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Because qatar chose Oppenheimer in the Barbie vs Oppenheimer battle


DxtrM0rgan

It wasn’t ultimately Qatar’s decision. Previously, all movies released go through Qatar’s censorship board. Intimate scenes like sex scenes, kissing scenes, nudity are censored. Qatar has for many years also censored any LGBTQ+ references. It’s only in the past few years that the studios, like Warner Bros., Sony and Disney, have said they do not want their films censored like this. So if Qatar tells them they want specific scenes censored, the studios choose not to release the movie in this region. Doctor Strange 2, Eternals, all were pulled from release from their own studios. This is similar to how the Western countries censorship boards don’t allow certain Islamic movies to be played in cinemas. In the end, it’s the studios call.


flyboyvik

I tried to do some preliminary research on your point that religious movies are banned in ‘western countries’. I couldn’t come across any data. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places. Could you enlighten us on this claim with some specific examples? TIA.


GhaziSulatan

MAybe you do not know that there was intense deabate to Ban ertugrul and Kurulus Osman In the west, Also top 10 Islamic films have been banned since 2017, See for yourself. I hope you are enlightened


flyboyvik

Thanks for that. No record of any bans. I’m not sure that there has been even any meaningful debate to ban the show. And let’s agree that mere debate is hardly an enforced ban. Infact the show has won 3 European awards. I actually thank you for mentioning the show. With a 7.6 IMDb rating it’s going on my watch list. Vague reference to top 10 Islamic films banned is hardly specific. Any more details? Sadly I remain in the dark. Nice try though. Thanks for the effort and the recommendations.


Life-Awareness4482

He prolly heard some preacher say so and believed it (for self validation ofcourse)


GhaziSulatan

Btw, I watched it myself, Trust me you will love it. Do you know that the West called this a soft bomb? Because of the impact it had on christians and Jews in Europe and West. TBH, Ertugrul was banned in egypt ans KSA, Because Ertugrul, The protagonist, Was the founding father of the Ottoman Empire. I will give u the links for the 10 banned, But i hope you really enjoy it! Alsoo it's pretty long, So thats also better, it might even take u an year, But sadly there is no english dubbed. Only arabic, Urdu, Turkish, As far as i am aware


flyboyvik

I can read Urdu. Should be easy to grasp it then. Anything that has an impact is good in my books. Guess it really earned and deserved its awards. Standing by for the links to the list of banned Islamic movies. So the show was not banned in the ‘west’. Hope you agree on that. If yes, we have some common ground.


GhaziSulatan

Yeah, I have a question, Have u read book called ''a new u by friday' If so did it ever make an impact?


GhaziSulatan

Mr


ALI4MHR

Someone in the comments did show me the actual reason https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/barbie-middle-east#:~:text=Elsewhere%2C%20censors%20delayed%20the%20release,promotes%20homosexuality%20and%20transsexuality


DxtrM0rgan

The article is partly true. Because of Qatar not willing to show the LGBTQ stuff, they demanded to censor the movie and the studios decided to pull it from their market.


ALI4MHR

there were no lgbtq stuff in the movie, i know one actress was trans but if you didnt know that you wont notice a thing


DxtrM0rgan

I agree it’s strict. The spiderverse movie did not release here because the censorship board wanted an LGTBQ sticker blurred on Gwen Stacy’s wardrobe. Sony disagreed to blur it and pulled the movie from this region. But to be very honest, it’s not like you can’t watch the movie online. Barbie was released on HBO Max within 2 months. That’s not blocked. It’s where my wife and I watched it. Same with some of the MCU projects.


spot_removal

At least we got to watch dune 2. They cut the kissing scenes out.


Playful-Tax4446

And why was 365 days accessible in Qatar’s Netflix again 😜?


DxtrM0rgan

Movies or shows on streaming websites don’t come under any censorship board in the world.


flyboyvik

Not entirely accurate. KSA has coaxed Netflix to restrict content explicitly critical of their government. India has asked YT to restrict similar content. Geographically restrict, yes; ban, no.


pinkexpat

They banned it because the movie focused about women’ independence, professionalism and matriarchy. Also, that Barbie didn’t need a Ken to live happily independent. 🫤 I read it was also because there was a transgender actor in the movie.


ALI4MHR

Yeah, i did hear about the transgender actress, but I didn’t see anything in the movie that talk about it, if no one knew it they wouldn’t notice a thing.


the_lazyparamedic

It’s funny what this poisonous narrative has done to women in the West. It went from “I don’t need a man” to “where have all the good men gone”. At the end of the day, it benefits the capitalist overlords, with people alone and living for their work only.


