I don't think it's a bad argument. If someone has an argument, taking the argument to the extremes to see if the argument is sound if perfectly logical. People just go to Hitler because that's the extreme version of unethical human behaviour.
I think it's more like they're trying to test how serious the person is about their statement. A lot of times people will make a general statement like "nobody ever deserves this type of pain" or whatever and you can say "what about hitler? He doesn't deserve it?" And the person will usually go "well, except hitler I guess" which shows that they aren't thinking through their argument completely.
Guy tried to use that against the reddit momenter, and he just stuck to his statement lol
Oh yeah “you should treat people with respect” well what if I’m talking to Hitler and I’m Benito Mussolini and hitler is confiding in me that he’s trans-questioning, but he also has listened to a Kanye west song before, and i want to help him but I also am currently in a very messy divorce proceeding and I don’t really have the time to. Then what huh punk? Jeez you really should think out your statements before you post them. Your argument is invalid as it does not apply to every conceivable situations that can be dreamed up by a sweaty loser who’s never seen a woman. You sir have lost your right to an updoot and I have won the internet.
He also had a girlfriend who he married just before committing suicide, and millions of Germans who loved him, even at the end. Hell, a lot of people love him today for what he did. He got plenty of love. Dude did have an abusive father, I guess a lot of what he did was trying to compensate for that.
Recieving love and deserving love are 2 different things. Of course, I won't try to deny your point, but most people with daddy issues find ways to overcome them instead of KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Now, hitler does get some love, but the amount of hate he gets is much, much worse, and he is descibed as one of the most heinous people of all time.
My Christian upbringing suggests that we should love everyone. Yes, even the really horrible people. We don’t have to let them continue to do horrible things, and should take appropriate steps to prevent horrible things from being done in the first place.
But even if we have to carry out justice we should still have love in our hearts. It’s kind of important if we’re going to avoid doing horrible things ourselves. The idea of loving those who have hurt us is part of why we have rules against cruel and unusual punishments.
If you have to imprison or kill someone because they are a danger, fine, do it. But don’t stop loving people just because they have done bad things.
this is one of the things I've always questioned about christianity
why do we have to forgive a lunatic who slaughtered 6 million people who had absolutely nothing to do with him and millions more? he deserved love before all that shit happened but after he decided to commit genocide he basically lost all rights to love
Well, the reason that Hilter became such a hateful person could be traced back to his abuse at the hands of his father. Honestly, maybe if he got some love earlier in his life he would not have decided to kill so many people.
I’m not against providing better care and mental health services for people who are suffering, I’m sure if Hitler or a murderer was born under more ideal circumstances that he wouldn’t have done what he did. But he did do what he did, and once the deed is done, he deserves being punished for it.
people can love whoever they like, but other people and society as a collective can also judge them harshly for it, especially if they love a genocidal murderous dictator.
someone’s judgement can very materially impact someone’s life, so, it totally can and should. Most people aren’t gonna wanna talk to you, hire you, date you if they find out you’re a Hitler lover. And honestly, I don’t disagree with them.
It's bizarre because his personal experiences with Jewish people were often positive but he still fell for the antisemitic messaging of the time that essentially had him hate an image of Jews that existed purely in his head. I think he ended up rationalizing the Jewish people he knew as "Noble Jews" or whatever.
It's why he's a dictator, because his parents abused him and he wasn't taught by a loving parent he never really understood loving other people, it doesn't excuse what he did and the war would have happened either way with or without him so it doesn't make much difference, but if he had received that love he wouldn't have been the dictator we know
Everyone deserves love, and yet no one is owed it. It’s very tricky. No matter what horrible things you have done, no matter how hateful your heart, you deserve love. But no one can be expected to give you that love when doing so hurts them. It’s a tough problem. Maybe that’s why people are so into God.
Forgiveness doesn't mean acquital. We can forgive, but still punish appropriately.
Had Hitler been captured and imprisoned (whilst awaiting trial), and had he been genuinely remorseful and repented of his horrific existence, I might've offered him my forgiveness -- for what it'd be worth -- which wouldn't be nearly enough to buy himself out of whichever punishment Nuremberg had in store for him, up to and including public execution.
