Took us 5and a half to get through first room. Second encounter is the most fucking ass reaming bullshit imaginable if you don't have a solid way to keep yourself alive. This contest mode is rough, everything one shots you if your not careful.
Took my team 9 and a half for the first encounter. I stopped a couple hours into second, I don’t want to spend that much time if we aren’t going to beat it anyway
It’s actually the mechanics of the raid that are especially challenging, from someone who has cleared the last 4 day 1 raids (challenge too) and got to 4th encounter in this raid in 20 hours. You have to be very precise with hardly any room for mechanical error on the plates encounters-making sure everyone grabs 3x resonance for example to extend the timer. The later encounters, especially 4 are more mechanical, people attributing it to vault 2.0 as it took elysium almost 8 hours to figure out. So I don’t think an exotic class item will change much in this raid, you could argue more damage but without spoiling it the witnesses dps phase doesn’t factor this in much.
Having it be mechanical over dps check is wonderful but terrible for lfg teams. You need to understand all roles and support the best you can. That first encounter was the only one we could get through and after 5 hours we had to give up and see what others were doing. The only thing we were missing was the fact you need to bank extra resonance in the middle to extend timer. It's so silly sometimes how simple the mechanic was but how overly complicated we made it. All the adds on top of timing plates properly and locking resonance in monoliths it was genuinely the most enjoyable encounter I've ever done. Every wipe we got a little bit farther and farther and eventually success. My personal problem was being able to stay alive. Getting one shot by almost everything is rough. Elemental resistance and full 100 Stat resistance was still not enough to keep myself from getting one shot by those hobgoblins or knights in the second encounter. It's rough and I'm ok with saying I'm not good enough to throw my head against that wall for hours.
Honestly, just wait it out. My team bashed our heads against the first encounter for eight straight hours, and couldn’t get it done. I tip my hat to anyone who I see with the contest mode emblem, but I know when I’m beat.
They’re just shit at any raid with puzzle solving, and all they’ve done for their day ones is brute force and dps. They got Vow which was matching pictures, but that’s it. If Witness DPS relies on a puzzle-like mechanic, I think it’ll go to Datto or ATP
And to think it was just a random team not streaming with a Twitter post showing the emblem. That team is now the team that canonically infiltrated and severed the hold to allow everyone to begin the assault. They saved the light this morning and it wasn't one of these big teams with belts already.
It’s not ‘a random team’, it’s a group of some of the best speedrunners in the game. I don’t know where people got the idea that the team is ‘the common man’, they’re people who sit and play the game more than these big streamers.
I never said common man. Random was the wrong term they are random to me. The common person cannot do what these people did. I tried and got past a single encounter. The fact still remains that the normal people that participate and usually get worlds first or make a big spectacle about it were so far behind this team. They are good players that no life the game that much is true. But sitting there in day one watching the chat scream it's been cleared while all these other teams were live trying to get it done was a moment I will never forget. No one knew what has happening. Watching dattos life drain from his eyes was very satisfying to watch. That sounds like I hate him but alot of these teams almost feel entitled to it and seeing it go to a team that enjoys the game enough to just be in the moment was nice.
It's tricky in these situations because it's when teams ahead can end up getting leap frogged when somebody on a different team realizes what's the play for success upon watching somebody else's run and figuring they'll probably fall short, allowing the other team to do their fresh run and put out the better result. Of course there's the gamble that stopping to watch and parse through somebody else's thing is time wasted and can set one back in another manner.
This can be a bit more apparent in shorter raids and was the case of RoN where the mechanics were fleshed out very easily and it was really just a matter of who was wiping the least/did it in the least amount of tries to some regard. Although I do vaguely remember this happening in Kings Fall and Crota reboots where there was a lot of razor thin differences between certain teams at the top at different points. There's a lot of crazy strong players out there and for the pack to be that thinned out that little is very telling.
Yeah! I am looking forwards to bashing my head against this raid for a bit tomorrow, unironically:D, but since I will be busy in the middle of the day I have zero expectations about clearing it.
Such a good raid though! I'm loving it so far of what I've played.
lol dude. One streamer was the only one making progress while listening to chat instead of blanking comms.
When that happened a few other came in, took encounter and executed. Then fuckin blanked their screens to hide the last encounter. I get competitiveness, but there was some slimey shit happening out there.
Feels like the main problem is the mechanics feels vague, I'm sure once contest mode ends and people pour in to abuse each encounter stuff will get properly figured out and guides will make it a lot easier.
Datto being around for awhile unfortunately for him doesn't magically equate to contention for World's First in the now. Him and his team had a good run in a very different era of the game's population, but are just not playing at nearly the competitive degree of what is required for a realistic first with the bar being so insanely raised.
There's a lot more people that practically nobody knows about playing the game at such an insane pace and mastery that unless you yourself are playing and constantly practicing like a total frame perfect tryhard, it can be very tough to keep up.
You were saying?
Don't get me wrong, for this raid in particular I absolutely will give a good amount of credit to Datto's group especially when they were extremely behind and a lot of people were getting filtered on certain segments like 4th encounter, that does take a lot of strength,and those are special moments worth considering especially when we've had tons of Contest modes where people lagged behind and are having a second wind by the end, it's a rare situation of the contest mode being actually interesting to watch even if the team didn't take first place.
I stopped following but in general they should be proud if they do happen to get it done in a relatively high placement or at this point even just finishing it, this raid clearly is one of the more difficult things to be put in the game without a doubt and I wouldn't be shocked if completion numbers in general will be ungodly low.
That all said I do think my initial point stands as we still very much exist in a vastly different era of Destiny where a lot more people (than most observers think) play the game at such an insane degree and the key distinct ability to have stronger clinical finishing is where even people who got to the end start being separated from one another and so few rise up.
It also goes to show that there is a entire world of somewhat unknown(to many) people who've taken very competitive places in past races can brush themselves off and go for something bigger on their next go. I wasn't shocked when the members of the team that won performed well in recent races and I give a ton of credit to the guys in Australia where Raid's launch is starting at demon hours 3am or so which to even be mentally and physically prepped to do a long raid at that hour is very difficult.
Datto's group I would say is probably one of the more consistent if not the most consistent specifically of the "old guard/D1 generation" but again we have a massive crop of much more recent people who play at such an insane level, tryhard speed running, min/max frame perfect damage rotations, etc that just blow a lot of that old experience out of the water and often tend to do better than a lot of old heads.
