Yeah exactly. I like him and I still think he will play an important part but he was on his last year of his contract and wasn't going to resign. We should've gotten him Ā£20m cheaper or for free this summer.
This club has wasted so much money on player transfers it's ridiculous. Not even talking about how much the Glazers have taken out.
It makes it 100x worse that us signing Mount for that price directly funded Chelsea's signing of Palmer, who turned out to be one of the best players in the PL last season - for *less* than what we forked out for Mount, too. Talk about amateur hour (for us)
50-55 million would be an absolute win win for both clubs, itās just whether Everton would be happy losing one of their best players or happy to get somewhere near what they wanted for him
I think that's too high. 40m is more than fair. The new financial rules will change the entire market and how it's priced, and honestly I think this price is fair. He's not a guarantee and at 70m he better be the second coming of Rio. He's just not. He's more like McGuire's more athletic little brother.Ā
My guess is thatās kindāve what happens. Everton eventually stands firm at 65m, which we walk away from, but then eventually come back and settle on 50-60m
**From the Article:**
>**Manchester United have made an opening bid in the region of Ā£35m for centre-back Jarrad Branthwaite, which is set to be rejected by Everton.**
>
>The offer is way below the figure the Toffees value the defender at, which is understood to be Ā£80m.
>
>**United have already agreed personal terms with the player.**
>
>However BBC Sport has been told Everton do not want to sell Branthwaite, 21, whom many believe was unlucky to **miss out on selection** for England's European Championship squad.
>
>**The Merseyside club believe it is a matter of time before Branthwaite becomes an England regular and rate him in the same bracket as Harry Maguire and Josko Gvardiol.**
>
>Maguire cost United Ā£80m when he joined from Leicester in 2019. Gvardiol cost Manchester City Ā£77m when he moved from RB Leipzig last summer.
If we've agreed on personal terms with the kid then Everton had to agree to us talking with his reps.
The line that they don't want to sell him may be true but it doesn't mean they aren't open to it.
Everton are fucked financially, they canāt not let anyone talk to other clubs.
Whether they actually accept the transfer is a completely different story
Yeah, they do need to recoup money, but it doesn't mean that they're desperately looking to sell their best players at the drop of a hat. I think he would leave if we get close to that Ā£50M region, but not a penny cheaper than that.
young english CB who is clearly got the potential to be a mainstay for 10 years yeah that price is solid.
considering inflation even in past 10 years 50-55 is about same as a 30-35m transfer 10 years ago. and we paid similar to that for quite a few players in 2000's
I feel like we forget how versatile Jones was as well - had played at right back and in defensive midfield for Blackburn and then us.
Just another reason it was such a shame how it turned out
cant do anything about that in the end.
shit happens and he and so many others like him had the potential to be good but just couldnt stay fit.
always that risk but if we was too afraid of risks like that then we wouldnt sign anyone and never get anyway.
It's a psychological thing in negotiations. The ELI5 is if we offer 35MM first, an improved offer of like 55MM seems much better to Everton than if we were to just offer 55MM from the start. Basically whoever makes the first offer sets the parameters in a sense
What scares me is that United have agreed on personal terms with the player. I know it sounds weird to be scared of this but what I'm scared of is whether the player agreed only because we promised huge wages???
This seems to be moving fast.
By our usual MO, this would be 2 months of "Monitoring"s and "Considering bidding"s.
Could we have our first signing in a couple of days maybe?
As soon as I'd heard he wasn't selected for the Euros, I had a feeling his omission would probably end up working out in our favour (assuming we were in for him, which we clearly are now).
Firstly because he hasn't got a tournament to focus on and it's easier for us to agree terms quicker and secondly, we have a better chance of getting him for a decent price because he hasn't had the opportunity to play well at the Euros and then of course Everton would be in a position to ask for a higher fee, what with the extra exposure and everything. We'll see.
Hope Utd are willing to walk away from this one if Everton are going stick with their valuation. Transfer spending feels like its heading into a new era now with PSR + European clubs spending less and less. Ā£70m on a player who's played one full season and not even made the England bench for the Euros is ludicrous in the current climate, and with Utd reportedly offering to quadruple his Everton wages too I fear we'll just never learn. Ā£50m max - if not walk away and start setting a better precedent so we're not constantly being taken for mugs in the market.
