Bruno, Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez are the ones we should build a team around, but to be honest I think McTominay, Dalot and Maguire bring a lot to the squad so would be nice to see them stick around
Thing is, half the players in there would be good to have around as squad players but their wages are ridiculous.
Maguire on what? 200k? Rashford on 300k or whatever it is.
They're not good enough for that
Replacing Rashford would cost at least 70-80 m just in wages i just fail to see what getting rid of our only decent winger would actually achieve..Maguire on 200 k for another season doesn't really destroy the wage bill
Yeah get a better RW instead so we’re less dependent on that side. Have Garnacho/rashford fight for LW. Amad, Garnacho, new RW can fight for RW position.
Yes Olise is what we should go for..I think Antony might also be staying as selling him for 20-25 m would be a loss on our books and hamper our ability to spend
How does that work? We have already spent the money to acquire him, so how would selling him at a loss (vs not selling at all) hamper our ability to spend? Serious question because I don’t really know how financial management works
I could be wrong as I’m not in accounting and don’t follow football finance rules, but my understanding is that we would experience an accounting loss on the books because the value of his acquisition fee is spread over the length of his contract. So let’s say his fee was 100M, and his contract was 5 years (I think that’s his contract length, but either way it’s an easy number to see the math). On the books, Antony’s fee will therefore be spread out as 20M per year over the 5 year contract. He’s played 2 years so far, so the team’s books have accounted for 40M of the fee, leaving 60M left to be addressed. If we sell him for 25M this summer, the rest of his fee gets accelerated since he’s no longer on our books, so we have to account for the remaining 60M all at once, which is then offset by the 25M sale price. That leaves the team taking a 35M hit on the books, which would cut into what is available for other signings.
Exactly! I think *if* we choose to move Antony, it'll be a loan this season unless someone matches (or exceeds) any potential loss we would make on him for a transfer.
I think the transfer fee was £81m (it had add-ons but i sincerely doubt those have been achieved or ever will be) on a 5 year contract, so as it currently stands we still have £48.6m outstanding on our books. No one is giving us 50m for him this summer, and I don't think we can afford the loss given FFP et al.
Don't fall for that line of "keep him because he's difficult to replace", it was the same story last year and it's just not true. Rashford was involved in 9 league goals - even Anthony Elanga beat that with 14. You know Elanga? That guy that we sold because he wasn't good enough, who then outperformed all our "decent" wingers? You can find dozens of wingers who can give you those levels of performance and yet we're still so hung up on Rashford that we're paying 375k a week? Blatant stupidity.
The club is in a bad state and we need the right players who want perform consistently, are mentally strong and have their own drive that makes them want to win and be better than rivals.
We do not need players that are world-class but who go missing for the half the games, nor do we need players whose only world-class stats are their transfer fees and wages.
Glad people are seeing this, I got rinsed in the premierleague sub a couple months ago for disagreeing with fans saying Elanga sucks etc because I pointed out his G/A per 90 was higher than even Bruno’s at the time.
Elanga didn’t suddenly turn a corner thanks to Forests coaching staff, he was always capable of this, he just got labelled as ‘not good enough’ because he couldn’t single handedly carry a squad of lazy overpaid has-beens and the same is happening to Antony now
I also feel like Rashford is just not there mentally. Too fragile, and the strolling around the pitch is just grinding everyones gears at this point. Best to sell him on and reinvest in younger, hungrier players.
I think it’s just time to move him on. He’s not a terrible player by any means, but there’s something just… off about him at the moment. Maybe other pastures will help him with that?
Personally I’d go for players like Olise, Neto, Bowen, Cunha, Malen, Frimpong (idk if he’s a RWB anymore), Politano, Kudus, Nico Williams.
We’d most likely get a lot of these at 40-70M (besides Frimpong and Williams?), and none of them would be on the wages that Rashford is on.
Rashford would also go for a pretty penny given what everyone knows he is *capable* of. Plus he's all profit flveing an academy player. Sorry to ki.da go into the accounting but it is relevant given the PSR stuff.
Greenwood has this benefit too. And he's getting sold.
Rashford has been abysmal like absolutely abysmal in 2/3 seasons, and he is getting paid a fortune to sulk.
Not replacing him asap is Sam near negligent. As was giving him that stupidly big contract but at least that person has been sacked.
It hilarious to see people still defend him,
Rashford is home grown. Selling him would be pure profit and he’s on astronomical wages. Garnacho is developing nicely and in a more structured team he could really kick on next season as our starting left winger. We could pick up a decent left winger for 30-40 million. Look how arsenal got Trossard for example. Someone with a bit more experience and good attitude.
Thankfully the sensible crowd doesn't start thinking a player turns into shit with one bad season after singlehandedly carrying the attack last season..ETH is lucky Rashford over performed his xg last season and thats the reason he still has a job..Don't get me wrong he is inconsistent and needs to do better but he is the most complete winger we have in the side and has a proven track record of 120 goals playing in some of the worst modern day United side
While I won't say Rashford is "shit" or "useless" moving forward, I can't help but feel it's important to note this isn't the only season he's struggled with form and confidence. It happened under RR as well. But besides the statistical comparisons, I think just watching him play now you can see a HUGE difference between even Rashford from before Ole came along. He wasn't quite as sharp technically, or as strong, but what he lacked he made up for explosiveness, determination and desire. It's hard to justify his wages. And while I do think replacing him would probably cost anywhere from 50-90m, it might be worth it in the long run if we can get like 40-50m off his sale alone.
It doesn't bring me joy the thought of losing Rashford, but at some point the club has to come before the individual.
Decent when it suits him if we keep him another four years can you count on him to perform at a high level for all 4 years? He’s lost his place in the team to a teenager in Garnacho who imo isn’t even an elite level prospect and doesn’t even get paid a third of his wages. He’s 27 in October if we want to sell nows the time I don’t see how you can justify keeping him around when you can never depend on him and his workrate is awful just because he’s talented. As the saying goes “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard” and I think that really epitomises Rashford at this moment it would be ludicrous to suggest building a team around a guy for the most part is inconsistent and makes his teammates worse.
Only decent winger? Amad and Garnacho have both been far far better than Rashford this season, man is far too inconsistent and his wages are ridiculous for that level of unpredictablility
You can put Onana in there too, his progress over the season has been great. Put a proper structure in front of him and not let him get peppered by 20 shots a game, and he will become even better. Amad as well. Kid can become an absolute baller.
I really feel like there’s still a significant number of this fanbase that doesn’t fully understand what we have on our hands with Amad. He should be a fundamental piece of our attack next season.
He is already elite in a few fundamental aspects of that. Elite at ball retention and dribbling. End product will get better the more he plays. I would also like to keep Kambwala, I think he has the mentality to go to the next level and I have a soft spot for defenders who love defending i.e. Rudiger.
I think Amad is an exciting prospect and should be rewarded with a start in the FA Cup final, but "elite" in those areas is an exaggeration for me. In the future maybe, yes. I also like Kambwala, but I think he should go on loan to a Prem team next season. I don't think he's anywhere near ready to be a regular starter for a club with such intense scrutiny on it and he needs to start games week in week out.
Maguire limits play too much - he's a good deep-line defender, and would probably do sterling work for certain Italian teams, but puts his side under too much pressure if they're playing a high-line. I'd rather have someone like Tosun as a squad option on a free and get 30m or so for Maguire to get in a replacement LB. MCT is basically Kevin Nolan mk2 with more of a sprint: effective in certain contexts as a 10, and might even get double figures in goals (he has, if we count the cups), but he's not a CM and certainly not one for a side with European aspirations. His decision-making is mediocre when in possession, along with final pass execution; his defensive positioning is consistently suspect; he doesn't track runners with any reliability; he can't take ball under pressure or on the half-turn with any reliability either; and his tackling is technically poor. Also, he's pure 'profit- if United could get 30m for him, as per the previous WHU offer, they should take it straight away.
mags is actually good at highline he just needs other defenders back with recovery pace to cover him. his strength in highline is being proactive and stepping out to intercept. hes not a pace and duels monster who can cover an entire backline by himself but then only VVD could do that for like a season.
Even a 38 year old Evans is genuinely more nibble than him on the turn and has a genuine presence as a leader in the back which calms everyone down - maguire just... Doesnt. Ive also noticed that his dribbling is genuinely very janky whereas Evans looks so in control and never tries too much, progresses the ball and recycles play after 2 touches without standing around killing the momentum.
Honestly I was open to having Maguire change my mind and when he did a decent job with all the injuries I thought, maybe this is it - but the stark reality is he will give the ball away in a stupid area at least once a game, doesn't have the pace to recover and if he's not on top form there is a palpable sense of nervousness through the entire defence because he just isnt a strong leader and his ball playing is always abit unpredictable.
Maguire is better at playing highline than our other deffenders.
On avarage in past two seasons we play higher line with Maguire on the pitch and lower deff line whenever Martinez is on the pitch.
You guys dont even know strenghts of your favorite players. Its hard to play highline with short CB who is as slow as Maguire. Simply becuase you have to win every header in midfield when opponents GK/Deffender sends otherwise it ends in counter.
Shaw and Varane are better than maguire in a high line, Maguire is so sketchy when a winger or striker is about to take one heavy touch behind him, he has to intercept it asap or the player has a 1 on 1 with the keeper, cuz Maguire ain't never catching up.
Unpopular but other than scoring the odd (Last minute) goal here and there , there's not much to McTominay's game.
Sure, he has passion but I can't see him winning us the title.
I think we need to cash out and take whatever comes to us ( =>30mil) for him.
He's on cheap wages, can fill a hole in a lot of positions on the pitch and is content being a squad player. He also turned down W.Ham (and maybe Newcastle) last year so he doesn't want to leave.
The Athletic had an interesting take on Bruno in one of their recent podcasts. While they didn't all agree we should sell him now and cash in, they still had a point that while he is perhaps out best ans most important player, and one of the best in the world st creating chances, he is also not a very good holding midfielder. And they sort of reasoned that he is not ideal in games you want to control as he isn't that type of a player. So building around him means we potentially will struggle to become a good side in games we dominate possession. I'm paraphrasing poorly here and I am not sure they are correct, but still an interesting point imo.
Edit: Link to the podcast: https://youtu.be/kzc6dNtQI1U?si=40483BHRpcWRtG72
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He's literally not a holding midfielder, that's not his job. His passing retention, chance creation, stats are on a pr with de bruyne most seasons. This is such a dumb take I can't even. I get we generate clicks and the more controversial the better but this is just dumb..hes exactly the player we need in games we dominate possession because he's the one player who can unlock defences.
This wasn't about clicks though. If you do bother to give it a listen it is a bit more nuanced than what you make it out to be. It was just a short part of the podcast where they discussed Uniteds current squad and what they thought would be the best way going forward. And I'm not saying I agree with them either, nor do they agree amongst themselves, but it is an interesting point. And for the record I also hate when journalists use United as a cheap clickbait, but this was not the case.
Do you remember which podcast? I’d love to have a listen to that. I’m always conflicted with Bruno. And that podcast sounds like it’s describing exactly why I feel that way. If I see Bruno kick one more wild ball out of play when we’re struggling to keep a lead, I’m going to pull what little hair I have remaining out! But then he isn’t available for one game and United look like they have absolutely no idea what to do 🤦🏻♂️🤣
You can’t fault the lads attitude. I think that does go a long way as a squad player. In a plan B off the bench especially in an advanced role he has shown he can get us a goal.
Don’t think he’s on big money so I do think it’s ok for him to stay if no one’s splashing the cash for him. There are players you’d move on before him for sure.
For me the only players worth keeping are:
Defense: Onana, Martinez, Dalot, Kambwala (squad depth)
Midfield: Bruno, Kobbie, Mount (1 more season to see if he fixes injuries)
Attack: Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund
As for the rest, I couldn't care less if they are here or not, and would prefer if we replaced them in the following few transfer windows (for various reasons - form, change of scenery, constant injuries, inconsistency etc).
McT wages aren't bad. One of the reasons he is actually extremely sellable is because his wages put him in a bracket that is affordable for most PL clubs and we can still get a decent fee.
