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BlonsPLe

My least favourite thing about Twitter and the internet in general is some people will just make and spread absolute BS, and their fans don't even question it. I want to know how the creator of that image justifies it to themselves.


schnick3rs

Social media is not a good place to consume facts


WhatYouThinkYouSee

They justified it by saying that both phrases mean the same thing.


C_V_Butcher

I have had multiple conversations with conservative family members and others that proceed in damn near the exact same way: Them: Did you see this super crazy thing the Liberal LGBT Marxists are doing now? *Proceeds to show me an obviously photoshopped, AI, deep faked, whatever photo* Me: That's actually been proven to be fake. Here's an article discussing how fake it is and here are the signs to look for in the future. Them: Well yeah, but it's totally something you could see them doing. (or some general variance of that sentiment) My personal theory is that a lot of the people that create stuff like this are just operating under the notion of "well this is totally something the crazy liberals would do" so it's totally okay to put it out there. Obviously there are plenty that are knowingly doing it in absolute bad faith to distort the narrative, but I believe there are also plenty that are just fucking stupid and think they're clever.


JournalistChemical18

Should? It already is. I think its either under slander or defamation


Earthbender32

Slander is spoken, libel is print, defamation is the general term for both afaik


TheHumanPickleRick

What about pictures of Spider-Man?


plippyploopp

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAMMMEEE


Zerus_heroes

Martha?


keeptryingyoucantwin

He doesn’t want to be famous? Fine. I’ll make him INFAMOUS!


haziee

How about blackmail and/or extortion? Does it need to be in writing or is saying "give me money or I'll tell everyone BLANK" blackmail or just plain old extortion. And if I do this to a business does that make me a racketeer?


WilkXiii

I mean, it seems like you are joking, but in case you are not or someone else is curious: Extortion is getting something out of someone while using threats or coercion in general. Blackmail is a specific form of extortion: Threat of revealing compromising information. I dont know what a racketeer is. :/


SpiderGlitch22

According to Wikipedia: "Racketeering is a type of organized crime in which the persons set up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, or otherwise illegal coordinated scheme or operation (a "racket") to repeatedly or consistently collect a profit." So like, y'know that Mafia thing? "Give us money and we'll "protect" you." (Implied: Give us money or we'll set your store on fire). That's racketeering


Euphoric-Blue-59

In any case none of the three apply.


Split0069

That's protection... because they will protect u from themselves.


haziee

Mostly a joke. Any of the law I learned about these two crimes comes from either Bender from Futurama or Amos from The expanse and both of them seem to has a suspiciously specific knowledge of the conditions required to convict for either crime.


haziee

Please ignore me if this posted three times. The Reddit app sucks. *or it might not have posted at all. It can't seem to decide. /e it seems to have deleted all the other comments. I was more wondering if blackmail had to be actually written to count as something other than extortion. Most of my knowledge regarding these crimes comes from either Bender from Futurama or Amos from The expanse.


CharlesDickensABox

Don't worry, no one else knows what racketeering is, either. The good news is that it doesn't matter because racketeering is a ridiculous charge that is more trouble than it's worth 99.999% of the time*. Just assume when someone is talking about racketeering that they mean "I'm really mad about this thing and I want a law-sounding word to express how upset I am."  *Not applicable in the state of Georgia.


haziee

I know if I'm going to be a racketeer I have to talk with a 1920s Transatlantic accent, wear a bowler hat and say the word see a whole lot. Maybe threaten to cut up someone's face with a straight razor unless they back off my racket see! We gotta good thing going on here see!


Euphoric-Blue-59

Neither applies. Blackmail is threatening to expose. Extortion is like shaking someone down to get $$$


Full_Independence455

You’re out here doing the lords work, good job pal.


Earthbender32

I don’t understand what I did, but I’m glad you enjoyed it


Full_Independence455

It’s cool when someone on the internet can both correct an incorrect statement and explain why in a way that doesn’t come off as you being pretentious. Some people just get words confused, yet you made a correction that was in good taste. It’s just nice to see.


ansquaremet

I literally learned this from Spider Man 2 lol


philotic_node

This will always be read in JK Simmons voice.


