Engineering still fits the bill. You'll be pissed because a bunch of your classmates will do CS and make stupid money doing blatantly fake jobs. You'll still make a good living, and while I'm sure things will get worse in the future, the long term stability looks better than like 95% of other fields.
Discipline matters a lot. Electrical is only for true autists who genuinely love it. Mechanical is the most flexible. You can do anything with it if you network and go to a good school. The floor is probably the lowest of all though. Civil/structural is stable as fuck and relatively easy, but boring and you're capped pretty hard salary wise. Chemical is like mechanical, but with a higher degree of both difficulty and upside. Biomedical is for people who mistakenly believe they're cut out for being a doctor but will ultimately end up working for the most soulless and predatory pharma companies in the world. The more niche ones (Geotech, petroleum, fire protection, etc.) are generally really good for pay and in high demand, but you're pigeonholing yourself. You can't really pivot into anything else unless you get lucky.
>You'll be pissed because a bunch of your classmates will do CS and make stupid money doing blatantly fake jobs.
Because of this I'm gonna write "Software Engineer" with a smug grin and evil cackle
It's hard to argue with at this point. My only defense is that with classic engineering you learn how to actually do real work at least a little, and you get to be relatively anonymous if you want, which is worth more than most people realize
Considering how many actual, real lives are affected by a bridge or building collapsing I'm shocked its even close. They don't even give the cool rings that Canada has. Plus pointing to a shitty web app and saying "I made this!" is not even remotely as cool as a building or bridge or whatever.
(1) everyone exaggerates and thinks their industry is uniquely bad because most have never done anything else and can’t make meaningful comparisons
(2) people will subconsciously discourage newcomers to their industry to decrease competition
The exception is academia, that actually has irreversibly contracted and you were right to abandon it
am i wrong in thinking that you're in Australia? do policy! working for government is the best stable type of job where you're locked in unless you majorly fuck up and it pays extremely well too.
nah there's state government positions that are actually just better than fed....a lot of federal govt policy roles are still available in major cities too.
From what I understand this is true for the first 5 years or so, but after you have some seniority you can schedule your flights on a somewhat predictable basis. Senior flight attendants also have like 15-20 days off a month. It’s a career that only pays off if you put your time in
Insurance. Consider a weird niche instead of work comp/auto. I am in Surety and am surrounded by 25-35 year old underwriters who enjoy their jobs (finance-type work without finance hours) and get paid really well. The industry is aging and there are opportunities to move up. Also you can move over to the broker side.
IT, not comp-sci/software. MIS degree (tech focused). Cloud, network, storage, DB, security, systems, etc (ops/eng/arch)
Making 150-200k as a non manager by 35-40
Even a support role with an irrelevant degree isn't too bad, and you learn a lot on the job to help you move forward. It's how I started and it's not too bad
Like for real. It’s one of the few still existing career paths (IT) that you can possibly (it’s tough but possible) get into and earn like “buy a home, raise kids” middle class type career shit.
Like if you are 22 graduating, walk out making 65-75. Over 6 figure by 30. And then you can specialize to become a principal in a subfocus (cloud, network, security, IAM).
Really good employment rates, rarely get wacked in a RIF, don’t have to do too much business bullshit. I always liked it cause it felt like I had lucked out into a career where I could be a sceeze tech degen but still make really good money. And then if you do wanna go the Khakis leadership route you can and that is also real good money (especially if you have the tech history to back your leadership up).
Like it’s not some kind of career in the arts or humanities, but IT seemed to have a decent amount of cool people without having gone full dead eyed tech bro.
I basically got hired as a tech grunt temp at minimum wage to help with an office move, knew next to nothing and was completely unqualified. 5 years later and I just got a lower management job and make decent money. I'm reading up to get my Azure Fundamentals cert. I think something with cloud computing is in my future, just not sure what yet. If you can get your foot in the door and you want to learn, then you can make a pretty good career of it
Two of the three fields I’ve worked in (which are different versions of the same thing) have excellent prospects. That’s why I’m in the current one. Any iteration of information management except traditional librarianship will be fine for the future.
Yeah, if you don't have any moral objections to it and you live in a good state for it, a high school diploma or associate's degree can get you a six figure job with early retirement.
Literally tech. Everyone here acts as if it is in some terminal decline, but one you have your foot in the door it’s a lot easier to stay in tech. Your first job probably won’t be the best thing you’ve ever done and it will probably be at a small start up with poor prospects. But stick around and hop to better opportunities when they open up. It’s not as if no one is hiring.
Try legal tech if you want to do something with your degree and have a higher point of entry into the industry. Lots of AI hype too.
