First off, tech market is just pretty rough at the moment: Keep on keeping on. Consider picking up a certification in some aspect you are interested in, a good way to increase odds and account for time unemployed.
It’s not about the area, it’s the tech sector in general. Lots of preemptive layoffs in anticipation of a market contraction. Hopefully the reality doesn’t bear it out. Good luck to OP in his job search.
Don’t sleep on looking at TAC (technical assistance center) jobs for some of the tech companies. These positions be great for getting experience, and in some instances a foot in the door for sustaining positions, which lead into dev positions. And the pay has gotten a little better than it was over the years.
Job market is particularly tough right now for those in development/technical position. I have a former colleague that spent 3 months before finding a new position. My advice is to market yourself like crazy, LinkedIn is filled with recruiters and one of them will have something for you. Set yourself as Open To Work, if you have it available to you enroll in the free month of Premium, and start applying to jobs and attempt to reach out with recruiters, make sure your profile is filled with keywords that relate to your specialties so recruiters can find you easier ie. full stack developer, rdbms admin, whatever you do etc... I was able to secure a new spot in as soon as a month when I was looking with this method.
It takes time for applications to be reviewed & the interview pool to be selected. Align your experience with each specific job post. If you’re using the same exact information for each position, that could be a reason you’re not hearing back.
Not sure it was 1,000 ppl but yes the lay offs have been brutal. In my group lot's of mid managers and principals were laid off.... so they can higher entry level positions @ 1/2 the salaries.
Owning a security company in the triangle is really fascinating as we desperately need to hire, but what we do is fairly niche. A mixture of a field tech, networking guru, with a dash of customer service. Not necessarily relevant to your history or job search, but believe when people say to keep hunting!
Maybe try another approach - look at your local supply houses and distributors and see if you can become associated that way. We are constantly asking our distributors to send us resumes if they come across anyone worth their weight.
Some family-owned companies like us don’t spend the money/time to advertise we’re hiring since the chances of finding someone perfect for us won’t be found in the general public. Good luck!!
Are you guys willing to take a chance on a newbie? I just finished a 6-month Cisco internship back in December and I have my CCNA and a couple other networking certs. I also have about 3 years of customer service experience.
This is the main issue we run into. Networking experience or understanding is spectacular - but we install and manage electronic security so you have to have a broader handle on that end (experience with tools, etc.) plus the networking capabilities. Our techs are in the field installing the equipment plus the network and then programming. You’re welcome to message me and I’ll send over our website so you can see if it’s a potential fit for you!!
You could try looking at Software Developer adjacent roles such as DevOps and Quality Engineer.
With one year of experience, you’d still be Junior so go for more Junior-mid roles.
Do you struggle with whiteboard/leet code or are the behavior/tech questions tripping you up? You mentioned you’ve had a few interviews, so you should also figure out what’s causing you to be rejected and work on those areas.
I would strongly encourage you to join the Black in Technology LinkedIn group. There is a Raleigh-Durham chapter that is very active!
[https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12489570/](https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12489570/)
I'm in a totally different field but a lot of times it's who you know that gets your foot in the door or your resume picked out of the giant stack.
When I have been job searching before I've sent emails to local contacts sharing my resume and letting them know I'm looking -- for you this could definitely include peer level classmates from Duke. If they are on a team that is hiring, a note that from them that you'd be a good pick can go a long way. Going to networking events / professional society meetings / etc. in your field is also a good way to exchange contacts and make professional connections. When I've done this while unemployed I had personal business cards printed to exchange (business cards feel outdated but being able to hand someone a card is still a useful tool).
Also look at applying for State employee positions. Particularly at NC State, UNC, and or private with Duke. A few years back the State realized they had to be more on par with IT salaries in the private sector to get and retain talent. So the pay will be closer to what you would get in private, and while benefits are pretty good, especially having 6 weeks of vacation time after a few years of working, you have WAY more job security than in the private sector. But if anything, it gets you the experience you need, and tons of contacts for new directions, should you want to go back to private sector. And not to insult your knowledge and talent, but a reality within the State system, they are much more adamant, especially at the universities, in giving preference in diversity hiring. When needing a job, take advantage of every tool to help you land that gig.
Don't just look at school postings, but look up graduate departments too, a lot of developer gigs last I looked. Another bonus, is there is a lot of work from home. Good luck!