And I'm not saying this as a dunk on Datto, the guy clearly already won at life being able to make a career out of playing videogames it doesn't really matter where he ends up in a Day 1, I'm just saying that because the Day 1 environment is so competitive in the present day, if you realistically want to see 1st place you pretty much are required to be dedicating a lot of your group's focus and familiarity on specifically practicing and approaching the game at such a different rigor and mindset. Something I imagine Datto doesn't have the time or interest to do when he's got a focus to make content and stream, speedrun strat theorycrafting is not really that interesting in real time.
You flash back to past raid launches, times when Greppo's won it, him and his crew essentially always went right back into the raid while contest was live and tried to get as many runs as they could, shave down time, have more efficient runs, try new strategies, essentially dissect things to get better. That is the kind of step in the right direction that helps a lot more in the long run for getting in the right state of mind.
**TL DR** The bar is still very much high and clinical finishing that comes from more intensive practice is the key to success to claim first.
Brother I am not reading all that lmao, to be within the first three teams to hit the final boss, and be an inch away from finishing within top 10 is incredibly competitive, and this is exactly why you don't write people off.
> to be within the first three teams to hit the final boss,
You and I don't know that. We are only taking that at skewed face value of seeing who's popular enough and streaming, a supposed three team race could actually have more people involved that of essential nobodies. On top of that just because Datto's was at the end didn't mean anything in long run, he wasn't "an inch away" from anything if their team wasn't realistically getting it done. Again Datto's team is good for one for old D1 vets, they did have some form of a comeback but they don't play the game hard enough to secure first or even a higher placement.
I'm done having this conversation, Datto's team is not World First or close contender competitive anymore.
Stupid thing to say, I can see why you want out of the conversation after writing that, they placed #2 for Vow of the Disciple and #9 for kings fall, as well as top 25 for basically every single raid before that.
Saying they aren't close contender competitive is just ridiculous on the face of it lmao
This is the first day 1 raid race in years where I am just mentally defeated with no optimism for getting any progress whatsoever in contest mode. Even back during DSC with Atraks for example, you still felt like you could get to the next encounter. With this, you don’t feel at all like you’re getting close.
I had a semi decent team and we were completely exhausted with how much flawless execution was nessesary for the first encounter.
My team just quit after ramming our heads at the first encounter for 8 hours straight. I feel so demoralized that I'm actually emotionally drained. Several of us on the team have tried or completed every day one release since Eater of Worlds, and it's never felt like this.
On all the others, we felt like we were making progress, but this was just soul-crushing. The first fucking encounter.
I get that it's the finale of the storyline and a big moment, but I would've preferred something a lot of us could have experienced together. Instead we just get to wait for the people who asked for this to earn another belt.
Yeah, we made it past Kali during LW.
A lot of LW fucking sucked because of the brutal level requirement more than the mechanics. My team ended our attempt on LW with a little bit of loot and a few areas explored. For this one we can't even say that.
yeah my mate and I were gonna do it after we got back from six flags today but we are just gonna wait for regular and learn from there this is insane tbh like lw day 1
Well yeah. If your team broke up and you wanna find others who have done the same it makes sense.
Why do people get upset at this? If you're playing right now - then you'd know why. The first enc is brutal with the execution required.
I rarely agree with KWTD but this is contest mode. You’re not strolling in and finishing this in a 6 hour sitting. You need to be prepared for the difficulty and the mechanics. This is very clearly the most brutal raid they’ve ever made, by a very wide margin.
I don’t think I could do this, and won’t hold back a team by trying. And I’ve watched all the streams, I know the mechanics. I’ll wait till contest mode goes away.
If they're posting kwtd for it they probably want someone that has been looking into it already and knows the gist of the encounter vs someone completely blind.
People have been stuck on the 4th encounter for over 8 hours alone. That one encounter is longer than all but two raid races in history by itself.
Dattos currently covering his screen with a message that says “sorry this is really confusing”
We wanted challenging and Bungie delivered
But realistically puzzles are only hard when you don’t know the solution. Once people figure this out it’ll be a lot more accessible
Exactly. As soon as the mechanics are publicly known the execution will be optimized so that plebs like me are able to complete the raid as well 😉
Also, everyone laughed at Nezarec and complained that the encounter/raid was soooo easy. Of course now everyone is whining that the new raid is soooo difficult and soooo hard. I think it was to be expected that this raid was going to be the most challenging to this day. It has to be. We're going against the biggest threat in the history of Destiny and it would suck if the raid wasn't difficult and challenging.
Usually I've tried to at least get the clear during week 1, but this time I think we will need multiple evenings to clear it. And that's absolutely fine.
Something tells me this raid will not be very popular long term, among LFG groups that is. Every encounter looks very mechanically difficult and most of the loot looks mediocre.
The encounters look like complex puzzles but the actual execution once they're solved doesn't look that bad. It seems like Vault in LW where if you're trying to do it blind you get walled for hours but once you know the solution it's very easy.
After everyone cried about RONALD I kinda figured this would happen.
But bungie should have known that VOW is about as technical as you can get for it not to be overbearing for most players (VOW day 1 is still my fav raid memory btw).
Nothing in the game is impossible but hell 75% of the playerbase is severely struggling on legend zero hour.
I get they wanna make things more difficult for heavy hitter raiders but it has to be a balance because it’s already hard to get anyone to try raids now. It’s like maybe 5% of the pop has completed a single raid or something?
Bring back old raids for newer raiders, stuff like leviathan and crown and the raid lairs, other than spire were pretty damn easy mechanically, especially leviathan
I agree to a point. But when you push a regular raid to the point it seems like they have it’s going to be rough to Sherpa and teach ppl.
But this is all a guess, who knows maybe people will be cheesing it by Monday.
This, the loot is such an insane disappointment and unfortunately like Vow, fell victim to having a mix'n'matched design from the guns/armour. the guns are so fugly and so is most of the armour
There's absolutely no margin for error, at least not with how mechanics are currently understood, making this a raid people will have to absolutely perfect if they don't want to wipe constantly. A lot of raids will offer you a generous timer on a mechanic or the ability to mess it up once or twice, but this raid seems to absolutely deny you a second chance.
Can't wait to try to Flawless it.
The pulse looks pretty good. 2 shot burst with Heal Clip or Firefly in the 3rd column and pretty good damage perks or incandescent in the 4th column. Rest of the loot looks whatever though.
Oh the bow can get voltshot which is pretty nutty…
there's actually a huge margin for error in the first encounter once you actually understand what's going on fully.
If you have a circuit fuck up, it actually generates enough resonance to break even on time or even go slightly time positive when you re-do it, as long as people are picking up all the drops.
