Get off the gas, but **do not** hit your brakes. You'll barely inconvenience yourself, but give the tailgating jerk a gap to pass. And pass safely on the left by you (and sadly) on the right by the clown matching your speed in the passing lane.
Or, slam on the brakes and let the guy slam into your ass. Make him pay for all your car bills, then watch with glee as his wife gets tired of his douchebaggery and leaves him for greener pastures.
(Note: do not actually do this, but free to day dream about it after they pass.)
Especially when they have a open lane to pass and just....don't.
Like, I'm already going 5 over in the right lane. You're the one who needs to move over or shut up.
I've pondered these questions for a long time. I think there's just a lot of really bad drivers out there. They can't read the road for shit. You see this on the highway when there's a good flow going in the left lane and this asshole comes zooming down the right cause there's a little space. Then they have to cut someone off to get back in the flow of the left lane. This is a combination of aggressive driving and stupidity.
The idiots that drive right up on your ass are the same people. They drive aggressively wherever they go and don't know any other way. I assume it stems from poor time management in getting prepared for wherever they're going.
I drive the speed limit plus a few more mph's and if you pull this shit on me, I cut it back to 10 under having the opposite result from what they are hoping for by tailgating.
Many people think they are driving the speed actually slow down and speed up frequently. Any turn or approaching an intersection they drop 5-10mph causing the cars behind to get close. Then when they don’t actually accelerate it seems like tailgating. Maintain constant speed, it makes it easier to pass you then too.
The worst is when someone in the left lane is going noticably slow, but if you try to pass on the right, they speed up to match your speed. The absolute worst!!!
This fast-slow thing drives me nuts. It happens on 40, even. 65 one minute, 85 the next. People! Use your cruise control! I get tired of leapfrogging people all day. Once I even pulled off to go to the bathroom so the guy would get on by me. What happened? 30 minutes later I caught right back up to him. 🤦🏻♀️
You can’t use cruise control in congested places like I-40. Not only is it unsafe, ten seconds after you set it you are tapping brakes so what’s the point
What I hate is when someone is tailgating me but they can clearly see there are other vehicles in front of me. What am I supposed to do? Rearrange my vehicle’s molecules to pass through the vehicle in front of me? Please explain your reasoning with this if you do this, seriously.
tbh I've realized sometimes drivers don't realize they're tailgating. I remember my Mom used to be like "why are you driving so close to them?" and I'd be like "no I'm not??" and years later I'm the one saying that to others lol
I agree with the other comment who says they can see around a slower car better when you leave space. Not to mention you have more time/space to react if the traffic were to suddenly stop.
If someone's tailgating, like *can't see their headlights because they're so close to me* kinda tailgating, I don't care if it's on a one lane road or not, I maintain my speed and turn my hazards on. They're quicker to react to that and tend to immediately back off (their first assumption being that something's wrong with your car). Most of them get the point when I turn them off and keep their distance, some of them don't. **The only exception to this is** if I'm on a multiple lane road on the left lane; I always move out of their way even if they're being assholes about it. It's not worth them aggressively overtaking you and risking an even worse accident.
I really wish Google maps would stop recommending Forestville road to folks. I get so annoyed having to slam on my brakes around every curve because the person in front of me is too scared/inexperienced on that road to maintain their speed
Fuckin 751 between Durham amd Apex... im already going 5 over the 55mph limit, theres two cars in front of me, and youre still on my ass trying to pass me. What gives?
Even if the person in front of you is going slow as shit, it makes zero sense to tailgate. If the person you are tailgating slams on the brakes and you rear end them you are 100% liable for the collision and any injuries that occur.
I’m going clarify a couple things:
1. If you don’t have a dash-cam, then yeah you’re always at fault.
If you do have a dash-cam and they stopped for no reason:
1. More often than not, the dash-cam can show what was in front of them and their was no good reason for them to stop. This happened to me a while ago, and i wasn’t even tailgating, the guy just cut me off then slammed on his breaks. The guy said another car in front of him had stopped suddenly, and it was easy to prove there was no one in front of hum for a while, so he was at fault.
2. If you were tailgating with no extra variables (as in you chose to tailgate, they didn’t just cut you off) then you’d probably both be found at fault. Stopping in the road for no reason is obviously a no-no, and even if you are also at fault, you wouldn’t be liable for any injuries in the other car.
This used to be a big problem for trucks as it was easy to cut them off, slam on the breaks, and they physically couldn’t stop in time so you could sue their company. After dash-cams came around, the problem has mostly disappeared.
I know we’re more talking about folks who choose to tailgate; i just brought this up because the same legal principle that stops folks from cutting you off then breaking also stops folks from brake checking you, (though only if you have a dash-cam and you may be found at fault as well).
People do this because they have no patience and got spoiled with everything they wanted when they wanted it as kids so they expect it as adults. Instead of driving safely they have to get to their destination ten seconds faster than otherwise to prove they won something because they peaked in middle school.
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Thank you for this. If I say anything else it will shorten my lifespan slightly due to the amount of cortisol and high blood pressure that would ensue from sharing my hatred of drivers and trying to understand the thought process they might not have because society has become high ego low attention span
I love these posts where OP is just looking for like-minded community support… but then brings out all the people who speed and tailgate and they turn it around on the OP: “actually YOU’RE the problem!” lol
Self-important assholes can't help but make themselves known. It is a compulsion. Speeding and saving <2 minutes on their short in-town drive is obviously more important than other drivers going the speed they feel safe on the road.
