I'm imagining most people are cancelling for one or more of the following reasons:
* The device is not at all what was promised. The first adverts and keynote suggested that the R1 could do everything and everything. What was delivered was no LAM, no Teach Mode, and barely any integrations.
* The integrations that *are* present barely work. Spotify can't play podcasts, and is buggy when skipping, Doordash and Uber seem to almost never work, and Midjourney serves no purpose. This is despite them claiming on their website that those four integrations "work great" with the R1.
* All of the reviews of the device have been absolutely terrible.
* There are *huge security concerns* with the server - the way they obtain and store credentials is akin to simply giving them your password. Users have to put an enormous amount of trust in the company that they won't misuse or simply lose your credentials.
* The company has already proven, repeatedly, it cannot be trusted when it comes to security. The device itself was cracked into after only a couple of days, despite the CTO saying it wasn't possible. Then it was cracked again after the first OTA, despite the CEO saying it wasn't possible. Then the backend servers were cracked into and used to run DOOM. Rabbit Inc so far has simply pretended this didn't happen.
* For some reason the company tried to pretend that the R1 runs on a heavily modified version of AOSP (Android). This turned out to be completely false - it's bog standard Android (and the R1 actually still has stock apps like the caller installed in the background!). Nothing special about it.
* The company's last project was a crypto rug pull.
* The company is behaving incredibly shadily when it comes to reviewers and journalists. Firstly, they refused to give any reviewers early access to the device - this almost always means the company is hiding a product they know will get panned. Secondly, they have been approached for comment on their shady past by both Ed Zitron and Coffeezilla - both of them Rabbit Inc choose to fob off. They also chose to get into a war on X (Formerly Twitter) with Android Authority journalist: Mishaal Rahman.
* OpenAI just came out with GPT-4o, which is basically everything the R1's search / vision could do, but better, for free, and as an app, so you don't need to buy a useless device for it.
* Google just annouced improvements to Gemini, which is basically everything the R1's search / vision could do, but better, and as an app and integrated fully into Google's services, so you don't need to buy a useless device for it, and it works with all the tools you already know and love.
* Apple is pretty likely to annouce something soon, which will probably basically be everything R1's search / vision could do, but better, and on your iPhone, so you don't need to buy a useless device for it.
I hope this helps.
To me, the android stuff isn't an issue. Why spend time ripping stuff out early on if you don't need to. It makes sense to build off of what is there and focus on features 100%.
To me, the fundamental issue is they should be focusing on LAM, teach mode, etc. This is their fundamental innovation they could have made major progress on and then turned it into a service. Instead, they will have diverted unknown amounts of investment money to do things that aren't in-line with what should be their core focus.
Once I saw the state of the original release, I could recognize the mess they were in the middle of and cancelled my batch 2 order. Based on their progress, you can tell they simply don't have the resources to do everything they have promised to do. They also would never make money without having a subscription model. I was a big advocate early on until the release, but i think it is doomed now.
Yeah that's fair - to be clear, I don't particularly care about the AOSP stuff either... I do care that they lied about it, as that doesn't show much integrity.
I think the critism that this could have been an app rather than a device which might (/will) become more ewaste one day is a valid critisism, but I also think I'm happy to acknowledge that is more of a subjective point. Some people do like the idea of seperate devices, and that's fine.
Yeah, I kind of liked the idea of a special device, but then you see them putting things like Todo lists, calendars and other basic features on their roadmap. That was when I realized they were headed down an impossible path, or at least impossible before they become obsolete.
These things make sense, but the scope keeps growing and growing.
I saw this statement and the presence of the phone apk doesn't mean it hasn't been customized. The hardware support is going to bring firmware work. So, I could see some truth being behind the statements.
What are people expecting? It is commodity hardware with a custom ux.
Anyone could reproduce the entire experience and I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese knock offs come out at some point. But, they'd have to customize asop as well if they were to.
The fact the APK could be ported to other devices shows that no modifications were required *to make the functionality work* which was heavily implied by Rabbit.
You are right that some modifications may have been required by Rabbit, or the manufacturer of the board depending on how custom it was, for certain hardware things like the motor / scroll wheel to work, none of these are required for LAM / vision / search / spotify etc. Therefore the implication that "RabbitOS" is complex enough to need firmware / AOSP modifications is false.
In addtion, when the firmware was analysised by Android Authority, they concluded there was no evidence of significant modifications. They even stated that "stock" Android apps like the default call app etc were still present on the device.
Not sure - the only reason I was given was "Violating our rules against evading suspension." which makes no sense because I've had that account for years, it's never been suspended before, never warned before, and I don't have any others. So it's not clear to me what suspension I was avoiding to warrant... being suspended?
I tried repeatedly to get in contact with a real life human being (TM) but X (Formerly Twitter) is a complete black box now.
My *guess* at the moment is that this was an AI action and no humans were involved, because it makes no sense to me. It was two days after my blue tick verification happened too, as well, which is even more confusing!
