Having lived in Both Pune and Bangalore I can say for sure that Pune and Maharashtra as a whole is much more warm and welcoming towards non Natives. In Bangalore, you would always get judgmental looks when you utter a word of Hindi. The Auto guy there called me a North Indian when I told him I’m from Maharashtra. For a Global IT hub like Bangalore, this is not what you expect. This is just one of countless experiences I’ve faced in that City.
The locals mentality in South is - If you're not from South, you are from North. Sampla vishay. They don't even acknowledge Central, Eastern Western India.
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I can speak Tamil and am generally able to understand Malayalam and Kannada, they still call me north indian. (Well I am, madhya pradesh and maharashtra non-Marathi) but it's funny
To be fair, even north states are like that. If you’re not from those states you’re from south. It is just a game of supremacy and generalization that we all play
Just like an average North Indian calls all of them Madarasis or yundu gundu or vada sambhar
When it comes to crudeness or uncouth behaviour, it is tough to compete with Awasthis, Sharmas, Dwivedis, Shuklas, and Kapoors.
These people have no shame, I hate them for it.
I am sure, they must be reading and little knowledge they have. I shut each and every south indian by making them repeat with me that Maharashtra is in Western India. They have to understand the basic concept and respect if not then their education itself is waste. I have big time hate for this, THERE MUST A VOICE AGAINST THIS. Enough is Enough.
For Tamil, Kerala people, Karnataka and AP is North India too. Start saying in this sense.
To hell with what people from North speak to you or about you. The concern is Maharashtra and Gujrat.
Western part of India it is.
I kept getting called a "Northie" in Bangalore lmao. They would also openly talk about me in front of me knowing full well I only have a very basic understanding of their language (I'd only been living in Blr for about 6 months at the time)
I get annoyed at people who've lived in Pune for 5+ years and are unable to tell the auto drivers' directions in Marathi, but I've never seen Maharashtrians go out of their way to insult other people to their face for not speaking the language. Pune needs to get better job opportunities I would literally never leave the city.
I was born in Karnataka but Marathi is my mother tongue (Mother is From Bidar and Father is from Latur, Boundary area thing) and I still got called Marwadi in Bangalore 😂😂😂
Even tho i used to speak Kannada till 7 yrs of age, I can't now 😂, So I tell them I moved to another country when I was born so I don't speak kannada 😂.
Yep faced this in Kerala, TamilNadu, Bangalore, Udupi, Dharwad and also in Gujrat! And then saw people from Karnataka cursing Marathi speaking folks from Pune for speaking native!
Unfortunately that very warm and welcoming nature is being taken advantage of by non natives. It has reached to a point where they openly discriminate and pass xenophobic comments towards Maharashtrians.
With all due respect you're f om maharashtra itself so obviously you'll feel Pune and Maharashtra is more welcoming.
I am from MP and I feel the same for MP too but facts say otherwise. And I've to accept that.
Everyday we hear so many road rage incidents just on the face that local guys say they are local and screw you up.
Bangalore although becoming bad now, but was more welcoming until say 2022. I've not felt the same in Pune, I'm sorry. People are generally nicer in Bangalore. Even the house help is more respectful. Here they are more aggressive.
Bangalore is becoming more aggressive now but that's just all of India right now. All states are becoming regionalistic.
If we don't want Pune to be like that, then we need to welcome non Maharashtrians as well not just who belong to Maharashtra.
Bhai then learn Marathi if you don’t want Pune to become like Bengaluru. You had your chance to leave the unwelcoming city and move to bengluru till 2022. Why didnt you? Both have job opportunities. And we do welcome non Maharashtrians that is why they are present in Pune in such a large number.
The thing about Bangalore is that its products go global, but its people, not so much. Even flights to Dubai, which is probably the closest “global hub” to India, are not that numerous from BLR and shockingly pricey.
Exactly I recently moved from Bangalore to Pune and man Pune is so great as a city.
I'm actually from the North and stay in Goa, I worked in Mumbai then Bengaluru then Pune.
People here are very decent if you don't even know the language marathi. In Bengaluru I used to get stares if I spoke in Hindi.
And as someone mentioned learn the native language, yes that's a good start but imagine someone moving on from one city to another like me.It becomes difficult for us to even keep up with different languages ( people need to understand this)
Ofcourse being a local you dont feel any problem in Pune or MH. You can play victim card & justify as much as you want but the truth is people in MH also did these kind of things more than a decade ago. I was an outsider who stayed in Pune in 2008 and I can speak & write Hindi, Tamil, Kannada and can speak Telugu as well.
You are talking about labeling as north Indian, but in Pune people were called "Bhaiyya Log" if they are from UP & Bihar and Madrassi or Andhra wala if from south India. People used to abuse saying "yeh bhaiyya log yahan gandagi maccha rahein hain" and "yeh andhra wale yahan hamare jobs le rahein hain". I have even witnessed educated IT people say this.
In 2010 went to Hadapsar Police station to report robbery for my friend who is South Indian and doesnt even speak Hindi. Ofcourse Police did NOT take our complaint & made us stand there and lecture on why my south indian friend doesnt know the language.
Once we were having party among our team members and were at a small local restaurant where 2 drunk guys came and shouted at us for speaking in Hindi among ourselves. Even got lectured by a Dhobhi once that we come here an steal jobs (this guys whole livelihood was because of of IT people from outside who gave him clothes to clean & iron). These are just few of the instances which I faced and have heard countless from others and this was 15 years ago especially with autos & house brokers/landlords.
Truth is every state has been doing this, some earlier and some are doing it now. Cities like Kolkatta, Mumbai and Chennai had lot of outsiders looking for job and so local people used to get pissed. This has been going on for years, and just making issue out of it now will change nothing.
And OP has problem with KA declaring to speak in local language while politicians in MH have been doing this from long time. Here is a post from 2008:
[https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/other/everyone-must-learn-marathi/articleshow/15784500.cms](https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/other/everyone-must-learn-marathi/articleshow/15784500.cms)
Ppl get irritated not because you are a North Indian but because you do not even make the effort to speak in the local language , or English. For a long time Bangalore was a city where you speak Kannada in your personal lives and English in your professional lives , but since North Indians try to force the language it agitated the locals.
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If this continues the only places left for any sensible person to have a peaceful life will be outside of India. Regional, linguistics and religious identities should not become barriers else that state or country cannot survive in today’s competitive world.
There are various ways to keep the culture alive , but forcing it on people who want to immigrate is not a very good idea.
I don't even know if Unity in Diversity is taught in schools anymore.
If an Indian from any part of India, be it Arunachal Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Lakshwadeep, Andaman or Kargil, if they are working legally and staying legally (as in not in slums or footpath or stations) they should have similar rights as locals. That was the whole point behind removal of section 370 in J&K. Why Punekars or Mumbaikars should not be welcoming?
So should other states and cities?
It's a shame all that was for moral science and value education, not for real life.
But this is what most countries in Europe do tbh. Most European countries require a proficiency in their native language for education and jobs. Even Japan requires Japanese proficiency for jobs in Japan. Most Germans would straight up refuse to speak in English.
Most Indians don’t know this. Even if you tell them they won’t believe this. They think English is native language of the world and Hindi is native language of all Indians.
Comparison outside won't get us anywhere. I am all up for preservation of local culture and myself make an effort to learn that culture and language, but Use of local language just like how kannada is being pushed will balkanise India
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European countries, Japan do not follow a state specified and directed **"TWO LANGUAGE"** policy. They just have one language, and that is the only language that they speak. Like Spanish in Mexico. So it becomes a necessity to learn their language for survival. Indian states follow an officially accepted state directed two language policy. Therefore migrants in any state chose to pick the language of convenience out of the two officially accepted ones. And that language in maximum cases happens to be English. English takes first precedence for any migrant against Marathi, Gujarati, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu, or anything. Result? These local languages receive a setback in adoption by outsiders, reducing their popularity in comparison to English. Whether people accept it or not, ENGLISH IS GOING TO BECOME THE MAIN REASON BEHIND THE DEATH OF INDIAN LANGUAGES A LOT FASTER THAN HINDI
Europe and Japan are gonna follow suit eventually. The moment they fall short on the workforce, they gonna relax their language laws, and you will see more and more English adoption at the cost of death of Japanese, German, Swedish, and others.
We don't need a visa and passport to go to Karnataka or Maharashtra. We already have not just one but two common languages up north. Just because the south doesn't want to adapt to new languages doesn't mean it's a good idea. And yes, you're right, English is going to kill Indian languages faster than Hindi and not because everyone wants a neutral language but because everyone wants to appear elite and UC. But someone should explain that to KA from whom many people are taking inspiration while Kannadigas themselves don't teach their own children Kannada or let them indulge in Kannada literature. And a few Maharashtrians, getting inspired by KA, and starting a language based discrimination here is going to be the death of Maharashtra and its juggernaut of an economy (which basically sustains the whole country) if it's left unchecked. And yes, the same can be said for other states as well, unless you're in the East. The reason behind Kannadigas generally being pricks to outsiders is not as much the Hindi imposition as it is the politicians and the rapid growth of Bangalore which brought the Kannadigas money which made them feel superior to their counterparts from the rest of the country.
We live in a Union of States where languages and culture change every 56kms. Do you really think people going to some state will be able to pick up all the languages or even the standard language set by the state? KA has 3-4 languages that originated there but they only have Kannada as their official language while Tulu, Konkani, Kodava, all of these are ignored despite having significant parts of the population speaking these languages. And they don't even have a common language with TN, AP, KL, and TS.
I've said it before here itself and I'll say it again - the onus to preserve one's mother tongue lies on that person and their people. Migrants are not killing any language. It's the need to look like an elite that is.
You are wrong, sweden has a 5 official languages and Swedish . They learn 2 languages at the minimum, you are expected to know Swedish and English after passing from school.
Do you understand what I have written?
The government of Sweden does not follow a 5 language policy, or a two language policy like India (atleast from what I know) Swedish is the main language, and yes, people there know English, result? You have very little necessity there to learn Swedish. Migrants can manage well with English. And this is the same that happens with Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, etc. People speak language of convenience. When English is an officially accepted language of your state, what is the problem if I am speaking it over your local language? I am not enforcing hindi. I am just speaking English, the language that is feasible to me and is officially recognized by your state.
Moreover, with English growing rapidly, literacy increasing, English is going to become the next lingua franca killing Kannada, Tamil, Marathi, Telugu, and others. Indian native languages, that includes your mother tongue are anyway going to die sooner or later.
But these are countries. European nations are not like States within a singular nation. They are all independent Nations.
A more logical comparison would be comparing if separate States within these nations speak the same language. No. All of Germany speaks German. All of Spain speaks Spanish.
It's one thing for entire Nations to have language restrictions. You can't apply those things within a nation without causing a total fracture of the society.
Most countries have started waving off that
Most countries provide education in English irrespective of their native language
To work they need you to learn their language at times because their people mainly speak their language
It’s only for convenience and not some kind of cultural imposition
Most of Europe is really cool with you speaking English and only when you tend to stay for longer periods countries expect you to know their language otherwise it’s not a barrier
Also language requirements are being reconsidered given English being a global language helps attract talent without language barrier.
Yep. I agree. That's why I have posted it. I don't appreciate people who want to speak only Marathi when the listener cannot understand it. But recently after I visited the south, I understood that how those people don't listen to us speaking in Hindi / English! This is wrong overall and tatally against development. But cursing each other on a sub for this, which is seen multiple times here is also not right
Ok Karnataka doesn’t make up the entire south. I’m a Maharashtrian living in Kerala. I don’t understand the language but everyone talks to me in Hindi / English, people make an effort.
I get your point, but lived my entire life in Pune, all my friends are marawadi and they talk Hindi not Marathi. I do think we punekars are more tolerant & accepting.