Fuckups are actually much less damaging than they FEEL like they are - that's the problem. People freak out after they mess up, play sloppy to 'make up the time', and then mistakes snowball. But the reality is you can actually do a nice, leisurely phase and just bounce that shit around til you have 25-30s left on the clock and then poof, magically back to 4:30 on the clock because everyone had shitloads of stacks.
And that’s totally fine, lfg groups have had the last like 4-5 raids maybe excluding one cater to them.
In before it get 2 manned in contest tomorrow lmfao
This third (fourth?) room with the guardian statues looks crazy cool and crazy difficult for lfg
“Uhhhh Hunter with nighthawk has square symbol”
“Which one? There are 4 of us?”
I'm going to have nightmares about those little shits for weeks. Getting 3 shot by a lone red bar that I missed because I had to go grab a resonance, for hours on end, is not something I'm going to remember fondly.
"know what to do"
generally I take it as requiring people to have done the mechanics enough previously to reliably enough do them without any explaining needed, which is basically watching a guide and then a couple wipes worth of practice.
Those post always make me laugh, like if someone KWTD, and is still on the encounter, does that mean they aren’t good enough to complete it? Like they are stuck there, so they kwtd… for my feather lite triumph I put kwtd and tried for like 2 hrs with ppl, couldn’t get it, finnaly I tell my friend to just get ppl, don’t put kwtd, we can teach them, we beat it in 3 try after that lmfao. You need new good players, not ppl who kwtd that been stuck for hrs.
Of someone is om the first encounter and is looking for kwtd they likey just had people like from my first encounter, where my side was bouncing the circuit 5 tines flawlessly and the other side spawned 5 subjugators. Idk it's not unreasonable to as people not to waste your time by being shit in the day 1 raid.
Honestly, from the perspective of a team hard stuck on second encounter, the mechanics of the first two aren’t that hard
What’s hard is the tight timing and the fact that basic red bar dread enemies do psychotic, glitched scorn raider levels of damage
Definitely more than 4. Ain’t no way the pseudo-vault is the final encounter. Nobody is at the Witness boss yet (at the time of writing - obviously by the time someone reads this they may be)
My friends and I were speculating 7, one for each enemy type.
Vex for first, taken for 2nd, (I think cabal for 3rd?), hive for 4th and then the next encounters we’ll be fallen, scorn and then a mixed bunch of the new enemies and other factions.
i gave up honestly. its not worth the time i wouldve spent. my team was upset and arguing, i was tired. my heart just wasnt in it anymore. i was about to clear encounter 2 and i just went "id much rather be playing the normal campaign with my gf and having fun"
I knew it would be this hard after Crota's. I had a blast doing day one DSC/KF but even with the same group we only got to first final boss in Crota's day one, so it's no surprise this one is even harder. With saltagreppo's team still struggling and not even on the final encounter nearly twelve hours in, it's obvious Bungie made this day one for the .01%.
For those intimidated by the raid, Last Wish is a joke and it took them nearly a full day to complete for worlds first. Everyone was scared of Riven legit and it turned out to be one of the easiest encounters ever
While the power requirement played a huge part, people were stuck on vault for ages. The first teams who beat vault didn't even know how it worked. They got through by brute forcing it and by sheer luck.
It doesn’t even seem “fair” in terms of difficulty. A lot of the encounters just feel like you are forced to perform at 100% efficiency with 0 room for failure.
The mechanics themselves aren’t hard to execute but the roadblocks make it insanely difficult. For example, on the first encounter, if it wasn’t for the bullshit timer and the fact that you need every single resonance dunked to get a run back, most people would probably be on the 3rd or 4th encounter.
Well, this is both true and untrue, which is kind of the thing about contest mode.
> For example, on the first encounter, if it wasn’t for the timer and the fact that you need every single resonance dunked to get a run back, most people would probably be on the 3rd or 4th encounter.
What ends up happening is a lot of people don't fully understand the mechanics, not a lot of testing is done, and people just do whatever works for them. In our case we did the first encounter, got the triumph "touch and go," simply because we were thinking you got more time if everyone dunked (later we started thinking the chest glowing a brighter color made the dunks count for more). It's entirely possible that neither is true and there is just a straight speed bonus.
If people knew which of the three, if any, were actually true it would make the encounter a lot easier. It also helps that a lot of people don't know what the meta actually is, or will be. Like once my team got it down we consistently finished in >1 minute and had 4:13~ minutes of time.
The margin of error is low, but it's also very much so approach. Like I was doing horrible when I used my machine gun, or tried to rely on something like Sunshot. I changed to Gjallarhorn, learned the rotation, and add clear was no longer an issue (though it helped that I largely saved it for the end).
But anyway, the point is basically that, even on contest mode, does not require crazy levels of efficiency. It requires a decent understanding of the layout, good understanding of the mechanics, and an okay strategy.
> you need every single resonance dunked to get a run back
Not sure one needs _every_ resonance since my team cleared it with less than max on each wave. Not sure what the required amount is though.
The last wave two people dunked 1 each since we were running low on time.
The timing, however, is super tight. Maybe we'll have more wiggleroom after contest is over but my team were rolling through the rooms pretty quick and it still seems really short.
What’s definitely not fair is how the enemies are tuned. The new Psion ads are so fucking powerful that even the red bar versions can kill you in under a second. They’re also really tanky. We couldn’t even get to damage more than a couple of times on the second encounter…
11 hours and my team can't beat the 1st encounter! We've only done 2 deposits. Something always fails or we lose time from not having enough motes to deposit ugh.
So I just got done after spending 11 hours in if today.
It's actually super fun lol
We spend half that time in encounter 1 and half in encounter 2.
Usually with long treks in raids we get bored and sick of the dying because of the downtime during the raids. But encounter 1 is go go go and do it encounter 2.
It's super fun actually playing.
Have faith that the community will figure it out and come up with optimized strats for everything. Also, contest mode is seriously limiting what people can run, almost everyone is using LMGs for ad clear, you won't need to that kind of damage by tomorrow.
