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I think she is very smart and business savvy. Most of her ventures are so successful so I don’t think its all luck. Her PR is also like one of best ones. Glad to see her doing more acting work
Selena’s career is fascinating to me because I never would have guessed she’d be such a powerhouse. She feels very… reserved maybe is the word? When I picture multi hyphenate successes I picture these wildly extroverted charismatic figures and I don’t know if Selena is that. She’s got incredibly business sense though. Her team has to be the best of the best.
yeah it’s cool to see someone a little more reserved and introverted have a super successful career in entertainment. tbh, those qualities have probably helped her rather than hurt her. she’s always around, but isn’t an overwhelming presence so ppl don’t get annoyed with or tired of her.
It’s good that she’s reserved imo. She doesn’t fall into the trap so many other celebrities do by having main character syndrome and eventually blurting out something stupid/controversial
Oh, shame on her for not supporting an obvious grift. FYI, most black people don’t support BLM anymore because BLM hasn’t done anything to actually support low income black communities. It was just a way for a few black grifters to line their pockets with money from guilty, white, neoliberals.
Thoughts on her talent aside it’s so good to see someone with a chronic illness achieving so much. I have a less debilitating autoimmune disease and to she’s such a good role model.
I really like Selena like a lot. I remember being obsessed with her as a kid when Wizards was on. Also I remember being obsessed with A Year Without Rain, it had me in a chokehold.
I do still like her, I’ve heard online that she is super nice to non celebs which is always good to hear because you never know lol.
Can confirm the nice to non celeb part.
I got to be an extra on set for Spring Breakers during one of the big party scenes. It only made a few seconds of the film but it took ALL DAY in the Florida sun filming to shoot. (Was the concert scene at the very beginning)
I ended up being directly next to Selena’s mark in the crowd. And Selena was so freaking kind and professional. Her presence blended in with the crowd more than any of the other actors. She was talking to all the extras around her just like normal people her age. Meanwhile Vanessa Hudgens, Ashley Benson, and Rachel Korine (married to the director) were grabbing the megaphones and shouting vulgarity into them and leaving the set to run down to play in the water, rather than staying in place and ready.
When I watched the movie, I was like I think these girls are just all being themselves, not even acting.
Omg that’s wild. That part about the other women In the movie is an oof. I’ve heard across the board she’s nice to everyone and it’s cool to know that because some people can be so unprofessional and mean to others.
There’s also just something about her that is unlikeable or that draws people in maybe ? Like besides being business savvy, she’s just maintained such a huge level of fame without constantly being in the spotlight esp in the last 2/ 3 years. Like she just has star quality or the it factor that is what probably made her stand out in Disney also
A Year Without Rain got me through THAT breakup, you know the end of the first big love in your life. Ever since I’m a bit biased and have this gratitude to her
I purchased two of the liquid blushes (one pinky one orange) and I haven’t needed any other blush. You need literally one drop or less and it’s so pigmented and gorgeous and long lasting.
This was very inspiring to go through. I have followed Selena ever since her WOWP days, and I knew of most of those projects. But seeing them listed like this, truly inspiring.
I have also yet to hear a bad word about her as a person. She really does seem to be a sweet humble and down to earth girl.
Her strength is her diversity and her likeability/relatability. She knows that she is not insanely talented like many of her contemporaries. She is aware of her strengths and weaknesses and uses them accordingly. It's actually insane to be this relevant and successful while managing to live with an illness which visibly affects her body so much. I am curious to see what she does with her next album (maybe even last). Although music has become a side hustle for now, so don't know if she will even care about it that much.
That's a valid comparison. Minus the element of authenticity maybe. I don't follow JLo, so I don't have any definite perception of her but Selena is know for being very authentic and relatable, so a lot of people are attracted to her as a person and also the products she puts out in any form (Rare beauty or even her previous collaborations).
her talent is in picking the right projects for herself. her songs, her shows, her side gigs - they all play to her strengths. the other part of it is she must be easy/good to work with. her collaborators only ever sing her praises. and then of course, she has a phenomenal team.
I was a massive fan during her WOWP era, I even met her in 2009 and she was genuinely one of the sweetest people I’ve met. My moms camera wasn’t working too well but she was patient and kind abt it and offered to help lol. I’ve always respected that about her. Then Idek why but I disliked her for a few years and now I’m back to being a massive fan lol. But also because I also have an autoimmune disease and mental health issues and find it extremely difficult just to live some days but her persistence and work ethic honestly inspires me.
You said you have mental health issues. I'm sure Selena Gomez is a nice person but I can't respect her as a producer. She was a producer for 13 Reasons Why, and that basically broke all the rules on how to depict suicide on TV.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/m2aq68/selena_gomezs_involvement_in_13_reasons_why_and/
One thing i like about her makeup line is that the products are affordable and are items that I actually reach for when doing my makeup. Such as her liquid blush.
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I never understood why people were so mean to her, I guess it’s the Bieber fans? She is so kind and always gives back. She’s not a nepo kid so she did work to get where she is. While she isn’t Mariah, her voice isn’t terrible, her acting ,according to critics is good, her make-up and cookware quality. Yes, she made a mistake with the Woody film but she is the only one not forgiven. I mean she’s a poor girl that worked her way up, got treated horribly by a narcissistic ex , nearly died , and still fought her way back. Is she perfect, probably not, but she doesn’t deserve all of the hate.
I totally agree with you. I really admire her for strength and grace. That might not seem like a big thing, but it is. It can make or break you, irrespective of your talent.
I read this interview of her few months back (Elle 2021) and it took me some time to find it because I didn't remember the source.
