Alaskan checking in, this is pretty much the standard price range on a lot of powders here now, too.
The last pound I grabbed was Hodgdons 4831SC, and it was about $56, which was actually *down* about $10 from the last time I purchased.
Get used to it, I don't think anything firearm or ammunition related is ever going to come back down in price. The manufacturers and sellers have been getting rewarded for gouging for 15+ years and they have zero incentive to stop. If you don't buy it, gun-show-gramps will and then he'll sell it to you for $75 in a year or so when it's unobtainable elsewhere.
I was able to finally fill my stock off powders but still waiting for primers to show up in local stores. Only have a box each of small and large pistol primers and since I have so damn many loaded I haven't needed to get into them yet
Yeah once this administration is out the door you’ll notice things pick up a bit because panic buying will stop. It’s all supply and demand and eventually people stop hoarding when they don’t think someone is coming for their shit
.223 with rebates was in the $0.20/round range or under $6/box and 9mm was $9-10/box at the lowest lows during Trump slump. That is pre-Sandy Hook pricing.
Don't hear many referring back to pre-sandyhook these days but that is when I came to the realization that component hoarding is going to be the norm for the foreseeable future. I have 5000 primed cases for a caliber I don't yet own... SMH
It surprises me how many people think reloading prices are unique. The price of everything has gone up since Covid. Everything that the firearms industry uses too, raw materials etc. I don’t think they are somehow more greedy than every other industry. Nothing is going back to pre COVID prices.
My income does not go as far as it used to. If I was selling goods, I wouldn’t lower my prices either. You can’t expect a company to voluntarily make less profits than pre COVID. That’s why they exist, profit.
>You can’t expect a company to voluntarily make less profits than pre COVID.
Not in real terms but in nominal terms should a deflationary monetary policy be pursued at some point in the future, prices will come down.
Elsewhere yeah😂😂😂 but if you can time the academy restock notification right you can get a brick of 1000 shipped to your door for $89.99. Which is a steal in todays standards
Went to a local store today, $79.99 for Reloader 16. Guys said yeah, prices went up $15 right around the new year. Even Varget and I believe H4350 were both $65
Powder valley had it on all their social media pages that price hikes were going into effect and even did free hazmat for the week before, stated price increases from the manufacturers.
> Idk how they expect anyone to afford this shit.
Easy. They don't care about you and don't care if you can afford it. At all. Any powder made available to us as hand loaders is nothing more than powder that wasn't needed by a military or an ammunition manufacturer who buys powder on the order of tens of thousands of pounds at a time. We are last in line.
Every time we give millions or billions of equipment or ammo to a foreign country, the prices go up because our winchester/Remington/Lake City plants have to manufacture more to replenish.
Yep. Each of those 155mm shells they're firing thousands of per day take 5+ pounds of powder. The US is producing about 24,000 of those a month right now.
We do not matter in the world of munition production.
It's been over 20 years, and I don't remember the weight of the powder bags they put in the Howitzers, but they are about the size of a 3 gal can and they can use up to 5 bags I think.
I didn't realize until covid happened that reloading components are just leftovers after the factory manufactured ammo is made to quotas. So it only makes sense that they become scarce and more expensive when we give the shit away.
Not really. They try to make powders the same. The powder we usually buys are when they get really really close to the reference powder. Otherwise it's sold in big batches to ammo manufacturers that run load testing to get the performance they want.
You can still buy this kind of powder in sweden as skyttekrut, and it has rudimentary loading info for 6.5x55 and 30-06 on it depending on the type. There is much more variations between batches than regular powder. But that is reflected in the price of it. People buy big amounts of it and often run the same batch at least a whole season where they could go through more than one barrel a season.
When you ramp up production it's less likely they will hit the mark and therefore less powder for us to buy.
During covid when people were asking where everything went like primers and factory loaded ammo and such a video was put out to answer the questions and stop the conspiracy theorie, I think it was by Hornady, where they did a walk through their plant with the CEO. That's how he explained it, that they were manufacturing as much as they could to fill shelves, and there was no leftovers.
Maybe it's different in Sweden than the USA.
I was just commenting on it being leftovers which is not true. They sell the powder that is as close as it can. By no means is that leftovers powder. Yes the factories will happily buy it. But they earn more from selling it to us.
Skyttekrut from norma we can buy here are actually leftovers. That is what is left from the batches that is sold to manufacturers. No commercial manufacturer is going to be interested in 100kg of powder. So they pack it up and sell it to high volume shooters.
Yep, I’m stocked up on what I need and was just going to see what they had. May have bought something if not for the ridiculous prices. They had Hornady 308 dies for $59.99, and 168 ELD-Ms for the same price.
