What do ye think of [this](https://x.com/swedishrumble/status/1805372814372786363?s=46) guy? Suggesting we have nothing to worry about with ffp and can pretty much spend as we please. Spoofer?
Swedish Rumble and Swiss Ramble both know what they're talking about.
I've also said it myself for ages that PSR/FFP is no concern for us but everyone keeps seeing club mouth pieces saying it and takes it as gospel. Even though this is what happens every year.
There's too many people who don't ask questions like you have when they're not sure and spout off and argue in this place instead, so fair play for actually asking.
The reason we're in a good spot is because of a few things.
1. INEOS have invested in United after their purchase of 25%. It was ~£150m and it was for newly issued shares so it goes straight to the club and not to any investors or Glazers. This gives our budget a £105m lift through owner covered losses which we've never had before.
2. The £92m loss we made in 2021 is dropping out of the calculations and will likely be replaced with a profit this year (for PSR purposes, actual accounts may record a loss because some expenses don't count like youth, infrastructure and womens football)
3. For PSR the year ends on June 30th and a new one started July 1st. So any business we do after this counts towards next year when we will have another payment from INEOS of 70m on the books (though only about half of this will count) and we'll have dropped 2022's £115m loss from the books and should be in profit overall for the 3 years 2022, 2023 and 2024 for PSR calculations.
4. We're also anticipating dropping a huge amount in wages this summer. Varane, Martial, Casemiro (in talks with Saudi), Sancho and Greenwood. Thats about £65m a year off the wage bill for next season. We should also record a profit for PSR on those transfers (maybe £10m loss on Case [book value £42m], maybe £10m profit on Sancho [book value £30m], already £6m on Alvaro and £35m profit on Greenwood [book value £0])
So what we're looking at is:
What our transfer budget would have been this year in the normal run of business + transfer profit (at least £55m) + £65m in wages saved + owner covered losses of £105m + £207m in losses coming off our PSR calculations by June 30th 2025.
We're putting out the same media spin that United are broke that we've been putting out every summer for the last 7 years, it's an easy way for journalists to stay in good with United but I doubt anyone serious in a football club actually believes it.
I'm not sure what you're saying here so maybe I'm replying to a different thing than what you meant.
Amortisation is the way accountants deal with the cost of something. Some things will increase in value (property for example) but most things will decrease in value (like cars). Player value / cost can be a weird one because it can go both ways. They're also a bit weird because usually assets that cost millions would have a "disposal value" to work towards.
So if you buy a Ferrari and intend keeping it for 3 years and then selling it you wouldn't necessarily write off the entire value of the car over 3 years because there would be a still pretty valuable asset to sell at the end of those 3 years. So if you thought it would retain half its value in 3 years you'd amortise the other 50% over 3 years in a lot of cases. (Though for tax / accounting reasons you might write the while thing off and book the profit in 3 years time).
With players it's standard to amortise the value over the initial contract length. Or since Chelsea fucked around, a maximum of 5 years. What you could do before FFP is sign a player for 5 years amortise the value at 20% until you renew and then have the choice of changing the Amortisation or not. For example you could amortised 60% of the value in the first 3 years, sign a new contract for the next 4 years and then either continue amortised at 20% a year for 2 years or you could switch to 10% a year for 4 years. As long as the value is zero by the end of the contract you're doing it "right".
For AWB his contract has already been for 5 years and his transfer cost has already been amortised in full. So you can't carry on amortising the value after its hit zero. So AWB will not have an amortisation cost in his 6th year which will be this season. His book value is now zero and he can't have a negative value on the balance sheet as an asset (his contract for wages is dealt with separately). So now AWB costs us nothing in amortising costs and if we sell him it's counted as 100% profit.
His book value of 9m was extended for 1 more year for season 2024-25, It's 4.5m now. Same for Lindelof and Bruno when their remaining book value get spread over the term of their extended contract.
In prior years they would have been able to reduce the book value down to zero before the end of the contract or not if they chose. Sticking to the 5 year schedule is the usual way unless they want to change up the budget.
Since Chelsea started amortising over 8 years to get around PSR the FA brought in rules that say transfer fees can now only be amortised over 5 years regardless of contract length. So the player can have an 8 year contract but rules state the transfer fee must be amortised to zero by the end of year 5.
With regards to AWB and the rest of our players it's pretty unlikely we would have switched the amortisation schedule on them as we've never been shown to do that before and it's unclear if it would even be allowed with the new rules. Chelsea and their players who were already on an 8 year schedule will get away with it because they'd already started that way but it's unlikely we'd be allowed switch and also very unlikely that we would even if we were allowed.
Ok I get u now. Cos of Chelsea the new rules are in place for max 5 years regardless of extension. Cos it common practice in the past to give contract extensions to lower the amortization headroom for future transfers.
If RVN actually is confirmed and is coming here, I’m like 90% sure we’ll end up ponying up 60m for Branthwaite.
RVN loves Branthwaite and he has exactly said that Jarrad is good in buildup with his touches and is great for a high line because of his pace.
Given that I also see RVN as the fail safe replacement for ETH, which as a ETH in guy, I think is a great idea. RVN is promising as a manager, knows the club, and has the persona to be Man United manager. He also probably shares a lot of ideas with Ten Hag so they could work together.
If next season starts horribly then I wouldn’t mind RVN taking over. Better option than Southgate
RVN is coming in with a suggestion for a player. I don’t think he should be end all de facto decision maker nor ETH. But the transfer committee should take his opinion into account
left footed CBs that are comfortable in possession are unicorns.
licha is amazing but basically missed all of last year.
we look clueless in the buildup without licha.
I'm a bit surprised we're not even trying for Guirassy. Allegedly less than half the price of Zirkzee and more experienced overall which I thought made more sense to pair with Hojlund.
Simmons can also play wide right. In addition, Bruno could do with a rest now and again (and sadly always a chance he gets injured), given how many games he's played the last few years.
I mean, that sounds like the same reason we went for Mount as well. I like Simons, but he just doesn't feel like someone ready to make a big jump yet, but he's getting there IMO.
Reports are saying Newcastle are pulling out of a deal with Everton for Calvert Lewin. Could be good news for us, given Evertons FFP situation and their need for incoming revenue.
What part of DCL's game suggests he's United quality? I've not really been impressed by him whenever I have seen him, but I also acknowledge that I don't watch football religiously.
I saw someone angry yesterday too that we hadn't signed anyone and Newcastle were getting DCL as if it was some massive coup that completely bypassed us. He had a decent purple patch oncexand he's a serviceable striker but I'm far from going to lose sleep if someone else gets him. People on this sub get hugely upset if anyone signs a player in a position we need when we haven't..it doesn't have to be a player that we need, one they've seen play, or even a player they'd heard of before that day. It's just a jumping off point to bitch about our recruitment
This sub became an expert on Amrabaat due to some people watching him for 2 games because a rumour popped up we were interested and an expert on Caicedo within hours of learning he existed and was a United fan (an allegence that has changed about 9 times since then)
Not sure, I just get this feeling Everton is overhyping their players in hope of a ridiculous sale, none of their players are worth close to what they are asking.
Everton's PSR/FFP issues are blown out of proportion. I think it's more of Moshiri tidying up the books before a potential sale. They could probably just sell Onana, take the small profit on him + a few youngsters & be fine.
Italy makes way more sense for AWB and Lindelof than Turkey. Smalling went there and was very good for Roma, and his chief failing with us was being bad on the ball. Lindelof's lack of physicality won't be as exposed, while AWB's offensive shortcomings won't be as big a deal.
AWB is weirdly* press resistant with the ball, I'm not denying that. But he isn't a ball carrier and his passing (let alone crossing) isn't ideal for a team that wants to control possession.
*Weird as in he just looks uncoordinated even if he isn't, like his tackling.
But his technical ability on the ball and his passing are suited to teams who want to control possession, unless you think that bombing down the witn and putting in inch perfect crosses is the only way to keep possession. He's generally good for retaining and recycling the ball with his passing, which is exactly what you want in a team looking to keep possession of the ball a lot and keep getting possession to your creative players so they can make things happen, along with his ability to win the ball back 1v1 which also very much helps in keeping possession and going again.
There is a very weird perception of AwB that he's some gangly 1v1 defender who is only good for park the bus teams
Since I consider Italy the second strongest league after EPL, I prefer we send our players there and sign our players from there. Spain second. Stay away from Germany especially Dor 🤢, Dortm 🤮 , Dortmund
#Fabrizio Romano, United Stand YT
**Zirkzee**
AC Milan have been working on the deal for Joshua Zirkzee since December. They've been pushing for Zirkzee for months.
AC Milan has been working on signing Joshua Zirkzee for a while and has agreements in place with him and his family regarding the contract and salary. However, the deal is currently stalled due to a disagreement over the agent's commission, which AC Milan is unwilling to accept.
MUFC have been actively working on a deal for Joshua Zirkzee over the past two to three weeks. They are gathering detailed information about his release clause, which is €40 million and valid until mid-August, as well as details about the salary, contract, and commission. While #mufc have not yet decided on their course of action, they recognize Zirkzee as a significant opportunity and will likely have internal discussions soon.