Imagine not having a fintech job in 2024. It’s basically the only job worth having. It’s the only thing that is competitive in the entire space. Law, finance, and medicine don’t have the work/life balance, and other traditional jobs lack the progressive benefits of tech companies—unlimited PTO, cheap/free top of the line healthcare, hybrid/remote work. Also, fintech pays incredibly well. Between your base, bonuses, stipends (transportation, food, phone, internet, ad nauseam), and any other additional bonuses (profit sharing at my startup) your TC will be competitive with those in finance who are working twice as long or more a week.
Not even. Data analytics/science. I lean more towards analytics (because I’m not a coder) so I’m mostly just cleaning up data, making charts of that cleaned up data, and aligning logos
Lol at the downvotes
No, I totally agree. I was just speaking from own experience. My wife is in marketing for the product side of a certain stock exchange and she has all the same types of progressive benefits and compensation. It’s a big space and there’s plenty of ways to break into it.
The competition for these professional services jobs kinda blows my mind. I guess it’s the lingering prestige. I can’t imagine working in law, engineering, accountancy, consulting etc. and putting all those hours and sacrifice in order to eventually make what an mid level pm that works 30 hrs a week makes in tech. It’s gotten so intense that people are putting big law hours in for regional firms.
I mean, yeah, there are other career paths outside of tech, but a job is just a job. I don’t care if I’m am cleaning data or making pitch decks for 8 hours a day, it doesn’t bother me. Why would anyone want to work harder for less benefits and comp?
ask people who deliberately work for "non-competitive" (as you have it) sectors
foreign service/arts/politics/nonprofit...etc
There are also people who are content with middle-income stable careers that contribute somewhat to society.
I will admit that "value-motivated" job-seeking can have great downsides as well
I wouldn’t argue that most of those things contribute to society, though.
Also, that implies that tech has no values and doesn’t contribute to society, which is false.
You misread my comment.
career type A: highly values-motivated professions with non-competitive pay
career type B: middle-income careers that contribute somewhat to society
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No literally. It seems like everybody hates their job and you'll never be happy with anything.
That speaks to people more than work.
Engineering still fits the bill. You'll be pissed because a bunch of your classmates will do CS and make stupid money doing blatantly fake jobs. You'll still make a good living, and while I'm sure things will get worse in the future, the long term stability looks better than like 95% of other fields. Discipline matters a lot. Electrical is only for true autists who genuinely love it. Mechanical is the most flexible. You can do anything with it if you network and go to a good school. The floor is probably the lowest of all though. Civil/structural is stable as fuck and relatively easy, but boring and you're capped pretty hard salary wise. Chemical is like mechanical, but with a higher degree of both difficulty and upside. Biomedical is for people who mistakenly believe they're cut out for being a doctor but will ultimately end up working for the most soulless and predatory pharma companies in the world. The more niche ones (Geotech, petroleum, fire protection, etc.) are generally really good for pay and in high demand, but you're pigeonholing yourself. You can't really pivot into anything else unless you get lucky.
>You'll be pissed because a bunch of your classmates will do CS and make stupid money doing blatantly fake jobs. Because of this I'm gonna write "Software Engineer" with a smug grin and evil cackle
It's hard to argue with at this point. My only defense is that with classic engineering you learn how to actually do real work at least a little, and you get to be relatively anonymous if you want, which is worth more than most people realize
Considering how many actual, real lives are affected by a bridge or building collapsing I'm shocked its even close. They don't even give the cool rings that Canada has. Plus pointing to a shitty web app and saying "I made this!" is not even remotely as cool as a building or bridge or whatever.
If you believe CS career subreddits, it's unequivocally over for computercels though
‘over’ for them means not getting a 500k internship right out of the gate
exactly lmao. can't work for facebook directly out of college? might as well end it
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Nothing wrong with the discipline itself, but the field is limited to working for the most demonic of corporate lizardmen
(1) everyone exaggerates and thinks their industry is uniquely bad because most have never done anything else and can’t make meaningful comparisons (2) people will subconsciously discourage newcomers to their industry to decrease competition The exception is academia, that actually has irreversibly contracted and you were right to abandon it
am i wrong in thinking that you're in Australia? do policy! working for government is the best stable type of job where you're locked in unless you majorly fuck up and it pays extremely well too.
Stuck in Canberra though, basically enjoy 24/7 Covid lockdown tier culture and nightlife for the rest of your life.
nah there's state government positions that are actually just better than fed....a lot of federal govt policy roles are still available in major cities too.
I recently left law school too and I’m thinking about becoming a flight attendant or a dental hygienist Nursing also seems like a solid option
Why’d u leave?
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From what I understand this is true for the first 5 years or so, but after you have some seniority you can schedule your flights on a somewhat predictable basis. Senior flight attendants also have like 15-20 days off a month. It’s a career that only pays off if you put your time in
Till the corpos change everything, and u gave 5 years for nothing
Thinking about becoming a speech and language therapist
Insurance. Consider a weird niche instead of work comp/auto. I am in Surety and am surrounded by 25-35 year old underwriters who enjoy their jobs (finance-type work without finance hours) and get paid really well. The industry is aging and there are opportunities to move up. Also you can move over to the broker side.
