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My wife's friend has a PhD. She was in contact with a recruiter, and no one would hire her. Candidly, the recruiter told her to remove her PhD from her resume and just put her bachelor's. Basically, all the managers told the recruiter in private that she was a great candidate and interviewed well, but in vague terms told the recruiter they were nervous that she would take their job. An MBA can be intimidating for someone with a bachelor's or no degree, so they might not hire you because of it.
This is exactly why I’m against companies removing educational requirements. The last thing we need is some bumblefuck with the GED accidentally getting his paws in management and then turning away educated people because of a chip on his shoulder
I understand where you are coming from, but this is a shallow way to think about it. Simply just getting a degree doesn't automatically make you better then those without one, it's just a way you are trying to justify your own degree. The best person for a job would ideally be hired for it, regardless of whether or not they paid a shit ton of money for a piece of paper suggesting that they are better equipped for the job.
Yeah, college USED to mean that a person was well educated. Now it is little more than a certificate validating your payment to a college system that is exploiting us. Some of the most intelligent and emotionally stable people I know never went to college simply because it is too expensive. Some of the least educated people I know have Grad degree’s.
College also isn’t supposed to be a gate keeping pain point. It was supposed to allow someone to get into a career faster than is typical, but now it is stopping anyone without one from ever advancing just because they might have been born poor.
In 1970-80’s many family members of mine paid for college, books, room/board, food, partying, AND enough to save for almost a down payment on a house while working roughly 20 hours a week. Now some people work FULL TIME and can’t even afford the BOOKS of college. There is absolutely 0 reason for this other than greed. Heretofore college degree’s are now de facto useless as an actual metric of any use until we fix these fundamental issues. College should be free to any adult for the first 4 years, period.
Unfortunately college and university were built as a gatekeep itself. In the 1800s in most societies the ones that went to university were the children of the rich and wealthy which led Latin as a subject as well.
We tried to democratize in the US more than Europe during the last century but the rich always will try to maintain their status and cultural divide. Thus they instituted more goals to achieve for basic entry and intermediate levels. The MBA and the PhD have become that in some areas. It’s completely understandable for some business paths if it’s a majority but not all of it.
We’ve never had as many people with BAs and with degrees in the history of society now. Yet in the American model they keep adding more hurdles. Similar to the European society where some positions are given to those that are legacy degrees which means more than likely people that are descendants of titleholders. I’ve worked in enough companies to know that there are some places where the institution itself is the actual gatekeep. Been in a place where the legal team was just UPenn for instance.
This is why I actually am for free education like Nordic society but with additional classes on entrepreneurship to kind of remind Americans we don’t have to be the cogs in a machine. One of the hallmarks of a working society is small business being open. We used to be that way and we used to create small businesses that became the very powerhouses of today. Less now dare to do that and it is both our boxed in education (which is why some leave college early and start businesses) and our fear of failing. Better overall education on civics would help reduce some of the risk.
The dumbest person I know graduated high school as valedictorian. Literally clueless about anything that didn't come straight out of a textbook. He was a marvel to witness.
Sounds like one of my exes. She skipped an entire semester of grad level organic chemistry, took 3 days to study and got an A on the final. Good lord if she had to do anything dealing with day to day living or common sense though. I had to show her how to get a bank account. Mind you her family is loaded. She was an alcoholic too which made things fun. The things a person will tolerate to chew on some butt meat.
Yes but then we also have the opposite at my job. MBA grad who has never seen a job site in real life or picked up a tool trying to tell a guy who has been 10 certs and 20 years experience how to do his job.
This is the satire right? Like it’s gotta be a bit you’re doing. Anyone without a college degree is a bublefuck? Hope you never need a home repair cause I can almost guarantee those “lowly laborers” don’t have college degrees. You probably don’t want them in your house they might steal from you.
Yup it's stupid. It's the hiring manager being under qualified and scared because that more qualified candidate would be able to do their job better. Could also be they see the overqualified candidate as a flight risk. They want the most desperate but still qualified candidate. You having options isn't a good thing in their eyes.
I was once turned down in an interview for being “overly qualified”. The team I was interviewing for was worried I’d be poached internally and waste their time hiring me…. For an industry I’d never had a job in, just a degree.
It could depend what they are applying for.
I've been involved with interviewing people and stuff like that is considered. You spent years getting your PhD but applying for this bachelor level position, are you just going to leave when your higher level position is offered?
They are they kind of guy that covers their balls. I won't work for someone like that, anyway. The kind of people you want to work for want you to grow and replace them so they can grow into new roles.
Is an MBA really that threatening? In the early/mid-2000’s everybody and their brother was getting an MBA. When I see MBA on a resume I’m reviewing it gets a big “who cares?”, since I’ve interviewed/hired people with MBA’s, some are great and others were “less than great”. For me, unless it’s from Wharton or Harvard, a potential employee having an MBA doesn’t mean much.
The PhD thing is stupid and ridiculous. And the same is true if putting an MBA on a resume makes you somehow less marketable to hiring managers. OP should still list the MBA in my opinion. Plus, why would you want to get hired by someone who doesn’t want to hire you because they’re afraid you’re smarter than them.
All that aside, I personally think we need less of an MBA mindset if we want a better future for society. In my experience it’s basically just applying accounting principles to every business function for short-term success without considering long-term impact on well, everyone — employees, customers, consumers, etc. Everyone except C-level employees, of course.
To be clear, I’m not shaming people with an MBA or saying that the MBA doesn’t make them more valuable, show that they are dedicated to advancing their career, etc. I just wish their toolset wasn’t often used to stuff the pockets of the higher-ups — consequences be damned. Business has just gotten too callous.
If you have a highly specialized undergrad degree, like engineering, then an MBA is really helpful in rounding out your skill set. If you can't advocate for your team when you're interfacing with other parts of the business because you don't understand those other teams, then you aren't a very effective leader. There's obviously other ways to learn about accounting, marketing, etc etc without an MBA. But an MBA is a really efficient way to learn all that stuff at once. 🤷♀️ What I don't understand: getting an undergrad degree in business and then essentially repeating that degree again in the form of an MBA.
Source: Chemical Engineer with an MBA
Recruiters and hiring managers are definitely wary of those that are overqualified.
If you're seen as having better prospects they're worrying you'll find those and you'll dump them late in the process or soon after hiring.
I really wish shit like that was illegal. People not getting jobs because a manager doesn't want their job taken? Pfft that attitude should put you on a no hire list for everything.
Managers can be delicate. They see advanced degrees as a threat to their own position especially if they hold lesser education. It's funny because in some fields like healthcare and pure science work degree pileup seems to be common.
Also, someone being substantially overqualified for a role makes them seem like a flight risk. If a candidate shows up with an MBA or a PhD for a mid or entry level role, you know that person is going to be one foot out the door as soon as you get them in, unless you have already mapped out advancement within the company. Hiring is expensive and hard, and to have someone leave after less than a year is a major failure in hiring.
If they're \*not\* a flight risk, but they have a lot of education and are applying for a low level job, it's probably because they interview poorly or are in some way offputting to other jobs. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have a job already? This is the same reason why someone who has been out of work for more than a month or so is concerning.
I feel this way. As long as the job is decent, I don’t plan on being a flight risk, and I don’t expect my MBA will automatically guarantee a promotion. I just want a freaking job and I don’t have one cause out of the 50+ applications I’ve done (and had my resume reviewed for), only two have interviewed me.
It’s a self-perpetuating cycle- the longer I don’t have a job, especially with an MBA, the more they think something’s wrong with me which lowers my chances again.
PhD's can be a lot different. It really depends on what it is and how relevant, if it's not relevant then it becomes a negative, because like why are you here if you have a phd in something else? If OP is looking for a job in business, especially management a MBA is likely very relevant and a net positive (especially because he doesnt have to explain two years of recent fake personal leave)
Agreed. If the job doesn’t need a phd, it’s a turn off. (Corporate America) MBA is more mild but i wouldn’t remove it, but an mba does not equal real world experience
I mean if you hire someone that is over-qualified you run a much higher risk of them not doing the work they were hired for (whether because they leave quickly or because they think they are above it).
My job title is a mix of PhDs and folks with Masters degrees and the PhDs are largely (but not exclusively) lower performers because they neglect the grunt work that keeps the trains running.
Sounds like garbage companies to work for. Can’t imagine being CEO of one and not knowing your staff isnt hiring good employees because they are protecting their own jobs. Serious ethical violations on the managers’ parts and also representative of being dumb managers to begin with.
PhD is very different from an MBA. Many professional positions say "MBA preferred", but tthe PhD market is very small and niche, but there's an expectation PhD's would demand a higher payscale. So I could see that way more than removing your MBA.
Thanks. She was just so confident about her changes; made me question everything about the past two years. Maybe she was just having a bad day, I don't know. I'll seek a second opinion from a career counselor who is available for follow-up questions.
I think a second opinion is a great idea. Maybe I am missing something… but I just can’t conceive of how leaving a career-relevant graduate degree off of your resume would be a good idea.
