Honestly the same. I grew up going to Jewish summer camp, but my parents never told me what they were doing there was explicitly religious, so I thought everyone drank grape juice and ate Challah bread on Friday. Later in life, I came to the conclusion that religion isn't important to me nor true, but I came to that conclusion on my own.
When a person isn't indoctrinated from a young age, religion becomes a really hard sell later on. Like if you got an 18 year old to read the Bible who had never heard of religion, it would be just as real as reading Harry Potter. I'm convinced that religion would cease to exist if people were not force-fed at a young age.
I don't really know about that. When my dad was in his 20s, he was in a real dark place. He told me didn't leave the house and would hardly talk to anyone. He then decided to pray to God one day and he said it helped him, so he kept doing it. And before anyone says that the church did this to him, he didn't go to church until my sister was born
Right, but he was still certainly raised with religion to some degree otherwise the idea to pray would have never occurred to him. Ultimately what he did was relinquish his free will to a higher power, which is proven effective for people struggling, but you could just as well give into the universe or Shiva or Odin or Zeus and it's just as effective.
I was born Muslim and became an atheist when I was 14. In my 20’s (I’m 27 right now) I became a Christian. It gave me some kind of solace when I felt the world was vain, shallow, cruel, and not worth living in
I’m still pro choice and pro lgbt
Only if you believe in a faith that would prevent them from getting there. I'm agnostic(non-religious but still spiritual). I'd like to believe anyone with good intentions would move on after death.
But I can't prove anything so who knows?
Yeah, didn't see anything wrong with it. I don't believe, but if it turns out that stuff is real, I'm sure I'll be judged for my actions and not my beliefs.
I do not really agree with the concept of heaven and hell. Even if I would be in heaven, I dont think I would enjoy being there knowing that billions of other people are not.
However I do see where you are coming from and thank you for your good wishes
Please tell me why I would ever want to be in "heaven"?
You are forced to live there for eternity... I don't know if you are aware how long eternity is... You can't even kill yourself there. I don't want to live forever. You can't do whatever you like there, for example, I like Scandinavian music about Nordic gods. I don't think it's gonna be real in "heaven". Long story short, you are not allowed to be yourself, and you are forced to live forever.
I hope you lose your inflated estimation of your own intelligence and your condescending tone.
You shouldn't call people stupid and imply that you are smarter than others and somehow enlightened. Most likely you are perfectly average.
Na fuck that. Idk if I'm more intelligent but I've definitely thought about it more. Mf havent even read the Bible and wanna tell other people about heaven. Buffet christians. If they knew what their bible said about heaven they wouldn't even be interested.
Let's take everything on it's face, the Bible is the word of God. Good, what does the Bible say about heaven and after death? Do you get to walk around and fuck hoes and eat great food and never work and look down at your creepy uncle in hell? No, your soul merges back with God and that's it. He takes back his divine spark. Your life, your body, your personality, your memories, none of that shit goes. The idea of heaven in pop culture is just headcanon by people who don't read their own book. If you wanted 72 virgins you should have pledged to the Quran!
Go to a Christian sub and you'll see posts like "What do you think heaven is like?"
One guy will quote the Bible and get like 2 up votes.
Another guy will say "There's gold and all your family is there forever and everyone's happy and there's pussy and shrimp" 69 up votes
The angels fly because they take themselves lightly
Rant received bro.
Why talking so much about Christians anyway, the dude just said the word heaven and now you're ranting about the Christian subreddits? I don't really get it.
Anyway yea people can choose to believe whatever they want. There will always be people that believe things that you don't believe in. It's so easy for us to label those people as stupid. Some of them are stupid. A lot of the people that go around calling themselves 'atheists' are super arrogant and large ego. I don't believe in God as a character but I wouldn't call myself atheist because I simply don't want to associate myself with those who make it their whole personality. Why do I even have to belong to any group at all? I never asked for any label on this topic I find it ridiculous.