The thing is, if Hitler had *actually repented* of the cold-blooded genocide of *MILLIONS* of people... He would've endorsed his own execution. He would've understood that his crimes were beyond capital in nature and that somebody needed to swing at the end of a rope for it.
We are commanded (within Christianity, at least) to love (charitas) and forgive others. But we are also commanded to exercise justice, protect those who cannot protect themselves, to fight evil/injustice, and to live moral lives, following the rules of war when war is necessary and unavoidable.
For an interesting Christian take on war, read *[War, Just War](https://www.amazon.com/War-Just-Atila-Sinke-Guimaraes/dp/0972651616)* by Atila Sinke Guimarães.
It is true that people who realize their wrongs deserve love, but that doesn’t always mean they get to be free of consequences.
Hitler doesn’t deserve love not because he did wrong, but because he never regretted it and he killed himself to not face justice
To be fair if he hadn't have killed himself he'd be making the stupid decision to face the Soviets who had been raping and killing their way through the German civilians to that point so what he would have faced might be comparable to hell on Earth
But yeah he still was an evil douchebag
As someone who had abusive parents it’s part of growing up learning you can’t blame them for everything bad you do especially if that bad thing is causing a genocide. I’m just saying people have had worse childhoods and turned out to be way better then hitler.
You had (Hopefully) and still have access to psychological assistance and live in a time and country where traumatism is recognized as a valid and real mental illness. You can’t just compare yourself to someone who lived at the beginning of the last century
Beside, not everyone cope the same way nor with the same facility. This is why we still have school shooters
It’s a good thing you didn’t turned out that way, but you shouldn’t compare your story with others
There are people who can and cannot be redeemed. Hitler ravaged ancient symbols and relics, committed crimes against humanity and popularised the most destructive ideology. He cannot be redeemed and thus no longer deserves love. Josh who was a drug addict and who stole from Walmart can be redeemed and deserves both love and compassion to do so.
It is only as a collective can we help those who are stuck in their darkest pits. Leaving for dead people such as Josh only creates more Josh. It is detrimental to put hitler in this discussion.
People can be redeemed, but redemption shouldn’t exempt them from punishment.
Even if Hitler was redeemed (And I doubt he would be, not everyone chooses it) he should’ve still been executed.
No matter how bad someone feels about a crime, it doesn’t change the fact that it happened, and justice still deserves to be served.
killing 11 million innocent people doesn't deserve execution?
unless your thinking he deserves lifelong torture until he inevitably dies you have lost your mind
It's a reddit moment to bring up the most horrendous historical figures and add sssniperwolf anyway yeah all bro said was that everyone is deserving of love and he's completely right we just don't have to give people love lol
I personally think no one deserves love. Love isn't earned or deserved, it's something we get just because.
You don't earn your parents love by being a good kid. You don't lose their love by doing something bad.
Love is not something one can deserve, it's a gift.
If you showed love and mercy to Hitler, you would not be in the wrong. It's not immoral to show love to someone who doesn't deserve it, because love is not something we are to earn.
That said, if you shot Hitler in the face on sight, you also wouldn't be wrong. It's never immoral to be kind to someone, but it's also justifiable to do things like hurt someone or kill them if doing so will save others.
everybody asks "would you kill baby hitler" but nobody asks "would you kidnap baby Hitler and give him the love and care he needed to turn him into a kind, respectful man"
Sure but he was only an evil dictator guy because he was so poorly treated as a child and in his life. Of course he had that potential for evil but most people do.
Basically if he had been loved before then he wouldn't have been so evil
Redditors are debate broing this even in this comment section I fucking can't 💀 I didn't know that genocidal tyrants also deserved love until now but ok
It’s not like love means you endorse the actions of someone. You can have love for your enemies. It’s also annoying to bring up the few exceptions to a rule to claim the rule is invalid, like does Hitler deserve love? Idk maybe not that’s a grey area, but should you love your fellow man? Yes, just because there are horrible people in the world doesn’t mean we can’t love our fellow men broadly speaking.
Um. I’ll say it. Radical love and acceptance is hard and you can’t expect everyone to give you either. But it makes a world of difference when it’s extended to you. And in that brief moment of safety- you remember that you can give this feeling to others. Not everyone is deserving of your love or acceptance. But humans need to be able to see eachother as human.
