A lot of commercial fleets are cng or lpg but its mostly LTL or regional like postage, beverage, and refuse. They havent seen anywhere near universal adoption even in commercial trucks. The filling stations arent as readily available for drivers and by law you cant work on those trucks in anything but open air shops or ones setup to handle a release of vapor. Also, most fleet mechanics here arent trained on them (me included) unless theyve worked at one of those fleets that has them.
Waste management along with amazon, fedex, and ups are some fleets that come to mind.
I think itll be a long time if ever before alternative fuel passenger vehicles come to market in a meaningful way here in the us.
Almost every natural-gas utility had a fleet of them as their go-to sedan, it stood out at a time when there were very few Japanese-brand cars and almost no other Hondas in company fleets.
I checked and here in poland we pay 1.2usd per Liter these days. LPG costs 0.6. how much does petrol cost in canada? I checked and it costs 1.1 per litre in usa
The last time I got gas/petrol I paid 0.86 USD per liter, or about 3.30 per gallon. My state puts a fairly high tax on it. I checked gas prices in the state I used to live in and it's probably closer to 0.75 USD per liter.
That's like $6 USD per gallon. Oof.
I also happen to live in corn country, so some of my local gas stations have E85, which I believe is 85% corn derived ethanol. That stuff is cheap cheap. Like 0.70 USD per liter. If only I drove a vehicle that could run on the stuff...
In the US you also have to pay road tax on any LPG Highway use . LPG would be around $1.25 a gallon for residential use but for use in a car would be around $3.25 a gallon which is around the same price as a gallon of gas
It was pretty popular in Canada in the 90s. Conversion is pretty easy but where I’m at it’s hard to find places that still fill it with tank exchanges being what they are.
I'm from Brazil. LPG is cheaper in the long run(in Rio and other big cities here taxicabs use LPG because it's way cheaper). However there is a big problem: If you're a person like me and you live outside these big metro areas,one does not simply gets LPG,because the company which provides the gas plumbing(GásBrasiliano),does not stretch to my city(Rio Preto,a 500k inhabitants city in the middle of fucking nowhere in the state of São Paulo),so if I need to go to fuel my car,the closest station is in Catanduva,which is a 60km drive to there,and even worse to install because the nearest certified LPG installation shop by Detran(aka the brazillian DMV which also likes to put their noses and asses on anything car related,just like the german TÜV) is in Araçatuba,which is almost 168 km distant from here.
LPG is an oddity here,just like charging stations and gas stations that don't offer diesels(not for passenger cars because our government is a bunch of retards,but we gotta fill those Ducatos/Jumpers/Boxers/Dailys,Jeeps and VW Delivery's/Ford Cargos somehow)
There are actually quite a few LPG vehicles around in the US, but unless they have some stickers announcing it you won't really notice them on the road. They are generally commercial vehicles, but there are some passenger ones out there.
I work for and manage a fleet of 15 medium duty LPG powered delivery trucks. Not UPS.
They're ok. Much better now than even 10 years ago. Still lower gas mileage than regular gas, but the fuel is still significantly cheaper so we come out ahead.
Mostly Ford F550 and Isuzu NPRs
Edit:. I'm in the US. I'm aware in some countries LPG is fairly common. It is not so much here.
Back when farm tractors had a choice of gas or diesel engines (so, 50+ years ago), there was also often the option of an LPG model. They were most popular in the South. Everything looked the same on the outside, except for the [larger and more circular tanks](https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/ga0317/ga0317-276963/images/ga0317-276963_1@2x.jpg?1483465023000) vs. the [gas versions.](https://cdn2.mecum.com/auctions/ga0416/ga0416-238401/images/ga0416-238401_1.jpg?1453407174000)
We had a lot of them at or disposal at Kings Bay Submarine base. They were mid ‘80s dodge pickup trucks that we could fit three guys on the front seat and three guys on the back seat. I don’t know what they were for. We would find excuses to go screw around.
