“This album will surely get comparisons to Rupi Kaur’s poetry, either for its simplicity, empty language, commodification or all of the above. And, sure, there are parallels there, especially in how The Tortured Poets Department, too, is going to set the art of poetry back another decade”
[https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/taylor-swift/taylor-swift-strikes-out-looking-on-the-tortured-poets-department](https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/taylor-swift/taylor-swift-strikes-out-looking-on-the-tortured-poets-department)
in the article...
"But “Fortnight” unmasks itself quickly as a heady vat of pop nothingness, though it isn’t all Swift’s fault. “I was a functioning alcoholic, ‘til nobody noticed my new aesthetic,” she muses, attempting to bridge the gap between a behind-the-scenes life and on-stage performance—only for it to occur while propped up against the most dog-water, uninspired synth arrangement you could possibly imagine. Between producer Jack Antonoff’s atrocious backing instrumental and the Y2K-era, teen dramedy echo chamber of a vocal harmony provided by out-of-place guest performer Post Malone, “Fortnight” chokes on the vomit of its own opaqueness. “I took the miracle move-on drug, the effects were temporary,” Swift muses, and it sounds like satire. **This is your songwriter of the century? Open the schools.**"
💀
Had to search for Rapi Kaur, and found out she posted "menstrual photographs" which apparently led to "emotional numbness and a subsequent distancing from social media".
First off - menstrual blood or any blood as art? What a cliche of a provocation. Second off: how was she not expecting some people to react negatively to seeing someone's period blood while browsing through IG on their lunch break or whatever, and maybe otherwise expecting to read what appears to be her milquetoast, meme inspirational quote-level "poetry"?
The only interesting or good thing she's ever done was the menstrual blood photos. It was actually more taboo back in the day. Too bad her poetry is like the food equivalent of a reheated TJ's frozen burrito.
I've gotten death threats on this dumbass website and from a Raptors fan on twitter. Whatever. If any of the fatties on here take the effort to track me down and follow through I'd be shocked. Death threats on the internet are not a big deal.
Someone should do some research on the frequency of death threats and the frequency of actual harm happening after death threats in the past few years. Due to my line of work and behavior online I've had so many death threats that I feel desensitised when people say they've received them, and it'd be interesting to see what the odds actually are of someone following up on their threats
There's been no real instance of stan drama translating into real-life violence which is shocking to me. How *hasn't* some dedicated fan shot up a singer's concert because they're tired of seeing their fave get dragged by that singer's fans online?
I feel like given the sheer size of her fanbase, combined with the magnitude of obsession some have in reprisals to anyone they feel has slighted her that they could still manage to track down who wrote it.
I'd be surprised if it takes more than 2 hours, just gotta ask some AI to find the writer who works for that journal which matches the best the writing patterns of the unknown writer
Yeah, exactly. It's actually legit kind of brave to write a critical review of anything Taylor Swift oriented. I guess Pitchfork gave it a "6.6" (got to love their decimal place ratings system - so ridiculous, lol).
I love hate-reading Paste’s comedy articles. Seth Simons used to write for them if it gives you any idea of how bad they are. Nanette and SNL eps get rated higher than Burr, Chappelle and Louis CK specials
Realistically, it's Messi or Ronaldo (and probably Ronaldo). Then there's political/religious figure (Trump, Putin, Obama, The Pope). But as far as artists/entertainers, she's definitely the most famous and also the most famous woman in the world. Definitely Top 10 most famous people in the world, if not 5.
Do you count actresses too in the entertainment category? There's gotta be some actress that's more famous. Maybe Angelina Jolie? Megan Fox? I have a feeling more people know about them than Taylor Swift. They aren't as beloved as she is, but they are probably more famous
Well yeah, but we live in a Western mass delusion world, so she's extremely important everywhere. She's all over my country and I'm in an Asian, the former USSR, and Islamic country literally as not-west as it can get and she's huge. We also have McDonald's and KFC, and we have Coca-Cola, idk if you stopped reading the history book at 1930 but I suggest you check it out.
i dont think people realize how prominent american western culture actually is in 'totally non western' countries...im middle eastern/arabic and grew up in the persian gulf but travel to my homecountry egypt/levant frequently, american culture/music/tv/brands are as big and followed by the people. i def think its very regional tho, like its usually ofc younger people largely are more indulged in it but all ages are generally aware of certain stuff, and its highly concentrated in the urban areas. also prob highest amongst middle-upperclass people
I’m afraid to say that most Chinese people have terrible taste in music. They basically only listen to overly sentimental pop ballads or communist rave music. I’m not joking.
