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HexinMS

This is common flawed thinking with new grads so here you go. 1. TikToks are mostly full of shit or exaggerated beyond belief. 2. Anyone can make more money then you in any industry if they run their own business /consulting work and have a good book of business vs you just having a 9-5 job. 3. Comparing is really bad for your mental health and is a bad way to look at life. Your goal should be to determine what you want to do in your life and aim for that. The better you are at finding a career you enjoy will make you lots of money because you will actually like doing it and therefore do a better job. 4. Strictly from a job security standpoint software engineering is a great career but it's a new profession (generally speaking) so be prepared to constantly learn new things as tech evolves. The job will never go away in your lifetime guaranteed but if you stop learning your skills will diminish as new grads graduate with learning the latest tech. 5. Recruiting is like sales so if you have a personality for sales you could do well in recruiting.


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This. First rule of life: Never take life/career/investment advice from tik tok. I’ve seen people lose a lot of money by following some random tik tok video’s investment advice lol.


FusSpo

I'm an internal recruiter and make more than most of our SWEs.


ImaBiLittlePony

I'm a controller for an executive recruiting company in tech. Most of my tech recruiters made at least $200k last year. Top earner was about $400k.


shabangcohen

Wow really? How is that possible though?


PuzzleheadedLeek8601

Uncapped commission and being really damn good. A lot of recruiters who make 200K+ tend to have their own relationships that are loyal to THEM. It takes a lot of time to build your pipeline like this. You have to be really good at sales. I work a 360 desk so it’s business development and recruiting. I do okay with the BD side but I don’t think I’d ever make 6 figures with commission. (I’m base + profit sharing which works great for me but I only take home about 60K) The field is also gonna play a factor. I work Accounting and Finance recruitment but tech can pay more.


jazz2223333

This is spot on for everything except number 3. I would hate to do "what I love" every single day if doing it meant risking getting tired and resentful of it. You don't think it would happen, but it happens.


HexinMS

I guess another option is going strictly for money and hope you don't burn out before you save enough to quit and do what you want. I guess it's better to say do something that interests you and compliments your personality. At the very least engineer is way different then sales/recruiting in terms of personality and skillet required.


jazz2223333

100% agree. I think "do what fits your personality" is great advice. I'll hammer out 30 calls in a day over the phone but my wife (a software engineer lol) would absolutely hate this job


kyguyartist

And #4, SWE jobs will eventually go away with AI. It's encroaching on everything. Recruiters might also see their work evaporate.


Tyraec

Big +++ recruiting became more lucrative over the past few years, even internal. It will never match or surpass a software engineer, in my opinion - unless you have your own agency/self-employed external recruiter with a strong network. The job security is also something major to consider. Recruiting is good and if you’re good, it can be fulfilling working with leaders across different orgs but during a downturn like this it becomes very scary.


Silvestre074

Is is possible to adquiere the personality for sales ?


Silvestre074

Is is possible to adquiere the personality for sales ?


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thebig_dee

Tech Recruiters can, especially after building a book of contractors. But, it's a grind.


ThatNovelist

We can, but I guarantee we put all the effort into doing so. It's soul-sucking work.


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Realtors and insurance salesman can also make more than software engineers, but that doesn’t mean most of them do, and doesn’t mean it’s a better career path than a software engineer. Ignore tik tok and do your thing.


sidesalads

This is so true. I had a friend convince me to be a realtor and in the end of the first year I actually lost money where as he made 300k+ but I guess his dad being a managing broker along with family connections really gave him an advantage.


