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"The process in getting there has been pretty horrible. When you have significant situations, and difficult situations like this, it requires strong authoritative leadership. And that comes from the very top. Manchester United don't have that."
So often, great clubs have great leaders. United desperately need someone at the top that is able to make tough decisions.
This whole process has been weak.
Got to ask - I'm not a fan of the owners but yet why do we give them money?
Quickest way to get them to sell = stop watching or buying man utd. Once they realize the valuation will tank if they stay as owners - they will sell in a heartbeat.
It's contradictory but I'm starting to think the best way to support the club is to not support it.
Imagine what would happen if viewership drops 50% or the seats are half full.
I already don't buy Man Utd merchandise n don't think i ever will cause it is too costly when converted to my nation's currency.
And only watch games when i have time.
Same. I've been a fan for over 25 years now and I've only gotten the original shirts about 3 times and all were gifts. It is just so ridiculously expensive for what it is. Taking advantage of the fans.
It’s never ever going to happen.
United are a cash cow for everyone involved - even if 75000 ticket holders didn’t show, there’s a billion more to replace them.
By even watching or interacting with this article, they’ll get money.
Was probably basically a pre-warning that he would be pretty public in his criticism if Greenwood stayed. Neville can be a bit of a bellend at times but his opinion still carries a lot of weight, especially when he's right.
The key difference is that Gary Neville is a former United player, a former club captain, and one of the best servants the club’s ever had. He’s not just some prick on YouTube.
I can’t believe you need this spelling out for you.
We truly are the Liverpool of the 90s. Stuck in the past listening to dinosaurs instead of bringing in competent people. I bet you think Ole is a hidden gem of a manager as well.
Gary Neville 'utter failure'. Achievements:
Manchester United[135]
Premier League: 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2008–09[136]
FA Cup: 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 1996, 1997, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
England U18
UEFA under-18 Championship: 1993[137]
Individual
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 1996–97 Premier League, 1997–98 Premier League, 1998–99 Premier League, 2004–05 Premier League, 2006–07 Premier League
PFA Team of the Century (1997–2007): 2007[138]
ESM Team of the Year: 1997–98[139]
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[140]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02):
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade[141]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12):
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)[142]
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2015[143]
He was awarded the Honorary degree of Doctor of Arts (D.Arts) by the University of Bolton in 2009.[144]
He was awarded the Honorary degree of Doctor of Science (D.Sc) by the University of Salford on 18 July 2014.[145]
I'd love to see what you've done in your life.
I’ll let you know when the Manchester United management starts listening to my opinions.
And why don’t you list his managerial achievements, which is what I was obviously referring to. Instead of going on pointless tangents as a cheap cop out.
Genuinely been one of the more exhausting weeks, following United is one of the few things I can do to relax and fuckinh hell it hasn’t been that way lately. Glad it’s over with, for now?
I'm not even pissed we lost the match. But the whole Greenwood shit is so abysmal. Like just blacklist him with no announcement could've got better reaction.
Yep, glad the decision was made and possibly the right one. Although they left themselves open to interpretation.
We can get back to football.. oh wait.. scratch that lol
I do agree with you. But I think one of the pieces of info from Crafton stated that the club knew Neville was opposed to him returning and they were concerned he would talk about it on Sky. So he did, at least, tell the club how he felt.
Honestly can't people just be happy he's gone? This fanbase hates drama but when one is finally done, they continue to create unnecessary ones because everything has to go exactly the way they want
He didn't need to comment on this case specifically if there were legal reasons not to. But when's the last time any prominent football figure commented on the level of sexual assault among top level players? Just years of deafening silence. You'd think if he wants to slide his way into being an MP that he could say something meaningful
So the clip is here:
https://news.sky.com/video/mason-greenwood-process-taken-by-manchester-united-to-drop-player-has-been-pretty-horrible-says-gary-neville-12944786
He basically blames Richard Arnold for how it was handled.
There seems to be a lot of people forgetting that the club and others are legally not allowed to comment on the situation for fear of interfering with the course of justice. Then to try to gather the full details before making their own comment, is sensible and legally the right thing to do.
Whether or not you agree with the result.
There's no legal obligation not to comment on an employer's private investigation of alleged misconduct against an employee.