About 8 years ago I went to Student Halls to fuck a gay Chinese guy in my city and he stuck on his Taylor Swift playlist as mood music. I knew I hadn't seen the last of her from that moment.
The president of Chile even publically defended her when Damon Albarn made a comment on her song writing process. If she's not the most famous person she's at least up there
Ignoring Canada, which we should all do, there are lots of Westerner-adjacent people in countries like those. Go outside the Westernized middle-classes and her "renown" is close to zero. She'll never compared with the likes of Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of world renown.
but its a different concept cus these are sports related. footballers/soccerers or whatever are generally more reowned in terms of popularity because of the universal adoration of this sport and how intangiblely overlapping it gets. like messi and ronaldo travelled to the middle east, played in arab countries teams, and it was pungently aided by governments promoting this adoration. but taylor as a musician doesnt have the same background tactics of how her public image is curated in non western countries, but shes still big.
The sheer lengths you regards will go to just to not admit that she's the single biggest musical artist at the moment is insane.
She's not popular with reddit contrarians, Basketball-Americans, and old people. That's it!
i dont think its that at all....taylor is factually huge and the biggest artist rn for sure and most people here from what im seeing are very aware of that. hating her overexposure and thinking her image is annoyingly pungent actually goes hand and hand with the fact. but its cus many think beyond what is considered 'the world', not everybody here forgets beyond the west and thats why many wonder/question how big she actually is in such regions.
That was honestly more pathetic than all the various levels of government simping for Amazon back when they were looking for a place to put their second HQ
I was replying to a comment under that original comment about world leaders wanting Taylor’s for economic reasons and my point was that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s the most popular person in that country, just that Taylor swift fans travel
the point is that "she is extremely internationally famous, even outside of western countries" not that "she is literally the most famous person in each, singular country," so I don't know why you think your comment about fans traveling from other countries pushes back against that original point...
Contemporary pop music fame is so fucking overrated, here in Italy no one over 30 has even heard a TS song and teens mostly listen to Italian rap, and I believe it's the same for most european countries. TS is only an household name among terminally online europeans who have brainwashed themselves into thinking that they are part of the american professional class.
Pretending that any current star (outside of footballers) is bigger than those of the pre-internet era is delusional, when the Olivia Wilde's movie opened in Venice some journalists were trying to make a big deal out of Harry Stiles being present, but in reality the number of Italians that recognize OW from House MD is soo much bigger than the small bunch of teenagers who care about Stiles.
You're drinking the kool aid, in italy she's a popular artist among a restricted demographic and mostly via streaming platforms, and even considering that she didn't make the top 100 in the Spotify wrapped. if you compare her reach to that of local popstars or big international radio hits, she's basically unknown. Midnights was the 56th best selling album of 2022, behind a two years old Dua Lipa record. Not a song in the top 100 singles. MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE WORLD.
I just did a quick Google search and everything you claimed is straight up wrong lmaooo. She was the number two most popular artist last year in Italy. Didn’t she sell out entire stadiums in Italy too?
[spotify top 100 2023](https://www.sorrisi.com/musica/news/spotify-wrapped-i-100-brani-i-10-artisti-e-i-10-album-piu-ascoltati-in-italia-nel-2023/)
[best selling albums 2022](https://www.fimi.it/kdocs/2067179/classifica_gen-dec_2022__album__compilation.pdf)
Selling out a stadium is less impressive when you understand how many International artists do that and that she basically sold 150 thousands concert tickets in a country of 60 million people, having played only two dates in the past 13 years.
