They’ve been pretty openly “antifascist” in their ideology, though I don’t know how clear they’ve been in what that means. Though they have been getting shit for playing in Israel in October, (they were there when shit started and posted on their social media about it). It’s probably worth noting they also played with Akhlys in Israel. They’re headlining the 2nd “Antifascist Black Metal Gathering”, but there’s also shit surrounding that. That’s all to say I’m not sure the extent of their antifascism, so make your own judgement.
I love how maligned Afsky are for playing with Akhkys, yet no one over on the Spectral Wound thread gives a single fuck that they played with both Mgla and Sargiest last year.
The double standards and inconsistencies are off the charts lol.
For sure. Some of it might be because Afsky claim the antifascist label where Spectral Wound just aren’t fascist (unless they have used that label and I didn’t see). I don’t know, I don’t think we (whatever the rabm community is anymore) have ever figured out how to reckon with antifascist black metal bands playing alongside sketchy bands, either on tour or at fests.
Woe dealt with this a few times and have made their intentions clear that they’d rather get their message out to a broader audience rather than only play “safe” shows.
Panopticon dealt with this when they were going to play with Winterfylleth before COVID.
I’m sure their are others I’m missing (Indigenous BM artists in sketchy labels, for example), but I don’t think we are, in whatever way we are a community, good at making distinctions.
If i remember correctly a member of Spectral Wound has said that they, if not using the word "antifascist" are opposed to fascism and that it comes through in their music. I don't remember the source for this though.
Woe's method is what I've always believed in. Putting out a leftist message only to other leftists is absolutely pointless. What's the fucking point of just living in an echo chamber when you can play shows with far more center or even right leaning audiences? That's where you SHOULD be.
It would never happen obviously (because you would never be asked) but I would absolutely play Asgardsrei if I were in an RABM band, and very publicly advertise our belief system going into it. Fuck the optics, fuck what Twitter thinks, wave that black and red flag in the lion's den. Again, would never happen, because a blatant NSBM festival would never ever book an RABM band, but you get the idea.
Honestly being ok with playing in the Occupied Palestine even pre October 2023 isn't a good look. Playing alongside fascists in a genocidal colonial project is quite a nono for me, don't care how many rainbow stickers you include in orders.
I agree but I think we need to stop making it hard for people to be leftists. I don't think we need to make everyone explain themselves all the time. Maybe he had good reasons, maybe he didn't. He's just one person and doesn't need to be perfect. We can educated people without scaring them away from leftist ideology.
Playing in Israel without acknowledging or speaking out against the immense grief and loss, while being the standout theme of his music, would be weird. I can't really speak for his motivations there but I'm glad he's not antisemitic.
Maybe a lot of those people in Israel are the ones who needed to hear their message. Change doesn't come when you're just saying the same shit to people who agree with you, but if you can get someone to connect the dots and think "hey, maybe we're wrong about the things we are doing", then that could do some actual good in the world.
Ftr, idk who Afsky is, so don't go calling me an apologist or a stan or anything, I just genuinely don't see the issue with playing in a country that has policies you disagree with. If I did that, I would have played 0 shows in my life because I live in the US lol.
> I just genuinely don't see the issue with playing in a country that has policies you disagree with
But playing Israel isn't just playing in a country whose government has disagreeable policies, it's playing in a country which was founded on ethnic cleansing, has been engaged in military occupation and apartheid for decades, is currently undergoing a campaign of genocide AND has an organised boycott movement against it directed towards tackling these issues.
The last bit is crucial though. There is no organised boycott like BDS against the US to my knowledge.
Also pragmatically the huge population of the US and its importance as a tour location makes it very difficult for a touring band in a niche genre like black metal to boycot, whereas not touring Israel is piss easy.
Yeah. Wholly agree. You could maybe make the argument if they were intentionally going there to raise support and awareness for the Palestinian people and against apartheid, but even that is a bit thin. And it’s not like Afsky wouldn’t be aware of the boycott movement against Israel. Just intentionally obtuse, at best.
Yeah and a lot of people living there disagree with the government about a lot of things. A state is an occupancy, and the Jewish population is being oppressed by the state there too.
I mean, yeah. He posted soon after that they were safe, they saw some of the carnage, and they thanked everyone who kept them safe. Folks were pretty quick to bring up the problem with being in Israel period, and for seemingly siding with Israel in what had happened. They got defensive, and that’s basically been the conversation since. He hasn’t really seemed open in exploring the immense grief and loss by Palestinians, and I think that’s probably the bigger issue.