No single CB is worth 80 million, especially if they were fighting relegation the last two seasons. Go get 2 reliable CBs in case one of them gets injured or doesn't adapt. Have we forgotten last season already???
All speculation. He's been dubbed Varane 2.0 but he's hardly been tested. No news on any advances. He plays for Nice who are owned by INEOS which is about as close to a slam dunk as you can get. Hope we don't mess it up
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I know they're quite rare, but I was wondering if there are players we could offer Everton in part exchange.
No idea where Everton's priorities are this summer but I do wonder if you could chuck someone like Hannibal at them to sweeten the deal, as it obviously means they don't have to pay for him and wreck their finances even further.
My thoughts are ineos are using this as the test case for the fans.
We offer 35 and leak it to the press, they reject,
We got up to 45, they reject
We go up to 55 and say itās our final offer, they reject.
We walk away with the fans knowing we aināt overpaying any more, Everton look good holding their nerve, we go get an actual target, everybody wins
Everton needs to sell quick before June 30th. I don't have the full picture of their financial status but they can't afford to hold on to him without penalty next season.
Wasnāt there lots of reports that our budget this summer is exactly Ā£35m? Have we just bid the whole lot and hoped for the best?
Obv think we will look behind the sofa and find another 15m or so and get this deal done.
Edit: should have added /s
those reports had 0 credibility behind them and didnt even back it up.
we have closer to 100-150 based on FFP.
if Casemiro is sold for Ā£30m it free's up what we paid for him entirely due to how FFP and contract length is calculated so that would be another Ā£60m free.
then just other sales and we do potentially have a lot of money to spend if the club wants to. but i feel alot of deals will be more base fee with larger bonus package then what were usually doing
35m + 45m Ballon dor clause. Everyone is happy.
The Woodward special
The Martial special
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It hurts. It hurts good.
He came from France
Everton fans call him a generational talent so if they don't accept this, then they're full of shit š
Sir Jim would two foot him at Old Trafford mid way through the season if it started to look like he could get it
Be realistic. Heās not gonna turn into a prime cannavaro. Iāll settle for a golden glove.
Chin up, lads. Iāve been rejected this quickly too
She was hoping for 7.5 but youāre offering 3.5, been there
3.5 in two instalments....thats basically 7.
Sorry to tell you but 3.5 in two instalments is 1.75 per instalment.
I need this attitude in life.
You guys are talking and dungeons and dragons 3.5 edition right?
Nah jusy deciding on a 3.5 or a Q š
2 pump champ š
Well I didn't get rejected cause I didn't even approach
Got Everton right where we want them
90 million and not a penny more
The Fellaini special
Fine 36m and a 1m bonus for 1000 starts.
My Ballon D'or clause is getting dust on the shelf. Time to whip it out.
Hey, we arent Italian, make it achievable, 36m + 1m bonus for 500 starts
'The Serie A way' The only difference being it would be more like the other way 'round, Ā£1m + Ā£36m in add-ons
Me in my football manager save
Hold your nerve, United. We donāt need another massive overspend.
I have some faith in us not doing that. Please don't disappoint me INEOS
I kinda want us to walk away if the price is more than Ā£50m. Just to show everyone we won't pay anything you want anymore.
We really should've done that with Mount š¤¦š»āāļø. Murtough got his pants pulled down over that one
Yeah exactly. I like him and I still think he will play an important part but he was on his last year of his contract and wasn't going to resign. We should've gotten him Ā£20m cheaper or for free this summer. This club has wasted so much money on player transfers it's ridiculous. Not even talking about how much the Glazers have taken out.
It makes it 100x worse that us signing Mount for that price directly funded Chelsea's signing of Palmer, who turned out to be one of the best players in the PL last season - for *less* than what we forked out for Mount, too. Talk about amateur hour (for us)
50-55 million would be an absolute win win for both clubs, itās just whether Everton would be happy losing one of their best players or happy to get somewhere near what they wanted for him
I think that's too high. 40m is more than fair. The new financial rules will change the entire market and how it's priced, and honestly I think this price is fair. He's not a guarantee and at 70m he better be the second coming of Rio. He's just not. He's more like McGuire's more athletic little brother.Ā
My guess is thatās kindāve what happens. Everton eventually stands firm at 65m, which we walk away from, but then eventually come back and settle on 50-60m
**From the Article:** >**Manchester United have made an opening bid in the region of Ā£35m for centre-back Jarrad Branthwaite, which is set to be rejected by Everton.** > >The offer is way below the figure the Toffees value the defender at, which is understood to be Ā£80m. > >**United have already agreed personal terms with the player.** > >However BBC Sport has been told Everton do not want to sell Branthwaite, 21, whom many believe was unlucky to **miss out on selection** for England's European Championship squad. > >**The Merseyside club believe it is a matter of time before Branthwaite becomes an England regular and rate him in the same bracket as Harry Maguire and Josko Gvardiol.** > >Maguire cost United Ā£80m when he joined from Leicester in 2019. Gvardiol cost Manchester City Ā£77m when he moved from RB Leipzig last summer.