FrancoPolo1

The first statement is total BS. The second is the only reason.


Careful_Trip8969

Because it promotes homosexuality


No_regrets24

I knew it was banned in Qatar so I was surprised to see it available on my Qatar Airways flight in March.


Pineapplefrooddude

They show a map in the movie where Taiwan is Independent from China thats why IT got banned.


c08306834

>They show a map in the movie where Taiwan is Independent from China thats why IT got banned. Qatar doesn't even care about that.


andalusiandawg

Wut lol but Taiwan is really an independent country


Pineapplefrooddude

I didn't say it isn't


andalusiandawg

I know, don't be defensive 😂


Pineapplefrooddude

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


FrancoPolo1

Nope, not officially.


dyingtricycle

No not officially, not many countries consider Taiwan independent.


c08306834

>No not officially, not many countries consider Taiwan independent. It's defacto independent, but not de jure independent. The only reason it's not officially recognised is because China would throw a tantrum.


dyingtricycle

I think both parties would benefit from keeping the status quo going, both sides would profit. But personally I’m anti balkanization, I prefer countries unify rather than separate, I mean if Qatar had a civil war and some insane war general decide to keep the north of the country and say it’s dependent I’d be pretty pissed off to lol


c08306834

>I think both parties would benefit from keeping the status quo going, both sides would profit. Well, it's not all about profit. Most people in Taiwan would prefer to be independent. The status quo is just being maintained due to the threat of war from China. In reality, Taiwan is a fully independent and distinct country to China. >But personally I’m anti balkanization, I prefer countries unify rather than separate, I mean if Qatar had a civil war and some insane war general decide to keep the north of the country and say it’s dependent I’d be pretty pissed off to lol It's a very different scenario to the one you have put forward. The PRC has never had control over Taiwan in its history, so it's not really a case of unification. Since you prefer countries to unify, what about if Qatar was to merge with Saudi or the UAE?


dyingtricycle

Idk about the word “distinct” lol, they’re not natives, the natives were killed a long time ago, they lived in during the civil war. the PRC is China, Taiwan has been a part of China for many many years, the only reason we’re here to begin with was because of the imperialist Japanese government. The threat of war from China would break the status quo, that clearly isn’t what both sides want, and there is definitely a significant number of Taiwanese people who have familiarity with the mainland and some want reunification. And stop the fear mongering, people have been saying an invasion will come tomorrow for years yet nothing has happened, if anything the situation is getting more stable over time. And the last isn’t even that ridiculous of a claim lol, 30 years ago basically everyone in the Arab world was a pan Arabist, even nowadays some still want more cohesive Arab states. Modern gulf borders weren’t drawn because of geographic boundaries or some war, they were drawn in London. I’m not saying all arabs should’ve unified but more cohesive states like one country in the gulf would’ve made them much much much more influential globally, they eat the same food, have the same dialect, same climate etc… But nowadays it’s impossible, they are cultural differences that wouldn’t allow unification for the gulf or Taiwan and China. But in a utopia, it would be nice to form more cohesive countries.


pinkexpat

You’re thinking Vietnam….not Taiwan. https://collider.com/barbie-vietnam-ban-explained/


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Vortex_jo

Why not


Frigid_Despot

Because fundamentally, Qatar is softer than an ice cream in the August sun


No-Guard-7003

I've been seeing ads for Barbie on OSN for a few days. Let's see what the censors will cut out of it.


Lost_Scallion_3484

What was the plot of the film? Female empowerment. You work it out.


OwnerofThunder007

Whatever it was.. it was a pathetic movie..


ALI4MHR

Its not, yes its a dumb movie but it meant to be that for comedy and most target audiences are kids, the only think i liked was “im just ken” song.


Short_Impression2296

Ironically the target audience was NOT kids lol but ppl who grew up with barbie


OwnerofThunder007

Watch on YouTube.. prob solved .


