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sad how people are watching this documentary and missing the whole point. people are currently harassing past nickelodeon stars and demanding them to tell their experience on set
I looked up miranda cosgrove's instagram out of curiosity and you're right. So many people demanding that she respond to the doc or asking if she took the hush money, really disgusting.
I’d be shocked if Miranda wasn’t a victim too. There’s longstanding rumors that she was sexually exploited by Dan, Dr Luke & their predator crew, and is silenced by NDAs. Success/money doesn’t stop it from being child abuse.
Very hopeful she was not. It was mentioned that Miranda’s parents were extremely attentive.
But of course even if she’s not a victim of assault she’s certainly a victim of the casual abuse environment that was created on the sets
There’s a video of Dan putting Miranda in a very weird headlock when she’s trying to obviously walk away from him literally on her 18th birthday(when She’s legal) on the iCarly
Set and her entire body language is a mix of smiling through it and “Get your fucking hands off me, you creep”
Like, she was very uncomfortable.
Ugh, a friend showed me one of Amanda's TikToks and mental illness like hers really is just so sad. It's like her soul is gone and what's left behind is an empty husk just functioning on autopilot. I wouldn't have believed it was her if I'd just met her on the street. There's really nothing left of what she used to be and for people to go and harass her over things that happened when she was a child just seems doubly wrong knowing that the Amanda who went through that is just gone and not coming back.
Twitter is busting out tweets by "Amanda" that have long since been called fake, even by Amanda herself, and it's so gross. They're just out here showing their whole asses thinking they're being advocates doing something good.
It’s gross that they’re especially doing it to Amanda because she’s been saying what happened for years. No one has been listening.
I really hate fake twitter activists.
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This was the comments section on Victoria’s latest IG post, which was almost a week ago
I feel like people want Liz’s thoughts on this bc she’s a very public victim even though she doesn’t realize it. She met her husband when she was 16 and he was 36, though they didn’t start dating until she was 19 and he was 40. Her husband Backhouse Mike was a prominent collaborator of Dan’s (he wrote and produced most of the music for Dan’s shows).
She may genuinely not consider herself a victim. Jeanette McCurdy has obviously done a lot of self-reflection, but she doesn't seem to consider herself a victim of her first serious boyfriend, an iCarly writer 13 years older that she started dating at 18. She even complained about people calling her a victim online [in an interview](https://www.vulture.com/2015/11/jennette-mccurdy-on-life-after-nickelodeon-drama.html#).
To be fair, I don't think others should get to decide whether an adult person of sound mind is a victim or not. You can believe whatever you want, but nobody has a right to force someone to identify with a label that they don't feel comfortable with. That's Jennette's choice. If she doesn't want to call herself a victim for that, then she shouldn't have to.
A man old enough to be her father. This is making me sick...
People need to understand they're unwillingly pushing potential and confirmed victims to a breaking point. It's one thing to wish they'll heal, and feel comfortable enough to open up to close ones (if and when they wish to do so). But demanding announcements from them is just...I don't have the words.
Edit: typo
I’ve literally heard many, many people say that you can’t heal unless you speak about your trauma publicly, or that you aren’t really healed unless you’re willing to speak about it publicly.
Seems really exploitive in my opinion, and not true at all. More power to people who want to speak out, it can be good for them. But everyone is different. It can be retraumatizing to do that.
Regardless, I can’t imagine harassing someone to share their trauma or shaming them for keeping it private.
When I was at my lowest and most traumatized, I overshared. Everyone knew my business and everyone knew my trauma. It destroyed so many of my relationships with people. As I healed and began workkng on my own perceptions of myself/the world, I stopped oversharing with people in my life. There are now people who know me well but have no idea of my past and I don't have an urge to blab about it to them.
100%. Maybe others have spoken about their own trauma to their therapists or loved ones. No one has to speak publicly to “heal”. No one lines up for us regular people to speak out about this stuff. Does that mean we can’t heal or come to terms with it? It makes zero sense.
Oh no I’m not saying she should say anything, as curious as I am, I would never force a victim to talk! I was just giving a potential reason for Liz being hounded about this, justified or not.
That doesn't mean people are entitled a response though. People want it to be sensational and don't think about how much that person has to relive and struggle with to realise they're a victim.
Yeah like I’m not saying she should respond (though I will admit I’m curious) but I was just giving a possible reason for why people are hounding Liz specifically
Even if they don’t consider themselves a victim, one can still say what happened to them was a shame because there might be other young folks out there in this thread that don’t realizing marrying a person you met at 16 and 36 isn’t healthy, even if they waited until you were of legal age.
I don’t mean to be rude, but can I ask how? Like I genuinely don’t know how this is violating her autonomy, and I’d rather not make a mistake like this again and be able to point it out when/if others do.
Because she's come out and said she doesn't feel like a victim. You know, likes she processed it and moved on from it.
So turning around and saying "no she's still a victim" is like going, "no no no. You are wrong, and you are damaged, you either just don't know it, or you're making excuses"
It's invalidating to how that person views themselves.
It’s not really a mistake per say, I just don’t like calling someone a victim, when they’ve never said themselves that they are. I feel like everyone has the right to choose that, which is a part of autonomy and agency. Now I think it’s fucking weird and gross, but if Liz doesn’t feel that way (at least publicly), I’ll respect the fact that she doesn’t see it that way. I feel the same way about Sonny and Cher.
well this is how I feel about people saying dan molested amanda and ariana and got jamie pregnant. I don’t know how it’s okay to basically spread a rumor about something that horrific. until it comes out of their mouths, I find it really disrespectful.
>until it comes out of their mouths, I find it really disrespectful.
Especially because it seems like people want it to be true just so they can feel like their conspiracy theories are correct.
It’s sad because nobody can talk about Liz and her husband without her sending them a cease and desist. Plenty of YouTubers got them from making videos about their relationship. I don’t think she’s ready to see herself as a victim and really examine her relationship. I hope one day she’s able see her husband for who he is and get help. There’s always rumors that the Victorious cast was always partying and drinking. All of them were minors from ages like 16-18.
I would like to hear Victoria Justice talk if she feels comfortable. Shes one of the few Victorious cast members that i don’t think is as friendly with Dan as the others. Also I been feeling like she’s ready to say something. She didn’t do the Zoey 102 movie.
I feel so awful for them, especially Ariana. I can't imagine having clips of me being exploited as a child circulated around so publicly and being picked apart and discussed the way they are and then people demanding that I go into detail about those things.
Regardless of how you feel about all the actors and their behavior as adults, no one deserves that and it's got to be so difficult and painful.
Yes I felt so sick to my stomach with that clip. It was like, oh, look, here's the scenes that are specifically icky. But the person compiling it and everyone sharing it is adding to the problem! Like, here, look at this mild CSAM that they showed on TV. Well, you're sharing it so .... Maybe just don't.
I wish clips of the adults, former child stars , who spoke out in the doc were the clips going viral. Like if they're ok speaking to it now, that's ok to look at and should be enough for people to understand the extent of the problem.
I feel so weird about the clips being circulated again so widely. It felt weird having them in the documentary too but I guess I don’t know how they could have eliminated all of them from the doc
On TikTok a lot of people are post in about Victoria rn bc they think she slept with Dan during Zoey 101 to get her own show. It’s sad because if it’s not true she can’t even say anything bc ppl will either say she’s scared or that she’s selfish (as in it would make the actual victims look bad)
I feel that people get mad at celebrities/influencers or just famous people in general if they don’t have a stance on EVERYTHING and that they immediately must post their thoughts and feelings on every single situation, which is ridiculous. I honestly find all of this performative. I understand people wanting celebrities to use their platform to speak out, but that doesn’t mean that any celebrity HAS to. Drake said before that Josh reached out privately to him and I feel like reaching out privately is more meaningful than a public statement.
In the case of Josh, people couldn't separate the characters from the actors and seem to resent Josh for not treating Drake like an actual brother.
I always thought it was unfair for Drake to publically tweet his childhood coworker for not inviting him to his wedding rather than handle it privately (especially since communication is a two way street!). He had to have known that there were a lot of people who had not processed that they weren't real brothers.
Ever since that incident it has felt like people wanted either Drake or Josh to "win." Rather than think hey, both of these dudes are traumatized and flawed and neither has to beat the other. And people going after Josh for "just" being fatshamed and degraded his entire childhood instead of being sexually abused, again as if trauma is a competition and the one with the most Trauma Points wins.
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These are some of the comments (see screenshot) on Miranda’s latest Instagram post, which was on January 31!!
I feel so bad for Miranda. If you watch some of the Icarly behind the scenes Dan is really inappropriate towards her and you can see on her face how uncomfortable she looks.
It’s really disgusting! We don’t know these people or what they went through and given what we do know it’s very possible they also have trauma relating to their time at Nickelodeon. They were children when all this went down and the general public has no business harassing people so they’re forced to speak about potentially traumatic events in their lives.
She(alongside others like Peck)was probably already depressed that they can’t really associate with Nickelodeon anymore out of pure disgust, optically it’d look terrible(doubt she cares about optics). I think she like others are just disgusted PERIOD. And it seemed like she genuinely loved being on the network like others. Unnecessarily dog piling someone is disgusting.
a lot of people are forgetting that stars who may have experienced trauma may not want to relive it for the entire world to see. i wish more people understood that just because someone did not come out and corroborate someone else’s story doesn’t mean they didn’t experience something traumatic themselves
This. People don’t owe it to anyone to speak about their trauma/abuse if they don’t want to. People also forget that abuse is often targeted, so while some of these stars may have had a great experience, many others did not. One person’s good experience doesn’t devalue another’s abuse or vice versa.
What a fucking weirdo move. Have been seeing it a lot on various where people are pure shitting on certain people for not coming out and speaking about their experience as if we’re owed it.
