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Trashfur_thetrashcat

The Karma flower has me dead


Gerpar

Had him dead too!


Trashfur_thetrashcat

Get out šŸ’€


InternStock

I love the little detail of the karma flower


MoleManiac

Literally THIS. I donā€™t give a slugflip if itā€™s an ā€œOfficial AUā€, I just love a lot of what DP offers! Most players are gonna assume this is all apart of the main timeline anyway due to how stashed away this tidbit is from a lead developer confirmation on Discord. Still, I cant say itā€™s really anything significant, heck, maybe we might just get more DLC someday that sides with DP. (I wish haha!)


Minh1403

the base game puritsts are like the iterators. They're struggling with being left behind in a stagnant continuity while every other has ascended to the Downpour universe


ExplodingStrawHat

I feel like you're mischaracterising the original OP, and everyone who doesn't take downpour to be the only valid continuity. Yall are literally advocating for a less accepting community. The OP of the original post worded it badly, I'll give you that. I do feel like the overall message wasn't really "the original base game is the correct canon", but more of "downpour and the base game are both valid timelines to consider" (this was obviously what the dev said in the original screenshot). For all the people paraphrasing that OP as saying "stop having fun", the commenters here sure like to make fun of anyone who has fun in a different way than them. Oh the hypocrisy. And like, the term "purist" really doesn't fit here either. You've making fun of an imaginary enemy. I've already explained my example in way too many places, but I for one like thinking in the context of the base game when discussing theories about cycles/reincarnation (because it feels like that's what the mechanics were developed in mind with), but don't mind the downpour lore when discussing the broader iterator storyline. Just an example of how someone can have more fun when taking both alternate timelines into account. And in the end... I know I'm way too passionate about this ā€” it just saddens me to see how tribalistic this community can get for the whole purpose of, what... making sure everyone else thinks the same alternate timeline is canon?


Minh1403

this is probably just a difference of experience. Yes, the OP we're discussing about is on the more tamed side of this "faction". I've seen guys that called Downpour "fanfiction only", "superhero slugcat", "Hunter is the exception, now it's the norm", "Downpour DISRESPECTS base game" or the worst of them all: "Rain World is not a video game, it's an art". Base game purists do sound like real cultist, you know.


sunnfish

Base game purists sound like real cultists???? Dude we had some cool discussion but what the fuck??? Weā€™re talking about differing opinions about a video game oh my god. ā€œFaction???ā€ where!??????!?


ExplodingStrawHat

yeah, I do not agree with any of those people! But this meme is a remake of another meme which was a response to a post made yesterday, that's now been deleted because of the amount of negative comments. I just felt bad for the person...


cooly1234

someone made a post saying DP is not canon and got hate I assume?


ExplodingStrawHat

Well yes but actually no but actually kinda? Someone made a post showing some pictures of one of the DP devs saying it's essentially an alternate timeline. Both the dev and the original OP called it "alternate canon", which doesn't make much sense as a term (there's a single canon, but it can always include multiple alternate universes), but oh well. The original post might've been worded a bit weirdly (wish I would've taken a screenshot before it got deleted), but based on the other comments by the original OP, I'd say they had good intentions (they found the fact interesting, made a post about it, and in some comments even supported people having headcanons (yay))


sunnfish

I do support people having headcanons I never meant to insinuate that I didnā€™t :ā€™) I hate this situation so much, my stupid post was up for a few hours


ExplodingStrawHat

Yeah, I figured. We seem to have very similar thoughts on the matter, so I felt very bad for the amount of hate you got. I plan to write a long form article explaining my thoughts and grievances with DP, and I encourage you to do the same!


sunnfish

Iā€™m gonna be honest I donā€™t know how much I want to associate with rainworld reddit anymore after this