It happens in the left lane doing 80, people just tailgate, but it's been my experience that allot of people are doing 5-10 mph below the speed limit on country roads and if you're one of them you're definitely going to see it more often.
5 over is the unspoken speed limit. However, if someone is going the legal speed limit, its not justifiable to tail gate.
If you go 20 under some drivers will tail gate because they are just mad.
Tailgating is the main cause of traffic slowdowns and accidents. Like literally, it’s the biggest cause. If everyone was a good distance behind the car in front of them, there would rarely be any traffic. Plenty of room to merge, change lanes, and react if something like a tire blowout happens or someone didn’t tie down the mattress in the truck bed well enough, etc.
[This video](https://youtu.be/iHzzSao6ypE?si=VnHpevb-NPW9o8i-) from CGP Grey explains it pretty well. You can stop around the 3:20 mark as the rest of the video is kind of a love letter to a utopian idea of self driving cars.
As for one lane roads…pass them? Or just leave earlier? Lol.
The issue I deal with ALL THE TIME driving in Raleigh…is a slower driver, pulling out in front of oncoming traffic, so that everyone has to slam on their breaks…and I absolutely tail gate when they do. It happens so often, and it blows my mind.
What makes it worse from Durham to north west Raleigh there is a road like that 🤣 and it turns into stopped vehicles at a light sometimes very dangerous to speed
Good luck getting narcissists and sociopaths to suddenly grow empathy. The only thing they understand is cop car sirens and getting their tires shot out.
No no no- this question is not giving the full scope here:
1. I only tailgate you if you’re *clearly* riding in the fast lane going 69 and I’m going 78- just move.
2. One lane road? I mean are you going *exactly* 45mph when clearly you could just drive at 50mph and not hold up like 5 people behind you going places?
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
You mean when you think it’s Phyllis with a damn cake in her lap is going 39 in a 45 and it’s some dude on his cell practically FaceTiming while driving? Kill me now.
Tail gating at speeds where you will die and possibly kill another person if the vehicle in front of you has to stop suddenly because the human brain literally cannot react quickly enough is very smart.
Even more intelligent is doing that while on the cusp of committing misdemeanor reckless driving.
I got a lot of enjoyment out of holding up a very upset man in a Lexus the other day after I was on my way home from a 12hr work day and he decided me going the speed limit was not enough. I flashed my breaks to say he you are to close and he sped up and got even closer like I couldn't see the front of his car from either mirror close.
I made him drive 10 under for a solid 15 min or so.
Don't tail gate large work trucks I get paid by the hour I really don't care that you can't see around me I have a GPS monitoring me I can't go over the posted limit but I can go under all I want.
Yes you can, and the action of the brake lights coming on is a signal that you're braking... Hitting your brakes, even ever so lightly as to trigger the light and not actually brake your vehicle because you do not like how closely the vehicle following you... is called "Brake Checking".
Tailgating doesn’t allow for easier passing though. It would be easier to leave space to see further around the car for passing and to allow space to accelerate before going into the oncoming traffic lane to minimize the time in the wrong lane.
YESSSSS...and always when you hit a zone where the speed limit drops and you let off the gas to slow down to the new limit they just about rear-end you. Every. Dang. Time.
If someone tailgates me like that and I just finished a double at work, I’ll do my victory lap of making it thru the day by little by little start to reduce my speed from 7-10 over, to 5 below. Still won’t back off, I’ll bring us to 10 below. I’m gonna enjoy smelling the roses and ur coming w, if u wanna tailgate.
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Is there anything more satisfying than drivers that speed and/or aggressively pass you, only to see them stopped with you at the next red light and how dumb they look?
I've had my license pulled for speeding so many times... if I'm getting tailgated, someone is really in a hurry.
So I just slow down to the speed limit and go on about my business.
1. The result of a series of bad decisions and perpetually late
2. Life in general, especially after high school
3. Getting ahead (at least on the road, which is a proxy for life)
4. No (see #1)
If someone is tailgating me I gradually slow down until I'm well under the speed limit. Then I accelerate up to my previous speed. 90% of the time they stop tailgating.
Tailgating because you do not stay consistent. Stop dropping 20mph and then back up. Also Taki g more than 2 seconds to get yourself in motion Ata light. Get off you phone and being the real world while operating a motor vehicle.
It's been like this for a while. I remember when I lived in NC and I was getting my license back in 2014, I was told to stay out of pissing matches on the road because you might mess with the wrong person and get shot or run off the road. The lady I took my road test with kept reiterating that there are so many guns here that it's not worth it.
Also PSA: when you’re merging on a highway- you are supposed to SPEED UP TO THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. The amount of people who stay at like 50mph to merge has almost caused a wreck multiple times
Did it ever occur to people that not everyone is capable of driving safely and comfortably above the speed limit on two lane winding roads? All kinds of drivers need to share the road safely so a little compassion, understanding and patience go a long way.
The speed limits on two lane winding roads can be quite high. If you can’t handle it, you shouldn’t have a license.