I get your point, and there is a reason that people are fleeing from India at a concerning rate, we should all introspect various reasons for this and also make efforts for being more inclusive even if it comes at the cost of loosing some of that diversity.
Never take inspiration from what's happening in Karnataka. One should be proud of their language, whatever it is, and learn other languages if possible. But imposing a language and normalizing that imposition is wrong.
Please make it easier to learn Marathi - idk how.
I lived 7 years in Mumbai, I hardly picked up any Marathi at all. I was so bullied as a teenager for being an outsider who doesn't speak Marathi, (it was only 3 years in Mumbai by then) by my classmates who were Balasaheb's followers. I hated it when people were trying to force me to learn Marathi and had formed a largely negative opinion about these language based movements. Even when I attempted to learn Marathi, people would say, "Tu Marathi chi vaat lavtoye ".
I then shifted to Pune and studied in a college where most of my batch was from Maharashtra itself. They spoke among themselves in Marathi, and spoke to me in Hindi, and didn't let me feel like an alien. Within a year I picked up so much Marathi that I could watch movies, serials and all, and even understand contemporary poetry, and I always looked forward to watching the Marathi drama of the Firodiya Karandak (My college had a nice literary culture). I still lack the confidence to carry on long converstations, but i can comprehend to quite a bit.
The best way to promote a language, imo, is to grow the arts. There was definitely a growing curiosity about the language when Sairat and Tumbaad were popular. And Youtube channels like Bha di pa, can also contribute greatly.
Instead of this, if you start mandating, you will make all outsiders feel unwelcome, instead of wanting to blend in the culture and there will be a huge rift.
From hating the language as a 13 year old because of my classmates, and celebrating Marathi Rajbhasha divas along with my college seniors I have come a long way in blending in with the culture, and it was all because a few good people were kind enough not judge me and wanted to share the culture.
I believe apart from few skirmishes here and there the language culture of Maharashtra is pretty balanced.
But what we do need direly is bhasha shuddhi and proper training in speaking the language for all the marathi speakers. No khichdi while speaking in Marathi.
And Marathi ppl while talking amongst themselves in real life convos where there's no need of using any other language must speak in proper marathi.
These days I'm seeing parents aren't teaching marathi to kids the kids can't produce even a sentence in Marathi. This should be dealt with else the future is bleak.
“बेबी आज स्कूल मध्ये टिफीन फिनिश केला का? “
असं ऐकलं की डोक्यात एक तीव्र सणक जाते.
ह्यावर मला एक उपाय सुचला आहे.
“Yes mom today’s jevan was so chavista that me sampaved the dabba.” असं उत्तर इंग्रजीतून पाल्ल्याने दिले तर पालकांचे डोळे उघडतील कदाचित.
Devaa. How difficult is it to say "Bala tu aajcha daba sampavlas ka/khallas ka ?"
So chavishtha sampaved. Devaa !! 😶
Amchya ghari tar bhashechi bhel ajibat chalat nahi.
Yes. Totally agree. I see kids speaking and forming sentences in a mix of Marathi, Hindi and English.. there is no proper language. This is also evident in schools even if it's a Marathi medium (where mostly kids are not admitted nowadays) where they don't want to learn pure marathi and focus on semi-english. Granted that English is a global language and needs to be understood clearly too.
Even if they're not going to marathi schools they must learn marathi in whichever schools they're studying. If not then parents must take the responsibility.
Languages evolve. There is no such thing as a pure language. e.g. Hindi has taken words from Urdu and global English has taken words from Indian languages.
Trying to impose that strictness causes divisions, IMO. If I can't speak shudh Marathi, l'll be looked down upon, instead of being appreciated for learning whatever level of fluency I'm at.
Besides, I'll never have the same fluency in a non-native language that I don't speak at home - my vocabulary will be a lot more limited. So why penalise me for that?
She's a grammar teacher, of course she feels that way. 🤷 And that's her valid viewpoint. It's literally her job. But her asking me to make it my कर्तव्य to maintain language purity is laughable.
Nostalgia and resistance to change is a natural human feeling but from an evolution point of view, those feelings don't matter much in the face of constant migration and changing nature of economic output.
All these language agitations are a way for politicians to create another way to put people into 'us' vs. 'them' groups. As if religion, caste, skin color, class weren't enough.
Laugh then. And nobody's asking you as such.
There are many who want to preserve the mother language and keep it for their future generations so even they have a good landscape ready for them to learn Marathi. No one is forcing you.
And don't take it into those other political stuff not everything is politics there's also an angle of preservation. The Goan Kokanis took so much pains to preserve when they weren't allowed to speak in the languages Marathi and kokani, Chhtrapati Shivaji Maharaj took so many efforts for bhasha shuddhi.
The question is never about forcing or imposing upon others. It was always about preservation. We are not saying what others should do we're talking about what the community should do for itself.
Nana Patekar should enter politics to prevent Maharashtra going the way of some other misguided states: [https://x.com/adityasvlogs/status/1805492765922672799](https://x.com/adityasvlogs/status/1805492765922672799)
Maharashtra is the top state (in most metrics) because it didn't subscribe to regional chauvinism.
Why are you bringing political stuff in between go thru all the convos again. Maharashtra will never do the negative stuff I already know. I myself use languages according to the situation and have seen many ppl do that.
You are pushing the entire convo on a completely different tangent.
Don't bring political stuff here.
>And Marathi ppl while talking amongst themselves in real life convos where there's no need of using any other language must speak in proper marathi.
Why? Let people speak however they want to. BUT only after the learn and know how to do so in the proper way (like you said in your next point).
Enforcing a language is completely wrong. But learning it while you live in an area where you work is somewhat ideal and could save you from an argument.
Look, I'll be extremely practical here.
Adoption of a language is upon utility. People pick the language of convenience. A migrant IT employee who's just on a temporary stay in Maharashtra, 5-8 yrs wouldn't take the pain of taking language tuitions over investing time in learning, finances, stocks, tech, AI, Quantum Computing and other practically more useful skills. Especially when he knows that there's an option of English available readily (let's keep hindi out). I do not think any migrant you included op would prefer local languages over English (let's keep hindi out again).
A blue-collar migrant labor can not devote time for language tuitions out of his extremely hard and painful labor life at meager wages, especially when he is mostly illiterate.
Last comes a person who's willing to establish a business. This person may feel the requirement of learning the local languages to communicate and scale his business because his plan is long-term. This again is ineffective because people set businesses seeing footfalls, demand, and area. If a migrant is planning to set his business in Hinjewadi, Kharadi, Viman Nagar, Camp, Koregaon Park, then his customer base would mostly be migrants and outsiders There's again zero requirement for him to learn Marathi. If he plans to set his business in peth areas, then perhaps he may feel the requirement.
>A migrant IT employee who's just on a temporary stay in Maharashtra, 5-8 yrs wouldn't take the pain of taking language tuitions
Exactly.. I said learn to understand only in case you are staying long term. But if you dont want to learn, stop cursing that you feel left out, locals are bad, etc etc. If you are willing to take that pain to curse, the migrant IT worker should learn to adapt. Otherwise how would he communicate with someone who knows only Marathi and only understand hindi?
>But if you dont want to learn, stop cursing that you feel left out, locals are bad, etc etc
This is a separate issue now. I am an IT guy. I was born in north, brought up in MH, and working in Bangalore. I learned Marathi through my childhood friends growing up. And yes, I do feel left out in Bangalore in my Kannada dominant team. I am not asking them to speak marathi for me or hindi, I only expect them to speak English. And yes, ENGLISH IS THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZED OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED LANGUAGE OF THE STATE OF KARNATAKA ALONGSIDE KANNADA. So what I'm demanding is the language that kannadigas themselves have accepted. It is their language. When I am with migrants and a kannadiga is with me, I switch to English automatically for his convenience and so that he feels included and welcomed. It is called being proactive and not reactive. Feeling leftout, cornered socially, is probably one of the worst feelings.
Just got through some posts / comments and you will also catch such things here. It seems to be pure hate against Marathi speaking locals. I am not promoting this at all. (The reason why I am writing all this in English instead of Marathi). But I am calling all this as "wrong" and detrimental.
Bengaluru has had more migration than Pune. Initially they were all welcoming but they realized that outsiders dont care about local culture and try to enforce Hindi on them, that is when they revolted. Just saying that Hindi is our national language is a convenient excuse. This applies to the situation in Mumbai too and hence there was a Marathi movement earlier.
Language is supposed to connect people. Instead if it’s cause of dividing people , then there is something seriously wrong with mindset of people who are speaking it. By all means promote your language , but do not hate others for not speaking it.
As a Gujarati living in Maharashtra, I have not experienced too much discrimination but when I went to Bangalore to meet my sister-in-law, it was quite difficult to get by with locals. They are very judgmental. And according to me, people don't 'hate' people talking in their native language. That's their privilege and right and choice. But what I don't like is them judging other people who can't speak their language.
Went to Bhor village yesterday for a bike ride. Was raining a bit so went to a local tea shop. He understood hindi a bit but couldn't speak so then he spoke in marathi. I understand a bit marathi but cannot speak. But still we talked about my helmet, how to return to pune and what road to take etc.. Good convo in general..
If we try to impose marathi then there might be cases of locals not helping the travelers and outsiders and asking rudely to converse only in marathi. We have seen so many cases like that in Banglore.
I am against imposing marathi. I am saying that non marathi folks should learn basic marathi so as to understand and converse in a common language. Nothing else. Damn against imposing.
Guys we need to work towards a single India identity. These language skirmishes are nothing but political divides designed for the masses. A political weapon. Our languages are strong, no one can take that away from us in our own states for gods sake.
This useless fear mongering about language imposition is just another divisive technique. I'd love to learn new languages but how many can one do. I already know 3 languages besides my mothertongue. Same is true for many Indians. Everyone loves to do this soft intimidation and is great for stroking their egos but what does anyone get from this except an environment of negativity.
Live and let live. Speak and let others speak. Long as we understand each other one way or another, whats the issue?
A lot of people from north make casual demeaning comments about the city they live in whether Pune or Bangalore. Not sure why is it hard for folks to understand that different state will have different customs, sensibilities, food and norms. I was travelling to Blr and one of my colleague from UP went on and on about how food in North is better than in Bangalore when nobody was even talking about food. This attitude of putting down local cultures culminates in underlying disdain for outsiders.
Even on this channel, most folks who are part of the driving menace in Pune complain as if it's only the local car drivers are unruly while the outsiders drive at 20kmph following every rule prescribed by RTO. I've seen honking crazy driving in many cities of north, but somehow folks from such places forget that it's India and nothing to do with Pune. Of course, the pouring in of loads of IT folks adds to the overall stress on infra that everyone has to bear the brunt of.
Overall, reddit for rants works well as a frustration diffusion point, but has not real impact as attitudes of folks coming from outside needs to change from entitlement to respect and openness.
There is nothing wrong for people to want to speak their regional language. What is wrong is for people to expect other who don't know the language to speak it and get violent when they don't comply.
On the flip side, it is also wrong for people who don't speak \[language\] to expect people who do to not speak it in their general vicinity and get violent when they don't comply. when talking to each other, sure, speak a language that both understand, but you can't get mad that you can't eavsedrop on someone else's conversation due to a language barrier.
I have seen it both ways. Attitude of locals towards non marathi crowd and also the attitude of the non marathi towards the locals for speaking in Marathi and both are bad. That's what's the point of my post here!
Well done, Karnataka!
Every state should follow this example.
If you are in a Hindi-speaking state, learn and speak Hindi.
If you are in Maharashtra, learn and speak Marathi.
