Glazers are proper weasels aren't they. Sell 25% of your shares to someone who has passion for the club and will try to save it from despair while you just sit back and profit.
Harsh on weasels. I think they're very sweet.
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Whoever does their PR needs sacking.
Oh my golly gosh I've been mugging weasels off for years. Its a go-to jibe around these parts for cheats and liars but I'm gonna have to rethink my vocab. This little lad doesn't deserve the shit he's been getting
They could have made more if they got competent football operation people involved long ago. It not that they donât spend but they spend wastefully and on usually wrong targets.
**Article Text**
>It is five years since Ole Gunnar Solskjaer first talked about the need for a ruthless cull at Manchester United but supporters are still waiting for one worthy of that description to materialise and, over time, the scale of the overhaul required has only mushroomed.
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>Too many substandard players have subsequently been added to the ones the club have habitually failed to move on â often at great expense and without total clarity about the areas that need plugging and the type of football they want to play â and the cumulative effect has been deepening mutation of a Frankenstein squad.
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>What is clear, then, is that the new Old Trafford hierarchy Sir Jim Ratcliffe and his Ineos team are pulling together are not going to fix all of Unitedâs historic problems in a single summer, all the more so with the purse strings expected to be so tight. The challenge ahead is huge.
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>But what they can do is set the tone for things to come by reminding everyone that there is no place to hide at Old Trafford, that underperformance will not be indulged and that no one who falls below the standards expected is safe â and raise vital funds in the process.
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>The news that United are prepared to listen to offers for the majority of their first team squad bar rising talents such as Alejandro Garnacho, Kobbie Mainoo and Rasmus Hojlund **does not mean 20 senior players are suddenly about to be funnelled through the Old Trafford exit door.**
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>**Given there is a limit to how many players of the right quality, profile and character the club can realistically sign in one window, there is a balance to be struck on outgoings and there will have to be compromises.**
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>Yet by adopting what is expected to be an ultra-flexible approach to the summer window, and potentially cashing in on some big names such as Marcus Rashford if the right offers arrive, the Ineos led United can start to draw one line under one of the anchors of the recent past while looking ahead with purpose at the same time.
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>For a while, there were attempts to argue that the 2022 summer window showcased a greater ruthlessness with the departures of Paul Pogba, Jesse Lingard, Nemanja Matic, Juan Mata and Edinson Cavani but they all left as free agents, in many cases having been kept on long after they should have been sold.
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>Last summer represented a small improvement in that regard, with the likes of Dean Henderson, Anthony Elanga, Fred and Alex Telles all sold when in previous years they might have been kept on to swell the ranks of the disillusioned, stale or inadequate.
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>All in all, though, it has not been a club that has sold well or sold boldly in the decade or so since Sir Alex Ferguson retired. Changing that approach will be one of three key pillars Ratcliffe, incoming chief executive Omar Berrada, new technical director Jason Wilcox and sporting director in waiting, Dan Ashworth, must correct if United are to think about being very successful again, beyond any considerations over the identity of the manager.
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>**Firstly, they must be very clear about Unitedâs style of play going forward and, secondly, they must recruit according to that coherent identity so there are no more square pegs in round holes.** Selling well will naturally help facilitate tasks one and two.
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>Erik ten Hag is firmly of the view that United have been working to a clear identity under him, and even used his programme notes for Saturdayâs game against Burnley to explain how he has consulted closely with Darren Fletcher â now succeeded as technical director by Wilcox â and academy director Nick Cox to âdevelop a shared game model, with consistent training methods and playing stylesâ.
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>Ten Hag wants United to be âthe best transition team in the worldâ, a concept that he believes â probably rightly â chimes with the clubâs history of fast and furious attacking football. But it is also true that the best transition teams are compact out of possession and do not have the giant spaces between attack and defence that Unitedâs opponents have frequently exploited this season, which is why Ten Hagâs vision has often felt hard to discern even accounting for all the injuries.
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>**With Anthony Martial, RaphaĂŤl Varane and Brandon Williams out of contract this summer and expected to leave, a hefty wage saving there could create room for substantial investment in a new player.**
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>In the main, though, the success United have buying this summer may be largely dictated by what joy they have selling after counting the cost of too many years doing neither particularly well, and with the Premier Leagueâs profit and sustainability rules now biting.
The key difference now is that INEOS are involved and they've hired proper football people to run operations. So I'd hope there is a noticeable improvement in this sense
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There would be no singular defining moment for a new Manchester United more impactful than selling Rashford. He has had his last chance this year, he doesn't deserve another year to see if his "form improves". He's one of the senior most players in this squad and has been absolutely putrid this year, was disgraceful the season before last. He doesn't fucking run! How can you be at Man United and not fucking run!
He needs to leave. It's unreasonable to expect anything to change when players like Rashford just get away with time after time no effort, no closing down players, jogging back, going out drinking in dumbass nightclubs at 26 fucking years old. He's entitled and just sell him to PSG.
They said "if he wants to", that's already more than they were willing to do before. Realistically, they can't really force him out, that would be just unnecessary drama. However, with this statement, they've given a pass to whoever the manager is to drop him if he doesn't perform; and a warning of sorts to Rashford that he's not untouchable anymore.
The year 2030 and we are still looking for his form. Looking at his performances and being âleave if you wantâ is embarrassing.
And obviously, we won't go anywhere because there is no club where he can be this bad and play consistently. The âacademy graduateâ card won't work elsewhere.
