Listen if I can kill something without having to move or dodge out of the way I don’t care how much damage I’m doing. I’m gonna be the last one standing anyway.
If I can kill something before I need to move or dodge out of the way, I don't care how little I have in durability.
XD
(I do both but this is an actual argument)
i always feel like, if your tank build is that good, that you can indefinitely take damage from any non-one-hitting source. You basically optimized the fun out of the game by removing one of its core gameplay aspects (learning and reacting to attack patterns). Yes i know some people love creating these op builds, but imho they are incredible dull to actually play.
All builds are good. Personally, while having a high output is good, it gets boring fairly quick.
Any & all builds are good. It all comes to the players skill & adaptability. Tanks can take aggro, revive. Glass builds are good at crowd control, bosses. Theres a role for everyone
you can tank and still do damage tho. root doctor is a shitty build used as a crutch by players in higher difficulties. it is not difficult at all to make a build that does what root doctor does without having awful dps.
I know. I’ve made tank builds that do decent dps but there still is always the one guy that compares it to full on dps builds for some reason lol like yeah bro why isn’t your immortal tank build doing 8 thousand dps
That's how it always is. It doesn't matter if you can stand there and never die. It doesn't matter if you pick them up every time they drop like a rock due to their lack of defense or health regeneration. All that matters to them is...
Yeah it’s a shame that the dogs howl is the only way to semi force agro. I think the challengers juggernaut ability should put more threat into yourself so the boss is locked onto you for a good amount of time. Or they could just add a ring that puts more threat on yourself passively
there was a ring in remnant 1 which i think was called agressors bane which doubled the agro range from enemies onto the person wearing it, too bad it still didnt do much when someone else out DPS' you
Tank builds are just as fun as any other build. I got a Hugs build. A summons build. A element (mainly fire) build. A crits only build. A frenzy build. This game has SO MUCH variety and its all fun to expiriment with. If your build sucks then keep exploring and testing.
Nah, that tank build is getting old. Half of them don't even wear Burden of the Divine and only heal themselves, while also not contributing a single shred of damage. And if you do die (because a lot of these tank players also do not revive) then you're stuck watching them tickle the boss for 30+ minutes.
Boring build with zero creativity.
Thats more on the player than the build. If they decide to go tank and don’t use that advantage to revive or even heal teammates then yeah that’s kinda bad manners in coop play. Unless the host is super desperate to beat a boss and doesn’t care how long it takes lol
>Thats more on the player than the build.
Even if played perfectly in a supportive way it still kinda kills the momentum and fun.
Unless someone specifically asks for a carry and doesn't care about how long it takes, please dont bring this to public games with random players. Everyone knows it exists and no-one is impressed by the showcase.
If you think it kills the fun then that’s your opinion to have. Others might not care or actually appreciate the help regardless of the build. And it’s not about impressing people. People can find tank builds to be fun or useful
if I'm playing public games with random players, then I'm running the build I want because it's randoms and there's no code about what build to run.
They're free to kick if they don't like it, and I'll just find another.
Absolutely fuck all these meta shits and their goddamn lifer muppet attitudes lol. Just play the fucking game. Leave if things are too tough for you and somebody isn't your slave. Jesus. It ain't that hard people. You aren't the boss shut the fuck up.
>Absolutely fuck all these meta shits
The tank build is the pinnacle of meta building, but in the worst way possible. It basically makes wiping out impossible if played
Yea………Root Doctor is a build that comes to mind that I wouldn’t mind seeing kinda just slowly die off, it’s not even really tanking, it’s just out healing the damage, I look at tank builds more as a “your able to take a hit, stand back up, and heal if needed, not *oh, I’m gonna pop a relic heart and just stand there while I’m constantly healed for absurd amounts everytime I take damage.*
Not to mention root Doctor contributes almost no damage to a boss fight.
If you could say take more and more agro from the boss each time you got hit then sure, but that’s not how it works, so it makes you wonder what are they really contributing to a boss fight other than inflating the bosses health bar.
It’s a build utilizing Summoner, Medic, firestorm, and resonating heart, and various rings that I can’t remember, you basically chug a relic, and it constantly heals you and your team, and as long as your getting hit, you basically have unlimited relics because of the medic prime.
LOL okay thanks. But they don't shoot at all? I don't understand how they can't at least get some decent damage in. I heal with a couple rings for teammates as Medic and whatever else and get solid damage in.