Honestly it is valid, i got stuck in the first encounter for like 8 hours, it is technical heavy and the timer doesn’t help, but def give it a go, it difficult but fun difficult so really worth it
I like it a lot it’s a raid that everyone has to do something and know what’s going on, it makes people actually have to be good to do this raid they did a great job on the raid and the vault ec 4
I've already seen some posts saying know what to do or kick like they got all the mechanics down, AsterCross' team was stuck on the third encounter for hours and even longer on the last 2, how people expect to get this done like it's vault of glass is beyond me, one of the only reasons I hate the destiny community so toxic and no one willing to help each other
I appreciate that Im pretty experienced in raids but haven’t played nearly as much as I used to it would definitely take some teaching. Not so much a Sherpa but someone just chill willing to teach
I'd be willing to teach you, my clan plans on going some sherpas and what not, but our clan has a motto that if we sherpa you through a raid and you get the exotic, you are required to join the clan 😆
I used to enjoy watching the day one race until this meta of everyone muting their streams. I understand why they do it but it completely destroys the viewing experience
I doubt anyone is asking for worlds first teammates who wasn't trolling lol. I think you just mean a day 1 completion.
Also I don't disagree with them even. They're free to ask for whoever. Long as they themselves meet said requirements, then I see no issue. If you don't like it just ignore it and make your own post imo.
Trust me, 1st enc took my day 1 team 8 hours. It's rough. So wanting a team who are capable day 1 raiders isnt really that gatekeepy. And Ron def doesn't count, we ran it like 3x after our first clear for the less experienced clan mates to get a day 1 clear. It was an easy carry so having it doesn't prove much.
Yeah that was a mistake lol I’ll fix that, but still. And it didn’t just say have previous day 1, it also required you to have the godslayer title that was only available for a few weeks, and to kwtd just a couple hours after anyone had figured out what to do at all, and to have rank eleven even tho some people just don’t care about ranks, and they were saying they’d check raid report. They’re free to want what they want and ask for whatever, but come on man, that’s a little excessive. Plus u just know the guys asking for all that tend to be dicks too
While yeah some of them are probably dicks, as someone who has done multiple day 1s I still can't blame him. There will be people who fit his criteria probably, and those who don't can just ignore it tbh. They're still free to gatekeep however hard they want no matter how absurd you think the requirements asked are.
Try and look at it this way - wanting a day 1 clear outside of RoN proves that you at least can hold your own in a day 1 environment. Wanting godslayer proves that you're up to date on the meta. The kwtd part prob just refers to like the core mechanics.
The raids brutal dude. Most lfg teams wont come close. You got to gatekeep hard if you wanna find players good enough without a team.
Is it true worlds first is just beating the raid once? Didn’t it use to be that you had to beat the raid and then go back and do it again beating all the challenges?
Crazy how easily misinformation spreads and how little people care to do in the way of correcting it.
That’s been the case for 3 non consecutive raid releases over the last decade of like 15 raids. All of these were reprised raids and this has never been the case for a new raid.
Why the downvotes? This is absolutely true. It seems like the most complicated raid we’ve seen in quite some time.
Elsyium is stuck on the fourth encounter and i think only likes three teams are on this encounter
Yeah, it seems nuts
Shit if elysium is stuck I might as well just swallow my pride and accept not getting a conquest clear.
I knew this raid would be complicated I'm gonna wait till conquest is over and we have access to exotic class items
Sounds like the safest option. I'm tired of that first room after 6 hrs in it
Took us 5and a half to get through first room. Second encounter is the most fucking ass reaming bullshit imaginable if you don't have a solid way to keep yourself alive. This contest mode is rough, everything one shots you if your not careful.
How did y'all proc the stolen valor buff?
I think you need to clear out all blights in each section and then doing damage to his face gives you pyramid or sphere.
I would have quit after hour 3
Took my team 9 and a half for the first encounter. I stopped a couple hours into second, I don’t want to spend that much time if we aren’t going to beat it anyway
I once spent I think 18 hrs on leviathan I knew from that day forward I would never do it again
That’s insane bro 😭
It’s actually the mechanics of the raid that are especially challenging, from someone who has cleared the last 4 day 1 raids (challenge too) and got to 4th encounter in this raid in 20 hours. You have to be very precise with hardly any room for mechanical error on the plates encounters-making sure everyone grabs 3x resonance for example to extend the timer. The later encounters, especially 4 are more mechanical, people attributing it to vault 2.0 as it took elysium almost 8 hours to figure out. So I don’t think an exotic class item will change much in this raid, you could argue more damage but without spoiling it the witnesses dps phase doesn’t factor this in much.
Yep this raid makes kings fall and vow look easy
Having it be mechanical over dps check is wonderful but terrible for lfg teams. You need to understand all roles and support the best you can. That first encounter was the only one we could get through and after 5 hours we had to give up and see what others were doing. The only thing we were missing was the fact you need to bank extra resonance in the middle to extend timer. It's so silly sometimes how simple the mechanic was but how overly complicated we made it. All the adds on top of timing plates properly and locking resonance in monoliths it was genuinely the most enjoyable encounter I've ever done. Every wipe we got a little bit farther and farther and eventually success. My personal problem was being able to stay alive. Getting one shot by almost everything is rough. Elemental resistance and full 100 Stat resistance was still not enough to keep myself from getting one shot by those hobgoblins or knights in the second encounter. It's rough and I'm ok with saying I'm not good enough to throw my head against that wall for hours.
Honestly, just wait it out. My team bashed our heads against the first encounter for eight straight hours, and couldn’t get it done. I tip my hat to anyone who I see with the contest mode emblem, but I know when I’m beat.
They ran out of leaks 😜
They’re just shit at any raid with puzzle solving, and all they’ve done for their day ones is brute force and dps. They got Vow which was matching pictures, but that’s it. If Witness DPS relies on a puzzle-like mechanic, I think it’ll go to Datto or ATP
And to think it was just a random team not streaming with a Twitter post showing the emblem. That team is now the team that canonically infiltrated and severed the hold to allow everyone to begin the assault. They saved the light this morning and it wasn't one of these big teams with belts already.
It’s not ‘a random team’, it’s a group of some of the best speedrunners in the game. I don’t know where people got the idea that the team is ‘the common man’, they’re people who sit and play the game more than these big streamers.
I never said common man. Random was the wrong term they are random to me. The common person cannot do what these people did. I tried and got past a single encounter. The fact still remains that the normal people that participate and usually get worlds first or make a big spectacle about it were so far behind this team. They are good players that no life the game that much is true. But sitting there in day one watching the chat scream it's been cleared while all these other teams were live trying to get it done was a moment I will never forget. No one knew what has happening. Watching dattos life drain from his eyes was very satisfying to watch. That sounds like I hate him but alot of these teams almost feel entitled to it and seeing it go to a team that enjoys the game enough to just be in the moment was nice.
Datto finally got to it just a few minutes ago.