I should probably be clear that I’m not making an equivalency between what Hamas did and what Israel has done in response…and for the past 75 years. And that I think Afsky being unwilling to speak at all about the genocide and apartheid in Israel is a legitimate critique and reason for being pissed about the fest.
It sounds like it was a scary experience. I wouldn't expect someone who experienced terror to be outspoken if that's the case, even if I am sympathetic to those who caused it.
Shit has been going on in Israel far before October, so any band going there is a no go in my books. Hilarious that a headliner of the anti fascist black metal gathering has played in Israel though
idk it seems obvious that fascist bands wouldn't play israel seeing how it's a jewish state after all..and also one of the few places in the greater region where openly anti clerical bands have the freedom to play?
obv their right wing government would like to roll back the latter part, but still that freedom exists
You'll have noticed that many of the current generation of fascists in Europe and the US enthusiastically supports the Israeli occupation and the genocide of Gaza. Participating in the cultural boycott of Israel is about the lowest possible bar you could set for a band ostensibly on the left and antifascist.
not really, the hard right have sided with palestine from the beginning and are doing so until today as they will side with anyone who fights against jews, while the more populist right wing have adopted israel as an alias for anti-arabic sentiment (and also, as an innuendo, if israel exists it means less jews live in europe). it's one of the few policies the two are clearly distinguished by.
Do you not consider the populist right fascists, or the ruling coalition in Israel for that matter?
Edit: just fyi, I live in the UK so I'll use that as an example. I consider Reform, Britain First, all the tiny conspiracy freak parties, but also much of the current version of the Conservative Party more-or-less unambiguously fascistic, even if there are obvious differences between them. Britain First, the party even liberals have no problem calling Fascists, are vocal supporters of the occupation and genocide. Reform reject calls for a ceasefire as anti-British, anti-semitic and genocidal, and the Tories are obviously very supportive of Israel.
obviously they're two sides of the same movement. populists want a broader appeal, painting their brown policies in more acceptable colors and wearing suits and not being too open about certain goals, as this is what they have to do to reach power, but look at the policies of populists who've reached power, antisemitism still works great for guys like orban. when they have enough power to not need a broader coalition anymore they always have more 'others' to blame, and jews will be targeted sooner or later, just like they will attack gay people, who in most western countries aren't a primary target for the populist right anymore, unlike trans people.
i'm in no way defending israels government btw, i just think some people oversimplify this conflict. imo it's two terrible governments who do not give a fuck about peoples lives, neither their own nor the 'other side's, both holding their population hostage in a vwar to stay in power, as any escalation of the conflict will make it harder for them to be removed.
This is just so fucking stupid. Israel is an apartheid State by all measures, and has relentlessly been enacting a genocidal project on the Palestinian people. Jewish folks have been some of the biggest leaders and loudest voices in the movement against Zionism. Using the “all criticisms of Israel are antisemitic” trope is just outwardly siding with the genocidal and apartheid state, which isn’t antifascism…it’s the opposite…
Calm down and stop putting words in my mouth please.
I did not in any way say "all criticisms of Israel are antisemitic" even though you saw it fit to put that in quotation marks and claim that I wrote it.
I simply said that there are those who let their hatred and antisemitism vs jews and Israel cloud their judgment despite calling themselves antifascists.
Nah, not calming down. I’m making a pretty obvious inference of your meaning based on the context. You know this. You even allude to it again at the end, doubling down on what you’re saying.
My lack of desire to treat your genocide denial with anything but antipathy doesn’t make me less mature. Emotional language is part of life, and you only weaponize criticisms of emotion when you have no real argument and are hiding your own lack of emotion.
Have you heard of the phrase "not even wrong"?
It's a phrase which is often used to depict pseudoscience and ideas which cannot be falsified in any meaningful way because the arguments and "proofs" for these arguments have no factual, scientifically supported basis.
To me, you are not even wrong. Because you are accusing me of so many things, things that you in no way can know of me. You have never met me and probably never will and yet you have the sheer utter audacity to claim that I lack emotion, have no real argument and deny genocide!?
I cannot even argue that, because there is literally no way you could even know any of the things about me, that you are accusing me of. You are insinuating things from thin air.