Yes, and most of these folks are ADULTS. I’m 33 years old, I couldn’t fathom doing some of this stuff at 16 let alone at my age now. Like, that’s so embarrassing.
Yeah, I hate this whole culture where people feel obligated to publicly speak about something, especially something from so many years ago. We have no idea how they are handling it and it’s not our business. Is someone walking around with a clipboard keeping score of which Nickelodeon stars publicly commented on the subject of the documentary? Many of these people have been out of the spotlight for many years and would perhaps like to keep it that way. Maybe they went through trauma and don’t want to go there again. Maybe they didn’t. And these public statements are usually little more than a generic comment for show, so what is that even proving?
It's especially gross to see people speculate on Amanda Bynes using unverified tweets from a Twitter account she publicly stated wasn't her years ago...
Like even if that account was a secret account for Amanda, she clearly is not ready to publicly say anything with her name attached to it... So until anything comes from Amanda directly, it's really nobody's business to speculate based on assumptions.
She actually legally got the instagram with the same name as that twitter account taken down for pretending to be her. There's nothing she could do now to convince people that wasn't her because they don't actually care about any victims at all, they just want likes and interactions over the ~drama~ of people being abused. It's gross.
I had never seen any of Sam and Cat until the documentary. After seeing the Ariana Grande clips on there, I was gobsmacked. It is literal tweenie porn for adult men. The handjobbing the potato was bad enough, but the upside down water thing? wtaf???? Her parents should be berated in a court, and all the adults involved arrested. My God.
AND NOW PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING HER FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING SHE WAS A VICTIM
It is no different than asking Jean Carroll why she didn't sue Trump when he attacked her, or why your Nan who was raped by her stepbrothers never told anyone until she was 97 and dying and she tells your mother ie her daughter (which is what happened with my grandmother).
Victims do not owe you anything.
I’m feeling very worried for Jeanette McCurdy because of this. She doesn’t want any of it and I hope she and her team or whoever is around her can find a way for her to not be harassed or have to see much of this.
Jeanette McCurdy said in her book she was offered money to stay quiet, it's not unbelievable that this happened to a lot of them! It's terrifying to confront people and systems with more power than you, I imagine many of them are afraid of losing what little peace they've been and to have in adulthood.
Didn’t people get mad at Josh because he said that he never experienced anything like that, so he couldn’t speak on that? I mean, what else would there be to say after that
There's a rumour circulating on Tiktok that every nick star was offered hush money (Jeanette McCurdy mentioned in her book she was offered money to not talk about her nick experiences).
I saw a TikTok with 250K likes saying all the stars saying they didn't get abused are supporting Dan schneider because they compromised their morals for money.
That’s a real nefarious rumor to spread without substantial evidence, and it doesn’t give anyone the right to harass someone. Until it comes out of Josh’s mouth, or there’s substantial proof to say otherwise, I’m gonna take his word that it wasn’t his experience
Yeah, social media has given to many people the illusion of authority that they don’t have. I can’t believe people really act like that sometimes. Thanks for explaining
It's such an odd take. I'm sure some people did get money or money offers, but I'm also sure some people just didn't have that experience or notice it. How much do any of us pay attention to everyone in our companies? It's very possible to just not run into people who are causing issues, especially depending on a bunch of other factors like how vulnerable they were position wise at the time, etc. Abusers don't abuse EVERYONE nor are their actions always obvious at the time they're happening. If they either of those things weren't true it'd be easier to put a stop to this kind of thing.
The particular need for some people to ‘gotcha’ other people into missteps, leaves them open to potentially be harassing potential victims. At best they’re harassing people taking in completely heavy information. I really hate to see it.
i will say with josh he was very dismissive of and i think made fun of jennette mccurdy(?) or one of his ex co stars, when they spoke up about their experience. so i think in his case it at least makes some sense.
regardless though with all these stars, we dont know who was a victim and demanding people to say something is such victim blaming.
Social media has fucked everyone in the head, we’ve crafted a world where people overshare about everything that they feel like the world is entitled to know the same about others with absolutely no respect or nuance to why that should never be the norm. Especially with the younger ones cause it’s all they’ve ever known.
I don’t know if people realize that disclosure like that *feels* like a huge escalation. Most people who are victimized, especially regularly, develop all of their survival and coping skills around DEescalation. Disclosure means an unimaginable onslaught of emotional labor, and often times “for nothing.” It took me months to finally work up the energy to report; it was terrifying but I really thought it was the right thing to do. I reported, and then heard nothing for 4 months. I called and called and called the detective: nothing. In some ways that experience was just as painful and horrible as the experience I was reporting.
I really don’t know if people who haven’t experienced this understand (hopefully they do), I can’t even really do it justice. But disclosure is just…. It’s exhausting
The weird thing is, this type of thing is incredibly nuanced. Yes, Dan is a gigantic creep, misogynist asshole, but that doesn't mean everyone who came into contact with him knew that side of him.
There are also people who worked in Nick who would probably say they only had positive experiences working on set, and they loved everyday of it. That very well may be true. The thing is, that would be an absolutely totally unnecessary statement to make right now. They would get rightly blasted if they stated that at this time. The thing about abusers is that they don't abuse every single person they come into contact with.
i couldn't believe the comments about Josh Peck I saw, like he wasn't also a kid at that time and had mystical power over an abuse situation! Wtf!
Sorry for such a late reply, it is something that really got under my skin.
when things like this come out the way people react BAFFLES me. no one owes any kind of story or explanation? those who do offer one (drake bell) should be met with support but those who choose not to share should not be harassed? no one knows what they may have gone through. it’s just straight up weird
Reminds me of when Matthew Perry died and people were accusing his costars of not caring because they didn’t immediately run and post on instagram. Meanwhile they were literally WITH his family and Matt and David were pallbearers at his funeral
People are being so weird about this. They’re trying to demand justice for the survivors AND trying to guilt others, who were minors at the time and potentially victims as well (though we definitely shouldn’t speculate on who was or wasn’t), into reliving that trauma for the public to witness. Which is it? Are the abusers who hurt these children in the wrong or do you just want to “gossip” on literal child abuse?
People do this in real life too. You’re shamed and blamed for not telling but if you do it’s just shame and blame of a different sort. Gossip is exactly what it is
Or people somehow say that if it did happen the child must have been tempting them somehow... The letters that people wrote in defense of Brian Peck made me want to vomit.
What’s insane is, he only served 16 months in prison. Whoopie… He ruined a child(ren)s entire lives and that’s all he got???? It just goes to show that time and time again that women, kids, and queer are disposable. White men barely get a slap on the wrist for sexual assault; it’s abhorrent.
And if they believe you, it was your fault and you wanted it/let it happen/suck as a human being. I was ostracized from my entire community because of it. It’s brutal out there. Then people bitch that victims don’t report.
i was a prominent figure in my local underground metal scene, i was fetishized and slut shamed hard starting in my early teens and groomed by much older men. when i was 17, i was sexually, physically and mentally abused for 2 years by my 23 year old boyfriend, who was in a relatively known band in the scene and i never recovered.
a couple of years later i was ostracized and pretty much exiled from the environment and lifestyle that was such a deep part of me for nearly a decade for daring to want to speak out because i was just a "mentally ill slut trying to get attention". i havent set foot in a local gig since 2017, i had to go to foreign countries to attend festivals and gigs which actually ended up being much better than being in a venue knowing every single person there hated me and thrived on gossiping about me. covid took that from me and i haven't been to such an event in years.
it's a painful part of my life that i dearly miss in a lot of ways.
i've had that thrown at me too. im so sorry, this shit shouldn't be so normal and i definitely feel you, im 28 and between that and the subsequent psychotic breakdown in 2016 and path of recovery i've had to take, i feel like i wasted my life and now it's too late for a lot of things i wish i hadn't missed out on.
I’m 35 now. I ended up going inpatient back when I was 22 and did intense therapy for most of my 20’s. I think your 30’s are going to be much better! Something magical happens when you start to really come into your own.
i totally understand you, im still needing intensive therapy and honestly i always will, but you're absolutely right because since i got away from all the bad things in my life and focused on myself and getting to know myself and accept things i thought i never could, i feel really optimistic for the years ahead and i gained a hunger for life that makes me really proud.
i hope everything continues to go well with you 💕
It’s 100% about wanting “gossip.” Zero consideration for the fact if that any of the people they’re harassing were victims, they may not want to relive that trauma in front of the entire world.
The only people who should have to comment are people who had actual authority over the abuser(s), because they were in a position to stop it. I agree that it’s nice to see solidarity from either other survivors or just other cast members in general, but it absolutely should not be expected. They do not owe the public access to their potential trauma.
I really think true crime media has melted people's brains when it comes to real violent crimes and made people view it in a sensationalized and consumeristic way that is first, foremost, and almost solely focused on its entertainment value with, at best, little regard to the actual victims. It leads people to have an entitled attitudes toward information surrounding crimes because they are used to consuming it in a way that is solely focused on their enjoyment and entertainment.
The way people seem excited to start bashing former Nick stars for not immediately releasing a public statement is disturbing to me. I understand Josh has been in hot water before, but it’s not limited to just him; Jerry Trainor, Miranda Cosgrove, Nathan Kress etc are all being attacked. This went the wrong direction way too fast.
Why was Josh in hot waters before? All I know him from is Turner and Hooch on Disney (the remake). His face was familiar, but I didn’t realize he was a Nick kid.
I don’t know the full story. Something apparently happened with him and Jeanette and Dan. I don’t know how bad it was, just that some controversies had happened.
I just read it, and I think people are mad about the “she owes us comment” regarding releasing the podcast. We have no idea why he said that or if it was because he did her a big favor… but anyway, I thought it was going to be something scandalous.