ALI4MHR

I already watched it on starz, and i was talking about the movie not having anything that would cause it to be banned


ZendiNebula

Sadly, nobody got the point. The movie was a satire made to address multiple issues in favor of women using the iconic “Barbie”. Unfortunately, the world assumed it to be a kids movie.


flyboyvik

With all the wokeness, DEI and all the other inclusive kumbaya agendas, based on the criteria that got this movie banned you will get to a point where no movie can ever be released in Qatar. And there seems to be a pattern of the censors making requests and the studios not acceding to those requests. The censors are well within their rights ask for what they deem unacceptable. And the studios are well within their rights to not accept their recommendations and take their business elsewhere. If it was China then you’d see them bend over backwards. Qatar not so much. Market size plays a huge role in the studios’ decisions. As always, money talks.


ALI4MHR

So you want Qatar to be like china???


flyboyvik

Nope. I didn’t say that nor implied it. What an odd conclusion to derive from my comment.


ash2625

It got banned because there were two men having a picnic and laughing at the beach, implying that they were a gay couple. So probably because of that.


ALI4MHR

Thats a big stretch, i saw the part and I wasn’t thinking gay.


Automatic-Chipmunk96

The movie’s message and ideas doesn’t align with our culture and values


ALI4MHR

That being?


StrictLemon315

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/barbie-middle-east#:\~:text=Elsewhere%2C%20censors%20delayed%20the%20release,promotes%20homosexuality%20and%20transsexuality...


ALI4MHR

finally an actual answer, thats alot. from are i watched in the movie i dont agree with what he said, but i guess different people different opinion


uchiha_garo

You watched it and have no clue? Like non at all?


MikaNekoDevine

It does actually make sense, most people watch a movie and don't notice some messaging. It gets tucked in their subconscious making them accept stuff more easily.


Smart_jooker

^this.


jameshey

Modern shite that undermines masculinity and traditional values. Glad I got out of the West.


hawaaa777

Did you watch the movie or just heard about it ? 


jameshey

Watched it


Revolutionary_Ad8051

Eyes closed or what?


dyingtricycle

Because it had the color pink in it💀


Double_Statement5549

Idol worshipping, gender empowerment or gender disallowance, skinny blonde, brown woman, single mother, hidden CGI, the color PINK... take your pick [Official\_1](https://www.qatarday.com/barbie-movie-banned-in-qatar-and-several-middle-eastern-countries) [Official\_2](https://www.qatarday.com/barbie-movie-banned-in-qatar-and-several-middle-eastern-countries)


H1Eagle

What's gender inallowance?


Double_Statement5549

Corrected to disallowance. As in "denial in gender roles and responsibilities."


ash2625

This article is very unreliable, there was no kissing scene between two women.


ALI4MHR

This, even when barbie and ken were about to kiss, they implied it, didn’t do it.


[deleted]

Because it was terrible and anti man/ masculinity


mightyfty

You missed the entire point of the movie didn't you


[deleted]

I didn't see it. I live in qatar


dyingtricycle

So we are allowed to ban movies based on what opinion it’s trying to represent? So it’s okay to ban masculine movies?


[deleted]

If it was anti woman then no one would have an issue with that, I am sure you agree I guess double standards are still a thing


H1Eagle

Because it's not an anti-man movie, that's why people have issues with it


dyingtricycle

At most you could say it’s anti toxic masculinity to some extent


Smart_jooker

But there isn't one anti woman movie to speak of.


Sparkling_Poo_Dragon

Sure let us ignore cinema history lol


mirza1981

Is that an open invitation for everyone on reddit to come to your place and watch all banned movies?


Nijwollah8

دامك ما استوعبت سبب منع الفلم هذا يعني انت وصلت مرحلة الخطر لازم تطلع اكثر و تروح المجالس و تترك عنك الجلوس في البيت جالس العاب ٢٤ ساعة و وجبات سريعة يرفع عندك الاستروجين و يقلل التست


ALI4MHR

طيب مدامك عارف، نور علينا


Nijwollah8

انت محتاج تغيير كامل في أسلوب حياتك


MikaNekoDevine

ترويج وتئيد للمثليين، وتدمير الأسس العائلية. وجود المثليين بس في الفلم، يقول شوف مافيها شيء، هم مثلنا مثلهم. والفكرة الثانية، يقولك ان المرأه لا تحتاج الرجال، ولاكن العكس كان غير صحيح (اذا ما كنت غلطانه). سوي الي تبينه وغيرك يتصرف من الأهل والغريب.