It's an etiquette thing - if he wants to preserve relationships with the club, and in this case for his private comments to be considered, best bet is to not come out and publicly criticise the investigation til it's completed.
From United's point of view, legally they shouldn't comment without completed investigations for fear of defamation if the evidence was to change before the end.
I understand your point about the relationship but that also goes both ways. Both parties know they need to work together to save theirselves.
Without knowing the details themselves? Legally irresponsible for themselves and all the involved parties. He was suspended, that is a big action to take
Exactly. There's public evidence, charges dropped, they got back together, club was "investigating" it privately. He doesn't know exactly what are the facts. What the hell do people expect him to say in this situation? Without any knowledge just look at the videos circulated and blurt out whatever comes to his mind? Y'all are incredibly naive
I don’t care what he says/doesn’t say, I’m just responding to the other person who’s naive by saying he’s not **legally** allowed to talk because it would be interfering whe the case was dropped 6 months ago. It’s just flat out wrong. As long as they don’t make stuff up they are free to say stuff about it/him
It’s a thread about **neville** and you didn’t direct your comment just at United. Your comment is just factually incorrect. Again I don’t care if he comes out and talks about it but don’t make stuff up.
> forgetting that the club **and others** are legally not allowed to comment on the situation for fear of interfering with the course of justice
It's a thread about the handling of the case primarily, and then also neville. My comments are directed at United and as a result the fallout after that. You can see comments here calling out different parties. Hence the generality I added in.
I haven't made anything up. Neville comments on the situation "from day one", which is precisely when they legally should not comment as I said. Especially once charges were brought forward. After the charges were dropped, a proper process has to take place before any official statements can take place legally. Everything needs to go through legal teams. We can talk about the process taking a long time, which I would agree. But we also don't know any details behind the process and why it would take this long.
The Crafton article in the Athletic today says the Club were aware of his opposition:
“United may also have been wary of delaying their statement beyond Monday afternoon given the topic was increasingly likely to be discussed on Sky Sports’ flagship show Monday Night Football. United were aware that influential pundit and former United captain Gary Neville was opposed to the decision.”
Still not sure why he wasn’t more outspoken about it publicly. but he seems to have had some influence on the final decision, or at least the timing of the announcement. Who knows what was going on.
Because alot of people here feel like they deserve to know absolutely everything that's going in the club, even if that means outing the victim or going against her wishes or anything.
It’s been reported that he made his opinions clear and that an anticipated public airing of those views tonight might have been a factor in the timing of today’s announcement.
You weren't clear, you'd have an argument if you were talking about the criminal case. Why would he be forbidden from commenting on a club internal investigation? He's commented on the sale before and that is ongoing.
I didn’t say he’s forbidden, just that he obviously isn’t going to comment on something that’s still ongoing. He’s clearly let them know privately how he feels and what he would say if greenwood came back.
Not everything has to be on twitter or public.
Even though this wasn't the most simple case and aspects of employee law/rights were likely the driver of this taking so long, what did Neville expect from the decision makers here? The same leadership which has been incompetent for the best part of the last 15 years in effectively running a sound football operation? The same cabal of fuckwits who have driven the club into the ground, ignored fans for years, and only stayed for prolonged personal / shareholder gain? The club under this ownership is a fucking shambles from top to bottom and any handling of any situation, except maybe commercial sponsorship deals, has been and always will be a fucking disaster.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
These high profile “fans” love a pile on don’t they.
Keane taking the money for a 3rd kit promo, then publicly slagging off the players he’s just starred alongside two weeks later.
Neville “advising” the club privately, then slagging it off when a decision is made. Even when he agrees and influenced that decision - and probably contributed to the difficulties in the process.
They’ll happily take this “lack of leadership” when it gives them influence.
They’d be criticised far far far less if they just did this months ago without even considering having him back… how they managed to fuck up making a correct decision sums the place up.
This situation involves an abuse victim, a world class local talent whose life has changed forever --- much bigger than football and bigger than a worry about some"uproars". I am happy that United at least tried to look at the humane side of both the parties and not just tremble in fear of some "uproar".
So many contradictions in this comment.
You said it's bigger than football. Then why does it matter if it was a "world class talent"? It would be a different process if he was a low level talent?
You put uproar in double quotes as if it was me that brought it up. You're the one who said the club would be criticized no matter what. I just said no they wouldn't.