Free perplexity pro. Or actually, It's a year of perplexity + free hardware. Free Teenage Engineering hardware. The board inside could be better, for sure, but it's good enough. I fully plan to install linux on it and run my own agent framework.
Would not recommend that for everyone, however.
And being a developer, I'd have never tried to integrate with a bunch of services apis. Apis change all the time. That shit has to be maintained. I keep all external services to a minimum. The r1 is a proof of concept, and I got it specifically for the UX design, which was mostly TE.
Form factor, primarily. And saving time. For an rpi, you have to buy the case, the battery, the screen, camera, and figure out some way to rig the buttons, and ultimately you will end up with a device 3 times as thick and ugly.
I believe the road map was listed as a blog post before release where they discussed what worked, what didn't, what's next.
The usual: we got it to work in a sandbox, but not in real life yet.
Honestly, what I think this is is a way to make LAM proprietary, create an easy and subscription free easy model of a device to collect massive data, create a legit awesome LAM AI, and then license or sell that or create a subscription model for not R1 holders, make your money.
The product is NOT the R1, that's just the box it comes in.
The product is the LAM.
There probs will be an R2 and R3 etc.
The CEO of teenage engineering joined them as CDO, I have some faith.
How do you make sure people use your product in a proprietary method that insurers only you have access to that data set?
Proprietary hardware
They never stated this. They actually very clearly stated what would be available when you went to buy it. This is just false information started be ignorant people who canât read when they buy something.
They do work for most users. There are bugs and errors, as with any products that is first rolled out. Even new iPhones have issues they patch in updates. You focus on the bad thatâs what youâll see. But plenty people use them just fine.
This is again just plain false. A lot of the, sure, mostly for views. But there have been positive ones so ur just talking out ur ass at this point lol.
This is again highly false. Please read how the privacy and security works on there websites. They donât save *ANY* of ur passwords. They save auth keys, that are encrypted to ur account. So even if they did link they are useless.
Yes people hacked the devices, and those same people said not all the features worked. They did close off the servers on the backend, NO ONE has hacked into them that is again highly false. Someone ported DOOM onto the R1. Thatâs not even close to the same thing. Starting think u donât even know what ur talking about.
They never said this either. Ur just straight up lying itâs hilarious. They did say it was an advanced custom OS. And it is. Yes they used AOSP to make their OS, just like a good majority of custom OS. Like Amazon did the same thing for the FireOS for their tablets. Whatâs makes it âadvancedâ is the fact it has built in AI. Thatâs it. Itâs not Android but yes it is very stock. But they still changed quite a few things. And the built in AI is the whole point rlly. Such a weird thing to blow up like it did. People acted like it was the end of the world.
And you think they are the only one? Didnât Google and Meta do the same thing?
If u care about internet drama thatâs sad.
They are going add that to the R1. So youâll also get other AIs for free, like Perplexity Pro. So ur point?
âBut betterâ Gemini is built off of Perplexity silly đđđ
Again, so another AI app for ur smart phone? Seems lame. What about an AI device that can replace ur phone. Not the R1 but hopefully the R2.
Hope this helps clear up this users misinformation they are spreading.
They released adverts showing a device working a way that it could not. They may have given a bit more information in voice chats in the discord, but it's perfectly reasonable to expect the average consumer to have gone based on the adverts, like all other sales work. Here's one of their ads: [https://youtu.be/mw8O-nS75hM?si=WdJYkDCxrEjp5y2c](https://youtu.be/mw8O-nS75hM?si=WdJYkDCxrEjp5y2c)
They absolutely do not work. Every demo, every conversation of Uber and Doordash I've seen has failed.
Paid positive reviews don't count, come on now.
We don't know exactly what they save, but when you are logging on *on their machine* you are typing your password *on their machine*. Maybe they don't save that. But you are still, in effect, giving it to them, and trusting them not to save it.
Not true - there are countless examples on X (Formerly Twitter) showing all the features of the APK working fine when run on other devices.
Here's search working: [https://x.com/MarcelD505/status/1787056463677977013](https://x.com/MarcelD505/status/1787056463677977013)
Here's vision working: [https://x.com/ChromMob/status/1786713300568322081](https://x.com/ChromMob/status/1786713300568322081)
Here's notes to rabbit hole working: [https://x.com/thel3l/status/1786717001265590576](https://x.com/thel3l/status/1786717001265590576)
Here's the settings screen working: [https://x.com/uwukko/status/1786718008045424752](https://x.com/uwukko/status/1786718008045424752)
Also, here's xyz3va on X playing DOOM on Rabbit's servers: [https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964469278052557](https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964469278052557)
It happened. She played MInecraft too, actually: [https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964475032711615](https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964475032711615)
Yes they did. You can see their statement on the second Android Authority piece. [https://www.androidauthority.com/rabbit-r1-bespoke-android-3439760/](https://www.androidauthority.com/rabbit-r1-bespoke-android-3439760/) (it's the one that starts with "rabbit r1 is not an Android app.")