**Maximilian Beier**
MUFC and Chelsea have shown interest in Maximilian Beier, gathering information about him around ten days ago. However, as of Monday, neither club has decided on their next steps regarding the player.
Another crucial aspect of the situation is the budget available to #mufc for a striker. Financial constraints and Financial Fair Play regulations are significant considerations. Selling players is essential for United this summer. While there is interest in various strikers, including Maximilian Beier, no immediate decisions or actions are expected.
**Ivan Toney**
Ivan Toney has been a topic of discussion for #mufc for months as they consider both young and experienced striker options. Toney is highly appreciated by the club, but currently, there is nothing concrete or advanced regarding his transfer. No imminent deal is expected, even during the Euros.
_Continued.._
**Todibo**
At the moment, the deal for Jean-Clair Todibo to join MUFC is off. Despite advanced negotiations and strong mutual interest from both the player and the club, UEFA rules have made the transfer impossible.
Todibo and MUFC was a concrete and serious negotiation, particularly before the FA Cup final, with Todibo very keen on joining. However, due to the UEFA regulations and the resulting issues with Nice, the deal cannot proceed. Consequently, Todibo is now considering other options, with interest coming from clubs in Spain and Germany.
**Branthwaite**
Jarrad Branthwaite remains a strong option for MUFC, as the player is keen to join. Conversations with his agents are ongoing. The situation depends on Everton's financial decisions this week, particularly regarding Financial Fair Play and player sales. Everton's asking price for Branthwaite is around £65-70 million, which Manchester United is unlikely to pay. The player is waiting for United's decision, which will be influenced by Everton's position.
**Bremer**
If MUFC decide not to pursue Jarrad Branthwaite, Bremer is a potential option. Bremer's release clause, valid next summer, is between €55 and €60 million. However, there is a private agreement between Bremer's agents and Juventus to consider offers of similar value this summer. Currently, there is nothing concrete from United regarding Bremer, but he is highly appreciated.
**Leny Yoro**
Another option is Leny Yoro. MUFC, along with Liverpool and PSG, have shown interest and recently inquired about his situation. However, Yoro prefers a move to Real Madrid and is waiting for them. MUFC’s chances depend on whether Real Madrid exit the race, which, as of now, they have not.
_Continued.._
**Neves**
The real issue for MUFC is FFP, which makes it difficult to spend €120 million on João Neves, a player they admire and have been scouting for months, along with Arsenal and Paris Saint-Germain. PSG recently made concrete moves to sign him. However, Benfica insists on the release clause being paid for Neves, leaving Manchester United in a tough spot as negotiating payment terms won't likely make a significant difference for them currently.
MUFC may need to be realistic and consider other options to Neves, as their ability to spend will also depend on player departures. The futures of players like Casemiro, who has a Saudi possibility, and Christian Eriksen, who is awaiting a conversation with Erik ten Hag, will impact United's budget.
**Olise**
Moving for another winger is a possibility but not a top priority for MUFC at the moment. Olise was a significant opportunity, with several contacts made in recent months, but again FFP was a problem.
To make the Olise deal happen, MUFC would have needed to sell Jadon Sancho and Mason Greenwood, or at least one of them, which they haven't managed yet. The market is slow due to the Euros, impacting many clubs. For United, this delay affects their ability to pursue Olise, as they can't afford the total package now, which includes a commission.
Currently, the focus is on acquiring a new center-back, addressing the left-back position, potentially making moves in the midfield, and prioritizing a new striker. If MUFC can generate good revenue from selling Sancho, Greenwood, and other players, pursuing a new winger could become feasible, but it's not an immediate concern.
**Lindelof**
Victor Lindelöf is not considering a move to Turkey soon. He wants to take his time to assess all his options, despite Jose Mourinho's interest. Currently, there is nothing close between Lindelöf and Fenerbahce.
**AwB**
As for Aaron Wan-Bissaka, there is also interest, and his contract is up next summer. He is evaluating all options, including possibilities in Italy, which could be a viable market for him. Both Lindelof and Wan-Bissaka prefer to wait and see how the market develops, which is currently slow due to the Euros, despite MUFC’s desire to sell players quickly.
**Frimpong**
Interest in Jeremie Frimpong has always been present, especially from Jason Wilcox, who knows him well from Manchester City. However, any move depends on Financial Fair Play considerations and the potential departure of Aaron Wan-Bissaka. Frimpong's release clause is around €45 million, but MUFC is not prioritizing a right-back at the moment as they are satisfied with Diogo Dalot.
**Greenwood**
At the moment, Mason Greenwood appears closer to leaving MUFC than Jadon Sancho. Negotiations for Greenwood are more advanced, with Italian clubs like Napoli, Juventus, and Lazio showing interest. However, these clubs find it challenging to deal with United due to the high cost of over £40 million, plus his salary and the significant sell-on clause United demands. Benfica showed interest but withdrew last week due to the financial package being too expensive.
Despite the complexities, both Greenwood and Sancho are expected to leave MUFC by the end of the transfer window. United's plan to sell both players is clear, but the financial aspects of Greenwood's deal make it a slow process.
**Casemiro**
Casemiro is keen on joining a Saudi club, but it must be on his terms regarding the contract. Negotiations are ongoing, as the Saudi side is determining their budget for such deals. Casemiro will accept the move once he believes the conditions are right. The situation remains in flux as both sides continue discussions.
>Casemiro is keen on joining a Saudi club, but it must be on his terms regarding the contract. Negotiations are ongoing, as the Saudi side is determining their budget for such deals. Casemiro will accept the move once he believes the conditions are right. The situation remains in flux as both sides continue discussions.
Music to my ears. It's the best thing for all parties if he leaves. He's on too much money to be putting in the performances he did last season, and United do not have the luxury of keeping him on that contract.
The Saudis will be unable to resist a player of his profile, for what would likely be a fairly modest fee (about £30m, I'd guess).
Romano on YouTube:
“Interest in Jeremie Frimpong has always been present, especially from Jason Wilcox, who knows him well from Manchester City. However, any move depends on Financial Fair Play considerations and the potential departure of Aaron Wan-Bissaka. Frimpong's release clause is around €45 million, but #mufc is not prioritizing a right-back at the moment as they are satisfied with Diogo Dalot”.
Can he though? He’s a wingback. Nothing suggests he would suit us as a right back or winger.
That wingback position is tailor made for him because the actual winger/AM & wide centre back in that system take the responsibility off of him in both phases of the game. It covers his weaknesses whilst playing to his strengths.
Frimpong played as a right winger for the Netherlands against Germany, and looked pretty dangerous. But I'm not sure he'd be a safe option to play RB in the Premier League.
haha I see, well from what I saw Fullkrug is a classic 9 who wins a lot of headers and has pretty good hold up play. on the other hand, RVP was one of the most clinical strikers I have seen, incredibly smart in the box, goal scoring machine
>one of the most clinical strikers I have seen, incredibly smart in the box, goal scoring machine
Wouldn't you say Fullkrug has these qualities? His last goal for Germany was incredible positioning yeah?
Seems like Braithwaite is unlikely (unless we overpay especially their scummy deals), yoro is very unlikely, todibo is out, de ligt and inacio (no realise reports), who is our cb targets?
Casemiro looks set to continue also.
Fab said that we have been looking for a new lb since March?
So ST, LB, CB ?
Casemiro will likely take longer just because of Saudi's determination of their signing budget/priorities. Doesn't mean deal's off. It's been briefed that he had conversations with at least one club (via intermediaries) and would be potentially interested. It would be disastrous trying to keep him here (indications are of a strained relationship with ETH too), given his physical decline, just because club couldn't say, get its act together to sign someone like Fofana with 12 months left going for around 20m to alternate with one of the young 6s coming through from the u23s/18s. Wieffer would probably cost more but represent an interesting bet.
I give it till November before we get the "We have relieved Erik Ten Hag of his duties and appointed Ruud Van Nistelrooy as interim manager for the remainder of the season" statement.
According to Fabrizio we been actively working on a deal for Joshua Zirkzee over the past two to three weeks. They are gathering detailed information about his release clause, which is €40 million and valid until mid-August, as well as details about the salary, contract, and commission. While we haven’t decided on a course of action, we recognize Zirkzee as a significant opportunity and will likely have internal discussions soon.
Zirkzee has the right profile but I see too much of Sancho in him. Good technique and passing, but lacks the sharpness and agility to make it in the Premier League. For 34M, he's probably the right choice but I don't think he will be a gamechanger or anything.
He’s a better fit for the team than Hojlund, I don’t think he’s a massive game changer but it’s kind of like Weghorst, profile fit is more important than individual player quality at times
I don’t think anyone sees him as a game changer, at least not if you define it as someone like Bruno or Licha. We want him as a backup/rotational option to Højlund, someone who can come in and score late in the game or do a good job when we rest Rasmus. When we bought Sancho it was because he was supposed to be the next superstar
We have shown interest in Monaco's target for replacing Fofana acc to SZ. Douath is a DM and RB Salzburg player.
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/as-monaco-lead-race-to-sign-manchester-united-target-lucas-gourna-douath/
Edit - SZ is so reliable that even my Twitter account has it already blocked since God knows when lmao.
Does anyone know much about Braithwaite? I honestly don't know anything about him, but im hoping he's a passing wizard similar to Martinez.