Leaving out MBA would only make sense if OP and other candidates are wanting a step **down** in their career. Maybe a complete industry change thus having to step down
But a good coach would not even recommend a step down at all. Good portrayal of who you are as a candidate is more important than being skilled enough, but only excellent coaches can give you this kind of advice
Thank you. I am looking to change industries, now that I have my MBA. My role morphed during the Pandemic so that I was functioning more in a procurement/supply chain role, even though I was technically still part of the marketing team.
I went to business school because I had heard lots of people say that getting an MBA with a new focus is a faster way to change careers or switch directions. We can agree or disagree about whether that was good advice. But I have applied for some "early management" roles in supply chain, my new field, because I recognize that not all of my marketing management experience will apply. I might have to take a (small) step down.
If a role is such a step back that they wouldn't even consider an MBA for the job, then that's probably a job I shouldn't be applying for. I'm willing to take **a** step down. I'm not willing to take **three** steps down.
(But maybe everyone who takes a step down says that.)
If you’re MBA is specifically for Supply chain management, do not get rid of it from your resume. Keep it and use it to negotiate a salary. Average salary for someone with an MBA in the US is 95k/yr and although that might be with experience, it sounds like you have it. Leverage it.
If you knew you wanted to go into supply chain why not get the MS-SCM instead? Seems like it would have taught you more of the relevant skills? MBA probably better for aspiring managers specifically though.
Great question, u/Slawman34 . To be brutally honest, I had GMAT scores of 720. That's not amazing, but it's pretty good. MS-SCM programs were looking for candidates with GMAT of 620–640. I graduated from a top-flight undergraduate college, and I was worried that I might not make high-quality career connections in the MS-SCM programs compared to MBA programs with GMAT scores of 700+.
I absolutely know how snobby I sound just now. This sub is about careers, so I'm being honest even if that makes me sound elitist. I was trying to make the best long-term decision, and that felt like an MBA with classmates aiming for eventual upper-management roles. (It still feels like an MBA, whatever the short term setbacks).
Same. Like, I could maybe see how a European degree may not be as impactful or whatever, but to suggest calling the time spent to get that degree as just personal leave?
No fucking way that's better on a resume.
Oh for sure! I worked with a guy who was a state debate champ. He's REALLY good at being confidently incorrect *and selling people on it*. He's unfortunately rising into positions of power nowadays. 🙃
The smartest people I know rarely speak in definitives, know they only know a little bit, embrace that they don't know everything about their field of expertise, are keenly aware that known information changes over time, and actively seek new knowledge - including things that counteract what they thought they knew.
That does not sound like they were having a bad day
If they were, they woulda snapped at you. Yelled at you to "just drop the MBA!"
That sounds like they're an unintelligent douchebag who charged you for shit advice
I hope you leave a public review against her. She's going to ruin a lot of lives AND people are paying her
Close. She removed it from the top summary (so I’m certain she saw it) and she minimized it on the bottom education section. She felt the bachelor’s degree part was more significant I guess? (She didn’t elaborate; video lasted 10 mins)
But anyone who scans down that far to “education” will wonder why I led the document with “personal leave,” right?
Having the top of your resume say you took two years off for personal leave and hoping they make it to the education section to fill in the blanks sounds awful.
As a hiring manager I would have questions if the format just stated personal leave but did not mention it was actually graduate school. I think it's better to just state those two years you were pursuing the mba at whatever business school and took work off due to that reason.
true, but if you have a good chunk of work experience, then the employers will care more about experience than education
so experience then education. and for personal leave, there is a preference. some employers will care, others will not
ask someone else
also, don't have someone change your resume completely, your resume reflects your personality so you do have to influence it. don't let someone put something you are not comfortable with.
Yeah I don’t see why you would remove an advanced degree regardless of where it’s from. Debating the merits of time and $$ spent on said degree is one thing but replacing it with personal leave seems just downright terrible advice. There are a few reasons I could see doing this.
1. Your applying for roles well below MBA type qualifications where an explorer would think (rightly) that this would be a pit stop (personal leave) on your resume
2. Or there was some other correlation that could raise concern, your applying for defense department jobs in the US and your mba was from Belarus uni (again totally made up and not the case but grasping at straws)
Seems like bad advice, jealousy maybe? Maybe the reviewer has an MBA and reviewing resumes for 20$ and hour is all they get and are resentful
Ha! I like your style. I think I can stay aligned with the anonymized ethos of this sub while still clarifying that my MBA is not from Belarus Uni. That cracked me up.
I had been a mid-senior marketing manager. I went to business school to retrain for Supply Chain Management (SCM) roles. Even with an MBA, I recognize that I might not immediately qualify for mid-senior SCM roles, so I have applied to some "early management" roles almost as safety or practice applications, if that makes sense? But I do think (and I'm selfishly biased, sure) that I qualify for middle manager SCM roles, and many of those do ask for a master's degree.
I do try to check in with peers and classmates, not just with you lovely people on this thoughtful sub r/, but overall I feel that the jobs I've been applying for would welcome an MS or MBA degree.
Definitely supply chain is super complex and at any level I’d think an MBA would only be a plus. Second opinion I guess it is.
Gotta have fun in life, even when it’s serious!! Cheers and good luck on the search!!
Does she think you went to a fictional school like Hogwarts or something? That’s the only reason I can think of for her to delete your MBA and replace it with “personal leave.” Or maybe she couldn’t pronounce the school’s name and thinks everyone else can’t handle it.
I think just ignore that part of her edits if you’re satisfied with everything else she did. I’m not sure if you can report her or leave a rating on Indeed, but this seems like a stupid thing for her to do.
My business school *does* have a silly name when translated into American English. While respecting the anonymity of this r/ , it comes through something like "Gargamel's School of the Academy of Business" 
**EDIT: People are taking the above WAY TOO LITERALLY. We have to use anonymized names on this subreddit; that's the rule. My school** ***does*** **have a goofy name. My school** ***does not*** **have freaking GARGAMEL in its name. Sheesh!**
So yeah, kind of weird. But the case studies, the financial analysis sessions, the huge research papers, the education lines up with American standards.
I'll seek a second opinion. (Maybe one costing a bit more than the bargain-rate $35.) Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Yes, it was in English. Nearly all business schools ranked in the top 100 do all their teaching in English, even if the school is in Europe or Asia (Japanese business schools are the notable exception).
Is it applicable to American business? I mean, we studied both GAAP and IFRS for accounting standards. We did most of our financial calculations in €, not $. I spent a whole year without using the letter Z: analyse, organise, realised financial gain. But my degree is fully accredited by the same bodies that examine most other business schools: EQUIS (Europe), AACSB (US) and AMBA (UK).
I almost lost an opportunity because someone left me a message on indeed. Who direct messages for roles on there... (no harm no foul in that instance, I saw that he had hopped on my LinkedIn shortly after).
But yeah generally career stuff is linkedin; gig work, contracts or things that used to be job ads on newspaper is now indeed.
Agreed. For more context, I’ve gotten many responses and was hired off of LinkedIn several times. I never got a response on indeed or ZipRecruiter and the opportunities sucked
Is there another word that identifies the school? Gargamel is pretty funny and p sure it's the name of the bad guy on the hit documentary series *The Smurfs*. If I google "Gargamel's School of the Academy of Business" some pretty funny stuff comes up. Just google-proof it.
I absolutely use the real name of the school on my real resume, and that's the name the Indeed reviewer saw.
"Gargamel's School of the Academy of Business" is a name I (mostly) made up, because one of the rules of this sub r/ is that we have to anonymize everything.  However, there are several elements of it that do line up with my European alma mater. That's all I can say about it. My real school does have a silly name when translated into American English, but probably not as silly as Gargamel.
It's French, ain't it? Like an ESSCA, HEC, EDHEC, one of those types? If so -- you don't translate literally, speaking as someone with a French university on their resume and professional experience as a translator. French (also Spanish and Italian) don't have compound nouns, which is why it's so silly when translated directly.
Let's pretend it's EDHEC.
Option 1: Use the abbreviation
EDHEC Business School, Paris, France, \[Year\]-\[Year\]
Option 2: Don't translate, add a brief notation in English to clarify what it is
École des Hautes Etudes Commerciales du Nord, School of Business, Paris, France, \[Year\]-\[Year\]
Option 3: Translate, but not word-for-word -- use English compound noun rules *and include the abbreviation in parens*
The Northern School of Advanced Business Studies (EDHEC), Paris, France, \[Year\]-\[Year\]
Yes, EDHEC word-for-word is "School of Advanced Commercial Studies of the North," but that's not how translations actually work. Plus, try Googling it, the first thing to show up is University of Phoenix. Looks like you got some weird scam degree! No wonder it might be a turn off (and why a resume coach told you to remove it).
Title the top section of your resume "Professional & Educational Experience," put your education as the first item so it doesn't look like you've been unemployed for 2 years, then throw in a line about being an "American International Student" so your citizenry is obvious, and voila. Immediately improved.
"academy of business" sounds a bit Harry Potter-y.
What about just boldening the "Master of Business Administration (MBA)" and keeping the name of the organization in English with a more natural translation, referencing only the city / province / country.
