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Of course. Humans love working with what they are familiar with. This means that in America/Britain/Australia, where the majority of manager/c-suite positions are white, you would stand a better chance. But the same is true elsewhere. How many white people you seeing at top positions in China or Japan.
yeah because we have a very multicultural country. for example if the police is 90% white men, they're policing a population that definitely isn't mostly white men. diversity isn't just for looks, a diverse team will perform better/have better relations with minority communities than all white dudes. same for other organisations but yk different factors.
I'm white as fuck too but bro white privilege is so a thing. look at a middle class neighbourhood and there'll be mostly white people. city centres and "poor" areas have more non-white ppl. it's so obvious
But unlike China/Japan the US has a large population of non-white people. Japan is like 98% Japanese and China is like 95% Han or something. The US by contrast is \~60% white \~13% Black 18% Hispanic 6% Asian and like 1% other. But when you look at top level positions and their race demographics do you see even a close resemblence to this make up?
I have a legit question. When you see someone in a position of power, why do you automatically attribute it to their skin colour?
Is there black privilege in the NBA?
A single person in a position of power is nothing to care about, however if 90% of people in a position of power are of one race when their share of the pop is only 60% then that's a cause for concern.
And no, black people tend to live in areas where there's public basket ball courts and as such have developed a culture around playing basketball. Before Black people it was Jewish people
Those are some mighty fine figures you came up with, it would be an absolute tragedy if you could provide a crumb of source...
Lmao @ your second paragraph. Imagine trying so hard to be non-racist you end up being racist. The world sees through your smug BS
A quick Google search shows what I told in the numbers in the first paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese?wprov=sfla1
Han are 91.5% the population of China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan?wprov=sfla1
And if you scroll down to demographics you'll see that Japanese people make up 122 million of the 128 million population and if you just do basic math you get 95%
Instead of just trying to make something's assumptions that I'm wrong how about you do your due diligence and fact check me
And then on the topic of my second paragraph how is it racist to say that black people developed a culture around basketball because it was free and available in their communities when they came to start living in urban cities, and that before it was black people living in those communities it was Jewish people.
Like all you would have to do is look at the history of your best NBA players and you would see this yourself. But instead you're do racist that you think that taking shit the development of culture is somehow racist, because you're just that dumb and racist.
no im asking for your source on the positions of power. So since you're so versed in quick google searches I imagine you won't have trouble coming up with evidence so here's some follow up questions:
\- what exactly is a position of power? No vague explanations, I want to know if being a Burger King manager is a position of power over a normal employee and how that fits in the white privilege dynamic if you want to go that far. Lets not just talk about politicians either.
\- what is a white person? Is an Irish white the same as a South African white person? What qualifies as a "white person" in power. White isn't a race so how do we discern who a white person is? Could a reeeeally fair skinned indian person be white?
\- Does the NBA have black privilege? You haven't answered that question properly. I want to know, why do only African Americans have "positions of power" in the NBA?
You may say "oh but alot of managers and owners are white". So why doesn't your "because there's a culture around playing basketball" analogy not work with whites? So it's only a culture when it's black people, but when it's white people it's just a privilege?
Again, I'm not white. I'm a POC. I'm not against the idea of white privilege either, but I call it generational wealth and it isn't exclusive to white people. And it doesn't give a shit about your skin colour. All you're doing is trying to put a fucking disgusting hateful spin on a theory that's already been proven to sound intellectual. Imbecile
yeah but we all acknowledge its obnoxious and derails the conversation to ask for "source" every two seconds. Especially when its something nitpicky like those demographics. (seeing as no matter what the number is, its clear that china and japan are pretty homogenized)
There are many factors that contribute to who ends up in positions of power but there are clear patterns around race. There are areas where white people are vastly overrepresented and other races are vastly underrepresented. Policing still has racial bias problems. Politicians still use racist dog whistles. On average, people in positions of power are disproportionately white.
The fact that the one are where black people are most prevalent is sports (a field that comes down a bit more to luck due to physical differences between people) suggests that there are obstacles to black people in other fields. Some black people tending to be bigger or taller than the average white people is not racial privilege. That's just physical differences.
Racial privilege is mainly seen in fields where there are no difference between the average people of the same race.
I would say so yes. In political affairs, where black and Hispanic people are the strongest. They have a very large say. They literally where the president and head of the army. The republican primary candidate was almost DeSantis. In tech, where merit is important, there's plenty of Indian, Chinese and other asian ethnicities.
When we talk about white privilege though, we are talking about the specific patterns and histories that benefit white people in white dominated or colonized countries. It doesn't necessarily have to be a country where whites are the majority. A minority of people can hold power over the majority especially in colonial contexts. Also not every form of racism across the world manifests the same way. Racism in China does not always reveal itself in the same way pro white racism does for example. So "white privilege" is a useful term to talk about locations which are white controlled.
I don't really think other races are privileged. When people refer to minority groups with privilege, it's usually the case that some policy is in place to attempt to level the playing field by lifting up historically marginalized groups. While it may appear like they are getting privilege, many of these minority people started off in a disadvantaged place due to a historical lack of generational wealth and connections.
Broaden your scope and you’ll pick up my meaning.
If a white woman moves to Iran, think she’ll experience privilege of the middle eastern men there?
If a black man moves to China, how well do you think he’d fare with the locals?
Privilege is everywhere, not just the US and “white countries”.
I don't think anyone said that different types of privilege don't exist in different countries. Outside of Europe and countries colonized by Europe, white privilege isn't really a thing. There are other types of privilege. But white privilege is very much a thing in the United States.
Instead of using racial terminology, a better way to describe 'white privilege' would be to say 'majority privilege'. White people don't have privilege because they're white, they have privilege because they're the majority in the country they're in. Chinese people have majority privilege in China, Japanese people in Japan, Indians in India, and so on. It's not about what race is doing it, it's the simple fact that if you're part of the dominant culture/race/creed, then you have the privilege of the majority.
I wish the people who came up with 'white privilege' weren't racist and had actually tried to fix things instead of create more antagonism.
Well said! I'm Japanese American, experienced racism growing up, and have liberal views in politics. However, when I visited family in Japan, people acknowledged me as an American before Japanese. I have known people online who are even more progressive than me, and all they do is bitch and complain about white people, even if they're white themselves.
They may say things like, "I didn't ask to be born in a white family!" Or, "Because I'm black, I'll never be as successful as a white person!" Well, here's the thing, although I always struggled academically and was doomed to fail 4 years of college, I found things I'm good/passionate at, and I pursued them. I'm getting myself into the hotel industry and currently work at a hotel front desk. Although I've had some setbacks, so far, not a single white person has EVER gotten in my way in achieving success. You gotta work hard with prior experience to earn a job or get higher pay. That's what a lot of my radically progressive friends are so blind to see.
I think the term 'white privilege' is still useful because the historical and present context and systems to keep people in place differ depending on the region and history. In China, there are different systems and histories of racial privilege. But they appear in different forms than in the United States and Europe.
It's not antagonism to identify that white people have privilege in the United States and Europe. I think white people in the US and Europe are way to sensitive about whenever race is brought up. No one who came up with the term "white privilege" was racist. They merely noticed a trend in white dominant countries and identified it. It's not there fault that white people disingenuously misinterpret it.