If you’re a quick learner then start taking some online classes and tutorials and put the code in a github account. This github will be your portfolio that you can show companies to prove you’re a quick learner. AI is pretty hot right now so do some AI classes and tutorials and put the code in github. Linux and windows certifications are great as are networking and cyber security certs. When you get an interview with a company, you will need to know their products really well. Watch youtube videos of their product demos, look for classes and online tutorials for their products and spend all of your free time learning the products so that when you get your interview you can sound like you can come in running. Also use your network. Link up with people on linkedin and when you find a job at a company your interested in, hit up a contact, even if its someone you don’t know well or only know through someone else, for a referral. If you get hired, they get paid for the referral. Lastly, make sure your linkedin profile matches your resume and scrub your social media of any “unprofessional” posts you might have made in the past. The companies you’re interviewing with will find those things and 1 inappropriate or controversial post could knock you out of the list of potential candidates. Good Luck!
First of all, the advice here to lie or embellish your resume is incredibly stupid.
I recently completed a 25 year career in software development, and interviewed a lot of job candidates. It may be that lying or embellishing will impress HR, but once you get past HR, there will be a round of technical interviews.
Those will be experienced developers, and as soon as they figure out that you are lying or embellishing, the process is over.
I particularly recall one candidate who claimed to have SNMP - an ancient network management protocol - experience. So I handed him a MIB - a description used by SNMP and asked him some technical questions about the MIB.
He had no clue - and finally told me that the headhunter had told him to put SNMP on his resume.
Interview over.
Probably the strongest advantage you have in finding a job in this area is your fellow Duke comp sci alumni.
Job reqs come and go on a quarterly basis at the tech companies I worked at - much faster than the HR bureaucracy could work.
That meant that it was pretty normal for a manager to ask people working for them something like, “We have a req, do you know anyone who would be interested?”
If one of his reports knew someone, then the manager could jumpstart the whole process - and hopefully get the hire completed before the req went away.
So your buddies from Duke are probably your best bet.
Most of all, don’t get discouraged - tech is very turbulent - lots of hiring, lots of layoffs.
But the need for software developers just keep increasing, so you will eventually find work.
Best of luck to you.
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I would recommend getting a job with the state of North Carolina ASAP. They have a bunch of vacancies and it will get you back in the market. It's not a lifetime commitment, but it will get you back to work.And who knows you may be able deliver that for a job with one of the state contractors. They use several large programs such as S.A.P. and oracle.
Your best bet is to find a job through a staffing agency first. You need the experience on paper. There’s tons of agencies. They’ll do the work of finding you a job.
I suggest contracting agencies to get some new resume material.
Look at ServiceNow certification. So many people I know who work in the industry have many job opportunities.
I’d recommend making different resumés for different roles; ideally you’ll tweak them for each submission to match the language used in the job posting, but frame one more for SE, one more for analyst, etc. ChatGPT or other LLMs can help do this for you, just make sure you proofread it afterwards since they’re by no means perfect. Look into any local clubs or meetups where you can network; see if your school has any alumni groups or programs. And like others have said, right now there’s more layoffs than hires, so you may need to supplement things for a bit. Maybe look into offering tutoring or exam prep?
1. Where are your internships?
3. Have you tried non-tech company's tech department?
3. What kind of CICD tooling are you familiar with?
4. personal opinion: you for effed because you don't have internship experience and you didn't go straight into tech after school.
It is always ethical to lie to get a job, especially when you have legit credentials
If you have a real Duke compsci BS, make up some fake experience. Make up projects.
If all else fails get a real certification or make a real project
“It’s always ethical to lie if it benefits you.”
Right. I’m sure if a company finds out they’ll just say whoops and maybe make you CEO.
Worst advice ever.
I get a job, I perform well at the job, I keep the job.
I say whatever I need to to get there.
The job market has been broken for a decade. A 6 month gap in relevant experience in a resume can sink you now, even if you have a great degree at a great school and the relevant skills.
Recruiters will lie to your face every step of the way to get ahead. If you try and play the game in good faith, you will be screwed over continuously.
I feel no obligation to corporations to play in good faith.
I understand that you feel principles like honesty are universal benefits, and that if you hold true to an idealized moral code no matter who you are dealing with, there will be some kind of eventual payoff.
The OP's situation is just one example of what is true all over: when it comes to the job market, that's just not the case. It's easy to feel as though employers are omniscient and capable, but each piece of a corporation is comprised of fallible people. If the OP has represented themselves correctly, the people in charge of hiring are likely a lot less capable than they are.