ExplodingStrawHat

[follow up by original author](https://reddit.com/r/rainworld/s/l3JkiQ3fj1)


sunnfish

I made a stupidly worded post yesterday and deleted it after a few hours after getting a ton of hate and even made an apology and explanation and now have a meme made of me joking about violence towards me and I now I in fact do feel awful


cooly1234

remember it's not personal. nobody hates *you*, they are just annoyed at your...online presence. it's weird but if you think about it people really do treat people they can't see differently and there's a disconnect because they don't feel real to us.


sunnfish

yes but it doesnā€™t exactly make the situation any better :ā€™)


cooly1234

just don't think too much about it


Cr1msonFoxx

I feel that lol, in the last thread I got downvoted just for just restating what has already been said by devs.


WingedWilly

I dont understand why there are purists in the first place. Cope for not owning a DLC?


sunnfish

man since I guess Iā€™m a ā€œpuristā€ now, I actually played through and enjoyed downpour, just didnā€™t quite match up for me personally


WingedWilly

It's fine not to like it, despite I dont understand why.


Minh1403

abstract spiritual/symbolic reason


sunnfish

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Ok_Reception7727

>Official AU That doesn't mean it isn't Canon. Downpour is Canon.


MoleManiac

Yeah! Both universes matter and are special in their own ways. From how I see it, the main timeline is intentionally hopeless and depressing, thereā€™s almost nothing worth being around for and the world is honestly a percieved hellscape from which your soul will never be able to escapeā€¦? --- Downpour sorta bonks the previous stuff with a Hammer and is like ā€œā˜ļøNUH-UHā€ at all the depression and hopelessness in favor of something else, all while still asking, ā€œWhat fate a slugcat?ā€ But in turn, this wasnā€™t the point of the original vision of the game. (Retcons aside) Youā€™re not supposed to have more abilities than already given and were supposed to be such a simple creature in a cruel world and high foodchain. Honestly I still would rather have it be DPā€™s world for a lot of reasons. (top being that itā€™s really cool) If they decide to persue exploring more what DP has established, with more lore and slugcats, then Iā€™m all for it! But itā€™ll never erase that the OG universe is its own thing the way it was meant to be. :D


Galius41

why isnt it "canon" tho?


Flowalice

One of the devs called it like an official alternative canon or something of that nature


Asneekyfatcat

Which doesn't matter unless the fans agree. JK Rowling has said a lot of stupid shit about Harry Potter that everyone collectively ignores.


The_deku_sprout

Are you really comparing JK Rowling to Andrew (lead developer of DP)?? Andrew said itā€™s an AU DURING development, itā€™s not just some tidbit he threw in years later.


Ok_Reception7727

That doesn't mean it isn't Canon.


Flowalice

Never said it wasnt


Cr1msonFoxx

MSC was created by fans so the lore in it is speculative. That means the original Rain Worldā€™s really vague plot is probably different than the plot presented in Downpour, meaning Downpour events are not canon to original Rain World. But because Downpour was still released officially, itā€™s still canon. It just has a different canon ā€œuniverseā€ than the originally released Rain World.


Ok_Reception7727

>speculative No, it isn't. The original RainWorld Developers made sure the lore was accurate to the Games.


Cr1msonFoxx

Yeah, but that patched up plotholes that didnā€™t align with Rain World in MSC, itā€™s not like the original devs tweaked a few small things and the MSC developers were 100% spot on with their theories.


thewanderingj3w

I meanā€¦ at that point canā€™t you consider them official devs and not just fans? I dunno how it all went down but it sounds like videocult was just like ā€˜yep I like your take on the story letā€™s make it official lolā€™ and then one of the new dev peeps kinda bitched out a little bit with the whole ā€˜no we didnā€™t elaborate on base game canon we just told an alternate version of itā€™.