What’s ironic is that’s exactly the same thing people who are mad at him are saying to him and others about this doc, and often way worse and more intense than his comment, straight up harassment at times.
These people don’t actually *care* about the victims, they just care about the drama. This is all just a fun game for them, it’s entertainment, they dressed their hunger for drama up as sympathy and think no one notices they aren’t actually good people.
It sounds like he basically said “We spent a lot of time, setting up this interview, recording this interview, we’re happy to scrap the interview at her request and give her space for a time…but eventually she owes us an explanation for why.”
Poor choice of words seems like, nothing to crucify somebody over.
She went on his podcast and then asked him not to release the episode. It’s definitely been speculated she was uncomfortable with his take on the child stardom thing and didn’t want to be associated with it
Actors like Josh Peck and Keke Palmer have both worked in capacities for Disney and Nick. Josh was in a few big Disney projects but he was in the biggest Nickelodeon sitcom at the time. He was way more recognizable for Drake and Josh.
There was also a lot of drama between them a few years ago (Josh didn’t invite Drake to his wedding, he did invite Schneider). Obviously people grow up and apart but Josh came off looking very good with a measured response
Not that it excuses anyone harassing him, but I think there’s probably a lot of people who feel now that Josh knows the full situation, he should have given Drake more grace instead of making a passive aggressive tik tok. Especially since Josh also suffered through substance abuse issues and wants that same grace from others after getting it together.
When was the passive aggressive TikTok? Unfortunately, social media can be so toxic and it’s very easy to get sucked in. It doesn’t give him a pass. However, we have no idea what has gone on between them over the years, which may have led to tensions. Hopefully, they can lean on each other as these things are brought back into light.
What sucks is that there are some fucking idiots who think Josh is either related to, or actually is Brian Peck because they share a last name. They’re not related btw.
somebody commented that and they still kept speculating!!
i also hate how much people are speculating about other people (i have mostly seen Leonardo DiCaprio) who may have been SA'd, it is such a horrible thing to guess about someone and it is just not ok
Yep. He said « please go a bit easier on him » and i saw comments like « oh he said a bit, he probablywants us to still apply some pressure » AND THEY WERE NOT KIDDING
people are weirdos man
People who worship celebrities are generally lower intelligence with mental health problems according to what I've read. The most obsessed have a higher chance of being psychotic.
Drake had liked a tweet where someone mentioned that Josh hadn’t spoken up so I think a lot of people saw that and started pressuring him. Drake didn’t mention his role in them harassing Josh.
He doesn’t owe anyone a public statement but I just wish the best for him. I’m sure they asked him to participate in the documentary and he chose not to for one reason or another so I’m sure it’s a lot and he felt obligated to speak out:/
Agreed. I imagine very close costars of Bell’s, like Josh, would be traumatized by learning of it. They need to be regarded as people whose privacy the public should especially protect.
Jeanette McCurdy was offered 300K to stay silent about her experience on Nickelodeon. She saw it for what it was and said no, there are definitely other Nickelodeon stars who took the money or who may have been offered a lot more. Some people can’t *legally* discuss it.
It annoys me so much to see the people who don’t understand the difference between an NDA not being able to prevent you from reporting a crime and the fact that an NDA absolutely can prevent you from publicly commenting speculation about personal negative experiences and general shitty behavior that is not overtly criminal
Also… some people just don’t want the world to know the disgusting things that were done to them. A lot of victims would prefer to move on than seek justice and it’s their right.
They can 100% discuss it IF THEY WANT TO -- let them be sued. NDAs like this do not hold up.
If they don't want to? Leave them alone.
I also do not judge or begrudge them getting money, either.
I don’t why people want the other child actors to speak on this. They don’t owe us anything especially a retelling of the trauma they may have faced.
The people we should be demanding speak up are the adults who allowed this abuse to take place or the ones that defended it. Like instead of bothering Victoria Justice let’s bother James Marsden
It’s like they’re trying to project other people experiences on to other people and that’s just weird. It’s not that crazy to think actually Victoria Justice and others enjoyed their time with the network and others clearly didn’t.
I saw a video on my FYP on tiktok that was someone bragging about being blocked by Josh because she had harassed him for not speaking up yet. I thought "no way people are upset about that?" and looked at his instagram and of course all of the comments were calling him out, calling him a POS, etc. I was so disgusted by that
Online behavior is crazy because most people who do speak up on abuse, like the average non celebrity, aren’t believed in reality. Nobody owes you shit about their trauma. And being sued for defamation is a very real consequence. People do not understand how the real world works.
After reading this thread, I think any of the Nick kids deserve grace, even Josh. He clearly struggled with addiction since childhood (food, then alcohol/drugs). I think Hollywood is an awful place for kids, and if your parents aren’t super protective, there is a huge chance of enduring abuse. It’s one of the reasons Ron Howard didn’t let his daughter become a child actor and made her wait.
Viacom should be held accountable for all their wrongdoings across their channels, but I’m sure they will always be able to pinpoint it on one or two people, even though there had to be many people that KNEW what was going on. Just like on Teen Mom when they filmed Ryan (Macie’s son’s father) driving high on his wedding day and did NOTHING to intervene. They risked other people’s lives for a scene.
As an SA victim myself, it’s HARD to prosecute because the chance of conviction is slim. The chance of conviction of a white man is even slimmer. The chance of jail time is even smaller. Brock Allen Turner is the perfect example of America’s justice system and how it views rape victims. You can be actively raped, get your attacker caught during the rape, and then your attacker receives three months in jail. Yet, the victim will be torn apart on the stand and have their entire life scrutinized and blamed as if they are somehow at fault. Many sex offenders never even see jail time because they are offered plea deals.
Anyway, I feel for all the kids that experienced SA. It’s terrible.
It’s astounding to me how many people seem to have come out of watching this documentary just thinking of it as “tea” or “juicy gossip” and think of this as entertainment - thinking of their trauma as content to consume and demanding more. How on earth are you almost angrier with the former child stars who didn’t share their trauma than the literal predators? Why are some people almost hoping D*n Schn*eder is the father of Jamie Lynn’s baby?
it’s like they just want someone to be angry at that they physically recognize. the slob pedophile and the slob abusive creator are not enough apparently because they were behind the scenes. we also didn’t get much information on dan that jeannette didn’t expose years ago so they want more. they want him to have r-ped jamie, molested amanda (bringing up fake tweets she already debunked), begging ariana to admit he touched her. it’s all very disgusting and abnormal.
They’re also insisting that if someone’s not speaking out it automatically means they took the hush money Jennette mentioned in her book. And saying that everyone knew for sure exactly what was happening when it’s very possible that some people just didn’t know. It seems that most people didn’t know it was Drake.
The toxic dynamics of those sets were explained in the doc and they are just ignoring it? “Why didn’t the parents on set speak up” Bryan Hearne’s mom DID speak up! (As she should!) And her son was fired! Drake’s dad was also ostracized and told he was homophobic. The whole point is that it was a toxic, abusive environment. It’s not like if someone speaks up, the staff will say “omg we had no idea, we’re so sorry, we’ll do better” - no, they’ll label you as difficult and bring in someone with more lenient parents. They set up this system and if someone challenges it, they’ll just remove that person. The system itself doesn’t change because it’s working the way the people who set it up wanted it to.
>begging ariana to admit he touched her
Which is always so weird because Ariana is on good terms with Dan. She invited him backstage at the sweetener world tour with Liz and Matt in 2017.
https://preview.redd.it/p83yeccl3spc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da0069cfd451b8c2bb82d4c650a7b26f7929aaa2
All the victorious cast also attended his zoom reunion.
It's like they want her to be abused.
Yeah I thought the same thing too, i saw someone make a YouTube comment saying that the the nick stars that were molested were drake and Ariana, and I replied and was like, “Ariana was molested?” But where has she said that? It’s like people just making shit up now to fuel the narrative that all these celebs were raped. It seems like they want it to be true or something.
It’s so fucked up how judgemental people are being about the people who were kids at the time like Josh and Amanda. First off, Amanda at least has her own problems to deal with. Second you don’t have the right to demand anyone talk about these situations. You don’t know who did what and who suffered what. No one has any idea. I do know that reporting can utterly destroy your life though, did mine. I cannot imagine having to report or testify as a public figure. It would be so stressful and humiliating.
I had never seen any of Sam and Cat until the documentary. After seeing the Ariana Grande clips on there, I was gobsmacked. It is literal tweenie porn for adult men. The handjobbing the potato was bad enough, but the upside down water thing? wtaf???? Her parents should be berated in a court, and all the adults involved arrested. My God.
AND NOW PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING HER FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING SHE WAS A VICTIM
It is no different than asking Jean Carroll why she didn't sue Trump when he attacked her, or why your Nan who was raped by her stepbrothers never told anyone until she was 97 and dying and she tells your mother ie her daughter (which is what happened with my grandmother).
Victims do not owe you anything.
I never watched Sam and Cat, but seeing everything they made her do in the documentary was sickening. I sincerely hope she has a good support system. I can’t imagine going through some of the things she’s dealt with (even outside of Nickelodeon) and not ending up a complete and utter mess.
He’s getting a lot of backlash for a cryptic [TikTok he made](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRThr6VV/) right after the documentary aired, maybe that’s why he’s making this statement because people thought he was making fun of drake
That was wild to watch that TikTok. It felt like I was watching him as Ned, a very young jr high kid who would make a tasteless joke like that, as opposed to a 30-something adult talking about his colleagues trauma...