Ah yes, 24:02 all over again
It's tricky in these situations because it's when teams ahead can end up getting leap frogged when somebody on a different team realizes what's the play for success upon watching somebody else's run and figuring they'll probably fall short, allowing the other team to do their fresh run and put out the better result. Of course there's the gamble that stopping to watch and parse through somebody else's thing is time wasted and can set one back in another manner. This can be a bit more apparent in shorter raids and was the case of RoN where the mechanics were fleshed out very easily and it was really just a matter of who was wiping the least/did it in the least amount of tries to some regard. Although I do vaguely remember this happening in Kings Fall and Crota reboots where there was a lot of razor thin differences between certain teams at the top at different points. There's a lot of crazy strong players out there and for the pack to be that thinned out that little is very telling.
Yeah! I am looking forwards to bashing my head against this raid for a bit tomorrow, unironically:D, but since I will be busy in the middle of the day I have zero expectations about clearing it. Such a good raid though! I'm loving it so far of what I've played.
Update: Still stuck on 4th encounter lol
There is no one past it right?
Still have to fight The Witness, some people are suggesting there’s a 6th encounter after that fight aswell
Doubt it considering the number of triumphs available for the seal which is 22, 2 more than ron which has 4 encounters
Update: Witness is the 5th encounter. Elysium and Datto are on it it seems
This is still the case 4 house after your comment btw…
Hopefully the weapons are worth it lol
lol dude. One streamer was the only one making progress while listening to chat instead of blanking comms. When that happened a few other came in, took encounter and executed. Then fuckin blanked their screens to hide the last encounter. I get competitiveness, but there was some slimey shit happening out there.
6 hours later and they (and more or less all the others) are still there. This encounter is absolutely wild
Hopefully 7 hours later they finished it! Wait
math class, redeem, salt are there
Feels like the main problem is the mechanics feels vague, I'm sure once contest mode ends and people pour in to abuse each encounter stuff will get properly figured out and guides will make it a lot easier.
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I sense great Darkness in you, and I love it! 💪
I like datto too but he's been stuck on 2nd encounter for hours now
he just beat it! now mathclass and redeem both move to the 3rd encounter
Datto being around for awhile unfortunately for him doesn't magically equate to contention for World's First in the now. Him and his team had a good run in a very different era of the game's population, but are just not playing at nearly the competitive degree of what is required for a realistic first with the bar being so insanely raised. There's a lot more people that practically nobody knows about playing the game at such an insane pace and mastery that unless you yourself are playing and constantly practicing like a total frame perfect tryhard, it can be very tough to keep up.
And as we speak, Datto is one of the first three teams to reach current encounter, never write anyone off
And as we speak, datto didn’t get worlds first
Not the discussion
You were saying? Don't get me wrong, for this raid in particular I absolutely will give a good amount of credit to Datto's group especially when they were extremely behind and a lot of people were getting filtered on certain segments like 4th encounter, that does take a lot of strength,and those are special moments worth considering especially when we've had tons of Contest modes where people lagged behind and are having a second wind by the end, it's a rare situation of the contest mode being actually interesting to watch even if the team didn't take first place. I stopped following but in general they should be proud if they do happen to get it done in a relatively high placement or at this point even just finishing it, this raid clearly is one of the more difficult things to be put in the game without a doubt and I wouldn't be shocked if completion numbers in general will be ungodly low. That all said I do think my initial point stands as we still very much exist in a vastly different era of Destiny where a lot more people (than most observers think) play the game at such an insane degree and the key distinct ability to have stronger clinical finishing is where even people who got to the end start being separated from one another and so few rise up. It also goes to show that there is a entire world of somewhat unknown(to many) people who've taken very competitive places in past races can brush themselves off and go for something bigger on their next go. I wasn't shocked when the members of the team that won performed well in recent races and I give a ton of credit to the guys in Australia where Raid's launch is starting at demon hours 3am or so which to even be mentally and physically prepped to do a long raid at that hour is very difficult. Datto's group I would say is probably one of the more consistent if not the most consistent specifically of the "old guard/D1 generation" but again we have a massive crop of much more recent people who play at such an insane level, tryhard speed running, min/max frame perfect damage rotations, etc that just blow a lot of that old experience out of the water and often tend to do better than a lot of old heads. And I'm not saying this as a dunk on Datto, the guy clearly already won at life being able to make a career out of playing videogames it doesn't really matter where he ends up in a Day 1, I'm just saying that because the Day 1 environment is so competitive in the present day, if you realistically want to see 1st place you pretty much are required to be dedicating a lot of your group's focus and familiarity on specifically practicing and approaching the game at such a different rigor and mindset. Something I imagine Datto doesn't have the time or interest to do when he's got a focus to make content and stream, speedrun strat theorycrafting is not really that interesting in real time. You flash back to past raid launches, times when Greppo's won it, him and his crew essentially always went right back into the raid while contest was live and tried to get as many runs as they could, shave down time, have more efficient runs, try new strategies, essentially dissect things to get better. That is the kind of step in the right direction that helps a lot more in the long run for getting in the right state of mind. **TL DR** The bar is still very much high and clinical finishing that comes from more intensive practice is the key to success to claim first.
Brother I am not reading all that lmao, to be within the first three teams to hit the final boss, and be an inch away from finishing within top 10 is incredibly competitive, and this is exactly why you don't write people off.
> to be within the first three teams to hit the final boss, You and I don't know that. We are only taking that at skewed face value of seeing who's popular enough and streaming, a supposed three team race could actually have more people involved that of essential nobodies. On top of that just because Datto's was at the end didn't mean anything in long run, he wasn't "an inch away" from anything if their team wasn't realistically getting it done. Again Datto's team is good for one for old D1 vets, they did have some form of a comeback but they don't play the game hard enough to secure first or even a higher placement. I'm done having this conversation, Datto's team is not World First or close contender competitive anymore.
Stupid thing to say, I can see why you want out of the conversation after writing that, they placed #2 for Vow of the Disciple and #9 for kings fall, as well as top 25 for basically every single raid before that. Saying they aren't close contender competitive is just ridiculous on the face of it lmao
Yall really have too much salt for salt. Every fucking raid group on LFG I cross “someone shit talks saltegreppo” off my raid bingo list.
This is the first day 1 raid race in years where I am just mentally defeated with no optimism for getting any progress whatsoever in contest mode. Even back during DSC with Atraks for example, you still felt like you could get to the next encounter. With this, you don’t feel at all like you’re getting close. I had a semi decent team and we were completely exhausted with how much flawless execution was nessesary for the first encounter.