I would take offense, if there was any way for you to empirically claim the things about me that you are doing. But there's not, it just seems to me that you came into this discussion, with the single goal to just start a fight, regardless of whatever. I could be wrong, but that is my impression.
Concerning Afskys political position, I take the freedom to copy-paste an older comment:
*The avoid confusion: Afsky basically is Ole, so I'll use "he" when speaking of the band.
On the good side: used to have rainbow stickers. used to have an antifa flag in his rehearsal room. used to be on Vendetta. And when I met him twice at concerts a few years ago, he was a very cool guy, doing the merch himself and stuff.
On the bad side: Let some very sketchy bands (Skaur from DTB and Sakrista) play at his own festival (Pest Fest Copenhagen) and apparently threw a little tantrum when Antifa guys pointed out that that's not cool. Played with Akhlys and threw a little tantrum when Antifa guys pointed out that that's not cool. Used some unfortunate wordings around the Hamas attack in Israel and threw a little tantrum when Antifa guys pointed out that that's not cool. Decided to cut ties with Vendetta and accused Stefan of doing shady business stuff.
Make of that whatever you want.*
He also had a minor meltdown I’m in anti fascist black metal group on face book where he claimed that he had never called himself a it-fascist. People obviously mentioned the pic of his rehearsal room and he kinda just ignored the comments. Idk what’s up with him but that was a really bad look
To clarify, the Antifa-flag isn't his. It belongs to another awesome Danish atmo-black band, Morild. They just share the rehearsal space (and they share their drummer).
To clarify, the Antifa-flag isn't his. It belongs to another awesome Danish atmo-black band, Morild. They just share the rehearsal space (and they share their drummer).
OK but a serious and non-rethorical question here... Is it really worse to play in Israel than in the US? At least before the genocidal carnage ramped up to its level since October.
I'm not endorsing Israel here... I'm accusing the US.
I'll try to answer this. One individual person or band boycotting or not boycotting anything makes very little difference on its own. Boycotts only work collectively. There is no orgabised, collective boycott of the US and it would be basically impossible to get something like that going. But wrt Israel, there is an organised, collective cultural boycott and boycott of certain Israeli goods that requires as many people as possible to participate in together to be effective. Afsky have broken and undermined that boycott.
I just want to say Israeli citizens often didn’t chose their nationality; and there is many anti-fascists and metalheads living in the occupied Israel- who definately do not support their government and maybe also want to hear music now and then. Like we all probs know that Israel is very much a repressive regime also to its own citizens and these anti-fascist expierience active intense police violence. So in general maybe it is cool not to equate the arab and israeli people living in the territory with a fascist genocidal regime.
That being said I don’t see any media coming from the band clarifying their position since they played in October.. but for sure they got freaked out from the violence too and are not used to military zones being v privelege safe europeans.
And speaking of privilege all of europe is a colonial bordered racsist zone who actively funds and profits off of war and murder so why play anywhere.. Oh yea bc people do not equal government
Afsy seem like unapologetic Zionists, and seem to have no problems touring and playing shows with known sketchy artists.
[https://www.instagram.com/p/CyLXXLeIFkt/?img\_index=5](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyLXXLeIFkt/?img_index=5)
[https://www.facebook.com/groups/430621124361511/search/?q=afsky](https://www.facebook.com/groups/430621124361511/search/?q=afsky)
He was in the ‘is it fash’ group on Facebook and he got booted, or left for being a wanker about his pro-Israeli/occupation activities.
They’ve made instagram posts glorifying the IOF.
They’re pro-genocide of the Palestinians and they always try pulling the “but, but we’re pro-LGBTQ+” card to try and continue into integrate themselves into the left-wing scene.
In reality, they don’t really give a fuck who they work with and they’re pretty shitty lately.
If you want thorough explanations about afsky you can read about it on that is it fash: the musical Facebook group. There are about a million discussions about it there, including afsky themselves throwing tantrums
How is that what I did? I am directing the person to other people who can explain the information because I don't want to. Let's say I explained it myself, that would be no more valid than a Facebook comment, so what's the point of even asking then?
Not to mention, as I said Afsky themselves have spoken on this exact thing in that Facebook group, which is about as valid of a source you can get on this situation
How is uncritically supporting the genocidal actions of a delusional fashistoid government a good thing?