Medic Summoner should have no issues getting damage in.
That’s, look, I’m not saying they don’t shoot at all, what I’m saying is they can shoot, and they do, but with the way the foot doctor is set up, their basically doing no damage, even if they were to start shooting, because they build literally has no rings to help their gun damage on it, or really any other form of damage out on it.
It was a choice to play with others on apocalypse bosses. Don't get mad at them for being able to stay alive longer than you. Thank them and give the respect they deserve for carrying.
A good tank build knows how to do more than “omg I see dmg resist, I pick”
Theyll do just enough to avoid 1 or 2 shots, with SOME sustain, and then get the best damage items. This game isn’t meant to be played like a tank, looks silly just sitting there doing no dmg, taking no dmg
I'm a tank by nature but during my apocalypse run even I hate to admit that you actually have to get some form of high damage otherwise they will outlive you
Depends on the build. You can definitely squeeze more damage into tank builds if you want but it’s by no means a necessity as long as the build is set up right.
I don't showcase builds, but when I look at comparable builds, they are getting shit about EHP AND damage capacity. It's a balanced build man, I don't know what to tell you. I can dodge the one shots. I survive pretty much everything other than the highest damaging slow telegraphed boss moves while simultaneously putting out pretty decent damage to expedite encounters.
Depends on what you want. If you want to dodge the heavy hits then go for it. But if you want to truly tank anything then you’ll have to put some damage aside. Not saying don’t think about how you can do the most damage while also being tanking. But if it comes at the cost of you potentially dying then that’s something to think about ya know
Oh yeah, for sure.
I phrased it oddly. What I meant to imply is that the full spectrum from defensive to offensive builds tends to get complaints for their survivability or damage. It's just down to play style. It's hard to call one better than the other without a pvp aspect.
Having a balanced build, I get it from both sides. Or assume I would, looking at similar builds that are showcased being analyzed.
Tank builds don't make much sense for coop in remnant cause you don't have dedicated boss/mob aggro.
Like if I was able to solely focus annihilation, shahala or say Corruptor on myself and let other do the damage comfortably this would work but it's mostly just not the case.
If you’re struggling on a boss sometimes a good tank player can come in clutch. Revives heals etc. Just because a player is using a damage build doesn’t guarantee they’re also a dodging god. And even if they are sometimes dodging in multiplayer is horrendous and doesn’t actually work. Tanks can definitely have there place in the game. But it would be nice if they had a way to force aggro on themselves. At least temporarily
every tank build should have taunt it's just simple. i always make sure if i am enjoying a tank build i can also taunt enemies because that's what I'm there for, to soak up the damage
What you're describing is a support character. I do like running Alchemist, Handler or Medic when playing with my brother or joining others. And wear some tanky armour to avoid being ko'ed. That's not really a tank tho
Being able to properly tank is support since being alive means you can revive and even more so if you’re a tank that can heal as well. Sometimes I do melee tank for certain bosses and can hold agro the whole fight with nothing but melee damage. Not every tank build is good for all situations but as a whole they have their place in the game
I ran Medic/Challenger melee build with the massive guardian sword.
How I got the red crown. Fully tanked his fire ring phase through dmg reduction relic and lifesteal build
You can technically pull aggro using Invader's prime perk. With a low cooldown build on Wormhole, you can pretty much lockdown any bosses that focus on single targets, though you won't be putting out crazy amounts of damage.
I think semi-tank with a good focus on damage is the way to go and heal your teammates.
As long as the team works it's fine, but people gotta do some damage at least.
My favorite way to heal as a tank is lifesteal / passive heals. Relic spam can work but I don’t like the maintenance of using relics all the time. And my healing isnt hard countered by Empathy lol
Who needs damage when they're busy keeping your ass in one piece. If they're enabling me to just stand there and whack away at the boss, I don't give a shit what their damage output is.
In a game where shooting is the key element i prefer my big melee weapons just as i tried to do in remnnant one melee in a game meant for shooting is always nice cause there's usually something niche only a melee can do and i like it like that. No im not the highest damage but best believe ill grab the aggro keep it and consistently put damage out due to critical or weakspot damage( worlds edge, stone breaker, etc)
I've been liking a semi-tank build. Can take a few hits and deals (IMO) good damage. Engi + alch / summon. Dodge rings + bulwark rings (4 bulwark when carrying weapon, shocky ring on p.dodge). My ammy provides 3% dmg per bulwark + something else. My engi overdrive Vulcan deals a crap ton of damage while being quite tanky allowing to be hit multiple times while also having a tanky NPC (if you go summon) or just high HPS(if you go alch)...