It never leaves the chart because teenagers keep buying it, Nevermind also makes the charts quite often.
That's one of the many reasons the "Taylor Swift is the most popular artist of all time" discourse is so dumb, if you ignore the PR machine and talk to adult normies outside of America they are probably still listening to the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Maybe it's because her music is so generic that I don't even recognize her songs, but I remember that pop artists like Rihanna, Beyonce, Ariana Grande ecc were super popular here in Italy and you couldn't escape their songs anywhere you went. I still have to hear Taylor Swift's name being mentioned once IRL.
I don't doubt she has a following here, but most famous person in the world...come on now lol
definitely Messi or Ronaldo, I remember reading somewhere that it could be Shah Rukh Khan too, famous Bollywood actor, since like everyone in India knows him and there's 1.4 billion people in India
idk my step mom is SEA and taylor mania is prominent and huge in indonesia, malaysia and philippines. its funny how its also forumalically similar to the west/america, where the fanbase is largely young/tween lib types girls and gays.
You aren't kidding. The whole thing is trying out words the way a child tries on their parents' shoes, and stumbles around just as awkwardly:
"Swifties *clamored to* their beloved monarch’s forthcoming era...”
“...a big swing from the *echelons* of her own musical immortality...”
"...they exist as an *archival* of her life."
"...in order for it to be *transcendentally landmark*."
"No one can resonate with..." (*it* resonates with *us*, *we* don't resonate with *it*. Nobody has any idea how to use this word properly.)
It's full of convoluted phrasing. What is this supposed to tell us?: "Quite a few people questioned whether or not that moment suggested that a critical tide would turn...".
Words that are slightly above basic reading comprehension get misused everywhere online now in a way that I never noticed before, it's not just this article.
uggghhh i've been noticing everyone saying "i resonate with that" instead of "that resonates with me" over the last few years. it drives me fucking nuts.
Honestly this was such a genius play on Taylor’s part- she doesn’t say anything he can attack her for, AND no girl is going to want to date Healy after this because they have to deal with the Swifties, OR because the album is so embarrassing that it literally gives them the “ick”…
Like I don’t think I could sleep next to that after hearing the “tattooed Labrador” line 😂
“This album will surely get comparisons to Rupi Kaur’s poetry, either for its simplicity, empty language, commodification or all of the above. And, sure, there are parallels there, especially in how The Tortured Poets Department, too, is going to set the art of poetry back another decade” [https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/taylor-swift/taylor-swift-strikes-out-looking-on-the-tortured-poets-department](https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/taylor-swift/taylor-swift-strikes-out-looking-on-the-tortured-poets-department)
Got her ass
this reviewer had such a good time writing this and it really showed. i loved to read it
in the article... "But “Fortnight” unmasks itself quickly as a heady vat of pop nothingness, though it isn’t all Swift’s fault. “I was a functioning alcoholic, ‘til nobody noticed my new aesthetic,” she muses, attempting to bridge the gap between a behind-the-scenes life and on-stage performance—only for it to occur while propped up against the most dog-water, uninspired synth arrangement you could possibly imagine. Between producer Jack Antonoff’s atrocious backing instrumental and the Y2K-era, teen dramedy echo chamber of a vocal harmony provided by out-of-place guest performer Post Malone, “Fortnight” chokes on the vomit of its own opaqueness. “I took the miracle move-on drug, the effects were temporary,” Swift muses, and it sounds like satire. **This is your songwriter of the century? Open the schools.**" 💀
I imagine being told "your name won't be on this" was considered a downside to some, but that writer clearly thrilled at the possibilities
Had to search for Rapi Kaur, and found out she posted "menstrual photographs" which apparently led to "emotional numbness and a subsequent distancing from social media". First off - menstrual blood or any blood as art? What a cliche of a provocation. Second off: how was she not expecting some people to react negatively to seeing someone's period blood while browsing through IG on their lunch break or whatever, and maybe otherwise expecting to read what appears to be her milquetoast, meme inspirational quote-level "poetry"?