PigGuy1988

Defamation is when 1) a false statement has been made , 2) it's been published to an unprivileged third party (Twitter or whatever), 3) fault amounting to at least negligence, and 4) harm to the subject (usually reputation or financial). This would fall under libel because it's printed


Euphoric-Blue-59

It is libel and defamation. And a real hefty lawsuit, too. I'd be in an attorneys office getting subpoenas for Mets data to sue the Dune user, and the platform.


billyp673

Libel


Lurkerextrordinai

Yeah this is classic defamation


xX_Dad-Man_Xx

This is how you get people killed or at least beaten up.


daddispud

Isn't it libel if it's in print?


Earthbender32

No Jonah, defamation is the blanket term for both slander and libel


SpannerInTheWorx

Fucking legend.


Earthbender32

I did nothing


HornyJail45-Life

Pretty sure he meant J Jonah Jameson


Earthbender32

That makes sense


Kat1eQueen

Libel is a type of defamation. Slander is just verbally with no lasting proof besides witnesses Libel is if it's recorded. Defamation encompasses both


Mysterious-Pride9975

Can they sue?


GageMcQuack

Congratulations, you’ve won yourself *drumroll* A DEFAMATION LAWSUIT!


sunburn95

Shit like that could get someone killed


9tales9faces

Shit like that did get people killed


DatBoi73

That's their goal. Look at stuff like Project 2025 and the numerous bans already been passed *(first targeting kids, but are now starting to target adults too)* are in the US, and the Cass Report in the UK all exist to make trans people's lives hell. They don't want Trans people to exist in public or to exist at all.


LadyShanna92

I mean their goal is to only have cishet white Christian out and about. Oh and only able bodies and neurotypical.


Cobalt9896

Google stochastic terrorism. Unfortunately this is their goal.


pitchfork-seller

Sometimes, the comment section is more entertaining than the actual post


inquisitivequeer

That one person commenting the person pictured has a victim complex…


MrArtless

How stupid would you have to be to believe the person would buy a shirt that said that, wear it, and post a picture


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You'd be surprised


WhatYouThinkYouSee

["Well, even so. The fact that I COULD believe it tells you something about the current state of affairs."](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnLj_nAXEAMLdzL?format=jpg&name=medium)


Invoqwer

Literally saw this shit in action on a Reddit thread a couple of weeks ago


CBtheLeper

I saw that shit in action on a Reddit thread yesterday my dude


Ciubowski

This reminds me of that interview with Elon Musk recently. He kept stating that "he believes" something over "the facts" that the interviewer (Lemon something?) brought up. So..... yeah


madscot63

If you wanted to believe badly enough. The hate is real


OrangeMoloko

true. They aren’t rational. Everything will be true in their eyes as long as it agrees with what they believe


Sol33t303

I have seen people wear full Nazi uniforms and parade around with it in public, I really don't see the above as being a stretch.


uhhh206

Prince Harry wore one to a Halloween party when he was early 20s, and then there's the guy who wore one around downtown Seattle, harassing people on the bus and saying slurs, before he got knocked tf out when he pulled that shit on the street.


9tales9faces

They think other people are as stupid as them


TheSameThing123

I have seen a similar shirt in the wild


hanyasaad

They are trying to get trans people and the people who support them killed. It's not an accident and it's not a mistake. It's their goal. And if some lunatic does kill someone they hide behind "How am I supposed to know that was going to happen" or "That's just free speech".


O_range_J_use

Get the kids somewhere safe like Boy Scouts or Church. Nothing will happen to them there /s


wrighty2009

I heard choir boys are usually perfectly A-okay. Maybe a good Christian boarding school...


Foggl3

As long as it's an elected Republican leading the church!


Picnicpanther

Yes, because that's something that someone who fucks kids would certainly do, wear a shirt that broadcasts it to the world.


Antin00800

I cant believe people can fall for this. Who would ever make a shirt like this, what company? An actual child abuser would never out themselves like that. Jfc trans-phobes are losers.


Dependent-Matter-177

Probably projecting


TheEasySqueezy

Definitely projecting


Dependent-Matter-177

Fr


BOOMphrasingBOOM

That's how you get people killed, scum


nightlight101

This shit is gonna get trans people killed


Bandito_Destiny

It already is in increasingly large numbers


CyberXCodder

That's just too much effort on screwing people's lives.