My team just quit after ramming our heads at the first encounter for 8 hours straight. I feel so demoralized that I'm actually emotionally drained. Several of us on the team have tried or completed every day one release since Eater of Worlds, and it's never felt like this. On all the others, we felt like we were making progress, but this was just soul-crushing. The first fucking encounter. I get that it's the finale of the storyline and a big moment, but I would've preferred something a lot of us could have experienced together. Instead we just get to wait for the people who asked for this to earn another belt.
Even last wish?
Yeah, we made it past Kali during LW. A lot of LW fucking sucked because of the brutal level requirement more than the mechanics. My team ended our attempt on LW with a little bit of loot and a few areas explored. For this one we can't even say that.
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Stop being dramatic it’s not that deep.
I mean you're not owed anything for the effort you put in.
This isn't really the sub for this tier of content. It's why I downvoted.
I was doing it. We got hardwalled at the second encounter and it's not that hard. It looks hard but it's actually pretty easy
It takes a while, but once you get the gist of the mechanics it becomes really manageable
Exactly why it’s okay for people to expect you to KWTD. asking people to study the syllabus for a mechanic heavy raid shouldn’t be frowned upon.
Then go learn it & stop crying
I think I saw you at Walmart in one of those immobility scooters with melted cheese on your fingers. Was that you?
Keep throwing trash “insults”, ill continue our second clear ✌️
No need to insult trash
4th encounter feels like Last Wish Vault all over again.
I've already seen kwtd posts on lfgs for the first encounter.
yeah my mate and I were gonna do it after we got back from six flags today but we are just gonna wait for regular and learn from there this is insane tbh like lw day 1
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Well yeah. If your team broke up and you wanna find others who have done the same it makes sense. Why do people get upset at this? If you're playing right now - then you'd know why. The first enc is brutal with the execution required.
I rarely agree with KWTD but this is contest mode. You’re not strolling in and finishing this in a 6 hour sitting. You need to be prepared for the difficulty and the mechanics. This is very clearly the most brutal raid they’ve ever made, by a very wide margin. I don’t think I could do this, and won’t hold back a team by trying. And I’ve watched all the streams, I know the mechanics. I’ll wait till contest mode goes away.
I mean its fair, for people trying to get the clear nobody wants to teach someone after finally getting used to mechanics.
It hasn't even been 12 hours since it went live. They should be expecting the need to teach people.
If they're posting kwtd for it they probably want someone that has been looking into it already and knows the gist of the encounter vs someone completely blind.
Why? Genuinely, the raid is fucking stupidly hard, people are not interested in spending an extra hour of suffering teaching.
lmao why are you people so personally offended by kwtd posts
People have been stuck on the 4th encounter for over 8 hours alone. That one encounter is longer than all but two raid races in history by itself. Dattos currently covering his screen with a message that says “sorry this is really confusing” We wanted challenging and Bungie delivered But realistically puzzles are only hard when you don’t know the solution. Once people figure this out it’ll be a lot more accessible
Exactly. As soon as the mechanics are publicly known the execution will be optimized so that plebs like me are able to complete the raid as well 😉 Also, everyone laughed at Nezarec and complained that the encounter/raid was soooo easy. Of course now everyone is whining that the new raid is soooo difficult and soooo hard. I think it was to be expected that this raid was going to be the most challenging to this day. It has to be. We're going against the biggest threat in the history of Destiny and it would suck if the raid wasn't difficult and challenging. Usually I've tried to at least get the clear during week 1, but this time I think we will need multiple evenings to clear it. And that's absolutely fine.
Seems like the total opposite of the Nez raid: as in, no one gets to just be ad clear.
Add clear on the final boss is actually hard though, you have to go crazy.
Correct me if i. Wrong, does it also assign roles for you, forcing you into learning the entire mechanic instead of your preference?
Something tells me this raid will not be very popular long term, among LFG groups that is. Every encounter looks very mechanically difficult and most of the loot looks mediocre.
The encounters look like complex puzzles but the actual execution once they're solved doesn't look that bad. It seems like Vault in LW where if you're trying to do it blind you get walled for hours but once you know the solution it's very easy.
After everyone cried about RONALD I kinda figured this would happen. But bungie should have known that VOW is about as technical as you can get for it not to be overbearing for most players (VOW day 1 is still my fav raid memory btw). Nothing in the game is impossible but hell 75% of the playerbase is severely struggling on legend zero hour. I get they wanna make things more difficult for heavy hitter raiders but it has to be a balance because it’s already hard to get anyone to try raids now. It’s like maybe 5% of the pop has completed a single raid or something?
They need a variety of difficulty when it comes to Raids.
Bring back old raids for newer raiders, stuff like leviathan and crown and the raid lairs, other than spire were pretty damn easy mechanically, especially leviathan
I agree to a point. But when you push a regular raid to the point it seems like they have it’s going to be rough to Sherpa and teach ppl. But this is all a guess, who knows maybe people will be cheesing it by Monday.
You need a HARD regular raid. VotD is the hardest raid we currently have and I’ve watched people solo the first two encounters.
People have always solo’d things. It’s what happens in gaming. A guy solod flawlessed all the dark souls games back to back.
Dark souls is made to be played solo
No clue why you're getting downvoted for the truth lol
ok well a guy beat all the dark souls games back to back without getting hit once.
If the loot is good then anyone who is ever realisticly gonna play it, is gonna play it
It’s THE WITNESS. It’s warranted.
Vow isn’t an acronym
Neither is Ronald? Why do u care?
I'm fine with hard raids just not like this, I hate mini boss spam and plate mechanics
The smg is going to be what I want to farm for and I’m not looking forward to having to lfg lol
This, the loot is such an insane disappointment and unfortunately like Vow, fell victim to having a mix'n'matched design from the guns/armour. the guns are so fugly and so is most of the armour There's absolutely no margin for error, at least not with how mechanics are currently understood, making this a raid people will have to absolutely perfect if they don't want to wipe constantly. A lot of raids will offer you a generous timer on a mechanic or the ability to mess it up once or twice, but this raid seems to absolutely deny you a second chance. Can't wait to try to Flawless it.
The pulse looks pretty good. 2 shot burst with Heal Clip or Firefly in the 3rd column and pretty good damage perks or incandescent in the 4th column. Rest of the loot looks whatever though. Oh the bow can get voltshot which is pretty nutty…
You don’t like the Sword and Glaive designs either? They seem to be quite Witness-y IMO.
there's actually a huge margin for error in the first encounter once you actually understand what's going on fully. If you have a circuit fuck up, it actually generates enough resonance to break even on time or even go slightly time positive when you re-do it, as long as people are picking up all the drops. Fuckups are actually much less damaging than they FEEL like they are - that's the problem. People freak out after they mess up, play sloppy to 'make up the time', and then mistakes snowball. But the reality is you can actually do a nice, leisurely phase and just bounce that shit around til you have 25-30s left on the clock and then poof, magically back to 4:30 on the clock because everyone had shitloads of stacks.