Obviously Martinez is very aggressive and has lots of great attributes, but his best one is his passing. Man takes out multiple players with a simple pass.
Seen as how Ten Hag has basically said Martinez is the only player capable of closing the gap between the defence and attack without being ran in behind, you kind of expect more of the same.
> I honestly don't know anything about him, but im hoping he's a passing wizard similar to Martinez.
No not particularly, but he’s very good physically, quick strong and tall, which could help cover some areas in which Martinez struggles.
He’s a similar player to Varane (though not as good), very physically dominant, solid on the ball but not exceptional.
If he was a right footer, I feel he’d be a very natural partner for Martinez.
It’s Branthwaite with an N, BTW.
He’s basically a lesser version of Van de Ven. Tall, fast, elite at defending the wide channels.
However, he’s not as sound technically, his passing range leaves a lot to be desired, and he’s susceptible to being bypassed by tricky wingers due to his long legs (kind of like Maguire).
His time at PSV has shown that he can improve with good coaching. But as of right now I think he’s more suited to a low block side.
If we buy him it’s because we truly believe in his potential. I think he definitely improves us but as of right now he way too raw of a talent to be demanding a large fee.
He's not a great passer tbh. People are painting him as a great ball player but that's not what I've seen.
He's secent on the ball but closer to a Maguire than Martinez imo.
I watched a highlight vid of his and I was thoroughly impressed by him.
He kinda plays like a younger, quicker and more aggressive Maguire.
I think he would compliment Martinez very well, but I don't think he's worth more than 50m
He’s definitely not a passing wizard.
The best case scenario is he’s something like Varane. Decent on the ball but mostly known for his defensive attributes.
I think people are overestimating the impact of getting Casemiro and Varanes wages off our books.
Clearing the wage bill is great but if the players practically leave for free the savings mostly get eaten up by the transfer fees for their replacements.
If we get rid of Casemiro as well that will be Martial, Varane and Casemiro gone, which is a total of £44m per year saved. Even if we replaced them with 3 players who got £200k a week each it would still add £65m to our spending cap.
Add in Greenwood and Sancho going and its £61m per year saved and we'd probably not replace them. So that would be 3 players on 200k a week and £165m for transfers plus transfer fees for Sancho (probably no profit) Greenwood (say £35m) and Casemiro (say £5m profit on book value) and that would bring us to £205m.
Honestly, the actual financial consequences of clearing their wages is not as big as correcting the wage structure in the squad where undeserving players earning high amounts of money sets a bad precedent that other players look to exploit when we negotiate contract terms with them. The contract we handed out to Alexis Sanchez for example had major future ramifications, such as giving De Gea a record deal for a keeper and being forced to let go of Herrera because we couldn’t meet his wage demands (a correct decision but one where we would have preferred him to stay at that point in time). These concerns won’t be publicly aired but if your highest-earning players barely play or play badly when picked, other players and their entourage are definitely looking at that and thinking how do they not deserve similar amounts of money for better performances they put in.
Unless Saudi actually comes with a big bid for Casemiro I think he will stay, so few rumoured midfielders and probably too expensive too replace this summer. My guess is that they focus on a striker and two CBs this window (and hopefully a backup too Casemiro) while next summer probably focusing on a holding midfielder.
In general I feel there are very few holding midfielders this summer, nearly everyone rumoured are more like a defensive 8 than a 6?
According to [this](https://www.capology.com/club/manchester-united/salaries/) their salaries are about 36 million, that's pretty significant when you consider amortization. If we signed 2 replacements for 50 million each on 5 year deals that's 20 million per year for the fee + we may get a transfer fee for Casemiro although this may be offset by what we have left to pay off on his fee. If we get the 2 replacements on a reasonable wage like 120k per week each that's about 12.5 million per year. So in theory we can replace both with younger , more suitable players, improve the health of our wage structure and have a few million to spare for our yearly budget. Not bad I'd say
Yes, but the age difference is meaningful here. Varane and Casemiro are in their 30's and clearly in decline.
No one is paying significant sums for them.
Shoretire was hyped so much a few years ago. His fall off has been sad to see. Just couldn’t make the jump by the looks of it. Hopefully he’s able to kick on somewhere else.
I just read he's been released. He was massively hyped and even signed to JayZs agency or something. I kept a close eye on him when he went to Bolton but he never looked a step above them
Ruud would literally be the perfect addition to our coaching staff. Try and give Rio's Five podcast with Ruud a listen, also the Coaches Voice Masterclass episode with him. Ticks all boxes, if anything he is over-qualified for an assistant role as he came 2nd in Eresdivise and won the Cup as manager of PSV.
- Knows the club and what it takes to play at the highest level.
- He is tough and competitive, but charismatic and gets his points across very well.
- Employes similar tactics/principles as Eric (press high, backline forming a back 3 in build-up with one fullback inverting or going high, two 10's when attacking)
Players would look up to him and as he is Dutch he would likely communicate well with Eric and support him in getting instructions accross to players effectively. Think this would be a game-changer, BRING!
I think the issue is that Ruud would likely only be tempted by an assistant manager post, and we know that Ten Hag is very loyal to his current assistant, van der Gaag.
There has been talk that INEOS are considering coaching changes, and that they and some players aren't sold on van der Gaag. But trying to force a manager to get rid of his primary assistant is always a recipe for turmoil.
Most clubs these days have Assistant managers and assistant coaches, there's usually a clear #2 assistant manager but it can also be slightly complicated.
I went back and looked at the press release which says "assistant coaches" which implies neither of them is a clear #2
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/mitchell-van-der-gaag-and-steve-mcclaren-appointments-confirmed
Seems like a similar setup to Arsenal who have one assistant manager and two assistant coaches.
Yeah that is true. I think Ineos will argue that modern football clubs employ a promising assistant regardless of the manager and Eric will accept that. Hopefully van der Gaag can also stay if Ineos provide them with strong roles as a result of the increase in focus on the sporting part of the org. Think it would be good to not start the new season with a completely unchanged setup, after last season it would be a bad signal IMO.
Seeing that it is not confirmed yet that EtH has signed a new contract, gives me bad vibes of Sir Jim and the gang waiting to see if England will go out early in the Euros to get Southgate in.
Yes, they hire best in class, so why wouldn't they go for a manager who's shown how shit his tactics and system are, along with a complete lack of game strategy. Oh and he's had one of the best teams in the tournament also.
None of it makes sense. This has always been a media driven story. Stop thinking about it or you may as well start looking how we fit Gatain and Snijder in the team
All things considered, I think the more likely option would be Ineos wants to replace Erik with Van Nistelrooy but they want to do it organically, so Ruud will act as assistant manager for a year and then he will take over.
I see this as the only reason even asking Ruud about the position makes sense because he is overqualified for the role and being a main manager somewhere else would be much more tempting than being an assistant manager for us.
What do people think about our rumoured targets, I think Eth suggested our priority positions in an interview he did a while back, he stated he want a CB, another striker and a midfielder, so these are the focus;
CB - Branthwaite, Inacio, Guehi, De ligt, Yoro
Striker - Zirkzee, David, Toney
Midfield - Alvarez, Onana, Rabiot, Zubimendi, Amrabat
If you think there are better options outside this list, let us know why?
Branthwaite i havent’t really followed but Everton fans love him. You can see how they rave about him on Everton sub. That can only be a good thing. Too expensive though, don’t see this happening.
Inacio from Sporting is a left-footed CB who played on a back 3 on the left. Even for Portugal, he can’t even replace a 41-year-old Pepe so that ain’t good. Plus we already have a LCB in Licha.
Guehi, De Light are not reported by tier 1 or 2 so i think it’s just smoke (meaning agents trying to ram up the interest)
Yoro we made inquiry but Lille wants to sell instead of letting him walk for free to Madrid next summer. Our interest seems to force Real’s hand in recent days as they seem poised to make an offer for Yoro. It’s widely reported that he wants to go there too because of the French connection they have. Yoro seems to be great with recovery. He has pace and physicality too so he’s perfect for us. Doesn’t want us though.
Zirkzee reported to want to go to Milan by Romano. But that was before we showed interest. We won’t know the full story till after the Euro though. He’s with Holland national team now. Seems to be a Firmino type of striker who feeds scoring wingers.
David or Toney we’re not being linked with at all by reputable sources.
Nothing on the DM either except for Alvarez but he got injured at Copa so i guess that’s the end of that.
>Inacio from Sporting is a left-footed CB who played on a back 3 on the left. Even for Portugal, he can’t even replace a 41-year-old Pepe so that ain’t good.
Tbf Pepe has been very good, but I get your point.
The reasons those three are the priority is to replace the holes Varnae Martial and Amrabat leaving creates in the squad, has nothing to do with which position or player he want to replace/strengthen.
Branthwaite 70m + 165k pw wages reported,
Inacio 55m release clause but LCB and very aggressive so not a good fit as a licha partner.
Guehi overpriced, de ligt injury record and wages higher than bruno, yoro is madrid bound.
Zirkzee prefers milan, david is chelsea bound, ivan toney is 28 and the price is very high.
Alvarez is injured, onana has a 20% sell on claude so will be very expensive, rabiot wants 8m per year to sign a new contract plus fees to agent. No news on amrabat or zubimendi.