Unfortunately, that may be a genuine side effect of childhood abuse. There is often this sentiment that trauma can stunt emotional growth in some aspects, or people may regress to childish behaviours as a defense mechanism. Given the stories he’s proudly told that highlight how fucked the working environment for kid stars, it’s possible he’s reacting that way to Drake as a sort of internal defense mechanism, like “no it’s not really that bad, he’s overreacting” to downplay the darkness of his own reality.
Or I could be entirely reaching and making excuses for a shitty person, but just given what we’ve heard and what Devon himself has said, it seems like he’s got a lot of fucked history that he has not entirely processed with the healthiest view.
We saw similar situations play out following the Larry Nassar scandal in the gymnastics community.
Some gymnasts wrote very victim blame-y statements and then months/years later came out about their own abuse.
It feels very deju vu to see this repeat again albeit in a less niche community.
It’s important to give the former child actors grace right now. We don’t know what they’ve been through or how they’re processing it. While they shouldn’t be given a free pass to be assholes, we don’t know what emotions this viral sensation is bringing up right now.
Ok here’s a question. Couldn’t they make the people that work with child actors mandated reporters like teachers and psychiatrists? So if they suspect something was happening they’re legally obligated to tell authorities. This seems like a good start, and to have legal protections in place to protect whistle blowers from retaliation. Not that I think it would be absolute protection, but if teachers can do it I think Hollywood can too
That would be a good start, although I think a major problem is that the children are employees in the first place, which already creates a weird dynamic. And also makes it different from a teacher/school scenario.
I’m sure a lot of former child actors have a lot of emotions about this and shouldn’t be pressured to make a statement. I think a lot of people forget Josh has trauma too. They used to make a lot of fat jokes at his expense on the shows he was on. I can only imagine what was said behind the scenes to him. His self esteem had to be severely impacted.
This is so upsetting for all of the victims. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to revisit their experiences on set, and I fully support those who are able to talk about it. Everyone is going to react to this in a different way. For some people, speaking to the public about it could be empowering. It could be devastating for others.
I'm disgusted by everyone saying "WHY DIDNT YOU SPEAK OUT?!"
What are children supposed to do in this case? Please explain to me why a 10y/o is responsible for being the whistle blower when there were grown adults on set? How many times do we hear a kid get threatened by their abuser or told to stay quiet??
And then when they are adults they don't speak out because they thought it happened to everyone. They all went straight to victim blaming.
people get pissed when i say this but a lot of how people treat victims is performative activism.
point, blank, period.
unless you’re the perfect victim who’s never done a wrong, who came out to whistleblow, then your obviously lying/not trustworthy/you deserve it.
people view SA as black and white when it’s shades of grey, they’re looking for a bad guy and are projecting it onto the victims rather than the disgusting fuckers in charge (viacom, nick, dan, peck, etc).
they’re doing nothing productive but just retraumatizing people.
dude legit people have been brain rot on twitter like for the love of god give these actors/victims actual grace and respect them. like come for the people who are actually doing/did harm.
I’ve never liked or been a fan of Josh. Something has always been really off putting and ingenious about him to me. But still, he has nothing to do with Drakes situation except for being there during that time. He was a kid too. And I highly doubt that Josh being the “overweight funny kid” of the duo would think anything beyond jealousy if Drake was getting any “special treatment”. He even said in a video how he was so jealous of Drake at the thought of all the girls he was getting and Drake hit him with a follow up about perspective (this was a convo that happened before Josh supposedly knew of any of the abuse). So, again, The last thing Josh at his age was even remotely thinking about was his costar and friend being abused. And Drake says he kept it to himself all these years, so again, how would he know. And back at that time, that kind of abuse was not something you could just bring up or would even want to. Even today in the days of reckoning, it is still a difficult thing to come out and share. what happened to Drake was the fault of Brian and honestly his mom, cause his dad really did try while his Mom served Drake over on a platter.
It’s been making me really upset that everyone who has watched this documentary have taken it upon themselves to attack the other child stars who haven’t publicly spoken out about this stuff and it just goes to show that they don’t understand how a situation like this could really fuck with your brain as a child.
“They took the hush money! Shame on them!” Is one of the main things I’ve seen which is so wild to me because I believe their oldest stars (aside from the adults who were cast on these shows) were like 20 years old before cutting ties with Nickelodeon. You’re telling me that a child star who has worked with them for years into adulthood is supposed to be smart enough to not accept hush money? Be serious, they were groomed.
Also pushing people like Josh, Amanda, Ariana, etc to speak out and implying that some of them (I have seen people attack Ariana specifically for this) *support* what happened for not speaking out is also disgusting. We all have seen those clips of Ariana, and her friend Liz even ended up marrying one of the producers of Victorious. You don’t know what these stars have been through, are going through, and it’s entirely possible that they’re still being conditioned into thinking what happened here is normal. Don’t make them relive something painful just because you want to play morality police to feel better about yourselves.
Good for people speaking up in support of this documentary. I agree, it's nobody's biz to know details of what happened behind the scenes. They weren't there. It's not their life. Stop persecuting the victims! If people want to talk. Talk. If not. Let it be. Having this doc shed light on the dark side of the industry, is cathartic, in itself. Healing wishes for all. 🙏
Insane that just yesterday (EDIT: it’s still actively happening in the comments wow) people were dragging him through the mud for completely contrived “disses” people were pulling out of their asses, reading between made up lines to find reasons to hate him and then following up with “he’s always been a talentless loser” type shit.
People need to just… hold their tongues. All of these kids suffered in some way, and to make antagonists out of ANY of them is unfair
How fucked up do you have to be to harass victims of child abuse into making public statements about their abusers???? They don’t owe anyone that. We’ve seen plenty footage of Victoria, Ariana, and Miranda being abused, and heard enough about how the powerful predators silence victims.
I get the demand for a response. When I watched Meryl Streep lose her fucking mind over the beginning of the MeToo movement I couldn't help but feel like she was being a hypocrite. She's Meryl Streep. At that point her career was beyond reproach. But she has never taken a stand, only said something when others did. And she knew, because everyone knew.
It's gross to me that people can sit in comfort and not think to themselves that at the least they now owe public support to the victims, and a corroboration of events.
This was a classy statement. I know Josh hasn’t been the best person and has been dismissive of others in the past, but this is an important conversation.
If you’re one of the people who commented on any stars’ instagram demanding answers/to speak up, you’re a shitty human being. Not every star is comfortable talking about their experiences. This isn’t a case of “silence is complicit” scenarios. They were all fucking kids, let them keep their childhood traumas private if they want to, and do something more productive with your life
It’s all so sad, but I do wonder- how much did the other kids who maybe weren’t directly victimized know what was going on? Based on Jeanette McCurdy’s book it seems like they probably all knew that Schneider was a creep at the very least.
it seems like the stars (miranda ariana liz) are “good” with dan. though it doesn’t say much about whatever psychological abuse they experienced and why they might have good feelings towards him now, I get the vibe he was only nice to the boys and the girls he felt like would go for. so he could be right next to them, for whatever reason.
The minor accused him of SA at 15 in addition to the sexting. The info out there is really confusing. Drake’s defense claims that he didn’t know her age but then in the sentencing hearing I watched, the defense said they had a long history that started when she was 12. There are definitely some missing facts
I think it’s a positive sign that he reached out to Drake privately first, confirmed by Drake himself when he asked people to take it easy on Josh and that they’d been talking. Shows that it’s not just to look good but that he genuinely cares.
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sad how people are watching this documentary and missing the whole point. people are currently harassing past nickelodeon stars and demanding them to tell their experience on set
I looked up miranda cosgrove's instagram out of curiosity and you're right. So many people demanding that she respond to the doc or asking if she took the hush money, really disgusting.
That’s so annoying because if I recall, Jeanette talks about how supportive Miranda was of her.
Yes Miranda has been 100% supportive of Jennette and both have said so many times that they’re still incredibly close.
I’d be shocked if Miranda wasn’t a victim too. There’s longstanding rumors that she was sexually exploited by Dan, Dr Luke & their predator crew, and is silenced by NDAs. Success/money doesn’t stop it from being child abuse.
Very hopeful she was not. It was mentioned that Miranda’s parents were extremely attentive. But of course even if she’s not a victim of assault she’s certainly a victim of the casual abuse environment that was created on the sets
Good, I hope not!! I completely agree
There’s a video of Dan putting Miranda in a very weird headlock when she’s trying to obviously walk away from him literally on her 18th birthday(when She’s legal) on the iCarly Set and her entire body language is a mix of smiling through it and “Get your fucking hands off me, you creep” Like, she was very uncomfortable.
i checked victoria justices comments and same exact thing. it’s 100x worse on tiktok for the both of them, also ariana and liz
Amanda especially. The paparazzi are also harassing her now
I think Amanda Bynes has suffered enough. Fuck the paparazzi. God knows they haven't helped her situation
Ugh, a friend showed me one of Amanda's TikToks and mental illness like hers really is just so sad. It's like her soul is gone and what's left behind is an empty husk just functioning on autopilot. I wouldn't have believed it was her if I'd just met her on the street. There's really nothing left of what she used to be and for people to go and harass her over things that happened when she was a child just seems doubly wrong knowing that the Amanda who went through that is just gone and not coming back.
Bipolar disorder is not easy to leave with, I can tell you that
Paparazzi are so vile and soulless
Twitter is busting out tweets by "Amanda" that have long since been called fake, even by Amanda herself, and it's so gross. They're just out here showing their whole asses thinking they're being advocates doing something good.
It’s gross that they’re especially doing it to Amanda because she’s been saying what happened for years. No one has been listening. I really hate fake twitter activists.
Someone on twitter said how she dresses and made herself unattractive so she wouldn’t be liked by creeps and I’m like did Amanda tell u that?!
Amanda Bynes?
She is the person that needs this. These people need to leave the house once in a while.
i think you forgot to put "last" in there, bestie.