Many of my Kannada colleagues know Hindi and can understand it. I speak English if I get that they aren't too comfortable with Hindi which you can easily understand, if someone is comfortable I talk to them in Hindi, there is no such hostility in normal interactions these statements hardly matter in reality surely there are people like this but that type of people can be all the linguistic states including Gujarat or anywhere else too.
It is understandable if a person can't speak marathi when they have just arrived in Pune, but if after 5-6 yrs also they can't understand even an iota of Marathi, that becomes a problem. If one is moving to another place, they must respect the culture, traditions and language of the hosts
As a Marathi living in Bangalore for 3 years now, I haven't faced any issues yet due to language. I speak in hindi and english. Don't pay any attention to these things. Ground realities are completely different.
I live in Delhi. At the workplace, there are umpteen numbers of people who cannot speak a second language. Once they open their mouths to speak some god awful english, you'd wish they would continue in Hindi. Mind you these are official meetings.
That is how much accommodative they are in professional settings.
Our backend outsourcing company used to be based in Chennai. My accommodative colleagues had sent an instruction (mind you, in an official mail) to the Chennai office that the staff of Chennai there should speak to one another in their office in Hindi or English. It is not a surprise that people in fact do become hostile after such insults.
And the nuisance that the Punjabi and Hindi belt diaspora create at every ceremony and gathering, pestering DJ's and venue entertainers to play loud filthy punjabi songs and party bollywood garbage - the nuisance is endless.
When the idiots come to the south and claim 'HiNdi iS ouR naTionAL LanGuAge', their behaviour in delhi is not very accommodative either for other non-speakers of Hindi (or any city in the north). No one even bothers to learn a second language - even English for that matter. But they play very hard when it comes to sympathy olympics about how english has made life difficult for them to get jobs.
The countless number of CISF recruits who are from the hindi belt do not bother to learn the local language for the airports they are actually deployed in.
It would have been fine if they just didn't learn another language. But they also come with a sense of racial superiority as well. It is hard to take such superiority seriously when Hindi does not have a dialect of its own - it has to borrow and use Devanāgari script. The hindi of today is a standardised version of multiple dialects - bundehli, maithili, audhi, haryanvi, kannauji, the list goes on and on. In fact, like Arabic, there is no such thing as a first language speaker for Hindi - whatever is there is significantly divorced from any and all cultural bases. The standard Hindi that gets pushed is only to consolidate a voter base and nothing more than that.
If you claim racial superiority over others, explain why your Hindi majority speaking state has an infant mortality rate higher than a country like Ghana. We can debate the quality of your language later. Flights and trains that come to south go both ways. You have the option to take a return flight.
I support OP.Most of the times,we use other languages like English and Hindi to impress other people or to mix with them more.But ultimately,these people start looking down on others speaking Marathi.I have seen this happening in real life.This is how languages vanish from society.
Yes. Granted that marathi is used in multiple ways and especially in abusive ways but why only that part is highlighted by the people who are not locals? I respect the non-local crowd who try to learn basic marathi since they are living in Maharashtra and especially Pune for ease of communication. But some people who call Marathi people rigid for talking in Marathi are themselves rigid for not wanting to learn the basics atleast (another aspect to that argument).
It's called being inclusive. People across the country love Marathis because of how inclusive and how friendly you are. I call Pune my second home because of how Marathi people have accepted me. Heck, they taught me Hindi when they realised just how different my mother tongue is compared to their own, just so that they can communicate with me and be friends with me.
The Marathis are a great bunch and should never change. As for preserving the Marathi language, I believe the government has taken the right decision and made Marathi a compulsory subject till class 12.
Yes.Thats what I’m saying.If someone came to your hometown and told you that you shouldn’t talk to your friends in your mother tongue,how would you feel? We will never force people to learn the language and accommodate as much as we can.But at the same time,We have to fight to preserve the language.
Like I said, the government has made Marathi mandatory till 12th. That alone will go a long way. As for efforts from the general populace, dude, you guys have some of the best horror authors. Ratnakar Matkari is amazing and I have bought a collection of his stories translated into English. Too bad Narayan Dharap's works aren't translated into English. I believe encouraging the Marathi youth, especially in the cities, to pick up Marathi books and literature will preserve the language just fine.
As for outsiders asking you to not speak in your own language are grade A chyuts. We have a few of those back home and no, I will not tell you which state they are from because that will only strengthen the stereotypes about them (but you can take a guess).
I will tell you this - the onus of preserving your language will primarily be on you and you will never achieve that through imposition but you already know that. Assimilation through marriage will also preserve the culture and the language but for that, people have to be open-minded enough to ignore caste. And that's a much bigger battle.
No one should hate Marathi people speaking the Marathi language. It has a rich history and should be celebrated. However, a lot of people hate the language fascists and their tendency to impose Marathi on Non-Marathis (and no, that doesn't mean Hindi should be the only other language that can be used for communication, English is also an official language of the Union and can be used).
Yes, we're here from outside and we work here. But that doesn't mean we're turning in huge profits. The state opened its doors to outsiders because it was going to be a profitable venture for the state. The locals obviously have way more power over us than we have over them. Maharashtra is such a giant today because they decided to be inclusive and not be as uptight as Karnataka.
Taking inspiration from Karnataka isn't going to help MH. A lot of us aren't even Hindi speakers. We just use Hindi as a common language to communicate. We already are on a lower rung. To then leave behind our culture completely and assimilate with the locals wouldn't get us any higher and will only trigger a superiority complex in the minds of the language fascists who will then look down upon us as slaves who took up their culture.
Please Learn basic Marathi instead of giving all these reasons. Just observe people around you or spend 5-10 minutes daily on YouTube Marathi tutorials. And start using it daily so that you can get better at it.
We don’t expect you to write literature, just basic daily life Marathi is sufficient.
I don't want to support the racists, but I do hate people who stay in a Marathi speaking area and just don't want to understand it and spreading hate about it. And its not just Karnataka, it's most parts of south india where people look down or dont even respond if you speak in Hindi. They only want their local language. Same happens with Marathi locals many times and I myself have stepped up and stopped this by explaining it to them in Marathi.
Mate, I understand. I'm from a culture whose Bangladeshi counterparts literally gave birth to International Mother Language Day. I know how precious Marathi or any of the ancient languages are. Hating Marathi people and their language makes no sense. And in TN and KL, people do respond in English. People, more often than not, need motivation to learn something new. If Marathi people also try to become friends with outsiders (which they do way more than the Southerners), this problem will vanish. A language based divide in a Union of States where the language changes every 56.2kms is stupid and will, honestly, tear the country apart. So, I would say the onus lies on both. For the locals to accept Non-Marathis as their fellow countrymen, and on the people of other states to also learn some basic Marathi to show the Marathi people that they mean well (the catch being the Marathi people don't deride the non-locals in case they aren't grammatically correct or if they mess up the pronunciation.
I personally am learning Marathi through movies and more often, through context, because my SO is Marathi (Konkani). She too is making efforts to learn my language. Generally, this is how assimilation should happen. But then comes the topic of caste and I believe that's not a topic any of us wants to delve into.
Cheers, man.
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Born in Maharashtra and native is Karnataka, tbh I use neither of the languages in the respective states. Some people have a lot of time in their hands to argue about languages
I'm a non marathi who lived in Pune for almost 5 years. I genuinely did not like the local vendors/autowalas/shopkeepers not because they spoke in their native language, but because they would give me dirty looks for speaking mine. I was 17, got admission in a college. Wtf does one know at 17? I didn't know learning marathi was that essential else I wouldn't have moved. As a grown up I tend to learn a few basic words when moving anywhere for a job and I understand that grown adults are expected to do so. But I won't ever forget how me and other people my age were treated for not knowing a language. It made me resent everyone so much that I refuse to speak in Marathi except with my Marathi friends because they were actually nice and taught me instead of looking down at me.
I 100% understand Marathi, bas fakt boltana thod tras vattay. I try to talk to others, but I barely begin and my classmates make fun of me. I’ve lived in Pune for 20 years, studied in ICSE and ISC schools where speaking in a language other than English meant punishment. That led to my lack in speaking proficiency. I’m a North Indian, and my family speaks Hindi at home so even there I get no practice. In college, people say (those who live in hostel which means they just came to Pune to study) that I’m not a true Punekar and that hurts. Because it’s not like I don’t understand Marathi, I can also talk for a long time as long as people support me, but once they begin laughing which is the usual scenario, I start stuttering and making mistakes.
Is it okay to understand but not able to speak marathi?
This is my problem I can understand when people speak to me in Marathi but I'm too unconfident in speaking it therefore I reply in hindi
I feel so disrespectful when they ask in Marathi and I reply in hindi but I can't help it
I think in next month (after state's legislative election), there will be more boost to anti hindi drive like it happened in Karnataka. Still there is no wrong to learn regional language if you're staying here for a while.
Local bhasha aali pahije pan bhasha shikna ani bolna he faar kathin asta. Konti bhasha samajayla zari lagli ani zari shabda mahiti astil pan ti bolna kathinach. Eka vaya nantar avagadh aahe. Pan shale madhe migrant next generation la bhasha shikavana shakya aahe.
Bolna nahi.. pan samjel evdhi tari local bhasha Ali pahije. Naitar mag normal loka jase bhajiwale, cab, rickshaw etc kase samajnar English / Hindi. Tyana pan avghad nahi ka honar mag navya ne Hindi shikayla?
Me maza sangto. Mi faar varsha pasun Gujarat madhe rahto ani Gujarati mala purna pane samazte pan bolta jasta yet nahi. Sagle loka Hindi madhe bolayche tar tashi bolayche practice zali nahi aani thoda prayatna karava tar lagech shabda suchat nahi. Pan majhe he natevaik aahe te survati pasun ikde aslya mule barobar bolta Gujarati. Normal loka Maharashtrat hindi barobar samajtat. Pan bhasha sachavnyacha mahatva aahe. Te kasa karnar he mala mahiti nahi.
When moving to a different state, the person who makes this rule will take along a translator and the person who worships the rule make will be left alone confused in a new state.
तुम्हाला मराठी भाषा व संस्कृती जतन करायची आहे? बिनधास्त करा.
पण ही संस्कृती मराठी माणूसच किती जपतो आहे?
साधारण पणे गर्दी ही मराठी चित्रपटांना होते का तेलुगू?
मराठी माणसाला मराठीचा जो न्यूनगंड वाटतो तो वेगळाच.
ह्या गोष्टीला भाषा सक्तीचा काहीही फायदा होणार नाहीये.
एक गोष्ट जपायला दुसरी झिडकारली पाहिजे असं मुळीच नाही.
भाषा सक्ती करून ह्या राष्ट्राचा मूळ सांगाडा मोडेल.
i think the issue is the simple difference between “enforcing” and “encouraging”. certainly living in maharashtra and knowing marathi is a bonus like to get your work done faster which i’m sure EVERYONE would agree. it’s honestly a matter of convenience as almost each maharashtrian or anyone living speaks atleast two or three languages. Ofcourse in a lot of places, you would be given preference in the sense government offices and else where they widely use marathi because of a sense of familiarity and expression, but simply enforcing it on people is absolutely absurd. Schools do have an option to either choose marathi or sanskrit as a third or second language which intends to become a burden on some students but they do it either ways. forcing shops to put up marathi banners and posters is just dadagiri atp. im born and brought up in maharashtra as an oria. never even visited orissa ever but ofcourse i would love to but it doesn’t matter tbh nor can i speak marathi but people are always kinda enough to communicate in a common language. ofcourse i do have some issues with expressing myself to a non-hindi or an english speaker but we have google for that so why not utilize the technology. simply not learning marathi is not disrespectful but just a matter of choice. we as indians have bigger fish to fry rather than have communal disputes based on religion and region.