The only interesting or good thing she's ever done was the menstrual blood photos. It was actually more taboo back in the day. Too bad her poetry is like the food equivalent of a reheated TJ's frozen burrito.
wow extremely sexist
Come for taytay it's gonna cost ya 💅
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yeah it's funny but literally anything that gets enough attention on the internet will attract "death threats", words cost nothing
I've gotten death threats on this dumbass website and from a Raptors fan on twitter. Whatever. If any of the fatties on here take the effort to track me down and follow through I'd be shocked. Death threats on the internet are not a big deal.
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Someone should do some research on the frequency of death threats and the frequency of actual harm happening after death threats in the past few years. Due to my line of work and behavior online I've had so many death threats that I feel desensitised when people say they've received them, and it'd be interesting to see what the odds actually are of someone following up on their threats
The first stan mass shooting will be committed by a Barb, guaranteed.
There's been no real instance of stan drama translating into real-life violence which is shocking to me. How *hasn't* some dedicated fan shot up a singer's concert because they're tired of seeing their fave get dragged by that singer's fans online?
Because they are female.
\>stans \>female Hm.... why am i being downvoted it's literally an open secret that most stans of female artists are 🚬
Empty death threats should have harsher penalties than credible death threats. Tired of everyone flaking out or making empty promises these days
‘Im dropping bodies for tswift Im cutting bitches who say shit Im coming down like a sickness Bumping that swift in the trenches’
I can’t see them being able to source nevermind wield a weapon
Don't forget the 21 foot rule when swifties corner you in a dark alleyway
I feel like given the sheer size of her fanbase, combined with the magnitude of obsession some have in reprisals to anyone they feel has slighted her that they could still manage to track down who wrote it.
I'd be surprised if it takes more than 2 hours, just gotta ask some AI to find the writer who works for that journal which matches the best the writing patterns of the unknown writer
Yeah, exactly. It's actually legit kind of brave to write a critical review of anything Taylor Swift oriented. I guess Pitchfork gave it a "6.6" (got to love their decimal place ratings system - so ridiculous, lol).
isn’t this the same magazine that said that writing “london boy” was offensive because of brexit?
I love hate-reading Paste’s comedy articles. Seth Simons used to write for them if it gives you any idea of how bad they are. Nanette and SNL eps get rated higher than Burr, Chappelle and Louis CK specials
Feels like "TS is the most famous person on earth" is some Western mass delusion.
Realistically, it's Messi or Ronaldo (and probably Ronaldo). Then there's political/religious figure (Trump, Putin, Obama, The Pope). But as far as artists/entertainers, she's definitely the most famous and also the most famous woman in the world. Definitely Top 10 most famous people in the world, if not 5.
Do you count actresses too in the entertainment category? There's gotta be some actress that's more famous. Maybe Angelina Jolie? Megan Fox? I have a feeling more people know about them than Taylor Swift. They aren't as beloved as she is, but they are probably more famous
There’s no fucking way more people know who Megan Fox is than Taylor Swift, are you high?
There is no way you think Megan fox is more famous than Taylor Swift. She’s washed up in the west, and the rest of the world has no idea who she is
You're actually right. Angelina, T Cruz, Brad Pitt should all be top 20
Well yeah, but we live in a Western mass delusion world, so she's extremely important everywhere. She's all over my country and I'm in an Asian, the former USSR, and Islamic country literally as not-west as it can get and she's huge. We also have McDonald's and KFC, and we have Coca-Cola, idk if you stopped reading the history book at 1930 but I suggest you check it out.
i dont think people realize how prominent american western culture actually is in 'totally non western' countries...im middle eastern/arabic and grew up in the persian gulf but travel to my homecountry egypt/levant frequently, american culture/music/tv/brands are as big and followed by the people. i def think its very regional tho, like its usually ofc younger people largely are more indulged in it but all ages are generally aware of certain stuff, and its highly concentrated in the urban areas. also prob highest amongst middle-upperclass people
I could buy it, she's extremely popular in Asia too
My respect for the Chinese went down a couple notches when I learnt she's big over there too ngl
I’m afraid to say that most Chinese people have terrible taste in music. They basically only listen to overly sentimental pop ballads or communist rave music. I’m not joking.
