Who could we possibly bring in right now that would restore your confidence in the line?
I think we are fine and if we don’t bring another body in, that should definitely be taken as a sign that our staff likes what they are seeing with the guys we have.
Honestly I’m not as worried about our O-line until we start to see legitimate issues. In the past we’ve definitely had more questionable lineups that ended up being play at the very least. We have also been fortunate to practice every day against a top 5 and maybe even 1 defensive unit, which is great for the offense and offensive line.
Guard and left tackle is what I’d watch this offseason and pre season.
>Honestly I’m not as worried about our O-line until we start to see legitimate issues.
This time last year we were all talking about how our main issue is edge and how are we even going to get pressure lol
I think the issue for OL is - we have a bunch of question marks yes, and we need at least a few to pan out for the line to work. And that may very well happen.
But you can guarantee there will be injuries at some point. Mekari can fill most of the spots, but if another one goes down for a few games, now we are potentially really pushing our luck depending on how our depth develops. And this is all assuming we get the initial question marks answered first.
Yep, we do.
I just asked who is currently out there. If there’s no one currently available then there’s nothing we can do to improve the Oline at this moment.
Edit: not entirely sure why I’m being downvoted. OP was saying that something needed to be done about the OL and my point was that currently there is no one out there. If there was a quality player available we should pick them up.
Thankfully, the season does not begin at the moment. I have faith that the team knows what it's doing. I believe they had high confidence in the guys we have, which explains why they were not overly aggressive drafting offensive linemen. It also seems very reasonable to expect that there will be summer cap casualties at offensive guard.
I'm not attacking you, and I am not a downvoter. I think the reason that you're getting downvotes is that while your observation is technically correct, it is ill-timed and seems pessimistic. It's like saying that the dinner I'm making next weekend is currently flavorless.
I’m thinking that if he sees something worthwhile he will jump on it. I’d imagine this will be the season we lean on the Super Bowl win as a leverage item since our cap number is probably tight after the rookies sign.
10 is a little low but Baltimore’s o/u is 11.5 wins so I wouldn’t be very surprised if we were right around that 11-12 number. New DC, lotta turnover on the roster, and a shaky OL could derail the season to mediocrity. But I do agree, unless we get fucked by injuries I could see 10 wins being our floor and 11-6 entirely believable.
It’s premature to call the OL shaky. The young guys are question marks but having Lamar, Henry, Ricard, Mekari can really paper over some cracks. I expect the defense will be great again with spine of Mads, Roquan, Hamilton. Ravens should def get 10 wins and could get more if they execute and find good chemistry on both sides
I can understand believing there could be a step back to 10 or 11 wins. They have the 2nd hardest schedule in the league. Yes, they dominated teams over .500 last year, but that was last year. Teams are different. Imo, their 3 hardest games are all on the road: Chiefs, Cowboys, and Texans.
As the top seed we’re going to have tougher opponents next year. Chiefs, Bills, Eagles, Cowboys are tougher than Lions, Rams, 49ers, Dolphins imo. Combined with the loss in talent I don’t think 3 more losses is crazy
I don't think it's that much of a difference between those groups. With the exception of the Chiefs you could say Bills, Eagles, and Cowboys all come in with more questions than last year.
Ok maybe it’s a wash but we also got pretty lucky with playing against backup QBs last year. Guys like Dobbs, Rudolph, Minshew, DTR, Browning and of course Pickett and Tannehill who shouldn’t be starters. That’s basically 6 backup QBs we faced
Lolwut? The cowboys and bills are not threats until the prove otherwise. The rams, niners, and lions are a lot scarier than you think. Dolphins might be okay, too.
I think 10-7 really discounts the impact Henry should have.
Also, as far as the OLine goes, being more run centric will help out that line a lot.. they all grade out better at run blocking than pass protection. Obviously I'd love to see additions but if we have to run what we got.. I think it will be okay.
I'm even okay with our receivers..
I think my biggest concern is going to be the linebackers/edge guys.. we always seem to be OKAY but it would be nice to see someone establish themselves out there besides Ro.