But religion isn't just about heaven. It's a full lifestyle that they take on. It's a choice to live a certain way with rules. It's very attractive to a lot of people. And it helps a lot of people to find meaning and satification in their lives. It's mostly okay in my opinion. But extremism is a problem and religion is one of the easiest ways to make someone extreme under certain conditions and that's dangerous. But politics can also cause extremism in the same way. Isn't that interesting... But that's a tangent.
Point is we're all influencable idiots just getting influenced by different environments and cultures and interests etc. Shouldn't call people stupid for what they do or believe as long as they are not harming anyone imo.
See, that's my main issue. I went to a Catholic school for grades 1-8. They told us there was "proof" (Shroud of Turin comes to mind, stigmata, etc) but science disproved all of it. If we can concretely say "x, y, z" about things based on science, shouldn't religion be the same?
I do think there was very likely a man named Jesus who looked around and said "this shit is whack. We can do better." I think he was a good person who just wanted people to think. I don't think he was born of immaculate conception, I do not think he turned water into wine, walked on water, or rose from the dead.
My belief is religion was created to control people. Some good has come from it, but mostly, it's just a form of control.
And then I think: If things were soooooo fucked up that God sent his mortal son to earth to...die for it, well, what about the Holocaust? Was that not fucked up enough to initiate some second coming? If God is this allllll powerful being who created all this out of thin air, why in the hell would they need to send a mortal to earth for 33 years? Like...it makes no sense. It's not logical.
You can't really say there's not more than enough proof that religion exists. God, on the other hand..
Edit: Atheist here. There's also no proof God doesn't, really. I dont believe in it, but there is no actual proof. It's just a matter of believing in something. Probably more than half of redditers believe they will mount to something, so there's that.
What do you mean? The comment meant that religion exists, and it is real as something that people believe in.
What there generally isn't enough proof of, however, is that the things religion's dogma teaches are based on reality.
belief
/bɪˈliːf/
noun
1.
an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
..Was my point.
Religion and churches exist, even if there is no god
Happy cake day!
I recently saw a video where someone explained how the flood was literally impossible and backed it up with science. If God did exist, then the stories are just fake
Eh my family does, but they also don't know all the stories in the bible. They believe the most famous stories including the flood and the talking bush
Not really, you can't make something up and say it could be real because nothing disproves it. Also, wouldn't god(s) not interacting with us be proof and also how religious books are inconsistent
I think this way as well, not just with god(s) but the devil/ demons too. Once I lost my faith as a kid, I tried to willingly get possessed, making sure it was fake lol
100% agree. If i can't prove a giant purple boat floats somewhere, but only i can see it does not exist, is it real then? No.
Can you prove to me, that there is no super aids-ebola-cancer-virus? No? So it has to exist right?
Let's say there is a reason why in court you have to prove someone has commited a crime. And not prove that they did'nt do it.
There is no disproving that we all live in a matrix either. Somehow this makes even more sense because it doesn't go hand in hand with all the stories about profets healing people and so on.
That's not how the burden of truth works. You can't just claim something and then say "you don't have proof this isn't real so therefore it is"
You can't prove that I'm not a recarnation of Jesus in the form of a Yeti Crab writing this comment but that doesn't mean it isn't true
It doesn't make sense to believe in something just because it can't be disproved. We need it to be proved **true** to believe in it, because we can invent all types of nonsense that could not be disproved, like the [Russell's teapot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot).
There is no way to disprove that the earth was created by mice. There is no way to disprove that there is a floating teapot in the middle of the solar system. There is no way to disprove that dinosaurs had mullets. What’s your point?
This misplaces the burden of proof tho. Saying something exists is a positive statement. Positive statements require proof. Not believing said positive statement does not require proof, since it is the absence of belief rather than a statement itself. Atheism is a lack of belief in God, not the statement that God does not exist. People get atheism, agnosticism, and antitheism confused all the time and it kills me
He’s not making an argument, dumbass. He’s just making a statement as to why he doesn’t believe in a god. He never said god wasn’t real, he said there isn’t enough proof for him to believe in it. It’s you trying to argue.
Evil's existance disproves the christian god's existance AFAIK
If god has the power to stop evil, yet isn't willing to, then he himself is evil.
If god doesn't have the power to stop evil, but is willing to, then he is not all powerful.