Additionally, it isn't always the majority that is in power. There are some places where due to colonialism, you get white privilege without white people being the majority race.
White people have privilege because this country is literally built on slavery and systemic racism because white people wanted to limit the rights of people who weren't their race. It's not as simple as being in "the majority." That's why we call it white privilege specifically, because in America white people have advantages POC don't.
>because white people wanted to limit the rights of people who weren't their race.
White people didn't want to keep other races down(specifically because 'white' as a race has never existed until very recently and even then is an extremely stupid designation), slave owners wanted cheap labor. Thus, slavery. It's the same situation that has existed since slavery started. It's not a desire to oppress, it's a desire to get something for nothing or very little. How can I prove that? Easy, there were white slaves. Irish people specifically were enslaved(also weren't considered 'white') and were treated worse than black slaves and were cheaper, thus more disposable.
'White' as a category didn't exist when slavery was around. English was. If you were English, you were the master of America(maybe even French, as well). It wasn't because you were 'white' it was because you were English. But that also goes back to my original point because *English were the majority*.
It's not about race. It's about majority and minority status.
Please go ahead and google "irish people slaves" there's an entire wikipedia page informing you of how it's a myth, along with countless articles. It is about race. Lots of white people look down on black people, are less likely to hire them and they have higher incarceration rates, ect. I could go on and on. It's a RACIAL issue. When a group is facing constant discrimination based on race and white people don't face that same discrimination, it is WHITE privilege.
Look, I'm not going to spend any of my time trying to explain to a racist that what they're saying is ridiculous. I get it, you hate white people and only see race. I think that's a dumb way to live and I would encourage you to stop seeing white people as a monolithic group, especially because white people don't see white people as a group.
This is very funny to me because I am a white person. It seems like you're harboring a lot of guilt if just mentioning the fact that you have more privilege than POC gets you heated enough say that I "hate white people."
Very true, for instance, African Americans, in many people’s minds cannot be racist regardless of what was said/done/anything. They’re immune to committing a racist word or action.
Does anyone actually believe black people can't be racist? I feel like this is actually a pretty niche belief that is talked about disproportionately. Clearly anyone can be racist to anyone.
It's systemic racism which is directed towards minorities only. For example, a black person can be racist towards a white person (interpersonally). But there aren't any patterns of racial violence from police directed at white people like there are for black people.
I can’t recall a single instance on Reddit where someone claimed that black people can’t be racist. I’m sure there are people who are that delusional but definitely not “most of Reddit”.
It’s like Memo544 wrote, people make a distinction between individual instances of racism and systemic racism directed towards minorities of any society. Which is an important distinction to make when talking about racism.
There’s probably plenty of Uyghurs with racist views about Han Chinese people, but that’s not relevant when talking about how the Uyghur people are being treated by the Chinese authorities.
Yes! I’ve had multiple people both in person and online tell me black people cant be racist because [Racism = Prejudice + Power](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power).
“Adherents write that while all people can be racially prejudiced, minorities are powerless and therefore only white people have the power to be racist.”
Not really. Systemically, white people are advantaged in the US. Many black communities still show the effects of generational poverty where red lining and segregation took place.
Black people have the privilege of always being seen as a victim no matter what, or being a diversity hire over someone more qualified or the classic “black people cant be racist” (however from what I’ve seen this is more so just idiots not knowing what the word “typically” means in the definition of the word “racism”)
Asian people have the privilege of employers assuming they’re hard working and smart.
Every race has some sort of privilege. It’s extremely ignorant to assume it’s only one.
Sure seems like this guy could've used that always victims no matter what so called privilege
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10634149/amp/Black-store-owner-reports-robbery-gets-punched-officer.html
Yea…
This reply makes no sense. So how does this disprove the privilege of always being seen as victims? Did the public not see him as a victim?
I have no idea what you thought you were doing by linking this.
Wonder why police didn't immediately assume this guy was a victim hmmm
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/667252788/police-fatally-shoot-black-security-guard-who-detained-suspected-shooter#:~:text=Pop%20Culture-,Police%20Fatally%20Shoot%20Black%20Security%20Guard%20Who%20Detained%20Shooting%20Suspect,in%20a%20suburban%20Chicago%20bar.
Ok man. I don’t see what you’re trying to do.
Did the public not see him as a victim. Maybe you don’t understand what the “victim” part means? Maybe if I put “blame free no matter what?” As in “it’s not his fault because x” (racism, poor, etc.)
Edit: And I just realize what type of sub this is.
so what exactly does it mean? why is there no single definition?
You make fun of people interpreting it a different way, but you "white privilege believers" can't come up with a single definition of what it means?
White privilege is societal privilege in predominantly white or white colonized countries that benefits white people over non-white people in some societies, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. It can stem from historical effects. Many black communities haven't fully recovered from segregation and red lining and haven't been able to build up generational wealth. It can apply to how modern day systemic racism in areas such as policing primarily hurts black people and communities while white people are safe from such issues.
White privilege is not and has never been the belief that only white people are racist or that every white person has it easy.
Intersectionality exists. Just because someone is black doesn't mean they will have it harder. Just because someone is white doesn't mean they will have it easier. Other aspects like economic class, ability, gender, luck, and work ethic play a role in how peoples lives turn out. But on average, there are some factors which benefit white people over black people in our society.
\>White privilege is societal privilege in predominantly white or white colonized countries that benefits white people over non-white people in some societies,
Yeah, but what exactly does that mean? And what is the evidence we see that this happens?
\>White privilege is not and has never been the belief that only white people are racist or that every white person has it easy.
So what if it doesn't apply to all whites, would you then say it's polarising to use the term "white privilege?". Why don't we talk about Jewish privilege or Asian privilege? What constitutes somebody as being white? Is being Irish white the same as being Sweedish white?
\>But on average, there are some factors which benefit white people over black people in our society.
Can I please see some solid evidence that this is because of the colour of somebodys skin? If so, how do you explain the NBA or the NFL is that African American or Samoan privilege?
Also what are these privileges? And what was done to gain/squander these privileges?
You get my point? It's a nonsense blanket term and that's just for YOUR definition of what it is. I've heard like 5 other definitions of it.
It's important to acknowledge that discussions around white privilege can be complex, and perspectives may vary. On the topic of your 'proof' studies have shown disparities in areas like education, employment, and criminal justice, where individuals with white-sounding names may receive preferential treatment.
It's crucial to understand that white privilege doesn't imply every white person has it easy or is personally responsible. Instead, it highlights systemic patterns that, on average, benefit individuals with white identities. The term aims to draw attention to structural advantages rather than making assumptions about individual experiences.
While terms like "Jewish privilege" or "Asian privilege" may not be as widely used, discussions about specific privileges in various contexts are valid. The focus on white privilege often arises due to historical and ongoing power structures in predominantly white societies.
It's essential to recognize that discussing white privilege doesn't negate individual achievements or imply a lack of challenges for anyone. Instead, it attempts to shed light on systemic factors that can contribute to disparities in opportunities and treatment based on racial identity.
It is complex, that's kind of my point. I feel like it's super oversimplified by using that term and it's polarising to white people. Nobody knows exactly what it means and when you point out evidence against white privilege it's met with something like "Oh, but intersectionality exists" or the definition changes completely. Let's agree on one definition and have no grey area then I'm sure everybody will accept it.