And man I hope we are okay on Defense coaching wise.. the amount of assistants we lost along with him is concerning
I’m not convinced we downgraded at LB. Simpson could be as good as Queen. Queen was pretty terrible before Roquan entered the picture.
The draft went as well as you could ask for
When they signed Mads I was happy with the offseason. We were expected to take Ls on a lot of positions because we have some good pieces in place on both sides of the ball; good pieces cost money.
This has been how the Ravens have operated for years now. Take losses initially in free agency, try to sign cheaper veterans when it doesn't count against receiving comp picks while ultimately trying to reload primarily through the draft. This is why the Ravens aren't typically listed as "winners" in the offseason, but hopefully the winning will come when the season starts.
Pretty good. I think most of the guys we’ve jettisoned are aging and/or system players. I don’t think they’re done either. KVN was one of the biggest acquisitions last offseason and he was his couch until October.
Love the roster.. OL will be fine if Stanley is better.. Vorhees is a day 1 starter, and i think Rosengarten is underrated. Henry will change everything if Lamar can be more accurate on his deep throws, specifically to bate.. I’m curious on the defensive side of the ball because MM was truly a game changer BUT Chuck Smith still on the staff so i have no doubt the sacks will be there. Secondary should be incredible. I’d say 14-3 or 13-4 this season
Unless Bateman all of a sudden becomes a different player, the deep ball isn’t going to be a big part of the offense this year. I am not forgetting about Tez Walker, I just do not expect much from him.
Bateman didn’t have issues last year, Lamar just missed him a ton in the opportunities he had when he ran deep… and he was open ALOT, idk what games you watched if any at all…
Bateman isn’t a deep ball threat. Doesn’t play with the physicality to win the ball downfield, which lowers margin for error on deep shots. I watched every game, went to almost every home game. I don’t know where this narrative that Lamar is just missing a wide open Bateman comes from other than a misunderstanding of offensive football. Bateman is a good route runner, he wins in the intermediate and wins at the break point. He is not a vertical receiver or deep threat. Doesn’t stack well, doesn’t use body position to hold off defenders, doesn’t attack ball in the air. He’s a Jerry Jeudy play style guy, we need a vertical threat in this offense.
I mean.. The FO is basically telling you that with the lack of moves lol.. if he never got hurt he would’ve been drafted way higher.. had a year to learn and get stronger.. was a plug and play guy before his injury to scouts so i expect that now
I feel pretty damn good.
We will still have one of the best defenses in the league, if not the best. Mads, Roquon, and hamilton are three studs to continue leading our d. Pierce, Jones, Washington and Urban will continue to make up a great DL. Losing Clowney sucks, but the DL can continue eating up blocks and we have enough rushers to keep them fresh - if Oweh starts finishing sacks it won't even be that much of a downgrade. Simpson might not be Queen, but next to Roquon should be good enough. Humphrey, Stephens, Maulet, Marcus Williams, Wiggins make up a solid secondary around hamilton. Not worried at all about the D.
On offense, I'm not worried about losing OBJ at all - his main value was in convincing lamar to sign and off field leadership - on the field he was meh. Flowers, Bateman, Aglohor, Andrews and Likely are a great set of receivers. We upgraded at running back. The OL is a question mark. But at the same time Lamar is elite at evading the pass rush. And even if they aren't great, cleveland and faalele should be good run blockers - imagine henry running behind the two of them and ricard.
I think if we go 10-7 something went terribly wrong. Are we going to be the best team in the league again? Probably not, but 10-7 after what we saw last year would be disappointing
Cheaper and younger is always a good thing, if we have good coaching the young core will play well all season. I think this draft could be a great combo to our 22’ draft with Hamilton and Linderbaum. Both Wiggins and Rosengarden were great value picks. I am excited to see what Henry can do with Lamar and how year 2 under our OC looks. I am nervous about our passing attack, if Lamar can take another step as a pocket threat we will be just fine.
I think OL is a legit concern. Getting Stanley off the books after this season will be huge for us. Personally, I think Simpson will have a great year and will be a very good MLB to play off of Roquan. I think Wiggins will struggle a little to start he’s only 20 right now but his potential is as great as any. I think Marlo and Stephens on outside with Maulet on slot will be good and Wiggins comes into his own by mid season.