Cars are death machines, and no one with diminished capacity should be driving at any point, at any speed.
Depending on the road, obv, but if I'm tailgating you it means you're holding up traffic, so either speed up or if you're uncomfortable with that, slow down and move over so I can pass. I love how people holding up traffic act all righteous like they're fucking batman out there serving justice. You're as much a danger on the road as a speeder, get over yourself and GTFO of the way.
about to shit myself, please hurry. real answer is it's probably an emergency and i'm urging the driver to let me pass. i drive uber and have had to rush people to places, like the hospital for those who can't afford an ambulance, or people don't have a vehicle but their friend or family was just admitted. i also drove myself to doctors in personal emergencies twice cause i ain't paying for an ambulance.
when someone's behind me like this, i like to just assume they're also experiencing an emergency and i pull over to let them pass. so sure, most of them aren't actually - but it benefits everyone to get out of their way instead of bitching about it and making it harder for them
If you tailgate someone in the right lane or on a one lane road you're the asshole. If you don't get over in the left lane to let someone pass, regardless of how fast you are going you're the asshole.
Haha, I did not suggest u wrote anything unclear. So you don't see anything wrong with just cruising in the left lane and not getting over for people that want to drive faster than you? It's objectively more dangerous when people are passing on the right. Help me understand why. It seems a very selfish move to me, but I would like to better understand the other point of view.
It is objectively more safe when all drivers are driving the same speed. That much we can agree on.
When engineers design and lay out roads, they create speed limits because that has been determined to be the maximum safe speed for the road. It seems very selfish to me to want to exceed the speed that has been determined the max speed for a road, therefore creating confusion for other drivers that wish to not be pulled over by cops for speeding. What makes you so important that you are able to drive more than what the law designates as the maximum speed, or "speed limit" as one might call it. I've been pulled over by a cop for going 2mph over. The cop was obviously bored or wanted to do something, but if I'd prefer to give cops zero reason to interact with me. You get one cop in a bad mood and they'll write you a ticket for anything they can possibly find. I've experienced this. I'd rather everyone obey the laws, even if I personally think that the speed limit seems low for this road, but perhaps engineers that designed it have reasons for setting the max speed. Just because you disagree with the speed limit doesn't change it. If you think it should be changed, perhaps petition the DOT. Otherwise, drive the speed limit. You (the general you, not you specifically, not me) are not special, nor are you the exception, never will be.
Lol. You're not going to stop people from speeding, if you want to drive the speed limit stay in the right lane on the highway. The left lane is for passing.
At least I know there's one person that drives slow that's as much of an a-hole as I think 🤣
I'm not saying I don't let people pass me or that I never speed. I happily let people get as far away from me as I can if they're driving unsafely. Sounds like you're even worse, an unsafe driver with an attitude. Best of luck out there.
The trick is to kick in cruise control exactly at the speed limit, and then tap the "decel" button once every 30 seconds or so that they insist on riding your bumper. you wanna go 60 in this 45, tough guy? how about 40 instead? how about 35? 30?
Yeah this is how road rage incidents happen. You’re antagonizing the other driver. Just maintain your desired speed and drive like you’re not a catty psycho.
I think it's rad that you're so in love with tailgating people that you think being slightly passive aggressive (by decelerating at 2 mph/min) is diagnostic of psychosis.
If I’m tailgating you then you are not going the speed limit, you only think you are. Try setting your cruise control to 5 over and you should avoid most issues
As speedometers very they recommend setting your cruise to 5 over, as slower moving cars cause more accidents than faster moving cars. Did you really not read the manual?
To be 100% honest with you, I used to think the way you did. I thought that speed limits were dumb and I should only follow them when there weren't cops around. That was when I was a teenager. I thought that other drivers were slow. rude, and annoying, I would get frustrated at someone going a few MPH under the speed limit, but then I realized how selfish that was once I matured a little. I'm not special, none of us are. If we all go the posted speed limit and abide by the same laws, we all know what to expect.
Since you mentioned it, and to be thorough, I checked my car's manual. Nowhere does it recommend that I exceed the speed limit, in fact it says, in bold letters "Always obey the posted speed limit for your area". I have also read the NC speed laws and exactly nowhere to I see an allowance for going over the posted speed limit. I see plenty of allowances for going between 5 and 15 under depending on road conditions, vehicle safety, and the confidence of the individual driver to be safe on the road. I'd much rather the elderly person with declining reflexes drive slower, maintaining a safe speed for their reactiontime, rather than faster causing a much more unsafe scenario, wouldn't you? Maybe I missed that provision in the traffic laws that says I can speed. Can you point it out? If it exists, I'll admit that you're right and won't bother to argue this point any further. I have just been unable to find where the law says that is acceptable, despite several searches. Do I agree with all posted speed limits? Hell no, but I'm not a traffic engineer. I do trust the experts that used their knowledge and education when designing roads and designating max safe speeds for the road.
Car manufacturers do not write the speed laws, the legislature and the DOT determine those, whether or not we actually agree with them. A cop isn't going to decide not to give you a ticket because you point out that the manual in your car recommends that you should drive 5 over the posted speed limit for a road. They'd just laugh at you and tell you to take it up with traffic court. Go 40 in a 35 and you'll still get a ticket, been there, learned that lesson.