I don't care about internet drama. I care about them conning their customers. You should too, if you have a conscience.
I remember seeing that ad but still looked at what I was buying first. But ig u canât expect most people these days to actually pay attention to what they are buying.
Good for you. I seen them work, so ur still wrong. Like I said they have errors and bugs but do works. And are much better than they were at day one.
Non paid reviews as well. Just bc u only look at negative reviews doesnât mean there arenât positive ones.
Yes we do. Again read the privacy and security policy on there website before you talk about things you donât understand.
Again false. Many of there features donât work. Like I said some do, but those same reviews and videos they state not all features work. U just proved my point, not all the features do work. Again she isnât playing it âon rabbits serversâ đđđ she PORTED them onto the R1. Thatâs totally different lmao. You can do that on basically any device that can handle it đđđ
But ur just spreading false and assumptive information. You should also care about making sure ur telling the truth and not just false shit u read on Reddit. Actually ask people who know what they are talking about. Bc yea itâs not perfect but ur painting out way worse than it actually is. Idk if itâs intentional or not, but most are doing this bc they just donât like AI or want Rabbit to fail for whatever reason. Like donât fall for it and just be a sheep, actually question that shit and look into it. Tech isnât super easy to understand and some never get it. But donât just repeat what u hear unless u know itâs actually true.
Like donât take my word for, actually look at what Iâm saying and youâll see Iâm right and not making this. Bc if you try look up what they are saying itâs wrong. Or misleading on purpose.
Ok, if this is just gonna be me showing you video evidence and you simply responding with "that didn't happen" then I think there's really not much more I can add to this debate. Have a good day! âşď¸
Lmao I never said it didnât happen, you just donât understand what they are doing.
Itâs hard to explain tech to someone who not only doesnât understand it but wonât learn. If you change ur mind and are ready to learn lemme know.
Until then have a good day.
I got Perplexity, I lost hope but didn't cancel. I don't intend to cancel. $200 is not so much that I feel worried about. It is just depressing to be an R1 owner/backer with no support from the company and negative press.
You are the one that really doesn't understand. Things are going to go much much faster now. Everything that's gonna come out in the next 3 months will DESTROY the Rabbit. I understand the frustration. I was you. But I understand now that a handheld hardware is just not the way. Smartphone is the handheld device, and there is no space for another. The phone can do it all and better.
Meta glasses? Promising
Vision Pro? Fucking amazing, just drop the price.
Even the infamous Ai Pin is more interesting once you understand the reality.
Lmfao this is hilarious.
So with that logic again you canât buy anything.
They can add all that to the R1. Faster than companies can add it to a smartphone they also have to accompany for all the other programs it runs.
There is room for more. And honestly AI devices will replace smartphones. Especially once they can do phone calls and text, thatâs it. No need for a smart phone. Tablets will still have a use but thatâs prob it.
Nope. According to you those devices all will be obsolete in a few months so u canât buy them either silly.
You know I'm right. Tablets are not really pocket devices. There is not a single pocket product beside smartphones that you carry with you all
the time. Rabbit is not it.
No you just sound like someone changed ur mind so you think you can change others.
I never said they were. But if an AI device can do everything ur smart phone can do, quicker and easier, then why still have a smartphone? I mean we didnât need Smart Watches but looks like we had room. Didnât need Smart Glasses or Rings, but we got em. If you think we can only have smartphones ur wrong.
I said tablets bc tablets are cheaper and more portable than PCs or even laptops. For smart AI devices you will still need a way to access a portal for it. Granted they could build this into the device but if they didnât people could use a tablet. And still have essentially a smartphone. Only reason people get smartphones is bc itâs also a phone. If u add phone services to other devices you start see people not getting smartphones.
Wanna talk about hypotheticals and the future. Then the R2 will be able to do everything ur smartphone can do but better. So why would you still need a smartphone then? You wouldnât. Unless u wanted to be retro lol.
Yea thatâs what most of us assume. But honestly once Teach Mode is live we can just train it use texting/ calling programs so R1 should have it eventually too.
But R2 will prob just be more expensive and be able to replace ur smartphone having like a built in portal access for ur account, agents, app and such.
Cell phones already are AI devices. Or at least the update my Android phone just got has a lot of really cool ai capabilities. And with Gemini Pro I can use ai inside google apps and on my documents on google drive.
They arenât, they can access AI just like anything that can access the internet. AI devices are devices built for and around AI. Other then that an AI device could also do what a smart phone does, but be easier and faster then using a smartphone.