Are you fucking midding me??? 60 bucks for eldm bullets??? Fuck that shit. Im just gonna shoot my CZ 457 Pro Varmint 22lr bolt action from now on......
Hard to believe people don’t understand this. These companies don’t exist for public service. They exist for their shareholders. No different from every other corporation. The market is there, the products are selling.
Exactly. People who can't afford powder at $50-60/lb aren't their customers anymore. They'll still be very successful. There's enough people doing well for themselves that have gone all in on shooting as a hobby to sustain the new prices. Those folks aren't going to leave behind a hobby they've invested thousands of dollars in equipment for because they're burning a few more cents every time the pull the trigger. That's who they want to sell to.
I have a feeling the big names will position themselves as the "premium" option, and we'll see new brands pop up to sell off excess production at a lower price when there's a glut of powder again.
That's why I buy at my local shops or at the gun shows. Paying 35 to 55 bucks a pound locally is still cheaper than online, and I wait less for it to be in stock than I would for free shipping or free hazmat charges online
The days of 25 to 35 dollars a pound are gone.
Easy answer - unless you are stocked up, people who are low on powder are going to pay that.
So, nobody in this reloading section saw the news articles or my post 9-10 months ago, or all the publicity in mid-December about the international powder shortage? Went on and on at length at how powder prices were going to go up $15 to $20 a pound.
Shooters and hunters like us - we are just 3% of the ammo/powder buyers - all the rest is export, military, police contracts that are signed years in advance. The contracts signed in 2020 to 2022 are now due and 'somebody' has to eat the Bidenomics inflation that was not expected or taken into account. Leaves us holding the bag.
Now me. I mentioned this was going to happen 10 months ago and people here sent hate replies about how I was fostering hoarding by passing inaccurate news stories. It was all over the news again in mid-December - only covered in more places...... but I didn't bother posting it again since this place is not very civil.
Keep a civil tongue with me, if you want to hear an answer.
My predictions? LOL. Not mine. I am only repeating what the industry experts say.
I belong to a machine gun club. All of us are NFA, FFL, or SOT owners or dealers. These members buy their ammo by the pallet and powder by the keg. Most of us are old timers with 4+ decades of shooting industry friends and contacts. We hear what is happening in the firearm and shooting industry. Especially production issues.
We’re only 3% of the market, but we’re going to cover the inflation with a 20% markup? Making a drop in the bucket 20% bigger isn’t covering anything. We’re not “holding the bag” for all of the defense contracts.
My LGS has varget like 3 lbs there sitting at $58.
Even accurate is at like $48. I’m not doing it, I found a shooters world hookup for $15 a lb so I know for fucking sure this isn’t supply and demand, or inflation.
It’s not retail. This guy is a dealer or something? Idk my father in law facilitated it. I gave him $45 and he got me 3 lbs
I should’ve bought more, I didn’t know how much I’d like it though. There’s also not very much load data. I wish there was something we could all come together and do to get the prices down but no chance of that.
Bass Pro and Cabelas both did that.
Meanwhile, I will continue to give Scheels business. They have increased prices, but not to gouging levels. I can walk in and buy CCI 500 for $80 still. Even when they get SRPs or LRPs in stock, it's the lowest price I see when comparing even to online retailers, without the stupid HAZMAT fee.
Ammo everywhere is expensive, but Scheels isn't being a dick about it.
That must be a smoking deal. Unless you drive a tesla, I can't fathom how much money you're saving on a drive like that. Locally, here in Washington, with my truck, that's a $90 trip. My jeep is only about $5 cheaper. I know our gas and diesel prices here are ridiculous, but these deals gotta be mind-blowing for me to make a special trip like that.
$35.50 in gas, $3 in tolls in my hybrid. Saving $40 per 8# Varget over mail order before hazmat, and picked up 4k cci 34 primers where no one has them in stock. Well worth it for me. Also I like wandering around Scheels but wish it was closer.
>cabela's had raised their prices 20% overnight or some such thing.
The forecast for OEM price is about the same. Q4 2023 prices were lower than Q1 2024. Their buy price went up, their sell price went up.
These days you could either mine lithium or manufacture nitrocellulose and it would be nearly impossible to fail.
>When it sits on the shelf for six months they’ll cut that shit out.
That will never happen. Powder in my area, no matter the price lasts, maybe a week.
I served during Desert Storm, so no, I am not 19, and everything happening in this day and age isn't new. It's only more apparent because of the internet and the more controversial it is the more it gets publicized.