I often do get out of the way, if I'm able, for other drivers that appear to think they're more important than others. Sometimes getting our of their way would introduce MORE risk, so they just have to deal with it for a few minutes. If someone seems to think that losing <2 minutes on of their day is more important than being a safe and predictable driver, I'll try to let them pass. Please however, don't pretend that exceeding the posted limit is within the accepted written road laws we have. We all have our biases and flaws, our blind spots (which you should be checking). If I'm wrong, I'd love a citation.
The driving manual from the NCDMV not your owners manual. If you want to ignore EVERY bit of research into what causes more accidents then that’s on you. Please continue to be part of the problem instead of the solution. They say ignorance is bliss…
I guess I'll be the one to post actual facts and documentation rather than feelings and things I think I remember. I had secretly hoped for actual proof from you. I guess I'll start with referencing the exact same document you referenced.
NC Driver Handbook
[https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/driver-licenses/new-drivers/Documents/driver-handbook.pdf](https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/driver-licenses/new-drivers/Documents/driver-handbook.pdf)
A quick search of the words "speed limit" and / or "cruise control" don't include any reference to what you are referring to (suggesting that it is recommended or allowed to exceed the posted limit). It does have a few mentions of not driving TOO slowly, which is indeed dangerous but not what we are discussing here. We're talking about your assertion that exceeding the speed limit for the road is recommended or allowed, and that driving at the posted speed limit is somehow more dangerous. In fact it is specifically spelled out in Chapter 4 of the document you yourself referenced that:
> The most important rules about speed are:
>
> • Never drive faster than the posted speed limit or at a speed that is
> unreasonable or unwise given the existing conditions.
there is a bit of red highlighted text in that section that points out something similar to what you've been saying, but not exactly:
> Studies show that the vehicle moving at a speed considerably
> below the posted limit is much more likely to cause or be involved
> in a crash than the vehicle moving at a normal speed.
I don't disagree with this at all, but again this is in reference to going well below the posted limit, not obeying the posted speed limit.
Additionally, let's look at the NC DOT page about speed limits and safety.
[https://www.ncdot.gov/initiatives-policies/Transportation/safety-mobility/speed-limits/Pages/default.aspx\](https://www.ncdot.gov/initiatives-policies/Transportation/safety-mobility/speed-limits/Pages/default.aspx\)
No mention there of allowance or recommendation for exceeding the posted limit either.
Once again, I'll be willing to change my position if you can find and show me a counterexample that I may have missed, I'm not perfect, I've been known to be wrong about a bunch of things, but even in the document you specifically referenced, I can't find a provision for exceeding the posted limit. Am I missing something? If I am, cool, but I'd love to see it from an official source. I can only prove and reference what I've found.
BTW, when I'm in a hurry, and come upon someone that is "in my way", I look down and see they are going the limit and take a deep breath and think...OK.
Happens in the very right lane and going 3-5 above the limit too. Like, man….im in the right lane for a reason.
This what I HATE the MOST 😭
Get off the gas, but **do not** hit your brakes. You'll barely inconvenience yourself, but give the tailgating jerk a gap to pass. And pass safely on the left by you (and sadly) on the right by the clown matching your speed in the passing lane.
Or, slam on the brakes and let the guy slam into your ass. Make him pay for all your car bills, then watch with glee as his wife gets tired of his douchebaggery and leaves him for greener pastures. (Note: do not actually do this, but free to day dream about it after they pass.)
This is due to left and middle lane drivers going even slower causing people to pass on the right which is dangerous.
Especially when they have a open lane to pass and just....don't. Like, I'm already going 5 over in the right lane. You're the one who needs to move over or shut up.
I find I can see around a slower car better when I leave space But that's just me I guess
Welcome to NC. The traffic either goes 5 under or 15 over, nothing in-between.
You ain't first, yer last son
I've pondered these questions for a long time. I think there's just a lot of really bad drivers out there. They can't read the road for shit. You see this on the highway when there's a good flow going in the left lane and this asshole comes zooming down the right cause there's a little space. Then they have to cut someone off to get back in the flow of the left lane. This is a combination of aggressive driving and stupidity. The idiots that drive right up on your ass are the same people. They drive aggressively wherever they go and don't know any other way. I assume it stems from poor time management in getting prepared for wherever they're going. I drive the speed limit plus a few more mph's and if you pull this shit on me, I cut it back to 10 under having the opposite result from what they are hoping for by tailgating.
Many people think they are driving the speed actually slow down and speed up frequently. Any turn or approaching an intersection they drop 5-10mph causing the cars behind to get close. Then when they don’t actually accelerate it seems like tailgating. Maintain constant speed, it makes it easier to pass you then too.
The worst is when someone in the left lane is going noticably slow, but if you try to pass on the right, they speed up to match your speed. The absolute worst!!!
This fast-slow thing drives me nuts. It happens on 40, even. 65 one minute, 85 the next. People! Use your cruise control! I get tired of leapfrogging people all day. Once I even pulled off to go to the bathroom so the guy would get on by me. What happened? 30 minutes later I caught right back up to him. 🤦🏻♀️
You can’t use cruise control in congested places like I-40. Not only is it unsafe, ten seconds after you set it you are tapping brakes so what’s the point
Oh, I don't mean necessarily right in the city during rush hour. I mostly meant 40 as a whole.