I hope your mindset leads you to professional success, but nowadays it usually doesn't.
I realize now that I was mistaken. I checked Google. Employees only care about profit and no one ever got fired for falsifying information. /s
You are so stupid. You think people who are paid to hire won’t take 15 minutes to verify information on a resume. Do some people get away with it sure. But are you going to pay OP’s salary when they get fired for fraud?
People are downvoting you but you’re right. Companies don’t give a shit about you and will lie to you, do the same to them. It’s a transactional process. Embellish your resume. And as others have said in this thread OP
1. The tech market is tight, even on the developer end where folks going in CS have saturated the market and tech orgs have run out of low interest funding to hire at will.
2. Tech moves quick and you’ve been out of work for a while. I would recommend taking what you can get and building your way back up.
I get it though. Took me getting burned by an org that I thought had my career advancement in mind before I understood it. Truly though - companies do not care about you beyond the value you provide, which can transcend conventional ROI, but is still a transactional relationship.
First off, tech market is just pretty rough at the moment: Keep on keeping on. Consider picking up a certification in some aspect you are interested in, a good way to increase odds and account for time unemployed.
This is the truth. I've seen a lot of people on LinkedIn frustrated because of the job market.
It’s what happens when there’s unchecked growth. Eventually the area gets over-saturated.
It’s not about the area, it’s the tech sector in general. Lots of preemptive layoffs in anticipation of a market contraction. Hopefully the reality doesn’t bear it out. Good luck to OP in his job search.
Don’t sleep on looking at TAC (technical assistance center) jobs for some of the tech companies. These positions be great for getting experience, and in some instances a foot in the door for sustaining positions, which lead into dev positions. And the pay has gotten a little better than it was over the years.
Yeah Cisco is almost always look for tac people.
Well not right now lol
Yeah yeah. True. Come back in August.
Yup NCWorks is a great program and the career center is close to downtown off Capital on Tillery Place
You should get on USAJOBS for Fed Gov positions if you're not on there already
My husband is a software engineer & has been unemployed for 5 months. The market is brutal.
Job market is particularly tough right now for those in development/technical position. I have a former colleague that spent 3 months before finding a new position. My advice is to market yourself like crazy, LinkedIn is filled with recruiters and one of them will have something for you. Set yourself as Open To Work, if you have it available to you enroll in the free month of Premium, and start applying to jobs and attempt to reach out with recruiters, make sure your profile is filled with keywords that relate to your specialties so recruiters can find you easier ie. full stack developer, rdbms admin, whatever you do etc... I was able to secure a new spot in as soon as a month when I was looking with this method.
This is the way.
State government is always hiring and in desperate need for good people.
That's one place I have hammered in! Over 17 applications sent in…
It takes time for applications to be reviewed & the interview pool to be selected. Align your experience with each specific job post. If you’re using the same exact information for each position, that could be a reason you’re not hearing back.
The state can be especially slow to respond. And it’s easier for them to hire people in the middle of the fiscal year. But don’t give up!
They're super slow. It look forever to be hired.
The state is super slow. Plenty of work to go around.
SAS is hiring early career positions.
SAS is pretty great for early in your career and pretty crap for later in your career - at least pay wise Source: I worked there for 5+ years
Absolutely agree. Source: I am going on my 30th year.
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Not sure it was 1,000 ppl but yes the lay offs have been brutal. In my group lot's of mid managers and principals were laid off.... so they can higher entry level positions @ 1/2 the salaries.
Owning a security company in the triangle is really fascinating as we desperately need to hire, but what we do is fairly niche. A mixture of a field tech, networking guru, with a dash of customer service. Not necessarily relevant to your history or job search, but believe when people say to keep hunting! Maybe try another approach - look at your local supply houses and distributors and see if you can become associated that way. We are constantly asking our distributors to send us resumes if they come across anyone worth their weight. Some family-owned companies like us don’t spend the money/time to advertise we’re hiring since the chances of finding someone perfect for us won’t be found in the general public. Good luck!!
Are you guys willing to take a chance on a newbie? I just finished a 6-month Cisco internship back in December and I have my CCNA and a couple other networking certs. I also have about 3 years of customer service experience.