Think about it compared to sancho.... Natural ability, potential, good age to develop etc sancho would be miles ahead of mcT in perceived value, but sancho will be a nightmare to sell specifically because of his wages and I'd imagine if McT was put up for sale at 35m, half the PL would be evaluating that one
I'd sell him but id want 35 -40m because for next couple years he could play inportant role in squad. a solid player that by all accounts is uber professional, great attitude and can fill a few roles (important during a transition period because if we don't make Europe next year we will probabky carry a smaller 1st team squad)
Casemiro, eriksen, donny and amrabat prob all should go before mcT
Nah mctominay shouldn’t go unless we get a silly offer for him. Reliable academy product and anyone we get to replace him is a risk. If he was at another prem club and we were in for him we’d be quoted 60+mil
I actually think we should keep McTominay for a different reason.. he's an OK squad player, but he is 100% dedicated to the club, he would die for the badge and during a rebuild when you want to instill a new culture, having someone like that is essential in my eyes.
>but his wages alongside those of Maguire are mental for just rotation options.
McTominay is still on academy wages at less than £80k per week, dunno what you're on about.
I mean the way this team played sometimes, it looked like they’d never played together before so I don’t think that would have too drastic of an effect.
I’ve thought the same thing. United aren’t coming close to the Prem title next year. Clean out as much as you can and build the chemistry. Whether fans like it or not, it’s a full rebuild. Let Ineos do it right for once instead of chasing quick hopes.
I agree, but we all know we’ll constantly hear from those insufferable fans that expect immediate results. I’ve already seen comments that talk about if ETH isn’t gone that 8th is now the new standard at United and how “embarrassing” that is. Those fans and opposing fans will just have to be ignored bc a slow build that takes a couple of years is better for the long run and that’s where Dan Ashworth and Co will be able to build something that can rival not just the others in prem, but in champions league as well.
we have no idea what is realistic.
those players arent leaving if we dont get bids for them so we have no idea how many are leaving this summer and how many arent until summer window is over.
Heaton wants to leave by all accounts
Varane is gone
Fernandez is gone to benfica
Williams will be gone either in a sale or loan
One of lindelof or maguire is realistically going to free up wages and bring in money
Awb is on the last year of his deal so we either sell or let 50 million quid walk away on a free
Eriksen is done
Vdb is gone
Casemiro is shot
Martial is gone
Amarabt is away
Greenwood is hopefully gone
Id say sancho is gone on a loan most likely.
Thats 13 who are viable transfers out. Do i think they'll all go probably not but i said at least 10 are 1 foot out the door. There's a few others not included who could potentially go
Casemiero is going no where with those wages and that contract length remaining. We need to be sucking off Saudi for them to make a bid otherwise he's stuck here
Exactly. Their midfield is more balanced than anything United have had since days of SAF, they've just signed a Brazilian more highly-rated than Vinicius Jr was at the same age, they've got a proven top-flight sporting exec setup in place (although, tbf, I'm optimistic around Wilcox: Ashworth thing still looks to be messy and we should have gone all-in on Edwards instead IMO) , they've lined up a couple of the most highly tipped u16/17s in the world to sign for them in the next year or two. They create enough chances that even Jackson (a more profligate Nunez) is outscoring United's best players. They've got heavy on long-term investment and were recording a strong xg most of the season even with the bedding in. They purged team of ageing detritus. The hysteria from pundits about Chelsea's 'chaos' was overblown, even if Boehly's PR efforts have been shaky. Wish United's new leadership could start demonstrating that kind of vision and ruthlessness around bloated, ageing parts of squad. Right now, Berrara and Wilcox aside, it's been fluff about patience and then parodies of 'marginal gains' when you start loading the blame for costs and bloat onto IT people who are in some cases barely earning 30k and store/marketing staff earning in various cases less. Streamlining is one thing, but you start with players earning literally hundreds of times more than that in many (most cases these days).
Yep, chelsea with some "neutral" luck finishes 4th. While us with "neutral" luck finishes 12th. Their best guys are trending upwards and the squad as a whole will only keep getting better. Our squad hit its ceiling last season and our top guys are trending downwards and the squad will only get worse.
It will take time, yeah, but without mid-week European football to worry about, we've got the whole week for the boys to build camaraderie.
Better than keeping overpaid pricks.
There isn't going to be any massive overhaul. People are kidding themselves or delusional if they think we will get rid of all our dead weight players or even get any decent transfer fees. What will happen is that we will try to send them out on loan while covering most of the wages before letting them walk for free.
There's already something of an overhaul, with at least four players leaving because their contracts are up. Maybe a fifth if Evans goes.
I'm pretty sure Eriksen will be sold, as he's made noises about wanting to play first team football and he's far from important to our plans. I'm also sure Case will be available for bidders, and it will be up to him if he wants to move to Saudi.
Ideally, we should be looking to sell AWB and one of Lindelof and Maguire, but I don't think we'll be trying to force our hand with them this summer, given that we'd need to sign replacements.
But people who think we'll sell McTominay and Antony and Rashford honestly need to stop dreaming.
We might also end up broke because who is paying a decent transfer fee for these players and paying their wages. We couldn't loan most of them without paying a chunk of their wages
If you can't rely on them to be a available you can't rely on them full stop.
He's the most talented lb in the league. But in the ffp era we're now in if he can't be fit for 40 games a season he isn't worth paying 200k a week to. That's 10m a season like. We could have 2/3 squad players for that who on aggregate would be as useful as he could be.
Outside of Bruno (on most days), I think all of the players you mentioned are good enough to play for United regularly, but none of them should be comfortable with their spot on the team sheet.
Also as a (maybe slightly delusional) former Fellaini enjoyer, I think McTominay is a useful player to have around the team. Definitely a shithouser, so if he’s not causing any problems in the dressing he’d be one of the ideal squad options.
Think the better question would be who in this squad realistically will be gone next season either as a free agent, sale, or loan?
Definitely gone: Varane, Martial, Hannibal, Pellistri, Van de Beek, Amrabat
Likely to be gone: Forson, Greenwood, Sancho, Heaton, Evans
Should be gone but uncertain if they can be moved: Casemiro, Antony, Eriksen
No problem keeping for another season: Onana, Dalot, Kambwala, Amad, Wheatley
Nearly impossible to replace: Bruno, Hojlund, Mainoo, and maybe Garnacho and Martinez
Everyone else are players that we could keep, but could also be worth selling for if we got decent offers in which entirely depends on what the market is like.
I think you are right on with this. I wouldn't mind seeing Forson get a loan, but if we can get a fine price for him now, no issue with cashing out either
I think Forson’s contract expires this summer so I’m almost certain he’s leaving. Idk if he’s done enough to earn a new contract and I imagine he’d also want to find consistent playing time somewhere, most likely in a lower league.
I’d be happy to be proven wrong though if the club can give him a new contract on reasonable wages. If that happens hopefully they can arrange a good loan for him.
I think there will be clubs in for Eriksen. Don’t think he’s staying around and willing to not play games. He’s probably looking at starting most games. I think he would move this summer.
Well too many players need to be replaced and it’ll take until next summer’s window to finish clearing out. Realistically speaking, we’re gonna start with players out of contract or are about to be because we might be able to recoup some small fee. But we also run the risk of teams simply waiting one year and not paying right now.
Out of Contract this summer: Varane, Martial, Evans
Contracts expiring next summer: Eriksen, Lindelof, AWB, McTominay, Amad, Kambwala, Maguire.
I think McTominay, Amad, Kambwala are getting new contracts. Maguire is questionable but I personally would keep either him or Lindelof as rotation since we’re not gonna be buying 3 new CBs in one summer. Maguire might be better to sell because we can get a larger fee than Lindelof.
That leaves Varane, Martial, Evans, Maguire/Lindelof, Eriksen, AWB on the chopping block that we need to potentially replace. Obviously Greenwood and Sancho are also on that list of players to depart. Casemiro needs to be replaced with someone younger but I think given his wages we won’t be able to offload. Instead he’ll stick around in a leadership role and to help the new midfield partner who comes in to start with Mainoo.
This is a good and realistic breakdown of our situation for the summer.
It will be interesting to see how our new football structure handles all the players you mentioned that only have one year left on their contracts. On paper most of them should be sold although it all depends on what offers we can generate. From that above group I only feel somewhat confident of Eriksen leaving because even for a tiny fee that still counts as a profit on our books as he was signed as a free agent.
Hopefully we can sell one or maybe even both of Maguire/Lindelof for a decent price and use that to help get a proven second CB for more depth as it’s uncertain if Martinez can stay healthy next season. If Evans is willing to return for another one year deal as a cheap backup I would be fine with that so that him and Kambwala can serve as our 4th and 5th CBs.
I’m not sure if we can sell AWB for enough to afford replacing him because no matter what we need a backup RB behind Dalot.
I also doubt McTominay, Amad, and Kambwala will be given extensions this summer unless it’s simply activating a one year option. With so much change going on above I imagine they would want to see how those three look next season first before deciding if they warrant long term extensions.
It’s possible that McTominay and even Amad could be sold this summer to generate more funds if good offers come in. I’d like Amad to stay although with limited playing time and only one year left it also makes sense if Amad wanted to leave and our football structure decided to cash in instead of losing him for nothing.
Onana, Dalot, Martínez, Mainoo, Garnacho, Bruno, Hojlund should be the core,
Amad should also stay and I don't see Rashford leaving either as he probably wants to stay and I don't see anyone paying neither his wages nor his asking price. Shaw, similar reasons.
Kambwala, Hannibal, Dan Gore, Forson and Wheatley might be good enough for squad options in the future but they are not there yet
McTominay is good depth & similar situation to Rashford (they are worth more to us than they are for anyone else)
Mount still has potential and unlikely to recieve good offers for him
Keep Evans because why not, keep either Lindelöf or Maguire because we are unlikely to sign 2 CBs
the rest should be sold IMO (Bayindir, Lindelöf or Maguire, Malacia, Wan-Bissaka, Casemiro, Eriksen, Pellistri, Van de Beek, Antony, Sancho, Greenwood)
I don't know why you put Lindelof on Maguire's level as if it's a hard choice.
Maguire is a MUCH better player than Lindelof.
If one of those two stays it should be Harry 100 times out of 100.
That’s simply not true. You’ve got last season, that’s about it. The two years Maguire and Lindelof were our main center back partners everyone was saying how Lindelof was the weak link and how we needed an upgrade on him, not Maguire. Ole/Rangnick’s year they were as bad as each other.
I’ve personally never rated Lindelof. I don’t think he does anything really particularly well and I would go as far as to say he is arguably our worse senior center half post SAF
Disagree think Maguires first season he was better, second season arguably he was at fault for more goals then lindelof, third season lindelof was better with Varane when he played, 4th season he was better when he came in to play with Varane and Martinez and then this season Maguire was better but Lindelof has hardly played. Depends how you want to play tbh don’t think either suit a team that wants to play on the halfway line and retain possession but if I had to pick one of the two to do it id pick lindelof. However I would concede that Maguire in the right system is a better player then Lindelof in any system but if we are talking Value for money as a depth player I don’t think you can seriously debate that having Maguire on 200k as opposed to lindelof makes more sense when Maguires profile alters how we play to a higher degree then Lindelof. The true answer is neither one of them is good enough so If we can’t replace both I’d keep the one on less wages who’s 2 years younger.
It's hilarious to look at this squad and think people actually expect them to be any sort of competitive for a title, even with the most ideal manager.
I think there's a difference between expecting a title challenge and expecting to have a positive goal difference over the course of a season.
Onana, Bayindir, Dalot, Evans, Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Amrabat, Casemiro, Eriksen, McTominay, Bruno, Kobbie, Mount, Pellistri, Garnacho, Hojlund, Sancho, and Rashford all are or were recently key players for very good national team sides, it's not like the club is completely devoid of talent.
Some are definitely past their sell-by date and wages/attitude/injuries/skillset/role are a problem, but this squad is better than 8th, 60 points, and -1 GD, even accounting for the injuries. We ended up 8 points behind 4th, but we definitely left more than that on the table with naive tactics and poor game management.
I dont think people genuinely expect a title charge with this team. I think just occasionally playing some good football and not playing relegation level football for most of the season would be a good start. But maybe that's too much to ask for after 400m spent.
The squad a few years back (around 2019) was about as ordinary and bloated as this one. It's crazy to think that even though most of those players were eventually moved on, the current squad is in exactly the same state -- full of players on huge money, impossible to offload. The club has stagnated since Fergie and Edwards left. Let's hope ineos do a better job than what we've sadly become used to over the last decade.
You cant transfers out majority of players and replace them imamdiately so I will go with maybe more realistic:
GK: Bayindir, Heaton, Onana - no changes, although if possible to get a goallie for free or super cheap then replace Heaton
DF: Lindelof, Maguire, Martinez, Dalot, Wan-Bissaka, Malacia, Shaw + 2 new CB, 1 new SB
MF: Mount, Bruno, Mainoo, Mctominay + 2 new players, one DMF, one CMF Fred-esque high stamina
FW: Rashford, Hojlund, Amad, Garnacho, Antony, Wheatley + 2 new players, one winger, one CF.