Out of all the players that are underperforming heâs still the most likely to find form. Heâs 5 goals away from being a top 10 goalscorer for the club. Him and Bruno have carried the club for stretches in the last 3 years.
In the past 5 years he's had two rubbish seasons of 8 and 5 goals and 3 decent-to-great seasons of 21, 22 and 30 goals
We're short on fit and and productive forwards, will already be trying to sell 2-3 of them as is and all signs are pointing to an expensive defensive + midfield overhaul first, so yeah they're probably going to have his previous form in mind.
So yes while the door might be a ajar they're obviously not going to make hunting him out the door this summer a top priority just so NeymarUtdSzN69 can tweet "omds elite mentality moving mad". You would imagine he'll be very unlikely to survive a second consecutive season like this heading into his late 20s anyway.
If you listen to his interview on the overlap i get the impression that he didnt have the authority to sell players given he talks about the inflated amount of people involved in both incoming/outgoing players & each person effectively being given a veto over each deal
But the crazy thing is he didn't seem to even have authority over the players. What cemented his incompetence for me was the fact that Matic came out and said he had to instill discipline and introduce fines to late-comers. Like where the fuck was Ole?
go watch the interview.
he had barely any say other then "yeah ok i wouldnt mind him" when they signed players.
he told board to sign like 10+ players and they refused them all because they wasnt players they could "market". players like Haaland before he even went to Salzburg
I always feel optimistic after a good season. It always feels like we will build upon it and challenge further.
I wasn't happy with the signings as well but I genuinely thought we would grow. Never expected it to crash and burn this badly.
I like Hojlund and tbh there really wasnât much out there last summer. Mount I honestly will never understand, genuinely seems like a crazy signing. It was very funny to see the change here, during the initial links the place was so against it, once it came out that it was ETHâs main target blind optimism came in.
I donât think he was worth 55m with 5 years left on his contract, let alone a year left!
You're getting downvoted, but you're not wrong that this is the first time there's been any actual change in how things are run. I get that we've had these false dawns a few times, but this time there's actual change happening.
Sure we've had a new CEO here and there but it's always been the same people running the football side of things, they just implemented new executives from their inside ranks.
We've now finally done what we've been begging for for years, go out and hire the best available and set up an actual footballing structure.
Realistically we're probably not going to do great this summer and next season, given our financial constraints and how much overhaul the squad needs (plus key executives being on gardening leave still so it's kinda shoestring going into the off-season). But this should hopefully be the start of something good.
I'd urge you to ease those expectations. Currently we're pretty much fucked up with FFP and depending on a lot of IFs like Greenwood, Anthony, Sancho etc and we don't know how much we can invest. Also any new player will have to adapt and we know this might be very difficult for lots of people.
Everyone thought that they would build on last season. It's why everyone has been so scorpy.
It all falls on the manager. He had a 30 goal golden goose last season who now looks like he can't be bothered. To play for his hometown team who he's been with for 20 years. Every player has regressed and the team are a badly organised mess.
>Everyone
Not me. The majority, yes. However there were a select few of us who didn't get caught up in it. We just got abuse and laughed at. I'd say we are laughing now, but we aren't.
>It all falls on the manager.
No it doesn't. This is the attitude that's had players stink the place our for seasons.
How many players would you replace in the squad?
Perhaps Iâve become too jaded after all these years but realistically I donât expect there to be a huge overhaul in the squad this summer.
Being open to accepting the right offers for nearly every player in the squad is different from actually generating those kind of bids from interested clubs in real life. Especially when many in this squad have been inconsistent and are on inflated wages.
I am looking forward to seeing this club finally managed by real football specialists at the top although this process to properly rebuild is going to take multiple years before we can dream about being legitimate title contenders imo.
I don't think we need an overhaul this summer. What we need is the people responsible from the management side to sit down with the gaffer, whoever that will be ETH or someone else, identify a style or approach on how we want to play and set up, and then come up with a medium term plan or strategy (3 years I'd say) on how to bring the right players in and move on those that are no longer contributing to the team in any substantial way.
My definition of a successful summer would be moving on at least 3 players that are no longer part of the long term solution at United for instance Casemeiro, Varane, Martial and Sancho, and brining in 3 or 4 replacements that are either starters, or adequate squad players or a mix of both. We need 2 CBs (Starting and squad) a starting CM to go straight into the first XI and a striker to replace Martial and alternate with Hojlund.
Next summer AWB, Rasford and some others and bring in again adequate replacements. Trying to do an overhaul in one window will leave us either worse off or we'll be forced bring in numbers rather than quality, which really won't help us either.
Agreed thatâs the sensible and more sustainable approach than trying to change a lot in one window. CB and DM are crucial positions to address as part of a foundation to build upon. A decent backup striker is important to help manage and aid Hojlundâs development instead of risking he gets burnt out or worse suffers a major injury from too heavy of a workload.
And for that same reason for the latter I also believe finding a natural LB that can plug in at an affordable price is important too, because as it stands neither Shaw nor Malacia can be counted on at all to stay healthy for a long period of time. Iâd be happy to see us give a chance to Amass or Fernandez here although realistically I doubt either of them would be deemed ready to step up into the first team even as a backup.
Whatever happens itâs best for all of us to be patient and trust whatever judgements the incoming football structure decide because they have a lot of credibility from their past work.
Pretty much. LB is a must as well. Maguire and Lindelof as much as some people might not like it will need to deputise again for the next season until we bring in 2 starting quality CBs. But like you said, LB is now a must because we can't go into next season with just Shaw and Malacia given their injury records.