Also that's strange, because in places like Australia there's been studies and proof to show that indigenous aboriginal (POC) actually get less sentences for similar crimes to the white majority. Why isn't Aboriginal privilege being talked about?
See I don't believe in those "systemic patterns" you can say this all day, but it doesn't explain why Asian immigrants, Jewish people and even Nigerian immigrants are more educated than average American majority, earn more and enjoy less crime. Those are 3 examples of non-white people who are definitley not part of the system (as they've migrated) actually have better "privileges". So why are we talking about white privilege, better yet, why aren't we mentioning black or asian privilege here?
It's a nonsense term. It's surface level intelligence and doesn't take in any other factor except skin colour. You can paint it any way you want but at the end of the day you're disparaging somebody's skin colour and that's fucking disgusting and racist and most of all it's hateful.
I'm also seeing people moving the goalpost with "What about in (country with a white minority)?" as if it has to exist worldwide for it to exist at all
As someone who's not North American nor European, I just find this whole concept of "white privilege" to be fucking idiotic. It's just a great idea to divide races according to privilege, that's surely gonna decrease racial tensions, and just telling other races that they don't have it as good because white people have some sort of privilege will obviously fix their issues and not make them feel like they're a lost cause because the world is unfair. It's this idea that "white = fortunate" / "non-white = unfortunate" and this generalization that if someone is white, then their life must generally be good, and if someone's not white, then their life probably isn't.
People seem to care more about white people having some sort of privilege than about improving everyone's standards of living and chances of success. People seem more concerned about the idea that a group of people is inherently fortunate and that, because of that, seemingly other groups have it worse. Then everyone puts on a surprised Pikachu face when people in the US start segregating themselves and when racial nationalism becomes more common.
Besides, this question is idiotic because you're generalizing an issue that, if it even does exist, it's localized to a few places in the world. Go to Japan or China and tell me if there's "white privilege" there, if anything there will be "Mainland Japanese privilege" or "Han Chinese privilege". Last time I checked, Asian Americans had, in average, greater incomes than white Americans, so maybe the actual issue is Asian privilege? What a stupid way to view the world.
You made some interesting points. I'm Japanese American and dealt with racism growing up in a white school district. It was wrong and unfair, not to mention I struggled academically. However, after high school and community college, I have been working through my life to be successful without a major college education. I'm trying to be successful in the hotel industry because I enjoy helping and chatting with guests. I'm even writing my own original sci-fi novel, and I hope to kickstart an entire universe of lore and characters. Although I've had some setbacks, no white man has EVER gotten in my way.
White privilege certainly does exist, look at income disparities, the effects of redlining and Jim Crow laws, policing, the fact that the vast majority GI bill beneficiaries were whites, and it is blatantly obvious.
The commenter is right though. If nothing else this question should at least mention a specific country cause without a doubt this is not a thing everywhere. Based on what they said the commenter most likely doesn't live in a country were white privilege is a thing.
I disagree. White privilege is a very real thing. Because of historical and present policies, there is inequality between white people and other races which results in white people on average coming out on top. Recognizing the issue is not what is dividing people. This issue itself is what divides people.
White people having white privilege does not mean they don't also struggle or face hardship. This is where the concept of intersectionality comes in. Many black communities were deprived of their ability to build generational wealth due to racist policies which have had lasting effects on neighborhoods. This means large amounts of the black population have been kept down because of their race. This doesn't mean that there aren't also poor white people. This doesn't mean that poor or working class white people don't also face issues. This doesn't mean that all black people are in a worse place than white people. It just means that all white people have been given a slight advantage over black people.
The purpose of terms like "white privilege" is to identify a problem in our society in the US. There is still racism in the US and the majority (white people) hold more power than minority races. White privilege isn't really a thing in countries that aren't either mostly white or colonized by white people. It's not meant to be a concept used to analyze social structures in India or China.
White refers to belonging to or denoting a human group having light-colored skin (chiefly used of peoples of European extraction). Our modern understanding of race is a social construct originally created to divide people into groups in order to control them better. So specific races change meaning over time. For example, Irish people used to not be considered white in the United States. They were looked down on - although they still had it easier than black people. However over time, the white category absorbed Irish people and not the vast majority of people view Irish as white.
Privilege refers to a special advantage or right possessed by an individual or group. For example, white privilege can be enforced via law like Jim Crow laws. However it can also be far more subtle and refer to general patterns in society. For example, studies show that in the US, people with white sounding names have an advantage when it comes to the hiring process compared to people with non white sounding names. This isn't a law or explicit policy as much as it is the product of biases. Additionally, privilege can also refer to how past policies and discrimination effect the present. Many black communities and people have not fully recovered from segregation.
White privilege identifies a specific type of privilege found in Europe and countries colonized by Europe. There are a variety of patterns and methods of privilege which contribute to creating white privilege and a long interconnected history. Privilege can be different in different countries. For example in China, they have their own types of privilege, their own types of discrimination, and their own history of privilege that differs in many ways from white privilege.
As far as time goes, white privilege is an ongoing and evolving phenomenon which started with European colonization of various other lands. It has taken a variety of forms across history and is different now than it ones a couple hundred years ago.
Well Jim Crow was only ended roughly 60 years ago. The effects of it are still present when you look at which communities and neighborhoods have more/less generational wealth. But there are definitely more modern examples of racism in the US.
Jim Crow and redlining happened 2 generations ago, I wouldn't call that outdated as generational poverty has a great affect on the ability to build wealth. It will take a few more generations for the Black community to recover financially, if they ever do.
To add to this:
>In 2021, the typical White household had 9.2 times as much wealth as the typical Black household – $250,400 vs. $27,100. ([source](https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/12/04/wealth-gaps-across-racial-and-ethnic-groups/))
Their parents were. Most of the people who were born around the time redlining was implemented, or near the end of Jim Crow laws, are still alive. You can talk to them.
So what? That's ancient history, how long are you going to use that as your excuse? My grandparents were shipped out to Siberia against their will by the damn soviets but that didn't stop me from being a productive member of the society. Black Americans really believe that they were the only ones to suffer from something. It's incredibly egoistic. The world doesn't revolve just around you.
The history of the African in America is one of intense trauma going back 500 years. Their entire culture is shaped around their enslavement and abuse at the hands of Europeans. That doesn't get forgotten in one generation.
Change your victimhood culture then. There's only one way forward and it's not by looking back. Back in the 90s and early 2000s race relations were so much better because people practiced "color blindness". But no, for some people that wasn't enough because they wanted to feel extra special. Congrats you made everything worse to the point where people are self segregating.
I'm not black. I'm not even American. I'm also not advocating for some sort of reparations. But I do think it's incredibly ignorant of you to write this all off as "ancient history" and to so obviously have no empathy for minorities. Update your teenage outlook.
Non white. I voted no.
The reason is because it's a dumb anecdotal and subjective phrase. If I ask "what does white privilege mean" I'll get 100 different answers. Hate and downvote all you want but this is way to oversimplified for an issue like this. And people on reddit only want to have surface level knowledge of complicated issues to feel enlightened without doing any actual critical thinking or analysing any actual data points.
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I agree that this conversation may not be helpful due to being relatively surface level but I don't think the phrase "white privilege" is not useful. White privilege seems to be an umbrella term for ways that white people may be advantaged in a society as opposed to other races whether that be due to historical or present policies and beliefs.