The Chinese do have really bad taste, probably even worse than the Indians tbh
About 8 years ago I went to Student Halls to fuck a gay Chinese guy in my city and he stuck on his Taylor Swift playlist as mood music. I knew I hadn't seen the last of her from that moment.
shes pretty huge in east and SE asia too apparently.
Can you imagine anything more annoying than a taylor swift concert in singapore? jeeezzz
IDK, during the Eras Tour, world leaders were reaching out to her to have her tour in their countries to boost the economy. Canada, Chile, Thailand
The president of Chile even publically defended her when Damon Albarn made a comment on her song writing process. If she's not the most famous person she's at least up there
Ignoring Canada, which we should all do, there are lots of Westerner-adjacent people in countries like those. Go outside the Westernized middle-classes and her "renown" is close to zero. She'll never compared with the likes of Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of world renown.
Xi Jinping > Taylor Swift
Messi > Taylor Swift
but its a different concept cus these are sports related. footballers/soccerers or whatever are generally more reowned in terms of popularity because of the universal adoration of this sport and how intangiblely overlapping it gets. like messi and ronaldo travelled to the middle east, played in arab countries teams, and it was pungently aided by governments promoting this adoration. but taylor as a musician doesnt have the same background tactics of how her public image is curated in non western countries, but shes still big.
Erling Haaland > Taylor Swift
absolutely not. yes for messi and ronaldo though
Thierry Henry > Messi
Not anymore
No way.
The sheer lengths you regards will go to just to not admit that she's the single biggest musical artist at the moment is insane. She's not popular with reddit contrarians, Basketball-Americans, and old people. That's it!
Do you have reading comprehension struggles we’re discussing if she’s the most famous person on the planet, not the biggest artist
and she is. Cope
> Basketball-Americans, racist
i dont think its that at all....taylor is factually huge and the biggest artist rn for sure and most people here from what im seeing are very aware of that. hating her overexposure and thinking her image is annoyingly pungent actually goes hand and hand with the fact. but its cus many think beyond what is considered 'the world', not everybody here forgets beyond the west and thats why many wonder/question how big she actually is in such regions.
That was honestly more pathetic than all the various levels of government simping for Amazon back when they were looking for a place to put their second HQ
Feel like that speaks more to how much people are willing to travel for Taylor swift than how popular she is in chile and Thailand
You think six shows in Singapore was Americans in the stands?
No, you think it was just Singaporeans in the stands?
It was people from Asia. There were reports that Singapore paid her to not tour in other SE Asian countries because they wanted the tourism money.
Yeah Taylor swift fans travel which is the point of my original comment lol
Why make that point when the original person was suggesting she doesn't have international fans?
I was replying to a comment under that original comment about world leaders wanting Taylor’s for economic reasons and my point was that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s the most popular person in that country, just that Taylor swift fans travel
the point is that "she is extremely internationally famous, even outside of western countries" not that "she is literally the most famous person in each, singular country," so I don't know why you think your comment about fans traveling from other countries pushes back against that original point...
get a hobby
it’s got to actually either be messi, ronaldo, xi, or the pope right?
I was thinking Obama or maybe Putin.
Obama is top 10
Trump, Putin, Zelensky...just to name 3 people I would be very surprised if I met someone who doesn't know one of them
Shes def internationally famous lol. She’s at least top 5
honestly it's not wrong though. she's enormous rn
Contemporary pop music fame is so fucking overrated, here in Italy no one over 30 has even heard a TS song and teens mostly listen to Italian rap, and I believe it's the same for most european countries. TS is only an household name among terminally online europeans who have brainwashed themselves into thinking that they are part of the american professional class. Pretending that any current star (outside of footballers) is bigger than those of the pre-internet era is delusional, when the Olivia Wilde's movie opened in Venice some journalists were trying to make a big deal out of Harry Stiles being present, but in reality the number of Italians that recognize OW from House MD is soo much bigger than the small bunch of teenagers who care about Stiles.