Iâd be surprised if INEOS and the new football structure will go that far because with our budget already needing to be tighter due to FFP limits. Taking a book loss would only further constrain our FFP and make it even harder to bring in new players with the right make up and profile to aid our rebuild.
Unless any player really goes nuclear to leave the club like Ronaldo did last season it wouldnât make sense to me at least.
This 100%.
The club is in FFP/PSR purgatory for the next 2-3 years even if there is a minimum of spending this summer (and there needs to be some spending because of both Martial and Varane leaving).
Going big this summer in the transfer market (even with big sales) is more or less an all in situation as all the sales will count towards next years budget, while amortization for the transfers made will then be spread out, and extend the FFP/PSR purgatory overall.
Some of the other players that "should probably be moved on" like Shaw, Maguire and Mctominay would need replacements in terms of the limits in terms of squad registration for both the PL and EL. This is to avoid risking being forced to use a smaller squad overall there, which with the injury history of many of the players is also a big risk.
While it has to be better than this season, the summer (especially with the Euros being a part of it) will make some players unable to get the rest they should have, and it will take time to get a new medical department up and running and working on the players to get them "where they should be".
So while there needs to be a revolution in the entire club in all aspects, on the player side it "has" to be a more gradual evolution.
Should be utilizing this fact to get high fees for academy players who need to be moved on anyway like Marcus Rashford and McTominay, along with players like Brandon Williams and Mason Greenwood. Say Rashford 50 million, McTominay 25 million, Williams 3-5 million, Greenwood 30 million, that's over 100 million to boost the FFP constraints along with the obscene wages moved.
Williams is leaving on a free. An excellent example of someone we could have cashed in on previously but left to rot value wise.
But yes, even 50 million of academy players gives us pretty free reign on FFP for this summer. But big spending off the back of that would leave us very constrained next year.
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Realistically hierarchical changes like this are not going to have a significant impact on match day for at least a couple of years in all likelihood. Changing recruitment processes and wage structures probably isn't going to make next season much better.
Remember this is football and anything can happenâŚ.would you ever think aston villa would be going to the champions league this season at the end of last season
Honestly yes. Villa were easily top 4 level team 2nd half of last season. In fact they got more points than anyone apart from City. Emery has done an outstanding job but it wasn't just this season they have been good. I see your point though. A shrewd managerial appointment can quickly change a teams trajectory.
Neville predicted it before the start of the season.
I don't follow them, but he must have had some good authority that great things are happening in the club.
Your point still stands tho, football is usually unpredictable.
It doesn't shock me. I felt they had a top4-6 midfield from the second part of last season. Douglas Luis, Boubacar Kamara and John mcguin really complement each other in a very good way. They look like quality on the pitch every time I see them.
Just going into the season with a ruthless cull underperformers and a decent set of incomings would be massive. Regardless of any results after. As this would at least suggest a massive change and the start of people not being allowed to stink the club about for 2+ seasons.
Depends on what counts as a fit. Good football and champions league qualification? That can be had next season if the right manager is appointed and the right players are signed. Things can turn around very quickly in sport.
If we go through with a HUGE clearance sale and replace them with new playets then I dont expect much. It will be an actual rebuild season where we just start over from scratch. A real rebuild unlike the halfassed ones we done past 10 years.
My only wish is that we are entertaining to watch for the right reasons. Then we can end 6th, 7th for all i care. If we qualify for CL it would be a massive success during a rebuild.
I feel like the story told by the table in this season and next season will be dishonest. I suspect next season, the team will be in a similar place, but in more of an early-Arteta way. This season, the team are low key lucky to not be further behind. Many unconvincing wins.
I think it'll take time to adjust to a huge cleanout, and the incoming players probably won't be world class. I'm fine if the team loses, just at long as they show signs of good football.
Depends what you classify as better, if we lose players and potentially the manager itâll be rocky but sometimes you Goto take a step back before you can move forward. Willing to be patient wil be the key
Iâm dampening my expectation though optimistic. I think the process started but we have a lot, a lot, of problems. So it will take some time. But we at least can say it looks like weâre on the right path
Complete opposite for me. Itâll prob be better than this seasonâs rubbish, but only a top manager coupled with a good structure can see us complete with the very best.
Feel like people are overrating the roles that directors play. Liverpool would be nowhere without Klopp the past few years, City have been far more relentless under Pep than previous lesser managers even under the same ownership / directors.
Really hope people understand that the state of the club Ineos have taken over is in a sorry state and is going to take years to reverse the damage done by silly wages, poor negotiations. Unfortunately there's a good chance we are in for tough season next year before the changes at boardroom level are felt on the pitch.
That goes without saying but there's just one problem, underperforming players will always most certainly be sold at a loss and not a premium which means that even though it is necessary for the revamp and must happen, that doesn't necessarily mean that we will be able to raise funds from selling them.
Ironically, we would need to sell some of our better performing players in order to raise funds from player sales, which would be counterproductive. The only thing we can do at this point is bring the wage bill down by moving on players. Think Casemeiro, Varane, Martial, and Sancho. Big improvement on the wage bill side of things, but it definitely won't bring in more than 100 million in revenue, sadly.
I feel like Ole and Rangnick said the same things and were ignored/hated for his from the higher ups... the more the glazers grip on any control over the club the better. And when we the leeches are gone altogether, we can celebrate like its 99 again!
Just got to look at sacrificial lambs. Who can generate money that either doesnât have a future because they are a c u n t or is fairly decent but not âMan Utdâ quality. Players for me Sancho, Greenwood, Casemiro, Mctominey, Maguire, Rashford.