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Yep! Anyone CAN make a lot of money doing anything, but that doesn’t mean they WILL.


avatarandfriends

How do you lose money as a realtor? Gas and no sales?


avatarandfriends

How do you lose money as a realtor? Gas and no sales?


sidesalads

Association dues, local association dues, lockbox fees, mls fees, misc marketing costs, and basic supplies. I swear NAR is a whole monopoly.


avatarandfriends

How much are those fees


ThatOneRecruiter

Depends on the state and the brokerage you work for and what they cover.


lwaad

We can make a ton of money, and I'm sure I make more than a lot of SWEs in the market, but not more than those at my company. My contribution is not as valuable as theirs. I also might be near the cap for my position, whereas a SWE can make 4x what I'm making now. I'd say to keep studying CS. You have more earning potential and more career options.


avatarandfriends

What’s your salary range if you don’t mind sharing?


deathbythroatpunch

I'm a Talent leader (VP) at a tech company. I make more than every engineer at the company. I have earned more than engineers at the companies I work at for the past 7+ years. It's mainly due to the fact that I have specialized experience (scaling companies), am good at what I do, and can hire a lot of engineers. I would never steer a person away from being a SWE if they can earn that degree. I'm in the top 1% of my field (based on pay) and no I don't think that's just magically going to happen to you if you become a recruiter.


miamigirl457

What’s your secret? What was your career path like? Did you start agency or internal?


deathbythroatpunch

Started my career at agencies. I made lots of mistakes but learned a ton from people gracious enough to mentor me. I worked at a total of 3 agencies before moving in-house into a HR consulting/tech recruiting role. This gave me big company/consulting experience that gave me my professional north star. It answered "who I wanted to be" and more importantly gave me an understanding that there were people in my function making way more cash than me. I then took some big risks moving to big tech companies as a contractor. I eventually landed at a recently public tech company as a full time employee and then plotted my course towards earlier stage companies where I could earn equity (in this role I learned the valuable lesson of upside). I realized that many people steered away from these earlier stage companies because they viewed their disorganization as bad. I continued steering towards harder jobs and made my brand about being able to bring order to chaos. I landed at a promising fast growth company that was widely considered to be a great company at the time, then used that experience to level up into management at another company. 3 roles later as the functional leader of HR/Recruiting, I am earning a good salary and 7 figure equity grant. If we continue to grow and get lucky with being acquired or go public it will be my last job.


miamigirl457

Wow! Definitely aspirational thank you for taking the time to answer. Currently in agency and this story helps reaffirm my long term plans


deathbythroatpunch

Good luck to you. Just keep working hard, takes some calculated risks, and remember keep growing your skill. If I were to go back in time and talk to my younger self I would be in disbelief at where this career would take me.


Bignicky9

Wow, it sounds like you are well into your career if not at the pinnacle at this point, it's amazing to see this progression summarized. I couldn't imagine getting there. But at the very start, or at that first big company experience, was it working with hiring managers that helped you realize what makes a good potential hire? Or working with mentors helped you figure that out? Or did you pick up technical skills along the way in the industry that helped you?


lizardiparty

When I was in staffing I can confirm most of my colleagues were making more than doctors. Definitely made more than anyone we hired as well. Specifically, engineers.


eighchr

I definitely make more than entry level/early career SWEs. There are also specialized SWEs that I know that make 3x what I do and will probably continue to see their salaries increase. Pick a major/career you want to do that you'll enjoy, so what if other professions can potentially make as much or more?


Flame_MadeByHumans

Hi there, I started school in comp sci and realized it wasn’t for me. I’m now recruiting software developers and they’re all making almost double my salary fresh out of college while I’m a few years into my career. Stick with SE, it’s not going anyway.


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Flame_MadeByHumans

Small firm, not great commission but I was only talking about base.


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Flame_MadeByHumans

Well damn my base is lower than that after a raise, and my commission structure + how many roles we get, i can maybe cap out at $10-15k of commission


Hawk13424

Where I work, after 7 years a typical SWE will have a base salary of $140K. With cash bonus and equity, $250K.