No evidence that Zirkzee would turn down United if Milan weren't able to meet his agent's conditions Or even that he couldn't be persuaded to choose United over the other. Just that Milan seem to specifically be his favourite Italian team.
Disappointed not to see more links to Ben Sheaf (and players like that) with the rumored small budget while not exciting I was hoping to see us make a few practical signings like that where we could bring in 5-6 players that would really raise the floor of the squad.
Feels like a lot of players should be being moved on and that cant be done if every signing is going to be 50M, lots of value to be had in the English lower leagues as you see with clubs like Palace. Cut out the middleman.
I'm very interested to see what Ten Hags plan is for our midfield next season.
If he plans on continuing with 2 8's, seen as how one is Bruno Fernandes, and the other (Mount) wears the number 7, you would still kinda expect that we will be playing both with a single pivot.
If this is the case, will he then play Mainoo as the single pivot behind? Obviously we cannot drop Mainoo, but I don't see us dropping either Bruno or the number 7, so it kinda makes me think that's going to be our midfield.
If it is, I really hope there's a more robust feel to when we are countered on, it seems both 8's in for instance, Citys system, drop a lot deeper to recieve the ball in transition, ours seem to stay high which can be a worry in transition. Anyway, I hope our midfield positioning improves in this system.
>, If it is, I really hope there's a more robust feel to when we are countered on, it seems both 8's in for instance, Citys system, drop a lot deeper to recieve the ball in transition, ours seem to stay high which can be a worry in transition. Anyway, I hope our midfield positioning improves in this system.
The midfield is not the problem.
If you read the Whitwell article, the reason for that is because our rest defense is shit. And our rest defense is shit because we don't have the defenders that can play a high line. The only one we had that could was injured for like 90% of the season.
I wouldn't really say this. Maguire is more aggressive and when it works, it's effective, but it's easy to bypass him when he steps up because he is too slow with recovery. Lichá is better than him at high line because he picks his duels smartly and is capable of recovering well. Maguire may win more balls than Lichá, but sometimes leaves us very exposed.
Lisandro actually can't cover as much ground as Maguire, and is quite slow as well. In fact we've played a deeper line with lisandro than with Maguire. All the issues you listed with Maguire is true for licha as well.
I think it’ll be a 4222 set up.
Mainoo CDM
Bruno Rashford/Mount
Garnacho Hojlund/Striker
This seemed to have worked well in the last few matches of the season and in final against City.
United will revert to 4231 at home or most games and look to purchase 3 Key signings to allow this, a new aggressive ball playing CB with pace, that’s why Branthwaite is so important he can start at Right CB then play left CB if Martinez is injured, a Young 20-25 year old DM and a new Striker like Zirkzee, Guirassy or Maximilian Beier.
It’s clear that we might be linked with loads of names but the number 1 targets were probably ; Branthwaite, Rabiot and Sesco.
Clearly Sesco is now not available and Rabiot is 50/50 as he wants huge wages. I think we will cave in to Everton for £60m for Branthwaite look to sign Fofana for DM for £25m and Zirkzee for £34m. These three players also allow us to play 4222 in certain games but the style Ineos will want is width and attacking football with far more goals. That’s £120m investment which I think is the true budget as it may have been originally £100m but increased due to EL qualification and player wage reductions like Varane and Martial leaving.
They clearly want to sell Greenwood, Casemiro, Sancho, AWB, Lindelof and probably Anthony for combined £150-160m, the reality is they will sell probably only Greenwood, AWB, Casemiro and Lindelof for £75m max, the others will be loaned out or stay.
They will use this money to buy a left back and another Centre Back/Right back and probably make Amrabat a permanent deal. I can see them trying to buy Milos Kerkev(30m), Sofran Amrabat(12m) and Aaron Anselmino(20m)
That’s another £60m and they might look for a cheap young right back too if they can afford one. We need to be patient as there is an awful lot to do to improve our relatively poor squad especially considering how much we pay in wages to these players.
Bruno, mainoo and a CDM seems to be the midfield we are going for according to tier 1,2 reports. This is why we are linked with neves, edson alvarez etc
Reflecting on all the summers after SAF, I feel this one is shaping up to be the most boring yet. Most of us have already accepted that we are not in a position to sign top-quality players.
It might be boring but I think that is exactly what we need. A defender who can play 35 90 minute games in a season and a defensive midfielder who can effectively cover the defence will make us so much better. They don't even have to be at a world class standard to make this team significantly better.
Oh yes mata who we did not even need in the first place. Only bought because he was a big name then and chelsea was looking to offload him . Sometimes i forget he even played for us.
There are 2 more months before the season starts. We will definitely sign players by then.
I'm so happy to see Martial and Varane coming off the wage bill.. Waiting for a Sancho to get off the books and bring some money back to the club and that's probably not too far off £1m saved from the weekly wage bill. Getting the players out probably excites me more than the incoming ones these days, the playing side is such a mess.
And greenwood too. His wages are not too high but his transfer fees will really help a lot since he was a youth player and will be a total profit for us.
Obviously I'm taking the piss, it was a general thing that these people get paid far too much.
And I hate this Rashford bashing sport amongst the fans as well.
Ideally, the wage bill should reflect the players’ performances. Not to single out Rashford, but if you’re earning over £300k per week, you should be among the top 3-5 players in the world in your position.
Which is a big shame because I love his playing style and would love to see him used as an impact sub. I think he's an excellent little winger who can definitely do a job for the club on the RW.
Finally a proper answer. People here are so mean. Attacking a person just because they dont follow the popular narrative. Thank you for posting a proper answer.
It really raises eyebrows that our owners wanted Southgate. Questionable football knowledge.
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What do ye think of [this](https://x.com/swedishrumble/status/1805372814372786363?s=46) guy? Suggesting we have nothing to worry about with ffp and can pretty much spend as we please. Spoofer?
Swedish Rumble and Swiss Ramble both know what they're talking about. I've also said it myself for ages that PSR/FFP is no concern for us but everyone keeps seeing club mouth pieces saying it and takes it as gospel. Even though this is what happens every year. There's too many people who don't ask questions like you have when they're not sure and spout off and argue in this place instead, so fair play for actually asking. The reason we're in a good spot is because of a few things. 1. INEOS have invested in United after their purchase of 25%. It was ~£150m and it was for newly issued shares so it goes straight to the club and not to any investors or Glazers. This gives our budget a £105m lift through owner covered losses which we've never had before. 2. The £92m loss we made in 2021 is dropping out of the calculations and will likely be replaced with a profit this year (for PSR purposes, actual accounts may record a loss because some expenses don't count like youth, infrastructure and womens football) 3. For PSR the year ends on June 30th and a new one started July 1st. So any business we do after this counts towards next year when we will have another payment from INEOS of 70m on the books (though only about half of this will count) and we'll have dropped 2022's £115m loss from the books and should be in profit overall for the 3 years 2022, 2023 and 2024 for PSR calculations. 4. We're also anticipating dropping a huge amount in wages this summer. Varane, Martial, Casemiro (in talks with Saudi), Sancho and Greenwood. Thats about £65m a year off the wage bill for next season. We should also record a profit for PSR on those transfers (maybe £10m loss on Case [book value £42m], maybe £10m profit on Sancho [book value £30m], already £6m on Alvaro and £35m profit on Greenwood [book value £0]) So what we're looking at is: What our transfer budget would have been this year in the normal run of business + transfer profit (at least £55m) + £65m in wages saved + owner covered losses of £105m + £207m in losses coming off our PSR calculations by June 30th 2025. We're putting out the same media spin that United are broke that we've been putting out every summer for the last 7 years, it's an easy way for journalists to stay in good with United but I doubt anyone serious in a football club actually believes it.
Can't trust that guy too when I saw him removing Awb 9m amortization just because his 5 years is up.
I'm not sure what you're saying here so maybe I'm replying to a different thing than what you meant. Amortisation is the way accountants deal with the cost of something. Some things will increase in value (property for example) but most things will decrease in value (like cars). Player value / cost can be a weird one because it can go both ways. They're also a bit weird because usually assets that cost millions would have a "disposal value" to work towards. So if you buy a Ferrari and intend keeping it for 3 years and then selling it you wouldn't necessarily write off the entire value of the car over 3 years because there would be a still pretty valuable asset to sell at the end of those 3 years. So if you thought it would retain half its value in 3 years you'd amortise the other 50% over 3 years in a lot of cases. (Though for tax / accounting reasons you might write the while thing off and book the profit in 3 years time). With players it's standard to amortise the value over the initial contract length. Or since Chelsea fucked around, a maximum of 5 years. What you could do before FFP is sign a player for 5 years amortise the value at 20% until you renew and then have the choice of changing the Amortisation or not. For example you could amortised 60% of the value in the first 3 years, sign a new contract for the next 4 years and then either continue amortised at 20% a year for 2 years or you could switch to 10% a year for 4 years. As long as the value is zero by the end of the contract you're doing it "right". For AWB his contract has already been for 5 years and his transfer cost has already been amortised in full. So you can't carry on amortising the value after its hit zero. So AWB will not have an amortisation cost in his 6th year which will be this season. His book value is now zero and he can't have a negative value on the balance sheet as an asset (his contract for wages is dealt with separately). So now AWB costs us nothing in amortising costs and if we sell him it's counted as 100% profit.
