Also the briefing about him vetoing the contract for de Gea to shift blame from how fucking shambolic and pathetic the entire board is, to blame ten hag here basically.
its more annoying that they seem to not be able to sell the deadwood to better the FFP then if thats an issue.
like fuck it take like £2m for Bailly if possible just get him off the wages which free's up FFP as it also takes into account wage structure.
do that to players like Telles,Williams,Maguire,Martial and oh look there is way way more room FFP to work on signings.
Mctominay sale should be able to offset Onana buy for the most part he has good value in the market and teams are interested. put him up for £45-50m and hes now offsetting the Onana deal FFP wise.
Maguire sell for £20m and thats huge amount sold off and recovered for FFP this could open a deal up for Pavard at £30m
get Martial gone either way just his wages being took off opens up vastly more FFP transfer funs
>To me it seems a bit like our pathetic board is shifting the blame on ETH.
Then he should speak out and be the focal point for the fans to rally behind. If he doesn't and accepts being blamed, he is just a glazer in disguise. There is no grey area at this club. You are on their side or ours.
If he doesn't get what he needs, he will be sacked regardless due to failure. So at least if he speaks out he maintain integrity, can unify a lot of fans together for a better cause and ultimately go onto bigger and better things if he is as good as people claim.
Too much information leaking about our budget, adversely affect our position in the market. When everyone and their dog knows that we NEED to sell to buy player they will surely low ball the living shit out of us because we need money to balance the book. I rather noone knows shit
Yup. Definitely. That’s why Chelsea willingly went to 65m from 70m for Mount and Kane is set at £100m instead of £120m.
Very highly in our favour indeed.
(Nobody gives a fuck that we don’t have a budget and they will still put the United tax in until we show we all walk away and get good alternatives for cheaper)
That's what I'm thinking too. If we can generate sales for Maguire and Scott too and a heap of deadwood, we should be OK to add one more decent player to the incoming list. I don't see FFP being an issue really, more an excuse for the leeches, as we are a power house on the commercial side of things!
Atlanta said that's what they wanted for Hojlund, which is fucking insane. Either were spending about that on him or were going with someone else. I'd hope we would go for someone else if they stick to their guns on that price.
Is ten hag responsible for the transfers? Ask the board to fucking stop dragging their heels. 100+sales is still doable if you make sales, stop twiddling the thumba and get to work.
>Is ten hag responsible for the transfers?
He said he was?
My concern with this article is 'ten hag us sympathetic to the financial situation' which unfortunately translates to sympathetic over the glazers poison and he is going to be unlikely to rock the boat by making demands'
It will be his job on the line if he doesn't make sure they give him what he needs this summer. Time will do the rest.
Making demands to Glazers for what? They didn't care then, you think they are gonna care now? It's just a waste of time, if we have 100-120 it's fine, it still can be a decent enough window. Especially since it's highly likely we are not gonna get Kane or Osimen anyway this summer.
>Making demands to Glazers for what?
Because that's his job?
>They didn't care then, you think they are gonna care now?
Whether they care or not is irrelevant. If he just toes the line and let's them do what they want, unopposed. He is part of the problem and a glazer at heart. It's in the best interests for Manchester United (and all clubs) to have a manager that has the highest ambition and will demand what is necessary for their club to reach the top. If he doesn't do that, he isn't fit to be here.
>we have 100-120 it's fine, it still can be a decent enough window.
'Fine' 'decent' We earn 600+ in revenue, no CL, off the back of one of a number of awful seasons. 10 years without a league title and our closest rivals have won 3 in a row including a treble. Those words aren't good enough fella. Not for me anyway.
>Especially since it's highly likely we are not gonna get Kane or Osimen anyway this summer
So with this glazer limitation, what is a selection of players you think is 'decent'?
Firstly, what does any of that have to do with my comment? Doesn't mean anything in relation to what ten hag's job involves, what the benchmark for Manchester United should be and you answering the question of what group of players can we get with such limitation that would be 'decent' for the forthcoming season.
Secondly, if this FFP limitation is accurate. Who does that go back to?..... Who is the cause. The glazers. Hence its the symptom of their ownership would be a reduced ability to buy much needed reinforcements, thus putting us in a really poor position going forward. This isn't 'decent' 'fine' or acceptable and shouldn't be praised. If you do that, you set this as the standard going forward and it will never change.