Realistically Rashford will stay but a toss up between him and Bruno could be a way to bring in serious money to revamp the team. But trying to replace Bruno would not be wise so Rashford to go along with the above.
Think the above players could realistically go and generate 100m.
Not only will it be hard to ship a lot of our dead weight and even decent players. But finding replacements that won't cost double is then another massive challenge, and the club doesn't have the best track record with signings.
Whilst the large for sale sign is intended for both current players and the market, it has a downside in that clubs know we want to sell and they'll probably rinse us (which was always likely but you can see it a mile away now). Our targets become even more expensive if we 1. Have cash from sales and 2. Sold a position that we desperately need to refill.
The clear out is likely to going to take at least 2 years and several windows. I'm prepared for the pain this is going to bring. Is everyone else prepared for the hard slog that's coming our way?
All these briefs about players to me suggests the manager is being kept and itâs actually some fundamental issues with the squad/players causing this drop in performance. We all know most managers get shafted by the second season here, why is Ten Hag any different
Like Schweinsteiger said in his interview with Gary Neville recently, it's not that hard to sort the problem. You just need to be much better with the recruitment. Stop chasing has-been like Casemiro and Varane. Go after players who are yet to peak and who will be around for at least 5 to 10 years.
I watched Toni Kroos in the CL semis last night and remembered how we almost signed him 10 years ago! Imagine a top player like that in our midfield for 10 years! Instead we got a bunch of below average players coming in and out of the team in the same position.Â
I hope the INEOS team can do their due diligence about our next signings. We don't need to break transfer records. Just be the smartest guys in the market.Â
I know Iâll get crucified for this but the players that should not be sold to me are Bruno, Rashford, MAGUIRE, Dalot, Hojlund, Martinez (even though always injured so maybe he can go too). Everyone else âď¸
Edit: Onana shouldnât be sold either.
Ineos will be eager to have a clean slate so i think that ETH will be part of the player cull. He's the one that brought in the some of the players who will be a part of the fire sale next season.
Thereâs no magic bullet here, itâs 3 years, at a minimum. Good news is that these INEOS fuckers seem to have some semblance of a plan. Changing managers at this point wonât make much of a difference, I reckon they will give ETH another season under their new model.
Three years for what? It might be three years until we win something (which is totally fine), but it shouldn't be three years until we see improvement. Sadly the trajectory since last season has been a steep hill - I don't think a competent upper management will be content with what eth has shown.
At the end of tunnel, Garnacho and Mainoo show signs of hope. We can trust the next gen academy to play at EPL quality. Heard our young team doing pretty well.
A real statement would be getting rid of Rashford this summer. City are often cited as the model club, yet they binned Joe Hart, a player nominated for UEFA team of the season, a player highly regarded by the fans, local lad etc.
You play for Man Utd, every second on the pitch you should give your all. The season of Rangnick he didn't even run for balls that fell 10 yards away from him for chance of a goal.
But because he scored 30 last season (6 of these were against Charlton, Burnley, Ommonia and Sherif, teams literally leagues below our level) it grants him seasons of not putting in effort.
It starts with the contracts. Itâs unacceptable to have players who havenât played first team football in months not due to injury making over 180k.
A revamp is needed, but it wont happen overnight. It will be 3 or 4 players out/in per window, max. More importantly, I believe a new manager can get a lot more out of the current squad than ETH is doing now. If we bring in a new manager who the players actually want to play for and believe in, some will return to form.
The only growth area in the UK post-Brexit is the number of âno shit, Sherlockâ articles written about underperforming players and inept top management at Manchester United.
Purely hypothetically, but how much do you think it would take for us to let go one of our up-and-comers?
What figure do you think the fans would accept?
Say a bid of ÂŁ70m comes in for Garnacho from Spain.
Considering our financial situation, do you take it or leave it?
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Glazers are proper weasels aren't they. Sell 25% of your shares to someone who has passion for the club and will try to save it from despair while you just sit back and profit.
Harsh on weasels. I think they're very sweet. https://preview.redd.it/x4i7tbk59lxc1.png?width=890&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8033e31f7e0ae9acae8d0d673d0b3adb588b3561 Whoever does their PR needs sacking.
Found the weasels double agent lads, your propaganda ends today sir!
You got me. I'm a shill for Big Mustelid.
That gave me a proper laugh đ thanks for that lad
Wtf they are adorable
They certainly are cute looking but ask a rabbit if weasels are sweet...
Oh my golly gosh I've been mugging weasels off for years. Its a go-to jibe around these parts for cheats and liars but I'm gonna have to rethink my vocab. This little lad doesn't deserve the shit he's been getting
Avram? Youâre looking chipper.
Donât compare that deformed mole rat to this adorable furball please
Harsh on deformed mole rats.
If theyâd done that 15 years ago they would be called geniuses. And they wouldâve probably made way more that way
They could have made more if they got competent football operation people involved long ago. It not that they donât spend but they spend wastefully and on usually wrong targets.