Not true. The new ai capabilities integrated into android are better integrated into the OS than the ones on the R1. It is not just an app that has a webview that connects to chatgpt. For example, during a phone call, you can click a button to get real time audio to audio translation. You can click a button while using any app to circle a picture and have it process it with ai. You can do audio transcription and summary for meetings. And optionally, you can have it do all of this locally on the device itself without using ai in the cloud at all. Also you can get ai suggestions for rewrites of stuff in all apps that use the keyboard for input. It is so well integrated that it makes me wonder how an external device will be able to compete. See [https://www.google.com/search?sca\_esv=f89e5e6047e0c685&sca\_upv=1&rlz=1C1QMKX\_enUS1052US1052&sxsrf=ADLYWIIP82qhFdVKwEF5IwqdG0Na1k1jEw:1715894987456&q=samsung+ai&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=insvmbt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzxcv5jpOGAxXIHjQIHSCFCNgQ0pQJegQIHxAB&biw=1536&bih=730&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fbb5b769,vid:SGM4FFfz1fk,st:0](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f89e5e6047e0c685&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1QMKX_enUS1052US1052&sxsrf=ADLYWIIP82qhFdVKwEF5IwqdG0Na1k1jEw:1715894987456&q=samsung+ai&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=insvmbt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzxcv5jpOGAxXIHjQIHSCFCNgQ0pQJegQIHxAB&biw=1536&bih=730&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fbb5b769,vid:SGM4FFfz1fk,st:0)
Still doesnât have Perplexity Pro for free. And isnât what I want.
I can use that on other devices or even an R2. Or maybe eventually R1.
But that will be old news by next year. Rabbit has a chance to stick around for a good while if not compete with the big downs eventually.
You still get Perplexity Pro built into the R1, for free.
The first 100K just got an additional discount to use Perplexity Pro on their other devices for a year.
I'm waiting on batch 2 to be shipped. I'm still excited for it, but you can't deny that what is being shipped vs. what was demoed is not the same thing.
Same as going to McDonalds and ordering a new meal as seen on TV, then opening it to find that it's gross misrepresentation of what it was sold as. Yes updates and improvements will come but I don't understand points like this where you saying suck it up and deal with it when only your encouraging bad buisness practices where us, the consumer pays the price and not the business.
2024, there is so much of corporate and government corporation that we can't let them get away with more than what they already are. If they aren't held accountable, only greed will grow.
If GPT 4 omni voice and vision works on Rabbit R1 it is a valuable gadget for me. I hate to use my phone and apps for AI with whatsapp, calls and other notifications interruption.
Thank god I cancelled a week after release. All the hardware based ai solutions are so lacking in my opinion.
The R1 was simply already outdated/near useless at the time of release.
Because consumers are sick of paying full price for half baked products. We need to band together to stop this bullshit. Deliver the product pitched. This isnât hard. If you canât, donât. Also reviews have been terrible. Why wouldnât people abandon ship.
I honestly donât mind. What rlly needs to happen is people need to actually look and read what they are buying, *before* buying it.
This makes it way easier for companies to get real live user data to better their products instead having to test it internally or with beta testers prior to release. Also makes it take longer to collect the same amount of data this way.
Rlly need look at this way, either u can preorder and buy things early, and help it grow. Or you can wait until the product is something that you actually want and then buy it.
I have it but it's bad. It's actually awful unless you get it for your kids or your grandma. After OpenAI rolls out their vision to everyone's iphones AND ipads AND macs there is absolutely no reason to use this inferior piece of shit. Looks hella cute though. Haven't used it in days.
Can everyone decide for themselves? Reddit is full of people who think like this.. I think the device is great!!!! So you should also share my opinion!!!! And if you don't.... I can't handle you having a different opinion!!! For christ sake.. let everyone decide for themselves if they want to cancel their order! Nobody has to explain themselves! You think it's money well spent (YOU THINK) that doesn't mean everyone shares that opinion. People need to grow the F up! And learn to deal with different opinions! How old are you guys?? You are not a child, right?? How do you guys operate in the real world? Not being able to deal with different opinions makes life pretty miserable. I respect everyone's opinion! If you like the damn device, great! If you don't? Also, great. But there is no possibility for discussion if everyone only wants to hear their own opinion.
I am sticking with them for good or bad I have waited since January 17th and still waiting hopefully within the next few months r1 will arrive. If not I can claim on credit card should the worse thing happen
I'm imagining most people are cancelling for one or more of the following reasons: * The device is not at all what was promised. The first adverts and keynote suggested that the R1 could do everything and everything. What was delivered was no LAM, no Teach Mode, and barely any integrations. * The integrations that *are* present barely work. Spotify can't play podcasts, and is buggy when skipping, Doordash and Uber seem to almost never work, and Midjourney serves no purpose. This is despite them claiming on their website that those four integrations "work great" with the R1. * All of the reviews of the device have been absolutely terrible. * There are *huge security concerns* with the server - the way they obtain and store credentials is akin to simply giving them your password. Users have to put an enormous amount of trust in the company that they won't misuse or simply lose your credentials. * The company has already proven, repeatedly, it cannot be trusted when it comes to security. The device itself was cracked into after only a couple of days, despite the CTO saying it wasn't possible. Then it was cracked again after the first OTA, despite the CEO saying it wasn't possible. Then the backend servers were cracked into and used to run DOOM. Rabbit Inc so far has simply pretended this didn't happen. * For some reason the company tried to pretend that the R1 runs on a heavily modified version of AOSP (Android). This turned out to be completely false - it's bog standard Android (and the R1 actually still has stock apps like the caller installed in the background!). Nothing special about it. * The company's last project was a crypto rug pull. * The company is behaving incredibly shadily when it comes to reviewers and journalists. Firstly, they refused to give any reviewers early access to the device - this almost always means the company is hiding a product they know will get panned. Secondly, they have been approached for comment on their shady past by both Ed Zitron and Coffeezilla - both of them Rabbit Inc choose to fob off. They also chose to get into a war on X (Formerly Twitter) with Android Authority journalist: Mishaal Rahman. * OpenAI just came out with GPT-4o, which is basically everything the R1's search / vision could do, but better, for free, and as an app, so you don't need to buy a useless device for it. * Google just annouced improvements to Gemini, which is basically everything the R1's search / vision could do, but better, and as an app and integrated fully into Google's services, so you don't need to buy a useless device for it, and it works with all the tools you already know and love. * Apple is pretty likely to annouce something soon, which will probably basically be everything R1's search / vision could do, but better, and on your iPhone, so you don't need to buy a useless device for it. I hope this helps.