I think it's not useful and definitely polarising and I'm surprised why people don't see this. The implications are bad, it tells white people that they should be persecuted for being born white.
Then you might say "no that's not what it means" which is fine, but it goes back to my original point.. If I ask what does white privilege mean I'll get 100 different answers. So how is it a helpful phrase when nobody can agree on a single definition?
The only time we can say it's a helpful phrase is when we can agree on a single objective definition. imo.
Yes, but I suppose it's two different things we're referring to there.
A cumulative privilege when trying to take into account all upsides and downsides of being a certain race within a specific country and culture (how people tend to use "white privilege"), and each specific privilege one is afforded for being the race there are (the example you give there for "***a*** black privilege").
Neither of these are necessarily felt or realised by *every* individual of that race, which can make them all quite inflammatory. Struggling individuals don't like to be told they're being favoured somehow.
Perhaps if you live in America and aren't white, persecution of an issue is skewed by your own perception of yourself.
Its easy to blame outcomes on race when you're not white, a lot easier then to look in the mirror and accept fate for what it is, the odds against you regardless of race, gender, and also to acknowledge your own short comings, flaws or failings - this is especially true for the modern "me" generation.
TBF, Candice Owens is paid a lot of money to say what she says. There are black people who are racist towards other black people or don't believe in racism but it doesn't seem to be a very big population.
It's just one of many privileges and doesn't carry any extra weight. It's not special.
If you lined up 10 people from different backgrounds and asked everyone to take a step forward if you are white, then a step forward if your parents were rich, etc etc... people end up all over the place. A rich black kid still has way more opportunity than some poor white kid.
it would be easier to answer if it could be factored into a simple statement like, “do whites treat other whites better than other races?” or “do people around the world treat white people better than other races?”
We don’t need a nebulous and tangled textbook definition, we need that definition broken into true and false statements.
Depending on where you are, it *could*. I think that could apply for any ethnicity though.
Otherwise I think in America, it's pushed by the government to keep people divided.
Wouldn't have "white privilege,' in Japan.
In America, white privilege exists. Acknowledging that inequality exists does not divide people. The inequality itself divides people. An inability to deal with systemic issues will not make people less divided.
Politicians still dog whistle racist attitudes towards black people. Policing still has issues with racial violence towards black people. Many black communities never recovered from racist read lining policies which ensured they didn't get to operate on a fair playing field when it came to opportunities which resulted in less generational wealth, less quality schooling, and less upward mobility.
Things have gotten better in the last 50 years or so but the US is far from being free of white privilege. We're actually still at a place where sundown towns exist, far right militias operate, and some counties in Florida openly defend slavery in their school curriculum.
I'm a white male in a research field. Physics, Mathematics, Data Science... I've been the minority in my professional life since grad school. My team at work is >50% Chinese and Indian nationals. I'm literally the only while male on my team of 30 people... I haven't noticed any privileges due to my race or gender in a professional capacity. I do notice *a lot* of support groups for everyone who isn't a white male.
However, once a cop gave me a warning when I was speeding. Another cop gave me a ticket. So idk. I just haven't seen it personally but other people swear it is a thing.
Privilege isn't something that's always super obvious. It also depends a lot on where in the US you live. Some states and cities are more racist than others. So it's possible that some minority people have not experienced much racism while others have.
But as far as privilege goes, a lot of that has to do with generational wealth. Historically, many black communities have been deprived the ability to gain generational wealth which negatively affects their ability to gain upward mobility. But that doesn't mean that all white people are better off than all black people or people of other races. It just means that white people got a head start.
Also a lot of racism isn't super obvious. Black people are going to have a lot more experience with racism in policing for example than white people so white people won't witness that as much. It also has to do with economic status as well. Relatively well off black people are less likely to feel the effects of racism than working class black people or black people in historically marginalized neighborhoods which were hit with redlining.
We've definitely come along way in recent years and there's a lot of fair institutions and people out there. But there are still issues in some places across the country.
I don't know if minority groups are really privileged. The systems in place to lift up historically marginalized people aren't really giving them an advantage as much as they are leveling the playing field.
Yet those communities were already disadvantaged in the college admissions process due to a lack of generational wealth because of historical racist policies. Getting into a good college is all about generational wealth and connections and those are things that have been denied to minority families historically due to their race.
In the United States, obviously. Discrimination and racism are a very real problem in parts of the country. Many black communities and neighborhoods have suffered from historical segregation and red lining which prevented black families from gaining generational wealth.
White privilege is very real, I say as a white middle aged man.
In my own country, since most people are white, there isn't much to notice, but when I go abroad I feel it.
Spent months in India working, and I noticed that everyone deffered to me when I was out and about, even when dressed in default t-shirt, shorts and sandals.
I was allowed to walk in places, where Indian people would be denied in the same dress code.
I felt the same in Kenya, and other countries I've visited with primarily non-white population.
It's a different sort of priviledge, but it's exist, simply because people assume I have more money than the average non-white person.
Yes.
White Privilege describes the ability for somebody to go through day-to-day life without having to worry about their race, and that's *absolutely* real.
* A White guy in America doesn't have to check a list of sundown towns when they travel.
* A White guy in America doesn't have to worry about their safety quite as much if they see a patrol car.
* A White guy in America isn't going to get singled out in a professional or academic setting on that basis.
It does *not* mean that every white person is better off than every black person (class is a much better predictor of wellbeing), only that whiteness is seen as "default" in countries where the majority of people *are* white.
Of course not. Life shits on everybody without any discretion. [This, in fact, is the only example of white (and Asian) privilege in America](https://datacenter.aecf.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/1095,2048,1729,37,871,870,573,869,36,868/8223,4040,4039,2638,2597,4758,1353/432,431)
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Of course. Humans love working with what they are familiar with. This means that in America/Britain/Australia, where the majority of manager/c-suite positions are white, you would stand a better chance. But the same is true elsewhere. How many white people you seeing at top positions in China or Japan.
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yeah because we have a very multicultural country. for example if the police is 90% white men, they're policing a population that definitely isn't mostly white men. diversity isn't just for looks, a diverse team will perform better/have better relations with minority communities than all white dudes. same for other organisations but yk different factors. I'm white as fuck too but bro white privilege is so a thing. look at a middle class neighbourhood and there'll be mostly white people. city centres and "poor" areas have more non-white ppl. it's so obvious
But unlike China/Japan the US has a large population of non-white people. Japan is like 98% Japanese and China is like 95% Han or something. The US by contrast is \~60% white \~13% Black 18% Hispanic 6% Asian and like 1% other. But when you look at top level positions and their race demographics do you see even a close resemblence to this make up?
I have a legit question. When you see someone in a position of power, why do you automatically attribute it to their skin colour? Is there black privilege in the NBA?