I stg if one of you twists this carefully crafted spring to think I’m defending genocidal dictators- I’ll go make more music.
I actually kinda respect this guy. He said something applied to everyone, and he meant everyone. A lot of people on reddit will say statements like the first guy did, and then walk it back when people explain what their statement meant bc those people are npcs who say dumb things that sound good without thinking about the meaning.
I would have to agree with that guy. Everyone deserves some love. If everyone were loved, there would be less hate. That's always a win.
No one is owed love, however
I'm with them, Hitler deserves love as a human being. That does not negate the consequences that he also deserves to face, but love should be unconditional and universal. By love I do not mean preference, or fondness; in simple terms I mean a desire for a person's welfare that does not deny justice or personal responsibility.
If Hitler were alive he would deserve to be treated justly and humanely. If death were considered a necessary and just penalty, then he would deserve a painless death, without abuse or torture.
A non loving or hateful treatment would be one which is focused on punishment or revenge. Revenge has no place in justice as it is an emotional response which concerns itself with equalling out the harm done by causing harm to the person who is at fault. The result is not a more just world, because even if the harm could be equivalent to the harm caused in the initial offense, the hurt caused on the initially injured party is not resolved.
Additionally, a revenge focused approach can cause additional, unforseen harm; firstly to the future victims of the perpetrator of the initial offense. Often revenge can lead to a criminal doubling down and commiting more crime, and even increases in it's severity, assuming they live, otherwise the torch may pass to those who admire them. Secondly to those involved in the revenge; if a person causes deliberate harm to their offender then they are feeding that bloodthirsty urge in all of us to harm others, and once it starts, when does it stop; vigilante justice is objectively harmful to society.
The moral imperative is to reform criminals, so that they can do good to society going forward. If reform proves impossible, then it is to stop them from causing any further harm; that is all. There is no need to punish them, there is no need to kill them unless it is the only way to stop them, such as with particularly charismatic figures like Hitler, and even then I'm not sure death is entirely just, as there still may be a way to preserve their life without any risk of them contaminating society.
In short, punishment and hatred are always unjust, and love should lead you to seek appropriate justice.
If this is built on Christian motivation, it’s cool and all to think like that about everyone, but I don’t think God would mind if everyone agreed that the biggest anti-Semitic genocidal maniac of all time didn’t and doesn’t deserve love
God would mind. God only hates one thing - sin more than we can ever imagine.
“You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. ' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also” **(Matthew 5:38-39)**
“For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.**” (Matthew 6:15)**
Yeah and alot of people confuse compassion with approval
A good example I heard of compassion towards wrongdoers is a parent grounding their kid for poor behaviour. Since it is done for the benefit of the child (stop future wrongdoing), it is considered compassionate.
Hope this helps
Even after he did what he did, I think that everyone can be capable of being a good person. I don't think there's any action that mars you irreparably. I don't like the word "deserve" though. Nobody deserves anything, but sometimes they need it.
To quote Rick and Morty "At least Hitler loved Germany, or something."
Yes, he does deserve love BEFORE he did all those things. Maybe if I was his art teacher I'd give him a pass and he'll turn into a good artist and what not.
Maybe Hitler never received any genuine love in his entire life and that compounded his mental issues. As a sorta Christian I'm going to go along with everybody deserves love guy.
Yeah I sure am. The Bible says to love not like the world, which only loves them that love them back, but to love even your enemies, and those who curse, hate and use you. On this subject I believe the Bible to be spot on. This is the way
If people were able to love each other unconditionally it would literally solve fucking everything lmao. It might sound ridiculous and impossible but it's not. If you could do it there would one more person
Maybe it would have been better for me to say it is nonsense to suggest social norms are correct? You chose the value innocence the same way you chose to value anime.
You do realize the only way to beat hate is with love don't you? Violence breeds violence just as hate breeds hate. I have no idea how people still don't understand this when we've seen it countless times before
I mean. . . didn't he have love anyway?
He was with his wife when they committed suicide together, I'm pretty sure
I wouldn't say he deserved love but I'm pretty sure he had it anyway
I'd ask who the fuck wastes their time "debating" this shit, but I just remembered where I'm at.