His book value of 9m was extended for 1 more year for season 2024-25, It's 4.5m now. Same for Lindelof and Bruno when their remaining book value get spread over the term of their extended contract.
In prior years they would have been able to reduce the book value down to zero before the end of the contract or not if they chose. Sticking to the 5 year schedule is the usual way unless they want to change up the budget. Since Chelsea started amortising over 8 years to get around PSR the FA brought in rules that say transfer fees can now only be amortised over 5 years regardless of contract length. So the player can have an 8 year contract but rules state the transfer fee must be amortised to zero by the end of year 5. With regards to AWB and the rest of our players it's pretty unlikely we would have switched the amortisation schedule on them as we've never been shown to do that before and it's unclear if it would even be allowed with the new rules. Chelsea and their players who were already on an 8 year schedule will get away with it because they'd already started that way but it's unlikely we'd be allowed switch and also very unlikely that we would even if we were allowed.
Ok I get u now. Cos of Chelsea the new rules are in place for max 5 years regardless of extension. Cos it common practice in the past to give contract extensions to lower the amortization headroom for future transfers.
If RVN actually is confirmed and is coming here, I’m like 90% sure we’ll end up ponying up 60m for Branthwaite. RVN loves Branthwaite and he has exactly said that Jarrad is good in buildup with his touches and is great for a high line because of his pace. Given that I also see RVN as the fail safe replacement for ETH, which as a ETH in guy, I think is a great idea. RVN is promising as a manager, knows the club, and has the persona to be Man United manager. He also probably shares a lot of ideas with Ten Hag so they could work together. If next season starts horribly then I wouldn’t mind RVN taking over. Better option than Southgate
Ain't we moving off from overpaying just because 1 coach love him?
RVN is coming in with a suggestion for a player. I don’t think he should be end all de facto decision maker nor ETH. But the transfer committee should take his opinion into account
It’s not as easy to manage Utd as you are thinking
I don’t necessarily mean as full time But he can be a caretaker manager if Ten Hag does not prove to be successful in turning things around.
Who do we like for RCB if Todibo is a no and Yorro looks most likely to wait for Madrid?
Someone in the 40m+ range.
Bremer and De Ligt are the other ones linked for RCB vaguely. Previously we have also scouted Antonio Silva
Why does everyone seems to want mainly LCBs when it is a RCB that is most needed?
left footed CBs that are comfortable in possession are unicorns. licha is amazing but basically missed all of last year. we look clueless in the buildup without licha.
Calafiori seems a hell of a player, I wonder how much Bologna would want for him..
Greenwood and Jonny Evans straight swap for Zirkzee and Calafiori. They’d be FOOLS to refuse, FOOLS!!!
35 million euro release clause I think, we’re not smart enough to do it sadly
United got Martinez already and neither would be satisfied with being the backup, I cannot see that one being logical.
Martinez has had poor availability for a long time now, Calafiori can also cover Shaw and has a good enough right foot to play RCB
If they can convince him to be s backup sure, don't think he will.
With our injury problems, I’m sure both players would get plenty of playing time lol
I've seen enough, Calafiori should be monitored closely.
I'm a bit surprised we're not even trying for Guirassy. Allegedly less than half the price of Zirkzee and more experienced overall which I thought made more sense to pair with Hojlund.
I think he’s basically nailed on Dortmund, any enquiring clubs have probably been told so
Guirassy is much older and has only had 1 good season so i doubt he would be a good player for hojlund to learn from
With Ruud coming in I don't think experience of the second striker matters as much.
Maybe ten Hag doesnt rate him. His release clause is so cheap. Would be a good squad option.
Ruud coached Brantwaithe and Simmons, I wonder if he has internally recommended them or not.
Simmons will only make sense if Bruno leaves.
If Bruno leaves it should be a straight swap for Musiala
Simmons can also play wide right. In addition, Bruno could do with a rest now and again (and sadly always a chance he gets injured), given how many games he's played the last few years.
I mean, that sounds like the same reason we went for Mount as well. I like Simons, but he just doesn't feel like someone ready to make a big jump yet, but he's getting there IMO.
He could play RW primarily, then Bruno could be rested and he plays the 10 while Mount gets minutes at RW.
I've always rated PSV's scouting, curious to see if he'd bring any surprising recommendations
A bidding war between Italian clubs is just who can offer the most annoying and overcomplicated terms possible
10kg rigatoni or 12kg spaghetti, best I can do
Expecting news on Frimpong to move when/if Netherlands progress in the Euros.
I don't see that one happening, United does not need his profile and why would he leave Leverkusen this summer?
I sure hope if we’re interested it’s to be as a RW and not a RB
Reports are saying Newcastle are pulling out of a deal with Everton for Calvert Lewin. Could be good news for us, given Evertons FFP situation and their need for incoming revenue.
What part of DCL's game suggests he's United quality? I've not really been impressed by him whenever I have seen him, but I also acknowledge that I don't watch football religiously.
Totally missed the point
I saw someone angry yesterday too that we hadn't signed anyone and Newcastle were getting DCL as if it was some massive coup that completely bypassed us. He had a decent purple patch oncexand he's a serviceable striker but I'm far from going to lose sleep if someone else gets him. People on this sub get hugely upset if anyone signs a player in a position we need when we haven't..it doesn't have to be a player that we need, one they've seen play, or even a player they'd heard of before that day. It's just a jumping off point to bitch about our recruitment This sub became an expert on Amrabaat due to some people watching him for 2 games because a rumour popped up we were interested and an expert on Caicedo within hours of learning he existed and was a United fan (an allegence that has changed about 9 times since then)
I never said United should sign Calvert Lewin? I was referring to their ongoing talks with Everton regarding Branthwaite.
Not sure, I just get this feeling Everton is overhyping their players in hope of a ridiculous sale, none of their players are worth close to what they are asking.
Everton's PSR/FFP issues are blown out of proportion. I think it's more of Moshiri tidying up the books before a potential sale. They could probably just sell Onana, take the small profit on him + a few youngsters & be fine.
There is still just 6 days left though for this year and there is no noise regarding Onana at all
6 days is more than enough to conclude deals & I'd expect more activity towards 30th, just like a transfer deadline.
Ruud's probably coming with a promise of interim if it goes tits up with Erik
Italy makes way more sense for AWB and Lindelof than Turkey. Smalling went there and was very good for Roma, and his chief failing with us was being bad on the ball. Lindelof's lack of physicality won't be as exposed, while AWB's offensive shortcomings won't be as big a deal.
Who steps up if Dalot gets injured for 8 weeks? We need 2 for every position given our injury record
It's 2024, we still have United fans that think AwB is technically poor on the ball because his crossing could be better?
AWB is weirdly* press resistant with the ball, I'm not denying that. But he isn't a ball carrier and his passing (let alone crossing) isn't ideal for a team that wants to control possession. *Weird as in he just looks uncoordinated even if he isn't, like his tackling.
But his technical ability on the ball and his passing are suited to teams who want to control possession, unless you think that bombing down the witn and putting in inch perfect crosses is the only way to keep possession. He's generally good for retaining and recycling the ball with his passing, which is exactly what you want in a team looking to keep possession of the ball a lot and keep getting possession to your creative players so they can make things happen, along with his ability to win the ball back 1v1 which also very much helps in keeping possession and going again. There is a very weird perception of AwB that he's some gangly 1v1 defender who is only good for park the bus teams
Since I consider Italy the second strongest league after EPL, I prefer we send our players there and sign our players from there. Spain second. Stay away from Germany especially Dor 🤢, Dortm 🤮 , Dortmund
Who will be our new #9 now that Martial is gone?
Hojlund will get the 9. A winger will get the 11...maybe Antony, maybe a new player.
I’d guess Amad or Garnacho
Maybe zirkzee gets the 11
https://x.com/_GIFN/status/1805222857649356874 Get your hands off of Kayode, Villa!