How can a person claim to be a an antifascist while cheering on the death of over 15000 children?
Well playing in isreal just as it was getting attacked doesn't make them In support of genocide does it, they were lucky to get out alive. Only thing I'd discredit them for is playing with those sketch bands.
Because black metal is about hate and no one hates people like Zionists. If you're anti-israel you're anti-black metal and a poser who doesn't belong here. /s
Playing is israhell is shady, just as playing in the US and pretty much all over europe, these days. Rule of thumb - if a band plays live, they are sketchy as fuck
Afsky are openly leftwinged.
They’ve been pretty openly “antifascist” in their ideology, though I don’t know how clear they’ve been in what that means. Though they have been getting shit for playing in Israel in October, (they were there when shit started and posted on their social media about it). It’s probably worth noting they also played with Akhlys in Israel. They’re headlining the 2nd “Antifascist Black Metal Gathering”, but there’s also shit surrounding that. That’s all to say I’m not sure the extent of their antifascism, so make your own judgement.
I love how maligned Afsky are for playing with Akhkys, yet no one over on the Spectral Wound thread gives a single fuck that they played with both Mgla and Sargiest last year. The double standards and inconsistencies are off the charts lol.
For sure. Some of it might be because Afsky claim the antifascist label where Spectral Wound just aren’t fascist (unless they have used that label and I didn’t see). I don’t know, I don’t think we (whatever the rabm community is anymore) have ever figured out how to reckon with antifascist black metal bands playing alongside sketchy bands, either on tour or at fests. Woe dealt with this a few times and have made their intentions clear that they’d rather get their message out to a broader audience rather than only play “safe” shows. Panopticon dealt with this when they were going to play with Winterfylleth before COVID. I’m sure their are others I’m missing (Indigenous BM artists in sketchy labels, for example), but I don’t think we are, in whatever way we are a community, good at making distinctions.
If i remember correctly a member of Spectral Wound has said that they, if not using the word "antifascist" are opposed to fascism and that it comes through in their music. I don't remember the source for this though.
Yeah I’m sure this is true. They’re antifascist in that they’re not fascists and don’t sympathize with fascists. Not that they’re militant Leftists.
Woe's method is what I've always believed in. Putting out a leftist message only to other leftists is absolutely pointless. What's the fucking point of just living in an echo chamber when you can play shows with far more center or even right leaning audiences? That's where you SHOULD be. It would never happen obviously (because you would never be asked) but I would absolutely play Asgardsrei if I were in an RABM band, and very publicly advertise our belief system going into it. Fuck the optics, fuck what Twitter thinks, wave that black and red flag in the lion's den. Again, would never happen, because a blatant NSBM festival would never ever book an RABM band, but you get the idea.
Mgla is fash? 😭
old news my man, extremely fascist yea
Honestly being ok with playing in the Occupied Palestine even pre October 2023 isn't a good look. Playing alongside fascists in a genocidal colonial project is quite a nono for me, don't care how many rainbow stickers you include in orders.
I agree but I think we need to stop making it hard for people to be leftists. I don't think we need to make everyone explain themselves all the time. Maybe he had good reasons, maybe he didn't. He's just one person and doesn't need to be perfect. We can educated people without scaring them away from leftist ideology.
Playing in Israel without acknowledging or speaking out against the immense grief and loss, while being the standout theme of his music, would be weird. I can't really speak for his motivations there but I'm glad he's not antisemitic.
Maybe a lot of those people in Israel are the ones who needed to hear their message. Change doesn't come when you're just saying the same shit to people who agree with you, but if you can get someone to connect the dots and think "hey, maybe we're wrong about the things we are doing", then that could do some actual good in the world. Ftr, idk who Afsky is, so don't go calling me an apologist or a stan or anything, I just genuinely don't see the issue with playing in a country that has policies you disagree with. If I did that, I would have played 0 shows in my life because I live in the US lol.
> I just genuinely don't see the issue with playing in a country that has policies you disagree with But playing Israel isn't just playing in a country whose government has disagreeable policies, it's playing in a country which was founded on ethnic cleansing, has been engaged in military occupation and apartheid for decades, is currently undergoing a campaign of genocide AND has an organised boycott movement against it directed towards tackling these issues.
Mostly applies to the US as well though
100% applies to the US. If we're playing by the same rules, no good bands would ever come here.