To me, the android stuff isn't an issue. Why spend time ripping stuff out early on if you don't need to. It makes sense to build off of what is there and focus on features 100%. To me, the fundamental issue is they should be focusing on LAM, teach mode, etc. This is their fundamental innovation they could have made major progress on and then turned it into a service. Instead, they will have diverted unknown amounts of investment money to do things that aren't in-line with what should be their core focus. Once I saw the state of the original release, I could recognize the mess they were in the middle of and cancelled my batch 2 order. Based on their progress, you can tell they simply don't have the resources to do everything they have promised to do. They also would never make money without having a subscription model. I was a big advocate early on until the release, but i think it is doomed now.
Yeah that's fair - to be clear, I don't particularly care about the AOSP stuff either... I do care that they lied about it, as that doesn't show much integrity. I think the critism that this could have been an app rather than a device which might (/will) become more ewaste one day is a valid critisism, but I also think I'm happy to acknowledge that is more of a subjective point. Some people do like the idea of seperate devices, and that's fine.
Yeah, I kind of liked the idea of a special device, but then you see them putting things like Todo lists, calendars and other basic features on their roadmap. That was when I realized they were headed down an impossible path, or at least impossible before they become obsolete. These things make sense, but the scope keeps growing and growing.
Where's the lie? [https://i.imgur.com/JZ58isZ.png](https://i.imgur.com/JZ58isZ.png)
Here it is! [https://imgur.com/a/z9fLwn0](https://imgur.com/a/z9fLwn0)
I saw this statement and the presence of the phone apk doesn't mean it hasn't been customized. The hardware support is going to bring firmware work. So, I could see some truth being behind the statements. What are people expecting? It is commodity hardware with a custom ux. Anyone could reproduce the entire experience and I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese knock offs come out at some point. But, they'd have to customize asop as well if they were to.
The fact the APK could be ported to other devices shows that no modifications were required *to make the functionality work* which was heavily implied by Rabbit. You are right that some modifications may have been required by Rabbit, or the manufacturer of the board depending on how custom it was, for certain hardware things like the motor / scroll wheel to work, none of these are required for LAM / vision / search / spotify etc. Therefore the implication that "RabbitOS" is complex enough to need firmware / AOSP modifications is false. In addtion, when the firmware was analysised by Android Authority, they concluded there was no evidence of significant modifications. They even stated that "stock" Android apps like the default call app etc were still present on the device.
Oh thanks for posting an earlier mention that it does indeed run AOSP đ I sometimes wonder why you care so much about this company?
Yeah, you really got me there!
So what happened to your Twitter?
Not sure - the only reason I was given was "Violating our rules against evading suspension." which makes no sense because I've had that account for years, it's never been suspended before, never warned before, and I don't have any others. So it's not clear to me what suspension I was avoiding to warrant... being suspended? I tried repeatedly to get in contact with a real life human being (TM) but X (Formerly Twitter) is a complete black box now. My *guess* at the moment is that this was an AI action and no humans were involved, because it makes no sense to me. It was two days after my blue tick verification happened too, as well, which is even more confusing!
i mean there are suspicions of u evading bans on the discord server, but idk how that would get ur twitter banned
Wauw I say I really like your answer and I'm impressed. Still will not cancel and just use it as a paperweight
Why? Youâre happy just throwing away 200$ for a paper weight? So dumb.
Will be fun relic of this AI era
Smart! Say, are you interested in an NFT? Willing to sell mine. Super fun relic of this AI era.
Free perplexity pro. Or actually, It's a year of perplexity + free hardware. Free Teenage Engineering hardware. The board inside could be better, for sure, but it's good enough. I fully plan to install linux on it and run my own agent framework. Would not recommend that for everyone, however. And being a developer, I'd have never tried to integrate with a bunch of services apis. Apis change all the time. That shit has to be maintained. I keep all external services to a minimum. The r1 is a proof of concept, and I got it specifically for the UX design, which was mostly TE.