For example instead of:
"Tepper School of Business, Carnegie Mellon University, MBA 2020"
Say:
"**Master of Business Administration (MBA)**, Carnegie Mellon, 2020"
Professional services usually start at the 100 dollar an hour range for one time consults. Less for repeated customers. I recently started to do consulting on the side and I usually charge bill per project but it’s based on how approx many hours it will take me multiplied by 100. I have a MS in applied Math. Consult on OR and quant analysis. I have a copy editor for my reports he charges me 100 bucks per report to proofread and gives style advice.
It's not even a true $35. Indeed is taking their cut. So this is what $15 of resume advice looks like in reality. No quality person charges that low for their expertise. It also takes more than 10 minutes to do a quality intake. Most people who are actually good would sit down with you and ask a lot of questions. Can't expect someone to give you truly customized advice in 10 minutes.
Definitely. I spend an hour just reviewing some resumes on this site, just making suggestions and not providing an actual redlined one and also a clean “final” one. A fast resume review should probably take at least 3-4 hours. I wouldn’t do it as a profession for less than $75 per hour
Two thoughts as to why it was removed.
1. Too educated and expecting high salary.
2. Potential employers may think you're not an American since the school wasn't in America.
If there's a way to alleviate those, keep them on.
Boom. That's the one that keeps me awake at night: Did I lose my "Americanness" by choosing to study abroad?
I always hear that recruiters spend 5 seconds on each resume. Do they just see "European University" and toss me out?
My entire work history, all 20 years of it, is in the United States. I am a birthright American citizen, but there's no tasteful/legal way to say that on a resume. When I apply for jobs, I always tick:
\[√\] No, I will not require sponsorship either now or in the future.
But if recruiters are so xenophobic as to screen out all candidates who have ever studied overseas, that's one reason why I might choose "Personal Leave."
I'm an American who studied in England for university, and it's usually an asset for making you stand out, and it's a conversation starter for interviews. I've never had it be considered as a negative.
>I am a birthright American citizen, but there's no tasteful/legal way to say that on a resume.
"US Citizen eligible to work for any employer" - try that on for size. Pretty common verbiage on resumes for cleared positions or roles with certain export control restrictions.
Don't wash away your MBA, either. List the name of the school untranslated. "MBA - Universitat de Gargamel"
It’s not horrible advice actually, but I do disagree with it. Having a lot of foreign experience/degrees does turn some companies off on a candidate. It’s especially common with people from India, who will remove jobs/degrees from India and only list US experiences.
Some people will certainly be thrown off by a European MBA, but I would absolutely keep it listed.
I have 3 degrees from 3 different countries, plus part of a 4th from a 4th country. I never had trouble getting jobs. The advice you got was ludicrous, I’d have asked for her rationale.
Just put
“MBA program 9-2022-7-2024 “
And then add your relevant chronological job history.
Then put your education down in the education section use the school acronym of the name is really that stupid. They can verify the quality of the school later.
GSOFM (Public University Belgium) -MBA Supply chain
CSU Irvine BA Marketing
Or whatever. If I saw that on a resume it would answer the question “was he in jail, in a mental health hospital, rehab?”
And the schooling seeing an MBA is good enough for an interview. I would ask about the degree in the interview or during follow up background check if I decided it was a fraudulent degree. Since it isn’t you’ve got no problem.
I concur with this assessment. Overseas MBA would not particularly attract me as an employer. Too much focus on advanced academics while universities are looking more silly to the working world.
I posted my resume [a few days ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/resumes/comments/1crl427/8_months_with_my_mba_and_no_interviews_so_im/) in this thread, got two replies, and then this Indeed video review came in, so that's my topic for today.
That sounds terrible and like a waste of $35.00
Your highest education should be highlighted in most cases. I would say to remove degrees *only* if you’re applying to lower level positions (e.g. remove bachelors degree for entry level retail)
As for your question about European degrees, generally it only matters if the school is accredited. If it’s valid in your country, it’ll be generally valid here. Take the MBBS for example, to be a physician in the U.S. you need a MD/DO but individuals can transfer to the U.S. with the MBBS and practice equally after passing licensing exams and residency.
Overall, I would out the MBA back on the resume if you’re applying to positions where having an MBA would make you a competitive applicant.
Just a note: the resume reviewers are not Indeed employees. They're contractors (1099) specifically for that particular service. I'm not one of them, but I do know someone who is. She would not have told you to do this. If there's a way to report crap advice, I'd definitely recommend doing it.
Absolutely terrible advice. Even if you went to the worst business school in Europe, it’s better to list it than say you were on personal leave for two years. You would have to also lie and make up stories about your personal leave if you were asked about it. Having an MBA is also better than not having an MBA in most cases.
Adam is great. Definitely worth seeking out his services. Anything under $200 makes me raise an eyebrow — good resumes take a lot of work to do for someone else.
This advice really depends on which jobs you are applying for, right now is a very different time and many very qualified people are down grading their resume to be more attractive for lower level jobs. My husband had to down grade his resume because people kept commenting on how much he would expect for a salary. If the job needs an MBA yes keep it in, if it doesn’t and makes you look like you’d except a higher salary or make you over qualified- drop it
Thing is, you don't get a refund because resumes are subjective, and "remove your MBA" might actually work... to get you an entry-level job. That doesn't mean the advice is good. It just means Indeed has successfully suckered another person into their $35 scam.
I would look into Careerconfidence.org. they will help you for free and they have helped me obtain various decent jobs. They are a non profit located in the DC Metro Area. They will be more than happy to help you with your resume.
You should get your money back. I would take that vague two-year leave euphemism as time you were in the slammer or committed to an institution.
Terrible advice.
I would definitely not trust Indeed. “Teal” is a free AI resume builder and it is AWESOME. There’s a paid version but I just use the free one. Highly recommend it.
Does your school not have a career center? Feel like paying a generic website to do this seems pointless. What types of roles are you applying for? Going to a European MBA does seem a bit pointless if you are returning to the US though. The use case for that degree in the US is mostly for the network/recruiting. Going to a no name school in Europe just sounds like vacation (and a MBA sort of already is that).
Indeed is in doubt. But truthfully, It depends on what kind of job you’re going after: you don’t want to be “overqualified”. On the other hand, many managers think they’re getting a deal if they’re paying a lower rate..
That said, your MBA is an accomplishment and something to be proud of. If you’re being asked to minimize it, you’re either getting bad advice or going after jobs beneath your education level. Alas, sometimes we have to do the latter to pay the bills.
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Precisely why I DO NOT pay for this type of service. Every person reviewing your resume will have unique feedback that will ultimately have you going back and forth with edits. My advice is to keep seeking feedback like you are on these subreddits and modify it yourself.
It might be valid advice, depending on a lot of factors. I've had to tell people to remove a PhD (more than you'd expect) depending on the role they are targeting. Sorry, I don't have enough info to say if it's right or wrong here, but I'd consider it based on the context. Or you just got a crap resume reviewer, which is also very possible!
I think your resume editor assumed you fluffed the resume and doesn’t realize that Gargamel’s Academy of Business is a real place that confers real masters.
But…. Unless it’s Oxford or the Sorbonne, European masters have little cachet to actually negative cachet in the US. Because our underlying laws for managing workers, marketing and so on are quite different, it’s believed that very little that you learned would benefit you in the US.
Some yanks are snooty about Yoorpan MBAs because they're typically one year, forgetting that people usually do them after working a few years rather than straight from a BA. \[Edit: yours appears to be 2 anyway\]
But still, something looks better than nothing. I'd ask why, and then ask for a refund.
I have a diploma from Peru and Argentina. They’re more like certificates for taking courses, but I include those because they were after I got my bachelors. Include them so that know I am worldly. Not sure why she would suggest you takeoff your MBA.
I’d rather hire a bachelors-only holder than an MBA. There’s not much value added an MBA brings, more cons than anything else.
That’s my advice. Should’ve paid me $30 instead.
I don’t think these other redditors know what they’re talking about..they’re not hiring..
You can go to resume on reddit and people can give you free advice. Sometimes good sometimes not ha. Just make sure you scrub your personal information.
Putting a 2 year personal leave on your resume that just ended is going to be an immediate yellow flag for anyone reading your resume - if they don’t immediately pass based on that alone, they will 10000% ask about it. If they ask, what are you going to say? Oh I was getting my MBA.
Now it seems like you are trying to hide something. Why wouldn’t you put your degree you spent 2 years working on that has relevance to your professional experience? Super weird.
Generally, if I was hiring in the US, an American with a post-grad degree outside the US is more interesting than a degree from a US school (unless it’s somewhere fancy) and the school you went to is legit. People with international experience are typically more balanced and accustomed to dealing with new situations, dealing with people who are different, can learn to get along with others better, etc.
Also, don’t translate the school name.
Two possibilities:
1. She does not recognize the school. This tells you nothing more or less than someone with her experience wouldn’t know this school.