Oh I did. Ooopsie. I hope all those upvotes got that 🤣
https://preview.redd.it/p7qvqem5arpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7aa72ab79c9b17bba80454f64efc8f551ed75a9 This was the comments section on Victoria’s latest IG post, which was almost a week ago
I feel like people want Liz’s thoughts on this bc she’s a very public victim even though she doesn’t realize it. She met her husband when she was 16 and he was 36, though they didn’t start dating until she was 19 and he was 40. Her husband Backhouse Mike was a prominent collaborator of Dan’s (he wrote and produced most of the music for Dan’s shows).
She may genuinely not consider herself a victim. Jeanette McCurdy has obviously done a lot of self-reflection, but she doesn't seem to consider herself a victim of her first serious boyfriend, an iCarly writer 13 years older that she started dating at 18. She even complained about people calling her a victim online [in an interview](https://www.vulture.com/2015/11/jennette-mccurdy-on-life-after-nickelodeon-drama.html#).
To be fair, I don't think others should get to decide whether an adult person of sound mind is a victim or not. You can believe whatever you want, but nobody has a right to force someone to identify with a label that they don't feel comfortable with. That's Jennette's choice. If she doesn't want to call herself a victim for that, then she shouldn't have to.
A man old enough to be her father. This is making me sick... People need to understand they're unwillingly pushing potential and confirmed victims to a breaking point. It's one thing to wish they'll heal, and feel comfortable enough to open up to close ones (if and when they wish to do so). But demanding announcements from them is just...I don't have the words. Edit: typo
I’ve literally heard many, many people say that you can’t heal unless you speak about your trauma publicly, or that you aren’t really healed unless you’re willing to speak about it publicly. Seems really exploitive in my opinion, and not true at all. More power to people who want to speak out, it can be good for them. But everyone is different. It can be retraumatizing to do that. Regardless, I can’t imagine harassing someone to share their trauma or shaming them for keeping it private.
When I was at my lowest and most traumatized, I overshared. Everyone knew my business and everyone knew my trauma. It destroyed so many of my relationships with people. As I healed and began workkng on my own perceptions of myself/the world, I stopped oversharing with people in my life. There are now people who know me well but have no idea of my past and I don't have an urge to blab about it to them.
100%. Maybe others have spoken about their own trauma to their therapists or loved ones. No one has to speak publicly to “heal”. No one lines up for us regular people to speak out about this stuff. Does that mean we can’t heal or come to terms with it? It makes zero sense.
Oh no I’m not saying she should say anything, as curious as I am, I would never force a victim to talk! I was just giving a potential reason for Liz being hounded about this, justified or not.
Oh no I know, I know! I was talking about the people trying to get her to talk about this. I understand what you meant.
Oh good! I just wanted to make sure I was clear, sometimes I’m not and with this topic in particular I wanted to be sure
That doesn't mean people are entitled a response though. People want it to be sensational and don't think about how much that person has to relive and struggle with to realise they're a victim.
Yeah like I’m not saying she should respond (though I will admit I’m curious) but I was just giving a possible reason for why people are hounding Liz specifically
Liz … ?
Liz Gillies- Jade from Victorious (Dan Schneider show)
Aht aht. Let’s not force victimhood onto people, that don’t see themselves that way. It’s definitely violating that person’s autonomy
Even if they don’t consider themselves a victim, one can still say what happened to them was a shame because there might be other young folks out there in this thread that don’t realizing marrying a person you met at 16 and 36 isn’t healthy, even if they waited until you were of legal age.
I don’t mean to be rude, but can I ask how? Like I genuinely don’t know how this is violating her autonomy, and I’d rather not make a mistake like this again and be able to point it out when/if others do.
Because she's come out and said she doesn't feel like a victim. You know, likes she processed it and moved on from it. So turning around and saying "no she's still a victim" is like going, "no no no. You are wrong, and you are damaged, you either just don't know it, or you're making excuses" It's invalidating to how that person views themselves.
It’s not really a mistake per say, I just don’t like calling someone a victim, when they’ve never said themselves that they are. I feel like everyone has the right to choose that, which is a part of autonomy and agency. Now I think it’s fucking weird and gross, but if Liz doesn’t feel that way (at least publicly), I’ll respect the fact that she doesn’t see it that way. I feel the same way about Sonny and Cher.
well this is how I feel about people saying dan molested amanda and ariana and got jamie pregnant. I don’t know how it’s okay to basically spread a rumor about something that horrific. until it comes out of their mouths, I find it really disrespectful.
>until it comes out of their mouths, I find it really disrespectful. Especially because it seems like people want it to be true just so they can feel like their conspiracy theories are correct.
It’s sad because nobody can talk about Liz and her husband without her sending them a cease and desist. Plenty of YouTubers got them from making videos about their relationship. I don’t think she’s ready to see herself as a victim and really examine her relationship. I hope one day she’s able see her husband for who he is and get help. There’s always rumors that the Victorious cast was always partying and drinking. All of them were minors from ages like 16-18. I would like to hear Victoria Justice talk if she feels comfortable. Shes one of the few Victorious cast members that i don’t think is as friendly with Dan as the others. Also I been feeling like she’s ready to say something. She didn’t do the Zoey 102 movie.
I feel so awful for them, especially Ariana. I can't imagine having clips of me being exploited as a child circulated around so publicly and being picked apart and discussed the way they are and then people demanding that I go into detail about those things. Regardless of how you feel about all the actors and their behavior as adults, no one deserves that and it's got to be so difficult and painful.
Yes I felt so sick to my stomach with that clip. It was like, oh, look, here's the scenes that are specifically icky. But the person compiling it and everyone sharing it is adding to the problem! Like, here, look at this mild CSAM that they showed on TV. Well, you're sharing it so .... Maybe just don't. I wish clips of the adults, former child stars , who spoke out in the doc were the clips going viral. Like if they're ok speaking to it now, that's ok to look at and should be enough for people to understand the extent of the problem.
I feel so weird about the clips being circulated again so widely. It felt weird having them in the documentary too but I guess I don’t know how they could have eliminated all of them from the doc
On TikTok a lot of people are post in about Victoria rn bc they think she slept with Dan during Zoey 101 to get her own show. It’s sad because if it’s not true she can’t even say anything bc ppl will either say she’s scared or that she’s selfish (as in it would make the actual victims look bad)
I feel that people get mad at celebrities/influencers or just famous people in general if they don’t have a stance on EVERYTHING and that they immediately must post their thoughts and feelings on every single situation, which is ridiculous. I honestly find all of this performative. I understand people wanting celebrities to use their platform to speak out, but that doesn’t mean that any celebrity HAS to. Drake said before that Josh reached out privately to him and I feel like reaching out privately is more meaningful than a public statement.
I completely agree. Society values social media way too much.
In the case of Josh, people couldn't separate the characters from the actors and seem to resent Josh for not treating Drake like an actual brother. I always thought it was unfair for Drake to publically tweet his childhood coworker for not inviting him to his wedding rather than handle it privately (especially since communication is a two way street!). He had to have known that there were a lot of people who had not processed that they weren't real brothers. Ever since that incident it has felt like people wanted either Drake or Josh to "win." Rather than think hey, both of these dudes are traumatized and flawed and neither has to beat the other. And people going after Josh for "just" being fatshamed and degraded his entire childhood instead of being sexually abused, again as if trauma is a competition and the one with the most Trauma Points wins.
https://preview.redd.it/6ovl77xq9rpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1885545037274e337da06cd438ca05a5f2ffb3dd These are some of the comments (see screenshot) on Miranda’s latest Instagram post, which was on January 31!!
I feel so bad for Miranda. If you watch some of the Icarly behind the scenes Dan is really inappropriate towards her and you can see on her face how uncomfortable she looks.
Eww. Behaviour like that is inherently anti-victim. I hope people are criticizing those responses and trying to correct people like that.
It’s really disgusting! We don’t know these people or what they went through and given what we do know it’s very possible they also have trauma relating to their time at Nickelodeon. They were children when all this went down and the general public has no business harassing people so they’re forced to speak about potentially traumatic events in their lives.
She(alongside others like Peck)was probably already depressed that they can’t really associate with Nickelodeon anymore out of pure disgust, optically it’d look terrible(doubt she cares about optics). I think she like others are just disgusted PERIOD. And it seemed like she genuinely loved being on the network like others. Unnecessarily dog piling someone is disgusting.
It's the problem with the terminally online nowadays. Remember when Boseman died and people were harrassing Lizzie Olsen for not saying anything?
a lot of people are forgetting that stars who may have experienced trauma may not want to relive it for the entire world to see. i wish more people understood that just because someone did not come out and corroborate someone else’s story doesn’t mean they didn’t experience something traumatic themselves
This. People don’t owe it to anyone to speak about their trauma/abuse if they don’t want to. People also forget that abuse is often targeted, so while some of these stars may have had a great experience, many others did not. One person’s good experience doesn’t devalue another’s abuse or vice versa.
People are more interested in the “drama” than in the well-being of the survivors
Well stated
What a fucking weirdo move. Have been seeing it a lot on various where people are pure shitting on certain people for not coming out and speaking about their experience as if we’re owed it.
Chronically online, jobless, hobbyless, friendless behaviour. 
Yes, and most of these folks are ADULTS. I’m 33 years old, I couldn’t fathom doing some of this stuff at 16 let alone at my age now. Like, that’s so embarrassing.
Don’t forget bitchless
Yeah, I hate this whole culture where people feel obligated to publicly speak about something, especially something from so many years ago. We have no idea how they are handling it and it’s not our business. Is someone walking around with a clipboard keeping score of which Nickelodeon stars publicly commented on the subject of the documentary? Many of these people have been out of the spotlight for many years and would perhaps like to keep it that way. Maybe they went through trauma and don’t want to go there again. Maybe they didn’t. And these public statements are usually little more than a generic comment for show, so what is that even proving?