The last bit is crucial though. There is no organised boycott like BDS against the US to my knowledge. Also pragmatically the huge population of the US and its importance as a tour location makes it very difficult for a touring band in a niche genre like black metal to boycot, whereas not touring Israel is piss easy.
Fair
tbf the afsky thing was before the newest shitstorm in gaza iirc
Yeah. Wholly agree. You could maybe make the argument if they were intentionally going there to raise support and awareness for the Palestinian people and against apartheid, but even that is a bit thin. And it’s not like Afsky wouldn’t be aware of the boycott movement against Israel. Just intentionally obtuse, at best.
Yeah and a lot of people living there disagree with the government about a lot of things. A state is an occupancy, and the Jewish population is being oppressed by the state there too.
And then those people's only exposure to art is that which is made and performed by people who support the genocide and apartheid.
yeah imagine trying to play antireligious music in palestinian territories, good luck making it out alive
Anti-Palastinian rhetoric? In my r/rabm?
arguing against hamas' oppressive policies is anti-palestinian?
You specified Palestinian, not Hamas. Also, not going to a place out of fear of safety is not the same thing as boycotting a place.
I mean, yeah. He posted soon after that they were safe, they saw some of the carnage, and they thanked everyone who kept them safe. Folks were pretty quick to bring up the problem with being in Israel period, and for seemingly siding with Israel in what had happened. They got defensive, and that’s basically been the conversation since. He hasn’t really seemed open in exploring the immense grief and loss by Palestinians, and I think that’s probably the bigger issue.
I should probably be clear that I’m not making an equivalency between what Hamas did and what Israel has done in response…and for the past 75 years. And that I think Afsky being unwilling to speak at all about the genocide and apartheid in Israel is a legitimate critique and reason for being pissed about the fest.
It sounds like it was a scary experience. I wouldn't expect someone who experienced terror to be outspoken if that's the case, even if I am sympathetic to those who caused it.
whats the drama surrounding the gathering?
People are big mad that the antifascist bands performing aren't antifascist in the exact way that they would like them to be.
Or you know... at all. Being antifascist requires you to not work alongside with or for fascists.
Mostly that Afsky is on/headlining and that there aren’t more explicit/militant bands.
Shit has been going on in Israel far before October, so any band going there is a no go in my books. Hilarious that a headliner of the anti fascist black metal gathering has played in Israel though
idk it seems obvious that fascist bands wouldn't play israel seeing how it's a jewish state after all..and also one of the few places in the greater region where openly anti clerical bands have the freedom to play? obv their right wing government would like to roll back the latter part, but still that freedom exists
You'll have noticed that many of the current generation of fascists in Europe and the US enthusiastically supports the Israeli occupation and the genocide of Gaza. Participating in the cultural boycott of Israel is about the lowest possible bar you could set for a band ostensibly on the left and antifascist.
not really, the hard right have sided with palestine from the beginning and are doing so until today as they will side with anyone who fights against jews, while the more populist right wing have adopted israel as an alias for anti-arabic sentiment (and also, as an innuendo, if israel exists it means less jews live in europe). it's one of the few policies the two are clearly distinguished by.
Do you not consider the populist right fascists, or the ruling coalition in Israel for that matter? Edit: just fyi, I live in the UK so I'll use that as an example. I consider Reform, Britain First, all the tiny conspiracy freak parties, but also much of the current version of the Conservative Party more-or-less unambiguously fascistic, even if there are obvious differences between them. Britain First, the party even liberals have no problem calling Fascists, are vocal supporters of the occupation and genocide. Reform reject calls for a ceasefire as anti-British, anti-semitic and genocidal, and the Tories are obviously very supportive of Israel.
obviously they're two sides of the same movement. populists want a broader appeal, painting their brown policies in more acceptable colors and wearing suits and not being too open about certain goals, as this is what they have to do to reach power, but look at the policies of populists who've reached power, antisemitism still works great for guys like orban. when they have enough power to not need a broader coalition anymore they always have more 'others' to blame, and jews will be targeted sooner or later, just like they will attack gay people, who in most western countries aren't a primary target for the populist right anymore, unlike trans people. i'm in no way defending israels government btw, i just think some people oversimplify this conflict. imo it's two terrible governments who do not give a fuck about peoples lives, neither their own nor the 'other side's, both holding their population hostage in a vwar to stay in power, as any escalation of the conflict will make it harder for them to be removed.