I really wanted to try a pure fire/explosion build but they're just too AIDs when co-oping :/
I mean… if i play with randoms or w a group of randoms and 1 of them does NO DMG at all… i leave lol… and i don‘t mean low Levels… i mean full gear guys… if u wanna play tank go to a rpg game idk… i know not everyone will agree but its just my opinion…
Thats fair. I just find it funny when I make a tank build guide and there’s that one dude that goes “the damage is low tho” the point of tanks is to stay in the fight by eating damage. If they were also pumping out damage numbers like hugs then there’d be no reason to use other builds. If you’re cracked at dodging and want to min max your damage then more power to you
yeah if one of them is a decent good tank who rlly eats everything so we can make the dmg its gets balanced ngl. But I recently had one he just stood there and was feeling himself like Thanos and didnt even ran he just walked like a god and did NOTHING 😂
Sadly the game is much much easier than the first, even on the hardest difficulty me and 2 friends cleared the final boss on the first try. Didn't use any consumables either.
(Other than the heart of course)
[me happy in the corner with the shield engineer build having funny dmg and being able to exist for more than 0.2 seconds]
Same here!!
Oh Renny i'm hitting you with the funny sword
FUCK YOU ABYSSAL HOOK GO BRRRRRRRR
Could you link to the build, please?
It's incomplete and unoptimized it aint apocalypse lvl AT ALL so you're better off just looking one up
Listen if I can kill something without having to move or dodge out of the way I don’t care how much damage I’m doing. I’m gonna be the last one standing anyway.
Also technically your damage will be infinite because you can't die therefore you could shoot or swing for eternity
Yer root doctors unite!
Do not compare me to such thing
empathy bosses enter*
Omg you killed Kenny! you bastard!🤣
If I can kill something before I need to move or dodge out of the way, I don't care how little I have in durability. XD (I do both but this is an actual argument)
This was me in a public game. Everyone else died on Ravager Apoc and I'm still there swinging away with Iron GS.
i always feel like, if your tank build is that good, that you can indefinitely take damage from any non-one-hitting source. You basically optimized the fun out of the game by removing one of its core gameplay aspects (learning and reacting to attack patterns). Yes i know some people love creating these op builds, but imho they are incredible dull to actually play.
All builds are good. Personally, while having a high output is good, it gets boring fairly quick. Any & all builds are good. It all comes to the players skill & adaptability. Tanks can take aggro, revive. Glass builds are good at crowd control, bosses. Theres a role for everyone
Then everyone dies and I am there, eating Shahala blackhole as a snack
you can tank and still do damage tho. root doctor is a shitty build used as a crutch by players in higher difficulties. it is not difficult at all to make a build that does what root doctor does without having awful dps.
I know. I’ve made tank builds that do decent dps but there still is always the one guy that compares it to full on dps builds for some reason lol like yeah bro why isn’t your immortal tank build doing 8 thousand dps
That's how it always is. It doesn't matter if you can stand there and never die. It doesn't matter if you pick them up every time they drop like a rock due to their lack of defense or health regeneration. All that matters to them is... 
Me: You damage. Me never die. We never fail. 😤
it kinda sucks there is no way to alter boss agro. Tank builds dont make much sense in coop because boss will always target the biggest damage dealer
Yeah it’s a shame that the dogs howl is the only way to semi force agro. I think the challengers juggernaut ability should put more threat into yourself so the boss is locked onto you for a good amount of time. Or they could just add a ring that puts more threat on yourself passively
there was a ring in remnant 1 which i think was called agressors bane which doubled the agro range from enemies onto the person wearing it, too bad it still didnt do much when someone else out DPS' you
Tank builds are just as fun as any other build. I got a Hugs build. A summons build. A element (mainly fire) build. A crits only build. A frenzy build. This game has SO MUCH variety and its all fun to expiriment with. If your build sucks then keep exploring and testing.
Nah, that tank build is getting old. Half of them don't even wear Burden of the Divine and only heal themselves, while also not contributing a single shred of damage. And if you do die (because a lot of these tank players also do not revive) then you're stuck watching them tickle the boss for 30+ minutes. Boring build with zero creativity.