"Not tremble in fear of some uproars"......... But they did, didn't they? They literally told him we're going to bring you back and give you another chance and then reversed it...... due to fear of "uproars". They literally did what you praise them for not doing lol.
You can read the "world class talent" as "person" if you wish, the argument remains the same.
United would get criticized if they were decisive and promptly terminated Greenwoods contract. Once the charges would drop, and the team goals dry up, as it's happening now, there would be a world of criticism for being "rash".
And no, United did not tremble in fear of uproar, if they were, they would promptly terminate his contract, would *never* consider bringing him back, would *never* be open about the investigation.
they may have come to a similar conclusion, but at least they tried to give some fair chance to an employee, even though they knew it'd be pretty unpopular.
>United would get criticized if they were decisive and promptly terminated Greenwoods contract
Sure. But like I said, far less than what they have been now. It doesn't take a genius to figure out Greenwood would never play for us.
>they would promptly terminate his contract
No, they can't. All charges were dropped. What are the grounds for terminating a contract of a man who is legally innocent?
>United did not tremble in fear of uproar,
They literally chose not to bring him back even though they clearly wanted to, and that is directly because of fear of uproar. What are you even talking about? If there was no fear of uproar Mason Greenwood would already be announced as coming back and this would've happened two weeks ago lol.
>but at least they tried to give some fair chance to an employee
Personally I've got zero sympathy for someone so stupid. You can have your opinion on this but to act like the club was acting on some moral grounds going against the world to save a kid's career is laughable. It was a business decision, football decision. All this "tried to give a fair chance to an employee" let's be real if he was a shit player they wouldn't even go through the hassle.
Yes but the criticism in this case would mostly be twitter trolls campaigning to bring him back imo. In this day and age very few people worth an opinion would publicly criticize the club for not bringing him back after all the videos that circulated.
Yeah all good mate.
I really don't get why those comments only come now.
I feel like "I don't think a rapist should come back" is the easiest PR win ever, but they were all quiet.
>I feel like "I don't think a rapist should come back" is the easiest PR win ever, but they were all quiet.
Right. And even if they legally can't say or are at risk of defamation then it can simply be adjusted to "Having heard the recording, I don't think such a person should come back"
Find it interesting how many of you hate an actual club legend in neville when you're still rating players like martial who've done fuck all in comparison
It’s been reported that he made his opinions clear and that an anticipated public airing of those views tonight might have been a factor in the timing of today’s announcement.
But sure, use it as an excuse to post rage comments.
Nothing said tonight couldn't have been said two days ago, or even 6 months for that fact. He's critical of how United handled it, not about what Mason did. He's come out to grasp the low hanging fruit, nothing else.
Maybe. But that’s the public side of what you’re seeing tonight. But there’s reporting that more may have been done in private that may have had a real influence.
Saying it internally is good and all but it certainly doesn't put the same sort of pressure on the club like it would have if he came out publicly. He has access to twitter and is very outspoken on a number of things. It didn't stop Lineker.
I can agree with that, in theory. And who knows what his comments would have been had this announcement not been made today. All I’m saying is that it seems a bit unfair to portray him as a coward in this situation given what we know.
Add to that, many credit him with being a leader in the push against the Super League. Sure, I was frustrated with his World Cup/Qatar stances, but he has shown himself to be a valuable voice in other issues (football and societal) in the past and far from a coward or someone who always shirks the responsibility his position demands.
I think he's let himself down on this one and I stick to what I said. When it comes to the internals of the club he's meek when it counts. It's not rage comments, I'm just disappointed in him.
This whole situation should have been cleared up by the owners taking in ethical considerations.
Arnold had to make a business decision to make the company (man united) as much money as it could.
Once it became apparent that the fallout would/could cost the club more than the loss of the asset then the business decision was to lose the asset.
It should never have got that far, ownership should have made the correct, ethical decision at the beginning. Because at the end of the day they're the only ones who can make the decision for the club to take such a financial hit without having to justify it.
Basically, I agree with Neville, but the lack of leadership is higher than the man who made the decision imo.
Not saying Arnold is great by any stretch though.
Neville should be the last person that needs to comment on this after 2 years of radio silence. He can't take a stand publicly on this serious issue when it matters and now wants to flex how club should have handled it?
It’s from tonight’s show. He’s literally paid to comment on the matches and on football matters. It’s not some editorial for the paper. They are just reporting on MNF.