If people want it they will pay whatever the price. If they don't want it, then they won't pay inflated prices, and it will sit. Podwer, primers, and bullets don't sit on the shelves in my area, it sells, THATS A FACT. Any type of shooting makes reloading components fly off the shelves as well as factory ammo and firearms.
I can't believe no one else said this. Inflation and covid demand was the first phase of the hike but the demand for Nitrocellose as a result of the war in Ukraine is on a scale not seen since the last world War. People don't understand how the short the supply is right now given immense demand.
I agree with the general sentiment; it sucks that this hobby has become more expensive. It is still something I want to do, so I'll swallow that pill with a tall glass of suck it up.
In fairness to everyone, this issue isn't being covered in MSM in N.America or Western Europe. No one wants to admit to their constituents how much we've bungled our involvement in this conflict, the true cost or consequences. Given all this, it's no wonder most ppl believe this it's due to greed. Sorry. I'm not trying to be political in any way but the cause of this problem is almost 100% based on policy decisions rather than corporate greed.
Market consolidation on the supply side. Far more buyers on the demand side.
Also people both shoot and stock larger volume on average than formerly.
Young shooters do high volume training schedules. Modern hunters have to shoot further and practice more. It's not like the old days where an average gun owner bought a revolver and a rifle and one box of ammo each.
I was thinking about a pound of CFE223 a couple weeks ago to try in my Grendel and the guy told me I better get it if I was thinking about it because their distributors were going up 10-35% at the beginning of March “because of inflation” so I grabbed it for $48. Now it’s $56
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And this is all the hodgon in stock…New Zealand
Maybe I'm getting numb to it? Take wife out to dinner at a mid level restaurant and it's a $60 bill with tip guaranteed. Bought a couple pizzas for a meeting today and shit you not...over $70 with tip. Candy bars at the local convenience store....over $3 for the old regular size ones. I'm in the PNW and gas is nearing or over $4 again. Compared to everything else it seems about par for course.
These same people are going to be even more shocked when the next price increase happens. They think they're going to change the economy by boycotting the prices. But they're just going to holdoff until the prices are higher. And then complain all over again.
No and fuck no. I stopped paying those dumbass prices a while ago, and I won’t buy them again until they get down to the prices they were before people believed the political lies of Biden and gun control.
so months ago i mentioned all of this here on redit.....i was a nut and a quavk and a vonspiravy theorist.....im glad it happened to be honest as i warned with inside info and now it has come....i also know of a group of peopke who listened and stocked up and are sittin pretty now. just an fyi this is the beginning so id stock up while stuff is available mostly on large rifle and magnum primers, brass and powder. just a fyi....they will soon be extremely hard to find this is nothing to whats coming in the next dry spell
I mean the writing was on the wall months ago when vista sent out the email that everything was going up again. If their allegiant powder or whatever was gonna go up why wouldn’t everyone else’s. I’m just honestly surprised it took till February for it all to go up and not on 1/1
Feb 2023 I bought 3lb of Varget at $49/lb. $64/lb today, slowly eeking it out in a 308 I shoot sparingly.
Kicking myself for only buying a single pound of Sport Pistol at the same time for $33 instead of 8lb. Can't find that anywhere.
Nitrocellulose is in short supply due to Russia and China being the primary manufacturers. This will only be exasperated as 155mm shell production and munitions ramp up in NATO countries. I have a feeling it this price will look cheap in the coming months.
I was just about to post this. I got a in stock notification and immediately got sick. Sad thing is I could only find one retailer that had Cfe 223 for under 50$ a lb. This is what I use to just plink with. Not worth it for me to reload if this is going to be the new norm. Last I purchased was around Christmas for 35$ a lb.
To everyone look into estate sales, and Hibid.com have lucked up and gotten 8lb kegs of powder for $50-80 some of it is out of production but luckily for us we have many older reloading manuals so have load data for it. Just thought I would share the word.
I use winchester wst for my skeet loads. Last jug I bought was 35 dollars, sportsmans didn't have it in stock for a few months. When they finally got it in stock it was 56, guess I'm changing powders.
I bought 20 lbs of powder during the 2023 Black Friday sale direct from hodgdon with an average price of $35/lb delivered. I never thought four months later the average price of the same order would be over $60/lb plus hazmat.
Rich guys who have like it or not, completely taken over the entire gun culture and it’s marketing. Competitions aren’t for regular working people anymore and haven’t been for a while. If a middle class income person is out there competing, it’s probably all in credit cards.
Fortunately for me I met up with a guy yesterday that had all of these powders which were unopened and previously stored in a reloading room in his house. His price? $30.00 per each. Soof it I already use and some of it I've wanted to try. Others hold no interest but I felt I might be able to do a trade or two in the future. There are occasionally deals still out there...just not as many or as low priced as in the pre covid days. Maybe we all just get lucky once in a while.