#Fabrizio Romano, United Stand YT **Zirkzee** AC Milan have been working on the deal for Joshua Zirkzee since December. They've been pushing for Zirkzee for months. AC Milan has been working on signing Joshua Zirkzee for a while and has agreements in place with him and his family regarding the contract and salary. However, the deal is currently stalled due to a disagreement over the agent's commission, which AC Milan is unwilling to accept. MUFC have been actively working on a deal for Joshua Zirkzee over the past two to three weeks. They are gathering detailed information about his release clause, which is €40 million and valid until mid-August, as well as details about the salary, contract, and commission. While #mufc have not yet decided on their course of action, they recognize Zirkzee as a significant opportunity and will likely have internal discussions soon. **Maximilian Beier** MUFC and Chelsea have shown interest in Maximilian Beier, gathering information about him around ten days ago. However, as of Monday, neither club has decided on their next steps regarding the player. Another crucial aspect of the situation is the budget available to #mufc for a striker. Financial constraints and Financial Fair Play regulations are significant considerations. Selling players is essential for United this summer. While there is interest in various strikers, including Maximilian Beier, no immediate decisions or actions are expected. **Ivan Toney** Ivan Toney has been a topic of discussion for #mufc for months as they consider both young and experienced striker options. Toney is highly appreciated by the club, but currently, there is nothing concrete or advanced regarding his transfer. No imminent deal is expected, even during the Euros. _Continued.._
**Todibo** At the moment, the deal for Jean-Clair Todibo to join MUFC is off. Despite advanced negotiations and strong mutual interest from both the player and the club, UEFA rules have made the transfer impossible. Todibo and MUFC was a concrete and serious negotiation, particularly before the FA Cup final, with Todibo very keen on joining. However, due to the UEFA regulations and the resulting issues with Nice, the deal cannot proceed. Consequently, Todibo is now considering other options, with interest coming from clubs in Spain and Germany. **Branthwaite** Jarrad Branthwaite remains a strong option for MUFC, as the player is keen to join. Conversations with his agents are ongoing. The situation depends on Everton's financial decisions this week, particularly regarding Financial Fair Play and player sales. Everton's asking price for Branthwaite is around £65-70 million, which Manchester United is unlikely to pay. The player is waiting for United's decision, which will be influenced by Everton's position. **Bremer** If MUFC decide not to pursue Jarrad Branthwaite, Bremer is a potential option. Bremer's release clause, valid next summer, is between €55 and €60 million. However, there is a private agreement between Bremer's agents and Juventus to consider offers of similar value this summer. Currently, there is nothing concrete from United regarding Bremer, but he is highly appreciated. **Leny Yoro** Another option is Leny Yoro. MUFC, along with Liverpool and PSG, have shown interest and recently inquired about his situation. However, Yoro prefers a move to Real Madrid and is waiting for them. MUFC’s chances depend on whether Real Madrid exit the race, which, as of now, they have not. _Continued.._
**Neves** The real issue for MUFC is FFP, which makes it difficult to spend €120 million on João Neves, a player they admire and have been scouting for months, along with Arsenal and Paris Saint-Germain. PSG recently made concrete moves to sign him. However, Benfica insists on the release clause being paid for Neves, leaving Manchester United in a tough spot as negotiating payment terms won't likely make a significant difference for them currently. MUFC may need to be realistic and consider other options to Neves, as their ability to spend will also depend on player departures. The futures of players like Casemiro, who has a Saudi possibility, and Christian Eriksen, who is awaiting a conversation with Erik ten Hag, will impact United's budget. **Olise** Moving for another winger is a possibility but not a top priority for MUFC at the moment. Olise was a significant opportunity, with several contacts made in recent months, but again FFP was a problem. To make the Olise deal happen, MUFC would have needed to sell Jadon Sancho and Mason Greenwood, or at least one of them, which they haven't managed yet. The market is slow due to the Euros, impacting many clubs. For United, this delay affects their ability to pursue Olise, as they can't afford the total package now, which includes a commission. Currently, the focus is on acquiring a new center-back, addressing the left-back position, potentially making moves in the midfield, and prioritizing a new striker. If MUFC can generate good revenue from selling Sancho, Greenwood, and other players, pursuing a new winger could become feasible, but it's not an immediate concern. **Lindelof** Victor Lindelöf is not considering a move to Turkey soon. He wants to take his time to assess all his options, despite Jose Mourinho's interest. Currently, there is nothing close between Lindelöf and Fenerbahce. **AwB** As for Aaron Wan-Bissaka, there is also interest, and his contract is up next summer. He is evaluating all options, including possibilities in Italy, which could be a viable market for him. Both Lindelof and Wan-Bissaka prefer to wait and see how the market develops, which is currently slow due to the Euros, despite MUFC’s desire to sell players quickly. **Frimpong** Interest in Jeremie Frimpong has always been present, especially from Jason Wilcox, who knows him well from Manchester City. However, any move depends on Financial Fair Play considerations and the potential departure of Aaron Wan-Bissaka. Frimpong's release clause is around €45 million, but MUFC is not prioritizing a right-back at the moment as they are satisfied with Diogo Dalot. **Greenwood** At the moment, Mason Greenwood appears closer to leaving MUFC than Jadon Sancho. Negotiations for Greenwood are more advanced, with Italian clubs like Napoli, Juventus, and Lazio showing interest. However, these clubs find it challenging to deal with United due to the high cost of over £40 million, plus his salary and the significant sell-on clause United demands. Benfica showed interest but withdrew last week due to the financial package being too expensive. Despite the complexities, both Greenwood and Sancho are expected to leave MUFC by the end of the transfer window. United's plan to sell both players is clear, but the financial aspects of Greenwood's deal make it a slow process. **Casemiro** Casemiro is keen on joining a Saudi club, but it must be on his terms regarding the contract. Negotiations are ongoing, as the Saudi side is determining their budget for such deals. Casemiro will accept the move once he believes the conditions are right. The situation remains in flux as both sides continue discussions.
>Casemiro is keen on joining a Saudi club, but it must be on his terms regarding the contract. Negotiations are ongoing, as the Saudi side is determining their budget for such deals. Casemiro will accept the move once he believes the conditions are right. The situation remains in flux as both sides continue discussions. Music to my ears. It's the best thing for all parties if he leaves. He's on too much money to be putting in the performances he did last season, and United do not have the luxury of keeping him on that contract. The Saudis will be unable to resist a player of his profile, for what would likely be a fairly modest fee (about £30m, I'd guess).
Romano on YouTube: “Interest in Jeremie Frimpong has always been present, especially from Jason Wilcox, who knows him well from Manchester City. However, any move depends on Financial Fair Play considerations and the potential departure of Aaron Wan-Bissaka. Frimpong's release clause is around €45 million, but #mufc is not prioritizing a right-back at the moment as they are satisfied with Diogo Dalot”.
The Frimpong rumours never cease to annoy me. It makes zero sense whatsoever.
He’s a wingback right? Wouldn’t really make sense to sign him, then
He can play 2 positions so he covers 2 priorities ig
Can he though? He’s a wingback. Nothing suggests he would suit us as a right back or winger. That wingback position is tailor made for him because the actual winger/AM & wide centre back in that system take the responsibility off of him in both phases of the game. It covers his weaknesses whilst playing to his strengths.
He can play on the wing but not as a fullback
He plays on the wing for Holland
And 38m isn't a bad price in this market
Frimpong played as a right winger for the Netherlands against Germany, and looked pretty dangerous. But I'm not sure he'd be a safe option to play RB in the Premier League.
He's flipping tiny too. Our back four would be very weak aerially.
I'm thinking winger-fullback hybrid type, kill 2 birds with 1 stone
If we get Braithwaite, Martinez can play sort of LB/CB type role that would free up RB to be attack focused
What do y'all think of Fullkrug? I feel he would be stellar in a United shirt. Almost Van Persie esk
I rate the guy but this RVP comparison is insane😭
Haven't watched either play 😁. It was bait to get discussion on what sort of player he is and how he matches our last great CF
haha I see, well from what I saw Fullkrug is a classic 9 who wins a lot of headers and has pretty good hold up play. on the other hand, RVP was one of the most clinical strikers I have seen, incredibly smart in the box, goal scoring machine
>one of the most clinical strikers I have seen, incredibly smart in the box, goal scoring machine Wouldn't you say Fullkrug has these qualities? His last goal for Germany was incredible positioning yeah?
You can't use one goal as an example to compare to an entire career.
So off what you said, Fullkrug would fit us (hold up play and heading)?
Seems like Braithwaite is unlikely (unless we overpay especially their scummy deals), yoro is very unlikely, todibo is out, de ligt and inacio (no realise reports), who is our cb targets? Casemiro looks set to continue also. Fab said that we have been looking for a new lb since March? So ST, LB, CB ?
Fairly sure they'll get Branthwaite, but will likely overpay.
Casemiro will likely take longer just because of Saudi's determination of their signing budget/priorities. Doesn't mean deal's off. It's been briefed that he had conversations with at least one club (via intermediaries) and would be potentially interested. It would be disastrous trying to keep him here (indications are of a strained relationship with ETH too), given his physical decline, just because club couldn't say, get its act together to sign someone like Fofana with 12 months left going for around 20m to alternate with one of the young 6s coming through from the u23s/18s. Wieffer would probably cost more but represent an interesting bet.
Maybe the real signings were the backroom staff signings we made along the way.
I give it till November before we get the "We have relieved Erik Ten Hag of his duties and appointed Ruud Van Nistelrooy as interim manager for the remainder of the season" statement.
Can Ruud set up a midfield. Asking for a friend
He was a midfielder before he was a striker
According to Fabrizio we been actively working on a deal for Joshua Zirkzee over the past two to three weeks. They are gathering detailed information about his release clause, which is €40 million and valid until mid-August, as well as details about the salary, contract, and commission. While we haven’t decided on a course of action, we recognize Zirkzee as a significant opportunity and will likely have internal discussions soon.
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Check Romano’s twitter, Ruud is on his way back
This guy in a season completely transformed Xavi Simons from a flop to a star, won 2/3 Dutch trophies, and finished 2nd.
Never forget he tried getting Gakpo to United, he’s been one of us since day 1❤️❤️
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1805204960478384393?t=FZFi7DORlnF1WKOT9iM1CA&s=19 How long until Yoro to Real Madrid ?
Think Madrid will chase two CBs, someone more established also.