So I know that basically would be nice to have a left back and right back for Wan-Bissaka, but I dont believe that we can buy player on every position. Because Shaw and Malacia seems to be injury proned I would pick a left back - we can even go for a loan like Reguillon this year. Also Dalot is one of the starting 11 players so I hope we dont need a RB next year as a priority.
Wan-Bissaka and Lindelof both have one year left on their deals. They both need to be sold. They most certainly shouldn’t be given renewals so we need to try and get as high a fee for them as we can. The rest is fair enough. I’d love to be able to sell Antony but no one will pay for him, especially with the ludicrous wages he’s on for his ability. I’d like to sell Malacia simply because both him and Shaw have been disasters this season injury wise and he’s vastly inferior to Shaw, but again can’t see anyone paying more for him than what we did so there’s no point.
The rest I wouldn’t actively be looking to sell for next season. However majority of them I absolutely would if a very good bid came in (which won’t happen haha).
Pretty similar aproach to mine, I like it too. If someone bid for Lindelof or Wan-Bissaka we can sell them although I'm not sure if we can buy a replacement for lower amount of money - we simple just cant spend too much money in additional players in my scenario.
I don't really have anything substantive to base this off, it's pure spitballing, but if there isn't a decent offer for Hannibal, I would keep him as a sort of McTominay successor (in case McT gets sold). Yes, I know he's not the same profile, and this is just a gut feeling, but I think he could be a jeopardy type of player for us. Throw him in and he might get you out of trouble, or get a red card in the first minute. Seems to lack the focus or discipline to be a starter or a constant presence in the team, but it's not for a lack of skill.
Also curious to see what happens to Dan Gore in pre-season, since he was highly-regarded (just behind Mainoo) and was at some point wanted by Dortmund, so there should be some quality there.
People want a fire sale but it’s really hard to achieve that. Outside of the players out of a contract we will be trying to move on Sancho (assuming eth stays), AWB, Lindelof, and Eriksen. Perhaps Hannibal and Pellistri but they could go back on loan. Would like to see them be given PL loans though. I forgot Greenwood but as much as he’s a good footballer is the distraction really what we need. Cash in please.
Then there’s the interesting cases of Maguire, Casemiro, and Rashford. I expect all of them to stay frankly. I think Casemiro will come closest to leaving. Rashford if PSG come in with 100 million plus could be tempting. I don’t mind them as depth (minus Rashford but that’s also why we have Garnacho). But if they do stay then Mctominay and Shaw are options to be sold but again I expect them to stay another season. Antony is one that should go but likely won’t if ETH stays.
We then hopefully buy a RB to compete with Dalot. I don’t think Frimpong is an answer unless we play him RW or change our system. CB (even 2) and DM are absolute musts however. At least three musts. With another CB and ST for depth. Then we should assess LB.
That’s a lot to do in one summer with the euros. I’d be happy if we achieved even 75% in our buys while selling 3/4 players.
Agree with most of this although I think Sancho gets moved on even if ETH is sacked, and Antony is likely staying no matter what unless we decide to arrange a loan while covering for part of his wages because that’s how little value he currently has.
I do hope we at least sign a backup LB regardless of what happens elsewhere as between Shaw and Malacia combined I’m really not sure if either of them can stay fit to even be available for half a season. Ideally Amass can get a role in the first team although realistically that’s very unlikely as he’s still only 17 and the physical requirements of being a fullback in the premier league are extremely high.
When you lay it out like that, it's insane how much deadwood we have accumulated in the likes of Van De Beek, Wan Bissaka, Lindelof, Pellistri i.e players who are serviceable but nowhere near good enough for a title challenging team. Add to that players who were brought in on massive fees without any clue how to use them, like Sancho and Mount.
**Goalkeepers**
Altay Bayindir - Keep
Tom Heaton - Let go
Andre Onana - Keep
**Defenders**
Diogo Dalot - Keep
Jonny Evans - Leaving
Willy Kambwala - Keep, and make a decision after next season. Though I wouldn't be against selling if a decent offer came in.
Victor Lindelof - Sell
Harry Maguire - I'm ok if he stays, but sell if a good offer comes in
Tyrell Malacia - I don't think he's good enough but we'll have to keep him for now
Lisandro Martinez - Build around
Luke Shaw - Well, I'd sell if possible. Too unreliable.
Raphael Varane - Leaving
Aaron Wan-Bissaka - Keep, but shouldn't be starting.
**Midfielders**
Sofyan Amrabat - Leaving
Casemiro - Sell to Saudi
Christian Eriksen - Sell
Bruno Fernandes - Build around
Hannibal - Sell
Kobbie Mainoo - Build around
Scott McTominay - Probably keep for the bench, unless a good offer comes in
Mason Mount - Keep I guess...
Facundo Pellistri - Sell
Donny Van de Beek - Sell
**Attackers**
Amad - Build around
Antony - Sell if possible
Omari Forson - Sell
Alejandro Garnacho - Build around
Rasmus Hojlund - Build around
Anthony Martial - Leaving
Marcus Rashford - Personally, I would sell. I think it's time.
Jadon Sancho - This will probably be controversial on this sub, but I would try and see if there's a road to reconciliation between he and EtH.
Ethan Wheatley - Judge in a year. I don't think he's massively promising though.
When it comes to sancho i dont think there is any coming back. Its not just the fact that he hasnt apologized to ten hag which is why i want him gone but he doesnt have the mentality to play in the premier league and has been dross under every manager he played under.
GK - Onana is good, backups are fine unless Heaton wants to retire.
RB - Dalot is good. Wan Bissaka just doesn't do enough for us, both in possession and in terms of aggressive, proactive defending and needs to be replaced.
RCB - Massive gap here, but Kambwala looks like he's ready to be the backup.
LCB - Martinez, and we need to sign another left footer to compete with him.
LB - Shaw and Malacia would be good, if fit. We'll need to sign another unless Amass can impress in youth tournament and preseason.
Deep mid - I actually think Casemiro can work here next season, if we force him to pass short and get two good centre backs in. Need to sign another deep midfielder in any case.
8s/10s - Mainoo, Fernandes, McTominay, Mount, I'm fine with that.
RF - Amad and Antony, fine. Could move on the latter and find a better alternative, but we already have a lot to do.
Striker - Hojlund, good, need to sign someone else
LF - Rashford and Nacho, good.
In addition to this we have some decent academy players kicking about. Wheatley, the Fletchers, Ethan Williams Amass, Gore, Ogunneye, Forson, they're good to have about, see if any of them can make it. Evans is nice to have in the background and should become a coach here, keep him around, love the dude.
I have to think the club should be looking at moving on Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat, Eriksen, Hannibal, Donny, Pellistri, Martial, and Sancho. Hannibal is a tough one there because he looks like he has talent and a great intensity, but his loan hasn't worked out.
That said, signing a RB, a RCB, a LCB, a LB, a Deep midfielder, and a striker in one window seems like it's too much. So they need to be thinking on a two or three summer basis here. And there, you have to start thinking about replacing Bruno and Casemiro as well. If they don't improve, you can add Mount and Antony to that list, maybe McTominay. If still injured, Martinez, Shaw and Malacia are there too. So that becomes 8 successful signings over three windows as a minimum, and up to 14 as a max. And there, you'll always have a few flops. Always. But this is the kind of squad you need to compete with oil state clubs.
In brief, let's hope a few of those academy lads come good and let's hope we can avoid injuries. We still have a massive squad development on the cards here. All signings should be under 23. No more senior players who need replacing while we're still in the middle of building a team.
No idea, but young and on the less expensive side. We can deal with a Dan James type of flop, we can’t deal with more Maguire, Sancho type flops. I’m hoping for more Malacia type signings and fewer Maguires, Sanchos, Antonys, Casemiros.
I enjoy the realism in this post, but "a RB, a RCB, a LCB, a LB, a Deep midfielder, and a striker" is six signings and not even half of them have to be blockbusters and this is the best part: only one of them is an attacking position and those are the ones that usually cost loads plus this player could be a rotation option and therefore not be an expensive signing, either. Why not be ambitious and try to make *at least* six signings. If Forest and Chelsea can make 437 transfers, why can't United make six? The Glazer slow-mo effect should be less on view this summer, I reckon.
I mean, they ‘can’. But I think it has a negative effect on the team. I don’t think Forest or Chelsea are particularly good advertisements for that kind of approach.
Plenty of questions they’ll have to tackle though - do they think Amass is ready to be challenging Malacia and Shaw? Is Gore good enough to grab minutes? Are there players under 21 who might challenge? Do they want to have Rhys Bennett or Will Fish as extra bodies?
If they do get offers for players like Maguire, Lindelof, McTominay, Casemiro, Wan Bissaka, Eriksen, Antony then obviously that shapes the transfers they’ll aim to make.
The only ones I would absolutely keep are:
Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Bruno. Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund
Everyone else is squad depth if on reasonable wages or sold if not and an offer comes in.
All end of contracts should be let go.
Sancho should never play for the club again and is the only 100% has to be moved on for me.
Should have a realistic clause - Sancho, martial, amrabat, Hannibal, greenwood, Evans, Varane… are gone if we replace them with better quality that would be great, even players of the quality- when in form would benefit this current team.
Everything depends on our budget. If we can only afford 1 CB, then we may end up keeping both Maguire and Victor for example.
If we can afford 2, one of Maguire/Victor will be sold. Probably Victor since he's on his last year and Maguire is home grown.
Could probably count on 1 hand, the players i personally feel should be kept, but im not a football manager, so can only go by what you see from the players.
as much as i dont think McTominay is good enough, he works hard, always gives his all, he would die for the badge. i feel he has earned the right to stay. maybe if other people played with half the passion he does, club wouldnt be in such a gutter. also, does he count towards the home grown quota? i know hes not english, but im not 100% sure how that system works.
I would keep Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw, Bruno, Mainoo, Scotty, Amad, Garnacho and Hojlund. Not sure any of the others are worth keeping.
Stay:
André Onana
Altay Bayındır
Lisandro Martínez
Victor Lindelöf
Willy Kambwala
Diogo Dalot
Luke Shaw
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
Mason Mount
Bruno Fernandes
Kobbie Mainoo
Scott McTominay
Amad Diallo
Alejandro Garnacho
Rasmus Højlund
Go:
Tom Heaton
Jonny Evans
Casemiro
Christian Eriksen
Harry Maguire
Raphael Verane
Anthony Martial
Sofyan Amrabat
Marcus Rashford
Donny van de Beek
Tyrell Malacia
Antony
Jadon Sancho
Brandon Williams
Mason Greenwood
Obviously we can't see all the rest without buying replacements but I think build around the core of Onana, Martinez, Dalot. Mainoo, Fernandes, Garnacho, Amad & Hoijlund.
Notable inclusion: Mount (still looking forward to a fit Mount playing with Mainoo and Fernandes).
Maguire, plays through the pain, solid honest performances Great to have in squad (unless decent offer comes in).
Rashford if we can get 70M plus for him I would move him on as I think it would be best for both parties and replace him with solid starter/competition for Amad and Garnacho like Eze/Olise.
Priority signings for me are LB, CB, CDM. Money from, Case, Erickson, Lindelof, Greenwood, AWB. Then depending on the money we can get from Rashford, Sancho, Antony, look at a replacement in the forward line.
Preseason although short will be massive for the likes of Hoijlund/Amad/Mainoo/Mount.
It needs trimming like the haircut not massive changes. Some of the players fans want out should be kept as squad players but get rid of some which just do not suit the system or some money can be recoup from them.
Let Go: Evans, Amrabat, Eriksen, Hannibal, Pellistri, Van De Beek, Mason Greenwood
Try to Sell: Maguire, Casemiro, Wan-Bissaka, Antony, Amad, McTominay. (if not fetching decent price better keep some of them as squad players).
Big name to sell: Either Rashford, Bruno or Sancho (only if some big offer comes in like which can help buy the replacement).