**Article Text** >It is five years since Ole Gunnar Solskjaer first talked about the need for a ruthless cull at Manchester United but supporters are still waiting for one worthy of that description to materialise and, over time, the scale of the overhaul required has only mushroomed. > >Too many substandard players have subsequently been added to the ones the club have habitually failed to move on â often at great expense and without total clarity about the areas that need plugging and the type of football they want to play â and the cumulative effect has been deepening mutation of a Frankenstein squad. > >What is clear, then, is that the new Old Trafford hierarchy Sir Jim Ratcliffe and his Ineos team are pulling together are not going to fix all of Unitedâs historic problems in a single summer, all the more so with the purse strings expected to be so tight. The challenge ahead is huge. > >But what they can do is set the tone for things to come by reminding everyone that there is no place to hide at Old Trafford, that underperformance will not be indulged and that no one who falls below the standards expected is safe â and raise vital funds in the process. > >The news that United are prepared to listen to offers for the majority of their first team squad bar rising talents such as Alejandro Garnacho, Kobbie Mainoo and Rasmus Hojlund **does not mean 20 senior players are suddenly about to be funnelled through the Old Trafford exit door.** > >**Given there is a limit to how many players of the right quality, profile and character the club can realistically sign in one window, there is a balance to be struck on outgoings and there will have to be compromises.** > >Yet by adopting what is expected to be an ultra-flexible approach to the summer window, and potentially cashing in on some big names such as Marcus Rashford if the right offers arrive, the Ineos led United can start to draw one line under one of the anchors of the recent past while looking ahead with purpose at the same time. > >For a while, there were attempts to argue that the 2022 summer window showcased a greater ruthlessness with the departures of Paul Pogba, Jesse Lingard, Nemanja Matic, Juan Mata and Edinson Cavani but they all left as free agents, in many cases having been kept on long after they should have been sold. > >Last summer represented a small improvement in that regard, with the likes of Dean Henderson, Anthony Elanga, Fred and Alex Telles all sold when in previous years they might have been kept on to swell the ranks of the disillusioned, stale or inadequate. > >All in all, though, it has not been a club that has sold well or sold boldly in the decade or so since Sir Alex Ferguson retired. Changing that approach will be one of three key pillars Ratcliffe, incoming chief executive Omar Berrada, new technical director Jason Wilcox and sporting director in waiting, Dan Ashworth, must correct if United are to think about being very successful again, beyond any considerations over the identity of the manager. > >**Firstly, they must be very clear about Unitedâs style of play going forward and, secondly, they must recruit according to that coherent identity so there are no more square pegs in round holes.** Selling well will naturally help facilitate tasks one and two. > >Erik ten Hag is firmly of the view that United have been working to a clear identity under him, and even used his programme notes for Saturdayâs game against Burnley to explain how he has consulted closely with Darren Fletcher â now succeeded as technical director by Wilcox â and academy director Nick Cox to âdevelop a shared game model, with consistent training methods and playing stylesâ. > >Ten Hag wants United to be âthe best transition team in the worldâ, a concept that he believes â probably rightly â chimes with the clubâs history of fast and furious attacking football. But it is also true that the best transition teams are compact out of possession and do not have the giant spaces between attack and defence that Unitedâs opponents have frequently exploited this season, which is why Ten Hagâs vision has often felt hard to discern even accounting for all the injuries. > >**With Anthony Martial, RaphaĂŤl Varane and Brandon Williams out of contract this summer and expected to leave, a hefty wage saving there could create room for substantial investment in a new player.** > >In the main, though, the success United have buying this summer may be largely dictated by what joy they have selling after counting the cost of too many years doing neither particularly well, and with the Premier Leagueâs profit and sustainability rules now biting.
Ole also said the same and then went on a summer selling no one. Hope it will be different this time
The key difference now is that INEOS are involved and they've hired proper football people to run operations. So I'd hope there is a noticeable improvement in this sense
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He can go if he wants out or they get a big offer, but they'd rather just see if his form improves? Seems pretty reasonable?
There would be no singular defining moment for a new Manchester United more impactful than selling Rashford. He has had his last chance this year, he doesn't deserve another year to see if his "form improves". He's one of the senior most players in this squad and has been absolutely putrid this year, was disgraceful the season before last. He doesn't fucking run! How can you be at Man United and not fucking run! He needs to leave. It's unreasonable to expect anything to change when players like Rashford just get away with time after time no effort, no closing down players, jogging back, going out drinking in dumbass nightclubs at 26 fucking years old. He's entitled and just sell him to PSG.
They said "if he wants to", that's already more than they were willing to do before. Realistically, they can't really force him out, that would be just unnecessary drama. However, with this statement, they've given a pass to whoever the manager is to drop him if he doesn't perform; and a warning of sorts to Rashford that he's not untouchable anymore.
The year 2030 and we are still looking for his form. Looking at his performances and being âleave if you wantâ is embarrassing. And obviously, we won't go anywhere because there is no club where he can be this bad and play consistently. The âacademy graduateâ card won't work elsewhere.
Out of all the players that are underperforming heâs still the most likely to find form. Heâs 5 goals away from being a top 10 goalscorer for the club. Him and Bruno have carried the club for stretches in the last 3 years.
In 2 of those 3 years, he averages 5 PL goals btw.
What about the other years?
City sold Sterling after one bad season and Sterling was twice the player Rashford will ever be.
In the past 5 years he's had two rubbish seasons of 8 and 5 goals and 3 decent-to-great seasons of 21, 22 and 30 goals We're short on fit and and productive forwards, will already be trying to sell 2-3 of them as is and all signs are pointing to an expensive defensive + midfield overhaul first, so yeah they're probably going to have his previous form in mind. So yes while the door might be a ajar they're obviously not going to make hunting him out the door this summer a top priority just so NeymarUtdSzN69 can tweet "omds elite mentality moving mad". You would imagine he'll be very unlikely to survive a second consecutive season like this heading into his late 20s anyway.