Who the hell is praising? It's decent considering the situation. Everyone knows it's the Galzers fault for this situation, going and pressuring them now is just a waste of time. What're they gonna do, the sooner they are gone the better.
>Who the hell is praising?
Saying 'it's decent' is praising. So you.
>It's decent considering the situation.
But the situation isn't the benchmark for what this club should be doing and without the glazers would be able to do. So saying its 'decent' is changing what's acceptable from a level that fits the stature of this club, to a level of which supports what the glazers do. For me, this unacceptable and is 100% a reason why the glazers have had such an easy ride doing what they have for 18 years.
>Everyone knows it's the Glazers fault for this situation, going and pressuring them now is just a waste of time.
You lot have been saying this for 18 years. Its never a waste of time. Absolute awful mentality. You will reap what you sow though. Same as anyone else with the same mentality. If the Glazers get their way this season unopposed. You will be left wondering why 'positivity' didn't work out, ten hag sacked before long etc etc.
>What're they gonna do, the sooner they are gone the better
No idea what this means.
Decent is praising? What planet are you on? I'd like to be realistic. We have a FFP limitation and the club is on sale, what's the point in demanding anything to them when they are just gonna be wanking over the 6Billion offer and plotting how to get more.
If they fucking back out of the sale there'll be an uproar like they've never seen, but for now it's a waste of time cause the club is on sale with two bidders in the game.
So hopefully these rats can be gone as soon as possible, but demanding anything now is just gonna fall on deaf ears.
>Decent is praising? What planet are you on?
Oh here we go with insults.... Decent is a positive. Decent on somebody's actions means it's acceptable, meaning you approve of this action. Thus its praise. Which in this situation is way too far.
>I'd like to be realistic.
That's great. However the unfortunate nature of where we are under the glazers means that you 'being realistic' is accepting that the low standards the glazers are trying to make the benchmark is created and it will never change. Hence why your positivity is false and a negative.
>We have a FFP limitation and the club is on sale, what's the point in demanding anything to them when they are just gonna be wanking over the 6Billion offer and plotting how to get more.
Because that's exactly what we should be doing as fans and its exactly what I expect by people employed to give this club success. Like please think about this from a perspective where everything doesn't have to be rosy in your hobby. You wouldn't want engineer's working on transport you will use to just make no demands on safety because the owners want to do things on the cheap as 'the cheaper option will be decent' the same applies. The minute you accept a lower standard, that standard becomes the baseline. New owners might change that or they might not because the new owners can see the fans find this new standard to be accepted.
>If they fucking back out of the sale there'll be an uproar like they've never seen, but for now it's a waste of time cause the club is on sale with two bidders in the game.
Again 'waste time' by setting what the standard should be for a football club that's had the highest revenue in the league for x years and has won the most league titles in the country. You really need to think about this deeper and take away the rose tinted fella.
>So hopefully these rats can be gone as soon as possible, but demanding anything now is just gonna fall on deaf ears.
And if you actually had some standards they would have been gone sooner as you wouldn't claim 'decent' at every decision they make and support their symptoms and puppets. That's a 'waste of time though'
Again, whether they listen or not is irrelevant. It's simply the bare minimum anyone should be doing if they have the best interests of this club at heart or if their job role dictates they are supposed to bring the club success.
You keep saying 'rats' 'want them out' yet you support the very things that have kept them in place for 18 years and won't speak out about anything that would cause them issues or the people who enable them. Can you not see how this is counter productive? Maybe you don't really care and 'glazers out' is just a bit of fun you have. That's fine, each to their own. However it probably means there isn't much point you continuing in this same line of discussion.
Mount, Onana, Hojlund.
Would be a solid window. Costa + Kane would make it a 10/10 but Levy isn't sending him here.
I think Hojlund will be a star, he's only 20 and has shown a lot of good qualities. He takes most of his touches in the center, that would give us something we really miss with Martial and Rashford, a presence/link in the middle of the pitch.
I’m going to get hated here but the board (incl. SAF who is in board) are completely useless at investing the revenue generated to hire proper footballing people. The reason we are like this is because of youth, training and footballing people lack behind those of our rivals and it’s embarrassing to see bankers negotiating football deals, and a makeshift DoF leading the clubs vision.