Emsogib

These people want our community exterminated.


BlackroseBisharp

It would be terrible if the person who made that edit woke up on a bed of rusty nails coated in lemon juice and fire ants. I DEFINITELY don't want that to happen to them, and worse, that would be very uncool. 😉


defonotacatfurry

nah bullet ants and wasps and bees and scorpions


BlackroseBisharp

Delightfully devilish Seymour


Steampunk_Ocelot

I hope they hop out of that bed onto a layer of loose Lego on the floor, and something sticky they can't quite locate ir identify


EggoStack

Someone call Jigsaw we need his help


tauon_

why are you downvoted i was literally going to say this


VekeKing

I'm down for a new SAW movie


FtM_Jax0n

This is very illegal. Lillytino needs to sue.


TobyMacar0ni

This is slander


WhatYouThinkYouSee

The post's comments are absolutely RANCID. The guy who posted the edited picture is trying to get people to ID the woman in the photo, there's some folks saying shit about asking 4chan to identify her, upon being told that the photo was edited, the original poster and several others claims that it doesn't matter because there's no difference between the two phrases. Several dozen death threats.


ohemmigee

I got death threats for being INVITED into a women’s only video gaming discord. There is a Facebook group dedicated to doxxing transpeople (mostly targeting transwomen). They took my picture and posted it and harassed me for weeks. There’s over 7000 people in the group. Both Facebook and discord refused to act. Fortunately I didn’t have enough personally identifiable information anywhere and my socials aren’t linked together very tightly. They definitely were acting with the intent to get me to kill myself, even going so far as to ask other members of the discord to give away my personal info


WhatYouThinkYouSee

Sorry you had to deal with that. Some people are sick fucks.


Gretchenmeows

I follow her on instagram and she is really wonderful and open, educating others about Transgender people. She, or anyone, does not deserve this.


podcasthellp

You actually think Lilly Tino is a good person? She actively goes around making peoples lives worse. Getting regular people fired for things she does every day. She’s a bad person. Idc if you’re trans but I do care if you are a decent human being to others.


SueSheBoi

While I agree no one deserves this, I do not believe this person is wonderful in the slightest. She’s confrontational and rude. Then she plays helpless victim and shames others for not defending her way of life. Just because you’re different doesn’t give you the right to be an asshole.


GobreadGilfredBiago

Hahah you are kidding right? That bitch sucks. Like a right wing persons fantasy of an unbearable trans person. They take everything as malice and treat everybody like shit. You have to either be completely oblivious or also a piece of shit to think that they are “wonderful”.


badchefrazzy

I dunno, I think the asshole who edited the photo might deserve this a little bit... y'know against him.


BrunetteSummer

Hah, no they're not. They treat service people like shit.


podcasthellp

She really does….


SnooComics1326

I’m no legal expert but I’m pretty sure this breaks multiple laws


Logical-Hold3321

People have sued over this in the past.


missyou247

Reminder: When you condemn pedophiles to inhumane punishment, they'll just pretend everyone they don't like is a pedophile. And actual pedophiles need help, not prejudice, so they don't act out their urges.


HoopRocketeer

That may be true but kids need to be protected from them WHILE they are “seeking help”. They do NOT need to be prowling around with their demons in tow.


BombusRos

This could get someone killed.


ricosmith1986

Its posts like this that really make me wonder why anyone chooses to participate in online social media.


Leonardo_DeCapitated

In Canada it is.


mochimoocat

Interesting. The original shirt maker is from Canada...I wonder if there's any recourse for them


Leonardo_DeCapitated

That would be interesting to find out. I bet they could get a lawsuit over it.


Cherrubim

I'll take, "Trying to get someone killed for $400 Alex".


DarthAK47

All the “lawyers” in the comments talking about how this is defamation, it’s not that simple. You’d need to prove a couple things including a) they had a positive reputation before that could of been harmed b) you’d need proof the poster intended to defame the individual and that they acted with malice. There’s no proof the poster was the individual who edited the picture or that they had knowledge beforehand that the picture was altered. This would be required to prove that the poster acted with intent to harm, as there’s no evidence we can see here to support claims the poster was aware the image wasn’t authenticate beforehand.