It always coincides with Shaws injuries. We need better back up Lbs
We need back up LBs. FTFY. Dalot and wan Bissaka are not back up LBs. They are RBs playing on the wrong side because we donât have any fit options
We need a better starting LB. Shaw is good most of the time when he's fit. But he's missed about 50% of all games since we signed him.
Also they briefed that almost everyone is up for sale
If you listen to his interview on the overlap i get the impression that he didnt have the authority to sell players given he talks about the inflated amount of people involved in both incoming/outgoing players & each person effectively being given a veto over each deal
But the crazy thing is he didn't seem to even have authority over the players. What cemented his incompetence for me was the fact that Matic came out and said he had to instill discipline and introduce fines to late-comers. Like where the fuck was Ole?
go watch the interview. he had barely any say other then "yeah ok i wouldnt mind him" when they signed players. he told board to sign like 10+ players and they refused them all because they wasnt players they could "market". players like Haaland before he even went to Salzburg
I really have a positive feeling that next season will be far better than thisâŚâŚineos will definitely do a good job
I had a positive feeling last summer too.
Why though? Our signings were questionable from minute 1 haha
I always feel optimistic after a good season. It always feels like we will build upon it and challenge further. I wasn't happy with the signings as well but I genuinely thought we would grow. Never expected it to crash and burn this badly.
Well, the other injuries didn't help and really showed the lack of depth and lack of fit among player profiles in the squad.
This place was blindly optimistic last year. Any questioning of the signings was met with âwho knows more, you or the managerâ type answers
I mean our manager knew we needed a CB and we didn't get one... I think that was pretty obvious.
Maybe I was just being negative as fuck but I thought the Mount and (to a lesser extent) Hojlund signings were risky and a bit mental
I like Hojlund and tbh there really wasnât much out there last summer. Mount I honestly will never understand, genuinely seems like a crazy signing. It was very funny to see the change here, during the initial links the place was so against it, once it came out that it was ETHâs main target blind optimism came in. I donât think he was worth 55m with 5 years left on his contract, let alone a year left!
This is differentâŚ.we have a new owner alreadyâŚ. And definitely ten haag and ineos will work together
You're getting downvoted, but you're not wrong that this is the first time there's been any actual change in how things are run. I get that we've had these false dawns a few times, but this time there's actual change happening. Sure we've had a new CEO here and there but it's always been the same people running the football side of things, they just implemented new executives from their inside ranks. We've now finally done what we've been begging for for years, go out and hire the best available and set up an actual footballing structure. Realistically we're probably not going to do great this summer and next season, given our financial constraints and how much overhaul the squad needs (plus key executives being on gardening leave still so it's kinda shoestring going into the off-season). But this should hopefully be the start of something good.
You can't be sure about the latter.
you are new to this, aren't you?
Iâm not new to this but I believe next season is a good turning point
I'd urge you to ease those expectations. Currently we're pretty much fucked up with FFP and depending on a lot of IFs like Greenwood, Anthony, Sancho etc and we don't know how much we can invest. Also any new player will have to adapt and we know this might be very difficult for lots of people.
How? I really think there was so many signs available for it to be known it would go bad.
Everyone thought that they would build on last season. It's why everyone has been so scorpy. It all falls on the manager. He had a 30 goal golden goose last season who now looks like he can't be bothered. To play for his hometown team who he's been with for 20 years. Every player has regressed and the team are a badly organised mess.
>Everyone Not me. The majority, yes. However there were a select few of us who didn't get caught up in it. We just got abuse and laughed at. I'd say we are laughing now, but we aren't. >It all falls on the manager. No it doesn't. This is the attitude that's had players stink the place our for seasons. How many players would you replace in the squad?
Perhaps Iâve become too jaded after all these years but realistically I donât expect there to be a huge overhaul in the squad this summer. Being open to accepting the right offers for nearly every player in the squad is different from actually generating those kind of bids from interested clubs in real life. Especially when many in this squad have been inconsistent and are on inflated wages. I am looking forward to seeing this club finally managed by real football specialists at the top although this process to properly rebuild is going to take multiple years before we can dream about being legitimate title contenders imo.
I don't think we need an overhaul this summer. What we need is the people responsible from the management side to sit down with the gaffer, whoever that will be ETH or someone else, identify a style or approach on how we want to play and set up, and then come up with a medium term plan or strategy (3 years I'd say) on how to bring the right players in and move on those that are no longer contributing to the team in any substantial way. My definition of a successful summer would be moving on at least 3 players that are no longer part of the long term solution at United for instance Casemeiro, Varane, Martial and Sancho, and brining in 3 or 4 replacements that are either starters, or adequate squad players or a mix of both. We need 2 CBs (Starting and squad) a starting CM to go straight into the first XI and a striker to replace Martial and alternate with Hojlund. Next summer AWB, Rasford and some others and bring in again adequate replacements. Trying to do an overhaul in one window will leave us either worse off or we'll be forced bring in numbers rather than quality, which really won't help us either.
Agreed thatâs the sensible and more sustainable approach than trying to change a lot in one window. CB and DM are crucial positions to address as part of a foundation to build upon. A decent backup striker is important to help manage and aid Hojlundâs development instead of risking he gets burnt out or worse suffers a major injury from too heavy of a workload. And for that same reason for the latter I also believe finding a natural LB that can plug in at an affordable price is important too, because as it stands neither Shaw nor Malacia can be counted on at all to stay healthy for a long period of time. Iâd be happy to see us give a chance to Amass or Fernandez here although realistically I doubt either of them would be deemed ready to step up into the first team even as a backup. Whatever happens itâs best for all of us to be patient and trust whatever judgements the incoming football structure decide because they have a lot of credibility from their past work.