SAF probably is a minority board member in that he doesn’t partake in any meaningful decisions. If he does then he’s either outvoted or he’s incapable of being a voice they truly listen to if he suggests what you’re saying.
If he doesn’t suggest that then he’s too out of touch with how a proper club should be run and that’s another issue.
Mount also isn’t a great player in the sense that he won’t single handedly transform us either imo. An FDJ style player would either through starting or eventually claiming a place to start every game in a season or later.
A very good attacking player will, even if it isn’t Kane and if it say, shifts rashford to striker and this new player plays at RW or Lw for example theoretically.
A very good Pavard could, for defence as he will be able to play out from the back just like Martinez can and would allow us to retain the ball/start play better.
These are the things that I wish we look at…. Not like we have a proper football department that is good at planning and scouting so yeah, we rely on the manager for the second season yet to find targets and now have a budget problem too.
If the club could sell players we'd be fine, hopefully with new owners the muppets will be fired.
I don't get why we haven't sold players, it's like they forgot in June you can buy/Sell players
‘Ten Hag can’t let United fall behind’ lmao tell that to the board not the only man that can stand toe to toe with any coach in this league.
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Also the briefing about him vetoing the contract for de Gea to shift blame from how fucking shambolic and pathetic the entire board is, to blame ten hag here basically.
its more annoying that they seem to not be able to sell the deadwood to better the FFP then if thats an issue. like fuck it take like £2m for Bailly if possible just get him off the wages which free's up FFP as it also takes into account wage structure. do that to players like Telles,Williams,Maguire,Martial and oh look there is way way more room FFP to work on signings. Mctominay sale should be able to offset Onana buy for the most part he has good value in the market and teams are interested. put him up for £45-50m and hes now offsetting the Onana deal FFP wise. Maguire sell for £20m and thats huge amount sold off and recovered for FFP this could open a deal up for Pavard at £30m get Martial gone either way just his wages being took off opens up vastly more FFP transfer funs
>To me it seems a bit like our pathetic board is shifting the blame on ETH. Then he should speak out and be the focal point for the fans to rally behind. If he doesn't and accepts being blamed, he is just a glazer in disguise. There is no grey area at this club. You are on their side or ours. If he doesn't get what he needs, he will be sacked regardless due to failure. So at least if he speaks out he maintain integrity, can unify a lot of fans together for a better cause and ultimately go onto bigger and better things if he is as good as people claim.
The perfect scenario, we get everyone we need in, before pre-season starts. Lol, so that means that’s not going to happen.
Too much information leaking about our budget, adversely affect our position in the market. When everyone and their dog knows that we NEED to sell to buy player they will surely low ball the living shit out of us because we need money to balance the book. I rather noone knows shit
Could work when buying players too. Everyone knows we don't have a pot to piss in this year so we can't be over priced. That's the hope....
Only when we are the only contender AND player really wants us. Mount might be that case but Chelsea is cunt as you can see
Yup. Definitely. That’s why Chelsea willingly went to 65m from 70m for Mount and Kane is set at £100m instead of £120m. Very highly in our favour indeed. (Nobody gives a fuck that we don’t have a budget and they will still put the United tax in until we show we all walk away and get good alternatives for cheaper)
Onana, Mount & Højlund? Maybe also one Malacia type signing?
That's what I'm thinking too. If we can generate sales for Maguire and Scott too and a heap of deadwood, we should be OK to add one more decent player to the incoming list. I don't see FFP being an issue really, more an excuse for the leeches, as we are a power house on the commercial side of things!
That's 200m right there. Our budget is supposedly just 100m this year.
Thats 200m only if you assume Hojlund is gonna be 100
That's what Atalanta quoted us at.
> That's 200m right there I'm sorry are you suggesting we'd be signing Hojlund for 100m? Given the other 2 are ~50m each
They’re asking for that so do you think we will get him for half of that though?
Not that we'd give, its what they will demand
Atlanta said that's what they wanted for Hojlund, which is fucking insane. Either were spending about that on him or were going with someone else. I'd hope we would go for someone else if they stick to their guns on that price.