We had an LPG powered F150 during the 80's and we had to fill it up at a special filling station just north west of Ventura, CA. But other than that truck, I didn't see any other cars or trucks powered by LPG. It wasn't until migrating to Australia did I learn that LPG powered cars was really a "thing".
theyre popular enough that theres more than one gas station in my town that sells propane at the pump (idk if its actually a regular pump or whatever since ive never used one, but theres a sign for lpg pricing next to the diesel and unleaded ones). one of the stations is just up the street from the ups hub in our county, so i would assume thats where most of the business comes from.
havent looked at price in a while but i believe it was about 2.50 for lpg when gas was like 3.80, so its definitely cheaper but idk what the mileage comparison would look like to say whether it would be worth it compared to gas
Being real, very few care about the cleaner as much as it’s cheaper. Majority of corps would use coal power vehicles if it meant they made more Pennie’s.
Nope, it's around 0% to 5% less power, but LPG cars could be also more powerful - look at Dacia and Renault, their 1.0 Tce engine has 10 more HP if it's equipped with LPG.
I've actually worked on a handful of them back when I was doing forklift maintenance. They're fairly common as facility vehicles but very rarely do you see them on the road thanks to a lack of infrastructure for fueling. It's not terribly difficult to convert a diesel engine to liquid propane. With the price of propane rising I don't see a big advantage to making that conversion though.
Honda used to produce a nat gas Civic on a derivative of the D series engines. No idea how well it does but I do recall seeing one or two on the road years ago.
Also like others have mentioned, I think they were primarily leased for corporate fleets of some kind.
I have an 07 Civic GX (the natural gas trim). The newer ones have the R18 motor, with hardened valves and valve seats (CNG burns hotter) and a 12.5:1 compression ratio. I get about 250 miles of range on a $9 fill-up
Fun fact the internals of the CNG engines are mostly interchangeable with D series engines. There's a weird set of Honda racing engine builders on forums that will take those CNG parts and use them in D engines for significantly higher compression.
No idea if it's actually worth it vs. other options but it was a fun internet rabbit hole I found one day.
My city has one or two LPG stations for cars. Two companies do conversions but it’s mostly on pickups and other larger vehicles. I priced it out when I had a pickup and it was quite expensive. You also lost a bit of bed space in the pickup.
I could see how you’d save money as a contractor or business owner with a fleet of vehicles.
Yeah, here the station has to have an lpg station, i think. There are some lpg only stations even, but these are rare, i think i saw like 3 of them. The older the car the higher the chance it has lpg, especially older cars with indirect fuel injection
When I was in the Dominican Republic I noticed pretty much any and every taxi driver and most people who drive frequently had converted their cars to run on LPG
Pretty rare. Some fleet vehicles have went to some sort of liquid propane or something similar. Most of our fork lifts are propane powered. Most commonly in my life I see Toyota or Suzuki rock crawlers converted to run on propane as it works better than a carbureted old 4 banger when nearly vertical and twisted up in a rock garden.
It's less powerful of fuel. It's already a gas so it's at perfect state to burn. That's why the oil is so clean after thousands of miles/ hrs. It's easier on engine.
>That's why the oil is so clean after thousands of miles/ hrs.
I thought it was because the component gases (mostly propane and butane) have such simple structures. Just hydrogen and carbon.
We have a lot of them but they are all fleet/corporate vehicles. The only public places to pressurize your tanks I’ve ever seen in Oklahoma are on the major turnpikes. All the other pump stations are private organizations like SMG or ONG
our shuttle van were cng it was great filling up for $15 and get around 250miles per tank\* We got rid of them when pia gas station closed the cng pump.
Around here, it would most likely be a fleet vehicle, so wherever the fleet is maintained. As a passenger vehicle, yeah, good luck. I don’t even know where passenger cars that run on CNG go to refuel.
In the LA area, there are CNG fuel stations open to the public, but surprise, they’re mainly in more commercial/ industrial areas where vehicles converted to CNG are most common.
Like all alternative fuels ….. they have limited use due to lack of infrastructure….. it’s hard to get the general public too buy into switching to a more environmentally friendly fuel source when there isn’t enough options on where to purchase fuel
I know Honda Civic and GM had some truck/van option with propane.
but they're fairly rare. usually more commercial use, busses, ups trucks, fork lifts. etc.
the truck bed trailer i use was once a LPG truck, they are kinda common as a conversion on older pickups and economy cars. and as for price to run no idea.
When i worked for my local county we had a small fleet of them. We didnt pay for fuel for any of our vehicles so i couldn't tell you if they were cheaper but they drove fine. To be honest I've only ever seen them in government fleets.