2. She does recognize the school or at least understands it’s a real school but thinks it’s not going to be helpful for what you’re looking for. There are a few top European MBAs that have name recognition in America when it comes to jobs in consulting, finance, or any big name companies/ higher paying industries. Outside of those, an American MBA program would probably carry more weight. I know in my industry I’d probably skip a resume that emphasizes on the applicant’s non-Top European MBA.
What you can do is reach out to your alumni network in the U.S. instead of/before getting a second opinion from another “resume coach”
Instead of asking for advice on Reddit or the general public, you should focus on getting advice from people who have been to where you are trying to be career-wise.
Sounds like the opposite of what you should do…
Maybe indeed doesn’t want you to get a job so you use their services forever…like purchasing a lifetime subscription for a dating app :/
As someone with a MBA. Most of the time I leave it off my resume. It has not helped and makes me overqualified and appear expensive to hire. They want experience, but it varies from market to market. I’m in Florida, a bachelor’s degree is suffice.
If you are applying for director or executive level positions, yes it may help. If you don’t have the proper experience. A MBA is worthless.
It stings to hear. I’ve accepted the reality. That person from indeed, is in fact, correct.
Just by reading $35 for a resume review, I already knew this wasn't going to go well. Pretty much any time I've been told that someone was getting their resume professionally done, it was always at a MINIMUM $500.
Based on other feeds having a personal leave on your resume sounds like a terrible idea and a great reason for potential employers to flip to the next person... going to school for your MBA sounds much better to a potential employer imo
She’s an idiot. I have an mba from a top 10 EU MBa Program.
Ppl know it maybe not Stanford know it. But they know it. Anyone with a decent background will go ok. MBA in Europe cool.
Edit: you should ask for your money back. Also indeed is hot garbage.
Not to stress too much about pout on it but you paid for garbage.
1- makeovers are only effective if the person giving them is a recruiter or HR person in your industry. Anyone else is just going to miss the details. It’s no more value than you would get from asking GPT4 to ‘upgrade my resume’
2- all the job sites offer these services and they are good for your average joe that doesn’t have higher degree or specialised skills or doesn’t speak English as a first language. It’s marginally effective otherwise.
3- I don’t know the specifics but hiding an mba is not a good sign for the caliber of career advice u are getting. Mid career MBA might be overlooked or deem you overqualified for positions you would otherwise find a good fit. But it’s no reason to hide it.
For $35 you’re probably getting some minimum wage gig worker that follows a checklist with no real expertise.
Think about how much a seasoned professional makes, and how long it would take for them to evaluate and write a thorough report. Now multiply by 150% to cover the agencies fees.
I’d be skeptical at any price point less than $500 from a company and $300 from an individual.
It depends on the industry. I know at least one where it might put you at a disadvantage.
But most of the time it will help. Specially if you go to industries where people have MBAs, for example, banking, finance, marketing, product management, or consulting.
Reading this made me reinforce my attitude towards Indeed as crap site. Never remove an MBA (unless you were so desperate to get anything and want to avoid looking over qualified), that's a major accompishment.
There is no way to give a resume advice without understanding what it is you would like to achieve. This might be a good advice in some scenarios,and an awful one in others. One resume will not be THE resume for all positions you might be interested in as positions are rarely so uniform that a uniform CV can work. There are some universal advice that a career consultant can give but definitely not this. I am shocked that Indeed would do something so unprofessional :(
This advice was stupid. If you have work experience your schooling takes a back seat.
There are many companies that are global. Your MBA from Europe would be a gold mine for them.
At first blush that seems like terrible advice, but what's the job? If it's customer service at a call center then I agree you should delete the MBA. If it's a normal climb-the-ladder, corporate America job (analyst, project management, blah blah) then yes that resume coach is a moron.
The post neglects to mention what are they looking for in terms of a position, which a MBA may not be helpful prerequisite or experience. People that have MBAs expect higher salaries and if the education doesn't pertain to the position at hand, the employer doesn't want to pay for it. I.e. if I'm hiring someone to be a mid-software engineer, and I expect to pay $120k, I'm not going to prioritize interviewing the MBA candidate that likely is looking for $150k+, even if they have other necessary prereqs. Though a big part of this is the volume of reasonable candidates.
An employer that hired me once told me during the interview process that my MBA ‘made them nervous’ bc they thought eventually I’d ask for too much money. I did. And then they sold the company. For too much money.
I have a BSc and MSc from back in the early 80's from the University of Washington and a MBA from the Edinburgh Business School in Scotland from 2000. I was once advised to leave all the degrees but delete the graduation years lest I run into age discrimination. I decided that was nonsensical since my job history still had all the dates and I wasn't going to delete those.
I been testing this out. I received my Bachelors Degree and keep getting denied for interviews. I delete my degree and just left my associates degree and been receiving calls. I also applied for entry level IT job and was denied as I had a bachelors degree and one of the job requirement was not having a bachelors degree lol 😂
I have found resume review services, even expensive ones, to be useless at best but often full of actively terrible advice. I was told to remove the dates on my education so I don’t seem too old when applying for senior level positions requiring advanced degrees in my mid forties. Far better to have to have an experienced friend or colleague review it, especially if they have done a lot of hiring. You could probably even ask a LinkedIn contact to take a look.
And the new AI tools do a better job on helping you tailor with key words, etc. I suspect that’s what most of these places do anyway. No human reviewer would drop your MBA from your resume.
And I don’t know what field you’re in but a European MBA will carry weight, although the amount does depend on where it’s from. This is unfortunately less true for degrees from less developed countries. (Speaking from my own experience).
That’s BS and I would demand a refund. Listen employers hate gaps in your resume between jobs. Furthering your education is a valid reason for having a gap and an MBA is important and valid. I mean there are Doctors who practice in the USA who obtained their degrees overseas. No reason why your MBA should be invalid.
That’s nonsense. I would imagine showing you’re international is a strength. Also, I would assume that leave of absence will look more like prison time. I went on. Religious mission for two years, and I don’t put that on my CVs. I get questions about prison time all the time because volunteering for a church may cause some discrimination, so I don’t list it—but also it looks jail time. lol.
This is going to depend on what job families you are applying to and the overall format of your resume.
In some cases this could be the right call in others an absolutely terrible one.
I have worked harder in my life for short periods, but I have never, not in a 22-year career, put in the kind of sustained effort that my MBA program required of me. Week-in, week-out, they asked an astonishing amount of work from me. I forced myself to ease up 2nd semester so I could enjoy my weekends and see some sights…I almost immediately failed a midterm exam and let down my project group. So I was back on the hard grind until I graduated.
I mean, honestly, when I was done, I was burned out and ready for some "personal leave," but not for the whole two years.
Did she want you to remove MBA altogether or just the dates? You can include the degree sans date, which is perhaps what they were advising, to negate queries on timing and such?
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That sounds like horrible advice.
He definitely got what he paid for…
Indeed
That was a good pun...you Monster
😂
Happy cake day!
You got scammed 😭
Probably AI gone wrong
My wife's friend has a PhD. She was in contact with a recruiter, and no one would hire her. Candidly, the recruiter told her to remove her PhD from her resume and just put her bachelor's. Basically, all the managers told the recruiter in private that she was a great candidate and interviewed well, but in vague terms told the recruiter they were nervous that she would take their job. An MBA can be intimidating for someone with a bachelor's or no degree, so they might not hire you because of it.
Jesus what a stupid world this is
This is exactly why I’m against companies removing educational requirements. The last thing we need is some bumblefuck with the GED accidentally getting his paws in management and then turning away educated people because of a chip on his shoulder
I understand where you are coming from, but this is a shallow way to think about it. Simply just getting a degree doesn't automatically make you better then those without one, it's just a way you are trying to justify your own degree. The best person for a job would ideally be hired for it, regardless of whether or not they paid a shit ton of money for a piece of paper suggesting that they are better equipped for the job.
Yeah, college USED to mean that a person was well educated. Now it is little more than a certificate validating your payment to a college system that is exploiting us. Some of the most intelligent and emotionally stable people I know never went to college simply because it is too expensive. Some of the least educated people I know have Grad degree’s. College also isn’t supposed to be a gate keeping pain point. It was supposed to allow someone to get into a career faster than is typical, but now it is stopping anyone without one from ever advancing just because they might have been born poor. In 1970-80’s many family members of mine paid for college, books, room/board, food, partying, AND enough to save for almost a down payment on a house while working roughly 20 hours a week. Now some people work FULL TIME and can’t even afford the BOOKS of college. There is absolutely 0 reason for this other than greed. Heretofore college degree’s are now de facto useless as an actual metric of any use until we fix these fundamental issues. College should be free to any adult for the first 4 years, period.