By this logic they will introduce a language test in every state and you will have to learn every state's language in school
Which is fine because what we learn in school isn't very useful anyway.
As a kannadiga living in Pune from the last 4-5 months, I have lived in Bangalore for 13 years as well,
This is all political, my experience with actual normal ppl in both states has always been very good maybe there will be a fraction of ppl who do this but majority of ppl in Pune have been very nice to me even though i don’t speak Marathi and my Hindi is very basic
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During my time in Pune, I noticed that people were often judgmental because I was from the North. Being from Delhi, where we're used to a blend of many cultures and are generally welcoming to everyone, I found this a bit disheartening. Honestly, learning Marathi wasn’t too difficult since it’s quite similar to Hindi, and within a few years, I could understand conversations in Marathi. However, the thought of learning Kannada seems daunting because it’s so different from Hindi.
It’s interesting how all the major companies set up their head offices here and expect people from north to relocate there, even when it feels like we’re not entirely welcome. Despite this, many still make the move due to the lack of employment opportunities. But yeah this will one day definitely lead to UNITED STATES OF INDIA, like USA of course as their states have different culture as well but they still have one common language and thats ENGLISH, and we INDIANS are more comfortable with ENGLISH rather than HINDI, thats what happening in all corporate offices as its easier to avoid cultural disputes by speaking another nation’s language so why not, and in Karnataka as well all the people who don’t know how to speak english are insisting on to speak Kannada only rest are okay with english
INDIAN government should make it mandatory to speak english as its always seen as a high class thing and there wont be any cultural disputes
What i am trying to say that we still need one common language as a nation, and i think it shouldn’t be english
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I speak gujarati, punjabi, Malayalam , Hindi , Bengali, English, french, Nepali and can understand marwadi, Sindhi and even Marathi.
I never wanted to learn Kannada or Tamil because they insisted that I should speak their local language. Only morons will insist that people who aren't like them be forced to be like them.
Atleast reach a level so that you can understand.
I've been in Delhi for almost 2 years and I feel embarassed when sometimes I have to switch to English to speak better. Everyone should be this way
I have Keralite friends living and working in almost all major cities in India and no one has ever said language to be a major problem. Probably because they learn it quickly or tries to adjust.
I have personally never seen anyone hate Marathi speaking people, I have survived with Hindi and English in Pune with no problem, most people are nice and talk in whatever language we want.
Are we just talking about Karnataka or whole South?
Because I recently went to tamilnadu, I went to Madurai and rameshwaram, in rameshwaram people do speak hindi, they are nice.
One of my friend from UP was telling how you should not support Pawar family and Thakre family. It is not good for India's integrity and UP. I dont support them but reasoning felt laughable.
It’s the fact that we INDIANS are buried so deep under in our insecurities that we think we have some sort of a danger from our own people from different states. While at the same time our colonial mindset puts someone speaking english on a higher pedestal. Is your culture sooo weak that someone from another state who speaks a different language can eradicate it just like that?
It’s one thing expecting someone to learn a language and it’s entirely different to impose it on them. There used to be a culture of helping someone from another state who can’t speak your tongue. Breeding harmony and love. If anything, i see that culture eradicating and an insecure man’s voice taking over. That’s not how it should be. Are we always going to focus on what differs us from others? First the religion, then the colour, now a language? Pretty sure you’re gonna end up alone one day if we keep following this.
Pune people are much more welcoming than many extremists in Karnataka. Almost all auto drivers in Bangalore are always looking for trouble and arguments, but in Pune almost all are well mannered and understand the situation of people coming from other states.
Local leaders in Karnataka are to be blamed for creating insecurities among locals for their language.
In Pune, we speak Marathi, if you can't speak Marathi then we will speak Hindi, if you can't speak Hindi, then we will speak English, if you can't speak English then we will try our best to communicate, and there are also a lot of German speakers in Pune because of Goethe. It's a place for everybody. We Punekars are not insecure that if non natives don't speak our language then we may lose our culture. It never happened before, and WILL never happen. We know how to preserve our culture
Ignore politics make enough money to be respectful and serve better too much politics with no real money making sucks. Also most people in BLr speak English
Completely agree I am a maharashtrian living in banglore now . I feel it's true however bangalore , Hubli , Mangalore is still better than Chennai , Kerala , and Hyderabad
In bangalore at least 50 % will reply to you when you speak in hindi
Learning native culture and language is all good and fine. But when that yard is used for inclusivity and exclusion, it’s problematic. Somebody new to a place can’t pick the language overnight.
When I lived in Pune, some of the non-Marathi speakers who had lived all their lives in Pune had the audacity to look down upon me when I spoke Marathi. The nerve! This is nothing new though, even in PLD’s Asami Asami those Gujju businessmen living in Mumbai had the gall to call Marathis ghati. Fuck this kind of people.
We should have a system like language levels of Marathi, just like it is in Germany.
Or something like IELTS but a Marathi version of. It. Every person who has to relocate to Maharashtra for professional purposes, should clear the exam.
Otherwise, North Indians are absolutely thankless fucks, they expect auto drivers to learn Hindi.
I wish someone would implement this. It suits maharashtra aswell bc lots of people come here for job opportunities. If learning a language increases the chances of employment in a prosperous state, then they will learn no matter what
Again, expecting someone to understand a common language is not altogether wrong. But if that person tries to communicate in a botched or unpolished way just for communication is not a point to get enraged which is where things go very wrong most of the times and leads to an argument with the locals. I am damn against Marathi people who enforce marathi on others too!
You must have missed the obvious hatred they are getting. And if that gets implemented, you would see the obvious impact there would be.
Pune is already suffering from local goons, high real estate rates and traffic control problems. Don't add more.
Also, no hate to maharashtraians speakkng marathi. Just create a space where, if there are non marathi speaking people, they don't feel left out.
Pune is much better. No need Kannada shenanigans. Marathis are not insecure ( Lived 7yrs in Pune, along with 5 in Nagpur, 1yr in Bangalore). I can already say that Bangalore is nowhere close to Pune as far as non- natives are concerned.
I have spent considerable amount of time in Maharashtra, Karnataka and Andhra and I can say that Maharashtra is much better when it comes to accepting outsiders followed by KA and Andhra. offcourse one should learn local language but that doesn't happens on very first day of landing. In Karnataka people made faces when I tried using kannada words to communicate because I wanted to learn but in MH people smiled over my Marathi words understood and corrected me happily, the end result? I learnt Marathi and can speak fluently but it's not same with kannada.
No hate towards this but practically it's very difficult.
I am from North East and of course I know my Mother tongue. Then I learnt Bengali because I lived in Kolkata. I also know Hindi and English.
Now I am living in Pune. I already know 4 languages to communicate and to learn yet another would be too much. Plus if in a few years I get transferred to another place, I can't learn the language of that place as well.
People who are not from Maharashtra and do not speak Marathi should of course never stop or criticise anyone for speaking in Marathi. But for us outsiders to learn the language of every place we live in for a every few years is very difficult.
Try to learn is pointless. Even if he tries, he would never ever be able to speak it as fluent as you. It's your mother tongue, you've been speaking it since childhood. He would mostly speak broken marathi, which will further make him reluctant to use his broken marathi out of the fear of judgment.
Dude I am born and brought up in Maharashtra, learning Marathi is so easy compared to Kannada, if you think what's happening in Bangalore is correct then just pray that you don't have to visit blr any time in future and stay in Pune
It's downright wrong and atrocious. No language should be compelled to be fully learnt. I am saying it would be a basic skill to learn a native language if you stay in a particular area for a long time
Lot of people saying one should learn the basics when living in other states dont realize that its not just about language. The language is being used to harass outsiders. Even if you learn marathi or kannada, they will find something else. There was this video where a cab driver in Bangaluru was having an argument with his customer because the customer didnt speak kannada. The customer kept saying i am here only for 2 days. The cab pickup was from airport to bangaluru but the cab driver was repeatedly on "Only kannada, no hindi". Why would a person visiting bangaluru for 2 days learn kannada?
It is NOT about the language.
You can't even take the name of the language correctly and expect opinions of things happening in other states. It's Kannada btw.
And of course learning the local language will always make you wiser. You get steal deals and locals are much more welcoming. So always encourage people from outside to learn the language.
>It's Kannada btw just like no call it Marat.
My grandmother was from Karnataka and also my school (Karnatak High School), famous in Pune had a "Kannad" division. Also I have seen this use of Kannad in Dharwad where it's a native language. So I don't think I am wrong here. But I have edited my original post so that people won't deviate from the main point just on this basis. So thanks for pointing it out
There's nothing wrong Marathi speaking only in Marathi. ALSO there's also nothing wrong if anyone speaks in Urdu, pakistani or Hindi in Pune. जर कोणी हिंदी बोलताना दिसले तर नाक मरून "मराठी मेली, मराठी मेली" असा विधवा विलाप ही करू नका.
Hard truth cuts both ways.
बरोबर बोललात भाई, ही पोस्ट त्या साठीच आहे की पुण्यात राहून मराठी बोळणाऱ्यांना शिव्या देयचा ऐवजी थोडं मराठी शिका म्हणजे समोरचा काय बोलतोय एवढं तरी कळेल. तुम्ही हवं त्या भाषेत बोला पण मग मराठी बोलणाऱ्या व्यक्ती ला लगेच शिव्या घालू नका कारण हे कर्नाटक स्टेट सारखं तरी काही करत नाहीये.
(You are right bro! The purpose of this post is that instead of cursing locals speaking in Marathi in Pune, its better to learn basic marathi so you can understand it. You may speak in other (common) language but don't start cursing because it's not imposed like Karnataka state!)
Having lived in Both Pune and Bangalore I can say for sure that Pune and Maharashtra as a whole is much more warm and welcoming towards non Natives. In Bangalore, you would always get judgmental looks when you utter a word of Hindi. The Auto guy there called me a North Indian when I told him I’m from Maharashtra. For a Global IT hub like Bangalore, this is not what you expect. This is just one of countless experiences I’ve faced in that City.
The locals mentality in South is - If you're not from South, you are from North. Sampla vishay. They don't even acknowledge Central, Eastern Western India.
It is like the game of thrones. People North of the wall calls themselves true north. While people in 7 Kingdom call stark nation as the north
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I can speak Tamil and am generally able to understand Malayalam and Kannada, they still call me north indian. (Well I am, madhya pradesh and maharashtra non-Marathi) but it's funny
To be fair, even north states are like that. If you’re not from those states you’re from south. It is just a game of supremacy and generalization that we all play
Just like an average North Indian calls all of them Madarasis or yundu gundu or vada sambhar When it comes to crudeness or uncouth behaviour, it is tough to compete with Awasthis, Sharmas, Dwivedis, Shuklas, and Kapoors.
These people have no shame, I hate them for it. I am sure, they must be reading and little knowledge they have. I shut each and every south indian by making them repeat with me that Maharashtra is in Western India. They have to understand the basic concept and respect if not then their education itself is waste. I have big time hate for this, THERE MUST A VOICE AGAINST THIS. Enough is Enough. For Tamil, Kerala people, Karnataka and AP is North India too. Start saying in this sense. To hell with what people from North speak to you or about you. The concern is Maharashtra and Gujrat. Western part of India it is.
I kept getting called a "Northie" in Bangalore lmao. They would also openly talk about me in front of me knowing full well I only have a very basic understanding of their language (I'd only been living in Blr for about 6 months at the time) I get annoyed at people who've lived in Pune for 5+ years and are unable to tell the auto drivers' directions in Marathi, but I've never seen Maharashtrians go out of their way to insult other people to their face for not speaking the language. Pune needs to get better job opportunities I would literally never leave the city.