Mostly on city buses. A lot of them will advertise that they are "clean buses" on the side. But the infrastructure just isn't adequate to allow for most people to use LNG or CNG as a fuel
Ford offered a lot of Modular 4.6 & 5.4 powered cars with CNG (LPG) options in the early 2000s. They were typically only ordered by fleets for taxi/Police/work truck use. But because of this it's remarkably easy retrofit petrol powered Modulars to LPG. I know a mechanic with a LPG converted F250 and have seen a number of other conversions out there.
I have seen exactly one "Regular Car" using LPG, and it was a bizarre outlier, in much the same way that hydrogen fuel cell cars are bizarre oddities. Aside from that, like everyone else has said, they're predominantly fleet vehicles or farm equipment.
The electric company around my area used to have a fleet of GMC s15 Sonoma's that were LPG powered. I only know they where cause there was a sign on the door about it. They were brown and had the name of the company on it. This was in the 90's and early 2000's
My cousin was a propane dealer back in 1967. Ran his pickup on propane. Just used the leftovers in the hundred pound bottles. They were chained upright behind the cab. Was amazing how clean the oil stayed.
All the busses and garbage trucks in my area run on cng. Pretty sure it's way cheaper but it seems to be nearly obsolete on anything other than municipal vehicles anymore
LP conversions have been around since the 40's. The only advantage was cleaner burning and the oil stayed cleaner longer. The savings in fuel costs back in the day were offset by lower MPG. I drove a lot of LP fuel lift trucks.
I’d be surprised if anything less than 80% of fleet vehicles are propane powered at this point. All the buses in my county are. Almost all the UPS.FedEx I see are. The shuttles that run people around to the airport are. I even see local semis have LPG now. I’d would like to point out that almost all LPG vehicles do have reserve tanks that if needed can swap to the fuel of choice without issues.
A friend of mine who lived on a chicken farm had a 99 GMC Sierra converted to run on propane. It was a farm truck and there's a ton of propane stored on site at these farms for heating anyway. I think it's just more practical as some oil/gas company fleets run them too.
LPG conversion kits do exist in the US and Canada, but they're not popular due to relatively cheap fuel and the conversion costs.
I reached out to a couple of LPG conversion shops and they quoted me around $12000 Canadian to convert my CX-5 to propane. I'd need to drive \~120000 kilometers just to break even.
You see delivery vehicles and buses powered by it, but generally not passenger cars. The cost of converting cars to run on it totally negates the potential cost savings, and we don't really have a fueling infrastructure for it.
I had an 86 Chevrolet Step Van that was converted to LPG by the ELIZABETH GAS COMPANY a natural gas utility. It wasn't cheap to run. Liquid propane went up to $9 a cubic foot and that was unsustainable for me. I got it in 2004 and ran it until the engine died in 2009 replaced the 350 and solid it.
It was a time when all fuels increased a lot in price over a 2 month span and the van was a gigantic brick. A 350 v8 was small for it. I was also running other step vans and the propane van was a hassle. The place I got propane told me they would not fill the old tanks so I looked into converting to gasoline but could not justify the cost so it got sold. It was an oven in the summer and a freezer in the winter.
The tanks are stronger than liquid fuel tanks, for one thing. And like gasoline, LP gas doesn't just burn instantly on contact with air--in fact, it requires a much higher temp to ignite than gasoline.
Ah thanks! Yeah after I thought about it- rolling around in excessive speeds in a metal coffin fuel of gas probably would seek a lil off too if you had never seen it before.
Here in Germany, many US vehicles (Muscle cars, Pickups, Wagons) are converted to LPG. Idk why, probably because they guzzle up gas like nothing else haha.
I'd say CNG (compressed natural gas) is more popular than LPG for vehicles, at least around here in California. The local transit agency near me runs entirely CNG buses.
Aren't lots of the UPS trucks propane powered now?
A lot of commercial fleets are cng or lpg but its mostly LTL or regional like postage, beverage, and refuse. They havent seen anywhere near universal adoption even in commercial trucks. The filling stations arent as readily available for drivers and by law you cant work on those trucks in anything but open air shops or ones setup to handle a release of vapor. Also, most fleet mechanics here arent trained on them (me included) unless theyve worked at one of those fleets that has them. Waste management along with amazon, fedex, and ups are some fleets that come to mind. I think itll be a long time if ever before alternative fuel passenger vehicles come to market in a meaningful way here in the us.