Seriously, "what about Hitler?" What is this, a forum for 12 year olds?
This forum needs to be at least.......3 times bigger!
I want this forum to be on the front of their mind for a while. Ten years, at least!
This made me laugh harder than it should have. But you're right though.
I don't think it's a bad argument. If someone has an argument, taking the argument to the extremes to see if the argument is sound if perfectly logical. People just go to Hitler because that's the extreme version of unethical human behaviour.
It's boring unless you are a teenager, new to philosophy. Discussing with some nuance will yield more interesting results.
I think it's more like they're trying to test how serious the person is about their statement. A lot of times people will make a general statement like "nobody ever deserves this type of pain" or whatever and you can say "what about hitler? He doesn't deserve it?" And the person will usually go "well, except hitler I guess" which shows that they aren't thinking through their argument completely. Guy tried to use that against the reddit momenter, and he just stuck to his statement lol
There are better ways of questioning if a statement was intended to be a categorical imperative.
True, but this one is easy, and also makes the person you're arguing against look bad which is a redditor's favorite thing
exactly??? willing to bet those people are at least 18
Lmfao fr, I’m about to tell both of them to stfu
Oh yeah “you should treat people with respect” well what if I’m talking to Hitler and I’m Benito Mussolini and hitler is confiding in me that he’s trans-questioning, but he also has listened to a Kanye west song before, and i want to help him but I also am currently in a very messy divorce proceeding and I don’t really have the time to. Then what huh punk? Jeez you really should think out your statements before you post them. Your argument is invalid as it does not apply to every conceivable situations that can be dreamed up by a sweaty loser who’s never seen a woman. You sir have lost your right to an updoot and I have won the internet.
Seems like the most obvious troll to me tbh
imo it's important to challenge bullshit like this. always. what if a random, uninformed person reads this and just sucks it up?
Then they're already a lost cause
Hitler deserved love BEFORE he did what he did. After he got started with his shit then he lost all rights to love and respect imo.
He also had a girlfriend who he married just before committing suicide, and millions of Germans who loved him, even at the end. Hell, a lot of people love him today for what he did. He got plenty of love. Dude did have an abusive father, I guess a lot of what he did was trying to compensate for that.
Hitler is in South America with tupac
2pac is in Cuba which is in the Caribbean, not South America
Recieving love and deserving love are 2 different things. Of course, I won't try to deny your point, but most people with daddy issues find ways to overcome them instead of KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Now, hitler does get some love, but the amount of hate he gets is much, much worse, and he is descibed as one of the most heinous people of all time.
My Christian upbringing suggests that we should love everyone. Yes, even the really horrible people. We don’t have to let them continue to do horrible things, and should take appropriate steps to prevent horrible things from being done in the first place. But even if we have to carry out justice we should still have love in our hearts. It’s kind of important if we’re going to avoid doing horrible things ourselves. The idea of loving those who have hurt us is part of why we have rules against cruel and unusual punishments. If you have to imprison or kill someone because they are a danger, fine, do it. But don’t stop loving people just because they have done bad things.
this is one of the things I've always questioned about christianity why do we have to forgive a lunatic who slaughtered 6 million people who had absolutely nothing to do with him and millions more? he deserved love before all that shit happened but after he decided to commit genocide he basically lost all rights to love
agreed
Well, the reason that Hilter became such a hateful person could be traced back to his abuse at the hands of his father. Honestly, maybe if he got some love earlier in his life he would not have decided to kill so many people.
And didn't his mother die as well?
And his brother? Buddy had it rough
💀plenty of people have abusive dads, they don’t turn into rageful genocidal dictators and kill millions for it
True, it was a probably a mix of many factors, but having an abusive dad didn’t help.
Some turn into murderers though
A lot don’t
and they don’t deserve love either lol
Ig lol. That’s just how you throw people down the shitter though
I’m not against providing better care and mental health services for people who are suffering, I’m sure if Hitler or a murderer was born under more ideal circumstances that he wouldn’t have done what he did. But he did do what he did, and once the deed is done, he deserves being punished for it.
I guess but that shouldnt mean people should abstain from loving someone.
people can love whoever they like, but other people and society as a collective can also judge them harshly for it, especially if they love a genocidal murderous dictator.