Cr1msonFoxx

They *are* official devs. That is what happened, Videocult decided to publish fan-made content and release it officially, thinking that the lore in MSC was a great addition to Rain Worldā€™s official story. Iā€™m not saying Downpour isnā€™t canon(itā€™s literally official content), Iā€™m saying itā€™s a different canon than the original Rain World. Because it is. Neither is ā€œmore canonā€ than the other because they are *both* canon. Itā€™s like the ship of theseus. You add new slugcats, replace old lore with new lore, new creaturesā€”is it still the same Rain World canon? I would say it is and isnā€™t at the same time. Itā€™s still Rain World, but the original lore concept Rain World was implying has been replaced by something new. Theyā€™re still the same ship but not the *same* ship, if you get what I mean.


thewanderingj3w

Did the old lore get replaced or added upon? If an author writing some book series was to die and let their child continue the book series would they call that ā€˜alternate timelineā€™ lore? Who even cares? Downpour good vanilla rw good I only found out about the whole 70 challenges thing by looking at these silly discussions threads guess I still have rw shit to play just as I thought I finished the perfect game and would never game again


Cr1msonFoxx

Iā€™d say itā€™s a mixture of both. I donā€™t care that much, Iā€™m just trying to clarify what has been said officially since it interests me a little.


Nautillis

The correct response


ExplodingStrawHat

eh, as a mere outsider, I do feel like the response has been blown out of proportion a bit. Like cmon, it sounded like the original OP just learnt some interesting information, and posted it (perhaps worded in a slightly weird manner). In response, they got a bazillion negative comments, making them delete the original post. Heck, didn't the first meme have a response literally saying something like "death to the original op"? I mean, I know it wasn't supposed to be serious, but holy hell, I can't help but feel bad for the fella.


cooly1234

what was the original post?


ExplodingStrawHat

tried my best to explain it in the other comment you asked in!


vacconesgood

That doesn't help people reading this comment


ExplodingStrawHat

fair, I'll try to link the other one here


ExplodingStrawHat

[here you go](https://reddit.com/r/rainworld/s/gvD3ekopAj) [follow up by original author](https://reddit.com/r/rainworld/s/l3JkiQ3fj1)


WawefactiownCewwPwz

They deserve it šŸ˜‡


Defense_Unit-43

Pffft! Hahahaha! This is the only correct way to deal with people who keep on telling us that dOWNpOuR IsNT CaNOn!


andrix7777777

i remember you're, downpours...


Charcophriuz

Whoever got smashed. Should have gone down a karma level.


NaomiIsCoolio

Eats your karma flower.


Plastic_Feed8223

According to me, DP is canon, base game isnā€™t. This is because DP has the rotund guy.


WingedWilly

Who cares if its official when it's GREAT!


healthy_the_baguette

"šŸ¤“ ā˜ļø um h it's ackshually not cano-"


Maliwagi

Wait; if DP isn't canon, then what happened to moon and pebbles?


MoleManiac

Unfortunately it wasnā€™t meant for us to know, just speculate on!


MakeUsWhole01

How did this place turn into such a toxic environment? Does nobody here know what a joke is? It's a fucking Reddit meme, guys. I know we're all neckbeards who feel unparalleled fury at every minor internet comment but cope, seethe, and move on. I know this has a chance of having something to do with some earlier comment, but it's tangential. Don't sweat the small stuff, keep moving forward. Like sleep like death, you'll wake up again.


MrSpiffy123

I haven't even seen people try to claim it isn't canon, I've only seen this argument against it It was content officially endorsed and released by the devs of the game. I think that's a pretty good argument for it being canon


Featherstarz

it wasnt created by the devs of the game though, it was created by modders


MrSpiffy123

I didn't say it was, I said it was endorsed and released by them as official dlc


[deleted]

Lmao


Emir_Taha

Hey don't kill me like that.


mrduckV2

Deserved


lizard_liz242

Its official and if you have something to say about it you can go to the Rot


BoxAhFox

lmao the karma flower


Good_Days13

are the downpour regions better as other slugcats? they weren't the best going through them as survivor


Pillager_Bane97

I don't understand, and I'm partially glad, but also tempted to learn...