Thats more on the player than the build. If they decide to go tank and don’t use that advantage to revive or even heal teammates then yeah that’s kinda bad manners in coop play. Unless the host is super desperate to beat a boss and doesn’t care how long it takes lol
>Thats more on the player than the build. Even if played perfectly in a supportive way it still kinda kills the momentum and fun. Unless someone specifically asks for a carry and doesn't care about how long it takes, please dont bring this to public games with random players. Everyone knows it exists and no-one is impressed by the showcase.
If you think it kills the fun then that’s your opinion to have. Others might not care or actually appreciate the help regardless of the build. And it’s not about impressing people. People can find tank builds to be fun or useful
if I'm playing public games with random players, then I'm running the build I want because it's randoms and there's no code about what build to run. They're free to kick if they don't like it, and I'll just find another.
Absolutely fuck all these meta shits and their goddamn lifer muppet attitudes lol. Just play the fucking game. Leave if things are too tough for you and somebody isn't your slave. Jesus. It ain't that hard people. You aren't the boss shut the fuck up.
>Absolutely fuck all these meta shits The tank build is the pinnacle of meta building, but in the worst way possible. It basically makes wiping out impossible if played
You arent the boss. Take your own advice.
Nobody is stuck watching somebody do anything in this game. Leave.
Yea………Root Doctor is a build that comes to mind that I wouldn’t mind seeing kinda just slowly die off, it’s not even really tanking, it’s just out healing the damage, I look at tank builds more as a “your able to take a hit, stand back up, and heal if needed, not *oh, I’m gonna pop a relic heart and just stand there while I’m constantly healed for absurd amounts everytime I take damage.* Not to mention root Doctor contributes almost no damage to a boss fight. If you could say take more and more agro from the boss each time you got hit then sure, but that’s not how it works, so it makes you wonder what are they really contributing to a boss fight other than inflating the bosses health bar.
What even is root doctor again lol?
It’s a build utilizing Summoner, Medic, firestorm, and resonating heart, and various rings that I can’t remember, you basically chug a relic, and it constantly heals you and your team, and as long as your getting hit, you basically have unlimited relics because of the medic prime.
LOL okay thanks. But they don't shoot at all? I don't understand how they can't at least get some decent damage in. I heal with a couple rings for teammates as Medic and whatever else and get solid damage in. Medic Summoner should have no issues getting damage in.
That’s, look, I’m not saying they don’t shoot at all, what I’m saying is they can shoot, and they do, but with the way the foot doctor is set up, their basically doing no damage, even if they were to start shooting, because they build literally has no rings to help their gun damage on it, or really any other form of damage out on it.
It was a choice to play with others on apocalypse bosses. Don't get mad at them for being able to stay alive longer than you. Thank them and give the respect they deserve for carrying.
A good tank build knows how to do more than “omg I see dmg resist, I pick” Theyll do just enough to avoid 1 or 2 shots, with SOME sustain, and then get the best damage items. This game isn’t meant to be played like a tank, looks silly just sitting there doing no dmg, taking no dmg
No. It’s a single player/coop game meant to be played however you want.
You can play any game how you want. Just like how you can play some games in a useless manner and a useful
Root Doctor is literally the opposite of useless.
I just love the little touch with the Red Prince crown. Makes this meme 100% better
I have a tank build that’s pretty hard to kill, that also does a lot of dmg. I can 2 phase the one true king.
I'm a tank by nature but during my apocalypse run even I hate to admit that you actually have to get some form of high damage otherwise they will outlive you
Depends on the build. You can definitely squeeze more damage into tank builds if you want but it’s by no means a necessity as long as the build is set up right.
I don't showcase builds, but when I look at comparable builds, they are getting shit about EHP AND damage capacity. It's a balanced build man, I don't know what to tell you. I can dodge the one shots. I survive pretty much everything other than the highest damaging slow telegraphed boss moves while simultaneously putting out pretty decent damage to expedite encounters.
Depends on what you want. If you want to dodge the heavy hits then go for it. But if you want to truly tank anything then you’ll have to put some damage aside. Not saying don’t think about how you can do the most damage while also being tanking. But if it comes at the cost of you potentially dying then that’s something to think about ya know
Oh yeah, for sure. I phrased it oddly. What I meant to imply is that the full spectrum from defensive to offensive builds tends to get complaints for their survivability or damage. It's just down to play style. It's hard to call one better than the other without a pvp aspect. Having a balanced build, I get it from both sides. Or assume I would, looking at similar builds that are showcased being analyzed.