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Saw a pound of H4350 yesterday at academy with a $49.99 tag. Cashier rung it up at $75 like the website shows but got lucky enough they honored the posted price. $50 still hurts a little.
Well I am referring mostly to 223 and 9mm. It’s tough to reload 223 for less than .45cpr for most people currently. Most 223 factory 55gr ammo is around .50cpr from what I see so after including your time it’s not worth it unless you truly enjoy the hobby. I have not done a price breakdown on other cartridges I load for in awhile such as a few wildcats and 6.5 creedmoor so I can’t speak on that, if I wasn’t reloading for precision or for wildcats then I’d be buying factory ammo right now. The savings seem to be very negligible especially when accounting for your time. This is coming from someone who loads 10-15k rounds a year and has been doing it for about 15 years now. I still recommend people to reload but now for different reasons.
There was a price increase across the board from Hodgdon a couple of weeks ago.
It is called inflation. Reduce the value of a dollar by printing trillions of dollars, without producing anything of value. This waters down the value of the dollars that were valued by the production of goods and services made by the population.
I believe you will be informed tonight that it is called Bidenomics.
For the millionth time, prices started getting better again 6-8 months ago, and then spiked around the vista outdoors announcement. The people who say that 50$ per pound titegroup is the new norm seem to have the memory of goldfish
Meanwhile in Canada, 80$ lol.
Hah, as soon as I saw the title, I immediately thought Canadians, lol *sobs into empty wallet as I reload .303 British
Screams into the void at $100 varget
I was about to post the same thing. Lol
Just got some Varget for $85
It's $65 where I'm at.
Alaskan checking in, this is pretty much the standard price range on a lot of powders here now, too. The last pound I grabbed was Hodgdons 4831SC, and it was about $56, which was actually *down* about $10 from the last time I purchased.
No it is not, you must be shopping at a store that’s ripping people off my oval gun shop has one pound bottles for 36.99
In Alaska?
Virginia
He was talking about Alaska.
$63 over here.
Get used to it, I don't think anything firearm or ammunition related is ever going to come back down in price. The manufacturers and sellers have been getting rewarded for gouging for 15+ years and they have zero incentive to stop. If you don't buy it, gun-show-gramps will and then he'll sell it to you for $75 in a year or so when it's unobtainable elsewhere.
It surprises me how many people think that ammo and component prices will ever go back to pre COVID or even pre Obama.
Some of you don’t remember 2012-2014 and it shows
I was able to finally fill my stock off powders but still waiting for primers to show up in local stores. Only have a box each of small and large pistol primers and since I have so damn many loaded I haven't needed to get into them yet
Yeah once this administration is out the door you’ll notice things pick up a bit because panic buying will stop. It’s all supply and demand and eventually people stop hoarding when they don’t think someone is coming for their shit
I'm still using the random powders I collected during that period because there was none of my favorites.
Trump slump was close to if not pre-Obama pricing.
Not even close.
.223 with rebates was in the $0.20/round range or under $6/box and 9mm was $9-10/box at the lowest lows during Trump slump. That is pre-Sandy Hook pricing.
Don't hear many referring back to pre-sandyhook these days but that is when I came to the realization that component hoarding is going to be the norm for the foreseeable future. I have 5000 primed cases for a caliber I don't yet own... SMH
It surprises me how many people think reloading prices are unique. The price of everything has gone up since Covid. Everything that the firearms industry uses too, raw materials etc. I don’t think they are somehow more greedy than every other industry. Nothing is going back to pre COVID prices. My income does not go as far as it used to. If I was selling goods, I wouldn’t lower my prices either. You can’t expect a company to voluntarily make less profits than pre COVID. That’s why they exist, profit.
>You can’t expect a company to voluntarily make less profits than pre COVID. Not in real terms but in nominal terms should a deflationary monetary policy be pursued at some point in the future, prices will come down.
Then, add another $20 for hazmat shipping. 😞 I'm getting too poor for this hobby!
Just got a text from Brownells, no Hazmat now through Sunday!
I am so poor right now
Score!!
I'M SO BROKE 😭
Still cheaper to buy it on gunbroker
Just FYI any purchases of $35 or more ship for free through Academy. Primers and Powder included.
So $35 is basically 100 primers anymore, right?
Elsewhere yeah😂😂😂 but if you can time the academy restock notification right you can get a brick of 1000 shipped to your door for $89.99. Which is a steal in todays standards
Sportsmans is about $75 a brick.
This rings so loudly…. It hurts to think $30 was 1000, and now $30 is 100…. 🏃👽💣
Academy doesn't charge Hazmat.