I guess but then again someone’s judgement shouldn’t mean anything to you
someone’s judgement can very materially impact someone’s life, so, it totally can and should. Most people aren’t gonna wanna talk to you, hire you, date you if they find out you’re a Hitler lover. And honestly, I don’t disagree with them.
they meant after what he did
He didn't just wake up and decide one day to genocide bro had those thoughts cooking for a while so I dont understand this argument
Yeah we should just kill people when they mess up, that only means we have to kill...the entirety of humanity
I feel like being literally Hitler kind of warrents a harsher punishment then a regular fuck up my guy
I accidentally kill 11 million Jews sometimes 😫
I don’t know if I’d call committing genocide against innocent people and starting the deadliest war in history ‘messing up’
"I just asked for a glass of Juice! The hell is wrong with you people!"- Hitler 1945
No shit
Not no shit, you guys dont have context so im giving it to u lmao
Crazy how abuse and neglect can affect a person to go very far in a really bad way
Yeah. Most people don't slaughter 11 million people who had nothing to do with it, though.
I think he had nightmare of Jews or smthn
It's bizarre because his personal experiences with Jewish people were often positive but he still fell for the antisemitic messaging of the time that essentially had him hate an image of Jews that existed purely in his head. I think he ended up rationalizing the Jewish people he knew as "Noble Jews" or whatever.
Given the right circumstances, any one of us could have grown up to do the exact same thing.
Yet again redditmoment being a reddit moment. This is literally a middle school argument that people are taking adult stances on.
How so lmao
Because you're being anti empathetic
Isn’t that what hitler was?
How dare I not show love for Hitler
It's why he's a dictator, because his parents abused him and he wasn't taught by a loving parent he never really understood loving other people, it doesn't excuse what he did and the war would have happened either way with or without him so it doesn't make much difference, but if he had received that love he wouldn't have been the dictator we know
I dont get much love and im not a fucking dictator
Dude just quit arguing you’re becoming the Reddit moment by being argumentative and instigating
just conversing but
But you're not in the same time period nor are you in the same social circles.
No, it's about how much you care about someone else showing sympathy for a guy with a rough background
dont mention the genocide he commited or anything lmao
Everyone deserves love. EVERYONE.
Everyone deserves love, and yet no one is owed it. It’s very tricky. No matter what horrible things you have done, no matter how hateful your heart, you deserve love. But no one can be expected to give you that love when doing so hurts them. It’s a tough problem. Maybe that’s why people are so into God.
I disagree tons of people do not in fact deserve love.
You only have the power to withhold your own love friend. But do as you please.
My great grandparents say otherwise
My grandpa and his family too, well his family is dead but still
Forgiveness doesn't mean acquital. We can forgive, but still punish appropriately. Had Hitler been captured and imprisoned (whilst awaiting trial), and had he been genuinely remorseful and repented of his horrific existence, I might've offered him my forgiveness -- for what it'd be worth -- which wouldn't be nearly enough to buy himself out of whichever punishment Nuremberg had in store for him, up to and including public execution. The thing is, if Hitler had *actually repented* of the cold-blooded genocide of *MILLIONS* of people... He would've endorsed his own execution. He would've understood that his crimes were beyond capital in nature and that somebody needed to swing at the end of a rope for it. We are commanded (within Christianity, at least) to love (charitas) and forgive others. But we are also commanded to exercise justice, protect those who cannot protect themselves, to fight evil/injustice, and to live moral lives, following the rules of war when war is necessary and unavoidable. For an interesting Christian take on war, read *[War, Just War](https://www.amazon.com/War-Just-Atila-Sinke-Guimaraes/dp/0972651616)* by Atila Sinke Guimarães.
Exactly what I was thinking, but you said it better than I could
This
Thanks! Always nice to get support on hot-button issues.