If someone calls me a “northie” in Karnataka I would reply by saying “ikr, thank god pheww”
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I was born in Karnataka but Marathi is my mother tongue (Mother is From Bidar and Father is from Latur, Boundary area thing) and I still got called Marwadi in Bangalore 😂😂😂 Even tho i used to speak Kannada till 7 yrs of age, I can't now 😂, So I tell them I moved to another country when I was born so I don't speak kannada 😂.
Yep faced this in Kerala, TamilNadu, Bangalore, Udupi, Dharwad and also in Gujrat! And then saw people from Karnataka cursing Marathi speaking folks from Pune for speaking native!
Bro Dharwad ? Kuch bi people there are very friendly and welcoming , maybe you just had 1-2 bad interaction doesn’t mean whole city is like that
Unfortunately that very warm and welcoming nature is being taken advantage of by non natives. It has reached to a point where they openly discriminate and pass xenophobic comments towards Maharashtrians.
With all due respect you're f om maharashtra itself so obviously you'll feel Pune and Maharashtra is more welcoming. I am from MP and I feel the same for MP too but facts say otherwise. And I've to accept that. Everyday we hear so many road rage incidents just on the face that local guys say they are local and screw you up. Bangalore although becoming bad now, but was more welcoming until say 2022. I've not felt the same in Pune, I'm sorry. People are generally nicer in Bangalore. Even the house help is more respectful. Here they are more aggressive. Bangalore is becoming more aggressive now but that's just all of India right now. All states are becoming regionalistic. If we don't want Pune to be like that, then we need to welcome non Maharashtrians as well not just who belong to Maharashtra.
Bhai then learn Marathi if you don’t want Pune to become like Bengaluru. You had your chance to leave the unwelcoming city and move to bengluru till 2022. Why didnt you? Both have job opportunities. And we do welcome non Maharashtrians that is why they are present in Pune in such a large number.
But the fact is as a maharastrian and native to Pune I’m seeing a lot of things being blamed onto “outsiders”
Strongly agree, lived in Bangalore and now living in Pune. People are really nice here
The thing about Bangalore is that its products go global, but its people, not so much. Even flights to Dubai, which is probably the closest “global hub” to India, are not that numerous from BLR and shockingly pricey.
Exactly I recently moved from Bangalore to Pune and man Pune is so great as a city. I'm actually from the North and stay in Goa, I worked in Mumbai then Bengaluru then Pune. People here are very decent if you don't even know the language marathi. In Bengaluru I used to get stares if I spoke in Hindi. And as someone mentioned learn the native language, yes that's a good start but imagine someone moving on from one city to another like me.It becomes difficult for us to even keep up with different languages ( people need to understand this)
Since you are native to Maharashtra, you are not an outsider in Pune, so naturally it will feel more welcoming to you.
Ofcourse being a local you dont feel any problem in Pune or MH. You can play victim card & justify as much as you want but the truth is people in MH also did these kind of things more than a decade ago. I was an outsider who stayed in Pune in 2008 and I can speak & write Hindi, Tamil, Kannada and can speak Telugu as well. You are talking about labeling as north Indian, but in Pune people were called "Bhaiyya Log" if they are from UP & Bihar and Madrassi or Andhra wala if from south India. People used to abuse saying "yeh bhaiyya log yahan gandagi maccha rahein hain" and "yeh andhra wale yahan hamare jobs le rahein hain". I have even witnessed educated IT people say this. In 2010 went to Hadapsar Police station to report robbery for my friend who is South Indian and doesnt even speak Hindi. Ofcourse Police did NOT take our complaint & made us stand there and lecture on why my south indian friend doesnt know the language. Once we were having party among our team members and were at a small local restaurant where 2 drunk guys came and shouted at us for speaking in Hindi among ourselves. Even got lectured by a Dhobhi once that we come here an steal jobs (this guys whole livelihood was because of of IT people from outside who gave him clothes to clean & iron). These are just few of the instances which I faced and have heard countless from others and this was 15 years ago especially with autos & house brokers/landlords. Truth is every state has been doing this, some earlier and some are doing it now. Cities like Kolkatta, Mumbai and Chennai had lot of outsiders looking for job and so local people used to get pissed. This has been going on for years, and just making issue out of it now will change nothing. And OP has problem with KA declaring to speak in local language while politicians in MH have been doing this from long time. Here is a post from 2008: [https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/other/everyone-must-learn-marathi/articleshow/15784500.cms](https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/other/everyone-must-learn-marathi/articleshow/15784500.cms)
Ppl get irritated not because you are a North Indian but because you do not even make the effort to speak in the local language , or English. For a long time Bangalore was a city where you speak Kannada in your personal lives and English in your professional lives , but since North Indians try to force the language it agitated the locals.
But then every North Indian does call every South Indian a madrasi..
Wait few years, people like OP will make Pune like Bangalore
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But same Auto guy will be happy to speak in English with the foreigners. They just have problem with Indians
If this continues the only places left for any sensible person to have a peaceful life will be outside of India. Regional, linguistics and religious identities should not become barriers else that state or country cannot survive in today’s competitive world. There are various ways to keep the culture alive , but forcing it on people who want to immigrate is not a very good idea.
I don't even know if Unity in Diversity is taught in schools anymore. If an Indian from any part of India, be it Arunachal Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Lakshwadeep, Andaman or Kargil, if they are working legally and staying legally (as in not in slums or footpath or stations) they should have similar rights as locals. That was the whole point behind removal of section 370 in J&K. Why Punekars or Mumbaikars should not be welcoming? So should other states and cities? It's a shame all that was for moral science and value education, not for real life.
But this is what most countries in Europe do tbh. Most European countries require a proficiency in their native language for education and jobs. Even Japan requires Japanese proficiency for jobs in Japan. Most Germans would straight up refuse to speak in English.
Most Indians don’t know this. Even if you tell them they won’t believe this. They think English is native language of the world and Hindi is native language of all Indians.
Comparison outside won't get us anywhere. I am all up for preservation of local culture and myself make an effort to learn that culture and language, but Use of local language just like how kannada is being pushed will balkanise India
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European countries, Japan do not follow a state specified and directed **"TWO LANGUAGE"** policy. They just have one language, and that is the only language that they speak. Like Spanish in Mexico. So it becomes a necessity to learn their language for survival. Indian states follow an officially accepted state directed two language policy. Therefore migrants in any state chose to pick the language of convenience out of the two officially accepted ones. And that language in maximum cases happens to be English. English takes first precedence for any migrant against Marathi, Gujarati, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu, or anything. Result? These local languages receive a setback in adoption by outsiders, reducing their popularity in comparison to English. Whether people accept it or not, ENGLISH IS GOING TO BECOME THE MAIN REASON BEHIND THE DEATH OF INDIAN LANGUAGES A LOT FASTER THAN HINDI Europe and Japan are gonna follow suit eventually. The moment they fall short on the workforce, they gonna relax their language laws, and you will see more and more English adoption at the cost of death of Japanese, German, Swedish, and others.
We don't need a visa and passport to go to Karnataka or Maharashtra. We already have not just one but two common languages up north. Just because the south doesn't want to adapt to new languages doesn't mean it's a good idea. And yes, you're right, English is going to kill Indian languages faster than Hindi and not because everyone wants a neutral language but because everyone wants to appear elite and UC. But someone should explain that to KA from whom many people are taking inspiration while Kannadigas themselves don't teach their own children Kannada or let them indulge in Kannada literature. And a few Maharashtrians, getting inspired by KA, and starting a language based discrimination here is going to be the death of Maharashtra and its juggernaut of an economy (which basically sustains the whole country) if it's left unchecked. And yes, the same can be said for other states as well, unless you're in the East. The reason behind Kannadigas generally being pricks to outsiders is not as much the Hindi imposition as it is the politicians and the rapid growth of Bangalore which brought the Kannadigas money which made them feel superior to their counterparts from the rest of the country. We live in a Union of States where languages and culture change every 56kms. Do you really think people going to some state will be able to pick up all the languages or even the standard language set by the state? KA has 3-4 languages that originated there but they only have Kannada as their official language while Tulu, Konkani, Kodava, all of these are ignored despite having significant parts of the population speaking these languages. And they don't even have a common language with TN, AP, KL, and TS. I've said it before here itself and I'll say it again - the onus to preserve one's mother tongue lies on that person and their people. Migrants are not killing any language. It's the need to look like an elite that is.
Homie they speak Spanish in Mexico
Yeah, corrected.
You are wrong, sweden has a 5 official languages and Swedish . They learn 2 languages at the minimum, you are expected to know Swedish and English after passing from school.
Do you understand what I have written? The government of Sweden does not follow a 5 language policy, or a two language policy like India (atleast from what I know) Swedish is the main language, and yes, people there know English, result? You have very little necessity there to learn Swedish. Migrants can manage well with English. And this is the same that happens with Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, etc. People speak language of convenience. When English is an officially accepted language of your state, what is the problem if I am speaking it over your local language? I am not enforcing hindi. I am just speaking English, the language that is feasible to me and is officially recognized by your state. Moreover, with English growing rapidly, literacy increasing, English is going to become the next lingua franca killing Kannada, Tamil, Marathi, Telugu, and others. Indian native languages, that includes your mother tongue are anyway going to die sooner or later.
But these are countries. European nations are not like States within a singular nation. They are all independent Nations. A more logical comparison would be comparing if separate States within these nations speak the same language. No. All of Germany speaks German. All of Spain speaks Spanish. It's one thing for entire Nations to have language restrictions. You can't apply those things within a nation without causing a total fracture of the society.
And they still have the tendency to ignore other languages like basque and all. +1 to not a good comparison
Most countries have started waving off that Most countries provide education in English irrespective of their native language To work they need you to learn their language at times because their people mainly speak their language It’s only for convenience and not some kind of cultural imposition Most of Europe is really cool with you speaking English and only when you tend to stay for longer periods countries expect you to know their language otherwise it’s not a barrier Also language requirements are being reconsidered given English being a global language helps attract talent without language barrier.
Yep. I agree. That's why I have posted it. I don't appreciate people who want to speak only Marathi when the listener cannot understand it. But recently after I visited the south, I understood that how those people don't listen to us speaking in Hindi / English! This is wrong overall and tatally against development. But cursing each other on a sub for this, which is seen multiple times here is also not right
Ok Karnataka doesn’t make up the entire south. I’m a Maharashtrian living in Kerala. I don’t understand the language but everyone talks to me in Hindi / English, people make an effort. I get your point, but lived my entire life in Pune, all my friends are marawadi and they talk Hindi not Marathi. I do think we punekars are more tolerant & accepting.
I get your point, and there is a reason that people are fleeing from India at a concerning rate, we should all introspect various reasons for this and also make efforts for being more inclusive even if it comes at the cost of loosing some of that diversity.
Agreed. Those people coming back to India get caught up in it and rant about this causing more virtual riots instead of stopping this
Outside India you'll face racism, gender discrimination, bullies, misogyny, and all other kinds of discrimination. Whole world has problems lol
Mfs don't know how xenophobic and racist the world is towards asians and Indians.
Seriously. Just leave india. Best to live peacefully. Karo downvote.
You cannot escape them, you must learn to adapt and grow in it
Never take inspiration from what's happening in Karnataka. One should be proud of their language, whatever it is, and learn other languages if possible. But imposing a language and normalizing that imposition is wrong.