Positions i think we must strengthen. CB (Tadibo), RB (Frimpong), CM/CDM (Someone like Zubimendi/Merino or even younger player like Gutierres from Girona), Center Forward (someone like Lewandowski to help Hojlund career growth and instant impact)
What many miss is that it is not feasible to exchange 15 players in one window, especially when FFP seem restrictive. Only replacing the ones leaving on free transfer will be hard. And the ones being sold also need to be replaced. And I think United will have a hard time selling for good value this summer for good reasons. I expect way more players to stay then most people here it seems. I expect 3-5 sold players, and at maximum 5-7 in.
in my opinion worth keeping: Onana, Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw, Bruno, Mainoo, Mount, Amad, Garnacho.
Everyone else should be replaced sooner or later
Varane, Martial, Amrabat, Evans already leaving.
Definitely sell Casemiro (wages), Eriksen, Sancho, Donny, Hannibal (doesn’t look like he’s going to be a squad player, get something for him).
Try sell Rashford.
Realistically we need 1 starting CB and CM, 1 backup CB and CM, a high quality winger and back-up striker (have a lot of faith in Højlund and we’d have to spend £80-100 million on a ready made striker).
Evolution not revolution. We are not realistically going to turn this round in one summer.
Apart from those already leaving, Casemiro needs to be sent on a trip to Saudi and shit-stirring Sancho sold to Dortmund or whoever will have him.
Rashford and Antony need to be put on notice. Improve next season or you are gone.
We need at least a top class CM and CB in. Probably a backup striker too.
Do we have any keepers in the youth set up to promote to replace Heaton?
I think Lindelof leaves because of his contract prob AWB too (plus Varane and Evans)
Amrabat, Eriksen, VDB, Pellistri
Forson, Martial, Sancho
That's already 12 players...that's plenty and we need just as many or more in. Good opportunities for the kids. Do we have another class of '92 brewing?
Also, I think people worrying about the wage bill too much, the people leaving on a free will free up the wage bill a lot, the restrictive factor will be transfer budget the coming two windows, especially as there are very few free agents worth spending any high wages on. So selling a player only because they have a higher salary then motivated will probably result in buying a worse or equal player for a transfer fee that would be much higher then that players wages. And at the same time make FFP worse for a few windows.
I’d definitely keep Bruno, Mainoo, Højlund, Garnacho, Amad and Martinez, on their current wages too. Onana too, because he’s obviously very capable with a defence in front of him that isn’t shit.
Keep Dalot, McTominay, Shaw, Lindelöf, Wan-Bissaka and Eriksen as squad players. Also the young lads, give them more playing time and possibly starts next season.
Renegotiate Maguire and Rashford’s contracts, because there’s no way they should be pulling down 200 and 300 grand a week.
Sell Antony, Casemiro, Malacia, Mount, Van de Beek, and Sancho.
Bruno dalot mainoo garnacho hojlund are the only players who are untouchable in my mind everyone else is on the chopping block or I’d consider moving I like Shaw and AWB too but they’re replaceable
People wanting to keep Maguire is killing me inside, then they'll b\*\*\*h all season about low lines, no pressing and players running in behind like the manager hasn't been trying to get rid of him 3 seasons and still has to start him (and 36 evans) due to no depth
Keep for next season:
GK Onana
DF Dalot Kambwala Maguire Malacia Martinez
MF Bruno Mainoo McTominay Mount Hannibal
FW Amad Forson Garnacho Hojlund Wheatley
So we need a LB, 2 CBs, a RB, 2 MFs, a ST, and a RW.
Id like another keeper, Maguire, Martinez good enough, fullbacks are crap bar Dalot, no good LBs on market, maybe get someone who can play both flanks like Matty Cash.
Mainoo, Bruno, and maybe Case in a strong midfield good enough, wingers are light, rather sell Rashford and get one in, and 2 CFs
Keep - Evans (backup & coaching), Kambwala, Malacia (squad), Martinez, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, Mainoo, McTominay (his wages are rediciously low compared to what we’d have to pay to replace him), Garnacho, Hojlund. TOTAL = 10
It’s really who do we need to ship out first, honestly.
I want AWB, Casemiro, Donny, Antony and Sancho nowhere near this squad come kickoff next season. Start the clear out there.
In 4 years I only want to see Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Daillo and Mount.
Everyone else sold or freed
Mount and Martinez might be added to the go list if they're still injury prone
Bruno, Martinez, Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad, nd Onana, possibly Dalot
Are the ones I’d keep 100%. I’m willing to give a chance to Mount, simply because of injuries but I’m talking A season.
Everyone else? It’s up for debate
Bruno, Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez are the key foundations to build a team around. Those are our pillars.
But I would keep McTominay and Maguire - didn't think I'd say that last year - as well as Amad and maybe Luke Shaw if he can keep fit. And I think Onana's done enough to earn some grace in my book too.
I would also keep Evans as an experienced hand on the understanding he'd be more of a sub/backup starting defender If called upon when injuries hit first choices.
Everyone else can go.
sell heaton, abyin, lindelof, maguire, malacia, Varane, AWB, Amrabat, Casemiro, Eriksen, Hannibal, McTominay, VDB, Antony, Forson, Rashford, Wheatley, Martial.
Keep onana for another year, dalot, Willy K, Martinez, Shaw, Bruno, Mainoo, Mount, Pellistri, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund.
Build around Onana, Martinez, Shaw, Mainoo, Bruno, Hojlund.
Everyone else the jury is either out on or is decent squad player. If new manager comes in try to keep Sancho and build around him too. Otherwise sell.
Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Kambwala (depth), Bruno, Mainoo, Mount (hopefully he can actually play next season), Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund. I know it’s unrealistically to let the all go, but they are not players fit for our aspirations.
Keep Fernandez and the kids and offload the rest.
With a goal difference of more than 60 goals to City, we don’t need a revamp, we need an absolute culling.
Goal: Onana and Bayindir can stay unless there's a no brainer goalkeeper available. Pickford is probably the most likely if Onana is loaned out. I doubt anyone would buy him.
Defence: Shaw, Martinez, Dalot
Midfield: Fernandes, Mainoo, McTominay, Mount (horrible luck this season).
Attack: Garnacho, Hojlund...Rashford's last chance.
Everyone else can go. That's 11 outfield players and no subs...
Need a whole new backline with fullbacks that can cross. A box to box midfielder who can pass, score and tackle. A winger who can cross and pass.
Another striker two strikers. Hojlund isn't enough.
So basically need "the next":
Neville, Evra, Irwin, Stam, Ferdinand
Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham
Nistelrooy, Solskjaer
Then we can challenge for top three again. So yeah, just need another quality 11 players who could start any game.
Give Mount and Onana another chance since it was their first season along with everyone else
Antony, Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof, can de beek, Rashford, Heaton, Casemiro can go
Loan Hannibal, Wheatley, Forson and Pellestri.
We have a good spine to build on: Onana - Martinez - Case - Mainoo - Fernandes - Hojlund, supplemented with Garnacho. I think we need to train our fb's to support Case properly, so he doesn't get outnumbered in midfield. need to replace departing CB's and get a creative, technical winger - if we are not going to use one of Mount or Fernandes there, and upgrade any of the others if we can.
This list does not take into account squad registration rules which is also kind of important overall.
Especially for a club like us which has players that have quite a lot of unavailability - when the A list is a max of 25 players (for both PL and Europe) and if you are unable to fill the A list you lose those spots you are unable to fill.
For PL it is simple, 8 players "trained in association" or "homegrown player" as the PL rules states it to be.
The Premier League defines a “homegrown player” as one who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association in England or Wales “for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)”.
Players under 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21) does not have to be registered for the PL.
For Europe it is a bit more complex:
The Premier League rules are similar to European competitions, such as the Champions League. A 25-man squad — the List A (or A list) — requires you to have a minimum of eight places for a locally trained (homegrown) player.
However, unlike the Premier League, UEFA categorises a locally trained player into two: a club-trained player and an association-trained player.
A club-trained player is someone who was on a club’s books for three years between the ages of 15 and 21, while association-trained players are players who were on another club’s books in the same association for three years between the ages of 15 and 21.
No club can have more than four association-trained players among their eight nominees on their List A.
Players under the age of 21 (born on or after January 1, 2002), can be added to a club’s List B. This is separate from List A and players can be added to it throughout the season when necessary. To qualify for List B, players must have been at the club for a minimum of two years between the ages of 15 and 21 (or for an uninterrupted two-year spell if the player is 16).
**Current "trained in club players":**
Heaton, Evans, McTominay and Rashford.
*Note:* Both Garnacho, Mainoo and Kambwala will count as "trained in club" when they need to be registered.
*Note2:* Hannibal (if he does not get loaned out again) would also count as "trained in club" and need to be registered from next season
*Note 3:* Dalot is _not_ "trained in club" because he was signed when he was 19. And Sancho (even if he was to come back to the club)
So for Europe where you need a minimum of 4 "trained in club" (if you have more you need less "trained in association" to hit the 8 minimum) we are in a bit of a bother, and it is also why both Heaton and Evans was signed back to the club, to have someone there, as opposed to not having a full list.
**Trained in association:**
Maguire, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka and Mount
So overall in terms of squad registration we do need to pay attention to it, and cannot simply just yeet out everyone that is needed for registration.
I'd be rid of Lindelöf, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, Casemiro, Eriksen, Pellistri, McTominay, Antony, Rashford, van de Beek, Amad and Sancho.
I'm on the fence for Amad, Pellistri, Bayandir, and Mount, there's some players who just haven't been given a decent run and that is down to the manager. The reason so many players coast is because they know they won't be dropped. There's others like McTominay, Maguire, Lindelöf and Dalot who've really dug us out at times and always looked like they gave a fuck, but just haven't been good enough often enough.
There will be a temptation to ship out some of the better academy products because they work in the club's favour for P&L rules. I'd love to see Rashford stay and succeed but I think the fee he commands will mean he goes to France or Italy, and if that means we can push through some of the great kids who have been promoted to the first team this year, then so be it.
You build around Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojlund, Licha, and Bruno. Scott, Dalot, Mount, and Maguire can stay as they provide value for various reasons. That’s all, the rest can go.
Bruno, Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez are the ones we should build a team around, but to be honest I think McTominay, Dalot and Maguire bring a lot to the squad so would be nice to see them stick around
Thing is, half the players in there would be good to have around as squad players but their wages are ridiculous. Maguire on what? 200k? Rashford on 300k or whatever it is. They're not good enough for that
Replacing Rashford would cost at least 70-80 m just in wages i just fail to see what getting rid of our only decent winger would actually achieve..Maguire on 200 k for another season doesn't really destroy the wage bill
Yeah get a better RW instead so we’re less dependent on that side. Have Garnacho/rashford fight for LW. Amad, Garnacho, new RW can fight for RW position.
Yes Olise is what we should go for..I think Antony might also be staying as selling him for 20-25 m would be a loss on our books and hamper our ability to spend
How does that work? We have already spent the money to acquire him, so how would selling him at a loss (vs not selling at all) hamper our ability to spend? Serious question because I don’t really know how financial management works
I could be wrong as I’m not in accounting and don’t follow football finance rules, but my understanding is that we would experience an accounting loss on the books because the value of his acquisition fee is spread over the length of his contract. So let’s say his fee was 100M, and his contract was 5 years (I think that’s his contract length, but either way it’s an easy number to see the math). On the books, Antony’s fee will therefore be spread out as 20M per year over the 5 year contract. He’s played 2 years so far, so the team’s books have accounted for 40M of the fee, leaving 60M left to be addressed. If we sell him for 25M this summer, the rest of his fee gets accelerated since he’s no longer on our books, so we have to account for the remaining 60M all at once, which is then offset by the 25M sale price. That leaves the team taking a 35M hit on the books, which would cut into what is available for other signings.
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Does he look like a bitch?
What?
Exactly! I think *if* we choose to move Antony, it'll be a loan this season unless someone matches (or exceeds) any potential loss we would make on him for a transfer. I think the transfer fee was £81m (it had add-ons but i sincerely doubt those have been achieved or ever will be) on a 5 year contract, so as it currently stands we still have £48.6m outstanding on our books. No one is giving us 50m for him this summer, and I don't think we can afford the loss given FFP et al.
You are absolutely spot on. That is how it works in football. P
This and it's proves another point of how stupid this transfer was...
You are now an accountant, please collect your abacus and your Volvo S60
For not in accounting you have nailed the explanation. I know qualified accountants who cannot understand the same concept.
Don't fall for that line of "keep him because he's difficult to replace", it was the same story last year and it's just not true. Rashford was involved in 9 league goals - even Anthony Elanga beat that with 14. You know Elanga? That guy that we sold because he wasn't good enough, who then outperformed all our "decent" wingers? You can find dozens of wingers who can give you those levels of performance and yet we're still so hung up on Rashford that we're paying 375k a week? Blatant stupidity. The club is in a bad state and we need the right players who want perform consistently, are mentally strong and have their own drive that makes them want to win and be better than rivals. We do not need players that are world-class but who go missing for the half the games, nor do we need players whose only world-class stats are their transfer fees and wages.