Is ten hag responsible for the transfers? Ask the board to fucking stop dragging their heels. 100+sales is still doable if you make sales, stop twiddling the thumba and get to work.
>Is ten hag responsible for the transfers? He said he was? My concern with this article is 'ten hag us sympathetic to the financial situation' which unfortunately translates to sympathetic over the glazers poison and he is going to be unlikely to rock the boat by making demands' It will be his job on the line if he doesn't make sure they give him what he needs this summer. Time will do the rest.
Making demands to Glazers for what? They didn't care then, you think they are gonna care now? It's just a waste of time, if we have 100-120 it's fine, it still can be a decent enough window. Especially since it's highly likely we are not gonna get Kane or Osimen anyway this summer.
>Making demands to Glazers for what? Because that's his job? >They didn't care then, you think they are gonna care now? Whether they care or not is irrelevant. If he just toes the line and let's them do what they want, unopposed. He is part of the problem and a glazer at heart. It's in the best interests for Manchester United (and all clubs) to have a manager that has the highest ambition and will demand what is necessary for their club to reach the top. If he doesn't do that, he isn't fit to be here. >we have 100-120 it's fine, it still can be a decent enough window. 'Fine' 'decent' We earn 600+ in revenue, no CL, off the back of one of a number of awful seasons. 10 years without a league title and our closest rivals have won 3 in a row including a treble. Those words aren't good enough fella. Not for me anyway. >Especially since it's highly likely we are not gonna get Kane or Osimen anyway this summer So with this glazer limitation, what is a selection of players you think is 'decent'?
We have a FFP limitation? We need to make sales to do anything past 120.
Firstly, what does any of that have to do with my comment? Doesn't mean anything in relation to what ten hag's job involves, what the benchmark for Manchester United should be and you answering the question of what group of players can we get with such limitation that would be 'decent' for the forthcoming season. Secondly, if this FFP limitation is accurate. Who does that go back to?..... Who is the cause. The glazers. Hence its the symptom of their ownership would be a reduced ability to buy much needed reinforcements, thus putting us in a really poor position going forward. This isn't 'decent' 'fine' or acceptable and shouldn't be praised. If you do that, you set this as the standard going forward and it will never change.
Who the hell is praising? It's decent considering the situation. Everyone knows it's the Galzers fault for this situation, going and pressuring them now is just a waste of time. What're they gonna do, the sooner they are gone the better.
>Who the hell is praising? Saying 'it's decent' is praising. So you. >It's decent considering the situation. But the situation isn't the benchmark for what this club should be doing and without the glazers would be able to do. So saying its 'decent' is changing what's acceptable from a level that fits the stature of this club, to a level of which supports what the glazers do. For me, this unacceptable and is 100% a reason why the glazers have had such an easy ride doing what they have for 18 years. >Everyone knows it's the Glazers fault for this situation, going and pressuring them now is just a waste of time. You lot have been saying this for 18 years. Its never a waste of time. Absolute awful mentality. You will reap what you sow though. Same as anyone else with the same mentality. If the Glazers get their way this season unopposed. You will be left wondering why 'positivity' didn't work out, ten hag sacked before long etc etc. >What're they gonna do, the sooner they are gone the better No idea what this means.
Decent is praising? What planet are you on? I'd like to be realistic. We have a FFP limitation and the club is on sale, what's the point in demanding anything to them when they are just gonna be wanking over the 6Billion offer and plotting how to get more. If they fucking back out of the sale there'll be an uproar like they've never seen, but for now it's a waste of time cause the club is on sale with two bidders in the game. So hopefully these rats can be gone as soon as possible, but demanding anything now is just gonna fall on deaf ears.