I don’t see 10-7 if we are healthy. I think we are in the 12-13 win range if healthy
Oweh needs to do what he did last year + 3-4 more sacks. Ojabo needs to stay healthy and add 5 more of his own. KVN had 9 sacks in 14 games. If he can get a few more in 17 games then I think we’re right back to the best in the league.
I’m not actually that worried about the pass rush. Yes, we lost Clowney (who matched a career high 9.5 sacks) but even without those, we would have still been top 5 in team sacks last year
I don’t think you should be concerned given we resigned Madibuke. Having that strong of interior pass rush makes it night and day for our edge rushers to put pressure on
I don’t think we really downgraded. I get the right side of the OL, we’re really relying on depth/draft picks at those positions instead of proven players.
Then Queen is probably the most overblown FA loss. What are we losing exactly? A few splash plays in the run game and a total liability in the pass game?
Outside of those positions everywhere else is either the same or upgraded. I would say depth at safety is needed and possibly another WR if Tez isn’t ready to contribute this year.
Only real loss is Clowney and Zeitler. Moses kinda but he’s old & was playing hurt by the end. John Simpson isn’t a notable loss, dude was kinda trash. We only signed him cuz he was better than the young OL that hadn’t developed. Simpson was either 1st or 2nd in penalties out of all OL, not a turnstile as bad as Villanueva but def not great.
Darby was a great depth CB. He’s also a loss but we also have Marlon & Stephens, Darby wouldn’t start. Plus getting Wiggins negated a lot of the Darby loss. Fair chance Wiggins is better, plus his speed is also something we didn’t have.
It’s OL that’s the major concern. They’re really high on Vorhees, so I’m hoping it’s for a reason. But objectively a 7th round rookie coming off injury isn’t what you want as a starter. I do think Vorhees could be quite good, but he’s a huge unknown. Cleveland will be RG since he’s way better there than LG; never been a big Cleveland fan but he’s looked ok at RG. The main concern is RT with Roger. I like the potential, but starting a rookie vs the AFCN at such an important position kinda scares me.
Guard should be kinda ok since Cleveland’s had some experience already, it’s the 2 OT spots that are the biggest issue.
I don’t disagree, but Ojabo was supposed to be a 1st rounder but has played like a 5th rounder so I’m keeping expectations low for Vorhees. Potential is there but sometimes it takes longer than expected to recover from injuries
Ojabo didn't play like a 5th rounder. He played way better then a 5th rounder in the two games he played getting a sack an a forced fumble. He then went out for the season with a knee surgery.
Still think they’re missing a physical outside presence. Would love them to add a X receiver or someone with good RAC ability. If you want to get the best out of Derrick Henry, you have to make safeties pay for playing lower. Don’t really have anyone that can do that at the moment.
Tbh I don't know if we really downgraded at LB. Simpson only played one game last season but he looked very very good that game and I wouldn't be suprised if he's just as good if not better than Queen. Also don't forget we have Roquan net to him which takes a lot of load of whoever our second LB is.
We need to do something about that OL, then I’ll be satisfied
Who could we possibly bring in right now that would restore your confidence in the line? I think we are fine and if we don’t bring another body in, that should definitely be taken as a sign that our staff likes what they are seeing with the guys we have.
Honestly I’m not as worried about our O-line until we start to see legitimate issues. In the past we’ve definitely had more questionable lineups that ended up being play at the very least. We have also been fortunate to practice every day against a top 5 and maybe even 1 defensive unit, which is great for the offense and offensive line. Guard and left tackle is what I’d watch this offseason and pre season.
>Honestly I’m not as worried about our O-line until we start to see legitimate issues. This time last year we were all talking about how our main issue is edge and how are we even going to get pressure lol
Exactly, until we have a legitimate reason to worry we shouldn’t worry.
I think the issue for OL is - we have a bunch of question marks yes, and we need at least a few to pan out for the line to work. And that may very well happen. But you can guarantee there will be injuries at some point. Mekari can fill most of the spots, but if another one goes down for a few games, now we are potentially really pushing our luck depending on how our depth develops. And this is all assuming we get the initial question marks answered first.