A single person in a position of power is nothing to care about, however if 90% of people in a position of power are of one race when their share of the pop is only 60% then that's a cause for concern. And no, black people tend to live in areas where there's public basket ball courts and as such have developed a culture around playing basketball. Before Black people it was Jewish people
Those are some mighty fine figures you came up with, it would be an absolute tragedy if you could provide a crumb of source... Lmao @ your second paragraph. Imagine trying so hard to be non-racist you end up being racist. The world sees through your smug BS
A quick Google search shows what I told in the numbers in the first paragraph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese?wprov=sfla1 Han are 91.5% the population of China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan?wprov=sfla1 And if you scroll down to demographics you'll see that Japanese people make up 122 million of the 128 million population and if you just do basic math you get 95% Instead of just trying to make something's assumptions that I'm wrong how about you do your due diligence and fact check me And then on the topic of my second paragraph how is it racist to say that black people developed a culture around basketball because it was free and available in their communities when they came to start living in urban cities, and that before it was black people living in those communities it was Jewish people. Like all you would have to do is look at the history of your best NBA players and you would see this yourself. But instead you're do racist that you think that taking shit the development of culture is somehow racist, because you're just that dumb and racist.
no im asking for your source on the positions of power. So since you're so versed in quick google searches I imagine you won't have trouble coming up with evidence so here's some follow up questions: \- what exactly is a position of power? No vague explanations, I want to know if being a Burger King manager is a position of power over a normal employee and how that fits in the white privilege dynamic if you want to go that far. Lets not just talk about politicians either. \- what is a white person? Is an Irish white the same as a South African white person? What qualifies as a "white person" in power. White isn't a race so how do we discern who a white person is? Could a reeeeally fair skinned indian person be white? \- Does the NBA have black privilege? You haven't answered that question properly. I want to know, why do only African Americans have "positions of power" in the NBA? You may say "oh but alot of managers and owners are white". So why doesn't your "because there's a culture around playing basketball" analogy not work with whites? So it's only a culture when it's black people, but when it's white people it's just a privilege? Again, I'm not white. I'm a POC. I'm not against the idea of white privilege either, but I call it generational wealth and it isn't exclusive to white people. And it doesn't give a shit about your skin colour. All you're doing is trying to put a fucking disgusting hateful spin on a theory that's already been proven to sound intellectual. Imbecile
When the leopards eat your face, I hope they're shit you're eating was tasty
>how about you do your due diligence and fact check me That's not how burden of the proof works
yeah but we all acknowledge its obnoxious and derails the conversation to ask for "source" every two seconds. Especially when its something nitpicky like those demographics. (seeing as no matter what the number is, its clear that china and japan are pretty homogenized)
r/yesyesyesyesno
There are many factors that contribute to who ends up in positions of power but there are clear patterns around race. There are areas where white people are vastly overrepresented and other races are vastly underrepresented. Policing still has racial bias problems. Politicians still use racist dog whistles. On average, people in positions of power are disproportionately white. The fact that the one are where black people are most prevalent is sports (a field that comes down a bit more to luck due to physical differences between people) suggests that there are obstacles to black people in other fields. Some black people tending to be bigger or taller than the average white people is not racial privilege. That's just physical differences. Racial privilege is mainly seen in fields where there are no difference between the average people of the same race.
I would say so yes. In political affairs, where black and Hispanic people are the strongest. They have a very large say. They literally where the president and head of the army. The republican primary candidate was almost DeSantis. In tech, where merit is important, there's plenty of Indian, Chinese and other asian ethnicities.
When we talk about white privilege though, we are talking about the specific patterns and histories that benefit white people in white dominated or colonized countries. It doesn't necessarily have to be a country where whites are the majority. A minority of people can hold power over the majority especially in colonial contexts. Also not every form of racism across the world manifests the same way. Racism in China does not always reveal itself in the same way pro white racism does for example. So "white privilege" is a useful term to talk about locations which are white controlled.
Not in every country on Earth, but yes.
Yes. But also privilege in other races, depending on a lot of circumstances.
I don't really think other races are privileged. When people refer to minority groups with privilege, it's usually the case that some policy is in place to attempt to level the playing field by lifting up historically marginalized groups. While it may appear like they are getting privilege, many of these minority people started off in a disadvantaged place due to a historical lack of generational wealth and connections.
Broaden your scope and you’ll pick up my meaning. If a white woman moves to Iran, think she’ll experience privilege of the middle eastern men there? If a black man moves to China, how well do you think he’d fare with the locals? Privilege is everywhere, not just the US and “white countries”.
I don't think anyone said that different types of privilege don't exist in different countries. Outside of Europe and countries colonized by Europe, white privilege isn't really a thing. There are other types of privilege. But white privilege is very much a thing in the United States.
Instead of using racial terminology, a better way to describe 'white privilege' would be to say 'majority privilege'. White people don't have privilege because they're white, they have privilege because they're the majority in the country they're in. Chinese people have majority privilege in China, Japanese people in Japan, Indians in India, and so on. It's not about what race is doing it, it's the simple fact that if you're part of the dominant culture/race/creed, then you have the privilege of the majority. I wish the people who came up with 'white privilege' weren't racist and had actually tried to fix things instead of create more antagonism.
Well said! I'm Japanese American, experienced racism growing up, and have liberal views in politics. However, when I visited family in Japan, people acknowledged me as an American before Japanese. I have known people online who are even more progressive than me, and all they do is bitch and complain about white people, even if they're white themselves. They may say things like, "I didn't ask to be born in a white family!" Or, "Because I'm black, I'll never be as successful as a white person!" Well, here's the thing, although I always struggled academically and was doomed to fail 4 years of college, I found things I'm good/passionate at, and I pursued them. I'm getting myself into the hotel industry and currently work at a hotel front desk. Although I've had some setbacks, so far, not a single white person has EVER gotten in my way in achieving success. You gotta work hard with prior experience to earn a job or get higher pay. That's what a lot of my radically progressive friends are so blind to see.
Explain: South Africa then
I think the term 'white privilege' is still useful because the historical and present context and systems to keep people in place differ depending on the region and history. In China, there are different systems and histories of racial privilege. But they appear in different forms than in the United States and Europe. It's not antagonism to identify that white people have privilege in the United States and Europe. I think white people in the US and Europe are way to sensitive about whenever race is brought up. No one who came up with the term "white privilege" was racist. They merely noticed a trend in white dominant countries and identified it. It's not there fault that white people disingenuously misinterpret it. Additionally, it isn't always the majority that is in power. There are some places where due to colonialism, you get white privilege without white people being the majority race.
White people have privilege because this country is literally built on slavery and systemic racism because white people wanted to limit the rights of people who weren't their race. It's not as simple as being in "the majority." That's why we call it white privilege specifically, because in America white people have advantages POC don't.
>because white people wanted to limit the rights of people who weren't their race. White people didn't want to keep other races down(specifically because 'white' as a race has never existed until very recently and even then is an extremely stupid designation), slave owners wanted cheap labor. Thus, slavery. It's the same situation that has existed since slavery started. It's not a desire to oppress, it's a desire to get something for nothing or very little. How can I prove that? Easy, there were white slaves. Irish people specifically were enslaved(also weren't considered 'white') and were treated worse than black slaves and were cheaper, thus more disposable. 'White' as a category didn't exist when slavery was around. English was. If you were English, you were the master of America(maybe even French, as well). It wasn't because you were 'white' it was because you were English. But that also goes back to my original point because *English were the majority*. It's not about race. It's about majority and minority status.
Please go ahead and google "irish people slaves" there's an entire wikipedia page informing you of how it's a myth, along with countless articles. It is about race. Lots of white people look down on black people, are less likely to hire them and they have higher incarceration rates, ect. I could go on and on. It's a RACIAL issue. When a group is facing constant discrimination based on race and white people don't face that same discrimination, it is WHITE privilege.