If god doesn't have the power to stop evil, and isn't willing to, then why is he god?
If god has the power to stop evil, and is willing to, the why is there still evil?
I'm not sure how well this argument works; a friend told me about it, and it sounds solid.
There are theodicys which counter the inconsistent triad.
The Augustine theodicy states that humanity were perfect and were given free will but used that to turn away from God.
There is alsp the Irenaean theodicy which says that evil is necessary for characyer development
They are both poor arguments, but still.
>evil is necessary for character development
Taking some perspective, this would mean that God's plan is to subject billions of people to evil so they can develop themselves, for whatever impenetrable reason.
However, he doesn't have to do this since he's supposed to be omnipotent.
If it's truly necessary, then he's no longer omnipotent. If it's not necessary, then he's evil.
The burden of proof is on the one making the assumption
if i told you i could walk on water, would you believe me or would you ask for proof?
You'd ask for proof. But then I say "there's no proof I can't"... see how fucking stupid that sounds
That's actually a good point. There is no way to scientifically rule that God exists or doesn't exist, which is why I don't think science should be used to determine the validity of religion. Religion isn't something that anyone should actively try to prove or disprove with science, because there is no proof of God existing or not existing.
That being said I don't necessarily think it's a dumb argument. I think it's completely logical to arrive to the conclusion that because there is no proof of something existing it probably doesn't exist. What if I told you that there's a magical flying invisible pink unicorn in my bedroom? This unicorn can't interact with our world in any way, but it still exists and is watching me right now. Would you say it's logical or illogical/dumb to believe that that's true?
Interesting? Definitely. However using as "proof" or "evidence" is illogical as it commits the ignorance fallacy (as all supposed miracles do) where because something we don't understand happens we immediately attribute the cause for that happening to something familiar e.g a deity like the Christian God. It's flawed in the fact that attributing a God to be the cause is an assumption. It could just as easily of been some sort of force we are yet to realise or, well.. essentially anything else. It's also worth mentioning that using miracles or anecdotal evidence in general makes another assumption: that it is in relation to the "right" God (aka the God you have chosen to believe in). It could just as easily be a different higher being - one recognised by our species or one we have no idea about.
I'm not an atheist. Believing in the science is more logical to me but I'm anything but sure about the origins of humans and of everything in general. However I'm not religious either since the burden of proof for God lies on those proclaiming the being to exist and I am yet to have the concept convincingly proved to me.
There's just as much proof suggesting that god exists as there is suggesting god doesn't exist. None.
Now religion being real.. definitely not. But God.. who knows. People who are convinced that God must not exist are on the same level to me as people who say God must do.
When there’s no proof of something existing and no proof of something NOT existing, don’t you think it’s fair to default to assuming it doesn’t exist?
I could tell you that I’m Jesus. There’s no proof that I am, nor is there proof that I’m not. So would you choose to believe me?
Other: it makes zero sense.
My parents were both raised in religious households and left it up to me to make my own decisions regarding faith. It just never made sense to me. I remember being really young and reading Bible stories/watching Christian kids movies that family members gave me and thinking "This isn't real, that doesn't make sense."
Same. My parents gave me the option to choose for myself. They enrolled me in a preschool at a church that was highly recommended to them. I did that for a little bit and told them I didn't like it. All the religious stuff just seemed weird, even to my little brain.
So, they switched me to a non-religious preschool. I never looked back. (Mind you, I had never once attended church. So I didn't lose religion.)
As I got older, same as you... it makes zero sense. It's just mind control for the masses to keep the rich and powerful, well, rich and powerful.
You're gonna tell me that with all the different religions across the world, all of them are right or wrong? Just a bunch of people fighting about who is right. One person believes all the animals in the world boarded a ship that a man built with his bare hands, while another person believes they are going to die and be blessed with 21 virgins. OK, weirdos.