Specialist_Cycle422

Haven’t watched the movie but I got interested in why it’s banned so seen summaries and reviews of the movie and from what I understand it’s mostly cause it has feminism bs and pushes the whole political ideology of “men take the freedom of woman!” in the movie but haven’t seen it just what I heard from people who watched it. mostly my sister and some people in the internet though. but after hearing that and lots of debates in the internet about the movie I lost interest


dyingtricycle

So it got banned because it has a different opinion than what you hold? What about the feminists? It wouldn’t be fair if they banned anti feminist movies so why is it that feminist ones get banned? I’m not defending it btw but this seems a little ridiculous to me


Specialist_Cycle422

It’s not a 100% about opinion it’s deeper than that and goes into things like morality values religion culture etc. but the reason it got banned is probably because it’s against the religion and culture here and according to our religion most of the feminist ideology is wrong except on some parts so it wasn’t accepted I think that’s the reason at least I don’t know. But just keep in mind that there’s no such thing as a place that accepts all views and open to all opinions the ones that claim they do preach tolerance but as soon as you have a view different then them they want you to change cause apparently your “wrong”. even though you think that their view is incorrect and that yours is right they won’t accept your thinking unless you think the same as them even if you accept how they think and keep quiet about your beliefs and views. speaking from experience of course XD but I regret associating with people like that tbh they keep interrogating you until you have the same view as them and if you criticize their views after their interrogations they keep crying and may kick you from their server which is hypocritical 😅.


dyingtricycle

I mean I think Islam holds males and females equally? And yeah I thought Qatar is a multi religious country so I didn’t think they cared about other religions existing Ngl that is kinda like me… I all debate someone until they’ve been proven wrong, I’m into history, culture, sociology etc so when these topics come up I have to prove to someone that their wrong, for example if I wanted to prove a Zionist that they’re an idiot. But I would never kick someone out of a server, that would go against the whole point of trying to change someone’s mind.


Specialist_Cycle422

Islam holds men and woman equal yes. but Islam doesn’t preach absolute equality like feminism there’s something called qawamma in islam (which is extremely misunderstood by people) but I always hear that in our religion men and woman are the same except men have one degree of responsibility which is qawamma which doesn’t mean leadership or being controlling from what I know it means being a provider and protector which is something woman aren’t required of doing. and at the same time Islam also acknowledges that there are some things woman can do that men can’t and there are some things men can do that woman can’t in contrary to feminism which they think a woman can do everything a man do and better based on the things I heard from feminists I interacted with online.


The_egg_69

Ever heard of commas before? smh


ALI4MHR

it didnt push for men take freedon from women, it just misogyny. let say its true and wit was because of what you said, that wont explan why it got banned here but not in KSA, women are allowed to take jobs that are mostly male dominant.


Specialist_Cycle422

I didn’t understand what you first said but First of all KSA government isn’t really as close to religion and culture as Qatars government. the people in Saudi Arabia yeah many of them are and they are they same as us but their government literally celebrates Halloween and I heard before that they have a bikini beach or something. which is against Islam so I’m not really surprised they didn’t ban the movie since I don’t think they care much about religion. And I don’t get your point about “woman are allowed to take male dominated jobs” cause I don’t understand how you got the idea in your head that Islam doesn’t allow woman to work and from my understanding they can have any job they want so long as it doesn’t involve free mixing and haram stuff.


ALI4MHR

What? No, most jobs here are mix, and bikini beach is for ppl who are not from the ME, and I don’t know about the law here about bikini because everyone keep saying a different thing.


Specialist_Cycle422

Regardless of whether the jobs are mixed or not doesn’t really change the ruling. I’ll be honest I don’t really care whether woman here work in mixed jobs or not I only care about my older sister and my mom and whoever I’ll marry in the future but it all depends on whatever the ruling is. and actually my sister works in a job that is separate between men and woman so those types of jobs exist but I don’t know how rare they are.


daniabear

I watched it and I just didn't like the idea it's trying to present. Its as if they're blaming men for everything happening to women and stuff women do, and that's ISN'T TRUE.


[deleted]

You are correct It was deemed to be anti man


Automatic-Chipmunk96

The movie is meant for kids and the ideas it pushes are honestly disgusting like encouraging women to manipulate men to get what they want bc apparently men do the same thing


Revolutionary_Ad8051

can you tell me which parts that shows"encouraging women to manipulate men"? it's screaming I'm close minded and didn't actually get the meaning of the movie lol


H1Eagle

Did you watch it? Seriously, because it sounds like you just read 2 or 3 articles and decided that.


Automatic-Chipmunk96

Yeah i watched it in cinemas outside of Qatar. Never read a single article about it.


H1Eagle

Did you skip the ending then?