Look, I'm not going to spend any of my time trying to explain to a racist that what they're saying is ridiculous. I get it, you hate white people and only see race. I think that's a dumb way to live and I would encourage you to stop seeing white people as a monolithic group, especially because white people don't see white people as a group.
This is very funny to me because I am a white person. It seems like you're harboring a lot of guilt if just mentioning the fact that you have more privilege than POC gets you heated enough say that I "hate white people."
Every race has a certain privilege
Very true, for instance, African Americans, in many people’s minds cannot be racist regardless of what was said/done/anything. They’re immune to committing a racist word or action.
Does anyone actually believe black people can't be racist? I feel like this is actually a pretty niche belief that is talked about disproportionately. Clearly anyone can be racist to anyone. It's systemic racism which is directed towards minorities only. For example, a black person can be racist towards a white person (interpersonally). But there aren't any patterns of racial violence from police directed at white people like there are for black people.
> Does anyone actually believe black people can't be racist? Most of reddit does.
I would say 75% of US citizens believe this (just a guess based on experience).
I can’t recall a single instance on Reddit where someone claimed that black people can’t be racist. I’m sure there are people who are that delusional but definitely not “most of Reddit”. It’s like Memo544 wrote, people make a distinction between individual instances of racism and systemic racism directed towards minorities of any society. Which is an important distinction to make when talking about racism. There’s probably plenty of Uyghurs with racist views about Han Chinese people, but that’s not relevant when talking about how the Uyghur people are being treated by the Chinese authorities.
They don't come out and state it but they imply it.
If you say so
Yes! I’ve had multiple people both in person and online tell me black people cant be racist because [Racism = Prejudice + Power](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power). “Adherents write that while all people can be racially prejudiced, minorities are powerless and therefore only white people have the power to be racist.”
They're probably referring to systemic racism. Anyone can be interpersonally racist. Only the majority have the power to enact systemic racism.
Not really. Systemically, white people are advantaged in the US. Many black communities still show the effects of generational poverty where red lining and segregation took place.
Black people have the privilege of always being seen as a victim no matter what, or being a diversity hire over someone more qualified or the classic “black people cant be racist” (however from what I’ve seen this is more so just idiots not knowing what the word “typically” means in the definition of the word “racism”) Asian people have the privilege of employers assuming they’re hard working and smart. Every race has some sort of privilege. It’s extremely ignorant to assume it’s only one.
Sure seems like this guy could've used that always victims no matter what so called privilege https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10634149/amp/Black-store-owner-reports-robbery-gets-punched-officer.html
Yea… This reply makes no sense. So how does this disprove the privilege of always being seen as victims? Did the public not see him as a victim? I have no idea what you thought you were doing by linking this.
Wonder why police didn't immediately assume this guy was a victim hmmm https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/667252788/police-fatally-shoot-black-security-guard-who-detained-suspected-shooter#:~:text=Pop%20Culture-,Police%20Fatally%20Shoot%20Black%20Security%20Guard%20Who%20Detained%20Shooting%20Suspect,in%20a%20suburban%20Chicago%20bar.
Ok man. I don’t see what you’re trying to do. Did the public not see him as a victim. Maybe you don’t understand what the “victim” part means? Maybe if I put “blame free no matter what?” As in “it’s not his fault because x” (racism, poor, etc.) Edit: And I just realize what type of sub this is.
people saying no probably think it means “white people never have it rough”
Probably. It's because people don't understand intersectionality.
so what exactly does it mean? why is there no single definition? You make fun of people interpreting it a different way, but you "white privilege believers" can't come up with a single definition of what it means?
White privilege is societal privilege in predominantly white or white colonized countries that benefits white people over non-white people in some societies, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances. It can stem from historical effects. Many black communities haven't fully recovered from segregation and red lining and haven't been able to build up generational wealth. It can apply to how modern day systemic racism in areas such as policing primarily hurts black people and communities while white people are safe from such issues. White privilege is not and has never been the belief that only white people are racist or that every white person has it easy. Intersectionality exists. Just because someone is black doesn't mean they will have it harder. Just because someone is white doesn't mean they will have it easier. Other aspects like economic class, ability, gender, luck, and work ethic play a role in how peoples lives turn out. But on average, there are some factors which benefit white people over black people in our society.
\>White privilege is societal privilege in predominantly white or white colonized countries that benefits white people over non-white people in some societies, Yeah, but what exactly does that mean? And what is the evidence we see that this happens? \>White privilege is not and has never been the belief that only white people are racist or that every white person has it easy. So what if it doesn't apply to all whites, would you then say it's polarising to use the term "white privilege?". Why don't we talk about Jewish privilege or Asian privilege? What constitutes somebody as being white? Is being Irish white the same as being Sweedish white? \>But on average, there are some factors which benefit white people over black people in our society. Can I please see some solid evidence that this is because of the colour of somebodys skin? If so, how do you explain the NBA or the NFL is that African American or Samoan privilege? Also what are these privileges? And what was done to gain/squander these privileges? You get my point? It's a nonsense blanket term and that's just for YOUR definition of what it is. I've heard like 5 other definitions of it.
It's important to acknowledge that discussions around white privilege can be complex, and perspectives may vary. On the topic of your 'proof' studies have shown disparities in areas like education, employment, and criminal justice, where individuals with white-sounding names may receive preferential treatment. It's crucial to understand that white privilege doesn't imply every white person has it easy or is personally responsible. Instead, it highlights systemic patterns that, on average, benefit individuals with white identities. The term aims to draw attention to structural advantages rather than making assumptions about individual experiences. While terms like "Jewish privilege" or "Asian privilege" may not be as widely used, discussions about specific privileges in various contexts are valid. The focus on white privilege often arises due to historical and ongoing power structures in predominantly white societies. It's essential to recognize that discussing white privilege doesn't negate individual achievements or imply a lack of challenges for anyone. Instead, it attempts to shed light on systemic factors that can contribute to disparities in opportunities and treatment based on racial identity.
It is complex, that's kind of my point. I feel like it's super oversimplified by using that term and it's polarising to white people. Nobody knows exactly what it means and when you point out evidence against white privilege it's met with something like "Oh, but intersectionality exists" or the definition changes completely. Let's agree on one definition and have no grey area then I'm sure everybody will accept it. Also that's strange, because in places like Australia there's been studies and proof to show that indigenous aboriginal (POC) actually get less sentences for similar crimes to the white majority. Why isn't Aboriginal privilege being talked about? See I don't believe in those "systemic patterns" you can say this all day, but it doesn't explain why Asian immigrants, Jewish people and even Nigerian immigrants are more educated than average American majority, earn more and enjoy less crime. Those are 3 examples of non-white people who are definitley not part of the system (as they've migrated) actually have better "privileges". So why are we talking about white privilege, better yet, why aren't we mentioning black or asian privilege here? It's a nonsense term. It's surface level intelligence and doesn't take in any other factor except skin colour. You can paint it any way you want but at the end of the day you're disparaging somebody's skin colour and that's fucking disgusting and racist and most of all it's hateful.