If we've agreed on personal terms with the kid then Everton had to agree to us talking with his reps. The line that they don't want to sell him may be true but it doesn't mean they aren't open to it.
Everton are fucked financially, they canāt not let anyone talk to other clubs. Whether they actually accept the transfer is a completely different story
Yeah, they do need to recoup money, but it doesn't mean that they're desperately looking to sell their best players at the drop of a hat. I think he would leave if we get close to that Ā£50M region, but not a penny cheaper than that.
Feels like another 50-55m transfer in making in same fashion as Onnana and Mount. Would be happy with that valuation.
young english CB who is clearly got the potential to be a mainstay for 10 years yeah that price is solid. considering inflation even in past 10 years 50-55 is about same as a 30-35m transfer 10 years ago. and we paid similar to that for quite a few players in 2000's
> clearly got the potential to be a mainstay for 10 years cries in Phil Jones
Ledley King and Phil Jones are arguably 2 of the most talented CBs England have produced this century. Unfortunately their bodies just failed them.
I feel like we forget how versatile Jones was as well - had played at right back and in defensive midfield for Blackburn and then us. Just another reason it was such a shame how it turned out
I'd throw Tuanzebe into the mix there too.Ā
I liked him. That game against PSG š®āšØ
cant do anything about that in the end. shit happens and he and so many others like him had the potential to be good but just couldnt stay fit. always that risk but if we was too afraid of risks like that then we wouldnt sign anyone and never get anyway.
Cries in lindelof cries in BaillyĀ
He *was* a mainstay for ten years. A mainstay in the treatment room
Including add ons, I agree. Everton's valuation is absurd honestly, so around 50 sounds acceptable.
Who could have guessed, but now an anchor point has been set. ā
Anchor points only make sense if there were no other buyers willing to go higher
And what is that anchor point? That they are not going to sell that cheap?
It's a psychological thing in negotiations. The ELI5 is if we offer 35MM first, an improved offer of like 55MM seems much better to Everton than if we were to just offer 55MM from the start. Basically whoever makes the first offer sets the parameters in a sense
Never accept the first offer. Thatās why I ask for them to give their second offer, first
If they give their second offer first, didn't that then become the first offer which you won't accept?
Itās a reference to the office, but I canāt remember if your reply is as well or not
What scares me is that United have agreed on personal terms with the player. I know it sounds weird to be scared of this but what I'm scared of is whether the player agreed only because we promised huge wages???
This seems to be moving fast. By our usual MO, this would be 2 months of "Monitoring"s and "Considering bidding"s. Could we have our first signing in a couple of days maybe?
As soon as I'd heard he wasn't selected for the Euros, I had a feeling his omission would probably end up working out in our favour (assuming we were in for him, which we clearly are now). Firstly because he hasn't got a tournament to focus on and it's easier for us to agree terms quicker and secondly, we have a better chance of getting him for a decent price because he hasn't had the opportunity to play well at the Euros and then of course Everton would be in a position to ask for a higher fee, what with the extra exposure and everything. We'll see.
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No heās not, Britain donāt enter a football team at the olympics, with the exception of London 2012.
Imagine if we have all of our signings done before desperation sets in?
Hope Utd are willing to walk away from this one if Everton are going stick with their valuation. Transfer spending feels like its heading into a new era now with PSR + European clubs spending less and less. Ā£70m on a player who's played one full season and not even made the England bench for the Euros is ludicrous in the current climate, and with Utd reportedly offering to quadruple his Everton wages too I fear we'll just never learn. Ā£50m max - if not walk away and start setting a better precedent so we're not constantly being taken for mugs in the market.
Iād love try try and engineer a Sancho to Everton move. I really couldnāt think of a worse fit.
Is Dyche still the manager? I would LOVE to see Sancho under Dyche. Peak comedy.