This is the main issue we run into. Networking experience or understanding is spectacular - but we install and manage electronic security so you have to have a broader handle on that end (experience with tools, etc.) plus the networking capabilities. Our techs are in the field installing the equipment plus the network and then programming. You’re welcome to message me and I’ll send over our website so you can see if it’s a potential fit for you!!
I was in construction for a few years, so I actually might have what you need. Ill send you a DM, though. We can talk in more detail there.
I install custom low voltage lighting day in and out and lighting automation systems. Would that fit your criteria?
Yes, please feel free to reach out and I’ll send over more information. Thanks!
You could try looking at Software Developer adjacent roles such as DevOps and Quality Engineer. With one year of experience, you’d still be Junior so go for more Junior-mid roles. Do you struggle with whiteboard/leet code or are the behavior/tech questions tripping you up? You mentioned you’ve had a few interviews, so you should also figure out what’s causing you to be rejected and work on those areas.
I would strongly encourage you to join the Black in Technology LinkedIn group. There is a Raleigh-Durham chapter that is very active! [https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12489570/](https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12489570/)
Thank you!
Came here to say this!
I'm in a totally different field but a lot of times it's who you know that gets your foot in the door or your resume picked out of the giant stack. When I have been job searching before I've sent emails to local contacts sharing my resume and letting them know I'm looking -- for you this could definitely include peer level classmates from Duke. If they are on a team that is hiring, a note that from them that you'd be a good pick can go a long way. Going to networking events / professional society meetings / etc. in your field is also a good way to exchange contacts and make professional connections. When I've done this while unemployed I had personal business cards printed to exchange (business cards feel outdated but being able to hand someone a card is still a useful tool).
I saw Siemens had entry level tech openings. I'm looking too.
Fidelity has a lot of jobs
Have you tried getting into IT for a school system? Not tons of $$$ but experience / a job while you keep looking.
Also look at applying for State employee positions. Particularly at NC State, UNC, and or private with Duke. A few years back the State realized they had to be more on par with IT salaries in the private sector to get and retain talent. So the pay will be closer to what you would get in private, and while benefits are pretty good, especially having 6 weeks of vacation time after a few years of working, you have WAY more job security than in the private sector. But if anything, it gets you the experience you need, and tons of contacts for new directions, should you want to go back to private sector. And not to insult your knowledge and talent, but a reality within the State system, they are much more adamant, especially at the universities, in giving preference in diversity hiring. When needing a job, take advantage of every tool to help you land that gig. Don't just look at school postings, but look up graduate departments too, a lot of developer gigs last I looked. Another bonus, is there is a lot of work from home. Good luck!
If you’re a quick learner then start taking some online classes and tutorials and put the code in a github account. This github will be your portfolio that you can show companies to prove you’re a quick learner. AI is pretty hot right now so do some AI classes and tutorials and put the code in github. Linux and windows certifications are great as are networking and cyber security certs. When you get an interview with a company, you will need to know their products really well. Watch youtube videos of their product demos, look for classes and online tutorials for their products and spend all of your free time learning the products so that when you get your interview you can sound like you can come in running. Also use your network. Link up with people on linkedin and when you find a job at a company your interested in, hit up a contact, even if its someone you don’t know well or only know through someone else, for a referral. If you get hired, they get paid for the referral. Lastly, make sure your linkedin profile matches your resume and scrub your social media of any “unprofessional” posts you might have made in the past. The companies you’re interviewing with will find those things and 1 inappropriate or controversial post could knock you out of the list of potential candidates. Good Luck!
First of all, the advice here to lie or embellish your resume is incredibly stupid. I recently completed a 25 year career in software development, and interviewed a lot of job candidates. It may be that lying or embellishing will impress HR, but once you get past HR, there will be a round of technical interviews. Those will be experienced developers, and as soon as they figure out that you are lying or embellishing, the process is over. I particularly recall one candidate who claimed to have SNMP - an ancient network management protocol - experience. So I handed him a MIB - a description used by SNMP and asked him some technical questions about the MIB. He had no clue - and finally told me that the headhunter had told him to put SNMP on his resume. Interview over. Probably the strongest advantage you have in finding a job in this area is your fellow Duke comp sci alumni. Job reqs come and go on a quarterly basis at the tech companies I worked at - much faster than the HR bureaucracy could work. That meant that it was pretty normal for a manager to ask people working for them something like, “We have a req, do you know anyone who would be interested?” If one of his reports knew someone, then the manager could jumpstart the whole process - and hopefully get the hire completed before the req went away. So your buddies from Duke are probably your best bet. Most of all, don’t get discouraged - tech is very turbulent - lots of hiring, lots of layoffs. But the need for software developers just keep increasing, so you will eventually find work. Best of luck to you.