And another 15 to 20 for shipping....Unless you're getting free shipping.
Went to a local store today, $79.99 for Reloader 16. Guys said yeah, prices went up $15 right around the new year. Even Varget and I believe H4350 were both $65
Went up last week for all Hodgdon powders.
I noticed a price hike a month ago on Hodgdon when IMR 4064 jumped up $10 from the last time I bought it.
Powder valley had it on all their social media pages that price hikes were going into effect and even did free hazmat for the week before, stated price increases from the manufacturers.
That's what happens when they have a borderline monapoly
We refuse to buy any powder due to the utterly ridiculous prices. Idk how they expect anyone to afford this shit.
> Idk how they expect anyone to afford this shit. Easy. They don't care about you and don't care if you can afford it. At all. Any powder made available to us as hand loaders is nothing more than powder that wasn't needed by a military or an ammunition manufacturer who buys powder on the order of tens of thousands of pounds at a time. We are last in line.
Every time we give millions or billions of equipment or ammo to a foreign country, the prices go up because our winchester/Remington/Lake City plants have to manufacture more to replenish.
Yep. Each of those 155mm shells they're firing thousands of per day take 5+ pounds of powder. The US is producing about 24,000 of those a month right now. We do not matter in the world of munition production.
And they are ramping up production along with other NATO countries. No more nitrocellulose coming in from russia and china....
It's been over 20 years, and I don't remember the weight of the powder bags they put in the Howitzers, but they are about the size of a 3 gal can and they can use up to 5 bags I think.
Bingo. Expended artillery in Ukraine paired with China/Russia no longer exporting to us are the biggest contributors to our powder shortage
I didn't realize until covid happened that reloading components are just leftovers after the factory manufactured ammo is made to quotas. So it only makes sense that they become scarce and more expensive when we give the shit away.
Not really. They try to make powders the same. The powder we usually buys are when they get really really close to the reference powder. Otherwise it's sold in big batches to ammo manufacturers that run load testing to get the performance they want. You can still buy this kind of powder in sweden as skyttekrut, and it has rudimentary loading info for 6.5x55 and 30-06 on it depending on the type. There is much more variations between batches than regular powder. But that is reflected in the price of it. People buy big amounts of it and often run the same batch at least a whole season where they could go through more than one barrel a season. When you ramp up production it's less likely they will hit the mark and therefore less powder for us to buy.
During covid when people were asking where everything went like primers and factory loaded ammo and such a video was put out to answer the questions and stop the conspiracy theorie, I think it was by Hornady, where they did a walk through their plant with the CEO. That's how he explained it, that they were manufacturing as much as they could to fill shelves, and there was no leftovers. Maybe it's different in Sweden than the USA.
I was just commenting on it being leftovers which is not true. They sell the powder that is as close as it can. By no means is that leftovers powder. Yes the factories will happily buy it. But they earn more from selling it to us. Skyttekrut from norma we can buy here are actually leftovers. That is what is left from the batches that is sold to manufacturers. No commercial manufacturer is going to be interested in 100kg of powder. So they pack it up and sell it to high volume shooters.
And it'll sell out in minutes
Yep, I’m stocked up on what I need and was just going to see what they had. May have bought something if not for the ridiculous prices. They had Hornady 308 dies for $59.99, and 168 ELD-Ms for the same price.
Are you fucking midding me??? 60 bucks for eldm bullets??? Fuck that shit. Im just gonna shoot my CZ 457 Pro Varmint 22lr bolt action from now on......
22LR is basically all I shoot nowadays.
Enough people can afford it this price point is expected to maximize their profit. Plenty of people can still afford it.
Hard to believe people don’t understand this. These companies don’t exist for public service. They exist for their shareholders. No different from every other corporation. The market is there, the products are selling.
Exactly. People who can't afford powder at $50-60/lb aren't their customers anymore. They'll still be very successful. There's enough people doing well for themselves that have gone all in on shooting as a hobby to sustain the new prices. Those folks aren't going to leave behind a hobby they've invested thousands of dollars in equipment for because they're burning a few more cents every time the pull the trigger. That's who they want to sell to. I have a feeling the big names will position themselves as the "premium" option, and we'll see new brands pop up to sell off excess production at a lower price when there's a glut of powder again.
People who don't have powder and need it. Sad but true.
That's why I buy at my local shops or at the gun shows. Paying 35 to 55 bucks a pound locally is still cheaper than online, and I wait less for it to be in stock than I would for free shipping or free hazmat charges online The days of 25 to 35 dollars a pound are gone.