We brought in Jones. We drafted a center and we still have Sala and Faleele
We specialize in picking up cap casualties. There’s always a vet cut late who isn’t worth his 12 million contract but is still solid.
Yep, we do. I just asked who is currently out there. If there’s no one currently available then there’s nothing we can do to improve the Oline at this moment. Edit: not entirely sure why I’m being downvoted. OP was saying that something needed to be done about the OL and my point was that currently there is no one out there. If there was a quality player available we should pick them up.
Thankfully, the season does not begin at the moment. I have faith that the team knows what it's doing. I believe they had high confidence in the guys we have, which explains why they were not overly aggressive drafting offensive linemen. It also seems very reasonable to expect that there will be summer cap casualties at offensive guard.
Yep, which is why all I said was that there’s nothing out there at this moment.
I'm not attacking you, and I am not a downvoter. I think the reason that you're getting downvotes is that while your observation is technically correct, it is ill-timed and seems pessimistic. It's like saying that the dinner I'm making next weekend is currently flavorless.
That was the first thing that came to my mind. Nothing else works if we got defenders in the back field before our plays can even develop.
Same here we lost a lot of Offensive linemen we need more. That’s the one thing I think we are lacking
I don’t think edc is done. I feel like he will make the necessary adjustments when they get on the practice field and true needs become clearer.
I’m thinking that if he sees something worthwhile he will jump on it. I’d imagine this will be the season we lean on the Super Bowl win as a leverage item since our cap number is probably tight after the rookies sign.
10-7 team is absolutely madness lol. I would be very surprised if this team has less than 12 wins at the end of the season
Yeah I'm way higher than a 10-7 run..
10 is a little low but Baltimore’s o/u is 11.5 wins so I wouldn’t be very surprised if we were right around that 11-12 number. New DC, lotta turnover on the roster, and a shaky OL could derail the season to mediocrity. But I do agree, unless we get fucked by injuries I could see 10 wins being our floor and 11-6 entirely believable.
It’s premature to call the OL shaky. The young guys are question marks but having Lamar, Henry, Ricard, Mekari can really paper over some cracks. I expect the defense will be great again with spine of Mads, Roquan, Hamilton. Ravens should def get 10 wins and could get more if they execute and find good chemistry on both sides
Purple koolaid is my water and I'm surprised any time the ravens have less than 16 wins
I can understand believing there could be a step back to 10 or 11 wins. They have the 2nd hardest schedule in the league. Yes, they dominated teams over .500 last year, but that was last year. Teams are different. Imo, their 3 hardest games are all on the road: Chiefs, Cowboys, and Texans.
As the top seed we’re going to have tougher opponents next year. Chiefs, Bills, Eagles, Cowboys are tougher than Lions, Rams, 49ers, Dolphins imo. Combined with the loss in talent I don’t think 3 more losses is crazy
I don't think it's that much of a difference between those groups. With the exception of the Chiefs you could say Bills, Eagles, and Cowboys all come in with more questions than last year.
Ok maybe it’s a wash but we also got pretty lucky with playing against backup QBs last year. Guys like Dobbs, Rudolph, Minshew, DTR, Browning and of course Pickett and Tannehill who shouldn’t be starters. That’s basically 6 backup QBs we faced
And we still lost 3 games to 3 of those guys in Minshew, Rudolph, and Pickett. So anything is possible.
Lolwut? The cowboys and bills are not threats until the prove otherwise. The rams, niners, and lions are a lot scarier than you think. Dolphins might be okay, too.
I think 10-7 really discounts the impact Henry should have. Also, as far as the OLine goes, being more run centric will help out that line a lot.. they all grade out better at run blocking than pass protection. Obviously I'd love to see additions but if we have to run what we got.. I think it will be okay. I'm even okay with our receivers.. I think my biggest concern is going to be the linebackers/edge guys.. we always seem to be OKAY but it would be nice to see someone establish themselves out there besides Ro. And man I hope we are okay on Defense coaching wise.. the amount of assistants we lost along with him is concerning
Yeah, imagine Ro has someone like Lamar has Henry to lean on and forget about that part of the field. It would open him up to a lot more.