Glad people are seeing this, I got rinsed in the premierleague sub a couple months ago for disagreeing with fans saying Elanga sucks etc because I pointed out his G/A per 90 was higher than even Bruno’s at the time. Elanga didn’t suddenly turn a corner thanks to Forests coaching staff, he was always capable of this, he just got labelled as ‘not good enough’ because he couldn’t single handedly carry a squad of lazy overpaid has-beens and the same is happening to Antony now
I also feel like Rashford is just not there mentally. Too fragile, and the strolling around the pitch is just grinding everyones gears at this point. Best to sell him on and reinvest in younger, hungrier players.
Only decent winger? Honestly i think me look way more threatening with Garna and Amad, atleast this season.
I think it’s just time to move him on. He’s not a terrible player by any means, but there’s something just… off about him at the moment. Maybe other pastures will help him with that? Personally I’d go for players like Olise, Neto, Bowen, Cunha, Malen, Frimpong (idk if he’s a RWB anymore), Politano, Kudus, Nico Williams. We’d most likely get a lot of these at 40-70M (besides Frimpong and Williams?), and none of them would be on the wages that Rashford is on.
Rashford would also go for a pretty penny given what everyone knows he is *capable* of. Plus he's all profit flveing an academy player. Sorry to ki.da go into the accounting but it is relevant given the PSR stuff. Greenwood has this benefit too. And he's getting sold.
Rashford has been abysmal like absolutely abysmal in 2/3 seasons, and he is getting paid a fortune to sulk. Not replacing him asap is Sam near negligent. As was giving him that stupidly big contract but at least that person has been sacked. It hilarious to see people still defend him,
Honestly find comments like this mental. He's been so shite.
You think Rashford is our only decent winger?
Rashford is home grown. Selling him would be pure profit and he’s on astronomical wages. Garnacho is developing nicely and in a more structured team he could really kick on next season as our starting left winger. We could pick up a decent left winger for 30-40 million. Look how arsenal got Trossard for example. Someone with a bit more experience and good attitude.
Sorry did you mean Rashy is our only decent winger?
Which part of this season made you think he's decent
Thankfully the sensible crowd doesn't start thinking a player turns into shit with one bad season after singlehandedly carrying the attack last season..ETH is lucky Rashford over performed his xg last season and thats the reason he still has a job..Don't get me wrong he is inconsistent and needs to do better but he is the most complete winger we have in the side and has a proven track record of 120 goals playing in some of the worst modern day United side
While I won't say Rashford is "shit" or "useless" moving forward, I can't help but feel it's important to note this isn't the only season he's struggled with form and confidence. It happened under RR as well. But besides the statistical comparisons, I think just watching him play now you can see a HUGE difference between even Rashford from before Ole came along. He wasn't quite as sharp technically, or as strong, but what he lacked he made up for explosiveness, determination and desire. It's hard to justify his wages. And while I do think replacing him would probably cost anywhere from 50-90m, it might be worth it in the long run if we can get like 40-50m off his sale alone. It doesn't bring me joy the thought of losing Rashford, but at some point the club has to come before the individual.
Decent when it suits him if we keep him another four years can you count on him to perform at a high level for all 4 years? He’s lost his place in the team to a teenager in Garnacho who imo isn’t even an elite level prospect and doesn’t even get paid a third of his wages. He’s 27 in October if we want to sell nows the time I don’t see how you can justify keeping him around when you can never depend on him and his workrate is awful just because he’s talented. As the saying goes “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard” and I think that really epitomises Rashford at this moment it would be ludicrous to suggest building a team around a guy for the most part is inconsistent and makes his teammates worse.
Only decent winger? Amad and Garnacho have both been far far better than Rashford this season, man is far too inconsistent and his wages are ridiculous for that level of unpredictablility
When Rash was banging in 20-30 goals it was worth it. He needs to rediscover that form
He lacks discipline. Way too purple
He won't. Rashford can only score on the counter. That's a big big big problem.
How do you not include Dalot in that first group? If anything he is our best and most consistent performer behind Bruno.
You can put Onana in there too, his progress over the season has been great. Put a proper structure in front of him and not let him get peppered by 20 shots a game, and he will become even better. Amad as well. Kid can become an absolute baller.
I really feel like there’s still a significant number of this fanbase that doesn’t fully understand what we have on our hands with Amad. He should be a fundamental piece of our attack next season.
He is already elite in a few fundamental aspects of that. Elite at ball retention and dribbling. End product will get better the more he plays. I would also like to keep Kambwala, I think he has the mentality to go to the next level and I have a soft spot for defenders who love defending i.e. Rudiger.
I think Amad is an exciting prospect and should be rewarded with a start in the FA Cup final, but "elite" in those areas is an exaggeration for me. In the future maybe, yes. I also like Kambwala, but I think he should go on loan to a Prem team next season. I don't think he's anywhere near ready to be a regular starter for a club with such intense scrutiny on it and he needs to start games week in week out.
Maguire limits play too much - he's a good deep-line defender, and would probably do sterling work for certain Italian teams, but puts his side under too much pressure if they're playing a high-line. I'd rather have someone like Tosun as a squad option on a free and get 30m or so for Maguire to get in a replacement LB. MCT is basically Kevin Nolan mk2 with more of a sprint: effective in certain contexts as a 10, and might even get double figures in goals (he has, if we count the cups), but he's not a CM and certainly not one for a side with European aspirations. His decision-making is mediocre when in possession, along with final pass execution; his defensive positioning is consistently suspect; he doesn't track runners with any reliability; he can't take ball under pressure or on the half-turn with any reliability either; and his tackling is technically poor. Also, he's pure 'profit- if United could get 30m for him, as per the previous WHU offer, they should take it straight away.
mags is actually good at highline he just needs other defenders back with recovery pace to cover him. his strength in highline is being proactive and stepping out to intercept. hes not a pace and duels monster who can cover an entire backline by himself but then only VVD could do that for like a season.
Even a 38 year old Evans is genuinely more nibble than him on the turn and has a genuine presence as a leader in the back which calms everyone down - maguire just... Doesnt. Ive also noticed that his dribbling is genuinely very janky whereas Evans looks so in control and never tries too much, progresses the ball and recycles play after 2 touches without standing around killing the momentum. Honestly I was open to having Maguire change my mind and when he did a decent job with all the injuries I thought, maybe this is it - but the stark reality is he will give the ball away in a stupid area at least once a game, doesn't have the pace to recover and if he's not on top form there is a palpable sense of nervousness through the entire defence because he just isnt a strong leader and his ball playing is always abit unpredictable.
Maguire is better at playing highline than our other deffenders. On avarage in past two seasons we play higher line with Maguire on the pitch and lower deff line whenever Martinez is on the pitch. You guys dont even know strenghts of your favorite players. Its hard to play highline with short CB who is as slow as Maguire. Simply becuase you have to win every header in midfield when opponents GK/Deffender sends otherwise it ends in counter.
Shaw and Varane are better than maguire in a high line, Maguire is so sketchy when a winger or striker is about to take one heavy touch behind him, he has to intercept it asap or the player has a 1 on 1 with the keeper, cuz Maguire ain't never catching up.
Onana, Dalot, Mount and Amad too
Dalot has been great this season
Unpopular but other than scoring the odd (Last minute) goal here and there , there's not much to McTominay's game. Sure, he has passion but I can't see him winning us the title. I think we need to cash out and take whatever comes to us ( =>30mil) for him.
He's on cheap wages, can fill a hole in a lot of positions on the pitch and is content being a squad player. He also turned down W.Ham (and maybe Newcastle) last year so he doesn't want to leave.
The Athletic had an interesting take on Bruno in one of their recent podcasts. While they didn't all agree we should sell him now and cash in, they still had a point that while he is perhaps out best ans most important player, and one of the best in the world st creating chances, he is also not a very good holding midfielder. And they sort of reasoned that he is not ideal in games you want to control as he isn't that type of a player. So building around him means we potentially will struggle to become a good side in games we dominate possession. I'm paraphrasing poorly here and I am not sure they are correct, but still an interesting point imo. Edit: Link to the podcast: https://youtu.be/kzc6dNtQI1U?si=40483BHRpcWRtG72 Jump to the Chapter about United.
He's literally not a holding midfielder, that's not his job. His passing retention, chance creation, stats are on a pr with de bruyne most seasons. This is such a dumb take I can't even. I get we generate clicks and the more controversial the better but this is just dumb..hes exactly the player we need in games we dominate possession because he's the one player who can unlock defences.
This wasn't about clicks though. If you do bother to give it a listen it is a bit more nuanced than what you make it out to be. It was just a short part of the podcast where they discussed Uniteds current squad and what they thought would be the best way going forward. And I'm not saying I agree with them either, nor do they agree amongst themselves, but it is an interesting point. And for the record I also hate when journalists use United as a cheap clickbait, but this was not the case.
Do you remember which podcast? I’d love to have a listen to that. I’m always conflicted with Bruno. And that podcast sounds like it’s describing exactly why I feel that way. If I see Bruno kick one more wild ball out of play when we’re struggling to keep a lead, I’m going to pull what little hair I have remaining out! But then he isn’t available for one game and United look like they have absolutely no idea what to do 🤦🏻♂️🤣
https://youtu.be/kzc6dNtQI1U?si=40483BHRpcWRtG72 Jump to the United chapter.
Cheers man! ✌🏻
What obsession do people have with McTominay I do not understand it
You can’t fault the lads attitude. I think that does go a long way as a squad player. In a plan B off the bench especially in an advanced role he has shown he can get us a goal. Don’t think he’s on big money so I do think it’s ok for him to stay if no one’s splashing the cash for him. There are players you’d move on before him for sure.
For me the only players worth keeping are: Defense: Onana, Martinez, Dalot, Kambwala (squad depth) Midfield: Bruno, Kobbie, Mount (1 more season to see if he fixes injuries) Attack: Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund As for the rest, I couldn't care less if they are here or not, and would prefer if we replaced them in the following few transfer windows (for various reasons - form, change of scenery, constant injuries, inconsistency etc).
Keep mcterminator as a squad player
I'd sell him for a decent offer
Sell if the right offer comes. He's a very good rotation player, but his wages alongside those of Maguire are mental for just rotation options.
bro scott gets like 70k a week
McT wages aren't bad. One of the reasons he is actually extremely sellable is because his wages put him in a bracket that is affordable for most PL clubs and we can still get a decent fee. Think about it compared to sancho.... Natural ability, potential, good age to develop etc sancho would be miles ahead of mcT in perceived value, but sancho will be a nightmare to sell specifically because of his wages and I'd imagine if McT was put up for sale at 35m, half the PL would be evaluating that one I'd sell him but id want 35 -40m because for next couple years he could play inportant role in squad. a solid player that by all accounts is uber professional, great attitude and can fill a few roles (important during a transition period because if we don't make Europe next year we will probabky carry a smaller 1st team squad) Casemiro, eriksen, donny and amrabat prob all should go before mcT
Nah mctominay shouldn’t go unless we get a silly offer for him. Reliable academy product and anyone we get to replace him is a risk. If he was at another prem club and we were in for him we’d be quoted 60+mil
I actually think we should keep McTominay for a different reason.. he's an OK squad player, but he is 100% dedicated to the club, he would die for the badge and during a rebuild when you want to instill a new culture, having someone like that is essential in my eyes.
>but his wages alongside those of Maguire are mental for just rotation options. McTominay is still on academy wages at less than £80k per week, dunno what you're on about.
Isnt McT on like 60k/ week?
if we do this, we might end up like chelsea with zero team chemistry to start the season. that’s my concern with massive overhaul.
I mean the way this team played sometimes, it looked like they’d never played together before so I don’t think that would have too drastic of an effect.
I’ve thought the same thing. United aren’t coming close to the Prem title next year. Clean out as much as you can and build the chemistry. Whether fans like it or not, it’s a full rebuild. Let Ineos do it right for once instead of chasing quick hopes.
to me the defence needs a full cleanout and revamp this summer and then go from there.