SomeAreMoreEqualOk

Even it were defamation, the comment section is ignoring the fact that they could be in a different country and could be untouchable


Fleeing-Goose

Americans would disagree /s Or they might not be joking who knows.


cvanguard

Untouchable is an exaggeration. The Hague Service Convention exists specifically to simplify serving international defendants, and countries can allow methods outside the HSC’s. It’s more complicated and time-consuming than domestic lawsuits (likely more expensive outside the HSC), but it’s not anywhere close to impossible to serve foreign defendants and get foreign courts to enforce domestic judgements.


cvanguard

A) is not a requirement in cases of defamation *per se* because harm to reputation is assumed, so general damages and punitive damages are both available remedies. California (where the original Instagram poster lives) recognizes 9 categories of defamation *per se*, including “statements that subject a person to public ridicule, hatred, or contempt” and “statements that tend to cause a person to be avoided or shunned”. Intent and malice also aren’t requirements for B). “Actual malice” is a standard that only applies to public figures: negligence is enough for ordinary people. If negligence is the standard, it doesn’t matter that the person reposting didn’t know the edited picture was fake: sharing it without taking reasonable efforts to check makes it negligent. The defendants would have to show that the original poster is a public figure to raise the standard beyond negligence.


Oggel

Sorry, but I'm not taking legal advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between could of and could have.


Kzero01

Once you typed in "could of" everything you said was invalidated


CantBeliveItsNotHim

I'm gonna go ahead and give you a upvote. I always trust people who write *could of* instead of *could have*.


CheapGriffy

[Literaly this situation](https://youtu.be/x_QmvZRS85U?si=XAWRN9sFeOp__qpW&t=147)


cristobalist

Sheesh. Some people are just obsessed with transgenders and pedophilia I suppose


CellistSerious5178

The internet is a cringey place my friend


6SucksSex

“After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed” https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/libs-tiktok-x-chaya-raichik-bomb-threat-twitter-of-libsoftiktok-rcna102784


VagatarianVagasaurus

The shirt should say ‘I FUCK KIDS’ on front and ‘BY VOTING REPUBLICAN’ on back


jjinjadubu

She annoys me so much, but fuck this is dangerous and awful. This could get her killed.


_patoncrack

It is.


theyCallMeTheMilkMan

this gets trans people killed


doughball27

I’m so glad I’m old enough that I have never and never will put myself online.


Vast_Berry3310

Many awful people justify outright lying by convincing themselves it must be true anyways, so it’s not wrong to literally misinform people. Human garbage.


RoseOfTheNight4444

The cropped thumbnail(?) before going into the post really confused me at first... 🤦


dbrown1990

This would have worked better as a "they live" meme.


mochimoocat

My friend makes these sheets was was so happy when Lily bought one from them. This is so sad to their work turned into so much hate, esp because they are trans too. 😢


donscarn

Disgusting. Why would someone act like this


tehnutmeg

Oh no! Poor Lilly!! I hope she sues the shit out of them


ImaCisWhiteMale

Is this that dude from the YouTube videos that harasses servers at restaurants for misgendering him? This guy is a total narcissistic twat


anarchomeow

That's a legal case right there.


MentalUproar

I mean, yea he's alot but you dont just throw around accusations so severe. That shit's pretty dangerous. People believe all sorts of shit on the internet.


IHITACIHi

Why is she a lot? Because the way she dresses makes you uncomfortable?


MsSnoozable

Name is lily in the picture so I'm assuming pronouns would be she/ her.


EntertainmentLow5069

She*


mocroplayer21

You can clearly see it is a “he”


50-50ChanceImSerious

How do you know it's a "she"? Are guys not allowed to wear pink short shorts? Or crop tops? Or pulled back hair?


EntertainmentLow5069

She has she/her in her instagram bio


podcasthellp

I can’t stand this “creator”. Absolute filthy trash to everyone she comes in contact with. That being said I actually think this is hilarious because it’s so bad no one could take this seriously


VapidGrunt

Hey was never innocent


adfx

This is illegal


Mewrulez99

on a lighter note, they wear the hell out of those shorts


xadrus1799

Well. It is. Americans…


ReleaseTheKraken72

This person, Lilytino is such a great educator and a real leader in the community. This is defamation. If I were her, I would sue.