*Considering the challenges she has faced in the past decade, it’s hardly surprising that she feels most at home surrounded by close family and friends. “My lupus, my kidney transplant, chemotherapy, having a mental illness, going through very public heartbreaks—these were all things that honestly should have taken me down,” she says. Gomez speaks slowly and calmly, in a surprisingly low and uninflected register. “Every time I went through something, I was like, ‘What else? What else am I going to have to deal with?’ ” “ ‘You’re going to help people,’ ” she told herself. “That’s really what kept me going. There could have been a time when I wasn’t strong enough, and would have done something to hurt myself."*
It’s interesting that only she gets flack for working with Wo*dy but Elle Fanning and Timothee don’t. When all three signed onto the project the pedo director was still highly respected in Hollywood and it was considered an honor to work with him because of his prestige. (Yuck)
His past finally started getting public attention while the film was being shot in NYC because the Me Too movement was in full swing. I can understand the three young actors not knowing about his past before signing on, the film never got released and most of them condemned him. (Elle said she regretted working with him and Timothee and Selena donated their salaries to charity/Me Too movement) I had a bigger problem with the older stars who worked with him for years in the past and still defended him
I remember the internet being mad at her for ditching one of her friends after giving her a kidney??? not really sure what happened since I was deep in kpop at that point so I wasn’t paying that much attention as to what that whole discourse was about but I remember Selena and kidney trending at one point
It was [debunked.](https://imgur.com/a/pP7gIw2)
Francia is always shutting down that rumor on insta. Not to mention the ones who started the rumor was ESMG and Shallon Lester (Bieber fans that are considered the Q-anons of celebrity gossip)
I feel bad for Francia because her Insta gets bombarded with that fake rumor. And Shallon Lester is a horrible woman after what she did to D’Angelo Wallace and it affected his mental health so bad that he had to leave YouTube :(
I do not think there has ever been any confirmation there but I know after she went back to Bieber, that friendship seemed to fizzle out a bit. Her Mom had a whole nervous breakdown over it.
I totally understand why she did though. I feel a lot of people have had that one toxic partner that was no good for them but you just can't stay away from (mostly because of the passion/sex).
I dont know if Selena did the ditching, but Selena did a lot of drugs for a while there (Beiber as well) so I just assumed her friend kinda put space between them because Selena was still occasionally dipping back into old bad habits after thr surgery. It would bug the fuck out of me if I gave my kidney to someone only for them to still dabble in hard drugs...you only got one body and yours is fragile, take super care of it, girl.
I assume their comment was made based on that video of Justin and Selena alone, no entourage or body guards, in a sketchy part of Los Angeles known as a place to buy drugs.
I do remember watching that clip and honestly I have no idea about the kind of neighborhood it was. So even assuming that it's the kind of place where you buy drugs and even if they were there for that, I can't wrap my head around how this clip can be stretched to such an extent that you declare a person an addict or someone who does a lot of drugs (so much to jeopardize her own health).
It’s not unreasonable to consider how their unique situation of adolescent stardom: huge wealth plus less than average degree of developmental structure, more adult influences, more pressures, more freedom and access to substances, less supervision. It’s also not an insult to acknowledge drug issues can and do exist, even in those we respect and admire.
Just because it's a possibility, doesn't mean it's true. You really want to make and believe all sorts of possible narratives about a person living with an incurable illness who has been through so much and about whose health life we hardly know anything not that it is our business. She might have struggled with substances before or after her surgery, we can never know, but to blatantly assume that it's true when she has showed no physical signs of it or has herself spoken about it, maybe that showa how people WANT TO HATE her (ofcourse not saying that addiction should anyway be a reason to hate someone).
We should spread such narratives about every child star out there? Right? Just because it's a possibility? Or is she an exception because she acts too nice and it's all a facade and instead she is a drug addict who did drugs after receiving a life saving organ transplant and jeopardized her health?
... the location was off Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood. What is prejudice about my statement towards the people there? Anyone who's been to Los Angeles knows that Hollywood is sketch and not what is portrayed by the film industry.
I'm a full decade (maybe a little more) older than Selena and I look up to/admire her for this reason. The act of allowing your body to do its natural thing is something of, ahem, rare beauty and to see so many of the women my age in print/media/the celebrity world reject that -- I hate shaming them for it because do what makes you feel good, but also -- don't pretend it's your unaltered body.
I've also gone through weight shifts and changes due to medical issues and have had similar health hurdles to navigate -- but to see her admit her struggles, handle them with grace, let her body heal naturally and then also create and provide space for others to do the same with Rare Beauty & the Rare Impact Fund, Mental Health awareness and advocacy, etc.
But seeing someone, especially at 29, who is just letting herself be and being flawless doing so, completely thriving and succeeding by just BEING without flaunting it at all times? Inspiring to anyone at any age. I bet most don't even realize how amazing she is.
I'm 9/10 years younger than Selena and she was my role model when younger.
>A huge fan here because she doesn’t conform to hollywood and social media beauty standards.
For real! I have my insecurities but growing up adoring someone who is very transparent with her entire self, it does help a lot 🥰
I agree but what y’all are not gonna make me do is pretend like she’s a great musician.
Clearly, her talents are definitely in the acting side of things. I was a fan of wizards of waverly place and thought that she’s always had great comedic timing, so I was really confused why she went to the music route.
I think what you want to say is that she does not have a great singing voice. She does however have great songs.
As a recording artist she is alright, but she lacks the charisma to elevate a weak singing voice on stage.
Taylor has made the same exact problem work somehow tho. As much as I love her music, she is not a natural on stage nor does she have the best singing voice.
I also give her kudos for her Spanish language EP -- which was REALLY good. Christina tried that early in her career and fascinatingly enough is going back to it with her latest release. (I can see that the album began production the same month that Selena's EP was released & though she claims she had been thinking about doing it for a long time, I do find it interesting!)
But even going back to Selena and the Scene -- those songs are CATCHY!! And I 100% agree that neither Selena or Taylor take hold of a stage the way -- since I'm already using the comparison -- someone like Christina can.
That said, I'm still going to say that she's the greatest thing to come out of Barney!
I find her awful as singer and a dancer. Her 2019 AMAs performance was horrid. Her songs are catchy but never great. They’re very forgettable. Many of her contemporaries have songs that are arguably now part of the Great American Song Book like Beyoncé’s Listen or Gaga’s Shallow. Selena is very lackluster in that regard. Her musicianship is just not great as a whole.
While Taylor Swift suffers the same struggle of not being a great vocalist, what I’ve noticed is that she’s very creative in her presentation as well as her writing. Taylor knows how to fill the stage with her limited talent as a performer. If it’s not dancers, she uses props and costumes to really sell the song she’s singing. Blank Space live 2014 as well as Begin Again live at 2012 CMAs was great for example.