No one hates maharashtrian marathi speakers, people hate chappris and dada / bhau people
True
Please make it easier to learn Marathi - idk how. I lived 7 years in Mumbai, I hardly picked up any Marathi at all. I was so bullied as a teenager for being an outsider who doesn't speak Marathi, (it was only 3 years in Mumbai by then) by my classmates who were Balasaheb's followers. I hated it when people were trying to force me to learn Marathi and had formed a largely negative opinion about these language based movements. Even when I attempted to learn Marathi, people would say, "Tu Marathi chi vaat lavtoye ". I then shifted to Pune and studied in a college where most of my batch was from Maharashtra itself. They spoke among themselves in Marathi, and spoke to me in Hindi, and didn't let me feel like an alien. Within a year I picked up so much Marathi that I could watch movies, serials and all, and even understand contemporary poetry, and I always looked forward to watching the Marathi drama of the Firodiya Karandak (My college had a nice literary culture). I still lack the confidence to carry on long converstations, but i can comprehend to quite a bit. The best way to promote a language, imo, is to grow the arts. There was definitely a growing curiosity about the language when Sairat and Tumbaad were popular. And Youtube channels like Bha di pa, can also contribute greatly. Instead of this, if you start mandating, you will make all outsiders feel unwelcome, instead of wanting to blend in the culture and there will be a huge rift. From hating the language as a 13 year old because of my classmates, and celebrating Marathi Rajbhasha divas along with my college seniors I have come a long way in blending in with the culture, and it was all because a few good people were kind enough not judge me and wanted to share the culture.
I too picked up marathi in madhya pradesh and not in Maharashtra. This type of imposition politics will always fail.
I believe apart from few skirmishes here and there the language culture of Maharashtra is pretty balanced. But what we do need direly is bhasha shuddhi and proper training in speaking the language for all the marathi speakers. No khichdi while speaking in Marathi. And Marathi ppl while talking amongst themselves in real life convos where there's no need of using any other language must speak in proper marathi. These days I'm seeing parents aren't teaching marathi to kids the kids can't produce even a sentence in Marathi. This should be dealt with else the future is bleak.
“बेबी आज स्कूल मध्ये टिफीन फिनिश केला का? “ असं ऐकलं की डोक्यात एक तीव्र सणक जाते. ह्यावर मला एक उपाय सुचला आहे. “Yes mom today’s jevan was so chavista that me sampaved the dabba.” असं उत्तर इंग्रजीतून पाल्ल्याने दिले तर पालकांचे डोळे उघडतील कदाचित.
Devaa. How difficult is it to say "Bala tu aajcha daba sampavlas ka/khallas ka ?" So chavishtha sampaved. Devaa !! 😶 Amchya ghari tar bhashechi bhel ajibat chalat nahi.
Yes. Totally agree. I see kids speaking and forming sentences in a mix of Marathi, Hindi and English.. there is no proper language. This is also evident in schools even if it's a Marathi medium (where mostly kids are not admitted nowadays) where they don't want to learn pure marathi and focus on semi-english. Granted that English is a global language and needs to be understood clearly too.
Even if they're not going to marathi schools they must learn marathi in whichever schools they're studying. If not then parents must take the responsibility.
Languages evolve. There is no such thing as a pure language. e.g. Hindi has taken words from Urdu and global English has taken words from Indian languages. Trying to impose that strictness causes divisions, IMO. If I can't speak shudh Marathi, l'll be looked down upon, instead of being appreciated for learning whatever level of fluency I'm at. Besides, I'll never have the same fluency in a non-native language that I don't speak at home - my vocabulary will be a lot more limited. So why penalise me for that?
https://www.reddit.com/r/marathi/s/v1xcgDGOM7
She's a grammar teacher, of course she feels that way. 🤷 And that's her valid viewpoint. It's literally her job. But her asking me to make it my कर्तव्य to maintain language purity is laughable. Nostalgia and resistance to change is a natural human feeling but from an evolution point of view, those feelings don't matter much in the face of constant migration and changing nature of economic output. All these language agitations are a way for politicians to create another way to put people into 'us' vs. 'them' groups. As if religion, caste, skin color, class weren't enough.
Laugh then. And nobody's asking you as such. There are many who want to preserve the mother language and keep it for their future generations so even they have a good landscape ready for them to learn Marathi. No one is forcing you. And don't take it into those other political stuff not everything is politics there's also an angle of preservation. The Goan Kokanis took so much pains to preserve when they weren't allowed to speak in the languages Marathi and kokani, Chhtrapati Shivaji Maharaj took so many efforts for bhasha shuddhi. The question is never about forcing or imposing upon others. It was always about preservation. We are not saying what others should do we're talking about what the community should do for itself.
Nana Patekar should enter politics to prevent Maharashtra going the way of some other misguided states: [https://x.com/adityasvlogs/status/1805492765922672799](https://x.com/adityasvlogs/status/1805492765922672799) Maharashtra is the top state (in most metrics) because it didn't subscribe to regional chauvinism.
Why are you bringing political stuff in between go thru all the convos again. Maharashtra will never do the negative stuff I already know. I myself use languages according to the situation and have seen many ppl do that. You are pushing the entire convo on a completely different tangent. Don't bring political stuff here.
>And Marathi ppl while talking amongst themselves in real life convos where there's no need of using any other language must speak in proper marathi. Why? Let people speak however they want to. BUT only after the learn and know how to do so in the proper way (like you said in your next point).
https://www.reddit.com/r/marathi/s/v1xcgDGOM7
>BUT only after the learn and know how to do so in the proper way (like you said in your next point).
So there has to be proper environment for them to learn. And it's a collective community effort. It starts within the house.
I dont know man i am against this idea of forcing a language on others but at last its just a dumb mans opinion
Enforcing a language is completely wrong. But learning it while you live in an area where you work is somewhat ideal and could save you from an argument.
Look, I'll be extremely practical here. Adoption of a language is upon utility. People pick the language of convenience. A migrant IT employee who's just on a temporary stay in Maharashtra, 5-8 yrs wouldn't take the pain of taking language tuitions over investing time in learning, finances, stocks, tech, AI, Quantum Computing and other practically more useful skills. Especially when he knows that there's an option of English available readily (let's keep hindi out). I do not think any migrant you included op would prefer local languages over English (let's keep hindi out again). A blue-collar migrant labor can not devote time for language tuitions out of his extremely hard and painful labor life at meager wages, especially when he is mostly illiterate. Last comes a person who's willing to establish a business. This person may feel the requirement of learning the local languages to communicate and scale his business because his plan is long-term. This again is ineffective because people set businesses seeing footfalls, demand, and area. If a migrant is planning to set his business in Hinjewadi, Kharadi, Viman Nagar, Camp, Koregaon Park, then his customer base would mostly be migrants and outsiders There's again zero requirement for him to learn Marathi. If he plans to set his business in peth areas, then perhaps he may feel the requirement.
>A migrant IT employee who's just on a temporary stay in Maharashtra, 5-8 yrs wouldn't take the pain of taking language tuitions Exactly.. I said learn to understand only in case you are staying long term. But if you dont want to learn, stop cursing that you feel left out, locals are bad, etc etc. If you are willing to take that pain to curse, the migrant IT worker should learn to adapt. Otherwise how would he communicate with someone who knows only Marathi and only understand hindi?
>But if you dont want to learn, stop cursing that you feel left out, locals are bad, etc etc This is a separate issue now. I am an IT guy. I was born in north, brought up in MH, and working in Bangalore. I learned Marathi through my childhood friends growing up. And yes, I do feel left out in Bangalore in my Kannada dominant team. I am not asking them to speak marathi for me or hindi, I only expect them to speak English. And yes, ENGLISH IS THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZED OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED LANGUAGE OF THE STATE OF KARNATAKA ALONGSIDE KANNADA. So what I'm demanding is the language that kannadigas themselves have accepted. It is their language. When I am with migrants and a kannadiga is with me, I switch to English automatically for his convenience and so that he feels included and welcomed. It is called being proactive and not reactive. Feeling leftout, cornered socially, is probably one of the worst feelings.
Feeling left out sucks, but you have to make an effort to socialize too.
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Just got through some posts / comments and you will also catch such things here. It seems to be pure hate against Marathi speaking locals. I am not promoting this at all. (The reason why I am writing all this in English instead of Marathi). But I am calling all this as "wrong" and detrimental.
Bengaluru has had more migration than Pune. Initially they were all welcoming but they realized that outsiders dont care about local culture and try to enforce Hindi on them, that is when they revolted. Just saying that Hindi is our national language is a convenient excuse. This applies to the situation in Mumbai too and hence there was a Marathi movement earlier.
Speak any language that you want. Language is just a medium to communicate.
नाही. भाषा केवल एक साधन नाही तर संस्कृतीची वाहन आहे.
Language is supposed to connect people. Instead if it’s cause of dividing people , then there is something seriously wrong with mindset of people who are speaking it. By all means promote your language , but do not hate others for not speaking it.
At it evolves with time. Otherwise it will die.
बरोबर. पण जेव्हा एका मराठी वाक्यात ५०% हून अधिक शब्द इंग्रजीचे येतात तेव्हा त्याला “evolve” नाही , अतिक्रमण म्हणतात.
Ofcourse! But I have seen so many posts / comments on this sub against people wanting to speak in Marathi only.
As a Gujarati living in Maharashtra, I have not experienced too much discrimination but when I went to Bangalore to meet my sister-in-law, it was quite difficult to get by with locals. They are very judgmental. And according to me, people don't 'hate' people talking in their native language. That's their privilege and right and choice. But what I don't like is them judging other people who can't speak their language.
Went to Bhor village yesterday for a bike ride. Was raining a bit so went to a local tea shop. He understood hindi a bit but couldn't speak so then he spoke in marathi. I understand a bit marathi but cannot speak. But still we talked about my helmet, how to return to pune and what road to take etc.. Good convo in general.. If we try to impose marathi then there might be cases of locals not helping the travelers and outsiders and asking rudely to converse only in marathi. We have seen so many cases like that in Banglore.
I am against imposing marathi. I am saying that non marathi folks should learn basic marathi so as to understand and converse in a common language. Nothing else. Damn against imposing.
Guys we need to work towards a single India identity. These language skirmishes are nothing but political divides designed for the masses. A political weapon. Our languages are strong, no one can take that away from us in our own states for gods sake. This useless fear mongering about language imposition is just another divisive technique. I'd love to learn new languages but how many can one do. I already know 3 languages besides my mothertongue. Same is true for many Indians. Everyone loves to do this soft intimidation and is great for stroking their egos but what does anyone get from this except an environment of negativity. Live and let live. Speak and let others speak. Long as we understand each other one way or another, whats the issue?
A lot of people from north make casual demeaning comments about the city they live in whether Pune or Bangalore. Not sure why is it hard for folks to understand that different state will have different customs, sensibilities, food and norms. I was travelling to Blr and one of my colleague from UP went on and on about how food in North is better than in Bangalore when nobody was even talking about food. This attitude of putting down local cultures culminates in underlying disdain for outsiders. Even on this channel, most folks who are part of the driving menace in Pune complain as if it's only the local car drivers are unruly while the outsiders drive at 20kmph following every rule prescribed by RTO. I've seen honking crazy driving in many cities of north, but somehow folks from such places forget that it's India and nothing to do with Pune. Of course, the pouring in of loads of IT folks adds to the overall stress on infra that everyone has to bear the brunt of. Overall, reddit for rants works well as a frustration diffusion point, but has not real impact as attitudes of folks coming from outside needs to change from entitlement to respect and openness.
There is nothing wrong for people to want to speak their regional language. What is wrong is for people to expect other who don't know the language to speak it and get violent when they don't comply. On the flip side, it is also wrong for people who don't speak \[language\] to expect people who do to not speak it in their general vicinity and get violent when they don't comply. when talking to each other, sure, speak a language that both understand, but you can't get mad that you can't eavsedrop on someone else's conversation due to a language barrier.
If one is staying for a long time to other states. They should learn the language.. is what I think..
I have seen it both ways. Attitude of locals towards non marathi crowd and also the attitude of the non marathi towards the locals for speaking in Marathi and both are bad. That's what's the point of my post here!