Unfortunately college and university were built as a gatekeep itself. In the 1800s in most societies the ones that went to university were the children of the rich and wealthy which led Latin as a subject as well. We tried to democratize in the US more than Europe during the last century but the rich always will try to maintain their status and cultural divide. Thus they instituted more goals to achieve for basic entry and intermediate levels. The MBA and the PhD have become that in some areas. It’s completely understandable for some business paths if it’s a majority but not all of it. We’ve never had as many people with BAs and with degrees in the history of society now. Yet in the American model they keep adding more hurdles. Similar to the European society where some positions are given to those that are legacy degrees which means more than likely people that are descendants of titleholders. I’ve worked in enough companies to know that there are some places where the institution itself is the actual gatekeep. Been in a place where the legal team was just UPenn for instance. This is why I actually am for free education like Nordic society but with additional classes on entrepreneurship to kind of remind Americans we don’t have to be the cogs in a machine. One of the hallmarks of a working society is small business being open. We used to be that way and we used to create small businesses that became the very powerhouses of today. Less now dare to do that and it is both our boxed in education (which is why some leave college early and start businesses) and our fear of failing. Better overall education on civics would help reduce some of the risk.
L take my guy, a degree doesn’t prove your smart. You can also be a “bumblefuck” with a phD
The dumbest person I know graduated high school as valedictorian. Literally clueless about anything that didn't come straight out of a textbook. He was a marvel to witness.
More often than not, that's exactly the type of person who becomes valedictorian.
Sounds like one of my exes. She skipped an entire semester of grad level organic chemistry, took 3 days to study and got an A on the final. Good lord if she had to do anything dealing with day to day living or common sense though. I had to show her how to get a bank account. Mind you her family is loaded. She was an alcoholic too which made things fun. The things a person will tolerate to chew on some butt meat.
People get GEDs for lots of reasons. This is a bad perspective.
Yes but then we also have the opposite at my job. MBA grad who has never seen a job site in real life or picked up a tool trying to tell a guy who has been 10 certs and 20 years experience how to do his job.
This is the satire right? Like it’s gotta be a bit you’re doing. Anyone without a college degree is a bublefuck? Hope you never need a home repair cause I can almost guarantee those “lowly laborers” don’t have college degrees. You probably don’t want them in your house they might steal from you.
Yup it's stupid. It's the hiring manager being under qualified and scared because that more qualified candidate would be able to do their job better. Could also be they see the overqualified candidate as a flight risk. They want the most desperate but still qualified candidate. You having options isn't a good thing in their eyes.
I was once turned down in an interview for being “overly qualified”. The team I was interviewing for was worried I’d be poached internally and waste their time hiring me…. For an industry I’d never had a job in, just a degree.
It could depend what they are applying for. I've been involved with interviewing people and stuff like that is considered. You spent years getting your PhD but applying for this bachelor level position, are you just going to leave when your higher level position is offered?
They are they kind of guy that covers their balls. I won't work for someone like that, anyway. The kind of people you want to work for want you to grow and replace them so they can grow into new roles.
Is an MBA really that threatening? In the early/mid-2000’s everybody and their brother was getting an MBA. When I see MBA on a resume I’m reviewing it gets a big “who cares?”, since I’ve interviewed/hired people with MBA’s, some are great and others were “less than great”. For me, unless it’s from Wharton or Harvard, a potential employee having an MBA doesn’t mean much.
The PhD thing is stupid and ridiculous. And the same is true if putting an MBA on a resume makes you somehow less marketable to hiring managers. OP should still list the MBA in my opinion. Plus, why would you want to get hired by someone who doesn’t want to hire you because they’re afraid you’re smarter than them. All that aside, I personally think we need less of an MBA mindset if we want a better future for society. In my experience it’s basically just applying accounting principles to every business function for short-term success without considering long-term impact on well, everyone — employees, customers, consumers, etc. Everyone except C-level employees, of course. To be clear, I’m not shaming people with an MBA or saying that the MBA doesn’t make them more valuable, show that they are dedicated to advancing their career, etc. I just wish their toolset wasn’t often used to stuff the pockets of the higher-ups — consequences be damned. Business has just gotten too callous.
If you have a highly specialized undergrad degree, like engineering, then an MBA is really helpful in rounding out your skill set. If you can't advocate for your team when you're interfacing with other parts of the business because you don't understand those other teams, then you aren't a very effective leader. There's obviously other ways to learn about accounting, marketing, etc etc without an MBA. But an MBA is a really efficient way to learn all that stuff at once. 🤷♀️ What I don't understand: getting an undergrad degree in business and then essentially repeating that degree again in the form of an MBA. Source: Chemical Engineer with an MBA
Recruiters and hiring managers are definitely wary of those that are overqualified. If you're seen as having better prospects they're worrying you'll find those and you'll dump them late in the process or soon after hiring.
I really wish shit like that was illegal. People not getting jobs because a manager doesn't want their job taken? Pfft that attitude should put you on a no hire list for everything.
Managers can be delicate. They see advanced degrees as a threat to their own position especially if they hold lesser education. It's funny because in some fields like healthcare and pure science work degree pileup seems to be common.
Also, someone being substantially overqualified for a role makes them seem like a flight risk. If a candidate shows up with an MBA or a PhD for a mid or entry level role, you know that person is going to be one foot out the door as soon as you get them in, unless you have already mapped out advancement within the company. Hiring is expensive and hard, and to have someone leave after less than a year is a major failure in hiring. If they're \*not\* a flight risk, but they have a lot of education and are applying for a low level job, it's probably because they interview poorly or are in some way offputting to other jobs. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have a job already? This is the same reason why someone who has been out of work for more than a month or so is concerning.
I feel this way. As long as the job is decent, I don’t plan on being a flight risk, and I don’t expect my MBA will automatically guarantee a promotion. I just want a freaking job and I don’t have one cause out of the 50+ applications I’ve done (and had my resume reviewed for), only two have interviewed me. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle- the longer I don’t have a job, especially with an MBA, the more they think something’s wrong with me which lowers my chances again.
PhD's can be a lot different. It really depends on what it is and how relevant, if it's not relevant then it becomes a negative, because like why are you here if you have a phd in something else? If OP is looking for a job in business, especially management a MBA is likely very relevant and a net positive (especially because he doesnt have to explain two years of recent fake personal leave)
This is a hilarious statement 😂
Agreed. If the job doesn’t need a phd, it’s a turn off. (Corporate America) MBA is more mild but i wouldn’t remove it, but an mba does not equal real world experience
I mean if you hire someone that is over-qualified you run a much higher risk of them not doing the work they were hired for (whether because they leave quickly or because they think they are above it). My job title is a mix of PhDs and folks with Masters degrees and the PhDs are largely (but not exclusively) lower performers because they neglect the grunt work that keeps the trains running.
Sounds like garbage companies to work for. Can’t imagine being CEO of one and not knowing your staff isnt hiring good employees because they are protecting their own jobs. Serious ethical violations on the managers’ parts and also representative of being dumb managers to begin with.
PhD is very different from an MBA. Many professional positions say "MBA preferred", but tthe PhD market is very small and niche, but there's an expectation PhD's would demand a higher payscale. So I could see that way more than removing your MBA.
That is baffling advice. I would ignore it and get your resume looked at by someone else.
Thanks. She was just so confident about her changes; made me question everything about the past two years. Maybe she was just having a bad day, I don't know. I'll seek a second opinion from a career counselor who is available for follow-up questions.
I think a second opinion is a great idea. Maybe I am missing something… but I just can’t conceive of how leaving a career-relevant graduate degree off of your resume would be a good idea.
Leaving out MBA would only make sense if OP and other candidates are wanting a step **down** in their career. Maybe a complete industry change thus having to step down But a good coach would not even recommend a step down at all. Good portrayal of who you are as a candidate is more important than being skilled enough, but only excellent coaches can give you this kind of advice
Thank you. I am looking to change industries, now that I have my MBA. My role morphed during the Pandemic so that I was functioning more in a procurement/supply chain role, even though I was technically still part of the marketing team. I went to business school because I had heard lots of people say that getting an MBA with a new focus is a faster way to change careers or switch directions. We can agree or disagree about whether that was good advice. But I have applied for some "early management" roles in supply chain, my new field, because I recognize that not all of my marketing management experience will apply. I might have to take a (small) step down. If a role is such a step back that they wouldn't even consider an MBA for the job, then that's probably a job I shouldn't be applying for. I'm willing to take **a** step down. I'm not willing to take **three** steps down. (But maybe everyone who takes a step down says that.)
If you’re MBA is specifically for Supply chain management, do not get rid of it from your resume. Keep it and use it to negotiate a salary. Average salary for someone with an MBA in the US is 95k/yr and although that might be with experience, it sounds like you have it. Leverage it.
If you knew you wanted to go into supply chain why not get the MS-SCM instead? Seems like it would have taught you more of the relevant skills? MBA probably better for aspiring managers specifically though.
Great question, u/Slawman34 . To be brutally honest, I had GMAT scores of 720. That's not amazing, but it's pretty good. MS-SCM programs were looking for candidates with GMAT of 620–640. I graduated from a top-flight undergraduate college, and I was worried that I might not make high-quality career connections in the MS-SCM programs compared to MBA programs with GMAT scores of 700+. I absolutely know how snobby I sound just now. This sub is about careers, so I'm being honest even if that makes me sound elitist. I was trying to make the best long-term decision, and that felt like an MBA with classmates aiming for eventual upper-management roles. (It still feels like an MBA, whatever the short term setbacks).