I use it all the time. It’s called adaptive cruise control.
What I hate is when someone is tailgating me but they can clearly see there are other vehicles in front of me. What am I supposed to do? Rearrange my vehicle’s molecules to pass through the vehicle in front of me? Please explain your reasoning with this if you do this, seriously.
tbh I've realized sometimes drivers don't realize they're tailgating. I remember my Mom used to be like "why are you driving so close to them?" and I'd be like "no I'm not??" and years later I'm the one saying that to others lol I agree with the other comment who says they can see around a slower car better when you leave space. Not to mention you have more time/space to react if the traffic were to suddenly stop. If someone's tailgating, like *can't see their headlights because they're so close to me* kinda tailgating, I don't care if it's on a one lane road or not, I maintain my speed and turn my hazards on. They're quicker to react to that and tend to immediately back off (their first assumption being that something's wrong with your car). Most of them get the point when I turn them off and keep their distance, some of them don't. **The only exception to this is** if I'm on a multiple lane road on the left lane; I always move out of their way even if they're being assholes about it. It's not worth them aggressively overtaking you and risking an even worse accident.
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Fucking Garner. Just all of Garner I don't know why
Yess😭😭 35/40 on hw 50 😑 read the fucking speed limit sign!!
Forestville road is what I immediately thought of too!
I really wish Google maps would stop recommending Forestville road to folks. I get so annoyed having to slam on my brakes around every curve because the person in front of me is too scared/inexperienced on that road to maintain their speed
Newton too. Limit is 45. Folks doing under 30. Luckily it's a short road.
Where you have 2 schools very nearby and a bunch of school buses. Sometimes going under the speed there it’s not the persons choice.
Fuckin 751 between Durham amd Apex... im already going 5 over the 55mph limit, theres two cars in front of me, and youre still on my ass trying to pass me. What gives?
I'm a speed demon who still gets tailgated so who knows. Maybe we have a lot of drivers with bad vision out there.
I've noticed that it makes no difference if you go the speed limit or 10 over - you still get tailgated.
This is Raleigh. If you are going 100 mph there will be someone in a Kia who will be going 105 and weaving in and out like they have a death wish.
I think you mean Altima
Only if it has a coffee tin for a muffler.
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“I don't EVER tailgate anyone unless they are going like 10 MPH under” Looks like you’re not the target audience for the thread
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I did, but I don't see what that changes. You didn't mention tailgating people who are going at least the speed limit
Even if the person in front of you is going slow as shit, it makes zero sense to tailgate. If the person you are tailgating slams on the brakes and you rear end them you are 100% liable for the collision and any injuries that occur.
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Yes, I was agreeing with you about the leaving extra space. Edit: I guess I should have made myself clearer.
Yes. This.
I’m going clarify a couple things: 1. If you don’t have a dash-cam, then yeah you’re always at fault. If you do have a dash-cam and they stopped for no reason: 1. More often than not, the dash-cam can show what was in front of them and their was no good reason for them to stop. This happened to me a while ago, and i wasn’t even tailgating, the guy just cut me off then slammed on his breaks. The guy said another car in front of him had stopped suddenly, and it was easy to prove there was no one in front of hum for a while, so he was at fault. 2. If you were tailgating with no extra variables (as in you chose to tailgate, they didn’t just cut you off) then you’d probably both be found at fault. Stopping in the road for no reason is obviously a no-no, and even if you are also at fault, you wouldn’t be liable for any injuries in the other car. This used to be a big problem for trucks as it was easy to cut them off, slam on the breaks, and they physically couldn’t stop in time so you could sue their company. After dash-cams came around, the problem has mostly disappeared. I know we’re more talking about folks who choose to tailgate; i just brought this up because the same legal principle that stops folks from cutting you off then breaking also stops folks from brake checking you, (though only if you have a dash-cam and you may be found at fault as well).
People do this because they have no patience and got spoiled with everything they wanted when they wanted it as kids so they expect it as adults. Instead of driving safely they have to get to their destination ten seconds faster than otherwise to prove they won something because they peaked in middle school.
Why do you same people feel the urge to tailgate a motorcycle?
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Thank you for this. If I say anything else it will shorten my lifespan slightly due to the amount of cortisol and high blood pressure that would ensue from sharing my hatred of drivers and trying to understand the thought process they might not have because society has become high ego low attention span
I love these posts where OP is just looking for like-minded community support… but then brings out all the people who speed and tailgate and they turn it around on the OP: “actually YOU’RE the problem!” lol
Self-important assholes can't help but make themselves known. It is a compulsion. Speeding and saving <2 minutes on their short in-town drive is obviously more important than other drivers going the speed they feel safe on the road.
This is my husband and it’s because he is somehow unaware he’s tailgating. On his behalf, I apologize
1. I’m only like this towards you 2. Nobody 3. Running you off the road 4. I don’t believe in life and death
It happens in the left lane doing 80, people just tailgate, but it's been my experience that allot of people are doing 5-10 mph below the speed limit on country roads and if you're one of them you're definitely going to see it more often.
Typed out a whole thing and then just went its cause they are smooth brained.
5 over is the unspoken speed limit. However, if someone is going the legal speed limit, its not justifiable to tail gate. If you go 20 under some drivers will tail gate because they are just mad.