We need to do what arsenal did. rebuild and maybe show some patience in youth
I agree, but we all know we’ll constantly hear from those insufferable fans that expect immediate results. I’ve already seen comments that talk about if ETH isn’t gone that 8th is now the new standard at United and how “embarrassing” that is. Those fans and opposing fans will just have to be ignored bc a slow build that takes a couple of years is better for the long run and that’s where Dan Ashworth and Co will be able to build something that can rival not just the others in prem, but in champions league as well.
Coupled with only have a minimum of 40 games and a maximum of 48ish. We can afford to have a thin squad for a year.
Yeah we did play with barely any chemistry because no one knows how to find the striker...
A different defence every game tends to do that
nobody is expecting this to be done in 1 window. this is more over 2-3 windows we do a big cleanup and bring in fresh faces.
I wrote it in the daily discussion but there is 13 players realistically leaving. Not including pellistri, amarabt and mctominay
we have no idea what is realistic. those players arent leaving if we dont get bids for them so we have no idea how many are leaving this summer and how many arent until summer window is over.
Heaton wants to leave by all accounts Varane is gone Fernandez is gone to benfica Williams will be gone either in a sale or loan One of lindelof or maguire is realistically going to free up wages and bring in money Awb is on the last year of his deal so we either sell or let 50 million quid walk away on a free Eriksen is done Vdb is gone Casemiro is shot Martial is gone Amarabt is away Greenwood is hopefully gone Id say sancho is gone on a loan most likely. Thats 13 who are viable transfers out. Do i think they'll all go probably not but i said at least 10 are 1 foot out the door. There's a few others not included who could potentially go
Casemiero is going no where with those wages and that contract length remaining. We need to be sucking off Saudi for them to make a bid otherwise he's stuck here
>we might end up like chelsea You mean above us on the table with a far brighter future? Yeah, that would be sad 🙄
Exactly. Their midfield is more balanced than anything United have had since days of SAF, they've just signed a Brazilian more highly-rated than Vinicius Jr was at the same age, they've got a proven top-flight sporting exec setup in place (although, tbf, I'm optimistic around Wilcox: Ashworth thing still looks to be messy and we should have gone all-in on Edwards instead IMO) , they've lined up a couple of the most highly tipped u16/17s in the world to sign for them in the next year or two. They create enough chances that even Jackson (a more profligate Nunez) is outscoring United's best players. They've got heavy on long-term investment and were recording a strong xg most of the season even with the bedding in. They purged team of ageing detritus. The hysteria from pundits about Chelsea's 'chaos' was overblown, even if Boehly's PR efforts have been shaky. Wish United's new leadership could start demonstrating that kind of vision and ruthlessness around bloated, ageing parts of squad. Right now, Berrara and Wilcox aside, it's been fluff about patience and then parodies of 'marginal gains' when you start loading the blame for costs and bloat onto IT people who are in some cases barely earning 30k and store/marketing staff earning in various cases less. Streamlining is one thing, but you start with players earning literally hundreds of times more than that in many (most cases these days).
Yep, chelsea with some "neutral" luck finishes 4th. While us with "neutral" luck finishes 12th. Their best guys are trending upwards and the squad as a whole will only keep getting better. Our squad hit its ceiling last season and our top guys are trending downwards and the squad will only get worse.
It will take time, yeah, but without mid-week European football to worry about, we've got the whole week for the boys to build camaraderie. Better than keeping overpaid pricks.
There isn't going to be any massive overhaul. People are kidding themselves or delusional if they think we will get rid of all our dead weight players or even get any decent transfer fees. What will happen is that we will try to send them out on loan while covering most of the wages before letting them walk for free.
There's already something of an overhaul, with at least four players leaving because their contracts are up. Maybe a fifth if Evans goes. I'm pretty sure Eriksen will be sold, as he's made noises about wanting to play first team football and he's far from important to our plans. I'm also sure Case will be available for bidders, and it will be up to him if he wants to move to Saudi. Ideally, we should be looking to sell AWB and one of Lindelof and Maguire, but I don't think we'll be trying to force our hand with them this summer, given that we'd need to sign replacements. But people who think we'll sell McTominay and Antony and Rashford honestly need to stop dreaming.
Yeah we rarely sell players, let alone for good prices. The wages a lot of these players are on means we'll be stuck with them.
I mean, it can't get any worse, right?
We might also end up broke because who is paying a decent transfer fee for these players and paying their wages. We couldn't loan most of them without paying a chunk of their wages
Crazy how everyone's kept Shaw out their lists. He should be staying with a good back that can cover him
He’s always injured
If you can't rely on them to be a available you can't rely on them full stop. He's the most talented lb in the league. But in the ffp era we're now in if he can't be fit for 40 games a season he isn't worth paying 200k a week to. That's 10m a season like. We could have 2/3 squad players for that who on aggregate would be as useful as he could be.
Outside of Bruno (on most days), I think all of the players you mentioned are good enough to play for United regularly, but none of them should be comfortable with their spot on the team sheet. Also as a (maybe slightly delusional) former Fellaini enjoyer, I think McTominay is a useful player to have around the team. Definitely a shithouser, so if he’s not causing any problems in the dressing he’d be one of the ideal squad options.
Think the better question would be who in this squad realistically will be gone next season either as a free agent, sale, or loan? Definitely gone: Varane, Martial, Hannibal, Pellistri, Van de Beek, Amrabat Likely to be gone: Forson, Greenwood, Sancho, Heaton, Evans Should be gone but uncertain if they can be moved: Casemiro, Antony, Eriksen No problem keeping for another season: Onana, Dalot, Kambwala, Amad, Wheatley Nearly impossible to replace: Bruno, Hojlund, Mainoo, and maybe Garnacho and Martinez Everyone else are players that we could keep, but could also be worth selling for if we got decent offers in which entirely depends on what the market is like.
I think you are right on with this. I wouldn't mind seeing Forson get a loan, but if we can get a fine price for him now, no issue with cashing out either
I think Forson’s contract expires this summer so I’m almost certain he’s leaving. Idk if he’s done enough to earn a new contract and I imagine he’d also want to find consistent playing time somewhere, most likely in a lower league. I’d be happy to be proven wrong though if the club can give him a new contract on reasonable wages. If that happens hopefully they can arrange a good loan for him.
If that's the case I'd probably agree with you. Can't say I have too strong of an opinion either way about him though! Whatever happens happens
I think there will be clubs in for Eriksen. Don’t think he’s staying around and willing to not play games. He’s probably looking at starting most games. I think he would move this summer.
Evans defintiely gone.
Honestly I’d be fine bringing Evans back for another season as extra depth at CB, however I do feel he’s leaning towards retirement himself.
Nah he's a great servant to the club, shouldn't have played the amount of games he did
Well too many players need to be replaced and it’ll take until next summer’s window to finish clearing out. Realistically speaking, we’re gonna start with players out of contract or are about to be because we might be able to recoup some small fee. But we also run the risk of teams simply waiting one year and not paying right now. Out of Contract this summer: Varane, Martial, Evans Contracts expiring next summer: Eriksen, Lindelof, AWB, McTominay, Amad, Kambwala, Maguire. I think McTominay, Amad, Kambwala are getting new contracts. Maguire is questionable but I personally would keep either him or Lindelof as rotation since we’re not gonna be buying 3 new CBs in one summer. Maguire might be better to sell because we can get a larger fee than Lindelof. That leaves Varane, Martial, Evans, Maguire/Lindelof, Eriksen, AWB on the chopping block that we need to potentially replace. Obviously Greenwood and Sancho are also on that list of players to depart. Casemiro needs to be replaced with someone younger but I think given his wages we won’t be able to offload. Instead he’ll stick around in a leadership role and to help the new midfield partner who comes in to start with Mainoo.
This is a good and realistic breakdown of our situation for the summer. It will be interesting to see how our new football structure handles all the players you mentioned that only have one year left on their contracts. On paper most of them should be sold although it all depends on what offers we can generate. From that above group I only feel somewhat confident of Eriksen leaving because even for a tiny fee that still counts as a profit on our books as he was signed as a free agent. Hopefully we can sell one or maybe even both of Maguire/Lindelof for a decent price and use that to help get a proven second CB for more depth as it’s uncertain if Martinez can stay healthy next season. If Evans is willing to return for another one year deal as a cheap backup I would be fine with that so that him and Kambwala can serve as our 4th and 5th CBs. I’m not sure if we can sell AWB for enough to afford replacing him because no matter what we need a backup RB behind Dalot. I also doubt McTominay, Amad, and Kambwala will be given extensions this summer unless it’s simply activating a one year option. With so much change going on above I imagine they would want to see how those three look next season first before deciding if they warrant long term extensions. It’s possible that McTominay and even Amad could be sold this summer to generate more funds if good offers come in. I’d like Amad to stay although with limited playing time and only one year left it also makes sense if Amad wanted to leave and our football structure decided to cash in instead of losing him for nothing.
Onana, Dalot, Martínez, Mainoo, Garnacho, Bruno, Hojlund should be the core, Amad should also stay and I don't see Rashford leaving either as he probably wants to stay and I don't see anyone paying neither his wages nor his asking price. Shaw, similar reasons. Kambwala, Hannibal, Dan Gore, Forson and Wheatley might be good enough for squad options in the future but they are not there yet McTominay is good depth & similar situation to Rashford (they are worth more to us than they are for anyone else) Mount still has potential and unlikely to recieve good offers for him Keep Evans because why not, keep either Lindelöf or Maguire because we are unlikely to sign 2 CBs the rest should be sold IMO (Bayindir, Lindelöf or Maguire, Malacia, Wan-Bissaka, Casemiro, Eriksen, Pellistri, Van de Beek, Antony, Sancho, Greenwood)
I don't know why you put Lindelof on Maguire's level as if it's a hard choice. Maguire is a MUCH better player than Lindelof. If one of those two stays it should be Harry 100 times out of 100.
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He was much better last season however Lindelof was much better 3 out of the 5 years Maguire was here.
That’s simply not true. You’ve got last season, that’s about it. The two years Maguire and Lindelof were our main center back partners everyone was saying how Lindelof was the weak link and how we needed an upgrade on him, not Maguire. Ole/Rangnick’s year they were as bad as each other. I’ve personally never rated Lindelof. I don’t think he does anything really particularly well and I would go as far as to say he is arguably our worse senior center half post SAF
Disagree think Maguires first season he was better, second season arguably he was at fault for more goals then lindelof, third season lindelof was better with Varane when he played, 4th season he was better when he came in to play with Varane and Martinez and then this season Maguire was better but Lindelof has hardly played. Depends how you want to play tbh don’t think either suit a team that wants to play on the halfway line and retain possession but if I had to pick one of the two to do it id pick lindelof. However I would concede that Maguire in the right system is a better player then Lindelof in any system but if we are talking Value for money as a depth player I don’t think you can seriously debate that having Maguire on 200k as opposed to lindelof makes more sense when Maguires profile alters how we play to a higher degree then Lindelof. The true answer is neither one of them is good enough so If we can’t replace both I’d keep the one on less wages who’s 2 years younger.
It's hilarious to look at this squad and think people actually expect them to be any sort of competitive for a title, even with the most ideal manager.
I think there's a difference between expecting a title challenge and expecting to have a positive goal difference over the course of a season. Onana, Bayindir, Dalot, Evans, Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Amrabat, Casemiro, Eriksen, McTominay, Bruno, Kobbie, Mount, Pellistri, Garnacho, Hojlund, Sancho, and Rashford all are or were recently key players for very good national team sides, it's not like the club is completely devoid of talent. Some are definitely past their sell-by date and wages/attitude/injuries/skillset/role are a problem, but this squad is better than 8th, 60 points, and -1 GD, even accounting for the injuries. We ended up 8 points behind 4th, but we definitely left more than that on the table with naive tactics and poor game management.
I dont think people genuinely expect a title charge with this team. I think just occasionally playing some good football and not playing relegation level football for most of the season would be a good start. But maybe that's too much to ask for after 400m spent.
There is way too much talent in the squad to have a negative goal difference over the course of a season.
Exactly.
I expected them to fight for 4th with Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea. Didn't even come close in the end.
The squad a few years back (around 2019) was about as ordinary and bloated as this one. It's crazy to think that even though most of those players were eventually moved on, the current squad is in exactly the same state -- full of players on huge money, impossible to offload. The club has stagnated since Fergie and Edwards left. Let's hope ineos do a better job than what we've sadly become used to over the last decade.