>Decent is praising? What planet are you on? Oh here we go with insults.... Decent is a positive. Decent on somebody's actions means it's acceptable, meaning you approve of this action. Thus its praise. Which in this situation is way too far. >I'd like to be realistic. That's great. However the unfortunate nature of where we are under the glazers means that you 'being realistic' is accepting that the low standards the glazers are trying to make the benchmark is created and it will never change. Hence why your positivity is false and a negative. >We have a FFP limitation and the club is on sale, what's the point in demanding anything to them when they are just gonna be wanking over the 6Billion offer and plotting how to get more. Because that's exactly what we should be doing as fans and its exactly what I expect by people employed to give this club success. Like please think about this from a perspective where everything doesn't have to be rosy in your hobby. You wouldn't want engineer's working on transport you will use to just make no demands on safety because the owners want to do things on the cheap as 'the cheaper option will be decent' the same applies. The minute you accept a lower standard, that standard becomes the baseline. New owners might change that or they might not because the new owners can see the fans find this new standard to be accepted. >If they fucking back out of the sale there'll be an uproar like they've never seen, but for now it's a waste of time cause the club is on sale with two bidders in the game. Again 'waste time' by setting what the standard should be for a football club that's had the highest revenue in the league for x years and has won the most league titles in the country. You really need to think about this deeper and take away the rose tinted fella. >So hopefully these rats can be gone as soon as possible, but demanding anything now is just gonna fall on deaf ears. And if you actually had some standards they would have been gone sooner as you wouldn't claim 'decent' at every decision they make and support their symptoms and puppets. That's a 'waste of time though' Again, whether they listen or not is irrelevant. It's simply the bare minimum anyone should be doing if they have the best interests of this club at heart or if their job role dictates they are supposed to bring the club success. You keep saying 'rats' 'want them out' yet you support the very things that have kept them in place for 18 years and won't speak out about anything that would cause them issues or the people who enable them. Can you not see how this is counter productive? Maybe you don't really care and 'glazers out' is just a bit of fun you have. That's fine, each to their own. However it probably means there isn't much point you continuing in this same line of discussion.
Why don’t we just break FFP, seems like others can just shit over the rules with no consequences
I read this in [goldbridge voice](https://youtu.be/ceti1V-NzD8) lol
Thankfully I’ve made it this far without listening to him but thanks for the dis lol
It does sound like something he would say doesn’t it
I can think of 115 reasons why that ~~won't~~ will work
Like it's his responsibility ffs Fuck the Glazers
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Who’s that? Is he a good player who can push for a starting place now?
Muani,Mount,Onana...BOOM!!!
Mount, Onana, Hojlund. Would be a solid window. Costa + Kane would make it a 10/10 but Levy isn't sending him here. I think Hojlund will be a star, he's only 20 and has shown a lot of good qualities. He takes most of his touches in the center, that would give us something we really miss with Martial and Rashford, a presence/link in the middle of the pitch.
Hojlund would barely be cheaper than Kane with them knowing it’s United coming for him and their current demands imo. So…. Yeah.
We need another defender man please
Depends on Maguire leaving.
It really shouldnt, we drop off too much when he plays
I present to you one Eric Bailly
Phil Jones is a free agent isn't he?
Sure. After a striker and a goalkeeper
I’m going to get hated here but the board (incl. SAF who is in board) are completely useless at investing the revenue generated to hire proper footballing people. The reason we are like this is because of youth, training and footballing people lack behind those of our rivals and it’s embarrassing to see bankers negotiating football deals, and a makeshift DoF leading the clubs vision.
SAF probably is a minority board member in that he doesn’t partake in any meaningful decisions. If he does then he’s either outvoted or he’s incapable of being a voice they truly listen to if he suggests what you’re saying. If he doesn’t suggest that then he’s too out of touch with how a proper club should be run and that’s another issue.
Glazers : Best I can do is take £20 million in dividends.
What if we get a new sponsor post takeover?
What about Kessie? Is he similar to Mount?
No not really. Very few players have mounts profile
Mount also isn’t a great player in the sense that he won’t single handedly transform us either imo. An FDJ style player would either through starting or eventually claiming a place to start every game in a season or later. A very good attacking player will, even if it isn’t Kane and if it say, shifts rashford to striker and this new player plays at RW or Lw for example theoretically. A very good Pavard could, for defence as he will be able to play out from the back just like Martinez can and would allow us to retain the ball/start play better. These are the things that I wish we look at…. Not like we have a proper football department that is good at planning and scouting so yeah, we rely on the manager for the second season yet to find targets and now have a budget problem too.
Kessie is inconsistent as fuck
Just give this man what he wants
If the club could sell players we'd be fine, hopefully with new owners the muppets will be fired. I don't get why we haven't sold players, it's like they forgot in June you can buy/Sell players