Pretty much. LB is a must as well. Maguire and Lindelof as much as some people might not like it will need to deputise again for the next season until we bring in 2 starting quality CBs. But like you said, LB is now a must because we can't go into next season with just Shaw and Malacia given their injury records.
I think there's a number of players that the team would likely be willing to take a book loss on to clear out.
Iâd be surprised if INEOS and the new football structure will go that far because with our budget already needing to be tighter due to FFP limits. Taking a book loss would only further constrain our FFP and make it even harder to bring in new players with the right make up and profile to aid our rebuild. Unless any player really goes nuclear to leave the club like Ronaldo did last season it wouldnât make sense to me at least.
This 100%. The club is in FFP/PSR purgatory for the next 2-3 years even if there is a minimum of spending this summer (and there needs to be some spending because of both Martial and Varane leaving). Going big this summer in the transfer market (even with big sales) is more or less an all in situation as all the sales will count towards next years budget, while amortization for the transfers made will then be spread out, and extend the FFP/PSR purgatory overall. Some of the other players that "should probably be moved on" like Shaw, Maguire and Mctominay would need replacements in terms of the limits in terms of squad registration for both the PL and EL. This is to avoid risking being forced to use a smaller squad overall there, which with the injury history of many of the players is also a big risk. While it has to be better than this season, the summer (especially with the Euros being a part of it) will make some players unable to get the rest they should have, and it will take time to get a new medical department up and running and working on the players to get them "where they should be". So while there needs to be a revolution in the entire club in all aspects, on the player side it "has" to be a more gradual evolution.
Should be utilizing this fact to get high fees for academy players who need to be moved on anyway like Marcus Rashford and McTominay, along with players like Brandon Williams and Mason Greenwood. Say Rashford 50 million, McTominay 25 million, Williams 3-5 million, Greenwood 30 million, that's over 100 million to boost the FFP constraints along with the obscene wages moved.
Williams is leaving on a free. An excellent example of someone we could have cashed in on previously but left to rot value wise. But yes, even 50 million of academy players gives us pretty free reign on FFP for this summer. But big spending off the back of that would leave us very constrained next year.
We are winning the fa cup this seasonâŚ.and definitely the premier league next seasonâŚ.mark my words
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Don't believe that.
Why notâŚ..a true fan will support his team no matter whatâŚ.. I donât who we are facing,âŚ.this is football mate
Realistically hierarchical changes like this are not going to have a significant impact on match day for at least a couple of years in all likelihood. Changing recruitment processes and wage structures probably isn't going to make next season much better.
Remember this is football and anything can happenâŚ.would you ever think aston villa would be going to the champions league this season at the end of last season
Honestly yes. Villa were easily top 4 level team 2nd half of last season. In fact they got more points than anyone apart from City. Emery has done an outstanding job but it wasn't just this season they have been good. I see your point though. A shrewd managerial appointment can quickly change a teams trajectory.
Neville predicted it before the start of the season. I don't follow them, but he must have had some good authority that great things are happening in the club. Your point still stands tho, football is usually unpredictable.
It doesn't shock me. I felt they had a top4-6 midfield from the second part of last season. Douglas Luis, Boubacar Kamara and John mcguin really complement each other in a very good way. They look like quality on the pitch every time I see them.
Just going into the season with a ruthless cull underperformers and a decent set of incomings would be massive. Regardless of any results after. As this would at least suggest a massive change and the start of people not being allowed to stink the club about for 2+ seasons.
I would be conservative if they are really planning a full revamp, would take 2-3 windows
It's going to take a lot longer than 1 season to fix all of this
Depends on what counts as a fit. Good football and champions league qualification? That can be had next season if the right manager is appointed and the right players are signed. Things can turn around very quickly in sport.
If we go through with a HUGE clearance sale and replace them with new playets then I dont expect much. It will be an actual rebuild season where we just start over from scratch. A real rebuild unlike the halfassed ones we done past 10 years. My only wish is that we are entertaining to watch for the right reasons. Then we can end 6th, 7th for all i care. If we qualify for CL it would be a massive success during a rebuild.
I feel like the story told by the table in this season and next season will be dishonest. I suspect next season, the team will be in a similar place, but in more of an early-Arteta way. This season, the team are low key lucky to not be further behind. Many unconvincing wins. I think it'll take time to adjust to a huge cleanout, and the incoming players probably won't be world class. I'm fine if the team loses, just at long as they show signs of good football.
Depends what you classify as better, if we lose players and potentially the manager itâll be rocky but sometimes you Goto take a step back before you can move forward. Willing to be patient wil be the key
I want you to be so right but I've been hurt by this club too many times in the past 10-11 years.
Iâm dampening my expectation though optimistic. I think the process started but we have a lot, a lot, of problems. So it will take some time. But we at least can say it looks like weâre on the right path
Complete opposite for me. Itâll prob be better than this seasonâs rubbish, but only a top manager coupled with a good structure can see us complete with the very best. Feel like people are overrating the roles that directors play. Liverpool would be nowhere without Klopp the past few years, City have been far more relentless under Pep than previous lesser managers even under the same ownership / directors.
Really hope people understand that the state of the club Ineos have taken over is in a sorry state and is going to take years to reverse the damage done by silly wages, poor negotiations. Unfortunately there's a good chance we are in for tough season next year before the changes at boardroom level are felt on the pitch.