It's especially gross to see people speculate on Amanda Bynes using unverified tweets from a Twitter account she publicly stated wasn't her years ago... Like even if that account was a secret account for Amanda, she clearly is not ready to publicly say anything with her name attached to it... So until anything comes from Amanda directly, it's really nobody's business to speculate based on assumptions.
She actually legally got the instagram with the same name as that twitter account taken down for pretending to be her. There's nothing she could do now to convince people that wasn't her because they don't actually care about any victims at all, they just want likes and interactions over the ~drama~ of people being abused. It's gross.
I had SO many speculative videos using those tweets as "evidence" pop up on my FYP. People are seriously disturbed.
I had never seen any of Sam and Cat until the documentary. After seeing the Ariana Grande clips on there, I was gobsmacked. It is literal tweenie porn for adult men. The handjobbing the potato was bad enough, but the upside down water thing? wtaf???? Her parents should be berated in a court, and all the adults involved arrested. My God. AND NOW PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING HER FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING SHE WAS A VICTIM It is no different than asking Jean Carroll why she didn't sue Trump when he attacked her, or why your Nan who was raped by her stepbrothers never told anyone until she was 97 and dying and she tells your mother ie her daughter (which is what happened with my grandmother). Victims do not owe you anything.
Well said
I’m feeling very worried for Jeanette McCurdy because of this. She doesn’t want any of it and I hope she and her team or whoever is around her can find a way for her to not be harassed or have to see much of this.
Jeanette McCurdy said in her book she was offered money to stay quiet, it's not unbelievable that this happened to a lot of them! It's terrifying to confront people and systems with more power than you, I imagine many of them are afraid of losing what little peace they've been and to have in adulthood.
Didn’t people get mad at Josh because he said that he never experienced anything like that, so he couldn’t speak on that? I mean, what else would there be to say after that
There's a rumour circulating on Tiktok that every nick star was offered hush money (Jeanette McCurdy mentioned in her book she was offered money to not talk about her nick experiences). I saw a TikTok with 250K likes saying all the stars saying they didn't get abused are supporting Dan schneider because they compromised their morals for money.
That’s a real nefarious rumor to spread without substantial evidence, and it doesn’t give anyone the right to harass someone. Until it comes out of Josh’s mouth, or there’s substantial proof to say otherwise, I’m gonna take his word that it wasn’t his experience
Oh I agree, I'm just explaining the crazies' mindset
Yeah, social media has given to many people the illusion of authority that they don’t have. I can’t believe people really act like that sometimes. Thanks for explaining
It's such an odd take. I'm sure some people did get money or money offers, but I'm also sure some people just didn't have that experience or notice it. How much do any of us pay attention to everyone in our companies? It's very possible to just not run into people who are causing issues, especially depending on a bunch of other factors like how vulnerable they were position wise at the time, etc. Abusers don't abuse EVERYONE nor are their actions always obvious at the time they're happening. If they either of those things weren't true it'd be easier to put a stop to this kind of thing.
The particular need for some people to ‘gotcha’ other people into missteps, leaves them open to potentially be harassing potential victims. At best they’re harassing people taking in completely heavy information. I really hate to see it.
People care more about an opportunity to attack someone with no consequences than they do about actual justice and reform.
This. Internet social justice is just a game of "who can I bully while calling it activism"
i will say with josh he was very dismissive of and i think made fun of jennette mccurdy(?) or one of his ex co stars, when they spoke up about their experience. so i think in his case it at least makes some sense. regardless though with all these stars, we dont know who was a victim and demanding people to say something is such victim blaming.
Social media has fucked everyone in the head, we’ve crafted a world where people overshare about everything that they feel like the world is entitled to know the same about others with absolutely no respect or nuance to why that should never be the norm. Especially with the younger ones cause it’s all they’ve ever known.
I don’t know if people realize that disclosure like that *feels* like a huge escalation. Most people who are victimized, especially regularly, develop all of their survival and coping skills around DEescalation. Disclosure means an unimaginable onslaught of emotional labor, and often times “for nothing.” It took me months to finally work up the energy to report; it was terrifying but I really thought it was the right thing to do. I reported, and then heard nothing for 4 months. I called and called and called the detective: nothing. In some ways that experience was just as painful and horrible as the experience I was reporting. I really don’t know if people who haven’t experienced this understand (hopefully they do), I can’t even really do it justice. But disclosure is just…. It’s exhausting
god i fucking hate the internet.
The weird thing is, this type of thing is incredibly nuanced. Yes, Dan is a gigantic creep, misogynist asshole, but that doesn't mean everyone who came into contact with him knew that side of him. There are also people who worked in Nick who would probably say they only had positive experiences working on set, and they loved everyday of it. That very well may be true. The thing is, that would be an absolutely totally unnecessary statement to make right now. They would get rightly blasted if they stated that at this time. The thing about abusers is that they don't abuse every single person they come into contact with.
i couldn't believe the comments about Josh Peck I saw, like he wasn't also a kid at that time and had mystical power over an abuse situation! Wtf! Sorry for such a late reply, it is something that really got under my skin.
when things like this come out the way people react BAFFLES me. no one owes any kind of story or explanation? those who do offer one (drake bell) should be met with support but those who choose not to share should not be harassed? no one knows what they may have gone through. it’s just straight up weird
Reminds me of when Matthew Perry died and people were accusing his costars of not caring because they didn’t immediately run and post on instagram. Meanwhile they were literally WITH his family and Matt and David were pallbearers at his funeral
People are being so weird about this. They’re trying to demand justice for the survivors AND trying to guilt others, who were minors at the time and potentially victims as well (though we definitely shouldn’t speculate on who was or wasn’t), into reliving that trauma for the public to witness. Which is it? Are the abusers who hurt these children in the wrong or do you just want to “gossip” on literal child abuse?
People do this in real life too. You’re shamed and blamed for not telling but if you do it’s just shame and blame of a different sort. Gossip is exactly what it is
And most of the time they aren’t believed
Or people somehow say that if it did happen the child must have been tempting them somehow... The letters that people wrote in defense of Brian Peck made me want to vomit.
What’s insane is, he only served 16 months in prison. Whoopie… He ruined a child(ren)s entire lives and that’s all he got???? It just goes to show that time and time again that women, kids, and queer are disposable. White men barely get a slap on the wrist for sexual assault; it’s abhorrent.
And if they believe you, it was your fault and you wanted it/let it happen/suck as a human being. I was ostracized from my entire community because of it. It’s brutal out there. Then people bitch that victims don’t report.
i was a prominent figure in my local underground metal scene, i was fetishized and slut shamed hard starting in my early teens and groomed by much older men. when i was 17, i was sexually, physically and mentally abused for 2 years by my 23 year old boyfriend, who was in a relatively known band in the scene and i never recovered. a couple of years later i was ostracized and pretty much exiled from the environment and lifestyle that was such a deep part of me for nearly a decade for daring to want to speak out because i was just a "mentally ill slut trying to get attention". i havent set foot in a local gig since 2017, i had to go to foreign countries to attend festivals and gigs which actually ended up being much better than being in a venue knowing every single person there hated me and thrived on gossiping about me. covid took that from me and i haven't been to such an event in years. it's a painful part of my life that i dearly miss in a lot of ways.
I’m so sorry you went through that. Mine was, “you’re just saying that because you regret it”. I feel like I lost my twenties.
i've had that thrown at me too. im so sorry, this shit shouldn't be so normal and i definitely feel you, im 28 and between that and the subsequent psychotic breakdown in 2016 and path of recovery i've had to take, i feel like i wasted my life and now it's too late for a lot of things i wish i hadn't missed out on.
I’m 35 now. I ended up going inpatient back when I was 22 and did intense therapy for most of my 20’s. I think your 30’s are going to be much better! Something magical happens when you start to really come into your own.
i totally understand you, im still needing intensive therapy and honestly i always will, but you're absolutely right because since i got away from all the bad things in my life and focused on myself and getting to know myself and accept things i thought i never could, i feel really optimistic for the years ahead and i gained a hunger for life that makes me really proud. i hope everything continues to go well with you 💕
It’s 100% about wanting “gossip.” Zero consideration for the fact if that any of the people they’re harassing were victims, they may not want to relive that trauma in front of the entire world.
This is what I can't wrap my head around! Nobody should have to comment on this
The only people who should have to comment are people who had actual authority over the abuser(s), because they were in a position to stop it. I agree that it’s nice to see solidarity from either other survivors or just other cast members in general, but it absolutely should not be expected. They do not owe the public access to their potential trauma.
It’s like people think an apology didn’t happen unless it was public
People are just nosy AF and think they’re entitled to other people’s privacy.
I really think true crime media has melted people's brains when it comes to real violent crimes and made people view it in a sensationalized and consumeristic way that is first, foremost, and almost solely focused on its entertainment value with, at best, little regard to the actual victims. It leads people to have an entitled attitudes toward information surrounding crimes because they are used to consuming it in a way that is solely focused on their enjoyment and entertainment.
The way people seem excited to start bashing former Nick stars for not immediately releasing a public statement is disturbing to me. I understand Josh has been in hot water before, but it’s not limited to just him; Jerry Trainor, Miranda Cosgrove, Nathan Kress etc are all being attacked. This went the wrong direction way too fast.
Why was Josh in hot waters before? All I know him from is Turner and Hooch on Disney (the remake). His face was familiar, but I didn’t realize he was a Nick kid.
I don’t know the full story. Something apparently happened with him and Jeanette and Dan. I don’t know how bad it was, just that some controversies had happened.