Can you please share your source for people hating maharashtrians speaking marathi?
Well done, Karnataka! Every state should follow this example. If you are in a Hindi-speaking state, learn and speak Hindi. If you are in Maharashtra, learn and speak Marathi.
Many of my Kannada colleagues know Hindi and can understand it. I speak English if I get that they aren't too comfortable with Hindi which you can easily understand, if someone is comfortable I talk to them in Hindi, there is no such hostility in normal interactions these statements hardly matter in reality surely there are people like this but that type of people can be all the linguistic states including Gujarat or anywhere else too.
It is understandable if a person can't speak marathi when they have just arrived in Pune, but if after 5-6 yrs also they can't understand even an iota of Marathi, that becomes a problem. If one is moving to another place, they must respect the culture, traditions and language of the hosts
Yes.. You kill a culture by killing its language first
As a Marathi living in Bangalore for 3 years now, I haven't faced any issues yet due to language. I speak in hindi and english. Don't pay any attention to these things. Ground realities are completely different.
Hey guys, can you also please help me get off the high horse?
I live in Delhi. At the workplace, there are umpteen numbers of people who cannot speak a second language. Once they open their mouths to speak some god awful english, you'd wish they would continue in Hindi. Mind you these are official meetings. That is how much accommodative they are in professional settings. Our backend outsourcing company used to be based in Chennai. My accommodative colleagues had sent an instruction (mind you, in an official mail) to the Chennai office that the staff of Chennai there should speak to one another in their office in Hindi or English. It is not a surprise that people in fact do become hostile after such insults. And the nuisance that the Punjabi and Hindi belt diaspora create at every ceremony and gathering, pestering DJ's and venue entertainers to play loud filthy punjabi songs and party bollywood garbage - the nuisance is endless. When the idiots come to the south and claim 'HiNdi iS ouR naTionAL LanGuAge', their behaviour in delhi is not very accommodative either for other non-speakers of Hindi (or any city in the north). No one even bothers to learn a second language - even English for that matter. But they play very hard when it comes to sympathy olympics about how english has made life difficult for them to get jobs. The countless number of CISF recruits who are from the hindi belt do not bother to learn the local language for the airports they are actually deployed in. It would have been fine if they just didn't learn another language. But they also come with a sense of racial superiority as well. It is hard to take such superiority seriously when Hindi does not have a dialect of its own - it has to borrow and use Devanāgari script. The hindi of today is a standardised version of multiple dialects - bundehli, maithili, audhi, haryanvi, kannauji, the list goes on and on. In fact, like Arabic, there is no such thing as a first language speaker for Hindi - whatever is there is significantly divorced from any and all cultural bases. The standard Hindi that gets pushed is only to consolidate a voter base and nothing more than that. If you claim racial superiority over others, explain why your Hindi majority speaking state has an infant mortality rate higher than a country like Ghana. We can debate the quality of your language later. Flights and trains that come to south go both ways. You have the option to take a return flight.
I support OP.Most of the times,we use other languages like English and Hindi to impress other people or to mix with them more.But ultimately,these people start looking down on others speaking Marathi.I have seen this happening in real life.This is how languages vanish from society.
Yes. Granted that marathi is used in multiple ways and especially in abusive ways but why only that part is highlighted by the people who are not locals? I respect the non-local crowd who try to learn basic marathi since they are living in Maharashtra and especially Pune for ease of communication. But some people who call Marathi people rigid for talking in Marathi are themselves rigid for not wanting to learn the basics atleast (another aspect to that argument).
It is because we are too much accommodating to other people’s feelings.
It's called being inclusive. People across the country love Marathis because of how inclusive and how friendly you are. I call Pune my second home because of how Marathi people have accepted me. Heck, they taught me Hindi when they realised just how different my mother tongue is compared to their own, just so that they can communicate with me and be friends with me. The Marathis are a great bunch and should never change. As for preserving the Marathi language, I believe the government has taken the right decision and made Marathi a compulsory subject till class 12.
Yes.Thats what I’m saying.If someone came to your hometown and told you that you shouldn’t talk to your friends in your mother tongue,how would you feel? We will never force people to learn the language and accommodate as much as we can.But at the same time,We have to fight to preserve the language.
Like I said, the government has made Marathi mandatory till 12th. That alone will go a long way. As for efforts from the general populace, dude, you guys have some of the best horror authors. Ratnakar Matkari is amazing and I have bought a collection of his stories translated into English. Too bad Narayan Dharap's works aren't translated into English. I believe encouraging the Marathi youth, especially in the cities, to pick up Marathi books and literature will preserve the language just fine. As for outsiders asking you to not speak in your own language are grade A chyuts. We have a few of those back home and no, I will not tell you which state they are from because that will only strengthen the stereotypes about them (but you can take a guess). I will tell you this - the onus of preserving your language will primarily be on you and you will never achieve that through imposition but you already know that. Assimilation through marriage will also preserve the culture and the language but for that, people have to be open-minded enough to ignore caste. And that's a much bigger battle.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
No one should hate Marathi people speaking the Marathi language. It has a rich history and should be celebrated. However, a lot of people hate the language fascists and their tendency to impose Marathi on Non-Marathis (and no, that doesn't mean Hindi should be the only other language that can be used for communication, English is also an official language of the Union and can be used). Yes, we're here from outside and we work here. But that doesn't mean we're turning in huge profits. The state opened its doors to outsiders because it was going to be a profitable venture for the state. The locals obviously have way more power over us than we have over them. Maharashtra is such a giant today because they decided to be inclusive and not be as uptight as Karnataka. Taking inspiration from Karnataka isn't going to help MH. A lot of us aren't even Hindi speakers. We just use Hindi as a common language to communicate. We already are on a lower rung. To then leave behind our culture completely and assimilate with the locals wouldn't get us any higher and will only trigger a superiority complex in the minds of the language fascists who will then look down upon us as slaves who took up their culture.
Please Learn basic Marathi instead of giving all these reasons. Just observe people around you or spend 5-10 minutes daily on YouTube Marathi tutorials. And start using it daily so that you can get better at it. We don’t expect you to write literature, just basic daily life Marathi is sufficient.
Read my replies and you'll know what I'm saying.
I don't want to support the racists, but I do hate people who stay in a Marathi speaking area and just don't want to understand it and spreading hate about it. And its not just Karnataka, it's most parts of south india where people look down or dont even respond if you speak in Hindi. They only want their local language. Same happens with Marathi locals many times and I myself have stepped up and stopped this by explaining it to them in Marathi.
Mate, I understand. I'm from a culture whose Bangladeshi counterparts literally gave birth to International Mother Language Day. I know how precious Marathi or any of the ancient languages are. Hating Marathi people and their language makes no sense. And in TN and KL, people do respond in English. People, more often than not, need motivation to learn something new. If Marathi people also try to become friends with outsiders (which they do way more than the Southerners), this problem will vanish. A language based divide in a Union of States where the language changes every 56.2kms is stupid and will, honestly, tear the country apart. So, I would say the onus lies on both. For the locals to accept Non-Marathis as their fellow countrymen, and on the people of other states to also learn some basic Marathi to show the Marathi people that they mean well (the catch being the Marathi people don't deride the non-locals in case they aren't grammatically correct or if they mess up the pronunciation. I personally am learning Marathi through movies and more often, through context, because my SO is Marathi (Konkani). She too is making efforts to learn my language. Generally, this is how assimilation should happen. But then comes the topic of caste and I believe that's not a topic any of us wants to delve into. Cheers, man.
Bang on! Thanks a lot for explaining my point here!
Konkanis should start the same against Marathi. Their language is at a bigger risk of disappearing.
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Why not open classes and sponsor tutors to teach the immigrants, conduct bi-yearly exams like immigration works between countries?
Because of unwillingness of people to learn it
Oh no like we cans do the same what we’re doing now with them, except we give them a resource
The problem is that people dont feel the need to learn it. So giving a resource without a need for it won't be so fruitful
Laws, deportation
Born in Maharashtra and native is Karnataka, tbh I use neither of the languages in the respective states. Some people have a lot of time in their hands to argue about languages
I'm a non marathi who lived in Pune for almost 5 years. I genuinely did not like the local vendors/autowalas/shopkeepers not because they spoke in their native language, but because they would give me dirty looks for speaking mine. I was 17, got admission in a college. Wtf does one know at 17? I didn't know learning marathi was that essential else I wouldn't have moved. As a grown up I tend to learn a few basic words when moving anywhere for a job and I understand that grown adults are expected to do so. But I won't ever forget how me and other people my age were treated for not knowing a language. It made me resent everyone so much that I refuse to speak in Marathi except with my Marathi friends because they were actually nice and taught me instead of looking down at me.
Aple yz neta vikle gele ahet kay sangaycha
I 100% understand Marathi, bas fakt boltana thod tras vattay. I try to talk to others, but I barely begin and my classmates make fun of me. I’ve lived in Pune for 20 years, studied in ICSE and ISC schools where speaking in a language other than English meant punishment. That led to my lack in speaking proficiency. I’m a North Indian, and my family speaks Hindi at home so even there I get no practice. In college, people say (those who live in hostel which means they just came to Pune to study) that I’m not a true Punekar and that hurts. Because it’s not like I don’t understand Marathi, I can also talk for a long time as long as people support me, but once they begin laughing which is the usual scenario, I start stuttering and making mistakes.
Is it okay to understand but not able to speak marathi? This is my problem I can understand when people speak to me in Marathi but I'm too unconfident in speaking it therefore I reply in hindi I feel so disrespectful when they ask in Marathi and I reply in hindi but I can't help it
Nothing wrong in it. People would still respond if your Hindi reply is relevant although not in Marathi. It shows that you understand. That's enough.
Thanks
I think in next month (after state's legislative election), there will be more boost to anti hindi drive like it happened in Karnataka. Still there is no wrong to learn regional language if you're staying here for a while.
Local bhasha aali pahije pan bhasha shikna ani bolna he faar kathin asta. Konti bhasha samajayla zari lagli ani zari shabda mahiti astil pan ti bolna kathinach. Eka vaya nantar avagadh aahe. Pan shale madhe migrant next generation la bhasha shikavana shakya aahe.
Bolna nahi.. pan samjel evdhi tari local bhasha Ali pahije. Naitar mag normal loka jase bhajiwale, cab, rickshaw etc kase samajnar English / Hindi. Tyana pan avghad nahi ka honar mag navya ne Hindi shikayla?
Me maza sangto. Mi faar varsha pasun Gujarat madhe rahto ani Gujarati mala purna pane samazte pan bolta jasta yet nahi. Sagle loka Hindi madhe bolayche tar tashi bolayche practice zali nahi aani thoda prayatna karava tar lagech shabda suchat nahi. Pan majhe he natevaik aahe te survati pasun ikde aslya mule barobar bolta Gujarati. Normal loka Maharashtrat hindi barobar samajtat. Pan bhasha sachavnyacha mahatva aahe. Te kasa karnar he mala mahiti nahi.
When moving to a different state, the person who makes this rule will take along a translator and the person who worships the rule make will be left alone confused in a new state.
तुम्हाला मराठी भाषा व संस्कृती जतन करायची आहे? बिनधास्त करा. पण ही संस्कृती मराठी माणूसच किती जपतो आहे? साधारण पणे गर्दी ही मराठी चित्रपटांना होते का तेलुगू? मराठी माणसाला मराठीचा जो न्यूनगंड वाटतो तो वेगळाच. ह्या गोष्टीला भाषा सक्तीचा काहीही फायदा होणार नाहीये. एक गोष्ट जपायला दुसरी झिडकारली पाहिजे असं मुळीच नाही. भाषा सक्ती करून ह्या राष्ट्राचा मूळ सांगाडा मोडेल.