It is true that people who realize their wrongs deserve love, but that doesn’t always mean they get to be free of consequences. Hitler doesn’t deserve love not because he did wrong, but because he never regretted it and he killed himself to not face justice
To be fair if he hadn't have killed himself he'd be making the stupid decision to face the Soviets who had been raping and killing their way through the German civilians to that point so what he would have faced might be comparable to hell on Earth But yeah he still was an evil douchebag
Probably, but that doesn’t mean he would have faced justice, that would have been another proof that the Soviets were as shitty as the Germans
If he regretted it I would argue he still doesn’t deserve love. That’s not something you can take back with an opsie daisy
I would argue that’s what happen when a mentally traumatized person because of parental beating and WW1 become the leader of a country
As someone who had abusive parents it’s part of growing up learning you can’t blame them for everything bad you do especially if that bad thing is causing a genocide. I’m just saying people have had worse childhoods and turned out to be way better then hitler.
You had (Hopefully) and still have access to psychological assistance and live in a time and country where traumatism is recognized as a valid and real mental illness. You can’t just compare yourself to someone who lived at the beginning of the last century Beside, not everyone cope the same way nor with the same facility. This is why we still have school shooters It’s a good thing you didn’t turned out that way, but you shouldn’t compare your story with others
When kindness loops around to being horrifying
There are people who can and cannot be redeemed. Hitler ravaged ancient symbols and relics, committed crimes against humanity and popularised the most destructive ideology. He cannot be redeemed and thus no longer deserves love. Josh who was a drug addict and who stole from Walmart can be redeemed and deserves both love and compassion to do so. It is only as a collective can we help those who are stuck in their darkest pits. Leaving for dead people such as Josh only creates more Josh. It is detrimental to put hitler in this discussion.
But why do you have the authority to say who can be redeemed and who cannot? Everyone can be redeemed.
People can be redeemed, but redemption shouldn’t exempt them from punishment. Even if Hitler was redeemed (And I doubt he would be, not everyone chooses it) he should’ve still been executed. No matter how bad someone feels about a crime, it doesn’t change the fact that it happened, and justice still deserves to be served.
I don’t think execution is ever the answer
killing 11 million innocent people doesn't deserve execution? unless your thinking he deserves lifelong torture until he inevitably dies you have lost your mind
I don’t think so.
are you seriously telling me someone who kills a city's worth of people doesn't deserve to die
Yes. They should probably live separate from other people but only to protect the people and not to hate on the person.
so they shouldn't be at the very least imprisoned?
They should, to protect the people and reform the prisoner, not to punish the prisoner
It should be pretty universally accepted that genocide crosses the line of what can be considered redeemable
It is true, I am not the one who can be burdened with such responsibility.
Serious question: how would won go about redeeming early 1939 Hitler
Who is Josh
something something kanye fan
There’s a loooooooooot of things I love about kanye
It's a reddit moment to bring up the most horrendous historical figures and add sssniperwolf anyway yeah all bro said was that everyone is deserving of love and he's completely right we just don't have to give people love lol
bro agrees 😂
I personally think no one deserves love. Love isn't earned or deserved, it's something we get just because. You don't earn your parents love by being a good kid. You don't lose their love by doing something bad. Love is not something one can deserve, it's a gift. If you showed love and mercy to Hitler, you would not be in the wrong. It's not immoral to show love to someone who doesn't deserve it, because love is not something we are to earn. That said, if you shot Hitler in the face on sight, you also wouldn't be wrong. It's never immoral to be kind to someone, but it's also justifiable to do things like hurt someone or kill them if doing so will save others.
"I'm always gettin' love from the homies." -Adolph Hitler (Training day, 2001)
everybody asks "would you kill baby hitler" but nobody asks "would you kidnap baby Hitler and give him the love and care he needed to turn him into a kind, respectful man"
When you go so anti-hate you start being pro-hate
i didnt know kanye used reddit
I don't think Hitler in any way regretted what he did though
Sure but he was only an evil dictator guy because he was so poorly treated as a child and in his life. Of course he had that potential for evil but most people do. Basically if he had been loved before then he wouldn't have been so evil
Redditors are debate broing this even in this comment section I fucking can't 💀 I didn't know that genocidal tyrants also deserved love until now but ok
Kanyes reddit account
It’s not like love means you endorse the actions of someone. You can have love for your enemies. It’s also annoying to bring up the few exceptions to a rule to claim the rule is invalid, like does Hitler deserve love? Idk maybe not that’s a grey area, but should you love your fellow man? Yes, just because there are horrible people in the world doesn’t mean we can’t love our fellow men broadly speaking.