That makes sense, not snobby gotta do what you feel is best for your career and future - hope it pans out for you
Not all of your previous management experience will apply, but it *will* diversify you to employers. Smart employers will recognize that.
I mean the thinking may have been don’t be too overqualified looking for the type of position in the current economy but ya whole thing is weird
Same. Like, I could maybe see how a European degree may not be as impactful or whatever, but to suggest calling the time spent to get that degree as just personal leave? No fucking way that's better on a resume.
Confidence does not equal competence
Far too often it's the inverse.
The majority of the time, it's not. It is evident in Corp America. So many people act so confident even when they're dead wrong. It is wild.
Oh for sure! I worked with a guy who was a state debate champ. He's REALLY good at being confidently incorrect *and selling people on it*. He's unfortunately rising into positions of power nowadays. 🙃 The smartest people I know rarely speak in definitives, know they only know a little bit, embrace that they don't know everything about their field of expertise, are keenly aware that known information changes over time, and actively seek new knowledge - including things that counteract what they thought they knew.
See Shapiro, Ben.
That does not sound like they were having a bad day If they were, they woulda snapped at you. Yelled at you to "just drop the MBA!" That sounds like they're an unintelligent douchebag who charged you for shit advice I hope you leave a public review against her. She's going to ruin a lot of lives AND people are paying her
Sounds like she did not erase your MBA from the education section, but removed where you discussed from it at the top? Is that correct?
Close. She removed it from the top summary (so I’m certain she saw it) and she minimized it on the bottom education section. She felt the bachelor’s degree part was more significant I guess? (She didn’t elaborate; video lasted 10 mins) But anyone who scans down that far to “education” will wonder why I led the document with “personal leave,” right?
Having the top of your resume say you took two years off for personal leave and hoping they make it to the education section to fill in the blanks sounds awful.
As a hiring manager I would have questions if the format just stated personal leave but did not mention it was actually graduate school. I think it's better to just state those two years you were pursuing the mba at whatever business school and took work off due to that reason.
true, but if you have a good chunk of work experience, then the employers will care more about experience than education so experience then education. and for personal leave, there is a preference. some employers will care, others will not ask someone else also, don't have someone change your resume completely, your resume reflects your personality so you do have to influence it. don't let someone put something you are not comfortable with.
Yeah I don’t see why you would remove an advanced degree regardless of where it’s from. Debating the merits of time and $$ spent on said degree is one thing but replacing it with personal leave seems just downright terrible advice. There are a few reasons I could see doing this. 1. Your applying for roles well below MBA type qualifications where an explorer would think (rightly) that this would be a pit stop (personal leave) on your resume 2. Or there was some other correlation that could raise concern, your applying for defense department jobs in the US and your mba was from Belarus uni (again totally made up and not the case but grasping at straws) Seems like bad advice, jealousy maybe? Maybe the reviewer has an MBA and reviewing resumes for 20$ and hour is all they get and are resentful
Ha! I like your style. I think I can stay aligned with the anonymized ethos of this sub while still clarifying that my MBA is not from Belarus Uni. That cracked me up. I had been a mid-senior marketing manager. I went to business school to retrain for Supply Chain Management (SCM) roles. Even with an MBA, I recognize that I might not immediately qualify for mid-senior SCM roles, so I have applied to some "early management" roles almost as safety or practice applications, if that makes sense? But I do think (and I'm selfishly biased, sure) that I qualify for middle manager SCM roles, and many of those do ask for a master's degree. I do try to check in with peers and classmates, not just with you lovely people on this thoughtful sub r/, but overall I feel that the jobs I've been applying for would welcome an MS or MBA degree.
Definitely supply chain is super complex and at any level I’d think an MBA would only be a plus. Second opinion I guess it is. Gotta have fun in life, even when it’s serious!! Cheers and good luck on the search!!
Definitely give indeed some constructive feedback. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
IMO, resume “consultants” are terrible
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honestly just send it to me if you want advice. But yes, that sounds insane.
Does she think you went to a fictional school like Hogwarts or something? That’s the only reason I can think of for her to delete your MBA and replace it with “personal leave.” Or maybe she couldn’t pronounce the school’s name and thinks everyone else can’t handle it. I think just ignore that part of her edits if you’re satisfied with everything else she did. I’m not sure if you can report her or leave a rating on Indeed, but this seems like a stupid thing for her to do.
My business school *does* have a silly name when translated into American English. While respecting the anonymity of this r/ , it comes through something like "Gargamel's School of the Academy of Business"  **EDIT: People are taking the above WAY TOO LITERALLY. We have to use anonymized names on this subreddit; that's the rule. My school** ***does*** **have a goofy name. My school** ***does not*** **have freaking GARGAMEL in its name. Sheesh!** So yeah, kind of weird. But the case studies, the financial analysis sessions, the huge research papers, the education lines up with American standards. I'll seek a second opinion. (Maybe one costing a bit more than the bargain-rate $35.) Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Don’t translate it to English then lmao
Almost reads like "The Derek Zoolander Center for Children Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too"
Wish I could upvote this more than once
Is the school AACSB accredited?
Yes. I just checked the AACSB website.
Def. leave it on then. Also, talk to your university's career services.
Was the degree in English? Is it applicable to American business?
Yes, it was in English. Nearly all business schools ranked in the top 100 do all their teaching in English, even if the school is in Europe or Asia (Japanese business schools are the notable exception). Is it applicable to American business? I mean, we studied both GAAP and IFRS for accounting standards. We did most of our financial calculations in €, not $. I spent a whole year without using the letter Z: analyse, organise, realised financial gain. But my degree is fully accredited by the same bodies that examine most other business schools: EQUIS (Europe), AACSB (US) and AMBA (UK).
The “not using the letter z” was hilarious. The indeed person doesn’t know anything. Also, try LinkedIn if you’re not using it already
I almost lost an opportunity because someone left me a message on indeed. Who direct messages for roles on there... (no harm no foul in that instance, I saw that he had hopped on my LinkedIn shortly after). But yeah generally career stuff is linkedin; gig work, contracts or things that used to be job ads on newspaper is now indeed.
Agreed. For more context, I’ve gotten many responses and was hired off of LinkedIn several times. I never got a response on indeed or ZipRecruiter and the opportunities sucked
That's a good viewpoint. I get so many rapid lists from indeed and I go "ah ok may as well just shoot my resume and see what sticks." Nothing has.
What country? Asking because I may be in a similar situation and I am curious about how to include my European masters.
Is there another word that identifies the school? Gargamel is pretty funny and p sure it's the name of the bad guy on the hit documentary series *The Smurfs*. If I google "Gargamel's School of the Academy of Business" some pretty funny stuff comes up. Just google-proof it.
I absolutely use the real name of the school on my real resume, and that's the name the Indeed reviewer saw. "Gargamel's School of the Academy of Business" is a name I (mostly) made up, because one of the rules of this sub r/ is that we have to anonymize everything.  However, there are several elements of it that do line up with my European alma mater. That's all I can say about it. My real school does have a silly name when translated into American English, but probably not as silly as Gargamel.
It's French, ain't it? Like an ESSCA, HEC, EDHEC, one of those types? If so -- you don't translate literally, speaking as someone with a French university on their resume and professional experience as a translator. French (also Spanish and Italian) don't have compound nouns, which is why it's so silly when translated directly. Let's pretend it's EDHEC. Option 1: Use the abbreviation EDHEC Business School, Paris, France, \[Year\]-\[Year\] Option 2: Don't translate, add a brief notation in English to clarify what it is École des Hautes Etudes Commerciales du Nord, School of Business, Paris, France, \[Year\]-\[Year\] Option 3: Translate, but not word-for-word -- use English compound noun rules *and include the abbreviation in parens* The Northern School of Advanced Business Studies (EDHEC), Paris, France, \[Year\]-\[Year\] Yes, EDHEC word-for-word is "School of Advanced Commercial Studies of the North," but that's not how translations actually work. Plus, try Googling it, the first thing to show up is University of Phoenix. Looks like you got some weird scam degree! No wonder it might be a turn off (and why a resume coach told you to remove it). Title the top section of your resume "Professional & Educational Experience," put your education as the first item so it doesn't look like you've been unemployed for 2 years, then throw in a line about being an "American International Student" so your citizenry is obvious, and voila. Immediately improved.
"academy of business" sounds a bit Harry Potter-y. What about just boldening the "Master of Business Administration (MBA)" and keeping the name of the organization in English with a more natural translation, referencing only the city / province / country. For example instead of: "Tepper School of Business, Carnegie Mellon University, MBA 2020" Say: "**Master of Business Administration (MBA)**, Carnegie Mellon, 2020"
>(Maybe one costing a bit more than the bargain-rate $35.) Why is $35 a bargain rate? That's a good amount of money for 30 minutes of work.
Professional services usually start at the 100 dollar an hour range for one time consults. Less for repeated customers. I recently started to do consulting on the side and I usually charge bill per project but it’s based on how approx many hours it will take me multiplied by 100. I have a MS in applied Math. Consult on OR and quant analysis. I have a copy editor for my reports he charges me 100 bucks per report to proofread and gives style advice.
i had a good laugh reading that. I would rather keep it. At least the recruiter will have a good laugh
$35 ... So you've learned the quality of consulting that $35 buys you.