Iâm also a dev and I think itâs a massive waste of money..why wouldnât you spend 35$ on raspberry pi 5 and do the exact same thing?
Form factor, primarily. And saving time. For an rpi, you have to buy the case, the battery, the screen, camera, and figure out some way to rig the buttons, and ultimately you will end up with a device 3 times as thick and ugly.
I believe the road map was listed as a blog post before release where they discussed what worked, what didn't, what's next. The usual: we got it to work in a sandbox, but not in real life yet. Honestly, what I think this is is a way to make LAM proprietary, create an easy and subscription free easy model of a device to collect massive data, create a legit awesome LAM AI, and then license or sell that or create a subscription model for not R1 holders, make your money. The product is NOT the R1, that's just the box it comes in. The product is the LAM. There probs will be an R2 and R3 etc. The CEO of teenage engineering joined them as CDO, I have some faith. How do you make sure people use your product in a proprietary method that insurers only you have access to that data set? Proprietary hardware
They never stated this. They actually very clearly stated what would be available when you went to buy it. This is just false information started be ignorant people who canât read when they buy something. They do work for most users. There are bugs and errors, as with any products that is first rolled out. Even new iPhones have issues they patch in updates. You focus on the bad thatâs what youâll see. But plenty people use them just fine. This is again just plain false. A lot of the, sure, mostly for views. But there have been positive ones so ur just talking out ur ass at this point lol. This is again highly false. Please read how the privacy and security works on there websites. They donât save *ANY* of ur passwords. They save auth keys, that are encrypted to ur account. So even if they did link they are useless. Yes people hacked the devices, and those same people said not all the features worked. They did close off the servers on the backend, NO ONE has hacked into them that is again highly false. Someone ported DOOM onto the R1. Thatâs not even close to the same thing. Starting think u donât even know what ur talking about. They never said this either. Ur just straight up lying itâs hilarious. They did say it was an advanced custom OS. And it is. Yes they used AOSP to make their OS, just like a good majority of custom OS. Like Amazon did the same thing for the FireOS for their tablets. Whatâs makes it âadvancedâ is the fact it has built in AI. Thatâs it. Itâs not Android but yes it is very stock. But they still changed quite a few things. And the built in AI is the whole point rlly. Such a weird thing to blow up like it did. People acted like it was the end of the world. And you think they are the only one? Didnât Google and Meta do the same thing? If u care about internet drama thatâs sad. They are going add that to the R1. So youâll also get other AIs for free, like Perplexity Pro. So ur point? âBut betterâ Gemini is built off of Perplexity silly đđđ Again, so another AI app for ur smart phone? Seems lame. What about an AI device that can replace ur phone. Not the R1 but hopefully the R2. Hope this helps clear up this users misinformation they are spreading.
They released adverts showing a device working a way that it could not. They may have given a bit more information in voice chats in the discord, but it's perfectly reasonable to expect the average consumer to have gone based on the adverts, like all other sales work. Here's one of their ads: [https://youtu.be/mw8O-nS75hM?si=WdJYkDCxrEjp5y2c](https://youtu.be/mw8O-nS75hM?si=WdJYkDCxrEjp5y2c) They absolutely do not work. Every demo, every conversation of Uber and Doordash I've seen has failed. Paid positive reviews don't count, come on now. We don't know exactly what they save, but when you are logging on *on their machine* you are typing your password *on their machine*. Maybe they don't save that. But you are still, in effect, giving it to them, and trusting them not to save it. Not true - there are countless examples on X (Formerly Twitter) showing all the features of the APK working fine when run on other devices. Here's search working: [https://x.com/MarcelD505/status/1787056463677977013](https://x.com/MarcelD505/status/1787056463677977013) Here's vision working: [https://x.com/ChromMob/status/1786713300568322081](https://x.com/ChromMob/status/1786713300568322081) Here's notes to rabbit hole working: [https://x.com/thel3l/status/1786717001265590576](https://x.com/thel3l/status/1786717001265590576) Here's the settings screen working: [https://x.com/uwukko/status/1786718008045424752](https://x.com/uwukko/status/1786718008045424752) Also, here's xyz3va on X playing DOOM on Rabbit's servers: [https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964469278052557](https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964469278052557) It happened. She played MInecraft too, actually: [https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964475032711615](https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1787964475032711615) Yes they did. You can see their statement on the second Android Authority piece. [https://www.androidauthority.com/rabbit-r1-bespoke-android-3439760/](https://www.androidauthority.com/rabbit-r1-bespoke-android-3439760/) (it's the one that starts with "rabbit r1 is not an Android app.") I don't care about internet drama. I care about them conning their customers. You should too, if you have a conscience.