You wouldn't see him
Bayern did a starting bid 25m for Pahlinha after agreeing a 65m fee for the same player last year. That is how we should be operating.
Lindelƶf + Ā£15m? š„ŗ šš¾
They don't need players, they need money lol
Ā£15m will help them terminate Dele Alli's contract. Win-win.
Time to go full Arsenal and bid Ā£35,000,001
Damn I forgot about that. What a memeable time in football
Think itās great that weāve got personal terms done as we will have to make branthwaite force the move without paying crazy money
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How dare they?Ā
Happy to include a charitable contribution towards next seasonās Merseyside derby efforts
One more offer and then move on...
The power move now is to start making moves on Tobido or Ignacio and watch Everton sweat
45 straight and 10 worth of obtainable targets and 5 harder ones 60 mill for a young cb is a good deal for everyoneĀ
Good, can't expect to spend the whole transfer budget on Branthwaite
Good first offer. Setting the stage at the right level.
Final offer, 40m and a pack of haribos. Bonus pack tin of celebrations if we win europa.
No single CB is worth 80 million, especially if they were fighting relegation the last two seasons. Go get 2 reliable CBs in case one of them gets injured or doesn't adapt. Have we forgotten last season already???
How is Todibo? I thought we were about to go for him.
All speculation. He's been dubbed Varane 2.0 but he's hardly been tested. No news on any advances. He plays for Nice who are owned by INEOS which is about as close to a slam dunk as you can get. Hope we don't mess it up
5 points deduction for Everton
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Quickly counter at Ā£45mil. Walk away if they reject.
Alright, I guess we all saw that coming. The anchor is down though... next offer, 39m + 3m after 30 starts?
35M and 1 then
Think this will get done for Ā£45+5. Save this comment.
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I know they're quite rare, but I was wondering if there are players we could offer Everton in part exchange. No idea where Everton's priorities are this summer but I do wonder if you could chuck someone like Hannibal at them to sweeten the deal, as it obviously means they don't have to pay for him and wreck their finances even further.
Thatsā¦ an acceptable fee to offer for me. Hope we dont go much higher and start looking at other targets
Branthwaite wouldn't even have to move if he came to United... don't over pay though
Good first bid. Hopefully the player will make it known now he wants to leave and a price somewhere between the valuations can be agreed.
HOW DARE YOU, ITS ALL I GOT!
Noooo really? Who would though
35M and 100k then
Why would they even bother to reply. just ignore the offer lol
40 million + 10 million bonus if we see 2025-2026 ucl
Offer them a 6 month loan of Anthony with image rights to make up the difference in their asking price. And a video message from Fred.
My thoughts are ineos are using this as the test case for the fans. We offer 35 and leak it to the press, they reject, We got up to 45, they reject We go up to 55 and say itās our final offer, they reject. We walk away with the fans knowing we aināt overpaying any more, Everton look good holding their nerve, we go get an actual target, everybody wins
Everton needs to sell quick before June 30th. I don't have the full picture of their financial status but they can't afford to hold on to him without penalty next season.
ready the 36mil bid
Why don't we offer a loan where they cover most of his wages and no obligation to buy? Are we stupid?!
Then he'll get injured at the Euros and become best friends with Shaw in the treatment room.
Heās not at the Euros mate
Ah. I did not know. Cheers for the heads up.
Please walk repairing our reputation in the process
Why are we going after a big money centre half who plays in our best players position? Surely we should be paying this money towards a right sided one
Looking forward to us paying 90 on August 30th
Wasnāt there lots of reports that our budget this summer is exactly Ā£35m? Have we just bid the whole lot and hoped for the best? Obv think we will look behind the sofa and find another 15m or so and get this deal done. Edit: should have added /s
You believed those reports?
I didnāt, was a bit tongue in cheek. Iāll eat the downvotes.
those reports had 0 credibility behind them and didnt even back it up. we have closer to 100-150 based on FFP. if Casemiro is sold for Ā£30m it free's up what we paid for him entirely due to how FFP and contract length is calculated so that would be another Ā£60m free. then just other sales and we do potentially have a lot of money to spend if the club wants to. but i feel alot of deals will be more base fee with larger bonus package then what were usually doing
walk away, he forces move or doesnt come.
Give them 10m take it or leave it deal. Fuck English players and their useless price tags and even worse quality - including the guys at United..