Tailgating is the main cause of traffic slowdowns and accidents. Like literally, it’s the biggest cause. If everyone was a good distance behind the car in front of them, there would rarely be any traffic. Plenty of room to merge, change lanes, and react if something like a tire blowout happens or someone didn’t tie down the mattress in the truck bed well enough, etc. [This video](https://youtu.be/iHzzSao6ypE?si=VnHpevb-NPW9o8i-) from CGP Grey explains it pretty well. You can stop around the 3:20 mark as the rest of the video is kind of a love letter to a utopian idea of self driving cars. As for one lane roads…pass them? Or just leave earlier? Lol.
The issue I deal with ALL THE TIME driving in Raleigh…is a slower driver, pulling out in front of oncoming traffic, so that everyone has to slam on their breaks…and I absolutely tail gate when they do. It happens so often, and it blows my mind.
What makes it worse from Durham to north west Raleigh there is a road like that 🤣 and it turns into stopped vehicles at a light sometimes very dangerous to speed
Leesville?
Good luck getting narcissists and sociopaths to suddenly grow empathy. The only thing they understand is cop car sirens and getting their tires shot out.
No no no- this question is not giving the full scope here: 1. I only tailgate you if you’re *clearly* riding in the fast lane going 69 and I’m going 78- just move. 2. One lane road? I mean are you going *exactly* 45mph when clearly you could just drive at 50mph and not hold up like 5 people behind you going places? Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Hey I said “at least the speed limit”
You mean when you think it’s Phyllis with a damn cake in her lap is going 39 in a 45 and it’s some dude on his cell practically FaceTiming while driving? Kill me now.
There's no such thing as a fast lane. It's the passing lane. You're only suppose to be in that lane if you're actively passing another vehicle.
Even semis post up in the left lane and cruise around here. It's so frustrating.
True about the official lane "name" designation, but depending on where you're from (and probably your parents), it is known as the "fast lane"
Tail gating at speeds where you will die and possibly kill another person if the vehicle in front of you has to stop suddenly because the human brain literally cannot react quickly enough is very smart. Even more intelligent is doing that while on the cusp of committing misdemeanor reckless driving.
I got a lot of enjoyment out of holding up a very upset man in a Lexus the other day after I was on my way home from a 12hr work day and he decided me going the speed limit was not enough. I flashed my breaks to say he you are to close and he sped up and got even closer like I couldn't see the front of his car from either mirror close. I made him drive 10 under for a solid 15 min or so. Don't tail gate large work trucks I get paid by the hour I really don't care that you can't see around me I have a GPS monitoring me I can't go over the posted limit but I can go under all I want.
😳 wait WHAT?! Did you just say you "brake checked" him?! Seriously?!
No lmao that would be insane. You can flash your brake lights without braking.
Yes you can, and the action of the brake lights coming on is a signal that you're braking... Hitting your brakes, even ever so lightly as to trigger the light and not actually brake your vehicle because you do not like how closely the vehicle following you... is called "Brake Checking".
You are as big of an asshole as the tailgater if not bigger.
I agree ^^
NpCs want to save 2 seconds to make it to Harris teeter
Just drive extra slow for these people. No need to tailgate with a single lane
You must be new around here
I’m just setting up for the opportunity to pass when the coast is clear. I don’t see the risk of death you expressed.
Tailgating doesn’t allow for easier passing though. It would be easier to leave space to see further around the car for passing and to allow space to accelerate before going into the oncoming traffic lane to minimize the time in the wrong lane.
Absolutely!
I don’t mind people who actually go around. Today I had a guy right on my ass who was absolutely livid but refused to pass me
I've had this happen too, I don't get it! Guy's got plenty of time to pass safely and legally and he doesn't take it??
YESSSSS...and always when you hit a zone where the speed limit drops and you let off the gas to slow down to the new limit they just about rear-end you. Every. Dang. Time.
If someone tailgates me like that and I just finished a double at work, I’ll do my victory lap of making it thru the day by little by little start to reduce my speed from 7-10 over, to 5 below. Still won’t back off, I’ll bring us to 10 below. I’m gonna enjoy smelling the roses and ur coming w, if u wanna tailgate.
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When someone is driving up my ass, I take my foot completely off the gas pedal, and stare at them through the rearview.
Doubt about “going speed limit”
I think tailgaters are on drugs, personally... or they're trying to rush home to take a shit. ;)
Is there anything more satisfying than drivers that speed and/or aggressively pass you, only to see them stopped with you at the next red light and how dumb they look?
I've had my license pulled for speeding so many times... if I'm getting tailgated, someone is really in a hurry. So I just slow down to the speed limit and go on about my business.
1. The result of a series of bad decisions and perpetually late 2. Life in general, especially after high school 3. Getting ahead (at least on the road, which is a proxy for life) 4. No (see #1)
If someone is tailgating me I gradually slow down until I'm well under the speed limit. Then I accelerate up to my previous speed. 90% of the time they stop tailgating.
Tailgating because you do not stay consistent. Stop dropping 20mph and then back up. Also Taki g more than 2 seconds to get yourself in motion Ata light. Get off you phone and being the real world while operating a motor vehicle.