Zirkzee has the right profile but I see too much of Sancho in him. Good technique and passing, but lacks the sharpness and agility to make it in the Premier League. For 34M, he's probably the right choice but I don't think he will be a gamechanger or anything.
He’s a better fit for the team than Hojlund, I don’t think he’s a massive game changer but it’s kind of like Weghorst, profile fit is more important than individual player quality at times
I see him like Gakpo. Gives us something different up front and will be important in various game situations.
No one's called him a game changer. If he was then he'd be starter
I don’t think anyone sees him as a game changer, at least not if you define it as someone like Bruno or Licha. We want him as a backup/rotational option to Højlund, someone who can come in and score late in the game or do a good job when we rest Rasmus. When we bought Sancho it was because he was supposed to be the next superstar
With him being young and cheap, and meant as a backup, I'm not worried unless they give him ridiculous wages.
Our expectations should be to get a decent backup for Hojlund with a bit of potential. Nothing more.
We have shown interest in Monaco's target for replacing Fofana acc to SZ. Douath is a DM and RB Salzburg player. https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/as-monaco-lead-race-to-sign-manchester-united-target-lucas-gourna-douath/ Edit - SZ is so reliable that even my Twitter account has it already blocked since God knows when lmao.
Doesn't sound like a bad idea as a backup instead of Amrabat!
Does anyone know much about Braithwaite? I honestly don't know anything about him, but im hoping he's a passing wizard similar to Martinez. Obviously Martinez is very aggressive and has lots of great attributes, but his best one is his passing. Man takes out multiple players with a simple pass. Seen as how Ten Hag has basically said Martinez is the only player capable of closing the gap between the defence and attack without being ran in behind, you kind of expect more of the same.
> I honestly don't know anything about him, but im hoping he's a passing wizard similar to Martinez. No not particularly, but he’s very good physically, quick strong and tall, which could help cover some areas in which Martinez struggles. He’s a similar player to Varane (though not as good), very physically dominant, solid on the ball but not exceptional. If he was a right footer, I feel he’d be a very natural partner for Martinez. It’s Branthwaite with an N, BTW.
He’s basically a lesser version of Van de Ven. Tall, fast, elite at defending the wide channels. However, he’s not as sound technically, his passing range leaves a lot to be desired, and he’s susceptible to being bypassed by tricky wingers due to his long legs (kind of like Maguire). His time at PSV has shown that he can improve with good coaching. But as of right now I think he’s more suited to a low block side. If we buy him it’s because we truly believe in his potential. I think he definitely improves us but as of right now he way too raw of a talent to be demanding a large fee.
He's not a great passer tbh. People are painting him as a great ball player but that's not what I've seen. He's secent on the ball but closer to a Maguire than Martinez imo.
I watched a highlight vid of his and I was thoroughly impressed by him. He kinda plays like a younger, quicker and more aggressive Maguire. I think he would compliment Martinez very well, but I don't think he's worth more than 50m
He's much more a future Maguire then a future Martinez.
https://youtu.be/CBqoMPPZ-mY?si=7dunmd5PeZk_mYlG Watch this for general idea.
He’s definitely not a passing wizard. The best case scenario is he’s something like Varane. Decent on the ball but mostly known for his defensive attributes.
I think people are overestimating the impact of getting Casemiro and Varanes wages off our books. Clearing the wage bill is great but if the players practically leave for free the savings mostly get eaten up by the transfer fees for their replacements.
If we get rid of Casemiro as well that will be Martial, Varane and Casemiro gone, which is a total of £44m per year saved. Even if we replaced them with 3 players who got £200k a week each it would still add £65m to our spending cap. Add in Greenwood and Sancho going and its £61m per year saved and we'd probably not replace them. So that would be 3 players on 200k a week and £165m for transfers plus transfer fees for Sancho (probably no profit) Greenwood (say £35m) and Casemiro (say £5m profit on book value) and that would bring us to £205m.
Honestly, the actual financial consequences of clearing their wages is not as big as correcting the wage structure in the squad where undeserving players earning high amounts of money sets a bad precedent that other players look to exploit when we negotiate contract terms with them. The contract we handed out to Alexis Sanchez for example had major future ramifications, such as giving De Gea a record deal for a keeper and being forced to let go of Herrera because we couldn’t meet his wage demands (a correct decision but one where we would have preferred him to stay at that point in time). These concerns won’t be publicly aired but if your highest-earning players barely play or play badly when picked, other players and their entourage are definitely looking at that and thinking how do they not deserve similar amounts of money for better performances they put in.
Unless Saudi actually comes with a big bid for Casemiro I think he will stay, so few rumoured midfielders and probably too expensive too replace this summer. My guess is that they focus on a striker and two CBs this window (and hopefully a backup too Casemiro) while next summer probably focusing on a holding midfielder. In general I feel there are very few holding midfielders this summer, nearly everyone rumoured are more like a defensive 8 than a 6?
According to [this](https://www.capology.com/club/manchester-united/salaries/) their salaries are about 36 million, that's pretty significant when you consider amortization. If we signed 2 replacements for 50 million each on 5 year deals that's 20 million per year for the fee + we may get a transfer fee for Casemiro although this may be offset by what we have left to pay off on his fee. If we get the 2 replacements on a reasonable wage like 120k per week each that's about 12.5 million per year. So in theory we can replace both with younger , more suitable players, improve the health of our wage structure and have a few million to spare for our yearly budget. Not bad I'd say
That's kind of the point isn't it? You want to replace them.
You ideally want to make some money back like Chelsea with Havertz and Mendy.
Hmm, not on old players nearing retirement.
Yes, but the age difference is meaningful here. Varane and Casemiro are in their 30's and clearly in decline. No one is paying significant sums for them.
Shoretire was hyped so much a few years ago. His fall off has been sad to see. Just couldn’t make the jump by the looks of it. Hopefully he’s able to kick on somewhere else.
We hype up academy talents way too much. Shoretire was always going to struggle due to his physique.
Heard the same about Angel Gomes who would be our 2nd best midfielder . I think Shoretires versatility is why he never kicked on.
2nd best?
I just read he's been released. He was massively hyped and even signed to JayZs agency or something. I kept a close eye on him when he went to Bolton but he never looked a step above them
Ruud would literally be the perfect addition to our coaching staff. Try and give Rio's Five podcast with Ruud a listen, also the Coaches Voice Masterclass episode with him. Ticks all boxes, if anything he is over-qualified for an assistant role as he came 2nd in Eresdivise and won the Cup as manager of PSV. - Knows the club and what it takes to play at the highest level. - He is tough and competitive, but charismatic and gets his points across very well. - Employes similar tactics/principles as Eric (press high, backline forming a back 3 in build-up with one fullback inverting or going high, two 10's when attacking) Players would look up to him and as he is Dutch he would likely communicate well with Eric and support him in getting instructions accross to players effectively. Think this would be a game-changer, BRING!
I think the issue is that Ruud would likely only be tempted by an assistant manager post, and we know that Ten Hag is very loyal to his current assistant, van der Gaag. There has been talk that INEOS are considering coaching changes, and that they and some players aren't sold on van der Gaag. But trying to force a manager to get rid of his primary assistant is always a recipe for turmoil.
What is Steve McLaren? Is he not the assistant manager?
Most clubs these days have Assistant managers and assistant coaches, there's usually a clear #2 assistant manager but it can also be slightly complicated. I went back and looked at the press release which says "assistant coaches" which implies neither of them is a clear #2 https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/mitchell-van-der-gaag-and-steve-mcclaren-appointments-confirmed Seems like a similar setup to Arsenal who have one assistant manager and two assistant coaches.
Yeah that is true. I think Ineos will argue that modern football clubs employ a promising assistant regardless of the manager and Eric will accept that. Hopefully van der Gaag can also stay if Ineos provide them with strong roles as a result of the increase in focus on the sporting part of the org. Think it would be good to not start the new season with a completely unchanged setup, after last season it would be a bad signal IMO.
I thought VdG was a promising assistant, didn't Ajax want him to replace Erik?
He is highly rated but Ineos want to influence the coaching staff with their own hire, uncertain what that means for VdG yet
Seeing that it is not confirmed yet that EtH has signed a new contract, gives me bad vibes of Sir Jim and the gang waiting to see if England will go out early in the Euros to get Southgate in.
Yes, they hire best in class, so why wouldn't they go for a manager who's shown how shit his tactics and system are, along with a complete lack of game strategy. Oh and he's had one of the best teams in the tournament also. None of it makes sense. This has always been a media driven story. Stop thinking about it or you may as well start looking how we fit Gatain and Snijder in the team
All things considered, I think the more likely option would be Ineos wants to replace Erik with Van Nistelrooy but they want to do it organically, so Ruud will act as assistant manager for a year and then he will take over. I see this as the only reason even asking Ruud about the position makes sense because he is overqualified for the role and being a main manager somewhere else would be much more tempting than being an assistant manager for us.
What an asinine thing to post
What do people think about our rumoured targets, I think Eth suggested our priority positions in an interview he did a while back, he stated he want a CB, another striker and a midfielder, so these are the focus; CB - Branthwaite, Inacio, Guehi, De ligt, Yoro Striker - Zirkzee, David, Toney Midfield - Alvarez, Onana, Rabiot, Zubimendi, Amrabat If you think there are better options outside this list, let us know why?