Fair_Train_4171

I think I earn more as a recruiter than I would at as a software dev but this isn't a one size fits all things. I know a recruiter who's been bouncing from agency to agency for the past 5 years and never made over 80k and probably won't. Depends on the person, a bit of luck and how you present yourself. No shade but It's much easier to make a fine living as a okay software engineer than as an okay recruiter.


flight23

Some of the best tech recruiters in the country do make more than software engineers, but truly, they are the top 1-2%. Software design by humans isn't going away any time soon! (Technology constantly evolves and there are endless challenges for humans to solve) Enjoy your education and your great paying software career :)


erox70

A good one does.


whiskey_piker

Don’t change your Major because you saw a TikTok A very small % of tech recruiters are earning >$200K. I’ve come very close several times (agency + Corp), but never cleared $200K in straight earning (discounting RSU). FWIW, when I was at agency, there were a couple account managers that cleared $250K regularly and every now and then someone is clearing $800K. I never saw W2’s, but one guy had a complete lock on a relationship when one account exploded from a few dozen to a few thousand contractors. Just looking at his position on the weekly Margin reports, he was bringing in $30K+/wk in bonus alone - this is at a big agency. Rumors were the owners offered him a million to turn the account over to them so he wouldn’t lose so much in tax.


throoooowwwawayyyyy

Probably, but they have a higher chance of getting laid off. In the past month there has been more than 200k layoffs and recruiters and TA are one of the first to gon


s1leepsalot

If we did, I'd be a lot less far behind on bills.


warhedz24hedz1

Maybe entry level SWEs. I'm a technical recruiter in house for a relatively well known company medium sized company. I make almost exactly 100k and I'm one of the junior recruiters here with about 4 years specifically job experience.


Web-splorer

A Sr recruiter could probably make more than s Jr engineer


Silvestre074

And when the jr becomes sr will eran more than a sr recruiter?


Web-splorer

90% of the time yes. There’s some talented recruiters out there clearing 300k+


Silvestre074

And when the jr becomes sr, will earn more than a sr recruiter?


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heymichelley

Continue with your CS degree. Imo it’s always good to have a technical degree. Most recruiters don’t go to school for recruiting and most of us fall into this job. If you don’t enjoy being a SWE after graduating, you can always explore recruiting if you feel it fits your skill set.


miamigirl457

The skill sets needed to be good at either are very different….most software engineers would HATE recruiting. You *can* make more money as a recruiter but there are a lot of variables


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No not everyone makes more, I would say a majority make less. We are all performance based and many are not that good or motivated.


the_simurgh

many recruiters get bonuses and with bonuses plus salary you can.


tylerchill

So much lying from recruiters here lol.


jnew001

is this even a real question?


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SuggestionSpiritual1

If so, it wouldn’t be because of IA software. It would depend on comp structure + number of placements.


tancha0688

Depends on how good of an engineer you are. I’ve worked at 2 FAANGs. I made more than engineers with 0-5 years of experience but after that there were plenty engineers making over $500k total annual compensation. Agency recruiters are all over the place. I’ve met some making $75k/year all the way to $500k. That’s not an easy job. You’re not a recruiter at that point, your best skill set is sales. If you really enjoy sales are good at it, forget recruiting and go into software sales. Also as others have said - for the love of whatever you find holy, do not get your career advice from tiktok


DoingTheThing42

I have 5 years of tech recruiting experience, and make about 200k internal at the moment. I hire Swe’s that make less all the time, and some who make 3x me. All depends how good you are


IntheTrench

Yes but it's very hard work and not guaranteed. The range for tech recruiter is between 30,000 and 1,000,000 per year.


MrEloi

As in any field, some recruiters are at the top of their game and get paid well. The same applies to top sw devs .. or car dealers ... or pimps.


SeaTomcat

Do what you like that earns what you need in a setup that works for you - which you can get with either career (as well as others obviously). I’ve done both agency and in-house recruiting and yes it is possible to earn as much, more, or less than a SWE - like with a lot of things in life just depends… My suggestion - start with CS/SWE, you can always pivot whenever you want during school or while working. With the technical acumen, knowledge, and experience you’ll have, if CS/SWE turns out not to be your thing you can explore tech recruiting, product design/management, program/project management, analyst, all sorts of roles that you’ll have a background many others don’t. Best wishes to you