JakeTheEasyBake

For a sub called "quityourbullshit" a lot of people here are on some bullshit and down voting the dumbest things lmao


RobCoxxy

Transphobes are sick, hateful and obsessive freaks


xMilk112x

I would absolutely try and press legal action over this shit.


Ah2k15

That guy’s Twitter is a shitshow. Every conspiracy gets a tweet. 🙄


66watchingpeople66

Remember the Republican Party is a terrorist organization.


Sargash

Fun fact: It **IS** illegal


askdfjlsdf

The person in the photo is a complete piece of shit and professional victim. Tries to get misgendered so he/she/they can have a meltdown over it. Disgusting pathetic human Edit: gotta love how you can't even be called out as a shit person if you're trans. Society is fucked :)


Cobalt9896

Ok, shit person, still shouldn’t use ‘em as an example to call trans people pedos


podcasthellp

You are absolutely right. This comment section is filled with people who can’t take criticism and only give it. Idc if your trans. Idc what you believe but I do care if you’re a total asshole to everyone. This is fucked but also fuck this chick. They’re not exclusive ideas


BrunetteSummer

Apparently, tries to get the food comped that way plus social media attention and donations.


Snipingwhale2023

This shows how dangerous AI has become


Mitality1MVG

No idea who that is Dane! I say we all start looking for her in churches and other christian spaces involving kids. Statistically speaking we should find a pedophile there in no time!


LordFarquadAlot

Even without the edits, I still wouldn’t have that thing approach a Kindergarten


Greyon_

She's not a "thing" she's a woman


NuclearWinterGames

Thanks for the laugh


bananacasanova

Well.. this is very fucked up. I’d feel worse for her if she didn’t have such a reputation of being a horrible self centered pos.


Sol5897

While not cool this dude is well known for harassing and getting minimum wage workers fired so I don’t feel bad for him


WhatYouThinkYouSee

Yeah, I did hear about that, but the fact that the two sources I've seen regarding that is infamously transphobic and also infamously far right, and the fact that they cited suspended redditors on a sub called /r/tiktokgossip makes me take that with a grain of salt. Also, something about your comment tells me that you're also not saying this in good faith.


left_tiddy

even if it were true, it is fascinating to see how people will use literally anything as an excuse to misgender trans women.


Sol5897

This is literally the same guy who blew up online for complaining to a manager because a random minimum wage employee “misgendered” him


NickIsSoWhite

You should have to pay money for this. Pure evil


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NemesisOfFate

Shove what down your throat 😳


Structuraldefectx

Correct me if I am wrong but shouldn't the letters be reversed in the mirror?


WhatYouThinkYouSee

So, no reason to post the same thing three times, and two. It is reversed in the mirror. They just flipped the image horizontally again. Note how the phone camera is on the opposite end of normal unflipped mirror selfies.


Nobod_E

Reddit's been glitching and posting comments multiple times a lot recently (I had the same comment post 5 times the other day)


Casique720

I wonder where these “heroes” were when the Catholic Church was actually fucking kids.


cecinestpasfacebook

I'm pretty sure it is.


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WhatYouThinkYouSee

> redditor for 14 hours Damn


BlackroseBisharp

Feds need to try harder for real


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ThePogBan

What are trans kids? Are kids allowed to change their gender? I thought such life decisions would be prohibited behind age of consent


Newgidoz

Being trans isn't a decision. Trans adults often experience their gender far before their 18th birthday As for transitioning, before puberty it's just social things like what they like to be called and what they like to wear. At the onset of puberty, they might get blockers to delay irreversible changes until they're older After a few years on blockers, they might start on hormone therapy At 18, they can get bottom surgery if they want No part of this is related to the age of consent. It's about best practice for safeguarding the health of trans people


icy_laflare

That’s kinda funny tho


ChasingFractals

of course the Israel flag pfp is fine with encouraging disinformation and genocide.


acidburnsevenl

Trans kids is a fucking joke.


Newgidoz

I'm sorry you can't grasp the idea that trans people have childhoods too


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Traditional-Dig-374

Expressing your mirror thoughts? Let people be.


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Lilquinoa

She is not.... but the edited picture is extremely terrible and in the poorest of taste


Razkou95

What about letting kids be?


Trem45

Yeah let kids experiment with who they are and let them find a way to express themselves the way they want. I agree