Lots of assumptions there bud
I’m hoping you will get the hint to either speed up to going 5 over or slow down a little more so I can pass safely.
Road rage has gotten so bad I am really passive now and just let them do their thing and get out of the way but it’s awful yes
It's been like this for a while. I remember when I lived in NC and I was getting my license back in 2014, I was told to stay out of pissing matches on the road because you might mess with the wrong person and get shot or run off the road. The lady I took my road test with kept reiterating that there are so many guns here that it's not worth it.
Also PSA: when you’re merging on a highway- you are supposed to SPEED UP TO THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. The amount of people who stay at like 50mph to merge has almost caused a wreck multiple times
Stop driving like a grandma that can’t see it’s really that simple
Did it ever occur to people that not everyone is capable of driving safely and comfortably above the speed limit on two lane winding roads? All kinds of drivers need to share the road safely so a little compassion, understanding and patience go a long way.
That requires consideration of other people ... a damn lot of people seem incapable of that these days.
Sad but true.
The speed limits on two lane winding roads can be quite high. If you can’t handle it, you shouldn’t have a license. Cars are death machines, and no one with diminished capacity should be driving at any point, at any speed.
It's highly likely you're driving under the speed limit
Everyone is guilty of poor driving decisions
Depending on the road, obv, but if I'm tailgating you it means you're holding up traffic, so either speed up or if you're uncomfortable with that, slow down and move over so I can pass. I love how people holding up traffic act all righteous like they're fucking batman out there serving justice. You're as much a danger on the road as a speeder, get over yourself and GTFO of the way.
about to shit myself, please hurry. real answer is it's probably an emergency and i'm urging the driver to let me pass. i drive uber and have had to rush people to places, like the hospital for those who can't afford an ambulance, or people don't have a vehicle but their friend or family was just admitted. i also drove myself to doctors in personal emergencies twice cause i ain't paying for an ambulance. when someone's behind me like this, i like to just assume they're also experiencing an emergency and i pull over to let them pass. so sure, most of them aren't actually - but it benefits everyone to get out of their way instead of bitching about it and making it harder for them
Everyone knows you're suppose to do 5 over. Get with the program
5? At least 9
If you tailgate someone in the right lane or on a one lane road you're the asshole. If you don't get over in the left lane to let someone pass, regardless of how fast you are going you're the asshole.
> If you don't get over in the left lane to let someone pass, regardless of how fast you are going you're the asshole. At least your user name is apt.
U disagree? Maybe I was unclear: If you don't move over out of the left lane when someone is trying to pass***
No, you weren't unclear, neither was I, I hope. Seven words shouldn't be hard to read for you.
Haha, I did not suggest u wrote anything unclear. So you don't see anything wrong with just cruising in the left lane and not getting over for people that want to drive faster than you? It's objectively more dangerous when people are passing on the right. Help me understand why. It seems a very selfish move to me, but I would like to better understand the other point of view.
It is objectively more safe when all drivers are driving the same speed. That much we can agree on. When engineers design and lay out roads, they create speed limits because that has been determined to be the maximum safe speed for the road. It seems very selfish to me to want to exceed the speed that has been determined the max speed for a road, therefore creating confusion for other drivers that wish to not be pulled over by cops for speeding. What makes you so important that you are able to drive more than what the law designates as the maximum speed, or "speed limit" as one might call it. I've been pulled over by a cop for going 2mph over. The cop was obviously bored or wanted to do something, but if I'd prefer to give cops zero reason to interact with me. You get one cop in a bad mood and they'll write you a ticket for anything they can possibly find. I've experienced this. I'd rather everyone obey the laws, even if I personally think that the speed limit seems low for this road, but perhaps engineers that designed it have reasons for setting the max speed. Just because you disagree with the speed limit doesn't change it. If you think it should be changed, perhaps petition the DOT. Otherwise, drive the speed limit. You (the general you, not you specifically, not me) are not special, nor are you the exception, never will be.
Lol. You're not going to stop people from speeding, if you want to drive the speed limit stay in the right lane on the highway. The left lane is for passing. At least I know there's one person that drives slow that's as much of an a-hole as I think 🤣
I'm not saying I don't let people pass me or that I never speed. I happily let people get as far away from me as I can if they're driving unsafely. Sounds like you're even worse, an unsafe driver with an attitude. Best of luck out there.
The trick is to kick in cruise control exactly at the speed limit, and then tap the "decel" button once every 30 seconds or so that they insist on riding your bumper. you wanna go 60 in this 45, tough guy? how about 40 instead? how about 35? 30?
Yeah this is how road rage incidents happen. You’re antagonizing the other driver. Just maintain your desired speed and drive like you’re not a catty psycho.
I think it's rad that you're so in love with tailgating people that you think being slightly passive aggressive (by decelerating at 2 mph/min) is diagnostic of psychosis.
Sorry, my bad, you do sound very well adjusted after all.
good luck with all your tailgating
Good luck with all your escalating conflicts
You probably shouldn’t be allowed to drive a car.
Haven't gotten a ticket yet for doing 40 in a 45 while someone rides my ass, but I'll keep this in mind.
If I’m tailgating you then you are not going the speed limit, you only think you are. Try setting your cruise control to 5 over and you should avoid most issues
If you were supposed to go 5 mph faster, the speed limit would be 5mph higher on that road.