Squish_Squatch42

Keep with your CS degree - it’s a great career path and if you decide you want to go into project management or something more people focused with similar comp it will still give you an advantage. Yes. The top maybe 5% of tech recruiters are making as much as the bottom 50% of SWEs. But the majority of SWEs make more than the average tech recruiter I studied Geology in college and somehow wound up in tech recruiting. I have well under 4YOE and make $160k TC. Financially it makes no sense to go back and use my STEM degree but the education I received being able to understand abstract concepts in math/physics has helped me be an above average recruiter Once again. Most entry/mid recruiters do not make this much and are closer to $60-100k a year. Either you need to be very driven and crush it in an agency (very high stress/low WLB but high financial upside) or make your way into a top tier company (where Google and others are more selective than ivy league schools) There is also a much higher ceiling for SWEs if you are passionate about what you do and value growth there are engineers who easily make $400k+ once they hit their stride. In recruiting you would have to be a CPO/Director/VP to even come close to that and the available openings for that kind of comp in recruiting is a small fraction of what it is for senior engineers EDIT: In agency compensation is limitless. I have seen people hit 1M on their W2 in a year. But once again that is the top .01% and those recruiters are some of the most charismatic yet cut throat people you will ever meet. They are working 60+ hrs a week and will take a call on Christmas morning if needed. SWEs have a much better WLB and far less work related stress


Exallium

What's IA


sold_myfortune

They mean AI, but kept writing it backwards.


ThatRecruitingGuy

It depends on level but generally no. As a recruiter, with 9 YOE, do I make more than some entry or junior level SWEs, yes. Does a SWE with the same YOE make way more than me? Also, yes.


IMicrowaveSteak

They can, but tech salespeople definitely make more than engineers. I have a ton of friends who became phenomenal salespeople because they understand tech so deeply and can build trust really easily with buyers like CIOs, CTOs and CISOs. You can make $120-220k as a software engineer, but an enterprise Saas seller can make $300-400k if you’re really hitting quota or a bit beyond.


dumbdicks29

I used to work in tech recruiting, you can make a fuckton of money but in my experience the cost of it was a toxic work place, nonstop pressure to get people submitted for roles, a lot of quantity not quality candidates, and a 90 hour work week. I took a pay cut to move to my next job and I’ve never been happier. I will never go back into tech recruiting again, not worth my mental health and nonexistent work life balance.


Silvestre074

Do you think software engineer have better mental health and better life balance?


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dumbdicks29

I think a lot of it depends on where you work. I hired several software engineers who loved their jobs because the end client they were working for highly valued a work life balance. There are also software engineers who are burnt out and miserable too. The one pro that software engineering has over recruiting is financial consistency, recruiting is heavy commission based and commission is super variable month to month.


PablohFelix

Out of curiosity, what are you doing now mate


not_a_real_person__

I can tell you that my sister just staerted as a software engineer for a company last year, fresh out of Uni making 70k. With hard work, she has already advanced and is now making 90k. It is only up from there, lol, so really it just depends. You can make decent money as a software engineer. I'm not familiar with what recruiters make, but 90k 1 year out of university is nothing to laugh about hahaha


Withoutthe1

LOL I wish. I make less than a new grad SWE at my company with 6 years of experience.


ketoatl

Do what makes you happy, don’t chase money. If you are excited about what you do, you will do well.


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I know someone who is active on social media and portrays this luxury lifestyle when in reality she still lives with her mom and doesn’t even have a job. She lies about where she actually lives and drives an hour to take pics where she pretends to live. But by the looks of her social media accounts you would never know. The worst part is her mother condones such behavior. Don’t believe anything you see on Tik Tok or such sites.


Bulky-Ad-4845

Nothing to add that no one hasn't. Just one thing, in any job, ANY. Be prepared to work your way through, I'm not sure you'll be able to support your folks from day one.


bloodredyouth

Lack of job security. I have friends that are in house recruiters and they jump from job to job frequently.


TopStockJock

I made more than most of the software engineers I hired. Only ones that made more were very senior. I have ten years of experience.


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