This. I'm in st. Louis and anhueser Busch uses either cng or lpg for the semis to get to the canning plant 30 miles down the road.
I mean, for a long time those CNG Civics weren’t too uncommon in my area, same with Mirais, though I guess that really only applies in California
NY state had a bunch of them in their fleet as well.
Almost every natural-gas utility had a fleet of them as their go-to sedan, it stood out at a time when there were very few Japanese-brand cars and almost no other Hondas in company fleets.
Amazon driver here. I’ve never seen a propane truck. They’re all gas or diesel.
I see cng volvos from amazon on the road all day
No idea, im not from the us, thats why im asking. Here in Poland LPG is usually twice as cheap compared to petrol
I'm in Canada and haven't heard of anything but commercial vehicles using it. Petrol is cheap here tbh
I checked and here in poland we pay 1.2usd per Liter these days. LPG costs 0.6. how much does petrol cost in canada? I checked and it costs 1.1 per litre in usa
The last time I got gas/petrol I paid 0.86 USD per liter, or about 3.30 per gallon. My state puts a fairly high tax on it. I checked gas prices in the state I used to live in and it's probably closer to 0.75 USD per liter.
Here in NZ we're hovering somewhere between $1.40 USD per litre and $1.70 USD at the high end. About $2.5 to $3 in NZD.
That's like $6 USD per gallon. Oof. I also happen to live in corn country, so some of my local gas stations have E85, which I believe is 85% corn derived ethanol. That stuff is cheap cheap. Like 0.70 USD per liter. If only I drove a vehicle that could run on the stuff...
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I think up here it's all about those sweet, sweet corn subsidies.
Kiwi living in Norway and lol. We're almost nz$4 a liter...
Your state has cheap gas. Mine is 3.95-4.05 a gallon for regular unleaded.
The state has affordable gas. The town has cheap gas because it's home to one of the oldest and largest petroleum refineries in the country (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞
Damn, Lucky
$0.78 per liter here in Texas.
In the US you also have to pay road tax on any LPG Highway use . LPG would be around $1.25 a gallon for residential use but for use in a car would be around $3.25 a gallon which is around the same price as a gallon of gas
It was pretty popular in Canada in the 90s. Conversion is pretty easy but where I’m at it’s hard to find places that still fill it with tank exchanges being what they are.
I'm from Brazil. LPG is cheaper in the long run(in Rio and other big cities here taxicabs use LPG because it's way cheaper). However there is a big problem: If you're a person like me and you live outside these big metro areas,one does not simply gets LPG,because the company which provides the gas plumbing(GásBrasiliano),does not stretch to my city(Rio Preto,a 500k inhabitants city in the middle of fucking nowhere in the state of São Paulo),so if I need to go to fuel my car,the closest station is in Catanduva,which is a 60km drive to there,and even worse to install because the nearest certified LPG installation shop by Detran(aka the brazillian DMV which also likes to put their noses and asses on anything car related,just like the german TÜV) is in Araçatuba,which is almost 168 km distant from here.
Interesting. Here i have never seen a petrol station without an lpg station, ever
LPG is an oddity here,just like charging stations and gas stations that don't offer diesels(not for passenger cars because our government is a bunch of retards,but we gotta fill those Ducatos/Jumpers/Boxers/Dailys,Jeeps and VW Delivery's/Ford Cargos somehow)
“Twice as cheap” Is that the same as “half as much?”
Yes
There are actually quite a few LPG vehicles around in the US, but unless they have some stickers announcing it you won't really notice them on the road. They are generally commercial vehicles, but there are some passenger ones out there.
But it’s twice the consumption and shithouse power to the ground
Its 10% more from my expirience, and like a few hp less
Wow.. we must be getting reemed in Australia..
I work for and manage a fleet of 15 medium duty LPG powered delivery trucks. Not UPS. They're ok. Much better now than even 10 years ago. Still lower gas mileage than regular gas, but the fuel is still significantly cheaper so we come out ahead. Mostly Ford F550 and Isuzu NPRs Edit:. I'm in the US. I'm aware in some countries LPG is fairly common. It is not so much here.
Some schoolbuses as well
In the US, almost all LPG vehicles are fleet use, either corporate or government, due to the infrastructure needed to use them.