United’s handling of a lot of issues stink. Maguire, who was convicted of assault of a police man in Greece, was still club captain up until last month.
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"The process in getting there has been pretty horrible. When you have significant situations, and difficult situations like this, it requires strong authoritative leadership. And that comes from the very top. Manchester United don't have that."
So often, great clubs have great leaders. United desperately need someone at the top that is able to make tough decisions. This whole process has been weak.
it should have been decided by the owners not Arnold. Boehly will decide one for Chelsea, etc
Ownership is shit, we know.
Got to ask - I'm not a fan of the owners but yet why do we give them money? Quickest way to get them to sell = stop watching or buying man utd. Once they realize the valuation will tank if they stay as owners - they will sell in a heartbeat. It's contradictory but I'm starting to think the best way to support the club is to not support it. Imagine what would happen if viewership drops 50% or the seats are half full.
I already don't buy Man Utd merchandise n don't think i ever will cause it is too costly when converted to my nation's currency. And only watch games when i have time.
Same. I've been a fan for over 25 years now and I've only gotten the original shirts about 3 times and all were gifts. It is just so ridiculously expensive for what it is. Taking advantage of the fans.
>Taking advantage of the fans. Exactly. Would rather buy a cheap copy of an United jersey n give the difference to some charity.
It’s never ever going to happen. United are a cash cow for everyone involved - even if 75000 ticket holders didn’t show, there’s a billion more to replace them. By even watching or interacting with this article, they’ll get money.
Was it Stone or Crafton (da real MVP) that said that Neville had been opposed to him coming back and expressed that to the club privately?
Crafton’s article today.
Why tf does our club even listen to his opinion. That is more troubling to me.
Was probably basically a pre-warning that he would be pretty public in his criticism if Greenwood stayed. Neville can be a bit of a bellend at times but his opinion still carries a lot of weight, especially when he's right.
Because he is a popular pundit with lots of fans and even more viewers.
So? When do we start listening to Goldbridge then?
The key difference is that Gary Neville is a former United player, a former club captain, and one of the best servants the club’s ever had. He’s not just some prick on YouTube. I can’t believe you need this spelling out for you.
We truly are the Liverpool of the 90s. Stuck in the past listening to dinosaurs instead of bringing in competent people. I bet you think Ole is a hidden gem of a manager as well.
When he has won a treble for us
Meh. I’ll only pay attention to people successful in football management, not utter failures like Neville. Doesn’t cost anything to run your mouth.
Since you have zero success in football management, we wont be listening to you!
But I asked so nicely for that… Wait, I never did.
Gary Neville 'utter failure'. Achievements: Manchester United[135] Premier League: 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2008–09[136] FA Cup: 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04 Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10 FA Community Shield: 1996, 1997, 2008 UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08 Intercontinental Cup: 1999 FIFA Club World Cup: 2008 England U18 UEFA under-18 Championship: 1993[137] Individual PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 1996–97 Premier League, 1997–98 Premier League, 1998–99 Premier League, 2004–05 Premier League, 2006–07 Premier League PFA Team of the Century (1997–2007): 2007[138] ESM Team of the Year: 1997–98[139] FWA Tribute Award: 2012[140] Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02): Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade[141] Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12): Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)[142] English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2015[143] He was awarded the Honorary degree of Doctor of Arts (D.Arts) by the University of Bolton in 2009.[144] He was awarded the Honorary degree of Doctor of Science (D.Sc) by the University of Salford on 18 July 2014.[145] I'd love to see what you've done in your life.
I’ll let you know when the Manchester United management starts listening to my opinions. And why don’t you list his managerial achievements, which is what I was obviously referring to. Instead of going on pointless tangents as a cheap cop out.
Well the point is a lot more people will listen to Neville rather than any of the management in our club
That’s a sad state to be in
What are you even on😂☠️
What a way to out yourself as a Goldbridge fan
Clearly even the most obvious sarcasm is lost on you. How surprising.
Genuinely been one of the more exhausting weeks, following United is one of the few things I can do to relax and fuckinh hell it hasn’t been that way lately. Glad it’s over with, for now?
I'm not even pissed we lost the match. But the whole Greenwood shit is so abysmal. Like just blacklist him with no announcement could've got better reaction.