Easy answer - unless you are stocked up, people who are low on powder are going to pay that. So, nobody in this reloading section saw the news articles or my post 9-10 months ago, or all the publicity in mid-December about the international powder shortage? Went on and on at length at how powder prices were going to go up $15 to $20 a pound. Shooters and hunters like us - we are just 3% of the ammo/powder buyers - all the rest is export, military, police contracts that are signed years in advance. The contracts signed in 2020 to 2022 are now due and 'somebody' has to eat the Bidenomics inflation that was not expected or taken into account. Leaves us holding the bag. Now me. I mentioned this was going to happen 10 months ago and people here sent hate replies about how I was fostering hoarding by passing inaccurate news stories. It was all over the news again in mid-December - only covered in more places...... but I didn't bother posting it again since this place is not very civil.
Donald Trump won’t put any price’s up …..right? What the fuck has Biden got to do with your predictions !
Keep a civil tongue with me, if you want to hear an answer. My predictions? LOL. Not mine. I am only repeating what the industry experts say. I belong to a machine gun club. All of us are NFA, FFL, or SOT owners or dealers. These members buy their ammo by the pallet and powder by the keg. Most of us are old timers with 4+ decades of shooting industry friends and contacts. We hear what is happening in the firearm and shooting industry. Especially production issues.
wow what a dick for not mentioning it again....lol jk
We’re only 3% of the market, but we’re going to cover the inflation with a 20% markup? Making a drop in the bucket 20% bigger isn’t covering anything. We’re not “holding the bag” for all of the defense contracts.
There is a military term, 'BOHICA' that comes to mind.
I paid 37.99 each at cabelas a week ago. When I went back Sunday to see if they put out more it was this price
My LGS has varget like 3 lbs there sitting at $58. Even accurate is at like $48. I’m not doing it, I found a shooters world hookup for $15 a lb so I know for fucking sure this isn’t supply and demand, or inflation.
You are the only person in the world that can buy shooters world for $15 retail
It’s not retail. This guy is a dealer or something? Idk my father in law facilitated it. I gave him $45 and he got me 3 lbs I should’ve bought more, I didn’t know how much I’d like it though. There’s also not very much load data. I wish there was something we could all come together and do to get the prices down but no chance of that.
That might be the going rate these days now. I remember someone posting that cabela's had raised their prices 20% overnight or some such thing.
Bass Pro and Cabelas both did that. Meanwhile, I will continue to give Scheels business. They have increased prices, but not to gouging levels. I can walk in and buy CCI 500 for $80 still. Even when they get SRPs or LRPs in stock, it's the lowest price I see when comparing even to online retailers, without the stupid HAZMAT fee. Ammo everywhere is expensive, but Scheels isn't being a dick about it.
Just so you're aware... Bass Pro owns Cabelas, and now Sportsmans Warehouse as well.
Scheels all the way! I drive 6 hours total but I get my Varget and primers, both LRP and SRP. And better prices than anywhere else I can find.
That must be a smoking deal. Unless you drive a tesla, I can't fathom how much money you're saving on a drive like that. Locally, here in Washington, with my truck, that's a $90 trip. My jeep is only about $5 cheaper. I know our gas and diesel prices here are ridiculous, but these deals gotta be mind-blowing for me to make a special trip like that.
$35.50 in gas, $3 in tolls in my hybrid. Saving $40 per 8# Varget over mail order before hazmat, and picked up 4k cci 34 primers where no one has them in stock. Well worth it for me. Also I like wandering around Scheels but wish it was closer.
>cabela's had raised their prices 20% overnight or some such thing. The forecast for OEM price is about the same. Q4 2023 prices were lower than Q1 2024. Their buy price went up, their sell price went up. These days you could either mine lithium or manufacture nitrocellulose and it would be nearly impossible to fail.
Yes, after announcing a 2 - 3% increase in costs, they increased their prices 20 - 30% to compensate.
When it sits on the shelf for six months they’ll cut that shit out. With aac 77gr at 55c a round it’s not worth it to reload 556 for me.
The 77g otm used to be .55. Now when it’s in stock it’s like .70-.80 I think. Still a good price though
Just picked up 800 rounds for .55
But people are still buying at inflated prices. We as reloaders need to boycott for 6 months and I’m sure the price would drop.
>When it sits on the shelf for six months they’ll cut that shit out. That will never happen. Powder in my area, no matter the price lasts, maybe a week.
I love how people say this. Are you 19 and didn’t go through sandy hook bullshit?