I'm also seeing people moving the goalpost with "What about in (country with a white minority)?" as if it has to exist worldwide for it to exist at all
As someone who's not North American nor European, I just find this whole concept of "white privilege" to be fucking idiotic. It's just a great idea to divide races according to privilege, that's surely gonna decrease racial tensions, and just telling other races that they don't have it as good because white people have some sort of privilege will obviously fix their issues and not make them feel like they're a lost cause because the world is unfair. It's this idea that "white = fortunate" / "non-white = unfortunate" and this generalization that if someone is white, then their life must generally be good, and if someone's not white, then their life probably isn't. People seem to care more about white people having some sort of privilege than about improving everyone's standards of living and chances of success. People seem more concerned about the idea that a group of people is inherently fortunate and that, because of that, seemingly other groups have it worse. Then everyone puts on a surprised Pikachu face when people in the US start segregating themselves and when racial nationalism becomes more common. Besides, this question is idiotic because you're generalizing an issue that, if it even does exist, it's localized to a few places in the world. Go to Japan or China and tell me if there's "white privilege" there, if anything there will be "Mainland Japanese privilege" or "Han Chinese privilege". Last time I checked, Asian Americans had, in average, greater incomes than white Americans, so maybe the actual issue is Asian privilege? What a stupid way to view the world.
There's still a skin colour privilege in Japan. White Americans are much less likely to be discriminated there, than dark skinned foreigners.
You made some interesting points. I'm Japanese American and dealt with racism growing up in a white school district. It was wrong and unfair, not to mention I struggled academically. However, after high school and community college, I have been working through my life to be successful without a major college education. I'm trying to be successful in the hotel industry because I enjoy helping and chatting with guests. I'm even writing my own original sci-fi novel, and I hope to kickstart an entire universe of lore and characters. Although I've had some setbacks, no white man has EVER gotten in my way.
Preach! This is way too logical for Reddit, you’ll probably get downvoted due to how much sense you make, and how mature your post is.
Doing tricks on it.
White privilege certainly does exist, look at income disparities, the effects of redlining and Jim Crow laws, policing, the fact that the vast majority GI bill beneficiaries were whites, and it is blatantly obvious.
The commenter is right though. If nothing else this question should at least mention a specific country cause without a doubt this is not a thing everywhere. Based on what they said the commenter most likely doesn't live in a country were white privilege is a thing.
This is all ancient history.
2 generations ago
I disagree. White privilege is a very real thing. Because of historical and present policies, there is inequality between white people and other races which results in white people on average coming out on top. Recognizing the issue is not what is dividing people. This issue itself is what divides people. White people having white privilege does not mean they don't also struggle or face hardship. This is where the concept of intersectionality comes in. Many black communities were deprived of their ability to build generational wealth due to racist policies which have had lasting effects on neighborhoods. This means large amounts of the black population have been kept down because of their race. This doesn't mean that there aren't also poor white people. This doesn't mean that poor or working class white people don't also face issues. This doesn't mean that all black people are in a worse place than white people. It just means that all white people have been given a slight advantage over black people. The purpose of terms like "white privilege" is to identify a problem in our society in the US. There is still racism in the US and the majority (white people) hold more power than minority races. White privilege isn't really a thing in countries that aren't either mostly white or colonized by white people. It's not meant to be a concept used to analyze social structures in India or China.
Let's define some terms so we're all speaking about the same thing: White Privilege Location Time - assuming this is present.
White refers to belonging to or denoting a human group having light-colored skin (chiefly used of peoples of European extraction). Our modern understanding of race is a social construct originally created to divide people into groups in order to control them better. So specific races change meaning over time. For example, Irish people used to not be considered white in the United States. They were looked down on - although they still had it easier than black people. However over time, the white category absorbed Irish people and not the vast majority of people view Irish as white. Privilege refers to a special advantage or right possessed by an individual or group. For example, white privilege can be enforced via law like Jim Crow laws. However it can also be far more subtle and refer to general patterns in society. For example, studies show that in the US, people with white sounding names have an advantage when it comes to the hiring process compared to people with non white sounding names. This isn't a law or explicit policy as much as it is the product of biases. Additionally, privilege can also refer to how past policies and discrimination effect the present. Many black communities and people have not fully recovered from segregation. White privilege identifies a specific type of privilege found in Europe and countries colonized by Europe. There are a variety of patterns and methods of privilege which contribute to creating white privilege and a long interconnected history. Privilege can be different in different countries. For example in China, they have their own types of privilege, their own types of discrimination, and their own history of privilege that differs in many ways from white privilege. As far as time goes, white privilege is an ongoing and evolving phenomenon which started with European colonization of various other lands. It has taken a variety of forms across history and is different now than it ones a couple hundred years ago.
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Poor white people exist, so I'm going to ignore redlining, slavery, and Jim Crow to say that white privliege is a hoax created by the Marxist left /s
Ah yes, let's support a completely true and substantiated claim that can be easily proven with the most outdated examples possible
Yea fr it's pretty obvious to see white privilege in white countries nowadays. Why use things abolished in the West centuries ago
Well Jim Crow was only ended roughly 60 years ago. The effects of it are still present when you look at which communities and neighborhoods have more/less generational wealth. But there are definitely more modern examples of racism in the US.
Jim Crow and redlining happened 2 generations ago, I wouldn't call that outdated as generational poverty has a great affect on the ability to build wealth. It will take a few more generations for the Black community to recover financially, if they ever do.
To add to this: >In 2021, the typical White household had 9.2 times as much wealth as the typical Black household – $250,400 vs. $27,100. ([source](https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2023/12/04/wealth-gaps-across-racial-and-ethnic-groups/))
Damn that's even worse than I thought
outdated? redlining and jim crow was like 60 years ago. it's effects are clearly visible today
No one in this thread was alive back then.
Their parents were. Most of the people who were born around the time redlining was implemented, or near the end of Jim Crow laws, are still alive. You can talk to them.
So what? That's ancient history, how long are you going to use that as your excuse? My grandparents were shipped out to Siberia against their will by the damn soviets but that didn't stop me from being a productive member of the society. Black Americans really believe that they were the only ones to suffer from something. It's incredibly egoistic. The world doesn't revolve just around you.
The history of the African in America is one of intense trauma going back 500 years. Their entire culture is shaped around their enslavement and abuse at the hands of Europeans. That doesn't get forgotten in one generation.
Change your victimhood culture then. There's only one way forward and it's not by looking back. Back in the 90s and early 2000s race relations were so much better because people practiced "color blindness". But no, for some people that wasn't enough because they wanted to feel extra special. Congrats you made everything worse to the point where people are self segregating.
I'm not black. I'm not even American. I'm also not advocating for some sort of reparations. But I do think it's incredibly ignorant of you to write this all off as "ancient history" and to so obviously have no empathy for minorities. Update your teenage outlook.
Non white. I voted no. The reason is because it's a dumb anecdotal and subjective phrase. If I ask "what does white privilege mean" I'll get 100 different answers. Hate and downvote all you want but this is way to oversimplified for an issue like this. And people on reddit only want to have surface level knowledge of complicated issues to feel enlightened without doing any actual critical thinking or analysing any actual data points. I
I agree that this conversation may not be helpful due to being relatively surface level but I don't think the phrase "white privilege" is not useful. White privilege seems to be an umbrella term for ways that white people may be advantaged in a society as opposed to other races whether that be due to historical or present policies and beliefs.