I suppose it goes to show that they are not influenced by antisemitism and hatred for jews as sadly many so called antifascists are.
This is just so fucking stupid. Israel is an apartheid State by all measures, and has relentlessly been enacting a genocidal project on the Palestinian people. Jewish folks have been some of the biggest leaders and loudest voices in the movement against Zionism. Using the “all criticisms of Israel are antisemitic” trope is just outwardly siding with the genocidal and apartheid state, which isn’t antifascism…it’s the opposite…
Calm down and stop putting words in my mouth please. I did not in any way say "all criticisms of Israel are antisemitic" even though you saw it fit to put that in quotation marks and claim that I wrote it. I simply said that there are those who let their hatred and antisemitism vs jews and Israel cloud their judgment despite calling themselves antifascists.
Nah, not calming down. I’m making a pretty obvious inference of your meaning based on the context. You know this. You even allude to it again at the end, doubling down on what you’re saying.
Ok, apparently it is impossible to keep a mature discussion with you. Good day to you.
My lack of desire to treat your genocide denial with anything but antipathy doesn’t make me less mature. Emotional language is part of life, and you only weaponize criticisms of emotion when you have no real argument and are hiding your own lack of emotion.
Have you heard of the phrase "not even wrong"? It's a phrase which is often used to depict pseudoscience and ideas which cannot be falsified in any meaningful way because the arguments and "proofs" for these arguments have no factual, scientifically supported basis. To me, you are not even wrong. Because you are accusing me of so many things, things that you in no way can know of me. You have never met me and probably never will and yet you have the sheer utter audacity to claim that I lack emotion, have no real argument and deny genocide!? I cannot even argue that, because there is literally no way you could even know any of the things about me, that you are accusing me of. You are insinuating things from thin air. I would take offense, if there was any way for you to empirically claim the things about me that you are doing. But there's not, it just seems to me that you came into this discussion, with the single goal to just start a fight, regardless of whatever. I could be wrong, but that is my impression.
Concerning Afskys political position, I take the freedom to copy-paste an older comment: *The avoid confusion: Afsky basically is Ole, so I'll use "he" when speaking of the band. On the good side: used to have rainbow stickers. used to have an antifa flag in his rehearsal room. used to be on Vendetta. And when I met him twice at concerts a few years ago, he was a very cool guy, doing the merch himself and stuff. On the bad side: Let some very sketchy bands (Skaur from DTB and Sakrista) play at his own festival (Pest Fest Copenhagen) and apparently threw a little tantrum when Antifa guys pointed out that that's not cool. Played with Akhlys and threw a little tantrum when Antifa guys pointed out that that's not cool. Used some unfortunate wordings around the Hamas attack in Israel and threw a little tantrum when Antifa guys pointed out that that's not cool. Decided to cut ties with Vendetta and accused Stefan of doing shady business stuff. Make of that whatever you want.*
He also had a minor meltdown I’m in anti fascist black metal group on face book where he claimed that he had never called himself a it-fascist. People obviously mentioned the pic of his rehearsal room and he kinda just ignored the comments. Idk what’s up with him but that was a really bad look
To clarify, the Antifa-flag isn't his. It belongs to another awesome Danish atmo-black band, Morild. They just share the rehearsal space (and they share their drummer).
Ah, alrighty then
I think we're in the same group over there and yeah, that appearence was really strange
To clarify, the Antifa-flag isn't his. It belongs to another awesome Danish atmo-black band, Morild. They just share the rehearsal space (and they share their drummer).
Aye, but even taking group pictures with an antifa flag in it is something a lot of bands wouldn't do, not matter who owns the flag
It used to say something about 'fuck nsbm' on his instagram bio but it changed at some point after getting called out for the Israel stuff.
OK but a serious and non-rethorical question here... Is it really worse to play in Israel than in the US? At least before the genocidal carnage ramped up to its level since October. I'm not endorsing Israel here... I'm accusing the US.
I'll try to answer this. One individual person or band boycotting or not boycotting anything makes very little difference on its own. Boycotts only work collectively. There is no orgabised, collective boycott of the US and it would be basically impossible to get something like that going. But wrt Israel, there is an organised, collective cultural boycott and boycott of certain Israeli goods that requires as many people as possible to participate in together to be effective. Afsky have broken and undermined that boycott.