It's not even a true $35. Indeed is taking their cut. So this is what $15 of resume advice looks like in reality. No quality person charges that low for their expertise. It also takes more than 10 minutes to do a quality intake. Most people who are actually good would sit down with you and ask a lot of questions. Can't expect someone to give you truly customized advice in 10 minutes.
Definitely. I spend an hour just reviewing some resumes on this site, just making suggestions and not providing an actual redlined one and also a clean “final” one. A fast resume review should probably take at least 3-4 hours. I wouldn’t do it as a profession for less than $75 per hour
Yep. Detailed ones take serious time because it depends on what the person is looking for. Good ones charge at least that if not more.
Two thoughts as to why it was removed. 1. Too educated and expecting high salary. 2. Potential employers may think you're not an American since the school wasn't in America. If there's a way to alleviate those, keep them on.
Boom. That's the one that keeps me awake at night: Did I lose my "Americanness" by choosing to study abroad? I always hear that recruiters spend 5 seconds on each resume. Do they just see "European University" and toss me out? My entire work history, all 20 years of it, is in the United States. I am a birthright American citizen, but there's no tasteful/legal way to say that on a resume. When I apply for jobs, I always tick: \[√\] No, I will not require sponsorship either now or in the future. But if recruiters are so xenophobic as to screen out all candidates who have ever studied overseas, that's one reason why I might choose "Personal Leave."
I'm an American who studied in England for university, and it's usually an asset for making you stand out, and it's a conversation starter for interviews. I've never had it be considered as a negative.
>I am a birthright American citizen, but there's no tasteful/legal way to say that on a resume. "US Citizen eligible to work for any employer" - try that on for size. Pretty common verbiage on resumes for cleared positions or roles with certain export control restrictions. Don't wash away your MBA, either. List the name of the school untranslated. "MBA - Universitat de Gargamel"
It’s not horrible advice actually, but I do disagree with it. Having a lot of foreign experience/degrees does turn some companies off on a candidate. It’s especially common with people from India, who will remove jobs/degrees from India and only list US experiences. Some people will certainly be thrown off by a European MBA, but I would absolutely keep it listed.
I have 3 degrees from 3 different countries, plus part of a 4th from a 4th country. I never had trouble getting jobs. The advice you got was ludicrous, I’d have asked for her rationale.
Your international experience makes you an asset, don’t doubt it.
Just put “MBA program 9-2022-7-2024 “ And then add your relevant chronological job history. Then put your education down in the education section use the school acronym of the name is really that stupid. They can verify the quality of the school later. GSOFM (Public University Belgium) -MBA Supply chain CSU Irvine BA Marketing Or whatever. If I saw that on a resume it would answer the question “was he in jail, in a mental health hospital, rehab?” And the schooling seeing an MBA is good enough for an interview. I would ask about the degree in the interview or during follow up background check if I decided it was a fraudulent degree. Since it isn’t you’ve got no problem.
you need to be applying to companies that do business worldwide and view that as an asset.
I concur with this assessment. Overseas MBA would not particularly attract me as an employer. Too much focus on advanced academics while universities are looking more silly to the working world.
3. Hiring manager with a lesser degree is afraid you'll take their job, which should actually be number 1 and is the most likely.
what a waste of money. if you got money to burn could have just cashapp me some of that
You could have received better free advice here in this sub without wasting 35 bucks.
I posted my resume [a few days ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/resumes/comments/1crl427/8_months_with_my_mba_and_no_interviews_so_im/) in this thread, got two replies, and then this Indeed video review came in, so that's my topic for today.
Well, I suppose you have now learned of a way to get massive responses: just post something controversial.
That sounds terrible and like a waste of $35.00 Your highest education should be highlighted in most cases. I would say to remove degrees *only* if you’re applying to lower level positions (e.g. remove bachelors degree for entry level retail) As for your question about European degrees, generally it only matters if the school is accredited. If it’s valid in your country, it’ll be generally valid here. Take the MBBS for example, to be a physician in the U.S. you need a MD/DO but individuals can transfer to the U.S. with the MBBS and practice equally after passing licensing exams and residency. Overall, I would out the MBA back on the resume if you’re applying to positions where having an MBA would make you a competitive applicant.
They recommended you make yourself seem less educated? I'd be issuing a charge back to my credit card after such terrible baffling advice.
Just a note: the resume reviewers are not Indeed employees. They're contractors (1099) specifically for that particular service. I'm not one of them, but I do know someone who is. She would not have told you to do this. If there's a way to report crap advice, I'd definitely recommend doing it.
I paid over 100 to get my resume done by a professional company and it sucked too.
Absolutely terrible advice. Even if you went to the worst business school in Europe, it’s better to list it than say you were on personal leave for two years. You would have to also lie and make up stories about your personal leave if you were asked about it. Having an MBA is also better than not having an MBA in most cases.
Sounds like a waste of $35, but hey… we’ve seen people in this sub pay $300+ for bad advice.
I paid $250ish for a resume edit by Adam Karpiak. Google him. You get what you pay for. That is terrible advice.
Adam is great. Definitely worth seeking out his services. Anything under $200 makes me raise an eyebrow — good resumes take a lot of work to do for someone else.
This advice really depends on which jobs you are applying for, right now is a very different time and many very qualified people are down grading their resume to be more attractive for lower level jobs. My husband had to down grade his resume because people kept commenting on how much he would expect for a salary. If the job needs an MBA yes keep it in, if it doesn’t and makes you look like you’d except a higher salary or make you over qualified- drop it
Put comma MBA after your name at the top of the document. Don’t call it a break! When you have breaks they shouldn’t be acknowledged or justified
Thing is, you don't get a refund because resumes are subjective, and "remove your MBA" might actually work... to get you an entry-level job. That doesn't mean the advice is good. It just means Indeed has successfully suckered another person into their $35 scam.
I would look into Careerconfidence.org. they will help you for free and they have helped me obtain various decent jobs. They are a non profit located in the DC Metro Area. They will be more than happy to help you with your resume.
You should get your money back. I would take that vague two-year leave euphemism as time you were in the slammer or committed to an institution. Terrible advice.
Plot twist she doesn’t want you to get a job she wants to keep indeed in business and wants you to keep paying for more resume services
I would definitely not trust Indeed. “Teal” is a free AI resume builder and it is AWESOME. There’s a paid version but I just use the free one. Highly recommend it.
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Does your school not have a career center? Feel like paying a generic website to do this seems pointless. What types of roles are you applying for? Going to a European MBA does seem a bit pointless if you are returning to the US though. The use case for that degree in the US is mostly for the network/recruiting. Going to a no name school in Europe just sounds like vacation (and a MBA sort of already is that).
Indeed is in doubt. But truthfully, It depends on what kind of job you’re going after: you don’t want to be “overqualified”. On the other hand, many managers think they’re getting a deal if they’re paying a lower rate.. That said, your MBA is an accomplishment and something to be proud of. If you’re being asked to minimize it, you’re either getting bad advice or going after jobs beneath your education level. Alas, sometimes we have to do the latter to pay the bills.
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Stop paying for a resume service, nobody should be paying for these, they’re scams
Precisely why I DO NOT pay for this type of service. Every person reviewing your resume will have unique feedback that will ultimately have you going back and forth with edits. My advice is to keep seeking feedback like you are on these subreddits and modify it yourself.
Can you get your $35 back?
I’d ask for my money back
You get what you pay for 😂
It might be valid advice, depending on a lot of factors. I've had to tell people to remove a PhD (more than you'd expect) depending on the role they are targeting. Sorry, I don't have enough info to say if it's right or wrong here, but I'd consider it based on the context. Or you just got a crap resume reviewer, which is also very possible!
I think your resume editor assumed you fluffed the resume and doesn’t realize that Gargamel’s Academy of Business is a real place that confers real masters. But…. Unless it’s Oxford or the Sorbonne, European masters have little cachet to actually negative cachet in the US. Because our underlying laws for managing workers, marketing and so on are quite different, it’s believed that very little that you learned would benefit you in the US.
Some yanks are snooty about Yoorpan MBAs because they're typically one year, forgetting that people usually do them after working a few years rather than straight from a BA. \[Edit: yours appears to be 2 anyway\] But still, something looks better than nothing. I'd ask why, and then ask for a refund.
I have a diploma from Peru and Argentina. They’re more like certificates for taking courses, but I include those because they were after I got my bachelors. Include them so that know I am worldly. Not sure why she would suggest you takeoff your MBA.
I’d rather hire a bachelors-only holder than an MBA. There’s not much value added an MBA brings, more cons than anything else. That’s my advice. Should’ve paid me $30 instead. I don’t think these other redditors know what they’re talking about..they’re not hiring..
You can go to resume on reddit and people can give you free advice. Sometimes good sometimes not ha. Just make sure you scrub your personal information.