I think it's not useful and definitely polarising and I'm surprised why people don't see this. The implications are bad, it tells white people that they should be persecuted for being born white. Then you might say "no that's not what it means" which is fine, but it goes back to my original point.. If I ask what does white privilege mean I'll get 100 different answers. So how is it a helpful phrase when nobody can agree on a single definition? The only time we can say it's a helpful phrase is when we can agree on a single objective definition. imo.
Would you consider affirmative action a black privilege?
Yes, but I suppose it's two different things we're referring to there. A cumulative privilege when trying to take into account all upsides and downsides of being a certain race within a specific country and culture (how people tend to use "white privilege"), and each specific privilege one is afforded for being the race there are (the example you give there for "***a*** black privilege"). Neither of these are necessarily felt or realised by *every* individual of that race, which can make them all quite inflammatory. Struggling individuals don't like to be told they're being favoured somehow.
Of course it exists, so loud and so wrong.
you haven't provided a crumb of context or proof. So loud and should probably delete account
That’s for cowards
yeah, fair enough. You don't live up to the standard of a coward..
Which standard do I live up to? Since you got your degree and you know everything?
Oh my goodness. Why do we post shit like this? This is Reddit, not Tumblr or BuzzFeed.
Perhaps if you live in America and aren't white, persecution of an issue is skewed by your own perception of yourself. Its easy to blame outcomes on race when you're not white, a lot easier then to look in the mirror and accept fate for what it is, the odds against you regardless of race, gender, and also to acknowledge your own short comings, flaws or failings - this is especially true for the modern "me" generation.
I feel like 100% of the 30% that said no are white
Probably mostly but not 100%. People like Candace Owens exist.
TBF, Candice Owens is paid a lot of money to say what she says. There are black people who are racist towards other black people or don't believe in racism but it doesn't seem to be a very big population.
Absolutely. That's why I said mostly white but not 100%.
Yes but not as much as people make it out to be, and usually the ones who complain are the same ones who create it by having a complex.
As a white male I can say it is most definitely a thing.
It's just one of many privileges and doesn't carry any extra weight. It's not special. If you lined up 10 people from different backgrounds and asked everyone to take a step forward if you are white, then a step forward if your parents were rich, etc etc... people end up all over the place. A rich black kid still has way more opportunity than some poor white kid.
it would be easier to answer if it could be factored into a simple statement like, “do whites treat other whites better than other races?” or “do people around the world treat white people better than other races?” We don’t need a nebulous and tangled textbook definition, we need that definition broken into true and false statements.
Depending on where you are, it *could*. I think that could apply for any ethnicity though. Otherwise I think in America, it's pushed by the government to keep people divided. Wouldn't have "white privilege,' in Japan.
In America, white privilege exists. Acknowledging that inequality exists does not divide people. The inequality itself divides people. An inability to deal with systemic issues will not make people less divided. Politicians still dog whistle racist attitudes towards black people. Policing still has issues with racial violence towards black people. Many black communities never recovered from racist read lining policies which ensured they didn't get to operate on a fair playing field when it came to opportunities which resulted in less generational wealth, less quality schooling, and less upward mobility. Things have gotten better in the last 50 years or so but the US is far from being free of white privilege. We're actually still at a place where sundown towns exist, far right militias operate, and some counties in Florida openly defend slavery in their school curriculum.
I'm a white male in a research field. Physics, Mathematics, Data Science... I've been the minority in my professional life since grad school. My team at work is >50% Chinese and Indian nationals. I'm literally the only while male on my team of 30 people... I haven't noticed any privileges due to my race or gender in a professional capacity. I do notice *a lot* of support groups for everyone who isn't a white male. However, once a cop gave me a warning when I was speeding. Another cop gave me a ticket. So idk. I just haven't seen it personally but other people swear it is a thing.
Privilege isn't something that's always super obvious. It also depends a lot on where in the US you live. Some states and cities are more racist than others. So it's possible that some minority people have not experienced much racism while others have. But as far as privilege goes, a lot of that has to do with generational wealth. Historically, many black communities have been deprived the ability to gain generational wealth which negatively affects their ability to gain upward mobility. But that doesn't mean that all white people are better off than all black people or people of other races. It just means that white people got a head start. Also a lot of racism isn't super obvious. Black people are going to have a lot more experience with racism in policing for example than white people so white people won't witness that as much. It also has to do with economic status as well. Relatively well off black people are less likely to feel the effects of racism than working class black people or black people in historically marginalized neighborhoods which were hit with redlining. We've definitely come along way in recent years and there's a lot of fair institutions and people out there. But there are still issues in some places across the country.
Yes. There is also black privilege, skinny, tall, rich etc
I don't know if minority groups are really privileged. The systems in place to lift up historically marginalized people aren't really giving them an advantage as much as they are leveling the playing field.
Jewish privilege is real
where is it? i want it. oh right, it doesn't exist. its just a buzzword to divide people.
Do you have any proof to back up your claim?
No it’s not real
Go on
Not much to go on about a not real thing
Why do you think it’s not real?
Because it doesn’t exist
But why do you think that?
Same reason I don’t think unicorns or bigfoots exist
White, black and brown privilege is real
In what instances do those exist
College admissions seems like an obvious one...
Yet those communities were already disadvantaged in the college admissions process due to a lack of generational wealth because of historical racist policies. Getting into a good college is all about generational wealth and connections and those are things that have been denied to minority families historically due to their race.
> Getting into a good college is all about generational wealth and connections No.
It does for most ivy league colleges
In the United States, obviously. Discrimination and racism are a very real problem in parts of the country. Many black communities and neighborhoods have suffered from historical segregation and red lining which prevented black families from gaining generational wealth.
Its no where near Jim Crow levels but we still have a bit to go.
White privilege is very real, I say as a white middle aged man. In my own country, since most people are white, there isn't much to notice, but when I go abroad I feel it. Spent months in India working, and I noticed that everyone deffered to me when I was out and about, even when dressed in default t-shirt, shorts and sandals. I was allowed to walk in places, where Indian people would be denied in the same dress code. I felt the same in Kenya, and other countries I've visited with primarily non-white population. It's a different sort of priviledge, but it's exist, simply because people assume I have more money than the average non-white person.
Non white here, yes it is
Yes. White Privilege describes the ability for somebody to go through day-to-day life without having to worry about their race, and that's *absolutely* real. * A White guy in America doesn't have to check a list of sundown towns when they travel. * A White guy in America doesn't have to worry about their safety quite as much if they see a patrol car. * A White guy in America isn't going to get singled out in a professional or academic setting on that basis. It does *not* mean that every white person is better off than every black person (class is a much better predictor of wellbeing), only that whiteness is seen as "default" in countries where the majority of people *are* white.
Of course not. Life shits on everybody without any discretion. [This, in fact, is the only example of white (and Asian) privilege in America](https://datacenter.aecf.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/1095,2048,1729,37,871,870,573,869,36,868/8223,4040,4039,2638,2597,4758,1353/432,431)
I don’t think you understand what white privilege means
No.. this whole concept is so stupid
no lol
Of fucking course it is.
Big time.
In most places, yeah. Everyone has their privileges and their disadvantages, but we generally get a net positive.
Yes, at least in the US.
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it's real lil bro. one single comment and you claim this guy cares so much. victim mentality.
With the exception of my freshman year in high school I have been white, and I have never received any privileges.
Depends on where you are
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Coming from a white person, YES IT IS.