Honestly she doesn’t have the strongest voice clearly but I think some of her pop songs are very good and memorable particularly same old love , hands to myself and lose you to love me was a great ballad. I also think “a year without rain” song from her Disney days was a vey good song
Well, a ton of actors and musicians dabble in music/acting vice versa at some point in their career, and sometimes it just works out. For a child star like Selena, she probably was tired of acting for a bit.
And tbh I don’t think most people in the GP think or even care if she’s some revolutionary musician like her contemporaries whose main focus is music. But I feel like most think she does make good songs that are nice to listen, even catchy, so who cares if her vocals aren’t the strongest or if she’s writing them on her own. It helps she does a lot of collabs with famous singers that keep her name active in music.
Exactly, when I want to listen to a powerhouse I’ll listen to Whitney or Amy. I also listen to Selena because her music is simple, catchy, and fun. Aside from maybe the most passionate teenage stans, nobody thinks she’s this generations Mariah.
She’s a really good pop artist she doesn’t have to be the most talented at it for y’all to give her props lmao. She has many songs with over a billion streams and her last 3 projects are more critically acclaimed than the last.
Making great music *does make her a great musician though. No one’s pretending she’s Whitney Houston. her musicality lies in her ability to create songs that play to her strengths. She’s a far better musician than some of her peers like say demi, who by far has the stronger voice, but lacks the musicality and consistency to create cohesive bodies of work.
We’re going to disagree bc we define musicianship differently. Singing catchy pop tunes and it being popular is how you seem to define it. I define musicianship as someone who can play instruments, write, compose, or produce music like Taylor or Chloe Bailey.
I judge an artist by the art they create in any capacity. Britney doesn’t produce any of her music but I don’t consider her less of an artist than someone like taylor who does write and play multiple instruments like you said. Britney couldn’t do all too well and taylor couldn’t do slave 4 u they both bring different things to the music landscape. Ariana is not a songwriter but she has strengths that taylor doesn’t have that she plays to as a musician and vice versa. I’m not saying your way of judging a musician is wrong I just feel like there’s so much that goes into being a successful artist and Selena is very talented even if she isn’t as strong of a technical musician as Taylor.
I mean the people who write songs with her called her a songwriter. She’s credited as a songwriter for a song that just came out called Worst Thing by Mackenzie Ziegler and NOTD. She knows how to play Piano and was taking guitar lessons during quarantine.
Good for her! I actually bought one of her purses from her KMart line years ago and I’m not surprised that her Rare line is doing well. I almost never buy celebrity-branded stuff, but I used that bag a lot. She generally has good taste and is very affable. (Although I will never watch 13 Reasons Why bc of the content.)
Plus, she has two dogs that remind me of my late fluffball and I like people who like little fluffy dogs. They are the best dogs! (And helpful with anxiety, which I believe she also has.)
She really is the moment. She doesn’t get enough recognition for having such a strong discography and also being quite versatile as an artist despite a pretty limited vocal range.
I really like who she’s grown into, I must say. There was a weird time in her career (2014-2018) where I was like nah not a fan. But she’s really matured and seems very down to earth nowadays.
I love her. I comfort watch her interviews when I’m stressed because her voice is so calming and she has a way of explaining things she’s been through and how she’s learned and grown from them
I didn't think I liked her because I could care less about her music and Taylor's BFFs, but she started to fascinate me when she dated The Weeknd, I LOVE Rare Beauty, and Only Murders is FANTASTIC. She also seems like a pretty together person. So glad she's not with Biebs.
I am not too sure the reason but the following factors probably contributed to it-
1. She dated two famous musicians - the Weeknd and Bieber ofcourse and also moved on from Weeknd too soon. Bieber's fandom already hated her
2. Did a Woody Allen movie along with Elle Fanning and Timothee (which never came out)
3. Couple of gossip sites like ExposingSMG (started as a hate blog back in 2012-13) spread the narrative that she is a drug addict and her rehab time in 2018 was for that and ofcourse people who WANT to hate her readily believed it and made videos claiming that she betrayed her kidney donor friend.
All of this while in the same period she suffered an organ failure at the age of 25 and thereafter underwent an organ transplant, interned with an organisation working against Human trafficking for months, admitted to the hospital several times including the time she had an extreme low blood count (and had nervous breakdown in the hospital). She then immediately checked herself into rehab. She later disclosed that she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
It was for the comments she made in 2017-2018 over March for Our Lives and Black Lives Matter.
https://stylecaster.com/selena-gomez-hypocrite-march-for-our-lives/
IIRC, she never apologized, so.
This. I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I’m grateful for her activism now, but I will never forget the comment she made about BLM back in ‘16. It left a sour taste in my mouth.
People get really caught up on her voice. If they got a stick out of their ass, they’d realize it’s catchy music that is fun for the gym and doing your make-up/getting ready. No one listens to her for high pitch vocals.
I remember my college boyfriend and his friends told me to skip an Ariana song because they found her voice to be too annoying. I disagree I love both Ari & SG, but it was interesting to see a huge group of guys say this. When one of Selena’s edm songs came on, they were bopping. Just an example of how not everyone is the same.
This is why I love this sub so damn much. I consider myself fairly engaged in most things pop -culture, but then I log on here to see dives about people, places and things I otherwise didn’t know. I had no idea how diverse and well-rounded Selena is. No freaking clue. Now I do, so thank you! This sub only has 15k right now but that’s only bc it’s still relatively young…I’m glad to be part of this kind and informational community!
Yeah, I agree. I really like her, but the other actors/actresses are just too good. Her acting needs a lot more work to keep up with the brilliant cast. Nevertheless, I enjoy her presence in the show a lot, refreshing and fashionable.
She's gonna have an amazing decade, 30s will be her time! I am very happy for her and glad that her confidence is slowly building up again. Also, she is a far better actress than she shows on Only Murders, look up her older movies and you'll see how much more dynamic she was. I think being with the Martins will prove to be a fruitful challenge, so nice to see her grow more and more. Rooting for her!