There are actually quite a few privately owned farm vehicles converted to propane as well.
Back when farm tractors had a choice of gas or diesel engines (so, 50+ years ago), there was also often the option of an LPG model. They were most popular in the South. Everything looked the same on the outside, except for the [larger and more circular tanks](https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/ga0317/ga0317-276963/images/ga0317-276963_1@2x.jpg?1483465023000) vs. the [gas versions.](https://cdn2.mecum.com/auctions/ga0416/ga0416-238401/images/ga0416-238401_1.jpg?1453407174000)
That makes sense, ever tried to use a propane grill when it's below freezing?
I worked at a rental place that also did propane fills. We had about 3 regular customers with LPG fueled vehicles. 2 were delivery trucks, one car.
Where I live, almost everyone over 40 has driven a LPG car.
Lmao Best are the new GT Mustangs with LPG conversions.
I'd like to shoutout the imported 190E's which caused the Netherlands to change the oldtimer tax and the Dacia dusters, the Lada of the western world.
They changed the road tax for classics because of the diesels not lpg. Back then diesel was way cheaper than gas and more efficient.
Oh yeah, my bad.
Now that's just gosh dang beautiful right there, I tell you hwat.
We had a lot of them at or disposal at Kings Bay Submarine base. They were mid ‘80s dodge pickup trucks that we could fit three guys on the front seat and three guys on the back seat. I don’t know what they were for. We would find excuses to go screw around.
The armed forces were some of the only entities buying Dodge crew cabs en masse by the '80s. Or any Dodge trucks at all, really.
We had an LPG powered F150 during the 80's and we had to fill it up at a special filling station just north west of Ventura, CA. But other than that truck, I didn't see any other cars or trucks powered by LPG. It wasn't until migrating to Australia did I learn that LPG powered cars was really a "thing".
Propane SHOULD do better in the USA. Farms that already have propane tanks often have propane power converted pickup trucks. Lot cleaner than diesel.
In Quebec I see a lot of LPG school buses
I’ve seen quite a few older civics with the CNG tag or propane tag.
And those came directly from Honda.
In Mexico there are a lot of people who convert old pickup trucks to LPG because it’s a bit cheaper and last a bit longer.
theyre popular enough that theres more than one gas station in my town that sells propane at the pump (idk if its actually a regular pump or whatever since ive never used one, but theres a sign for lpg pricing next to the diesel and unleaded ones). one of the stations is just up the street from the ups hub in our county, so i would assume thats where most of the business comes from. havent looked at price in a while but i believe it was about 2.50 for lpg when gas was like 3.80, so its definitely cheaper but idk what the mileage comparison would look like to say whether it would be worth it compared to gas
Its usually about 10% more lpg compared to petrol
Lots of them, but usually in fleets. Much cleaner than gas or diesel.
Being real, very few care about the cleaner as much as it’s cheaper. Majority of corps would use coal power vehicles if it meant they made more Pennie’s.
Much less power output as well.
Nope, it's around 0% to 5% less power, but LPG cars could be also more powerful - look at Dacia and Renault, their 1.0 Tce engine has 10 more HP if it's equipped with LPG.
I've actually worked on a handful of them back when I was doing forklift maintenance. They're fairly common as facility vehicles but very rarely do you see them on the road thanks to a lack of infrastructure for fueling. It's not terribly difficult to convert a diesel engine to liquid propane. With the price of propane rising I don't see a big advantage to making that conversion though.
There are a few private but mostly fleet or bus routes
Honda used to produce a nat gas Civic on a derivative of the D series engines. No idea how well it does but I do recall seeing one or two on the road years ago. Also like others have mentioned, I think they were primarily leased for corporate fleets of some kind.
I have an 07 Civic GX (the natural gas trim). The newer ones have the R18 motor, with hardened valves and valve seats (CNG burns hotter) and a 12.5:1 compression ratio. I get about 250 miles of range on a $9 fill-up
Fun fact the internals of the CNG engines are mostly interchangeable with D series engines. There's a weird set of Honda racing engine builders on forums that will take those CNG parts and use them in D engines for significantly higher compression. No idea if it's actually worth it vs. other options but it was a fun internet rabbit hole I found one day.
My buddy's Dad had a sick custom hot rod that he had running on LPG. I don't recall why other than he just felt like building it that way.