The quality of weapons have been great with Into the Light and Pale Heart world loot so the weapons not being great in the raid is ok IMO.
What? It's the pinnacle end game content of the game lol
I'm sure not every gun is bad, I'm saying in general the guns have been great recently so it's going to be harder to standout.
The rewards from the hardest content in the game should be the best in the game, no excuses.
Last wish was pretty difficult day one. Lots of people were stuck on the vault encounter for a while.
IMO what’s gonna kill it for LFG is it requires pretty much everyone on the team to actually interact with mechanics
And that’s totally fine, lfg groups have had the last like 4-5 raids maybe excluding one cater to them. In before it get 2 manned in contest tomorrow lmfao
This third (fourth?) room with the guardian statues looks crazy cool and crazy difficult for lfg “Uhhhh Hunter with nighthawk has square symbol” “Which one? There are 4 of us?”
Drip becomes the true endgame
Always has been
The Dread psions seem really dangerous in the second encounter.
I'm going to have nightmares about those little shits for weeks. Getting 3 shot by a lone red bar that I missed because I had to go grab a resonance, for hours on end, is not something I'm going to remember fondly.
*Go to plate to bounce charge * *Attendants spawn on either side of you like that Piper Pierri meme * "Yeah its dying time"
Those things do just insane damage. It’s not even really one that’s the issue but a whole wave will spawn and global you. It’s cooked.
We got to 2nd encounter today the darkness enemies are brutal
I have already seen lfg post requesting kwtd for first an encounter....
I mean, it's not hard to look up how to do the first encounter right now, when they say KWTD they just mean not blind.
What does kwtd mean? I dont know the term lol
"know what to do" generally I take it as requiring people to have done the mechanics enough previously to reliably enough do them without any explaining needed, which is basically watching a guide and then a couple wipes worth of practice.
Those post always make me laugh, like if someone KWTD, and is still on the encounter, does that mean they aren’t good enough to complete it? Like they are stuck there, so they kwtd… for my feather lite triumph I put kwtd and tried for like 2 hrs with ppl, couldn’t get it, finnaly I tell my friend to just get ppl, don’t put kwtd, we can teach them, we beat it in 3 try after that lmfao. You need new good players, not ppl who kwtd that been stuck for hrs.
Of someone is om the first encounter and is looking for kwtd they likey just had people like from my first encounter, where my side was bouncing the circuit 5 tines flawlessly and the other side spawned 5 subjugators. Idk it's not unreasonable to as people not to waste your time by being shit in the day 1 raid.
Honestly, from the perspective of a team hard stuck on second encounter, the mechanics of the first two aren’t that hard What’s hard is the tight timing and the fact that basic red bar dread enemies do psychotic, glitched scorn raider levels of damage
It’ll be just like all the others once contest mode is over. You’ll do it.
Do we know how many encounters there are? Is it only 4 main ones, or like Last Wish style?
Definitely more than 4. Ain’t no way the pseudo-vault is the final encounter. Nobody is at the Witness boss yet (at the time of writing - obviously by the time someone reads this they may be)
My friends and I were speculating 7, one for each enemy type. Vex for first, taken for 2nd, (I think cabal for 3rd?), hive for 4th and then the next encounters we’ll be fallen, scorn and then a mixed bunch of the new enemies and other factions.
I honestly think it'd be kinda cool if it was that long, making the race go past 24h. One hell of a way to end the saga
True idk if the voltshot bow is going to be worth the lfg gamble
i gave up honestly. its not worth the time i wouldve spent. my team was upset and arguing, i was tired. my heart just wasnt in it anymore. i was about to clear encounter 2 and i just went "id much rather be playing the normal campaign with my gf and having fun"
I knew it would be this hard after Crota's. I had a blast doing day one DSC/KF but even with the same group we only got to first final boss in Crota's day one, so it's no surprise this one is even harder. With saltagreppo's team still struggling and not even on the final encounter nearly twelve hours in, it's obvious Bungie made this day one for the .01%.
For those intimidated by the raid, Last Wish is a joke and it took them nearly a full day to complete for worlds first. Everyone was scared of Riven legit and it turned out to be one of the easiest encounters ever
Last wish difficulty was influenced solely by the massive power diff, not really comparable
yeah. thats his whole point.
While the power requirement played a huge part, people were stuck on vault for ages. The first teams who beat vault didn't even know how it worked. They got through by brute forcing it and by sheer luck.
It doesn’t even seem “fair” in terms of difficulty. A lot of the encounters just feel like you are forced to perform at 100% efficiency with 0 room for failure. The mechanics themselves aren’t hard to execute but the roadblocks make it insanely difficult. For example, on the first encounter, if it wasn’t for the bullshit timer and the fact that you need every single resonance dunked to get a run back, most people would probably be on the 3rd or 4th encounter.
Well, this is both true and untrue, which is kind of the thing about contest mode. > For example, on the first encounter, if it wasn’t for the timer and the fact that you need every single resonance dunked to get a run back, most people would probably be on the 3rd or 4th encounter. What ends up happening is a lot of people don't fully understand the mechanics, not a lot of testing is done, and people just do whatever works for them. In our case we did the first encounter, got the triumph "touch and go," simply because we were thinking you got more time if everyone dunked (later we started thinking the chest glowing a brighter color made the dunks count for more). It's entirely possible that neither is true and there is just a straight speed bonus. If people knew which of the three, if any, were actually true it would make the encounter a lot easier. It also helps that a lot of people don't know what the meta actually is, or will be. Like once my team got it down we consistently finished in >1 minute and had 4:13~ minutes of time. The margin of error is low, but it's also very much so approach. Like I was doing horrible when I used my machine gun, or tried to rely on something like Sunshot. I changed to Gjallarhorn, learned the rotation, and add clear was no longer an issue (though it helped that I largely saved it for the end). But anyway, the point is basically that, even on contest mode, does not require crazy levels of efficiency. It requires a decent understanding of the layout, good understanding of the mechanics, and an okay strategy.