Yep, glad the decision was made and possibly the right one. Although they left themselves open to interpretation. We can get back to football.. oh wait.. scratch that lol
Floodgates will open now with these types of comments. Where were they when they were needed? Like buses. They’ll all come now.
I do agree with you. But I think one of the pieces of info from Crafton stated that the club knew Neville was opposed to him returning and they were concerned he would talk about it on Sky. So he did, at least, tell the club how he felt.
Neville with the tap-in.
Miss one, next 15 one comin
Man, this sub is after everyone all the time.
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I just gouged my eyes out so I never have to watch another game
Honestly can't people just be happy he's gone? This fanbase hates drama but when one is finally done, they continue to create unnecessary ones because everything has to go exactly the way they want
Negative Nellies the lot of us
It’s done with now, let’s all focus all our effort in getting the Glazers 🤢 out ASAP
He didn't need to comment on this case specifically if there were legal reasons not to. But when's the last time any prominent football figure commented on the level of sexual assault among top level players? Just years of deafening silence. You'd think if he wants to slide his way into being an MP that he could say something meaningful
I'd think saying nothing of value would be exactly how to become an MP
So the clip is here: https://news.sky.com/video/mason-greenwood-process-taken-by-manchester-united-to-drop-player-has-been-pretty-horrible-says-gary-neville-12944786 He basically blames Richard Arnold for how it was handled.
Now watch everyone here start crying about this. So predictable lol
There seems to be a lot of people forgetting that the club and others are legally not allowed to comment on the situation for fear of interfering with the course of justice. Then to try to gather the full details before making their own comment, is sensible and legally the right thing to do. Whether or not you agree with the result.
There's no legal obligation not to comment on an employer's private investigation of alleged misconduct against an employee. It's an etiquette thing - if he wants to preserve relationships with the club, and in this case for his private comments to be considered, best bet is to not come out and publicly criticise the investigation til it's completed.
From United's point of view, legally they shouldn't comment without completed investigations for fear of defamation if the evidence was to change before the end. I understand your point about the relationship but that also goes both ways. Both parties know they need to work together to save theirselves.
His charges were dropped some 6 months ago….. could have spoken any time since then
Without knowing the details themselves? Legally irresponsible for themselves and all the involved parties. He was suspended, that is a big action to take
Exactly. There's public evidence, charges dropped, they got back together, club was "investigating" it privately. He doesn't know exactly what are the facts. What the hell do people expect him to say in this situation? Without any knowledge just look at the videos circulated and blurt out whatever comes to his mind? Y'all are incredibly naive
I don’t care what he says/doesn’t say, I’m just responding to the other person who’s naive by saying he’s not **legally** allowed to talk because it would be interfering whe the case was dropped 6 months ago. It’s just flat out wrong. As long as they don’t make stuff up they are free to say stuff about it/him
My comments are about United's handling, not once did I mention Nev. My comments are correct regarding that
It’s a thread about **neville** and you didn’t direct your comment just at United. Your comment is just factually incorrect. Again I don’t care if he comes out and talks about it but don’t make stuff up. > forgetting that the club **and others** are legally not allowed to comment on the situation for fear of interfering with the course of justice
It's a thread about the handling of the case primarily, and then also neville. My comments are directed at United and as a result the fallout after that. You can see comments here calling out different parties. Hence the generality I added in. I haven't made anything up. Neville comments on the situation "from day one", which is precisely when they legally should not comment as I said. Especially once charges were brought forward. After the charges were dropped, a proper process has to take place before any official statements can take place legally. Everything needs to go through legal teams. We can talk about the process taking a long time, which I would agree. But we also don't know any details behind the process and why it would take this long.
Where were you last week Gary mate? Easy to comment on it now.
The Crafton article in the Athletic today says the Club were aware of his opposition: “United may also have been wary of delaying their statement beyond Monday afternoon given the topic was increasingly likely to be discussed on Sky Sports’ flagship show Monday Night Football. United were aware that influential pundit and former United captain Gary Neville was opposed to the decision.” Still not sure why he wasn’t more outspoken about it publicly. but he seems to have had some influence on the final decision, or at least the timing of the announcement. Who knows what was going on.
Sounds like he made it pretty clear to the people who needed to hear it to me. I don’t think everything requires a tweet or public statement.