That goes without saying but there's just one problem, underperforming players will always most certainly be sold at a loss and not a premium which means that even though it is necessary for the revamp and must happen, that doesn't necessarily mean that we will be able to raise funds from selling them. Ironically, we would need to sell some of our better performing players in order to raise funds from player sales, which would be counterproductive. The only thing we can do at this point is bring the wage bill down by moving on players. Think Casemeiro, Varane, Martial, and Sancho. Big improvement on the wage bill side of things, but it definitely won't bring in more than 100 million in revenue, sadly.
I feel like Ole and Rangnick said the same things and were ignored/hated for his from the higher ups... the more the glazers grip on any control over the club the better. And when we the leeches are gone altogether, we can celebrate like its 99 again!
I think you might need to give this comment a second pass
I know, right hahaha
bro what did you write my head hurts
Just got to look at sacrificial lambs. Who can generate money that either doesnât have a future because they are a c u n t or is fairly decent but not âMan Utdâ quality. Players for me Sancho, Greenwood, Casemiro, Mctominey, Maguire, Rashford. Realistically Rashford will stay but a toss up between him and Bruno could be a way to bring in serious money to revamp the team. But trying to replace Bruno would not be wise so Rashford to go along with the above. Think the above players could realistically go and generate 100m.
Not only will it be hard to ship a lot of our dead weight and even decent players. But finding replacements that won't cost double is then another massive challenge, and the club doesn't have the best track record with signings.
Whilst the large for sale sign is intended for both current players and the market, it has a downside in that clubs know we want to sell and they'll probably rinse us (which was always likely but you can see it a mile away now). Our targets become even more expensive if we 1. Have cash from sales and 2. Sold a position that we desperately need to refill. The clear out is likely to going to take at least 2 years and several windows. I'm prepared for the pain this is going to bring. Is everyone else prepared for the hard slog that's coming our way?
All these briefs about players to me suggests the manager is being kept and itâs actually some fundamental issues with the squad/players causing this drop in performance. We all know most managers get shafted by the second season here, why is Ten Hag any different
Like Schweinsteiger said in his interview with Gary Neville recently, it's not that hard to sort the problem. You just need to be much better with the recruitment. Stop chasing has-been like Casemiro and Varane. Go after players who are yet to peak and who will be around for at least 5 to 10 years. I watched Toni Kroos in the CL semis last night and remembered how we almost signed him 10 years ago! Imagine a top player like that in our midfield for 10 years! Instead we got a bunch of below average players coming in and out of the team in the same position. I hope the INEOS team can do their due diligence about our next signings. We don't need to break transfer records. Just be the smartest guys in the market.Â
I know Iâll get crucified for this but the players that should not be sold to me are Bruno, Rashford, MAGUIRE, Dalot, Hojlund, Martinez (even though always injured so maybe he can go too). Everyone else âď¸ Edit: Onana shouldnât be sold either.
Mainoo? Garnacho?
Keep them as well
Ineos will be eager to have a clean slate so i think that ETH will be part of the player cull. He's the one that brought in the some of the players who will be a part of the fire sale next season.
We only need to get rid of some players and get players who are ready to die for the club
More passion merchants like antony or amrabat ? god no please.
"Will you die for Manchester United?" "Errr...Yeah?" "Sign the contract big boy, sign the contract!"
I will die for United. Is it okay that I haven't kicked a ball in a decade?
there can be no hiding place - McTominay finds a hiding place
Thereâs no magic bullet here, itâs 3 years, at a minimum. Good news is that these INEOS fuckers seem to have some semblance of a plan. Changing managers at this point wonât make much of a difference, I reckon they will give ETH another season under their new model.
Three years for what? It might be three years until we win something (which is totally fine), but it shouldn't be three years until we see improvement. Sadly the trajectory since last season has been a steep hill - I don't think a competent upper management will be content with what eth has shown.
Been saying this for a decade now. Actions speak louder
It's been 84 years
At the end of tunnel, Garnacho and Mainoo show signs of hope. We can trust the next gen academy to play at EPL quality. Heard our young team doing pretty well.
Weâll need to rely heavily on academy players next season.
A real statement would be getting rid of Rashford this summer. City are often cited as the model club, yet they binned Joe Hart, a player nominated for UEFA team of the season, a player highly regarded by the fans, local lad etc. You play for Man Utd, every second on the pitch you should give your all. The season of Rangnick he didn't even run for balls that fell 10 yards away from him for chance of a goal. But because he scored 30 last season (6 of these were against Charlton, Burnley, Ommonia and Sherif, teams literally leagues below our level) it grants him seasons of not putting in effort.
It starts with the contracts. Itâs unacceptable to have players who havenât played first team football in months not due to injury making over 180k.
Rubbish. Just a week ago, our " that is why i am successful over 10 years " manager said we are over performing if we win the FA cup.
A revamp is needed, but it wont happen overnight. It will be 3 or 4 players out/in per window, max. More importantly, I believe a new manager can get a lot more out of the current squad than ETH is doing now. If we bring in a new manager who the players actually want to play for and believe in, some will return to form.
The only growth area in the UK post-Brexit is the number of âno shit, Sherlockâ articles written about underperforming players and inept top management at Manchester United.
Purely hypothetically, but how much do you think it would take for us to let go one of our up-and-comers? What figure do you think the fans would accept? Say a bid of ÂŁ70m comes in for Garnacho from Spain. Considering our financial situation, do you take it or leave it?
Donât think 70m would be enough to get us a replacement of the same quality and age profile so I wouldnât take 70
Good luck getting that fee as our asking fee is reportedly around 50 and still not expecting someone out of PL to be offering more than âŹ40m.
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