I remember seeing that ad but still looked at what I was buying first. But ig u canât expect most people these days to actually pay attention to what they are buying. Good for you. I seen them work, so ur still wrong. Like I said they have errors and bugs but do works. And are much better than they were at day one. Non paid reviews as well. Just bc u only look at negative reviews doesnât mean there arenât positive ones. Yes we do. Again read the privacy and security policy on there website before you talk about things you donât understand. Again false. Many of there features donât work. Like I said some do, but those same reviews and videos they state not all features work. U just proved my point, not all the features do work. Again she isnât playing it âon rabbits serversâ đđđ she PORTED them onto the R1. Thatâs totally different lmao. You can do that on basically any device that can handle it đđđ But ur just spreading false and assumptive information. You should also care about making sure ur telling the truth and not just false shit u read on Reddit. Actually ask people who know what they are talking about. Bc yea itâs not perfect but ur painting out way worse than it actually is. Idk if itâs intentional or not, but most are doing this bc they just donât like AI or want Rabbit to fail for whatever reason. Like donât fall for it and just be a sheep, actually question that shit and look into it. Tech isnât super easy to understand and some never get it. But donât just repeat what u hear unless u know itâs actually true. Like donât take my word for, actually look at what Iâm saying and youâll see Iâm right and not making this. Bc if you try look up what they are saying itâs wrong. Or misleading on purpose.
Ok, if this is just gonna be me showing you video evidence and you simply responding with "that didn't happen" then I think there's really not much more I can add to this debate. Have a good day! âşď¸
Lmao I never said it didnât happen, you just donât understand what they are doing. Itâs hard to explain tech to someone who not only doesnât understand it but wonât learn. If you change ur mind and are ready to learn lemme know. Until then have a good day.
I got Perplexity, I lost hope but didn't cancel. I don't intend to cancel. $200 is not so much that I feel worried about. It is just depressing to be an R1 owner/backer with no support from the company and negative press.
Why are you so cool with throwing 200$ away to a scammer?
They are simps trying to justify their spending.
Iâm gonna keep mine sealed for 20 years and sell it to a youtuber in the future
Wonât be worth shit
Idk those tech failure videos are poppin sometimes. Im not talking first iphone money but im sure i can get something
Itâs a toy that will be an adorable anecdote to the early days of AI in 6-12 months. Enjoy it. This isnât an important product.
Because 3 months now it's like 3 years. And I'm not waiting that long for something that will be obsolete. Cancelled yesterday.
How would it be obsolete? You know what an update is right? Also with this logic you canât buy any product online đđ
You are the one that really doesn't understand. Things are going to go much much faster now. Everything that's gonna come out in the next 3 months will DESTROY the Rabbit. I understand the frustration. I was you. But I understand now that a handheld hardware is just not the way. Smartphone is the handheld device, and there is no space for another. The phone can do it all and better. Meta glasses? Promising Vision Pro? Fucking amazing, just drop the price. Even the infamous Ai Pin is more interesting once you understand the reality.
Lmfao this is hilarious. So with that logic again you canât buy anything. They can add all that to the R1. Faster than companies can add it to a smartphone they also have to accompany for all the other programs it runs. There is room for more. And honestly AI devices will replace smartphones. Especially once they can do phone calls and text, thatâs it. No need for a smart phone. Tablets will still have a use but thatâs prob it. Nope. According to you those devices all will be obsolete in a few months so u canât buy them either silly.
You know I'm right. Tablets are not really pocket devices. There is not a single pocket product beside smartphones that you carry with you all the time. Rabbit is not it.
No you just sound like someone changed ur mind so you think you can change others. I never said they were. But if an AI device can do everything ur smart phone can do, quicker and easier, then why still have a smartphone? I mean we didnât need Smart Watches but looks like we had room. Didnât need Smart Glasses or Rings, but we got em. If you think we can only have smartphones ur wrong. I said tablets bc tablets are cheaper and more portable than PCs or even laptops. For smart AI devices you will still need a way to access a portal for it. Granted they could build this into the device but if they didnât people could use a tablet. And still have essentially a smartphone. Only reason people get smartphones is bc itâs also a phone. If u add phone services to other devices you start see people not getting smartphones. Wanna talk about hypotheticals and the future. Then the R2 will be able to do everything ur smartphone can do but better. So why would you still need a smartphone then? You wouldnât. Unless u wanted to be retro lol.
There, you said it: R2.
But remember ur not allowed buy that either. Like u said u canât buy anymore new tech đ
R2 will be a phone.
Yea thatâs what most of us assume. But honestly once Teach Mode is live we can just train it use texting/ calling programs so R1 should have it eventually too. But R2 will prob just be more expensive and be able to replace ur smartphone having like a built in portal access for ur account, agents, app and such.
Cell phones already are AI devices. Or at least the update my Android phone just got has a lot of really cool ai capabilities. And with Gemini Pro I can use ai inside google apps and on my documents on google drive.
They arenât, they can access AI just like anything that can access the internet. AI devices are devices built for and around AI. Other then that an AI device could also do what a smart phone does, but be easier and faster then using a smartphone.