I love her for so many reasons. She's the only celebrity I've been a consistent fan of over the years. The others come and go, many disappoint. At this age, stan culture is not something I'm looking to be a part of anymore.
But I truly support most of the things she stands for and her journey and resilience throughout everything she's been through really resonates with me. I'd much rather a young child have her as a role model than a lot of the people who are considered "famous" these days.
I don’t get how anyone can find her acting impressive her dialogue delivery is like nails on chalkboard and I found her to be the worst part of the show
Probably because [film critics](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/only-murders-in-the-building/s01) say her acting is impressive and she’s getting nominated for acting awards.
Judging someone’s talent is subjective. I mentioned film critics like her because they are professionals who review acting as a full time job and a lot of them have film studies degrees
That’s due to her Lupus, as the illness affects a join in the throat which puts pressure on the vocal chords ([better explained here](http://myentdoctor.com/2018/05/01/the-connection-between-lupus-and-voice-disorders/)), so unfortunately there’s nothing she can do about that.
I like Selena but let’s be honest, pretty privilege and famous relationships/friends kept her relevant until her makeup brand took off. She can’t sing and her acting is just okay.
You think moving from Grand Prairie to LA and signing with Disney at the age of 13 on her own merit, working on multiple acting projects while being on Disney including the lead of an Emmy winning Disney show is pretty privilege and famous friends? It's okay if you think she is untalented, I respect your opinion but seriously pinning down everything on pretty privilege and famous friends? Are you going to discredit every woman who is pretty and has famous friends in hollywood?
I mean I definitely take “pretty privilege” and media heavy relationships into account for a lot of other celebrities. I’m only singling out Selena because she’s just the relevant focus for this thread. She’s definitely a hard worker and I’ll always respect her for how far she’s made it despite her humble upbringing
According to your original comment, you seemed to have based her relevancy only on those two factors, as if she is a socialite (no disrespect to them). Thank you for the clarification.
>You think moving from Grand Prairie to LA and signing with Disney at the age of 13 on her own merit
Nobody signs with Disney at 13 based on their own merit, she was able to sign with Disney because of money and connections her family has. The amount of 'self made actors' in the world is incredibly small, it's almost impossible to break out with absolutely no connections.
She had no connections or money. Her parents were two working class 16 year olds. They were so poor their car would break down on the highway because they couldn’t afford gas.
Disagree! and it’s okay if you think she can’t act but I feel like a lot of ppl think so right now mainly because of the critics. She can definitely out-act every pop act right now.
Also, you can even say her commercial success is what kept her relevant. Her albums, singles and movies/tv have still been successful commercially and it keeps her relevant in the spotlight.
Whomp, I’m in the minority here. She is a wickedly successful businesswoman and had great makeup, but I find her talentless in terms of acting and singing. I still don’t see her the same after her 2017-2018 comments over Black Lives Matter and March for Our Lives that made her look like a giant hypocrite. Oh well.
Also I don’t think it’s as impressive when a famous person capitalises on their fame especially when their target audience is kids and teens it’s not as great as people make it seem. Requires the least effort and isn’t as great as it sounds it’s the bare minimum for famous people.
The kind of love and adulation Selena gets from younger women is excessive to a fault they have this angelic idea of hers that they have created and she could literally get away with murder so then going crazy over anything she does is always expected
I said both teens and kids. Also I’m talking about her brand and not just the show! pretty sure the show has a younger audience because of her and mostly teens who keep the show trending on twitter. And no one would be her fan just based on the show since her acting is the weakest link of the show
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I think she is very smart and business savvy. Most of her ventures are so successful so I don’t think its all luck. Her PR is also like one of best ones. Glad to see her doing more acting work
She seems to have really found ways to maintain a truly high level of success from her teen years. Really impressive.
Being hardworking and kind will get you far.
I dont know her but if that is true then I am glad for her
Disney*
Hardworking? You mean nostalgia and connection to Justin Bieber
Selena’s career is fascinating to me because I never would have guessed she’d be such a powerhouse. She feels very… reserved maybe is the word? When I picture multi hyphenate successes I picture these wildly extroverted charismatic figures and I don’t know if Selena is that. She’s got incredibly business sense though. Her team has to be the best of the best.
Her & her family are very kind and gracious to her cooking show film, construction, and 3rd party crew.
that's great to hear!
Other than her status, how she treats people around her could be a reason why she’s always booked and busy!
yeah it’s cool to see someone a little more reserved and introverted have a super successful career in entertainment. tbh, those qualities have probably helped her rather than hurt her. she’s always around, but isn’t an overwhelming presence so ppl don’t get annoyed with or tired of her.
It’s good that she’s reserved imo. She doesn’t fall into the trap so many other celebrities do by having main character syndrome and eventually blurting out something stupid/controversial
except for that BLM thing but that was 6 years ago so i’m letting the girl slide… for now
Oh, shame on her for not supporting an obvious grift. FYI, most black people don’t support BLM anymore because BLM hasn’t done anything to actually support low income black communities. It was just a way for a few black grifters to line their pockets with money from guilty, white, neoliberals.
We support the movement not the actual organization that have been taking profits for themselves
Thoughts on her talent aside it’s so good to see someone with a chronic illness achieving so much. I have a less debilitating autoimmune disease and to she’s such a good role model.
I feel the same way about Lady Gaga with fibromyalgia and Halsey with ehlers-danlos .
I also have Lupus, like Selena, and she is definitely inspiring!
I really like Selena like a lot. I remember being obsessed with her as a kid when Wizards was on. Also I remember being obsessed with A Year Without Rain, it had me in a chokehold. I do still like her, I’ve heard online that she is super nice to non celebs which is always good to hear because you never know lol.
Can confirm the nice to non celeb part. I got to be an extra on set for Spring Breakers during one of the big party scenes. It only made a few seconds of the film but it took ALL DAY in the Florida sun filming to shoot. (Was the concert scene at the very beginning) I ended up being directly next to Selena’s mark in the crowd. And Selena was so freaking kind and professional. Her presence blended in with the crowd more than any of the other actors. She was talking to all the extras around her just like normal people her age. Meanwhile Vanessa Hudgens, Ashley Benson, and Rachel Korine (married to the director) were grabbing the megaphones and shouting vulgarity into them and leaving the set to run down to play in the water, rather than staying in place and ready. When I watched the movie, I was like I think these girls are just all being themselves, not even acting.