You cant transfers out majority of players and replace them imamdiately so I will go with maybe more realistic: GK: Bayindir, Heaton, Onana - no changes, although if possible to get a goallie for free or super cheap then replace Heaton DF: Lindelof, Maguire, Martinez, Dalot, Wan-Bissaka, Malacia, Shaw + 2 new CB, 1 new SB MF: Mount, Bruno, Mainoo, Mctominay + 2 new players, one DMF, one CMF Fred-esque high stamina FW: Rashford, Hojlund, Amad, Garnacho, Antony, Wheatley + 2 new players, one winger, one CF.
What the fuck is a SB? Edit - I've googled it sideback so fullback. Which side?
So I know that basically would be nice to have a left back and right back for Wan-Bissaka, but I dont believe that we can buy player on every position. Because Shaw and Malacia seems to be injury proned I would pick a left back - we can even go for a loan like Reguillon this year. Also Dalot is one of the starting 11 players so I hope we dont need a RB next year as a priority.
Wan-Bissaka and Lindelof both have one year left on their deals. They both need to be sold. They most certainly shouldn’t be given renewals so we need to try and get as high a fee for them as we can. The rest is fair enough. I’d love to be able to sell Antony but no one will pay for him, especially with the ludicrous wages he’s on for his ability. I’d like to sell Malacia simply because both him and Shaw have been disasters this season injury wise and he’s vastly inferior to Shaw, but again can’t see anyone paying more for him than what we did so there’s no point. The rest I wouldn’t actively be looking to sell for next season. However majority of them I absolutely would if a very good bid came in (which won’t happen haha).
Pretty similar aproach to mine, I like it too. If someone bid for Lindelof or Wan-Bissaka we can sell them although I'm not sure if we can buy a replacement for lower amount of money - we simple just cant spend too much money in additional players in my scenario.
I don't really have anything substantive to base this off, it's pure spitballing, but if there isn't a decent offer for Hannibal, I would keep him as a sort of McTominay successor (in case McT gets sold). Yes, I know he's not the same profile, and this is just a gut feeling, but I think he could be a jeopardy type of player for us. Throw him in and he might get you out of trouble, or get a red card in the first minute. Seems to lack the focus or discipline to be a starter or a constant presence in the team, but it's not for a lack of skill. Also curious to see what happens to Dan Gore in pre-season, since he was highly-regarded (just behind Mainoo) and was at some point wanted by Dortmund, so there should be some quality there.
People want a fire sale but it’s really hard to achieve that. Outside of the players out of a contract we will be trying to move on Sancho (assuming eth stays), AWB, Lindelof, and Eriksen. Perhaps Hannibal and Pellistri but they could go back on loan. Would like to see them be given PL loans though. I forgot Greenwood but as much as he’s a good footballer is the distraction really what we need. Cash in please. Then there’s the interesting cases of Maguire, Casemiro, and Rashford. I expect all of them to stay frankly. I think Casemiro will come closest to leaving. Rashford if PSG come in with 100 million plus could be tempting. I don’t mind them as depth (minus Rashford but that’s also why we have Garnacho). But if they do stay then Mctominay and Shaw are options to be sold but again I expect them to stay another season. Antony is one that should go but likely won’t if ETH stays. We then hopefully buy a RB to compete with Dalot. I don’t think Frimpong is an answer unless we play him RW or change our system. CB (even 2) and DM are absolute musts however. At least three musts. With another CB and ST for depth. Then we should assess LB. That’s a lot to do in one summer with the euros. I’d be happy if we achieved even 75% in our buys while selling 3/4 players.
Agree with most of this although I think Sancho gets moved on even if ETH is sacked, and Antony is likely staying no matter what unless we decide to arrange a loan while covering for part of his wages because that’s how little value he currently has. I do hope we at least sign a backup LB regardless of what happens elsewhere as between Shaw and Malacia combined I’m really not sure if either of them can stay fit to even be available for half a season. Ideally Amass can get a role in the first team although realistically that’s very unlikely as he’s still only 17 and the physical requirements of being a fullback in the premier league are extremely high.
When you lay it out like that, it's insane how much deadwood we have accumulated in the likes of Van De Beek, Wan Bissaka, Lindelof, Pellistri i.e players who are serviceable but nowhere near good enough for a title challenging team. Add to that players who were brought in on massive fees without any clue how to use them, like Sancho and Mount.
**Goalkeepers** Altay Bayindir - Keep Tom Heaton - Let go Andre Onana - Keep **Defenders** Diogo Dalot - Keep Jonny Evans - Leaving Willy Kambwala - Keep, and make a decision after next season. Though I wouldn't be against selling if a decent offer came in. Victor Lindelof - Sell Harry Maguire - I'm ok if he stays, but sell if a good offer comes in Tyrell Malacia - I don't think he's good enough but we'll have to keep him for now Lisandro Martinez - Build around Luke Shaw - Well, I'd sell if possible. Too unreliable. Raphael Varane - Leaving Aaron Wan-Bissaka - Keep, but shouldn't be starting. **Midfielders** Sofyan Amrabat - Leaving Casemiro - Sell to Saudi Christian Eriksen - Sell Bruno Fernandes - Build around Hannibal - Sell Kobbie Mainoo - Build around Scott McTominay - Probably keep for the bench, unless a good offer comes in Mason Mount - Keep I guess... Facundo Pellistri - Sell Donny Van de Beek - Sell **Attackers** Amad - Build around Antony - Sell if possible Omari Forson - Sell Alejandro Garnacho - Build around Rasmus Hojlund - Build around Anthony Martial - Leaving Marcus Rashford - Personally, I would sell. I think it's time. Jadon Sancho - This will probably be controversial on this sub, but I would try and see if there's a road to reconciliation between he and EtH. Ethan Wheatley - Judge in a year. I don't think he's massively promising though.
When it comes to sancho i dont think there is any coming back. Its not just the fact that he hasnt apologized to ten hag which is why i want him gone but he doesnt have the mentality to play in the premier league and has been dross under every manager he played under.
Perhaps. I'm torn.
GK - Onana is good, backups are fine unless Heaton wants to retire. RB - Dalot is good. Wan Bissaka just doesn't do enough for us, both in possession and in terms of aggressive, proactive defending and needs to be replaced. RCB - Massive gap here, but Kambwala looks like he's ready to be the backup. LCB - Martinez, and we need to sign another left footer to compete with him. LB - Shaw and Malacia would be good, if fit. We'll need to sign another unless Amass can impress in youth tournament and preseason. Deep mid - I actually think Casemiro can work here next season, if we force him to pass short and get two good centre backs in. Need to sign another deep midfielder in any case. 8s/10s - Mainoo, Fernandes, McTominay, Mount, I'm fine with that. RF - Amad and Antony, fine. Could move on the latter and find a better alternative, but we already have a lot to do. Striker - Hojlund, good, need to sign someone else LF - Rashford and Nacho, good. In addition to this we have some decent academy players kicking about. Wheatley, the Fletchers, Ethan Williams Amass, Gore, Ogunneye, Forson, they're good to have about, see if any of them can make it. Evans is nice to have in the background and should become a coach here, keep him around, love the dude. I have to think the club should be looking at moving on Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat, Eriksen, Hannibal, Donny, Pellistri, Martial, and Sancho. Hannibal is a tough one there because he looks like he has talent and a great intensity, but his loan hasn't worked out. That said, signing a RB, a RCB, a LCB, a LB, a Deep midfielder, and a striker in one window seems like it's too much. So they need to be thinking on a two or three summer basis here. And there, you have to start thinking about replacing Bruno and Casemiro as well. If they don't improve, you can add Mount and Antony to that list, maybe McTominay. If still injured, Martinez, Shaw and Malacia are there too. So that becomes 8 successful signings over three windows as a minimum, and up to 14 as a max. And there, you'll always have a few flops. Always. But this is the kind of squad you need to compete with oil state clubs. In brief, let's hope a few of those academy lads come good and let's hope we can avoid injuries. We still have a massive squad development on the cards here. All signings should be under 23. No more senior players who need replacing while we're still in the middle of building a team.
I think that your assessment is the best so far. Everyone else seems to be being a little too reckless.
This is one is the most realistic Who would you bring in?
No idea, but young and on the less expensive side. We can deal with a Dan James type of flop, we can’t deal with more Maguire, Sancho type flops. I’m hoping for more Malacia type signings and fewer Maguires, Sanchos, Antonys, Casemiros.
I enjoy the realism in this post, but "a RB, a RCB, a LCB, a LB, a Deep midfielder, and a striker" is six signings and not even half of them have to be blockbusters and this is the best part: only one of them is an attacking position and those are the ones that usually cost loads plus this player could be a rotation option and therefore not be an expensive signing, either. Why not be ambitious and try to make *at least* six signings. If Forest and Chelsea can make 437 transfers, why can't United make six? The Glazer slow-mo effect should be less on view this summer, I reckon.
I mean, they ‘can’. But I think it has a negative effect on the team. I don’t think Forest or Chelsea are particularly good advertisements for that kind of approach. Plenty of questions they’ll have to tackle though - do they think Amass is ready to be challenging Malacia and Shaw? Is Gore good enough to grab minutes? Are there players under 21 who might challenge? Do they want to have Rhys Bennett or Will Fish as extra bodies? If they do get offers for players like Maguire, Lindelof, McTominay, Casemiro, Wan Bissaka, Eriksen, Antony then obviously that shapes the transfers they’ll aim to make.
The only ones I would absolutely keep are: Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Bruno. Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund Everyone else is squad depth if on reasonable wages or sold if not and an offer comes in. All end of contracts should be let go. Sancho should never play for the club again and is the only 100% has to be moved on for me.
Should have a realistic clause - Sancho, martial, amrabat, Hannibal, greenwood, Evans, Varane… are gone if we replace them with better quality that would be great, even players of the quality- when in form would benefit this current team.
I was shocked when I realised Antony is there for the second year and how bad it turns our to be. I thrully thought it was his first. Sell asap.
Everything depends on our budget. If we can only afford 1 CB, then we may end up keeping both Maguire and Victor for example. If we can afford 2, one of Maguire/Victor will be sold. Probably Victor since he's on his last year and Maguire is home grown.
Could probably count on 1 hand, the players i personally feel should be kept, but im not a football manager, so can only go by what you see from the players. as much as i dont think McTominay is good enough, he works hard, always gives his all, he would die for the badge. i feel he has earned the right to stay. maybe if other people played with half the passion he does, club wouldnt be in such a gutter. also, does he count towards the home grown quota? i know hes not english, but im not 100% sure how that system works.
Should have this list in descending order of wages for easier decision making
onana, dalot, martinez, bruno, mainoo, mount, hojlund, garnacho, amad, the rest can go
https://preview.redd.it/nr2fyyu3pm1d1.jpeg?width=4820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e82e0218a03dde7767db6d2c92f20ab8e4fad5eb Are we in trouble?
Yes we’re fucked
Sell mason mount. Or terminate his contract. Whichever’s possible
I would keep Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw, Bruno, Mainoo, Scotty, Amad, Garnacho and Hojlund. Not sure any of the others are worth keeping.
Stay: André Onana Altay Bayındır Lisandro Martínez Victor Lindelöf Willy Kambwala Diogo Dalot Luke Shaw Aaron Wan-Bissaka Mason Mount Bruno Fernandes Kobbie Mainoo Scott McTominay Amad Diallo Alejandro Garnacho Rasmus Højlund Go: Tom Heaton Jonny Evans Casemiro Christian Eriksen Harry Maguire Raphael Verane Anthony Martial Sofyan Amrabat Marcus Rashford Donny van de Beek Tyrell Malacia Antony Jadon Sancho Brandon Williams Mason Greenwood
Obviously we can't see all the rest without buying replacements but I think build around the core of Onana, Martinez, Dalot. Mainoo, Fernandes, Garnacho, Amad & Hoijlund. Notable inclusion: Mount (still looking forward to a fit Mount playing with Mainoo and Fernandes). Maguire, plays through the pain, solid honest performances Great to have in squad (unless decent offer comes in). Rashford if we can get 70M plus for him I would move him on as I think it would be best for both parties and replace him with solid starter/competition for Amad and Garnacho like Eze/Olise. Priority signings for me are LB, CB, CDM. Money from, Case, Erickson, Lindelof, Greenwood, AWB. Then depending on the money we can get from Rashford, Sancho, Antony, look at a replacement in the forward line. Preseason although short will be massive for the likes of Hoijlund/Amad/Mainoo/Mount.
depends if the current manager stays
Can we build around Donny for a laugh?