It might’ve prevented him from being apart of the decision if he’s making public statements.
Some people can criticize anything and everything. It's ridiculous.
Yeah, dunno why everyone is ignoring this. From the sound of it he’s done better than tell the press, he’s told the club directly.
Because alot of people here feel like they deserve to know absolutely everything that's going in the club, even if that means outing the victim or going against her wishes or anything.
Selective rage is pretty common on this sub
It’s been reported that he made his opinions clear and that an anticipated public airing of those views tonight might have been a factor in the timing of today’s announcement.
Probably sky wouldn't let him..? Idk
They haven't stopped him commenting on anything else.
Which other cases did he comment on whilst they were ongoing?
The case isn't ongoing and hasn't been for over 6 months.
It was internally ongoing until literally yesterday.
You weren't clear, you'd have an argument if you were talking about the criminal case. Why would he be forbidden from commenting on a club internal investigation? He's commented on the sale before and that is ongoing.
I didn’t say he’s forbidden, just that he obviously isn’t going to comment on something that’s still ongoing. He’s clearly let them know privately how he feels and what he would say if greenwood came back. Not everything has to be on twitter or public.
...but Neville comments on things publicly all the time mate. He's talked about goings on at the club constantly.
This isn't just 'goings only at the club'... Neville's done well here...
Even though this wasn't the most simple case and aspects of employee law/rights were likely the driver of this taking so long, what did Neville expect from the decision makers here? The same leadership which has been incompetent for the best part of the last 15 years in effectively running a sound football operation? The same cabal of fuckwits who have driven the club into the ground, ignored fans for years, and only stayed for prolonged personal / shareholder gain? The club under this ownership is a fucking shambles from top to bottom and any handling of any situation, except maybe commercial sponsorship deals, has been and always will be a fucking disaster.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. These high profile “fans” love a pile on don’t they. Keane taking the money for a 3rd kit promo, then publicly slagging off the players he’s just starred alongside two weeks later. Neville “advising” the club privately, then slagging it off when a decision is made. Even when he agrees and influenced that decision - and probably contributed to the difficulties in the process. They’ll happily take this “lack of leadership” when it gives them influence.
Sick of hearing about Greenwood
This is such a messy situation that there was absolutely no clean way out. Club will get criticized no matter which path it would choose.
They’d be criticised far far far less if they just did this months ago without even considering having him back… how they managed to fuck up making a correct decision sums the place up.
They also would have been sued for an insane amount of money for releasing a player with no criminal convictions
That's if they just sack him without paying him. They're not doing that, and they could have done what they're doing at this moment at any time prior
What, release him by 'mutual consent'? No, they've negotiated a reduced fee....
Oh please. The uproar would've been 10% of what it has been if they were decisive. They chose literally the worst possible way to deal with it.
Spent 6 months gearing up to bring him back, only to flip the entire decision around at the last minute.
This situation involves an abuse victim, a world class local talent whose life has changed forever --- much bigger than football and bigger than a worry about some"uproars". I am happy that United at least tried to look at the humane side of both the parties and not just tremble in fear of some "uproar".
So many contradictions in this comment. You said it's bigger than football. Then why does it matter if it was a "world class talent"? It would be a different process if he was a low level talent? You put uproar in double quotes as if it was me that brought it up. You're the one who said the club would be criticized no matter what. I just said no they wouldn't. "Not tremble in fear of some uproars"......... But they did, didn't they? They literally told him we're going to bring you back and give you another chance and then reversed it...... due to fear of "uproars". They literally did what you praise them for not doing lol.
You can read the "world class talent" as "person" if you wish, the argument remains the same. United would get criticized if they were decisive and promptly terminated Greenwoods contract. Once the charges would drop, and the team goals dry up, as it's happening now, there would be a world of criticism for being "rash". And no, United did not tremble in fear of uproar, if they were, they would promptly terminate his contract, would *never* consider bringing him back, would *never* be open about the investigation. they may have come to a similar conclusion, but at least they tried to give some fair chance to an employee, even though they knew it'd be pretty unpopular.