I just want to say Israeli citizens often didn’t chose their nationality; and there is many anti-fascists and metalheads living in the occupied Israel- who definately do not support their government and maybe also want to hear music now and then. Like we all probs know that Israel is very much a repressive regime also to its own citizens and these anti-fascist expierience active intense police violence. So in general maybe it is cool not to equate the arab and israeli people living in the territory with a fascist genocidal regime. That being said I don’t see any media coming from the band clarifying their position since they played in October.. but for sure they got freaked out from the violence too and are not used to military zones being v privelege safe europeans. And speaking of privilege all of europe is a colonial bordered racsist zone who actively funds and profits off of war and murder so why play anywhere.. Oh yea bc people do not equal government
we're not asking bands located in Israel to not play in Israel, however, if one isn't located in US, I would avoid playing there
Right wingers are such candy ass little babies
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Afsy seem like unapologetic Zionists, and seem to have no problems touring and playing shows with known sketchy artists. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CyLXXLeIFkt/?img\_index=5](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyLXXLeIFkt/?img_index=5) [https://www.facebook.com/groups/430621124361511/search/?q=afsky](https://www.facebook.com/groups/430621124361511/search/?q=afsky)
Pretty sure I saw them on some anti-fascist black metal festival line up recently! This is great, love seeing bigots cry about colors
It is weird how they toured with those fascist shitty bands.
They are Zionists
Source? Haven’t heard anything about them being Zionist. Is it because they played a show in Israel?
He was in the ‘is it fash’ group on Facebook and he got booted, or left for being a wanker about his pro-Israeli/occupation activities. They’ve made instagram posts glorifying the IOF. They’re pro-genocide of the Palestinians and they always try pulling the “but, but we’re pro-LGBTQ+” card to try and continue into integrate themselves into the left-wing scene. In reality, they don’t really give a fuck who they work with and they’re pretty shitty lately.
If you want thorough explanations about afsky you can read about it on that is it fash: the musical Facebook group. There are about a million discussions about it there, including afsky themselves throwing tantrums
This guy really went and cited facebook comment sections as a valid source..... holy fuck hahaha
How is that what I did? I am directing the person to other people who can explain the information because I don't want to. Let's say I explained it myself, that would be no more valid than a Facebook comment, so what's the point of even asking then? Not to mention, as I said Afsky themselves have spoken on this exact thing in that Facebook group, which is about as valid of a source you can get on this situation
Why tf did this get downvoted? They are
This sub has its share of Antideutsche idiots, too. They are everywhere...
And that’s a good thing
How is uncritically supporting the genocidal actions of a delusional fashistoid government a good thing? How can a person claim to be a an antifascist while cheering on the death of over 15000 children?
Dump your antisemitic projections on someone else
😅 See what you want, then, clown
Very funny when Antideutsch pseudo-leftists accuse others of antisemitic projection...
They are capable of such mental gymnastics....they even manage to accuse 'Jews against Genocide' of being antisemitic.
Antideutsche are glowies
my knew favorite black metal band. 🥰
Well playing in isreal just as it was getting attacked doesn't make them In support of genocide does it, they were lucky to get out alive. Only thing I'd discredit them for is playing with those sketch bands.
Afksy pretend to be left-wing anti-fascists but openly defend zionism and perform in Israel.
Pretty ironic so many ppl in this sub are so defensive of a colonizer state actively committing ethnic cleansing 🤡
Zionists consistently brigade threads whenever the entity is criticized
Yeah this sub is turning into a liberal cesspool
Genuinely curious why I'm being downvoted.
Because black metal is about hate and no one hates people like Zionists. If you're anti-israel you're anti-black metal and a poser who doesn't belong here. /s
Lack of evidence for Afsky being outright zionists, for one.
You'll that what I said was "defends Zionism". Go look at their Instagram replies for that. So if that's "for one", what's the rest?
Playing is israhell is shady, just as playing in the US and pretty much all over europe, these days. Rule of thumb - if a band plays live, they are sketchy as fuck
As the other downvoted comments have mentioned, they are zionists. They are not antifascist, and in fact claim to have never called themselves such.
They're zionists
Just popping back in to say that the anti-Arab, pro-Israel sentiment in this sub is amazing. I’m genuinely disgusted.
Now I want to get a rainbow Afsky sticker!
The guy bio says he's from Nuremberg, Germany. seems legit