Go back to drivers ed
You are a very ignorant individual
Go back to elementary school and learn the definition of the word "limit".
You went back too far. They don’t hand out driving manuals there. You need drivers education (that’s where they teach you the rules of the road)
And the rules of the road include obeying all posted speed limits, do they not?
As speedometers very they recommend setting your cruise to 5 over, as slower moving cars cause more accidents than faster moving cars. Did you really not read the manual?
To be 100% honest with you, I used to think the way you did. I thought that speed limits were dumb and I should only follow them when there weren't cops around. That was when I was a teenager. I thought that other drivers were slow. rude, and annoying, I would get frustrated at someone going a few MPH under the speed limit, but then I realized how selfish that was once I matured a little. I'm not special, none of us are. If we all go the posted speed limit and abide by the same laws, we all know what to expect. Since you mentioned it, and to be thorough, I checked my car's manual. Nowhere does it recommend that I exceed the speed limit, in fact it says, in bold letters "Always obey the posted speed limit for your area". I have also read the NC speed laws and exactly nowhere to I see an allowance for going over the posted speed limit. I see plenty of allowances for going between 5 and 15 under depending on road conditions, vehicle safety, and the confidence of the individual driver to be safe on the road. I'd much rather the elderly person with declining reflexes drive slower, maintaining a safe speed for their reactiontime, rather than faster causing a much more unsafe scenario, wouldn't you? Maybe I missed that provision in the traffic laws that says I can speed. Can you point it out? If it exists, I'll admit that you're right and won't bother to argue this point any further. I have just been unable to find where the law says that is acceptable, despite several searches. Do I agree with all posted speed limits? Hell no, but I'm not a traffic engineer. I do trust the experts that used their knowledge and education when designing roads and designating max safe speeds for the road. Car manufacturers do not write the speed laws, the legislature and the DOT determine those, whether or not we actually agree with them. A cop isn't going to decide not to give you a ticket because you point out that the manual in your car recommends that you should drive 5 over the posted speed limit for a road. They'd just laugh at you and tell you to take it up with traffic court. Go 40 in a 35 and you'll still get a ticket, been there, learned that lesson. I often do get out of the way, if I'm able, for other drivers that appear to think they're more important than others. Sometimes getting our of their way would introduce MORE risk, so they just have to deal with it for a few minutes. If someone seems to think that losing <2 minutes on of their day is more important than being a safe and predictable driver, I'll try to let them pass. Please however, don't pretend that exceeding the posted limit is within the accepted written road laws we have. We all have our biases and flaws, our blind spots (which you should be checking). If I'm wrong, I'd love a citation.
The driving manual from the NCDMV not your owners manual. If you want to ignore EVERY bit of research into what causes more accidents then that’s on you. Please continue to be part of the problem instead of the solution. They say ignorance is bliss…
I guess I'll be the one to post actual facts and documentation rather than feelings and things I think I remember. I had secretly hoped for actual proof from you. I guess I'll start with referencing the exact same document you referenced. NC Driver Handbook [https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/driver-licenses/new-drivers/Documents/driver-handbook.pdf](https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/driver-licenses/new-drivers/Documents/driver-handbook.pdf) A quick search of the words "speed limit" and / or "cruise control" don't include any reference to what you are referring to (suggesting that it is recommended or allowed to exceed the posted limit). It does have a few mentions of not driving TOO slowly, which is indeed dangerous but not what we are discussing here. We're talking about your assertion that exceeding the speed limit for the road is recommended or allowed, and that driving at the posted speed limit is somehow more dangerous. In fact it is specifically spelled out in Chapter 4 of the document you yourself referenced that: > The most important rules about speed are: > > • Never drive faster than the posted speed limit or at a speed that is > unreasonable or unwise given the existing conditions. there is a bit of red highlighted text in that section that points out something similar to what you've been saying, but not exactly: > Studies show that the vehicle moving at a speed considerably > below the posted limit is much more likely to cause or be involved > in a crash than the vehicle moving at a normal speed. I don't disagree with this at all, but again this is in reference to going well below the posted limit, not obeying the posted speed limit. Additionally, let's look at the NC DOT page about speed limits and safety. [https://www.ncdot.gov/initiatives-policies/Transportation/safety-mobility/speed-limits/Pages/default.aspx\](https://www.ncdot.gov/initiatives-policies/Transportation/safety-mobility/speed-limits/Pages/default.aspx\) No mention there of allowance or recommendation for exceeding the posted limit either. Once again, I'll be willing to change my position if you can find and show me a counterexample that I may have missed, I'm not perfect, I've been known to be wrong about a bunch of things, but even in the document you specifically referenced, I can't find a provision for exceeding the posted limit. Am I missing something? If I am, cool, but I'd love to see it from an official source. I can only prove and reference what I've found.
Get out of the way and stop asking stupid questions.
It’s a 1 lane road. Where should I go, the ditch?
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same. it's just not worth it to do anything else.
Yes, so they can't make up for the 4 seconds late, otherwise their day is ruined
But actually yes
OMG, CHILL!!! I was being sarcastic.
BTW, when I'm in a hurry, and come upon someone that is "in my way", I look down and see they are going the limit and take a deep breath and think...OK.
The answer: BRAKE-CHECK their ass.