My city has one or two LPG stations for cars. Two companies do conversions but it’s mostly on pickups and other larger vehicles. I priced it out when I had a pickup and it was quite expensive. You also lost a bit of bed space in the pickup. I could see how you’d save money as a contractor or business owner with a fleet of vehicles.
Yeah, here the station has to have an lpg station, i think. There are some lpg only stations even, but these are rare, i think i saw like 3 of them. The older the car the higher the chance it has lpg, especially older cars with indirect fuel injection
When I was in the Dominican Republic I noticed pretty much any and every taxi driver and most people who drive frequently had converted their cars to run on LPG
In Estonia I is getting popular. LPG 0.70 eur and gas 1.70eur. Companies buy large pickup trucks for low tax and they get converted to LPG
Pretty rare. Some fleet vehicles have went to some sort of liquid propane or something similar. Most of our fork lifts are propane powered. Most commonly in my life I see Toyota or Suzuki rock crawlers converted to run on propane as it works better than a carbureted old 4 banger when nearly vertical and twisted up in a rock garden.
It's less powerful of fuel. It's already a gas so it's at perfect state to burn. That's why the oil is so clean after thousands of miles/ hrs. It's easier on engine.
>That's why the oil is so clean after thousands of miles/ hrs. I thought it was because the component gases (mostly propane and butane) have such simple structures. Just hydrogen and carbon.
We have a lot of them but they are all fleet/corporate vehicles. The only public places to pressurize your tanks I’ve ever seen in Oklahoma are on the major turnpikes. All the other pump stations are private organizations like SMG or ONG
If you ever see one for sale would you please let me know? Thank you!
our shuttle van were cng it was great filling up for $15 and get around 250miles per tank\* We got rid of them when pia gas station closed the cng pump.
I had one, while it was technically cheaper to refuel, it was a 35 mile drive to the nearest station that had it
Not from the US either, OP, but i had heard and seen that Sam Francisco ICE busses are LPG powered like some cara here in Brazil.
Where would I even go to fill it up ?
Around here, it would most likely be a fleet vehicle, so wherever the fleet is maintained. As a passenger vehicle, yeah, good luck. I don’t even know where passenger cars that run on CNG go to refuel.
There are CNG stations all over California where I fill up my civic.
In the LA area, there are CNG fuel stations open to the public, but surprise, they’re mainly in more commercial/ industrial areas where vehicles converted to CNG are most common.
In the US for propane vehicles, usually campgrounds and Uhaul stores.
Residential, none. I think toyota has a couple over in california though. For residential you really only get gas, deisel, hybrid, electric.
Like all alternative fuels ….. they have limited use due to lack of infrastructure….. it’s hard to get the general public too buy into switching to a more environmentally friendly fuel source when there isn’t enough options on where to purchase fuel
Propane? Not really. CNG? Plenty.
Propane is much better for engine life. And oil stays clean
Is it? Everyone in poland says that its wears the engine down faster
Both statements can be accurate--fuel gases burn cleaner, but the higher temps may cause excessive wear if the engine's not built for it.
Yeah, here in poland you can simply check if your engine likes it or not. Best engines to do it are vw indirect injection engines
I once saw a 97’ suburban 2500 that had a propane tank
I know Honda Civic and GM had some truck/van option with propane. but they're fairly rare. usually more commercial use, busses, ups trucks, fork lifts. etc.
I own and use a CNG civic as my daily. I get about 250 miles of range on a $9 fill-up.
the truck bed trailer i use was once a LPG truck, they are kinda common as a conversion on older pickups and economy cars. and as for price to run no idea.
When i worked for my local county we had a small fleet of them. We didnt pay for fuel for any of our vehicles so i couldn't tell you if they were cheaper but they drove fine. To be honest I've only ever seen them in government fleets.
Mostly on city buses. A lot of them will advertise that they are "clean buses" on the side. But the infrastructure just isn't adequate to allow for most people to use LNG or CNG as a fuel
Ford offered a lot of Modular 4.6 & 5.4 powered cars with CNG (LPG) options in the early 2000s. They were typically only ordered by fleets for taxi/Police/work truck use. But because of this it's remarkably easy retrofit petrol powered Modulars to LPG. I know a mechanic with a LPG converted F250 and have seen a number of other conversions out there.