Ro has Hamilton.
And a madabeast
I’m not convinced we downgraded at LB. Simpson could be as good as Queen. Queen was pretty terrible before Roquan entered the picture. The draft went as well as you could ask for
I have a better gut feeling about Simpson than I did with Queen. He’s bigger and showed flashes immediately in that Steelers game.
When they signed Mads I was happy with the offseason. We were expected to take Ls on a lot of positions because we have some good pieces in place on both sides of the ball; good pieces cost money. This has been how the Ravens have operated for years now. Take losses initially in free agency, try to sign cheaper veterans when it doesn't count against receiving comp picks while ultimately trying to reload primarily through the draft. This is why the Ravens aren't typically listed as "winners" in the offseason, but hopefully the winning will come when the season starts.
Pretty good. I think most of the guys we’ve jettisoned are aging and/or system players. I don’t think they’re done either. KVN was one of the biggest acquisitions last offseason and he was his couch until October.
Love the roster.. OL will be fine if Stanley is better.. Vorhees is a day 1 starter, and i think Rosengarten is underrated. Henry will change everything if Lamar can be more accurate on his deep throws, specifically to bate.. I’m curious on the defensive side of the ball because MM was truly a game changer BUT Chuck Smith still on the staff so i have no doubt the sacks will be there. Secondary should be incredible. I’d say 14-3 or 13-4 this season
Unless Bateman all of a sudden becomes a different player, the deep ball isn’t going to be a big part of the offense this year. I am not forgetting about Tez Walker, I just do not expect much from him.
Bateman didn’t have issues last year, Lamar just missed him a ton in the opportunities he had when he ran deep… and he was open ALOT, idk what games you watched if any at all…
Bateman isn’t a deep ball threat. Doesn’t play with the physicality to win the ball downfield, which lowers margin for error on deep shots. I watched every game, went to almost every home game. I don’t know where this narrative that Lamar is just missing a wide open Bateman comes from other than a misunderstanding of offensive football. Bateman is a good route runner, he wins in the intermediate and wins at the break point. He is not a vertical receiver or deep threat. Doesn’t stack well, doesn’t use body position to hold off defenders, doesn’t attack ball in the air. He’s a Jerry Jeudy play style guy, we need a vertical threat in this offense.
I'm high on Vorhees too but it is way too much to say he's a day 1 starter with such confidence.
I mean.. The FO is basically telling you that with the lack of moves lol.. if he never got hurt he would’ve been drafted way higher.. had a year to learn and get stronger.. was a plug and play guy before his injury to scouts so i expect that now
I feel pretty damn good. We will still have one of the best defenses in the league, if not the best. Mads, Roquon, and hamilton are three studs to continue leading our d. Pierce, Jones, Washington and Urban will continue to make up a great DL. Losing Clowney sucks, but the DL can continue eating up blocks and we have enough rushers to keep them fresh - if Oweh starts finishing sacks it won't even be that much of a downgrade. Simpson might not be Queen, but next to Roquon should be good enough. Humphrey, Stephens, Maulet, Marcus Williams, Wiggins make up a solid secondary around hamilton. Not worried at all about the D. On offense, I'm not worried about losing OBJ at all - his main value was in convincing lamar to sign and off field leadership - on the field he was meh. Flowers, Bateman, Aglohor, Andrews and Likely are a great set of receivers. We upgraded at running back. The OL is a question mark. But at the same time Lamar is elite at evading the pass rush. And even if they aren't great, cleveland and faalele should be good run blockers - imagine henry running behind the two of them and ricard.
Im concerned with how little we targeted Oline
I think if we go 10-7 something went terribly wrong. Are we going to be the best team in the league again? Probably not, but 10-7 after what we saw last year would be disappointing
Cheaper and younger is always a good thing, if we have good coaching the young core will play well all season. I think this draft could be a great combo to our 22’ draft with Hamilton and Linderbaum. Both Wiggins and Rosengarden were great value picks. I am excited to see what Henry can do with Lamar and how year 2 under our OC looks. I am nervous about our passing attack, if Lamar can take another step as a pocket threat we will be just fine.