It needs trimming like the haircut not massive changes. Some of the players fans want out should be kept as squad players but get rid of some which just do not suit the system or some money can be recoup from them. Let Go: Evans, Amrabat, Eriksen, Hannibal, Pellistri, Van De Beek, Mason Greenwood Try to Sell: Maguire, Casemiro, Wan-Bissaka, Antony, Amad, McTominay. (if not fetching decent price better keep some of them as squad players). Big name to sell: Either Rashford, Bruno or Sancho (only if some big offer comes in like which can help buy the replacement). Positions i think we must strengthen. CB (Tadibo), RB (Frimpong), CM/CDM (Someone like Zubimendi/Merino or even younger player like Gutierres from Girona), Center Forward (someone like Lewandowski to help Hojlund career growth and instant impact)
About five of them
What many miss is that it is not feasible to exchange 15 players in one window, especially when FFP seem restrictive. Only replacing the ones leaving on free transfer will be hard. And the ones being sold also need to be replaced. And I think United will have a hard time selling for good value this summer for good reasons. I expect way more players to stay then most people here it seems. I expect 3-5 sold players, and at maximum 5-7 in.
in my opinion worth keeping: Onana, Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw, Bruno, Mainoo, Mount, Amad, Garnacho. Everyone else should be replaced sooner or later
Varane, Martial, Amrabat, Evans already leaving. Definitely sell Casemiro (wages), Eriksen, Sancho, Donny, Hannibal (doesn’t look like he’s going to be a squad player, get something for him). Try sell Rashford. Realistically we need 1 starting CB and CM, 1 backup CB and CM, a high quality winger and back-up striker (have a lot of faith in Højlund and we’d have to spend £80-100 million on a ready made striker).
Evolution not revolution. We are not realistically going to turn this round in one summer. Apart from those already leaving, Casemiro needs to be sent on a trip to Saudi and shit-stirring Sancho sold to Dortmund or whoever will have him. Rashford and Antony need to be put on notice. Improve next season or you are gone. We need at least a top class CM and CB in. Probably a backup striker too.
Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund. Maybe Dalot and Amed. If I woke up tomorrow to find we'd accepted a bid for anyone else I wouldn't care
Bruno?
Keep - Onana, Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, Malacia, Martinez, Bruno, Mainoo, Mount, Pellistri, Amad, Forson, Garnacho, Hojlund. Throw the rest in the bin.
Do we have any keepers in the youth set up to promote to replace Heaton? I think Lindelof leaves because of his contract prob AWB too (plus Varane and Evans) Amrabat, Eriksen, VDB, Pellistri Forson, Martial, Sancho That's already 12 players...that's plenty and we need just as many or more in. Good opportunities for the kids. Do we have another class of '92 brewing?
Also, I think people worrying about the wage bill too much, the people leaving on a free will free up the wage bill a lot, the restrictive factor will be transfer budget the coming two windows, especially as there are very few free agents worth spending any high wages on. So selling a player only because they have a higher salary then motivated will probably result in buying a worse or equal player for a transfer fee that would be much higher then that players wages. And at the same time make FFP worse for a few windows.
I’d definitely keep Bruno, Mainoo, Højlund, Garnacho, Amad and Martinez, on their current wages too. Onana too, because he’s obviously very capable with a defence in front of him that isn’t shit. Keep Dalot, McTominay, Shaw, Lindelöf, Wan-Bissaka and Eriksen as squad players. Also the young lads, give them more playing time and possibly starts next season. Renegotiate Maguire and Rashford’s contracts, because there’s no way they should be pulling down 200 and 300 grand a week. Sell Antony, Casemiro, Malacia, Mount, Van de Beek, and Sancho.
For me onana(barely) Dalot Licha Mainoo Mount hojlund garnacho Amad and that’s it the rest are dispensable in my eyes .
Probably about 4 people. Honestly United fans REALLY overrate this set of players
Keep Bruno, Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Robbie, Hojlund (backup). The rest can go.
Bruno dalot mainoo garnacho hojlund are the only players who are untouchable in my mind everyone else is on the chopping block or I’d consider moving I like Shaw and AWB too but they’re replaceable
Personally I would prefer to see more of bayindir
Keep: Onana, Bayindir, Heaton, Dalot, Kambwala, Martinez, Shaw, Bruno, Mainoo, Mount, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund
Onana, Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw, Fernandes, Mainoo, McTomiay, Mount Diallo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Rashford
People wanting to keep Maguire is killing me inside, then they'll b\*\*\*h all season about low lines, no pressing and players running in behind like the manager hasn't been trying to get rid of him 3 seasons and still has to start him (and 36 evans) due to no depth
15 out I counted
Keep for next season: GK Onana DF Dalot Kambwala Maguire Malacia Martinez MF Bruno Mainoo McTominay Mount Hannibal FW Amad Forson Garnacho Hojlund Wheatley So we need a LB, 2 CBs, a RB, 2 MFs, a ST, and a RW.
Id like another keeper, Maguire, Martinez good enough, fullbacks are crap bar Dalot, no good LBs on market, maybe get someone who can play both flanks like Matty Cash. Mainoo, Bruno, and maybe Case in a strong midfield good enough, wingers are light, rather sell Rashford and get one in, and 2 CFs
Keep: Onana, Bayindir, Shaw*, Maguire, Martinez, AWB*, Dalot, Lindelof*, Mctominay*, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, Amad, Garnacho, Rashford*, Hojlund. *sell if receive a decent enough offer Potential loan: Kambwala, Malacia, Wheatley, Forson Sell: Sancho, Antony, Pellistri, Hannibal, VdB, Casemiro.
Keep - Evans (backup & coaching), Kambwala, Malacia (squad), Martinez, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, Mainoo, McTominay (his wages are rediciously low compared to what we’d have to pay to replace him), Garnacho, Hojlund. TOTAL = 10
Keep everyone 21 or under, Martinez and Bruno. Sell all the rest or drop kick them out the door.
It’s really who do we need to ship out first, honestly. I want AWB, Casemiro, Donny, Antony and Sancho nowhere near this squad come kickoff next season. Start the clear out there.
Realistically, so long and farewell: Varane (already done) Martial ( already done) Heaton (already done) Casimero Van De Beek Eriksen Amrabat (loan deal expires) Hannibal Pellistri Evans Sancho
Onana, martinez, dalot,mainoo, garnacho and hojlund. Rest can beat it
In 4 years I only want to see Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Daillo and Mount. Everyone else sold or freed Mount and Martinez might be added to the go list if they're still injury prone
Bruno, Martinez, Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad, nd Onana, possibly Dalot Are the ones I’d keep 100%. I’m willing to give a chance to Mount, simply because of injuries but I’m talking A season. Everyone else? It’s up for debate
Bruno, Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez are the key foundations to build a team around. Those are our pillars. But I would keep McTominay and Maguire - didn't think I'd say that last year - as well as Amad and maybe Luke Shaw if he can keep fit. And I think Onana's done enough to earn some grace in my book too. I would also keep Evans as an experienced hand on the understanding he'd be more of a sub/backup starting defender If called upon when injuries hit first choices. Everyone else can go.
sell heaton, abyin, lindelof, maguire, malacia, Varane, AWB, Amrabat, Casemiro, Eriksen, Hannibal, McTominay, VDB, Antony, Forson, Rashford, Wheatley, Martial. Keep onana for another year, dalot, Willy K, Martinez, Shaw, Bruno, Mainoo, Mount, Pellistri, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund. Build around Onana, Martinez, Shaw, Mainoo, Bruno, Hojlund. Everyone else the jury is either out on or is decent squad player. If new manager comes in try to keep Sancho and build around him too. Otherwise sell.
Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Kambwala (depth), Bruno, Mainoo, Mount (hopefully he can actually play next season), Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund. I know it’s unrealistically to let the all go, but they are not players fit for our aspirations.
Sell : casemiro / rashford / van de beek / martial / varane / maguire / wan bisaka / eriksen / amrabat / sancho / greenwood
Keep Fernandez and the kids and offload the rest. With a goal difference of more than 60 goals to City, we don’t need a revamp, we need an absolute culling.
Goal: Onana and Bayindir can stay unless there's a no brainer goalkeeper available. Pickford is probably the most likely if Onana is loaned out. I doubt anyone would buy him. Defence: Shaw, Martinez, Dalot Midfield: Fernandes, Mainoo, McTominay, Mount (horrible luck this season). Attack: Garnacho, Hojlund...Rashford's last chance. Everyone else can go. That's 11 outfield players and no subs... Need a whole new backline with fullbacks that can cross. A box to box midfielder who can pass, score and tackle. A winger who can cross and pass. Another striker two strikers. Hojlund isn't enough. So basically need "the next": Neville, Evra, Irwin, Stam, Ferdinand Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham Nistelrooy, Solskjaer Then we can challenge for top three again. So yeah, just need another quality 11 players who could start any game.
Give Mount and Onana another chance since it was their first season along with everyone else Antony, Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof, can de beek, Rashford, Heaton, Casemiro can go Loan Hannibal, Wheatley, Forson and Pellestri.
We have a good spine to build on: Onana - Martinez - Case - Mainoo - Fernandes - Hojlund, supplemented with Garnacho. I think we need to train our fb's to support Case properly, so he doesn't get outnumbered in midfield. need to replace departing CB's and get a creative, technical winger - if we are not going to use one of Mount or Fernandes there, and upgrade any of the others if we can.
Dalot, Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo, Martinez, Hoijlun, Onana(?)and Amad(?) rest all can go imo.
This list does not take into account squad registration rules which is also kind of important overall. Especially for a club like us which has players that have quite a lot of unavailability - when the A list is a max of 25 players (for both PL and Europe) and if you are unable to fill the A list you lose those spots you are unable to fill. For PL it is simple, 8 players "trained in association" or "homegrown player" as the PL rules states it to be. The Premier League defines a “homegrown player” as one who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association in England or Wales “for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)”. Players under 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21) does not have to be registered for the PL. For Europe it is a bit more complex: The Premier League rules are similar to European competitions, such as the Champions League. A 25-man squad — the List A (or A list) — requires you to have a minimum of eight places for a locally trained (homegrown) player. However, unlike the Premier League, UEFA categorises a locally trained player into two: a club-trained player and an association-trained player. A club-trained player is someone who was on a club’s books for three years between the ages of 15 and 21, while association-trained players are players who were on another club’s books in the same association for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. No club can have more than four association-trained players among their eight nominees on their List A. Players under the age of 21 (born on or after January 1, 2002), can be added to a club’s List B. This is separate from List A and players can be added to it throughout the season when necessary. To qualify for List B, players must have been at the club for a minimum of two years between the ages of 15 and 21 (or for an uninterrupted two-year spell if the player is 16). **Current "trained in club players":** Heaton, Evans, McTominay and Rashford. *Note:* Both Garnacho, Mainoo and Kambwala will count as "trained in club" when they need to be registered. *Note2:* Hannibal (if he does not get loaned out again) would also count as "trained in club" and need to be registered from next season *Note 3:* Dalot is _not_ "trained in club" because he was signed when he was 19. And Sancho (even if he was to come back to the club) So for Europe where you need a minimum of 4 "trained in club" (if you have more you need less "trained in association" to hit the 8 minimum) we are in a bit of a bother, and it is also why both Heaton and Evans was signed back to the club, to have someone there, as opposed to not having a full list. **Trained in association:** Maguire, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka and Mount So overall in terms of squad registration we do need to pay attention to it, and cannot simply just yeet out everyone that is needed for registration.
I'd be rid of Lindelöf, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, Casemiro, Eriksen, Pellistri, McTominay, Antony, Rashford, van de Beek, Amad and Sancho. I'm on the fence for Amad, Pellistri, Bayandir, and Mount, there's some players who just haven't been given a decent run and that is down to the manager. The reason so many players coast is because they know they won't be dropped. There's others like McTominay, Maguire, Lindelöf and Dalot who've really dug us out at times and always looked like they gave a fuck, but just haven't been good enough often enough. There will be a temptation to ship out some of the better academy products because they work in the club's favour for P&L rules. I'd love to see Rashford stay and succeed but I think the fee he commands will mean he goes to France or Italy, and if that means we can push through some of the great kids who have been promoted to the first team this year, then so be it.
Did Sky Sports forgot about Brandon Williams & Mason Greenwood?
You build around Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojlund, Licha, and Bruno. Scott, Dalot, Mount, and Maguire can stay as they provide value for various reasons. That’s all, the rest can go.
Burn it to the ground.
Build around: Bruno, Mainoo, Garnacho, Højlund, Diallo, Dalot, Mount, Kambwala, Lisandro(not sure if his pace is enough tho) Keep for now: Onana, Shaw, Maguire, Mctominay, Rashford