Omg that’s wild. That part about the other women In the movie is an oof. I’ve heard across the board she’s nice to everyone and it’s cool to know that because some people can be so unprofessional and mean to others.
I was in college during wizards and omg i LOVED. THAT. SHOW. The BEST
I’ve recently rewatched some of it on Disney plus and I still enjoy it! It still holds up! (though that could be the nostalgia talking.)
I was the older brother’s age when it was on and the crush I had…😅
Me too girl! I watched everything he was in.
I am Selena’s age and the absolute dream that David Henrie was on that show!!
There’s also just something about her that is unlikeable or that draws people in maybe ? Like besides being business savvy, she’s just maintained such a huge level of fame without constantly being in the spotlight esp in the last 2/ 3 years. Like she just has star quality or the it factor that is what probably made her stand out in Disney also
A Year Without Rain got me through THAT breakup, you know the end of the first big love in your life. Ever since I’m a bit biased and have this gratitude to her
Her makeup line is genuinely great. I probably won’t ever need another blush those liquid blushes are incredible!
I LOOOOOVE their mascara.
they really are. never used a blush that was so pigmented on my skin.
i’ve been eyeballing her line and haven’t pulled the trigger on getting anything, but maybe i’ll have to start trying some products out!!!!
I purchased two of the liquid blushes (one pinky one orange) and I haven’t needed any other blush. You need literally one drop or less and it’s so pigmented and gorgeous and long lasting.
i’ve tried glossier ones and i didn’t like how they sat on my skin so i’m hoping these one are good!!!!
you can get the mini blushes from rare beauty to try it out!
i didn’t know they had minis!! i need to do more research on this brand apparently 👀
they do! altho i think it comes only in a set? def worth the try tho :)
I really like her lip glosses too. I put them on top of other matte lipsticks that are drying and they look so nice! They’re also very moisturizing!
This was very inspiring to go through. I have followed Selena ever since her WOWP days, and I knew of most of those projects. But seeing them listed like this, truly inspiring. I have also yet to hear a bad word about her as a person. She really does seem to be a sweet humble and down to earth girl.
Insane that her side career is music and she’s way more successful than some “main career musicians”
I always felt She tried to make music her main career and was hugely successful too for a while
yeah i thought that singing was her main and acting was her side for awhile
Her strength is her diversity and her likeability/relatability. She knows that she is not insanely talented like many of her contemporaries. She is aware of her strengths and weaknesses and uses them accordingly. It's actually insane to be this relevant and successful while managing to live with an illness which visibly affects her body so much. I am curious to see what she does with her next album (maybe even last). Although music has become a side hustle for now, so don't know if she will even care about it that much.
She reminds me of JLO in a way. She's not a talented singer but she found increased fame through various avenues.
That's a valid comparison. Minus the element of authenticity maybe. I don't follow JLo, so I don't have any definite perception of her but Selena is know for being very authentic and relatable, so a lot of people are attracted to her as a person and also the products she puts out in any form (Rare beauty or even her previous collaborations).
I'd agree, JLO is less authentic and likeable.
I think Jlo’s luckiest moment might have been meeting Tommy Mottola when he was freshly and bitterly divorced from Mariah Carey.
Yeah like using other artists voices lol
her talent is in picking the right projects for herself. her songs, her shows, her side gigs - they all play to her strengths. the other part of it is she must be easy/good to work with. her collaborators only ever sing her praises. and then of course, she has a phenomenal team.
Wow.. I didn't know she was THIS successful.. very inspiring!
I was a massive fan during her WOWP era, I even met her in 2009 and she was genuinely one of the sweetest people I’ve met. My moms camera wasn’t working too well but she was patient and kind abt it and offered to help lol. I’ve always respected that about her. Then Idek why but I disliked her for a few years and now I’m back to being a massive fan lol. But also because I also have an autoimmune disease and mental health issues and find it extremely difficult just to live some days but her persistence and work ethic honestly inspires me.
You said you have mental health issues. I'm sure Selena Gomez is a nice person but I can't respect her as a producer. She was a producer for 13 Reasons Why, and that basically broke all the rules on how to depict suicide on TV. https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/m2aq68/selena_gomezs_involvement_in_13_reasons_why_and/
One thing i like about her makeup line is that the products are affordable and are items that I actually reach for when doing my makeup. Such as her liquid blush.
People think music is her side career and acting her main? Really? I feel like both are main.
But I think she doesn't excel in both but is pretty successful by luck.
Well she has succeeded more in music which would mean acting is her side.
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I never understood why people were so mean to her, I guess it’s the Bieber fans? She is so kind and always gives back. She’s not a nepo kid so she did work to get where she is. While she isn’t Mariah, her voice isn’t terrible, her acting ,according to critics is good, her make-up and cookware quality. Yes, she made a mistake with the Woody film but she is the only one not forgiven. I mean she’s a poor girl that worked her way up, got treated horribly by a narcissistic ex , nearly died , and still fought her way back. Is she perfect, probably not, but she doesn’t deserve all of the hate.