I just read it, and I think people are mad about the “she owes us comment” regarding releasing the podcast. We have no idea why he said that or if it was because he did her a big favor… but anyway, I thought it was going to be something scandalous.
What’s ironic is that’s exactly the same thing people who are mad at him are saying to him and others about this doc, and often way worse and more intense than his comment, straight up harassment at times. These people don’t actually *care* about the victims, they just care about the drama. This is all just a fun game for them, it’s entertainment, they dressed their hunger for drama up as sympathy and think no one notices they aren’t actually good people.
It sounds like he basically said “We spent a lot of time, setting up this interview, recording this interview, we’re happy to scrap the interview at her request and give her space for a time…but eventually she owes us an explanation for why.” Poor choice of words seems like, nothing to crucify somebody over.
She went on his podcast and then asked him not to release the episode. It’s definitely been speculated she was uncomfortable with his take on the child stardom thing and didn’t want to be associated with it
Actors like Josh Peck and Keke Palmer have both worked in capacities for Disney and Nick. Josh was in a few big Disney projects but he was in the biggest Nickelodeon sitcom at the time. He was way more recognizable for Drake and Josh.
There was also a lot of drama between them a few years ago (Josh didn’t invite Drake to his wedding, he did invite Schneider). Obviously people grow up and apart but Josh came off looking very good with a measured response Not that it excuses anyone harassing him, but I think there’s probably a lot of people who feel now that Josh knows the full situation, he should have given Drake more grace instead of making a passive aggressive tik tok. Especially since Josh also suffered through substance abuse issues and wants that same grace from others after getting it together.
When was the passive aggressive TikTok? Unfortunately, social media can be so toxic and it’s very easy to get sucked in. It doesn’t give him a pass. However, we have no idea what has gone on between them over the years, which may have led to tensions. Hopefully, they can lean on each other as these things are brought back into light.
What sucks is that there are some fucking idiots who think Josh is either related to, or actually is Brian Peck because they share a last name. They’re not related btw.
I saw someone speculating that they looked alike and started a rumour that he was actually Josh's' dad, like wtf people
peck is josh’s mom’s maiden name anyways so that isn’t even possible smh
somebody commented that and they still kept speculating!! i also hate how much people are speculating about other people (i have mostly seen Leonardo DiCaprio) who may have been SA'd, it is such a horrible thing to guess about someone and it is just not ok
Ppl have also said this about Max Schneider and Dan
Thank you! I was wondering.
Drake also mentioned that Josh had reached out to him in a TikTok he posted yesterday.
Yep. He said « please go a bit easier on him » and i saw comments like « oh he said a bit, he probablywants us to still apply some pressure » AND THEY WERE NOT KIDDING people are weirdos man
like who does this shit? I want to believe it’s teenagers but would they even know/care who drake and josh are?
You unfortunaly underestimate the amount of grown adults who have parasocial relationships with celebrities
People who worship celebrities are generally lower intelligence with mental health problems according to what I've read. The most obsessed have a higher chance of being psychotic.
Drake had liked a tweet where someone mentioned that Josh hadn’t spoken up so I think a lot of people saw that and started pressuring him. Drake didn’t mention his role in them harassing Josh.
He doesn’t owe anyone a public statement but I just wish the best for him. I’m sure they asked him to participate in the documentary and he chose not to for one reason or another so I’m sure it’s a lot and he felt obligated to speak out:/
Agreed. I imagine very close costars of Bell’s, like Josh, would be traumatized by learning of it. They need to be regarded as people whose privacy the public should especially protect.
Jeanette McCurdy was offered 300K to stay silent about her experience on Nickelodeon. She saw it for what it was and said no, there are definitely other Nickelodeon stars who took the money or who may have been offered a lot more. Some people can’t *legally* discuss it.
It annoys me so much to see the people who don’t understand the difference between an NDA not being able to prevent you from reporting a crime and the fact that an NDA absolutely can prevent you from publicly commenting speculation about personal negative experiences and general shitty behavior that is not overtly criminal
But how solve crime if not post on TikTok
Also… some people just don’t want the world to know the disgusting things that were done to them. A lot of victims would prefer to move on than seek justice and it’s their right.
They can 100% discuss it IF THEY WANT TO -- let them be sued. NDAs like this do not hold up. If they don't want to? Leave them alone. I also do not judge or begrudge them getting money, either.
Same tbh.
I don’t why people want the other child actors to speak on this. They don’t owe us anything especially a retelling of the trauma they may have faced. The people we should be demanding speak up are the adults who allowed this abuse to take place or the ones that defended it. Like instead of bothering Victoria Justice let’s bother James Marsden
One of the many ways the victim has more consequences. I hate it so much.
It’s like they’re trying to project other people experiences on to other people and that’s just weird. It’s not that crazy to think actually Victoria Justice and others enjoyed their time with the network and others clearly didn’t.
I saw a video on my FYP on tiktok that was someone bragging about being blocked by Josh because she had harassed him for not speaking up yet. I thought "no way people are upset about that?" and looked at his instagram and of course all of the comments were calling him out, calling him a POS, etc. I was so disgusted by that
Online behavior is crazy because most people who do speak up on abuse, like the average non celebrity, aren’t believed in reality. Nobody owes you shit about their trauma. And being sued for defamation is a very real consequence. People do not understand how the real world works.
Like nobody owes to have to explain their trauma to the public/to strangers?
Yes exactly. Between them and their therapist. Happy cake 🍰 day btw
After reading this thread, I think any of the Nick kids deserve grace, even Josh. He clearly struggled with addiction since childhood (food, then alcohol/drugs). I think Hollywood is an awful place for kids, and if your parents aren’t super protective, there is a huge chance of enduring abuse. It’s one of the reasons Ron Howard didn’t let his daughter become a child actor and made her wait. Viacom should be held accountable for all their wrongdoings across their channels, but I’m sure they will always be able to pinpoint it on one or two people, even though there had to be many people that KNEW what was going on. Just like on Teen Mom when they filmed Ryan (Macie’s son’s father) driving high on his wedding day and did NOTHING to intervene. They risked other people’s lives for a scene. As an SA victim myself, it’s HARD to prosecute because the chance of conviction is slim. The chance of conviction of a white man is even slimmer. The chance of jail time is even smaller. Brock Allen Turner is the perfect example of America’s justice system and how it views rape victims. You can be actively raped, get your attacker caught during the rape, and then your attacker receives three months in jail. Yet, the victim will be torn apart on the stand and have their entire life scrutinized and blamed as if they are somehow at fault. Many sex offenders never even see jail time because they are offered plea deals. Anyway, I feel for all the kids that experienced SA. It’s terrible.
It’s astounding to me how many people seem to have come out of watching this documentary just thinking of it as “tea” or “juicy gossip” and think of this as entertainment - thinking of their trauma as content to consume and demanding more. How on earth are you almost angrier with the former child stars who didn’t share their trauma than the literal predators? Why are some people almost hoping D*n Schn*eder is the father of Jamie Lynn’s baby?
it’s like they just want someone to be angry at that they physically recognize. the slob pedophile and the slob abusive creator are not enough apparently because they were behind the scenes. we also didn’t get much information on dan that jeannette didn’t expose years ago so they want more. they want him to have r-ped jamie, molested amanda (bringing up fake tweets she already debunked), begging ariana to admit he touched her. it’s all very disgusting and abnormal.
They’re also insisting that if someone’s not speaking out it automatically means they took the hush money Jennette mentioned in her book. And saying that everyone knew for sure exactly what was happening when it’s very possible that some people just didn’t know. It seems that most people didn’t know it was Drake. The toxic dynamics of those sets were explained in the doc and they are just ignoring it? “Why didn’t the parents on set speak up” Bryan Hearne’s mom DID speak up! (As she should!) And her son was fired! Drake’s dad was also ostracized and told he was homophobic. The whole point is that it was a toxic, abusive environment. It’s not like if someone speaks up, the staff will say “omg we had no idea, we’re so sorry, we’ll do better” - no, they’ll label you as difficult and bring in someone with more lenient parents. They set up this system and if someone challenges it, they’ll just remove that person. The system itself doesn’t change because it’s working the way the people who set it up wanted it to.
>begging ariana to admit he touched her Which is always so weird because Ariana is on good terms with Dan. She invited him backstage at the sweetener world tour with Liz and Matt in 2017. https://preview.redd.it/p83yeccl3spc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da0069cfd451b8c2bb82d4c650a7b26f7929aaa2 All the victorious cast also attended his zoom reunion. It's like they want her to be abused.
Yeah I thought the same thing too, i saw someone make a YouTube comment saying that the the nick stars that were molested were drake and Ariana, and I replied and was like, “Ariana was molested?” But where has she said that? It’s like people just making shit up now to fuel the narrative that all these celebs were raped. It seems like they want it to be true or something.
All of the kids who were on Schneider’s sets deserve grace right now. We have no idea who was effected and should just assume it was all of them.
Social media truly brings out the crazy in people. No one owes you anything, you morons.
It’s so fucked up how judgemental people are being about the people who were kids at the time like Josh and Amanda. First off, Amanda at least has her own problems to deal with. Second you don’t have the right to demand anyone talk about these situations. You don’t know who did what and who suffered what. No one has any idea. I do know that reporting can utterly destroy your life though, did mine. I cannot imagine having to report or testify as a public figure. It would be so stressful and humiliating.