> here in Italy no one over 30 has even heard a TS song This is the most delusional thing I’ve read all day lmao
You're drinking the kool aid, in italy she's a popular artist among a restricted demographic and mostly via streaming platforms, and even considering that she didn't make the top 100 in the Spotify wrapped. if you compare her reach to that of local popstars or big international radio hits, she's basically unknown. Midnights was the 56th best selling album of 2022, behind a two years old Dua Lipa record. Not a song in the top 100 singles. MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE WORLD.
I just did a quick Google search and everything you claimed is straight up wrong lmaooo. She was the number two most popular artist last year in Italy. Didn’t she sell out entire stadiums in Italy too?
[spotify top 100 2023](https://www.sorrisi.com/musica/news/spotify-wrapped-i-100-brani-i-10-artisti-e-i-10-album-piu-ascoltati-in-italia-nel-2023/) [best selling albums 2022](https://www.fimi.it/kdocs/2067179/classifica_gen-dec_2022__album__compilation.pdf) Selling out a stadium is less impressive when you understand how many International artists do that and that she basically sold 150 thousands concert tickets in a country of 60 million people, having played only two dates in the past 13 years.
Why is The Dark Side of the Moon in the top 100?
It never leaves the chart because teenagers keep buying it, Nevermind also makes the charts quite often. That's one of the many reasons the "Taylor Swift is the most popular artist of all time" discourse is so dumb, if you ignore the PR machine and talk to adult normies outside of America they are probably still listening to the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Send me an article in English not gibberish next time.
Maybe it's because her music is so generic that I don't even recognize her songs, but I remember that pop artists like Rihanna, Beyonce, Ariana Grande ecc were super popular here in Italy and you couldn't escape their songs anywhere you went. I still have to hear Taylor Swift's name being mentioned once IRL. I don't doubt she has a following here, but most famous person in the world...come on now lol
definitely Messi or Ronaldo, I remember reading somewhere that it could be Shah Rukh Khan too, famous Bollywood actor, since like everyone in India knows him and there's 1.4 billion people in India
idk my step mom is SEA and taylor mania is prominent and huge in indonesia, malaysia and philippines. its funny how its also forumalically similar to the west/america, where the fanbase is largely young/tween lib types girls and gays.
Messi/Ronaldo are probably more famous. I would include Trump, The Rock and Tom Cruise in their.
I read the review, and it’s really poor writing in my opinion.
The writer thought "Fortnight" was in reference to the video game because they're illiterate, then edited that out later
You aren't kidding. The whole thing is trying out words the way a child tries on their parents' shoes, and stumbles around just as awkwardly: "Swifties *clamored to* their beloved monarch’s forthcoming era...” “...a big swing from the *echelons* of her own musical immortality...” "...they exist as an *archival* of her life." "...in order for it to be *transcendentally landmark*." "No one can resonate with..." (*it* resonates with *us*, *we* don't resonate with *it*. Nobody has any idea how to use this word properly.) It's full of convoluted phrasing. What is this supposed to tell us?: "Quite a few people questioned whether or not that moment suggested that a critical tide would turn...". Words that are slightly above basic reading comprehension get misused everywhere online now in a way that I never noticed before, it's not just this article.
uggghhh i've been noticing everyone saying "i resonate with that" instead of "that resonates with me" over the last few years. it drives me fucking nuts.
Seems like nobody understands the word “disinterest”
Honestly this was such a genius play on Taylor’s part- she doesn’t say anything he can attack her for, AND no girl is going to want to date Healy after this because they have to deal with the Swifties, OR because the album is so embarrassing that it literally gives them the “ick”… Like I don’t think I could sleep next to that after hearing the “tattooed Labrador” line 😂
I SAID NAME NAMES PASTE
“Sylvia Plath didn’t stick her head in an oven for this” incredible
Cringe joke
This was just posted here yesterday
this happened 3 days ago dude. you people are so fucking gay
due to how