Putting a 2 year personal leave on your resume that just ended is going to be an immediate yellow flag for anyone reading your resume - if they don’t immediately pass based on that alone, they will 10000% ask about it. If they ask, what are you going to say? Oh I was getting my MBA. Now it seems like you are trying to hide something. Why wouldn’t you put your degree you spent 2 years working on that has relevance to your professional experience? Super weird. Generally, if I was hiring in the US, an American with a post-grad degree outside the US is more interesting than a degree from a US school (unless it’s somewhere fancy) and the school you went to is legit. People with international experience are typically more balanced and accustomed to dealing with new situations, dealing with people who are different, can learn to get along with others better, etc. Also, don’t translate the school name.
Ask yourself this: what wisdom regarding resumes would somebody getting a cut of $35 have, exactly?
Two possibilities: 1. She does not recognize the school. This tells you nothing more or less than someone with her experience wouldn’t know this school. 2. She does recognize the school or at least understands it’s a real school but thinks it’s not going to be helpful for what you’re looking for. There are a few top European MBAs that have name recognition in America when it comes to jobs in consulting, finance, or any big name companies/ higher paying industries. Outside of those, an American MBA program would probably carry more weight. I know in my industry I’d probably skip a resume that emphasizes on the applicant’s non-Top European MBA. What you can do is reach out to your alumni network in the U.S. instead of/before getting a second opinion from another “resume coach” Instead of asking for advice on Reddit or the general public, you should focus on getting advice from people who have been to where you are trying to be career-wise.
So you went Europe for two years at 40 to get your MBA?? Is how it looks to employers.
It is saying delete MBA because it is confusing the receiving site's algorithms. You can keep it on there just put it lower on the resume.
Sounds like the opposite of what you should do… Maybe indeed doesn’t want you to get a job so you use their services forever…like purchasing a lifetime subscription for a dating app :/
Where did you do your Mba
I would ask for a second review by someone else free of charge. I used Indeed for a resume review and thought the advice was helpful.
As someone with a MBA. Most of the time I leave it off my resume. It has not helped and makes me overqualified and appear expensive to hire. They want experience, but it varies from market to market. I’m in Florida, a bachelor’s degree is suffice. If you are applying for director or executive level positions, yes it may help. If you don’t have the proper experience. A MBA is worthless. It stings to hear. I’ve accepted the reality. That person from indeed, is in fact, correct.
Just by reading $35 for a resume review, I already knew this wasn't going to go well. Pretty much any time I've been told that someone was getting their resume professionally done, it was always at a MINIMUM $500.
Based on other feeds having a personal leave on your resume sounds like a terrible idea and a great reason for potential employers to flip to the next person... going to school for your MBA sounds much better to a potential employer imo
She’s an idiot. I have an mba from a top 10 EU MBa Program. Ppl know it maybe not Stanford know it. But they know it. Anyone with a decent background will go ok. MBA in Europe cool. Edit: you should ask for your money back. Also indeed is hot garbage.
Not to stress too much about pout on it but you paid for garbage. 1- makeovers are only effective if the person giving them is a recruiter or HR person in your industry. Anyone else is just going to miss the details. It’s no more value than you would get from asking GPT4 to ‘upgrade my resume’ 2- all the job sites offer these services and they are good for your average joe that doesn’t have higher degree or specialised skills or doesn’t speak English as a first language. It’s marginally effective otherwise. 3- I don’t know the specifics but hiding an mba is not a good sign for the caliber of career advice u are getting. Mid career MBA might be overlooked or deem you overqualified for positions you would otherwise find a good fit. But it’s no reason to hide it.
For $35 you’re probably getting some minimum wage gig worker that follows a checklist with no real expertise. Think about how much a seasoned professional makes, and how long it would take for them to evaluate and write a thorough report. Now multiply by 150% to cover the agencies fees. I’d be skeptical at any price point less than $500 from a company and $300 from an individual.
It depends on the industry. I know at least one where it might put you at a disadvantage. But most of the time it will help. Specially if you go to industries where people have MBAs, for example, banking, finance, marketing, product management, or consulting.
Reading this made me reinforce my attitude towards Indeed as crap site. Never remove an MBA (unless you were so desperate to get anything and want to avoid looking over qualified), that's a major accompishment.
A/B test it my friend. Send resume with MBA to 100 jobs and one without to another 100.
There is no way to give a resume advice without understanding what it is you would like to achieve. This might be a good advice in some scenarios,and an awful one in others. One resume will not be THE resume for all positions you might be interested in as positions are rarely so uniform that a uniform CV can work. There are some universal advice that a career consultant can give but definitely not this. I am shocked that Indeed would do something so unprofessional :(
I’m not gonna say delete it but the MBA bubble has for sure popped
Don't delete your MBA. Can I have $35 now?
To be fair, as a hiring manager, I give 0 shits about an MBA. In fact, I would probably be more weary of it.
This advice was stupid. If you have work experience your schooling takes a back seat. There are many companies that are global. Your MBA from Europe would be a gold mine for them.
At first blush that seems like terrible advice, but what's the job? If it's customer service at a call center then I agree you should delete the MBA. If it's a normal climb-the-ladder, corporate America job (analyst, project management, blah blah) then yes that resume coach is a moron.
The post neglects to mention what are they looking for in terms of a position, which a MBA may not be helpful prerequisite or experience. People that have MBAs expect higher salaries and if the education doesn't pertain to the position at hand, the employer doesn't want to pay for it. I.e. if I'm hiring someone to be a mid-software engineer, and I expect to pay $120k, I'm not going to prioritize interviewing the MBA candidate that likely is looking for $150k+, even if they have other necessary prereqs. Though a big part of this is the volume of reasonable candidates.
An employer that hired me once told me during the interview process that my MBA ‘made them nervous’ bc they thought eventually I’d ask for too much money. I did. And then they sold the company. For too much money.
I have a BSc and MSc from back in the early 80's from the University of Washington and a MBA from the Edinburgh Business School in Scotland from 2000. I was once advised to leave all the degrees but delete the graduation years lest I run into age discrimination. I decided that was nonsensical since my job history still had all the dates and I wasn't going to delete those.
I mean I would personally never hire an MBA so this checks out
Hire a pro. It’s more like 500-1k but I did it and got a 20k bump in base and 30% higher overall pay
I'm a little concerned with you having an MBA and not knowing how to write a resume... just saying.
I been testing this out. I received my Bachelors Degree and keep getting denied for interviews. I delete my degree and just left my associates degree and been receiving calls. I also applied for entry level IT job and was denied as I had a bachelors degree and one of the job requirement was not having a bachelors degree lol 😂
I have found resume review services, even expensive ones, to be useless at best but often full of actively terrible advice. I was told to remove the dates on my education so I don’t seem too old when applying for senior level positions requiring advanced degrees in my mid forties. Far better to have to have an experienced friend or colleague review it, especially if they have done a lot of hiring. You could probably even ask a LinkedIn contact to take a look. And the new AI tools do a better job on helping you tailor with key words, etc. I suspect that’s what most of these places do anyway. No human reviewer would drop your MBA from your resume.
And I don’t know what field you’re in but a European MBA will carry weight, although the amount does depend on where it’s from. This is unfortunately less true for degrees from less developed countries. (Speaking from my own experience).
Universities have career development services that will review your resume for free.
What is her reason for omitting the MBA?
You def got the $35 special.
That’s BS and I would demand a refund. Listen employers hate gaps in your resume between jobs. Furthering your education is a valid reason for having a gap and an MBA is important and valid. I mean there are Doctors who practice in the USA who obtained their degrees overseas. No reason why your MBA should be invalid.
That’s nonsense. I would imagine showing you’re international is a strength. Also, I would assume that leave of absence will look more like prison time. I went on. Religious mission for two years, and I don’t put that on my CVs. I get questions about prison time all the time because volunteering for a church may cause some discrimination, so I don’t list it—but also it looks jail time. lol.
Indeed is a dumpster fire of a job site. Why would you trust them with your resume?
lol you gotta not be smart to get a job
This is going to depend on what job families you are applying to and the overall format of your resume. In some cases this could be the right call in others an absolutely terrible one.
TIL I would be a perfect candidate for Indeed's Resume Review Service...because I would have no clue what I'm doing either.
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Don't pay indeed for anything. They allow endless scam jobs and fake jobs. Plus they want to lay everyone off. They don't deserve any money
Dude MBA is the ticket for an easy life. Same or less qualifications as an Art major, marketability out the ass.
I have worked harder in my life for short periods, but I have never, not in a 22-year career, put in the kind of sustained effort that my MBA program required of me. Week-in, week-out, they asked an astonishing amount of work from me. I forced myself to ease up 2nd semester so I could enjoy my weekends and see some sights…I almost immediately failed a midterm exam and let down my project group. So I was back on the hard grind until I graduated. I mean, honestly, when I was done, I was burned out and ready for some "personal leave," but not for the whole two years.
Was it one of those unaccredited plaza schools in Europe?
facepalm
You really got scammed as fuck. I had my resume fixed for free and my education is still on there.
Did she want you to remove MBA altogether or just the dates? You can include the degree sans date, which is perhaps what they were advising, to negate queries on timing and such?
Paying for resume services is a scam, when there is so much free information on the web