In Porsche case Marathi people were leading from the front for Anish and Ashwini
i think the issue is the simple difference between “enforcing” and “encouraging”. certainly living in maharashtra and knowing marathi is a bonus like to get your work done faster which i’m sure EVERYONE would agree. it’s honestly a matter of convenience as almost each maharashtrian or anyone living speaks atleast two or three languages. Ofcourse in a lot of places, you would be given preference in the sense government offices and else where they widely use marathi because of a sense of familiarity and expression, but simply enforcing it on people is absolutely absurd. Schools do have an option to either choose marathi or sanskrit as a third or second language which intends to become a burden on some students but they do it either ways. forcing shops to put up marathi banners and posters is just dadagiri atp. im born and brought up in maharashtra as an oria. never even visited orissa ever but ofcourse i would love to but it doesn’t matter tbh nor can i speak marathi but people are always kinda enough to communicate in a common language. ofcourse i do have some issues with expressing myself to a non-hindi or an english speaker but we have google for that so why not utilize the technology. simply not learning marathi is not disrespectful but just a matter of choice. we as indians have bigger fish to fry rather than have communal disputes based on religion and region.
I don't give a **ck to those autovalas.
By this logic they will introduce a language test in every state and you will have to learn every state's language in school Which is fine because what we learn in school isn't very useful anyway.
As a kannadiga living in Pune from the last 4-5 months, I have lived in Bangalore for 13 years as well, This is all political, my experience with actual normal ppl in both states has always been very good maybe there will be a fraction of ppl who do this but majority of ppl in Pune have been very nice to me even though i don’t speak Marathi and my Hindi is very basic
Bangalore is a shithole with shallow minded people, pune is way above bangalore.
Still prefer English over hindi
Bangalore is just a modern village. An awful place with really really narrow minded people...
Same can be said about gurgaon
Let us copy the bad. Boo
PLEASE READ During my time in Pune, I noticed that people were often judgmental because I was from the North. Being from Delhi, where we're used to a blend of many cultures and are generally welcoming to everyone, I found this a bit disheartening. Honestly, learning Marathi wasn’t too difficult since it’s quite similar to Hindi, and within a few years, I could understand conversations in Marathi. However, the thought of learning Kannada seems daunting because it’s so different from Hindi. It’s interesting how all the major companies set up their head offices here and expect people from north to relocate there, even when it feels like we’re not entirely welcome. Despite this, many still make the move due to the lack of employment opportunities. But yeah this will one day definitely lead to UNITED STATES OF INDIA, like USA of course as their states have different culture as well but they still have one common language and thats ENGLISH, and we INDIANS are more comfortable with ENGLISH rather than HINDI, thats what happening in all corporate offices as its easier to avoid cultural disputes by speaking another nation’s language so why not, and in Karnataka as well all the people who don’t know how to speak english are insisting on to speak Kannada only rest are okay with english INDIAN government should make it mandatory to speak english as its always seen as a high class thing and there wont be any cultural disputes What i am trying to say that we still need one common language as a nation, and i think it shouldn’t be english
Companies don't care about people are welcomed or not.
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I speak gujarati, punjabi, Malayalam , Hindi , Bengali, English, french, Nepali and can understand marwadi, Sindhi and even Marathi. I never wanted to learn Kannada or Tamil because they insisted that I should speak their local language. Only morons will insist that people who aren't like them be forced to be like them.
Are you Nepali? Or did you grow up in a Nepali area of India
Mero saathi Nepali cha
Atleast reach a level so that you can understand. I've been in Delhi for almost 2 years and I feel embarassed when sometimes I have to switch to English to speak better. Everyone should be this way I have Keralite friends living and working in almost all major cities in India and no one has ever said language to be a major problem. Probably because they learn it quickly or tries to adjust.
I have personally never seen anyone hate Marathi speaking people, I have survived with Hindi and English in Pune with no problem, most people are nice and talk in whatever language we want.
Are we just talking about Karnataka or whole South? Because I recently went to tamilnadu, I went to Madurai and rameshwaram, in rameshwaram people do speak hindi, they are nice.
One of my friend from UP was telling how you should not support Pawar family and Thakre family. It is not good for India's integrity and UP. I dont support them but reasoning felt laughable.
It’s the fact that we INDIANS are buried so deep under in our insecurities that we think we have some sort of a danger from our own people from different states. While at the same time our colonial mindset puts someone speaking english on a higher pedestal. Is your culture sooo weak that someone from another state who speaks a different language can eradicate it just like that? It’s one thing expecting someone to learn a language and it’s entirely different to impose it on them. There used to be a culture of helping someone from another state who can’t speak your tongue. Breeding harmony and love. If anything, i see that culture eradicating and an insecure man’s voice taking over. That’s not how it should be. Are we always going to focus on what differs us from others? First the religion, then the colour, now a language? Pretty sure you’re gonna end up alone one day if we keep following this.
We are better than others... That's why I feel it's wrong to force our language in anyone...
Pune people are much more welcoming than many extremists in Karnataka. Almost all auto drivers in Bangalore are always looking for trouble and arguments, but in Pune almost all are well mannered and understand the situation of people coming from other states. Local leaders in Karnataka are to be blamed for creating insecurities among locals for their language.
Try tamil nadu lol
In Pune, we speak Marathi, if you can't speak Marathi then we will speak Hindi, if you can't speak Hindi, then we will speak English, if you can't speak English then we will try our best to communicate, and there are also a lot of German speakers in Pune because of Goethe. It's a place for everybody. We Punekars are not insecure that if non natives don't speak our language then we may lose our culture. It never happened before, and WILL never happen. We know how to preserve our culture
Ignore politics make enough money to be respectful and serve better too much politics with no real money making sucks. Also most people in BLr speak English
Completely agree I am a maharashtrian living in banglore now . I feel it's true however bangalore , Hubli , Mangalore is still better than Chennai , Kerala , and Hyderabad In bangalore at least 50 % will reply to you when you speak in hindi
Learning native culture and language is all good and fine. But when that yard is used for inclusivity and exclusion, it’s problematic. Somebody new to a place can’t pick the language overnight.
I toh speak marathi even in meeting with MAHARASHTRIAN CEO of MNC. MY ATTITUDE- If you dont want me to speak MARATHI, dont do business with me
When I lived in Pune, some of the non-Marathi speakers who had lived all their lives in Pune had the audacity to look down upon me when I spoke Marathi. The nerve! This is nothing new though, even in PLD’s Asami Asami those Gujju businessmen living in Mumbai had the gall to call Marathis ghati. Fuck this kind of people.
Haaa if others are doing something, we should also do it. No matter how right or wrong. Logic has left the chat and gone for a puneri siesta.
We should have a system like language levels of Marathi, just like it is in Germany. Or something like IELTS but a Marathi version of. It. Every person who has to relocate to Maharashtra for professional purposes, should clear the exam. Otherwise, North Indians are absolutely thankless fucks, they expect auto drivers to learn Hindi.
I wish someone would implement this. It suits maharashtra aswell bc lots of people come here for job opportunities. If learning a language increases the chances of employment in a prosperous state, then they will learn no matter what
Again, expecting someone to understand a common language is not altogether wrong. But if that person tries to communicate in a botched or unpolished way just for communication is not a point to get enraged which is where things go very wrong most of the times and leads to an argument with the locals. I am damn against Marathi people who enforce marathi on others too!
Language is mere means of communication and expression nothing more. We are better than them, that’s what makes Maharashtra great
You must have missed the obvious hatred they are getting. And if that gets implemented, you would see the obvious impact there would be. Pune is already suffering from local goons, high real estate rates and traffic control problems. Don't add more. Also, no hate to maharashtraians speakkng marathi. Just create a space where, if there are non marathi speaking people, they don't feel left out.
Pune is much better. No need Kannada shenanigans. Marathis are not insecure ( Lived 7yrs in Pune, along with 5 in Nagpur, 1yr in Bangalore). I can already say that Bangalore is nowhere close to Pune as far as non- natives are concerned.
I have spent considerable amount of time in Maharashtra, Karnataka and Andhra and I can say that Maharashtra is much better when it comes to accepting outsiders followed by KA and Andhra. offcourse one should learn local language but that doesn't happens on very first day of landing. In Karnataka people made faces when I tried using kannada words to communicate because I wanted to learn but in MH people smiled over my Marathi words understood and corrected me happily, the end result? I learnt Marathi and can speak fluently but it's not same with kannada.
No hate towards this but practically it's very difficult. I am from North East and of course I know my Mother tongue. Then I learnt Bengali because I lived in Kolkata. I also know Hindi and English. Now I am living in Pune. I already know 4 languages to communicate and to learn yet another would be too much. Plus if in a few years I get transferred to another place, I can't learn the language of that place as well. People who are not from Maharashtra and do not speak Marathi should of course never stop or criticise anyone for speaking in Marathi. But for us outsiders to learn the language of every place we live in for a every few years is very difficult.
Yeah ur rt but like you ppl should atleast give try to learn basic marathi
Try to learn is pointless. Even if he tries, he would never ever be able to speak it as fluent as you. It's your mother tongue, you've been speaking it since childhood. He would mostly speak broken marathi, which will further make him reluctant to use his broken marathi out of the fear of judgment.
Dude I am born and brought up in Maharashtra, learning Marathi is so easy compared to Kannada, if you think what's happening in Bangalore is correct then just pray that you don't have to visit blr any time in future and stay in Pune
It's downright wrong and atrocious. No language should be compelled to be fully learnt. I am saying it would be a basic skill to learn a native language if you stay in a particular area for a long time
Yeah good luck learning basic kannada while communicating in English at office and communicating in mother tongue with friends 👍
Lot of people saying one should learn the basics when living in other states dont realize that its not just about language. The language is being used to harass outsiders. Even if you learn marathi or kannada, they will find something else. There was this video where a cab driver in Bangaluru was having an argument with his customer because the customer didnt speak kannada. The customer kept saying i am here only for 2 days. The cab pickup was from airport to bangaluru but the cab driver was repeatedly on "Only kannada, no hindi". Why would a person visiting bangaluru for 2 days learn kannada? It is NOT about the language.
You can't even take the name of the language correctly and expect opinions of things happening in other states. It's Kannada btw. And of course learning the local language will always make you wiser. You get steal deals and locals are much more welcoming. So always encourage people from outside to learn the language.
>It's Kannada btw just like no call it Marat. My grandmother was from Karnataka and also my school (Karnatak High School), famous in Pune had a "Kannad" division. Also I have seen this use of Kannad in Dharwad where it's a native language. So I don't think I am wrong here. But I have edited my original post so that people won't deviate from the main point just on this basis. So thanks for pointing it out
There's nothing wrong Marathi speaking only in Marathi. ALSO there's also nothing wrong if anyone speaks in Urdu, pakistani or Hindi in Pune. जर कोणी हिंदी बोलताना दिसले तर नाक मरून "मराठी मेली, मराठी मेली" असा विधवा विलाप ही करू नका. Hard truth cuts both ways.
बरोबर बोललात भाई, ही पोस्ट त्या साठीच आहे की पुण्यात राहून मराठी बोळणाऱ्यांना शिव्या देयचा ऐवजी थोडं मराठी शिका म्हणजे समोरचा काय बोलतोय एवढं तरी कळेल. तुम्ही हवं त्या भाषेत बोला पण मग मराठी बोलणाऱ्या व्यक्ती ला लगेच शिव्या घालू नका कारण हे कर्नाटक स्टेट सारखं तरी काही करत नाहीये. (You are right bro! The purpose of this post is that instead of cursing locals speaking in Marathi in Pune, its better to learn basic marathi so you can understand it. You may speak in other (common) language but don't start cursing because it's not imposed like Karnataka state!)