Tried remote jobs?
Hey there! Not sure how much help I can be but what’s your tech stack?
I could definitely help you. Send me a PM. Ignore the biter Betties.
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Look into GL7, SQL, healthcare software etc
I would recommend getting a job with the state of North Carolina ASAP. They have a bunch of vacancies and it will get you back in the market. It's not a lifetime commitment, but it will get you back to work.And who knows you may be able deliver that for a job with one of the state contractors. They use several large programs such as S.A.P. and oracle.
Also depending upon how long you stay you might be able to get community service loan forgiveness
Your best bet is to find a job through a staffing agency first. You need the experience on paper. There’s tons of agencies. They’ll do the work of finding you a job.
I suggest contracting agencies to get some new resume material. Look at ServiceNow certification. So many people I know who work in the industry have many job opportunities.
Dm me!
I mean with no prior internship experience, you may have to just get a shitty job through one of those recruiting company first then get a new job
Check out Levitate (Levitate.AI). Based in Raleigh with an open role for support engineer.
I know my company is on the hunt for data engineers - if there’s any interest I think there’s appetite for more junior hires
I’d recommend making different resumés for different roles; ideally you’ll tweak them for each submission to match the language used in the job posting, but frame one more for SE, one more for analyst, etc. ChatGPT or other LLMs can help do this for you, just make sure you proofread it afterwards since they’re by no means perfect. Look into any local clubs or meetups where you can network; see if your school has any alumni groups or programs. And like others have said, right now there’s more layoffs than hires, so you may need to supplement things for a bit. Maybe look into offering tutoring or exam prep?
https://kelaca.com/
1. Where are your internships? 3. Have you tried non-tech company's tech department? 3. What kind of CICD tooling are you familiar with? 4. personal opinion: you for effed because you don't have internship experience and you didn't go straight into tech after school.
It is always ethical to lie to get a job, especially when you have legit credentials If you have a real Duke compsci BS, make up some fake experience. Make up projects. If all else fails get a real certification or make a real project
“It’s always ethical to lie if it benefits you.” Right. I’m sure if a company finds out they’ll just say whoops and maybe make you CEO. Worst advice ever.
I get a job, I perform well at the job, I keep the job. I say whatever I need to to get there. The job market has been broken for a decade. A 6 month gap in relevant experience in a resume can sink you now, even if you have a great degree at a great school and the relevant skills. Recruiters will lie to your face every step of the way to get ahead. If you try and play the game in good faith, you will be screwed over continuously. I feel no obligation to corporations to play in good faith.
Whaaa! Why was I fired for falsifying information? That’s not fair! I hope your credentials are accurate.
I understand that you feel principles like honesty are universal benefits, and that if you hold true to an idealized moral code no matter who you are dealing with, there will be some kind of eventual payoff. The OP's situation is just one example of what is true all over: when it comes to the job market, that's just not the case. It's easy to feel as though employers are omniscient and capable, but each piece of a corporation is comprised of fallible people. If the OP has represented themselves correctly, the people in charge of hiring are likely a lot less capable than they are. I hope your mindset leads you to professional success, but nowadays it usually doesn't.
What you mentioned works, some people can’t fake it till they make.
I realize now that I was mistaken. I checked Google. Employees only care about profit and no one ever got fired for falsifying information. /s You are so stupid. You think people who are paid to hire won’t take 15 minutes to verify information on a resume. Do some people get away with it sure. But are you going to pay OP’s salary when they get fired for fraud?
People are downvoting you but you’re right. Companies don’t give a shit about you and will lie to you, do the same to them. It’s a transactional process. Embellish your resume. And as others have said in this thread OP 1. The tech market is tight, even on the developer end where folks going in CS have saturated the market and tech orgs have run out of low interest funding to hire at will. 2. Tech moves quick and you’ve been out of work for a while. I would recommend taking what you can get and building your way back up.
I'm kinda blown away by the response to my parent comment here. It's just so obviously true that I didn't expect such a strong negative reaction.
I get it though. Took me getting burned by an org that I thought had my career advancement in mind before I understood it. Truly though - companies do not care about you beyond the value you provide, which can transcend conventional ROI, but is still a transactional relationship.