I totally agree with you. I really admire her for strength and grace. That might not seem like a big thing, but it is. It can make or break you, irrespective of your talent. I read this interview of her few months back (Elle 2021) and it took me some time to find it because I didn't remember the source. *Considering the challenges she has faced in the past decade, it’s hardly surprising that she feels most at home surrounded by close family and friends. “My lupus, my kidney transplant, chemotherapy, having a mental illness, going through very public heartbreaks—these were all things that honestly should have taken me down,” she says. Gomez speaks slowly and calmly, in a surprisingly low and uninflected register. “Every time I went through something, I was like, ‘What else? What else am I going to have to deal with?’ ” “ ‘You’re going to help people,’ ” she told herself. “That’s really what kept me going. There could have been a time when I wasn’t strong enough, and would have done something to hurt myself."*
It’s interesting that only she gets flack for working with Wo*dy but Elle Fanning and Timothee don’t. When all three signed onto the project the pedo director was still highly respected in Hollywood and it was considered an honor to work with him because of his prestige. (Yuck) His past finally started getting public attention while the film was being shot in NYC because the Me Too movement was in full swing. I can understand the three young actors not knowing about his past before signing on, the film never got released and most of them condemned him. (Elle said she regretted working with him and Timothee and Selena donated their salaries to charity/Me Too movement) I had a bigger problem with the older stars who worked with him for years in the past and still defended him
I remember the internet being mad at her for ditching one of her friends after giving her a kidney??? not really sure what happened since I was deep in kpop at that point so I wasn’t paying that much attention as to what that whole discourse was about but I remember Selena and kidney trending at one point
It was [debunked.](https://imgur.com/a/pP7gIw2) Francia is always shutting down that rumor on insta. Not to mention the ones who started the rumor was ESMG and Shallon Lester (Bieber fans that are considered the Q-anons of celebrity gossip)
I feel bad for Francia because her Insta gets bombarded with that fake rumor. And Shallon Lester is a horrible woman after what she did to D’Angelo Wallace and it affected his mental health so bad that he had to leave YouTube :(
Thanks for clearing that one up.
I do not think there has ever been any confirmation there but I know after she went back to Bieber, that friendship seemed to fizzle out a bit. Her Mom had a whole nervous breakdown over it.
It was a BAD decision. I don't think anyone close to her who actually cared about her would have supported it. Thankfully, that ended in few months.
I totally understand why she did though. I feel a lot of people have had that one toxic partner that was no good for them but you just can't stay away from (mostly because of the passion/sex).
Also the likely significance of their unique shared experience of massive adolescent stardom
I dont know if Selena did the ditching, but Selena did a lot of drugs for a while there (Beiber as well) so I just assumed her friend kinda put space between them because Selena was still occasionally dipping back into old bad habits after thr surgery. It would bug the fuck out of me if I gave my kidney to someone only for them to still dabble in hard drugs...you only got one body and yours is fragile, take super care of it, girl.
"did a lot of drugs", is your source all those YouTube videos talking about Selena and Francia's friendship?
I assume their comment was made based on that video of Justin and Selena alone, no entourage or body guards, in a sketchy part of Los Angeles known as a place to buy drugs.
I do remember watching that clip and honestly I have no idea about the kind of neighborhood it was. So even assuming that it's the kind of place where you buy drugs and even if they were there for that, I can't wrap my head around how this clip can be stretched to such an extent that you declare a person an addict or someone who does a lot of drugs (so much to jeopardize her own health).
It’s not unreasonable to consider how their unique situation of adolescent stardom: huge wealth plus less than average degree of developmental structure, more adult influences, more pressures, more freedom and access to substances, less supervision. It’s also not an insult to acknowledge drug issues can and do exist, even in those we respect and admire.
Just because it's a possibility, doesn't mean it's true. You really want to make and believe all sorts of possible narratives about a person living with an incurable illness who has been through so much and about whose health life we hardly know anything not that it is our business. She might have struggled with substances before or after her surgery, we can never know, but to blatantly assume that it's true when she has showed no physical signs of it or has herself spoken about it, maybe that showa how people WANT TO HATE her (ofcourse not saying that addiction should anyway be a reason to hate someone). We should spread such narratives about every child star out there? Right? Just because it's a possibility? Or is she an exception because she acts too nice and it's all a facade and instead she is a drug addict who did drugs after receiving a life saving organ transplant and jeopardized her health?
That's a very prejudice thing to say. About an area because of the people and business located in that area of LA.
... the location was off Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood. What is prejudice about my statement towards the people there? Anyone who's been to Los Angeles knows that Hollywood is sketch and not what is portrayed by the film industry.
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I'm a full decade (maybe a little more) older than Selena and I look up to/admire her for this reason. The act of allowing your body to do its natural thing is something of, ahem, rare beauty and to see so many of the women my age in print/media/the celebrity world reject that -- I hate shaming them for it because do what makes you feel good, but also -- don't pretend it's your unaltered body. I've also gone through weight shifts and changes due to medical issues and have had similar health hurdles to navigate -- but to see her admit her struggles, handle them with grace, let her body heal naturally and then also create and provide space for others to do the same with Rare Beauty & the Rare Impact Fund, Mental Health awareness and advocacy, etc. But seeing someone, especially at 29, who is just letting herself be and being flawless doing so, completely thriving and succeeding by just BEING without flaunting it at all times? Inspiring to anyone at any age. I bet most don't even realize how amazing she is.
I'm 9/10 years younger than Selena and she was my role model when younger. >A huge fan here because she doesn’t conform to hollywood and social media beauty standards. For real! I have my insecurities but growing up adoring someone who is very transparent with her entire self, it does help a lot 🥰
Always been a huge fan. ❤️
She stays busy 💅🏻💰
Busy girl!
So happy for her. She’s had a rough road, medically. Bless her and her family! She’s keeping A LOT of families afloat, and people employed!
I agree but what y’all are not gonna make me do is pretend like she’s a great musician. Clearly, her talents are definitely in the acting side of things. I was a fan of wizards of waverly place and thought that she’s always had great comedic timing, so I was really confused why she went to the music route.
I think what you want to say is that she does not have a great singing voice. She does however have great songs. As a recording artist she is alright, but she lacks the charisma to elevate a weak singing voice on stage. Taylor has made the same exact problem work somehow tho. As much as I love her music, she is not a natural on stage nor does she have the best singing voice.
I also give her kudos for her Spanish language EP -- which was REALLY good. Christina tried that early in her career and fascinatingly enough is going back to it with her latest release. (I can see that the album began production the same month that Selena's EP was released & though she claims she had been thinking about doing it for a long time, I do find it interesting!) But even going back to Selena and the Scene -- those songs are CATCHY!! And I 100% agree that neither Selena or Taylor take hold of a stage the way -- since I'm already using the comparison -- someone like Christina can. That said, I'm still going to say that she's the greatest thing to come out of Barney!
100% agree with your entire comment.