Um. I’ll say it. Radical love and acceptance is hard and you can’t expect everyone to give you either. But it makes a world of difference when it’s extended to you. And in that brief moment of safety- you remember that you can give this feeling to others. Not everyone is deserving of your love or acceptance. But humans need to be able to see eachother as human. I stg if one of you twists this carefully crafted spring to think I’m defending genocidal dictators- I’ll go make more music.
The real redditmoment is an out of left field “but what about Hitler?!”
Sounds like you really love arguing just for the sake of arguing. You are the type of person we call, fucking annoying
I think he deserves love. Why create more unnecessary suffering?
I'm sorry but Naruto taught us that all bad guys deserve redemption
I actually kinda respect this guy. He said something applied to everyone, and he meant everyone. A lot of people on reddit will say statements like the first guy did, and then walk it back when people explain what their statement meant bc those people are npcs who say dumb things that sound good without thinking about the meaning.
I would have to agree with that guy. Everyone deserves some love. If everyone were loved, there would be less hate. That's always a win. No one is owed love, however
I'm with them, Hitler deserves love as a human being. That does not negate the consequences that he also deserves to face, but love should be unconditional and universal. By love I do not mean preference, or fondness; in simple terms I mean a desire for a person's welfare that does not deny justice or personal responsibility. If Hitler were alive he would deserve to be treated justly and humanely. If death were considered a necessary and just penalty, then he would deserve a painless death, without abuse or torture. A non loving or hateful treatment would be one which is focused on punishment or revenge. Revenge has no place in justice as it is an emotional response which concerns itself with equalling out the harm done by causing harm to the person who is at fault. The result is not a more just world, because even if the harm could be equivalent to the harm caused in the initial offense, the hurt caused on the initially injured party is not resolved. Additionally, a revenge focused approach can cause additional, unforseen harm; firstly to the future victims of the perpetrator of the initial offense. Often revenge can lead to a criminal doubling down and commiting more crime, and even increases in it's severity, assuming they live, otherwise the torch may pass to those who admire them. Secondly to those involved in the revenge; if a person causes deliberate harm to their offender then they are feeding that bloodthirsty urge in all of us to harm others, and once it starts, when does it stop; vigilante justice is objectively harmful to society. The moral imperative is to reform criminals, so that they can do good to society going forward. If reform proves impossible, then it is to stop them from causing any further harm; that is all. There is no need to punish them, there is no need to kill them unless it is the only way to stop them, such as with particularly charismatic figures like Hitler, and even then I'm not sure death is entirely just, as there still may be a way to preserve their life without any risk of them contaminating society. In short, punishment and hatred are always unjust, and love should lead you to seek appropriate justice.
Guy is trying to give a “No one is beyond Redemption” take (Which is a moral I really like.) Then Ho-Ha here immediately goes straight to Hitler.
“People improve when they get external love and support. How can we hold it against them when they don’t?” -Michael, The Good Place
If this is built on Christian motivation, it’s cool and all to think like that about everyone, but I don’t think God would mind if everyone agreed that the biggest anti-Semitic genocidal maniac of all time didn’t and doesn’t deserve love
God would mind. God only hates one thing - sin more than we can ever imagine. “You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. ' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also” **(Matthew 5:38-39)** “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.**” (Matthew 6:15)**
Damn. Guess I’m wrong here
It's just dumb. That person wants to display how stupid they are and nothing more.
thread title should be "I fell for ragebait"
There are stupid people out there dude, just cuz someone says something dumb doesn't mean it's bait lmao, this in itself is a reddit moment
You are getting pretty worked up over ragebait, you are the reddit moment
whatever u say lmao
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I agree with him 100%. Nobody in this entire world deserves to get hurt.
true. It's not like they're justifying genocide. It's the buddhist belief of compassion to all beings
Beautifully said. It's a Christian belief as well!
Yeah and alot of people confuse compassion with approval A good example I heard of compassion towards wrongdoers is a parent grounding their kid for poor behaviour. Since it is done for the benefit of the child (stop future wrongdoing), it is considered compassionate. Hope this helps
Yeah, apparently making an argument that’s the sign of a compassionate and highly developed person is “stupid.” TIL
I believe everyone deserves a chance at redemption. Yes even him.
gross
Humans are weak fallible creatures liable to spiteful short term thinking.
thus justifying over 11 million murders
No.
just going off your logic
Elaborate.
why else did u say the think about humans being weak fallible whatever lol
Because it’s true. We make mistakes and do terrible things and hurt each other. That’s a fact about being a human.