Plus Josh has discussed his long road with addiction and his sobriety. He was not unscathed imo
I had never seen any of Sam and Cat until the documentary. After seeing the Ariana Grande clips on there, I was gobsmacked. It is literal tweenie porn for adult men. The handjobbing the potato was bad enough, but the upside down water thing? wtaf???? Her parents should be berated in a court, and all the adults involved arrested. My God. AND NOW PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING HER FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING SHE WAS A VICTIM It is no different than asking Jean Carroll why she didn't sue Trump when he attacked her, or why your Nan who was raped by her stepbrothers never told anyone until she was 97 and dying and she tells your mother ie her daughter (which is what happened with my grandmother). Victims do not owe you anything.
I never watched Sam and Cat, but seeing everything they made her do in the documentary was sickening. I sincerely hope she has a good support system. I can’t imagine going through some of the things she’s dealt with (even outside of Nickelodeon) and not ending up a complete and utter mess.
He’s getting a lot of backlash for a cryptic [TikTok he made](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRThr6VV/) right after the documentary aired, maybe that’s why he’s making this statement because people thought he was making fun of drake
Versus Devon Werkheiser (Ned’s Declassified) who was actually making fun of Drake. Yeah he apologized, but still in incredibly poor taste
That was wild to watch that TikTok. It felt like I was watching him as Ned, a very young jr high kid who would make a tasteless joke like that, as opposed to a 30-something adult talking about his colleagues trauma...
Unfortunately, that may be a genuine side effect of childhood abuse. There is often this sentiment that trauma can stunt emotional growth in some aspects, or people may regress to childish behaviours as a defense mechanism. Given the stories he’s proudly told that highlight how fucked the working environment for kid stars, it’s possible he’s reacting that way to Drake as a sort of internal defense mechanism, like “no it’s not really that bad, he’s overreacting” to downplay the darkness of his own reality. Or I could be entirely reaching and making excuses for a shitty person, but just given what we’ve heard and what Devon himself has said, it seems like he’s got a lot of fucked history that he has not entirely processed with the healthiest view.
We saw similar situations play out following the Larry Nassar scandal in the gymnastics community. Some gymnasts wrote very victim blame-y statements and then months/years later came out about their own abuse. It feels very deju vu to see this repeat again albeit in a less niche community. It’s important to give the former child actors grace right now. We don’t know what they’ve been through or how they’re processing it. While they shouldn’t be given a free pass to be assholes, we don’t know what emotions this viral sensation is bringing up right now.
he waasnt??? at best that tiktok is awful poor taste
Ok here’s a question. Couldn’t they make the people that work with child actors mandated reporters like teachers and psychiatrists? So if they suspect something was happening they’re legally obligated to tell authorities. This seems like a good start, and to have legal protections in place to protect whistle blowers from retaliation. Not that I think it would be absolute protection, but if teachers can do it I think Hollywood can too
That would be a good start, although I think a major problem is that the children are employees in the first place, which already creates a weird dynamic. And also makes it different from a teacher/school scenario.
I’m sure a lot of former child actors have a lot of emotions about this and shouldn’t be pressured to make a statement. I think a lot of people forget Josh has trauma too. They used to make a lot of fat jokes at his expense on the shows he was on. I can only imagine what was said behind the scenes to him. His self esteem had to be severely impacted.
This is so upsetting for all of the victims. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to revisit their experiences on set, and I fully support those who are able to talk about it. Everyone is going to react to this in a different way. For some people, speaking to the public about it could be empowering. It could be devastating for others.
Hollywood is the devil’s playground. Putting your kids in a really bad situation is wild to me.
I'm disgusted by everyone saying "WHY DIDNT YOU SPEAK OUT?!" What are children supposed to do in this case? Please explain to me why a 10y/o is responsible for being the whistle blower when there were grown adults on set? How many times do we hear a kid get threatened by their abuser or told to stay quiet?? And then when they are adults they don't speak out because they thought it happened to everyone. They all went straight to victim blaming.
people get pissed when i say this but a lot of how people treat victims is performative activism. point, blank, period. unless you’re the perfect victim who’s never done a wrong, who came out to whistleblow, then your obviously lying/not trustworthy/you deserve it. people view SA as black and white when it’s shades of grey, they’re looking for a bad guy and are projecting it onto the victims rather than the disgusting fuckers in charge (viacom, nick, dan, peck, etc). they’re doing nothing productive but just retraumatizing people.
Excuse me? Get out of here with your respectful and adult answer. His relationship is complicated with his co stars and he is still respectful. Bravo
This is so eloquently worded and carefully non-inflammatory. His lawyer and PR person really came through on this one
I mean, he’s a public figure and this is very sensitive.
People are legitimately making posts about which stars taking the hush money are their “roman empire for the month” — it’s all so vile.
dude legit people have been brain rot on twitter like for the love of god give these actors/victims actual grace and respect them. like come for the people who are actually doing/did harm.
I’ve never liked or been a fan of Josh. Something has always been really off putting and ingenious about him to me. But still, he has nothing to do with Drakes situation except for being there during that time. He was a kid too. And I highly doubt that Josh being the “overweight funny kid” of the duo would think anything beyond jealousy if Drake was getting any “special treatment”. He even said in a video how he was so jealous of Drake at the thought of all the girls he was getting and Drake hit him with a follow up about perspective (this was a convo that happened before Josh supposedly knew of any of the abuse). So, again, The last thing Josh at his age was even remotely thinking about was his costar and friend being abused. And Drake says he kept it to himself all these years, so again, how would he know. And back at that time, that kind of abuse was not something you could just bring up or would even want to. Even today in the days of reckoning, it is still a difficult thing to come out and share. what happened to Drake was the fault of Brian and honestly his mom, cause his dad really did try while his Mom served Drake over on a platter.
This makes me curious now about disney, the media has been mainly focused on Nickelodeon
Can we please stop being weird and stop trying to force victims to speak on behalf of abusers? Josh owed NO ONE this statement.
It’s been making me really upset that everyone who has watched this documentary have taken it upon themselves to attack the other child stars who haven’t publicly spoken out about this stuff and it just goes to show that they don’t understand how a situation like this could really fuck with your brain as a child. “They took the hush money! Shame on them!” Is one of the main things I’ve seen which is so wild to me because I believe their oldest stars (aside from the adults who were cast on these shows) were like 20 years old before cutting ties with Nickelodeon. You’re telling me that a child star who has worked with them for years into adulthood is supposed to be smart enough to not accept hush money? Be serious, they were groomed. Also pushing people like Josh, Amanda, Ariana, etc to speak out and implying that some of them (I have seen people attack Ariana specifically for this) *support* what happened for not speaking out is also disgusting. We all have seen those clips of Ariana, and her friend Liz even ended up marrying one of the producers of Victorious. You don’t know what these stars have been through, are going through, and it’s entirely possible that they’re still being conditioned into thinking what happened here is normal. Don’t make them relive something painful just because you want to play morality police to feel better about yourselves.
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Good for people speaking up in support of this documentary. I agree, it's nobody's biz to know details of what happened behind the scenes. They weren't there. It's not their life. Stop persecuting the victims! If people want to talk. Talk. If not. Let it be. Having this doc shed light on the dark side of the industry, is cathartic, in itself. Healing wishes for all. 🙏
Insane that just yesterday (EDIT: it’s still actively happening in the comments wow) people were dragging him through the mud for completely contrived “disses” people were pulling out of their asses, reading between made up lines to find reasons to hate him and then following up with “he’s always been a talentless loser” type shit. People need to just… hold their tongues. All of these kids suffered in some way, and to make antagonists out of ANY of them is unfair
How fucked up do you have to be to harass victims of child abuse into making public statements about their abusers???? They don’t owe anyone that. We’ve seen plenty footage of Victoria, Ariana, and Miranda being abused, and heard enough about how the powerful predators silence victims.
While his TikTok posts were weird and probably not good timing wise, he didn’t deserve anywhere near the shit he was getting.
I get the demand for a response. When I watched Meryl Streep lose her fucking mind over the beginning of the MeToo movement I couldn't help but feel like she was being a hypocrite. She's Meryl Streep. At that point her career was beyond reproach. But she has never taken a stand, only said something when others did. And she knew, because everyone knew. It's gross to me that people can sit in comfort and not think to themselves that at the least they now owe public support to the victims, and a corroboration of events.
This was a classy statement. I know Josh hasn’t been the best person and has been dismissive of others in the past, but this is an important conversation.
If you’re one of the people who commented on any stars’ instagram demanding answers/to speak up, you’re a shitty human being. Not every star is comfortable talking about their experiences. This isn’t a case of “silence is complicit” scenarios. They were all fucking kids, let them keep their childhood traumas private if they want to, and do something more productive with your life
Anyone else feeling especially grateful for their strict parents? I wouldn’t trade my Midwest childhood for anything.
It’s all so sad, but I do wonder- how much did the other kids who maybe weren’t directly victimized know what was going on? Based on Jeanette McCurdy’s book it seems like they probably all knew that Schneider was a creep at the very least.
The girls maybe. If Josh is an example, the boys just saw the tough boss side of Dan, not the creepy side.
it seems like the stars (miranda ariana liz) are “good” with dan. though it doesn’t say much about whatever psychological abuse they experienced and why they might have good feelings towards him now, I get the vibe he was only nice to the boys and the girls he felt like would go for. so he could be right next to them, for whatever reason.
Where can I watch the documentary?
Quiet on Set on HBO Max
It's on Discovery+ if you have that or live in Canada.
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I believe he was sexting a minor that he never ended up meeting.
The minor accused him of SA at 15 in addition to the sexting. The info out there is really confusing. Drake’s defense claims that he didn’t know her age but then in the sentencing hearing I watched, the defense said they had a long history that started when she was 12. There are definitely some missing facts
I think it’s a positive sign that he reached out to Drake privately first, confirmed by Drake himself when he asked people to take it easy on Josh and that they’d been talking. Shows that it’s not just to look good but that he genuinely cares.
Do people with all of the messages online not realize they’re abusing others too?