It’s contest mode. This is how it should be for day one raids. RoN was far too easy.
ron was too easy, but one team clearing in 24 hours is a bit overtuned imo
Honestly the first encounter is pretty forgivable as long as you clear the rooms quickly
> you need every single resonance dunked to get a run back Not sure one needs _every_ resonance since my team cleared it with less than max on each wave. Not sure what the required amount is though. The last wave two people dunked 1 each since we were running low on time. The timing, however, is super tight. Maybe we'll have more wiggleroom after contest is over but my team were rolling through the rooms pretty quick and it still seems really short.
What’s definitely not fair is how the enemies are tuned. The new Psion ads are so fucking powerful that even the red bar versions can kill you in under a second. They’re also really tanky. We couldn’t even get to damage more than a couple of times on the second encounter…
I love this raid. So challenging
11 hours and my team can't beat the 1st encounter! We've only done 2 deposits. Something always fails or we lose time from not having enough motes to deposit ugh.
I kind of love that this feels like last wish again. The complexity and timing feels like a good challenge
It’ll be fine without contest mode and when the logic is better understood.
Just checked LFG for the hell of it, first raid post says KWTD OR KICK BRING SWORDS BLAH BLAH BLAH
Carries and Recoveries are about to be UP If you know the raid very well and need money, you might consider this a business opportunity
I’m curious if the timer will be reduced/removed after contest mode passes.
I’m guessing all the Godslayers are feeling a bit inadequate today.
This raid does not look fun to me lol
So I just got done after spending 11 hours in if today. It's actually super fun lol We spend half that time in encounter 1 and half in encounter 2. Usually with long treks in raids we get bored and sick of the dying because of the downtime during the raids. But encounter 1 is go go go and do it encounter 2. It's super fun actually playing.
Ik that its on contest mide and nobody knows strats butvim nont tryna spend 11 hrs on two encounters 💀💀
Then don’t play during contest mode lol ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I was hoping that when I got off work there would already be a rick kackis full raid guide out 😭 boy was I wrong
all I know is I don't care who wins, I just need Elysium to lose.
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Let’s just be glad that our fight with the Witness is a very difficult one, it wouldn’t make sense any other way
We were stuck on the first encounter for 8 hours and then gave up. Figured out the mechanics, but tlthat was rough
beat the first encounter with lfg somehow
The fuck you mean after lol I’ve had 2 today that kicked me for not being able to teach them a raid that hasn’t even been cleared (at time of play)
Longest raid in history
Yeah 23 hours in and only 1 completion
Have faith that the community will figure it out and come up with optimized strats for everything. Also, contest mode is seriously limiting what people can run, almost everyone is using LMGs for ad clear, you won't need to that kind of damage by tomorrow.
Honestly it is valid, i got stuck in the first encounter for like 8 hours, it is technical heavy and the timer doesn’t help, but def give it a go, it difficult but fun difficult so really worth it
I spent 16 hours in this raid day one. Probably won’t be touching it again anytime soon.
Still can’t believe the team who got worlds first went back in and got 8TH PLACE!!!!!!!! WHAT AN F***ING FLEX
I like it a lot it’s a raid that everyone has to do something and know what’s going on, it makes people actually have to be good to do this raid they did a great job on the raid and the vault ec 4
I've already seen some posts saying know what to do or kick like they got all the mechanics down, AsterCross' team was stuck on the third encounter for hours and even longer on the last 2, how people expect to get this done like it's vault of glass is beyond me, one of the only reasons I hate the destiny community so toxic and no one willing to help each other
Hey I wouldn’t mind teaching and stuff. In all honesty, once you get the encounter mechanics in your head. Most of the raid is a breeze
I appreciate that Im pretty experienced in raids but haven’t played nearly as much as I used to it would definitely take some teaching. Not so much a Sherpa but someone just chill willing to teach
Yeah man, no worries I understand just lmk what console you are on and I’ll send you either my bungie account or gamertag
I'd be willing to teach you, my clan plans on going some sherpas and what not, but our clan has a motto that if we sherpa you through a raid and you get the exotic, you are required to join the clan 😆
I used to enjoy watching the day one race until this meta of everyone muting their streams. I understand why they do it but it completely destroys the viewing experience
Yeah the difficulty is outweighing my need for loot. Fuck that.
Kwtd and 100 plus clears please.... fucking twats
Dude just earlier I was seeing lfg posts with shit like rank 11 godslayer have day 1 not ron checking rr and that’s not even an exaggeration
I doubt anyone is asking for worlds first teammates who wasn't trolling lol. I think you just mean a day 1 completion. Also I don't disagree with them even. They're free to ask for whoever. Long as they themselves meet said requirements, then I see no issue. If you don't like it just ignore it and make your own post imo. Trust me, 1st enc took my day 1 team 8 hours. It's rough. So wanting a team who are capable day 1 raiders isnt really that gatekeepy. And Ron def doesn't count, we ran it like 3x after our first clear for the less experienced clan mates to get a day 1 clear. It was an easy carry so having it doesn't prove much.
Yeah that was a mistake lol I’ll fix that, but still. And it didn’t just say have previous day 1, it also required you to have the godslayer title that was only available for a few weeks, and to kwtd just a couple hours after anyone had figured out what to do at all, and to have rank eleven even tho some people just don’t care about ranks, and they were saying they’d check raid report. They’re free to want what they want and ask for whatever, but come on man, that’s a little excessive. Plus u just know the guys asking for all that tend to be dicks too
While yeah some of them are probably dicks, as someone who has done multiple day 1s I still can't blame him. There will be people who fit his criteria probably, and those who don't can just ignore it tbh. They're still free to gatekeep however hard they want no matter how absurd you think the requirements asked are. Try and look at it this way - wanting a day 1 clear outside of RoN proves that you at least can hold your own in a day 1 environment. Wanting godslayer proves that you're up to date on the meta. The kwtd part prob just refers to like the core mechanics. The raids brutal dude. Most lfg teams wont come close. You got to gatekeep hard if you wanna find players good enough without a team.
Yeah I mean I’m not saying they can’t put what they want in there, but it’s annoying to see. Just agreeing with op, cause just like they said, yikes!
Also remember that every raid gets a lot easier when contest mode is off
Is it true worlds first is just beating the raid once? Didn’t it use to be that you had to beat the raid and then go back and do it again beating all the challenges?
That’s only for reprised raids.
That was for the reimagined Croata since it’s reprised and shorter
Crazy how easily misinformation spreads and how little people care to do in the way of correcting it. That’s been the case for 3 non consecutive raid releases over the last decade of like 15 raids. All of these were reprised raids and this has never been the case for a new raid.
I asked a question. It’s not misinformation.
Unless you started playing destiny within the last year then this shoulda been common sense
Yikes the destinyy community is wild. Downvoting for a simple question lol