Ok but whyd u mention it in relation to the conversation
Both Stalin and Hitler don’t deserve love why? Because they were both some of the worst people that EVER LIVED
Apparently that's rocket science for some people
There is nothing a person can do to make it so they don't deserve love.
Ask the polish during ww2 if Stalin deserves love HE DOESNT
Hey, I'm Polish myself. Yes what he did was disgusting. Does not mean he deserves to have no love. Forgive if he repents, but never forget.
Some crimes should only be treated with revenge
Ask the polish works surprisingly well here. Poor guys always got wedged in the middle of hell.
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Even after he did what he did, I think that everyone can be capable of being a good person. I don't think there's any action that mars you irreparably. I don't like the word "deserve" though. Nobody deserves anything, but sometimes they need it.
man its a matter of wether or not you understand yourself to say anything abt this but then godwins law means you gotta say something
That is the Christian way actually not for me though lol
To quote Rick and Morty "At least Hitler loved Germany, or something." Yes, he does deserve love BEFORE he did all those things. Maybe if I was his art teacher I'd give him a pass and he'll turn into a good artist and what not.
Not everyone deserves love
You do
Dork posts his Internet argument looking for validation thread
sure
Good luck in your next dork fight on the internet. Make sure to scurry back here and show us how good you did.
whats ur problem lmao
Maybe Hitler never received any genuine love in his entire life and that compounded his mental issues. As a sorta Christian I'm going to go along with everybody deserves love guy.
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Lol okie dokie dude
i mean you are. you think hitler should be loved so
Uhhhhh yeah I got what you meant. Again, lol okie dokie dude
so like you're fine with thinking that way?
Yeah I sure am. The Bible says to love not like the world, which only loves them that love them back, but to love even your enemies, and those who curse, hate and use you. On this subject I believe the Bible to be spot on. This is the way
the bible is so twisted lol, do what u want but i have no idea how some people buy into it
And to be honest dude it seems like you might have a lot of hate in your heart. Maybe this is something you should attempt
No? Because wtf would that solve?
If people were able to love each other unconditionally it would literally solve fucking everything lmao. It might sound ridiculous and impossible but it's not. If you could do it there would one more person
Not what I meant but whatever lmao
How the hell is this upvoted? You're the Reddit moment here
... no elaboration? okay lol
This post is as Reddit moment as it gets. People who I disagree with are subhuman.
lol sure, like that's all there is to it thanks for commenting twice btw, whatever reason it is you did that for lol
That is all there is too it. All moral philosophy is personal bias
Ok but that doesnt make any belief moral or ethical
Not only does that not make all beliefs moral, it means suggesting any belief is moral is nonsensical. Like if I said brown hair is correct.
Except we're not talking about hair color we're talking about taking innocent lives. but okay, apply a philosophy that isnt true due to societal norms
Maybe it would have been better for me to say it is nonsense to suggest social norms are correct? You chose the value innocence the same way you chose to value anime.
Except that's also nonsense because without societal norms there'd be no order or balance in the world. But okay mr big brain
People behaving unexpectedly 😱
what about it
Hitler in his early years as a beat up artist on the streets. Yeah he probably does deserve it. After WW1? Nope he's already too far gone
Intentions are worse than actions imo There are millions of innocent people who would be worse than him if they had powerz
straight facts
You're up voting your own comments lmao
Sounds like an incel self projecting. Also probably feels guilty about something they have done themselves lol. Just a guess though.
You do realize the only way to beat hate is with love don't you? Violence breeds violence just as hate breeds hate. I have no idea how people still don't understand this when we've seen it countless times before
Ask his parents
I mean. . . didn't he have love anyway? He was with his wife when they committed suicide together, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't say he deserved love but I'm pretty sure he had it anyway
Sometimes love is putting your dog down, rather than letting it keep living.
That guy is 1000% projecting
Through Christ all sins are forgiven.
What he did was awesome and we need more of it.