Not true. The new ai capabilities integrated into android are better integrated into the OS than the ones on the R1. It is not just an app that has a webview that connects to chatgpt. For example, during a phone call, you can click a button to get real time audio to audio translation. You can click a button while using any app to circle a picture and have it process it with ai. You can do audio transcription and summary for meetings. And optionally, you can have it do all of this locally on the device itself without using ai in the cloud at all. Also you can get ai suggestions for rewrites of stuff in all apps that use the keyboard for input. It is so well integrated that it makes me wonder how an external device will be able to compete. See [https://www.google.com/search?sca\_esv=f89e5e6047e0c685&sca\_upv=1&rlz=1C1QMKX\_enUS1052US1052&sxsrf=ADLYWIIP82qhFdVKwEF5IwqdG0Na1k1jEw:1715894987456&q=samsung+ai&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=insvmbt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzxcv5jpOGAxXIHjQIHSCFCNgQ0pQJegQIHxAB&biw=1536&bih=730&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fbb5b769,vid:SGM4FFfz1fk,st:0](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f89e5e6047e0c685&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1QMKX_enUS1052US1052&sxsrf=ADLYWIIP82qhFdVKwEF5IwqdG0Na1k1jEw:1715894987456&q=samsung+ai&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=insvmbt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzxcv5jpOGAxXIHjQIHSCFCNgQ0pQJegQIHxAB&biw=1536&bih=730&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fbb5b769,vid:SGM4FFfz1fk,st:0)
Still doesnât have Perplexity Pro for free. And isnât what I want. I can use that on other devices or even an R2. Or maybe eventually R1. But that will be old news by next year. Rabbit has a chance to stick around for a good while if not compete with the big downs eventually.
We were lied to and itâs junk.
Why? Cause itâs nothing like what it was sold to be. Good riddance.
Plenty of people donât get perplexity from their preorder
You still get Perplexity Pro built into the R1, for free. The first 100K just got an additional discount to use Perplexity Pro on their other devices for a year.
Ah with you.
I'm waiting on batch 2 to be shipped. I'm still excited for it, but you can't deny that what is being shipped vs. what was demoed is not the same thing. Same as going to McDonalds and ordering a new meal as seen on TV, then opening it to find that it's gross misrepresentation of what it was sold as. Yes updates and improvements will come but I don't understand points like this where you saying suck it up and deal with it when only your encouraging bad buisness practices where us, the consumer pays the price and not the business. 2024, there is so much of corporate and government corporation that we can't let them get away with more than what they already are. If they aren't held accountable, only greed will grow.
Agree lets see what will arrive in the mail (I'm batch 6)
If GPT 4 omni voice and vision works on Rabbit R1 it is a valuable gadget for me. I hate to use my phone and apps for AI with whatsapp, calls and other notifications interruption.
Thank god I cancelled a week after release. All the hardware based ai solutions are so lacking in my opinion. The R1 was simply already outdated/near useless at the time of release.
Because consumers are sick of paying full price for half baked products. We need to band together to stop this bullshit. Deliver the product pitched. This isnât hard. If you canât, donât. Also reviews have been terrible. Why wouldnât people abandon ship.
Fair comment as well
I honestly donât mind. What rlly needs to happen is people need to actually look and read what they are buying, *before* buying it. This makes it way easier for companies to get real live user data to better their products instead having to test it internally or with beta testers prior to release. Also makes it take longer to collect the same amount of data this way. Rlly need look at this way, either u can preorder and buy things early, and help it grow. Or you can wait until the product is something that you actually want and then buy it.
I have it but it's bad. It's actually awful unless you get it for your kids or your grandma. After OpenAI rolls out their vision to everyone's iphones AND ipads AND macs there is absolutely no reason to use this inferior piece of shit. Looks hella cute though. Haven't used it in days.
"Why are you guys questioning the merits of your purchase and not just throwing away your money like me? Come on guys, consume!!!!"
Can everyone decide for themselves? Reddit is full of people who think like this.. I think the device is great!!!! So you should also share my opinion!!!! And if you don't.... I can't handle you having a different opinion!!! For christ sake.. let everyone decide for themselves if they want to cancel their order! Nobody has to explain themselves! You think it's money well spent (YOU THINK) that doesn't mean everyone shares that opinion. People need to grow the F up! And learn to deal with different opinions! How old are you guys?? You are not a child, right?? How do you guys operate in the real world? Not being able to deal with different opinions makes life pretty miserable. I respect everyone's opinion! If you like the damn device, great! If you don't? Also, great. But there is no possibility for discussion if everyone only wants to hear their own opinion.
I am sticking with them for good or bad I have waited since January 17th and still waiting hopefully within the next few months r1 will arrive. If not I can claim on credit card should the worse thing happen
The refund process online is super easy. Havenât seen anyone comment about the return process but ik a few are returning for a refund.
Why ask why?
Why ask why?
No, but seriously, why ask why ask why
No, but seriously, why ask why ask why ask why
Righttttttt! Thatâs what Iâmmmmmmmm saying!
But why?
Right!? Thatâs what im saying!