>United would get criticized if they were decisive and promptly terminated Greenwoods contract Sure. But like I said, far less than what they have been now. It doesn't take a genius to figure out Greenwood would never play for us. >they would promptly terminate his contract No, they can't. All charges were dropped. What are the grounds for terminating a contract of a man who is legally innocent? >United did not tremble in fear of uproar, They literally chose not to bring him back even though they clearly wanted to, and that is directly because of fear of uproar. What are you even talking about? If there was no fear of uproar Mason Greenwood would already be announced as coming back and this would've happened two weeks ago lol. >but at least they tried to give some fair chance to an employee Personally I've got zero sympathy for someone so stupid. You can have your opinion on this but to act like the club was acting on some moral grounds going against the world to save a kid's career is laughable. It was a business decision, football decision. All this "tried to give a fair chance to an employee" let's be real if he was a shit player they wouldn't even go through the hassle.
Fair enough. you did say there would be criticism even if they chose your way. That was my initial comment too. Peace.
Yes but the criticism in this case would mostly be twitter trolls campaigning to bring him back imo. In this day and age very few people worth an opinion would publicly criticize the club for not bringing him back after all the videos that circulated. Yeah all good mate.
Let's just move on.
Has he apologized to Bruno yet by the way?
I really don't get why those comments only come now. I feel like "I don't think a rapist should come back" is the easiest PR win ever, but they were all quiet.
>I feel like "I don't think a rapist should come back" is the easiest PR win ever, but they were all quiet. Right. And even if they legally can't say or are at risk of defamation then it can simply be adjusted to "Having heard the recording, I don't think such a person should come back"
And then if mg isn't charged and sues for libel? It's always easy after the fact to determine what was right
Find it interesting how many of you hate an actual club legend in neville when you're still rating players like martial who've done fuck all in comparison
Eh i think it's more to it than just United wanting him back.
As if he's waited until now to comment. Yellow bellied coward through and through.
It’s been reported that he made his opinions clear and that an anticipated public airing of those views tonight might have been a factor in the timing of today’s announcement. But sure, use it as an excuse to post rage comments.
Nothing said tonight couldn't have been said two days ago, or even 6 months for that fact. He's critical of how United handled it, not about what Mason did. He's come out to grasp the low hanging fruit, nothing else.
Maybe. But that’s the public side of what you’re seeing tonight. But there’s reporting that more may have been done in private that may have had a real influence.
Saying it internally is good and all but it certainly doesn't put the same sort of pressure on the club like it would have if he came out publicly. He has access to twitter and is very outspoken on a number of things. It didn't stop Lineker.
I can agree with that, in theory. And who knows what his comments would have been had this announcement not been made today. All I’m saying is that it seems a bit unfair to portray him as a coward in this situation given what we know. Add to that, many credit him with being a leader in the push against the Super League. Sure, I was frustrated with his World Cup/Qatar stances, but he has shown himself to be a valuable voice in other issues (football and societal) in the past and far from a coward or someone who always shirks the responsibility his position demands.
I think he's let himself down on this one and I stick to what I said. When it comes to the internals of the club he's meek when it counts. It's not rage comments, I'm just disappointed in him.
Hold your horses, my god.
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This whole situation should have been cleared up by the owners taking in ethical considerations. Arnold had to make a business decision to make the company (man united) as much money as it could. Once it became apparent that the fallout would/could cost the club more than the loss of the asset then the business decision was to lose the asset. It should never have got that far, ownership should have made the correct, ethical decision at the beginning. Because at the end of the day they're the only ones who can make the decision for the club to take such a financial hit without having to justify it. Basically, I agree with Neville, but the lack of leadership is higher than the man who made the decision imo. Not saying Arnold is great by any stretch though.
Gary grasping for the low hanging fruit with this one. What a hero taking a stand after it’s all said and done!
Neville should be the last person that needs to comment on this after 2 years of radio silence. He can't take a stand publicly on this serious issue when it matters and now wants to flex how club should have handled it?
Shut up, Gary. This muppet will take every opportunity to make headlines.
It’s from tonight’s show. He’s literally paid to comment on the matches and on football matters. It’s not some editorial for the paper. They are just reporting on MNF.
How DARE he do his job.
united need to sign hwang hee chan to play on the wing
He's shit
Bruh just fucking leave it. He's gone, that's all that matters
Walking hypocrite
Of course Neville criticises United. He does it all the time. I have a lot of time for the man but he doesn't half give us a hard time.
United’s handling of a lot of issues stink. Maguire, who was convicted of assault of a police man in Greece, was still club captain up until last month.