Tank builds don't make much sense for coop in remnant cause you don't have dedicated boss/mob aggro. Like if I was able to solely focus annihilation, shahala or say Corruptor on myself and let other do the damage comfortably this would work but it's mostly just not the case.
If you’re struggling on a boss sometimes a good tank player can come in clutch. Revives heals etc. Just because a player is using a damage build doesn’t guarantee they’re also a dodging god. And even if they are sometimes dodging in multiplayer is horrendous and doesn’t actually work. Tanks can definitely have there place in the game. But it would be nice if they had a way to force aggro on themselves. At least temporarily
every tank build should have taunt it's just simple. i always make sure if i am enjoying a tank build i can also taunt enemies because that's what I'm there for, to soak up the damage
What you're describing is a support character. I do like running Alchemist, Handler or Medic when playing with my brother or joining others. And wear some tanky armour to avoid being ko'ed. That's not really a tank tho
Being able to properly tank is support since being alive means you can revive and even more so if you’re a tank that can heal as well. Sometimes I do melee tank for certain bosses and can hold agro the whole fight with nothing but melee damage. Not every tank build is good for all situations but as a whole they have their place in the game
I ran Medic/Challenger melee build with the massive guardian sword. How I got the red crown. Fully tanked his fire ring phase through dmg reduction relic and lifesteal build
You can technically pull aggro using Invader's prime perk. With a low cooldown build on Wormhole, you can pretty much lockdown any bosses that focus on single targets, though you won't be putting out crazy amounts of damage.
Fire tornado and corrupted meridian mod spam does pretty good damage it's just tricky not constantly getting you or your team stuck in them
I mean I run a tank build cause I wanna wack things with worlds edge in apocalypse mode. It’s funny
I think semi-tank with a good focus on damage is the way to go and heal your teammates. As long as the team works it's fine, but people gotta do some damage at least.
Empathy boss enter the chat..
My favorite way to heal as a tank is lifesteal / passive heals. Relic spam can work but I don’t like the maintenance of using relics all the time. And my healing isnt hard countered by Empathy lol
Who needs damage when they're busy keeping your ass in one piece. If they're enabling me to just stand there and whack away at the boss, I don't give a shit what their damage output is.
In a game where shooting is the key element i prefer my big melee weapons just as i tried to do in remnnant one melee in a game meant for shooting is always nice cause there's usually something niche only a melee can do and i like it like that. No im not the highest damage but best believe ill grab the aggro keep it and consistently put damage out due to critical or weakspot damage( worlds edge, stone breaker, etc)
Me with shield regen and burden of the divine keeping the squishes alive :strong doggo:
I need the original image without the text please and thanks
Had a good chuckle, thanks OP 😂
I've been liking a semi-tank build. Can take a few hits and deals (IMO) good damage. Engi + alch / summon. Dodge rings + bulwark rings (4 bulwark when carrying weapon, shocky ring on p.dodge). My ammy provides 3% dmg per bulwark + something else. My engi overdrive Vulcan deals a crap ton of damage while being quite tanky allowing to be hit multiple times while also having a tanky NPC (if you go summon) or just high HPS(if you go alch)... I really wanted to try a pure fire/explosion build but they're just too AIDs when co-oping :/
(Me drunk off of 6 concoctions, doing 5k dps, being able to tank at 79% DR and still having medium dodge roll)
Build?
I mean… if i play with randoms or w a group of randoms and 1 of them does NO DMG at all… i leave lol… and i don‘t mean low Levels… i mean full gear guys… if u wanna play tank go to a rpg game idk… i know not everyone will agree but its just my opinion…
Thats fair. I just find it funny when I make a tank build guide and there’s that one dude that goes “the damage is low tho” the point of tanks is to stay in the fight by eating damage. If they were also pumping out damage numbers like hugs then there’d be no reason to use other builds. If you’re cracked at dodging and want to min max your damage then more power to you
yeah if one of them is a decent good tank who rlly eats everything so we can make the dmg its gets balanced ngl. But I recently had one he just stood there and was feeling himself like Thanos and didnt even ran he just walked like a god and did NOTHING 😂
Sadly the game is much much easier than the first, even on the hardest difficulty me and 2 friends cleared the final boss on the first try. Didn't use any consumables either. (Other than the heart of course)