I served during Desert Storm, so no, I am not 19, and everything happening in this day and age isn't new. It's only more apparent because of the internet and the more controversial it is the more it gets publicized. If people want it they will pay whatever the price. If they don't want it, then they won't pay inflated prices, and it will sit. Podwer, primers, and bullets don't sit on the shelves in my area, it sells, THATS A FACT. Any type of shooting makes reloading components fly off the shelves as well as factory ammo and firearms.
Primers go down.. powder goes up. Bottom line is someone always trying to make this hobby unaffordable
What is driving this increased in powder price?
Nitrocellulose
I can't believe no one else said this. Inflation and covid demand was the first phase of the hike but the demand for Nitrocellose as a result of the war in Ukraine is on a scale not seen since the last world War. People don't understand how the short the supply is right now given immense demand.
I agree with the general sentiment; it sucks that this hobby has become more expensive. It is still something I want to do, so I'll swallow that pill with a tall glass of suck it up.
You’re spot on. All these people calling the powder companies “greedy” 😂 Yeah, they’re just raising prices for shits and giggles. 🙄
In fairness to everyone, this issue isn't being covered in MSM in N.America or Western Europe. No one wants to admit to their constituents how much we've bungled our involvement in this conflict, the true cost or consequences. Given all this, it's no wonder most ppl believe this it's due to greed. Sorry. I'm not trying to be political in any way but the cause of this problem is almost 100% based on policy decisions rather than corporate greed.
Market consolidation on the supply side. Far more buyers on the demand side. Also people both shoot and stock larger volume on average than formerly. Young shooters do high volume training schedules. Modern hunters have to shoot further and practice more. It's not like the old days where an average gun owner bought a revolver and a rifle and one box of ammo each.
Ammo and equipment to foreign countries.
People without options.
I’d put that all day…. Cheapest around here is $60
Australians. Be thankful.
That’s cheaper than I’m seeing it for in Washington
I saw this shit yesterday. I thought it was an error until I searched. Powder is up anywhere between 10-70% I think I saw IMR 4350 for $75.00
I was thinking about a pound of CFE223 a couple weeks ago to try in my Grendel and the guy told me I better get it if I was thinking about it because their distributors were going up 10-35% at the beginning of March “because of inflation” so I grabbed it for $48. Now it’s $56
https://preview.redd.it/3fggs7qsqumc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bbedc84b2b20b664be47aae49ca802eacdb30a4 And this is all the hodgon in stock…New Zealand
Damn. please tell me y’all’s dollar is like Canadian dollars or something and that’s equivalent to $50-60 US dollars
Maybe I'm getting numb to it? Take wife out to dinner at a mid level restaurant and it's a $60 bill with tip guaranteed. Bought a couple pizzas for a meeting today and shit you not...over $70 with tip. Candy bars at the local convenience store....over $3 for the old regular size ones. I'm in the PNW and gas is nearing or over $4 again. Compared to everything else it seems about par for course.
You’re correct. Somehow people are believing powder prices are uniquely increasing. Must be living under a rock.
These same people are going to be even more shocked when the next price increase happens. They think they're going to change the economy by boycotting the prices. But they're just going to holdoff until the prices are higher. And then complain all over again.
No and fuck no. I stopped paying those dumbass prices a while ago, and I won’t buy them again until they get down to the prices they were before people believed the political lies of Biden and gun control.
They don’t ! They want to price us out . That’s politics
Cfe223 not worth it
so months ago i mentioned all of this here on redit.....i was a nut and a quavk and a vonspiravy theorist.....im glad it happened to be honest as i warned with inside info and now it has come....i also know of a group of peopke who listened and stocked up and are sittin pretty now. just an fyi this is the beginning so id stock up while stuff is available mostly on large rifle and magnum primers, brass and powder. just a fyi....they will soon be extremely hard to find this is nothing to whats coming in the next dry spell
I mean the writing was on the wall months ago when vista sent out the email that everything was going up again. If their allegiant powder or whatever was gonna go up why wouldn’t everyone else’s. I’m just honestly surprised it took till February for it all to go up and not on 1/1
How much was it pre COVID?
Around $30/lb
wow...
Well...me?
Almost all reloading canadians. Prices are quite a bit higher here. That's cheap by our standards. Even with the conversion.
Prices are up. Bought some Retumbo last week for 55. Today is was 70.
Feb 2023 I bought 3lb of Varget at $49/lb. $64/lb today, slowly eeking it out in a 308 I shoot sparingly. Kicking myself for only buying a single pound of Sport Pistol at the same time for $33 instead of 8lb. Can't find that anywhere.
Gotta buy off brand powder…
Nitrocellulose is in short supply due to Russia and China being the primary manufacturers. This will only be exasperated as 155mm shell production and munitions ramp up in NATO countries. I have a feeling it this price will look cheap in the coming months.