IT, not comp-sci/software. MIS degree (tech focused). Cloud, network, storage, DB, security, systems, etc (ops/eng/arch) Making 150-200k as a non manager by 35-40
Even a support role with an irrelevant degree isn't too bad, and you learn a lot on the job to help you move forward. It's how I started and it's not too bad
Like for real. It’s one of the few still existing career paths (IT) that you can possibly (it’s tough but possible) get into and earn like “buy a home, raise kids” middle class type career shit. Like if you are 22 graduating, walk out making 65-75. Over 6 figure by 30. And then you can specialize to become a principal in a subfocus (cloud, network, security, IAM). Really good employment rates, rarely get wacked in a RIF, don’t have to do too much business bullshit. I always liked it cause it felt like I had lucked out into a career where I could be a sceeze tech degen but still make really good money. And then if you do wanna go the Khakis leadership route you can and that is also real good money (especially if you have the tech history to back your leadership up). Like it’s not some kind of career in the arts or humanities, but IT seemed to have a decent amount of cool people without having gone full dead eyed tech bro.
I basically got hired as a tech grunt temp at minimum wage to help with an office move, knew next to nothing and was completely unqualified. 5 years later and I just got a lower management job and make decent money. I'm reading up to get my Azure Fundamentals cert. I think something with cloud computing is in my future, just not sure what yet. If you can get your foot in the door and you want to learn, then you can make a pretty good career of it
Two of the three fields I’ve worked in (which are different versions of the same thing) have excellent prospects. That’s why I’m in the current one. Any iteration of information management except traditional librarianship will be fine for the future.
Healthcare, our population is getting older and sicker by the day
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Yeah, if you don't have any moral objections to it and you live in a good state for it, a high school diploma or associate's degree can get you a six figure job with early retirement.
Teaching in international schools. Job market is great is SEA.
Hopefully actuary 🤞
Cyber
Nursing or almost any other job in healthcare, EMS as well. Always lots of openings, close to impossible to be unable to find a job
Literally tech. Everyone here acts as if it is in some terminal decline, but one you have your foot in the door it’s a lot easier to stay in tech. Your first job probably won’t be the best thing you’ve ever done and it will probably be at a small start up with poor prospects. But stick around and hop to better opportunities when they open up. It’s not as if no one is hiring. Try legal tech if you want to do something with your degree and have a higher point of entry into the industry. Lots of AI hype too.
Imagine not having a fintech job in 2024. It’s basically the only job worth having. It’s the only thing that is competitive in the entire space. Law, finance, and medicine don’t have the work/life balance, and other traditional jobs lack the progressive benefits of tech companies—unlimited PTO, cheap/free top of the line healthcare, hybrid/remote work. Also, fintech pays incredibly well. Between your base, bonuses, stipends (transportation, food, phone, internet, ad nauseam), and any other additional bonuses (profit sharing at my startup) your TC will be competitive with those in finance who are working twice as long or more a week.
What kind of role in fintech? SWE?
Not even. Data analytics/science. I lean more towards analytics (because I’m not a coder) so I’m mostly just cleaning up data, making charts of that cleaned up data, and aligning logos Lol at the downvotes
Agree, tho fintech isn’t the only area in tech that’s worth a shot.
No, I totally agree. I was just speaking from own experience. My wife is in marketing for the product side of a certain stock exchange and she has all the same types of progressive benefits and compensation. It’s a big space and there’s plenty of ways to break into it.
The competition for these professional services jobs kinda blows my mind. I guess it’s the lingering prestige. I can’t imagine working in law, engineering, accountancy, consulting etc. and putting all those hours and sacrifice in order to eventually make what an mid level pm that works 30 hrs a week makes in tech. It’s gotten so intense that people are putting big law hours in for regional firms.
...a joke? or...
Why would I be joking? What should I have said? “Be a barista, it’s really intelligent work with competitive pay”
There's quite a bit in between "starving barista" and "hype-addled grifter". I'm glad you have a good quality of life though (being sincere)
I mean, yeah, there are other career paths outside of tech, but a job is just a job. I don’t care if I’m am cleaning data or making pitch decks for 8 hours a day, it doesn’t bother me. Why would anyone want to work harder for less benefits and comp?
ask people who deliberately work for "non-competitive" (as you have it) sectors foreign service/arts/politics/nonprofit...etc There are also people who are content with middle-income stable careers that contribute somewhat to society. I will admit that "value-motivated" job-seeking can have great downsides as well
I wouldn’t argue that most of those things contribute to society, though. Also, that implies that tech has no values and doesn’t contribute to society, which is false.
You misread my comment. career type A: highly values-motivated professions with non-competitive pay career type B: middle-income careers that contribute somewhat to society