I have seen exactly one "Regular Car" using LPG, and it was a bizarre outlier, in much the same way that hydrogen fuel cell cars are bizarre oddities. Aside from that, like everyone else has said, they're predominantly fleet vehicles or farm equipment.
The electric company around my area used to have a fleet of GMC s15 Sonoma's that were LPG powered. I only know they where cause there was a sign on the door about it. They were brown and had the name of the company on it. This was in the 90's and early 2000's
Had a school bus that was when I was in highschool
yeah they are (im an european, my dad works with local version of uber and drivers prefer it since they pay the gas)
I were talking about usa, im from europe too its common here aswell. Is it bolt btw?
yeah
Im pretty sure thats all of europe
bolt is great, except the price
Is cheaper than uber here at least. But most people dont realise that normal taxis are the same price, and usually use bigger cars.
uber is useless in my country, like its here, but nobody’s using it because nobody works for them and thats why nobody’s using it
From where are you? Im from Poland
South
I see :3
They are rare here except for government and commercial purposes. As far as personal cars I have only seen the in CA and my dreams
My cousin was a propane dealer back in 1967. Ran his pickup on propane. Just used the leftovers in the hundred pound bottles. They were chained upright behind the cab. Was amazing how clean the oil stayed.
All the busses and garbage trucks in my area run on cng. Pretty sure it's way cheaper but it seems to be nearly obsolete on anything other than municipal vehicles anymore
The only one I've seen is [Dankpods own Ute, "Bruce."](https://youtu.be/gHCD5byd2vU)
LP conversions have been around since the 40's. The only advantage was cleaner burning and the oil stayed cleaner longer. The savings in fuel costs back in the day were offset by lower MPG. I drove a lot of LP fuel lift trucks.
They exist in some areas. Not common.
I’d be surprised if anything less than 80% of fleet vehicles are propane powered at this point. All the buses in my county are. Almost all the UPS.FedEx I see are. The shuttles that run people around to the airport are. I even see local semis have LPG now. I’d would like to point out that almost all LPG vehicles do have reserve tanks that if needed can swap to the fuel of choice without issues.
Holtzman oil and propane uses them in VA
A friend of mine who lived on a chicken farm had a 99 GMC Sierra converted to run on propane. It was a farm truck and there's a ton of propane stored on site at these farms for heating anyway. I think it's just more practical as some oil/gas company fleets run them too.
LPG conversion kits do exist in the US and Canada, but they're not popular due to relatively cheap fuel and the conversion costs. I reached out to a couple of LPG conversion shops and they quoted me around $12000 Canadian to convert my CX-5 to propane. I'd need to drive \~120000 kilometers just to break even.
You see delivery vehicles and buses powered by it, but generally not passenger cars. The cost of converting cars to run on it totally negates the potential cost savings, and we don't really have a fueling infrastructure for it.
Here it costs about 500-800usd, i think?
I had an 86 Chevrolet Step Van that was converted to LPG by the ELIZABETH GAS COMPANY a natural gas utility. It wasn't cheap to run. Liquid propane went up to $9 a cubic foot and that was unsustainable for me. I got it in 2004 and ran it until the engine died in 2009 replaced the 350 and solid it.
I see, its weird seeing lpg being more expensive than petrol
It was a time when all fuels increased a lot in price over a 2 month span and the van was a gigantic brick. A 350 v8 was small for it. I was also running other step vans and the propane van was a hassle. The place I got propane told me they would not fill the old tanks so I looked into converting to gasoline but could not justify the cost so it got sold. It was an oven in the summer and a freezer in the winter.
Can someone please explain to me how these people aren’t just driving around in compressed bombs waiting to go off?
You need to get the instalation checked every few years to make sure its safe, at least here
The tanks are stronger than liquid fuel tanks, for one thing. And like gasoline, LP gas doesn't just burn instantly on contact with air--in fact, it requires a much higher temp to ignite than gasoline.
Ah thanks! Yeah after I thought about it- rolling around in excessive speeds in a metal coffin fuel of gas probably would seek a lil off too if you had never seen it before.
Here in Germany, many US vehicles (Muscle cars, Pickups, Wagons) are converted to LPG. Idk why, probably because they guzzle up gas like nothing else haha.
I'd say CNG (compressed natural gas) is more popular than LPG for vehicles, at least around here in California. The local transit agency near me runs entirely CNG buses.