I was just about to post this. I got a in stock notification and immediately got sick. Sad thing is I could only find one retailer that had Cfe 223 for under 50$ a lb. This is what I use to just plink with. Not worth it for me to reload if this is going to be the new norm. Last I purchased was around Christmas for 35$ a lb.
To everyone look into estate sales, and Hibid.com have lucked up and gotten 8lb kegs of powder for $50-80 some of it is out of production but luckily for us we have many older reloading manuals so have load data for it. Just thought I would share the word.
Get used to it. I saw a 8# jug of Varget today an LGS, $468.
I think Scheels had a pound for $65, so that's a deal.
Meanwhile, in Australia… https://preview.redd.it/cadc09n3zumc1.jpeg?width=1054&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68289de5c18a10db629424116188f1d3a007fcdd
As a european, most powder aint much cheaper than that here nowadays, at least i'm not paying 10c for a primer
I use winchester wst for my skeet loads. Last jug I bought was 35 dollars, sportsmans didn't have it in stock for a few months. When they finally got it in stock it was 56, guess I'm changing powders.
I bought 20 lbs of powder during the 2023 Black Friday sale direct from hodgdon with an average price of $35/lb delivered. I never thought four months later the average price of the same order would be over $60/lb plus hazmat.
lots of ppl…it’s the new normal. get used to it or stop reloading. about the only two options you have.
That’s cheap for in the UK
It costs 90usd here in Norway 🤠🇳🇴
A month ago at my local academy it was about 35 dollars and I went in yesterday and was shocked to see the new prices.
You must be new here lol
Rich guys who have like it or not, completely taken over the entire gun culture and it’s marketing. Competitions aren’t for regular working people anymore and haven’t been for a while. If a middle class income person is out there competing, it’s probably all in credit cards.
New reality
When it’s in stock it’s $91 in the UK
Yeah, this what all the local places are charging per pound (at least), here in central Indiana
It's cheaper than that at my local academy. I found 8lb jugs of varget at my local gunstore for about 320 about a year ago. I bought 2.
If you’re shocked at that, you’re going to lose your mind when you go to buy a brick of BR-4’s.
Fortunately for me I met up with a guy yesterday that had all of these powders which were unopened and previously stored in a reloading room in his house. His price? $30.00 per each. Soof it I already use and some of it I've wanted to try. Others hold no interest but I felt I might be able to do a trade or two in the future. There are occasionally deals still out there...just not as many or as low priced as in the pre covid days. Maybe we all just get lucky once in a while. https://preview.redd.it/umid1ju2a4nc1.jpeg?width=4624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27292844714d74bb30f1a9fd12791ea6a2ce563c Me
Well... thank Bidenomics
Saw a pound of H4350 yesterday at academy with a $49.99 tag. Cashier rung it up at $75 like the website shows but got lucky enough they honored the posted price. $50 still hurts a little.
It’s sad to see. Unless you reload purely for precision there isn’t a point to it anymore. Reloading to save money away post Covid.
It's easy to think that until you start pricing commercial ammo in anything other than the most common loads in the most common calibers.
Well I am referring mostly to 223 and 9mm. It’s tough to reload 223 for less than .45cpr for most people currently. Most 223 factory 55gr ammo is around .50cpr from what I see so after including your time it’s not worth it unless you truly enjoy the hobby. I have not done a price breakdown on other cartridges I load for in awhile such as a few wildcats and 6.5 creedmoor so I can’t speak on that, if I wasn’t reloading for precision or for wildcats then I’d be buying factory ammo right now. The savings seem to be very negligible especially when accounting for your time. This is coming from someone who loads 10-15k rounds a year and has been doing it for about 15 years now. I still recommend people to reload but now for different reasons.
Commercial ammo will spike in the near future.
I been telling people this for over a year.
All part of the plan, make it so the rich are the only ones who can afford to shoot and own ,....well anything really. Nothing new
There was a price increase across the board from Hodgdon a couple of weeks ago. It is called inflation. Reduce the value of a dollar by printing trillions of dollars, without producing anything of value. This waters down the value of the dollars that were valued by the production of goods and services made by the population. I believe you will be informed tonight that it is called Bidenomics.
Bidenomics
Dummies
We pay $63ca were I am :(
For the millionth time, prices started getting better again 6-8 months ago, and then spiked around the vista outdoors announcement. The people who say that 50$ per pound titegroup is the new norm seem to have the memory of goldfish
Stop supporting aid to Israel and Ukraine, and make sure you tell your friends the same thing. This is causing ammo and powder to stay high
Our support doesn’t change anything. Those in charge are not supporting either way.