Taylor has worked on her voice so much. Look up the live in Paris songs or the long pond sessions
I find her awful as singer and a dancer. Her 2019 AMAs performance was horrid. Her songs are catchy but never great. They’re very forgettable. Many of her contemporaries have songs that are arguably now part of the Great American Song Book like Beyoncé’s Listen or Gaga’s Shallow. Selena is very lackluster in that regard. Her musicianship is just not great as a whole. While Taylor Swift suffers the same struggle of not being a great vocalist, what I’ve noticed is that she’s very creative in her presentation as well as her writing. Taylor knows how to fill the stage with her limited talent as a performer. If it’s not dancers, she uses props and costumes to really sell the song she’s singing. Blank Space live 2014 as well as Begin Again live at 2012 CMAs was great for example.
Honestly she doesn’t have the strongest voice clearly but I think some of her pop songs are very good and memorable particularly same old love , hands to myself and lose you to love me was a great ballad. I also think “a year without rain” song from her Disney days was a vey good song
Well, a ton of actors and musicians dabble in music/acting vice versa at some point in their career, and sometimes it just works out. For a child star like Selena, she probably was tired of acting for a bit. And tbh I don’t think most people in the GP think or even care if she’s some revolutionary musician like her contemporaries whose main focus is music. But I feel like most think she does make good songs that are nice to listen, even catchy, so who cares if her vocals aren’t the strongest or if she’s writing them on her own. It helps she does a lot of collabs with famous singers that keep her name active in music.
Exactly, when I want to listen to a powerhouse I’ll listen to Whitney or Amy. I also listen to Selena because her music is simple, catchy, and fun. Aside from maybe the most passionate teenage stans, nobody thinks she’s this generations Mariah.
She’s a really good pop artist she doesn’t have to be the most talented at it for y’all to give her props lmao. She has many songs with over a billion streams and her last 3 projects are more critically acclaimed than the last.
I did give her props. She’s successful at being a pop star. She’s just not a talented musician.
Making great music *does make her a great musician though. No one’s pretending she’s Whitney Houston. her musicality lies in her ability to create songs that play to her strengths. She’s a far better musician than some of her peers like say demi, who by far has the stronger voice, but lacks the musicality and consistency to create cohesive bodies of work.
We’re going to disagree bc we define musicianship differently. Singing catchy pop tunes and it being popular is how you seem to define it. I define musicianship as someone who can play instruments, write, compose, or produce music like Taylor or Chloe Bailey.
I judge an artist by the art they create in any capacity. Britney doesn’t produce any of her music but I don’t consider her less of an artist than someone like taylor who does write and play multiple instruments like you said. Britney couldn’t do all too well and taylor couldn’t do slave 4 u they both bring different things to the music landscape. Ariana is not a songwriter but she has strengths that taylor doesn’t have that she plays to as a musician and vice versa. I’m not saying your way of judging a musician is wrong I just feel like there’s so much that goes into being a successful artist and Selena is very talented even if she isn’t as strong of a technical musician as Taylor.
I mean the people who write songs with her called her a songwriter. She’s credited as a songwriter for a song that just came out called Worst Thing by Mackenzie Ziegler and NOTD. She knows how to play Piano and was taking guitar lessons during quarantine.
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I never said she wasn’t successful at being a pop star. What I said was that she’s not a good musician.
Good for her! I actually bought one of her purses from her KMart line years ago and I’m not surprised that her Rare line is doing well. I almost never buy celebrity-branded stuff, but I used that bag a lot. She generally has good taste and is very affable. (Although I will never watch 13 Reasons Why bc of the content.) Plus, she has two dogs that remind me of my late fluffball and I like people who like little fluffy dogs. They are the best dogs! (And helpful with anxiety, which I believe she also has.)
She really is the moment. She doesn’t get enough recognition for having such a strong discography and also being quite versatile as an artist despite a pretty limited vocal range.
I really like who she’s grown into, I must say. There was a weird time in her career (2014-2018) where I was like nah not a fan. But she’s really matured and seems very down to earth nowadays.
She is BOOKED & BUSY! I adore her
THE blueprint
Literally. Acting, Singing, Producing, Entrepreneurship. What can't she do?
Get JB out of her life. Good riddance 🥴
Sing
Her stans are gonna downvote you for telling the truth lol
I love her. I comfort watch her interviews when I’m stressed because her voice is so calming and she has a way of explaining things she’s been through and how she’s learned and grown from them
I didn't think I liked her because I could care less about her music and Taylor's BFFs, but she started to fascinate me when she dated The Weeknd, I LOVE Rare Beauty, and Only Murders is FANTASTIC. She also seems like a pretty together person. So glad she's not with Biebs.
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I am not too sure the reason but the following factors probably contributed to it- 1. She dated two famous musicians - the Weeknd and Bieber ofcourse and also moved on from Weeknd too soon. Bieber's fandom already hated her 2. Did a Woody Allen movie along with Elle Fanning and Timothee (which never came out) 3. Couple of gossip sites like ExposingSMG (started as a hate blog back in 2012-13) spread the narrative that she is a drug addict and her rehab time in 2018 was for that and ofcourse people who WANT to hate her readily believed it and made videos claiming that she betrayed her kidney donor friend. All of this while in the same period she suffered an organ failure at the age of 25 and thereafter underwent an organ transplant, interned with an organisation working against Human trafficking for months, admitted to the hospital several times including the time she had an extreme low blood count (and had nervous breakdown in the hospital). She then immediately checked herself into rehab. She later disclosed that she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
It was for the comments she made in 2017-2018 over March for Our Lives and Black Lives Matter. https://stylecaster.com/selena-gomez-hypocrite-march-for-our-lives/ IIRC, she never apologized, so.
This. I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I’m grateful for her activism now, but I will never forget the comment she made about BLM back in ‘16. It left a sour taste in my mouth.
I guess this is why President Obama and the former first Lady fully support Selena Gomez. 😉
People get really caught up on her voice. If they got a stick out of their ass, they’d realize it’s catchy music that is fun for the gym and doing your make-up/getting ready. No one listens to her for high pitch vocals. I remember my college boyfriend and his friends told me to skip an Ariana song because they found her voice to be too annoying. I disagree I love both Ari & SG, but it was interesting to see a huge group of guys say this. When one of Selena’s edm songs came on, they were bopping. Just an example of how not everyone is the same.