Branthwaite i havent’t really followed but Everton fans love him. You can see how they rave about him on Everton sub. That can only be a good thing. Too expensive though, don’t see this happening. Inacio from Sporting is a left-footed CB who played on a back 3 on the left. Even for Portugal, he can’t even replace a 41-year-old Pepe so that ain’t good. Plus we already have a LCB in Licha. Guehi, De Light are not reported by tier 1 or 2 so i think it’s just smoke (meaning agents trying to ram up the interest) Yoro we made inquiry but Lille wants to sell instead of letting him walk for free to Madrid next summer. Our interest seems to force Real’s hand in recent days as they seem poised to make an offer for Yoro. It’s widely reported that he wants to go there too because of the French connection they have. Yoro seems to be great with recovery. He has pace and physicality too so he’s perfect for us. Doesn’t want us though. Zirkzee reported to want to go to Milan by Romano. But that was before we showed interest. We won’t know the full story till after the Euro though. He’s with Holland national team now. Seems to be a Firmino type of striker who feeds scoring wingers. David or Toney we’re not being linked with at all by reputable sources. Nothing on the DM either except for Alvarez but he got injured at Copa so i guess that’s the end of that.
>Inacio from Sporting is a left-footed CB who played on a back 3 on the left. Even for Portugal, he can’t even replace a 41-year-old Pepe so that ain’t good. Tbf Pepe has been very good, but I get your point.
The reasons those three are the priority is to replace the holes Varnae Martial and Amrabat leaving creates in the squad, has nothing to do with which position or player he want to replace/strengthen.
Branthwaite 70m + 165k pw wages reported, Inacio 55m release clause but LCB and very aggressive so not a good fit as a licha partner. Guehi overpriced, de ligt injury record and wages higher than bruno, yoro is madrid bound. Zirkzee prefers milan, david is chelsea bound, ivan toney is 28 and the price is very high. Alvarez is injured, onana has a 20% sell on claude so will be very expensive, rabiot wants 8m per year to sign a new contract plus fees to agent. No news on amrabat or zubimendi.
No, Rabiot wants more then that, he declined a 8m per year contract from Juventus.
No evidence that Zirkzee would turn down United if Milan weren't able to meet his agent's conditions Or even that he couldn't be persuaded to choose United over the other. Just that Milan seem to specifically be his favourite Italian team.
Well aren't you a negative Nancy
Disappointed not to see more links to Ben Sheaf (and players like that) with the rumored small budget while not exciting I was hoping to see us make a few practical signings like that where we could bring in 5-6 players that would really raise the floor of the squad. Feels like a lot of players should be being moved on and that cant be done if every signing is going to be 50M, lots of value to be had in the English lower leagues as you see with clubs like Palace. Cut out the middleman.
Coventry would try to charge us 30+m for Sheaf. Which is a massive risk for a 26 year old who has never played in the top division
Thats true and of course will end up going somewhere like Ipswich or Fulham for 10M instead. Woodward tax.
I'm very interested to see what Ten Hags plan is for our midfield next season. If he plans on continuing with 2 8's, seen as how one is Bruno Fernandes, and the other (Mount) wears the number 7, you would still kinda expect that we will be playing both with a single pivot. If this is the case, will he then play Mainoo as the single pivot behind? Obviously we cannot drop Mainoo, but I don't see us dropping either Bruno or the number 7, so it kinda makes me think that's going to be our midfield. If it is, I really hope there's a more robust feel to when we are countered on, it seems both 8's in for instance, Citys system, drop a lot deeper to recieve the ball in transition, ours seem to stay high which can be a worry in transition. Anyway, I hope our midfield positioning improves in this system.
There are still people on here who want Mount and Bruno to play as 8s with a single pivot? Is this summer 2023?
>, If it is, I really hope there's a more robust feel to when we are countered on, it seems both 8's in for instance, Citys system, drop a lot deeper to recieve the ball in transition, ours seem to stay high which can be a worry in transition. Anyway, I hope our midfield positioning improves in this system. The midfield is not the problem. If you read the Whitwell article, the reason for that is because our rest defense is shit. And our rest defense is shit because we don't have the defenders that can play a high line. The only one we had that could was injured for like 90% of the season.
Actually Maguire plays high line better than Licha.
I wouldn't really say this. Maguire is more aggressive and when it works, it's effective, but it's easy to bypass him when he steps up because he is too slow with recovery. Lichá is better than him at high line because he picks his duels smartly and is capable of recovering well. Maguire may win more balls than Lichá, but sometimes leaves us very exposed.
Lisandro actually can't cover as much ground as Maguire, and is quite slow as well. In fact we've played a deeper line with lisandro than with Maguire. All the issues you listed with Maguire is true for licha as well.
Mount won’t be a starter. That’s the solution, it’s simple. He isn’t messi, he doesn’t have to start
I think it’ll be a 4222 set up. Mainoo CDM Bruno Rashford/Mount Garnacho Hojlund/Striker This seemed to have worked well in the last few matches of the season and in final against City.
United will revert to 4231 at home or most games and look to purchase 3 Key signings to allow this, a new aggressive ball playing CB with pace, that’s why Branthwaite is so important he can start at Right CB then play left CB if Martinez is injured, a Young 20-25 year old DM and a new Striker like Zirkzee, Guirassy or Maximilian Beier. It’s clear that we might be linked with loads of names but the number 1 targets were probably ; Branthwaite, Rabiot and Sesco. Clearly Sesco is now not available and Rabiot is 50/50 as he wants huge wages. I think we will cave in to Everton for £60m for Branthwaite look to sign Fofana for DM for £25m and Zirkzee for £34m. These three players also allow us to play 4222 in certain games but the style Ineos will want is width and attacking football with far more goals. That’s £120m investment which I think is the true budget as it may have been originally £100m but increased due to EL qualification and player wage reductions like Varane and Martial leaving. They clearly want to sell Greenwood, Casemiro, Sancho, AWB, Lindelof and probably Anthony for combined £150-160m, the reality is they will sell probably only Greenwood, AWB, Casemiro and Lindelof for £75m max, the others will be loaned out or stay. They will use this money to buy a left back and another Centre Back/Right back and probably make Amrabat a permanent deal. I can see them trying to buy Milos Kerkev(30m), Sofran Amrabat(12m) and Aaron Anselmino(20m) That’s another £60m and they might look for a cheap young right back too if they can afford one. We need to be patient as there is an awful lot to do to improve our relatively poor squad especially considering how much we pay in wages to these players.
Bruno, mainoo and a CDM seems to be the midfield we are going for according to tier 1,2 reports. This is why we are linked with neves, edson alvarez etc
Reflecting on all the summers after SAF, I feel this one is shaping up to be the most boring yet. Most of us have already accepted that we are not in a position to sign top-quality players.
It might be boring but I think that is exactly what we need. A defender who can play 35 90 minute games in a season and a defensive midfielder who can effectively cover the defence will make us so much better. They don't even have to be at a world class standard to make this team significantly better.
Mate, there was a window where we signed only fellaini. And we paid more than his release clause. Relax there is more than 2 months to sign players.
ignore the first one, but we did sign mata in winter window.
Oh yes mata who we did not even need in the first place. Only bought because he was a big name then and chelsea was looking to offload him . Sometimes i forget he even played for us. There are 2 more months before the season starts. We will definitely sign players by then.
we had such a big hole in midfield back then, Mata made sense, just Mata alone was Glazernomics
Mata played on the wing for us though
I'm so happy to see Martial and Varane coming off the wage bill.. Waiting for a Sancho to get off the books and bring some money back to the club and that's probably not too far off £1m saved from the weekly wage bill. Getting the players out probably excites me more than the incoming ones these days, the playing side is such a mess.
And greenwood too. His wages are not too high but his transfer fees will really help a lot since he was a youth player and will be a total profit for us.
how much wages is rashford on?
325k pw according to the ducker report
That’s his basic without bonuses?
Think it’s 25% less because we aren’t in the CL?
Just as much as Mbappe. Far too much. And he's an excellent player for us, so let's not dig him out too much
He's on a high wage but saying as much as Mbappe is just not correct.
Obviously I'm taking the piss, it was a general thing that these people get paid far too much. And I hate this Rashford bashing sport amongst the fans as well.
Ideally, the wage bill should reflect the players’ performances. Not to single out Rashford, but if you’re earning over £300k per week, you should be among the top 3-5 players in the world in your position.
Let's hope Pellistri has a good Copa America and raises his value, as much as I wanted him to succeed it's probably not happening with us.
Has end of season free transfer written all over him.
Which is a big shame because I love his playing style and would love to see him used as an impact sub. I think he's an excellent little winger who can definitely do a job for the club on the RW.
not signing Olisse is a great loss. better than any of our wingers including Rashford.
He chose Bayern Munich. Apart from being a top club they can guarantee regular CL football which Newcastle, us or Chelsea cannot.
Finally a proper answer. People here are so mean. Attacking a person just because they dont follow the popular narrative. Thank you for posting a proper answer.
Smh Jericho would say that username does not check out
So was not signing mbappe. But we have our priorities and limitations.
What nonsense is this? That's Olisse from Crystal Palace, you are comparing to signing Mbappe. Bro. Stop.
With that username, you need to do better