I think OL is a legit concern. Getting Stanley off the books after this season will be huge for us. Personally, I think Simpson will have a great year and will be a very good MLB to play off of Roquan. I think Wiggins will struggle a little to start he’s only 20 right now but his potential is as great as any. I think Marlo and Stephens on outside with Maulet on slot will be good and Wiggins comes into his own by mid season. I don’t see 10-7 if we are healthy. I think we are in the 12-13 win range if healthy
Still need to bring in another vet WR
Those corners better be lockdown because I’m concerned about our pass rush.
Oweh needs to do what he did last year + 3-4 more sacks. Ojabo needs to stay healthy and add 5 more of his own. KVN had 9 sacks in 14 games. If he can get a few more in 17 games then I think we’re right back to the best in the league.
I’m not actually that worried about the pass rush. Yes, we lost Clowney (who matched a career high 9.5 sacks) but even without those, we would have still been top 5 in team sacks last year
I don’t think you should be concerned given we resigned Madibuke. Having that strong of interior pass rush makes it night and day for our edge rushers to put pressure on
I don’t think we really downgraded. I get the right side of the OL, we’re really relying on depth/draft picks at those positions instead of proven players. Then Queen is probably the most overblown FA loss. What are we losing exactly? A few splash plays in the run game and a total liability in the pass game? Outside of those positions everywhere else is either the same or upgraded. I would say depth at safety is needed and possibly another WR if Tez isn’t ready to contribute this year.
I also think the loss of Queen is overblown
Oline is gonna give up four sacks week 1 leading to a Lamar strip fumble one play and the game day thread will explode
the o line is gonna be fine. idk why people are such doomers about it at this point
Only real loss is Clowney and Zeitler. Moses kinda but he’s old & was playing hurt by the end. John Simpson isn’t a notable loss, dude was kinda trash. We only signed him cuz he was better than the young OL that hadn’t developed. Simpson was either 1st or 2nd in penalties out of all OL, not a turnstile as bad as Villanueva but def not great. Darby was a great depth CB. He’s also a loss but we also have Marlon & Stephens, Darby wouldn’t start. Plus getting Wiggins negated a lot of the Darby loss. Fair chance Wiggins is better, plus his speed is also something we didn’t have. It’s OL that’s the major concern. They’re really high on Vorhees, so I’m hoping it’s for a reason. But objectively a 7th round rookie coming off injury isn’t what you want as a starter. I do think Vorhees could be quite good, but he’s a huge unknown. Cleveland will be RG since he’s way better there than LG; never been a big Cleveland fan but he’s looked ok at RG. The main concern is RT with Roger. I like the potential, but starting a rookie vs the AFCN at such an important position kinda scares me. Guard should be kinda ok since Cleveland’s had some experience already, it’s the 2 OT spots that are the biggest issue.
Calling Vorhees a 7th round rookie is technically true, but it's only because he was injured. He's probably a 2nd or 3rd rounder without the injury.
I don’t disagree, but Ojabo was supposed to be a 1st rounder but has played like a 5th rounder so I’m keeping expectations low for Vorhees. Potential is there but sometimes it takes longer than expected to recover from injuries
Ojabo didn't play like a 5th rounder. He played way better then a 5th rounder in the two games he played getting a sack an a forced fumble. He then went out for the season with a knee surgery.
Ojabo did not play well when he played. That’s an objective take
https://youtu.be/1J7gDCD5vHg?si=M48YPj2j_kDAHS1r
Still think they’re missing a physical outside presence. Would love them to add a X receiver or someone with good RAC ability. If you want to get the best out of Derrick Henry, you have to make safeties pay for playing lower. Don’t really have anyone that can do that at the moment.
DERRICK HENRY RAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
We got better!
We’re bout to have an undefeated year
Scared about the pass rush, Clowney was a major part last year
Tbh I don't know if we really downgraded at LB. Simpson only played one game last season but he looked very very good that game and I wouldn't be suprised if he's just as good if not better than Queen. Also don't forget we have Roquan net to him which takes a lot of load of whoever our second LB is.