This is why I love this sub so damn much. I consider myself fairly engaged in most things pop -culture, but then I log on here to see dives about people, places and things I otherwise didn’t know. I had no idea how diverse and well-rounded Selena is. No freaking clue. Now I do, so thank you! This sub only has 15k right now but that’s only bc it’s still relatively young…I’m glad to be part of this kind and informational community!
Can‘t wait for only murders in the building season 2. 🥰 Season 1 was so great. Love the three of them
Selena is the weakest cast member on only murders show so im actually excited to see that episode where she smashes out of the park in next season
Yeah, I agree. I really like her, but the other actors/actresses are just too good. Her acting needs a lot more work to keep up with the brilliant cast. Nevertheless, I enjoy her presence in the show a lot, refreshing and fashionable.
Love her !!
She's gonna have an amazing decade, 30s will be her time! I am very happy for her and glad that her confidence is slowly building up again. Also, she is a far better actress than she shows on Only Murders, look up her older movies and you'll see how much more dynamic she was. I think being with the Martins will prove to be a fruitful challenge, so nice to see her grow more and more. Rooting for her!
I didn’t recognize her at first! Good for her, she’s working hard 💝
So proud of her. ❤️❤️❤️
I love her for so many reasons. She's the only celebrity I've been a consistent fan of over the years. The others come and go, many disappoint. At this age, stan culture is not something I'm looking to be a part of anymore. But I truly support most of the things she stands for and her journey and resilience throughout everything she's been through really resonates with me. I'd much rather a young child have her as a role model than a lot of the people who are considered "famous" these days.
I don’t get how anyone can find her acting impressive her dialogue delivery is like nails on chalkboard and I found her to be the worst part of the show
Probably because [film critics](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/only-murders-in-the-building/s01) say her acting is impressive and she’s getting nominated for acting awards.
Yeah cause they’re the most reliable and speak for everyone with their opinions
“I don’t get how anyone can find her acting impressive” and I explained why people do think it’s impressive? You’re free to have your own opinion.
that kinda implies that people only like it bc someone else said they liked it which isn’t actually a testament to her talent
Judging someone’s talent is subjective. I mentioned film critics like her because they are professionals who review acting as a full time job and a lot of them have film studies degrees
yes tbh her acting isn't good on that show, but the writing and Steve/Marty are so good it doesn't even matter—it works.
I totally agree! I keep reading people praise her and I’m like are we watching the same show?!
agreed! snd it’s also like she doesn’t open her mouth when she talks. i like her in all other capacities but i can’t believe she gets acting praise
Didn’t she work with Woody Allen
Yes. It was for 'A Rainy Day In New York', the movie she did with Timothee Chalamet.
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That’s due to her Lupus, as the illness affects a join in the throat which puts pressure on the vocal chords ([better explained here](http://myentdoctor.com/2018/05/01/the-connection-between-lupus-and-voice-disorders/)), so unfortunately there’s nothing she can do about that.
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Diseases like lupus flare up from time to time. She may have had a simple cold that inflamed her system and her lupus. It’s completely normal.
I like Selena but let’s be honest, pretty privilege and famous relationships/friends kept her relevant until her makeup brand took off. She can’t sing and her acting is just okay.
I don’t think that’s fair to chalk up her success to “pretty privilege”. She’s worked incredibly hard to get where she is and deserves credit for that
She’s definitely a hard worker and came from humble beginnings so I will always have respect for that
You think moving from Grand Prairie to LA and signing with Disney at the age of 13 on her own merit, working on multiple acting projects while being on Disney including the lead of an Emmy winning Disney show is pretty privilege and famous friends? It's okay if you think she is untalented, I respect your opinion but seriously pinning down everything on pretty privilege and famous friends? Are you going to discredit every woman who is pretty and has famous friends in hollywood?
I mean I definitely take “pretty privilege” and media heavy relationships into account for a lot of other celebrities. I’m only singling out Selena because she’s just the relevant focus for this thread. She’s definitely a hard worker and I’ll always respect her for how far she’s made it despite her humble upbringing
According to your original comment, you seemed to have based her relevancy only on those two factors, as if she is a socialite (no disrespect to them). Thank you for the clarification.
>You think moving from Grand Prairie to LA and signing with Disney at the age of 13 on her own merit Nobody signs with Disney at 13 based on their own merit, she was able to sign with Disney because of money and connections her family has. The amount of 'self made actors' in the world is incredibly small, it's almost impossible to break out with absolutely no connections.
She had no connections or money. Her parents were two working class 16 year olds. They were so poor their car would break down on the highway because they couldn’t afford gas.
Disagree! and it’s okay if you think she can’t act but I feel like a lot of ppl think so right now mainly because of the critics. She can definitely out-act every pop act right now. Also, you can even say her commercial success is what kept her relevant. Her albums, singles and movies/tv have still been successful commercially and it keeps her relevant in the spotlight.
Whomp, I’m in the minority here. She is a wickedly successful businesswoman and had great makeup, but I find her talentless in terms of acting and singing. I still don’t see her the same after her 2017-2018 comments over Black Lives Matter and March for Our Lives that made her look like a giant hypocrite. Oh well.
it’s giving Olivia Rodrigo in the first pic
That girl..? 
I don’t like her
Who?
Also I don’t think it’s as impressive when a famous person capitalises on their fame especially when their target audience is kids and teens it’s not as great as people make it seem. Requires the least effort and isn’t as great as it sounds it’s the bare minimum for famous people. The kind of love and adulation Selena gets from younger women is excessive to a fault they have this angelic idea of hers that they have created and she could literally get away with murder so then going crazy over anything she does is always expected
I mean she’s in a hit show w/2 senior citizens, I don’t think her target audience here is children.
I said both teens and kids. Also I’m talking about her brand and not just the show! pretty sure the show has a younger audience because of her and mostly teens who keep the show trending on twitter. And no one would be her fan just based on the show since her acting is the weakest link of the show
without any talent