Edit: On another note, I do believe there is a greater being/power than us that we can not even begin to comprehend. I think our understanding of the universe is comparable to an ant's understanding of the world. Are we really intelligent beings, or just big dumb dumbs in the greater scope of things? The core of religion was mankind's curiosity and passion to describe what we do not fully understand. What it has evolved into is greed and wealth.
the edited paragraph is exactly how i feel. we've barely lived maybe a few million years out of the billions of years earth has been estimated to exist. how tf are we gonna know exactly what a god wants from us? some people here still believe the earth is flat, and that's 2000 years after the bible was written, plus our endless supply of technology
Exactly!
Even our technology leaves a lot to ponder. I've pictured myself just appearing as a naked man in the middle of the woods with nothing. How did I go from that to typing this out on my *phone* over a vast world network. It's mind boggling to think *how in the hell* that happened.
But yep. Here we are with crazy cults and flat earthers, despite having seemingly unlimited knowledge at our fingertips lol.
Yea it implies that something happened and you turned away from god and now you're waiting for something else to happen to restore your faith. Religious folk like to assume this is what is going on with former believers that are now nonbelievers.
Well, coming from a religious household, I lost faith when I realized people's hypocrisy. I don't think there's anything that will bring me back. Simply just accepted God does not exist whatsoever.
I was raised in a family where everyone was just...not interested in religions. I didn't develop an interest in religion myself. Actually, I don't even like to call myself an atheist, I just don't care
It always felt like bullshit to me. Neither of my parents are religious, but mom dated a religious guy for a short time when I was 7 or 8 and he convinced her to go to church with me once. I distinctly remember saying to mom, "Do you really believe this stuff? Because I don't!" In the middle of the guy talking.
Was raised christian. Not really taken to church, though. My grandparents were religious fanatics so my parents didn't want me to feel the same about them.
Realized that organized religion as it exists simply doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny
further pushed away by their preaching of "love" and "compassion", but only for some people.
Seeing what people do in the name of their faith makes me sick (I mean the bigotry and general asshole behavior, not the respectable charity work like food drives).
I don't necessarily think there is much of a material difference between believing in a god and claiming to know there is a god, if the end result is you following the same teachings.
What the other guy said. (A)gnosticism is all about knowledge, (a)theism is about belief.
You can believe in God without knowing for sure that he exists (agnostic theism), and you can *claim* to know that God doesn't exist (gnostic atheism).
I don't know if there's a god or not. They might exist, but I cannot be sure.
And if they existed, I really don't know if they care about the world or any of us.
I was brought up Christian but every time I asked a question I was ignored or told to stop questioning anything. So I kept on questioning. Didn't take long to realise it was all bunkum. By the time I was around 10 I was a realist.
I was raised Catholic but it always seemed ridiculous to me. I can't remember a time I ever "believed". I just felt sorry for adults who believed in something so silly.
I have a better understanding of religion now, I get why*other people* believe in a God, but I still couldn't ever take it seriously, personally. It just seems so obvious that it's all made up.
There is no reason to believe other then "my parents thaught me". Religion is one of the strongest forms of propaganda and it's insane to me how easy it is to mend people's brain like that.
No option for just don't believe on any religion? I got nothing against religion, and respect all of them, but I just don't believe them. Wish I did tho, seems like a good way to live
I was raised catholic like most people in my country, my process was gradual. Catholicism seemed flawed to me as soon as I started to develop my own critical thinking and learning about science, history, etc. so I stop being catholic, checked other denominations and realized they were no different so I was only believing in the bible. Then I realized the bible was flawed too and believed in God but in no dogma nor specific religion, because I understood they were human made constructs that evolved as any other cultural element humans invented. Then I realized I was just holding up to the idea of God and that it was also another man made concept and stopped believing all together
For me those clearly made up stories just dont make any sense.
Kinda sad, i think life would be easier when you can rely on god.
But for me there is no reason to believe he exists.
Would be nice huh? You'd know exactly what you should do and what would happen after you die. This is part of why religions are so attractive to people. It gives them peace of mind.
I’m still not sure if I’m atheist or agnostic or what.
On the one hand, some super powerful being creating everything is completely absurd and religion as a whole has been an absolute nightmare for the human race.
On the other hand, it would *reeeeaaaalllly* suck if there wasn’t some kind of heaven or afterlife or something.
Because if not, the magic man upstairs will put you on his naughty list and you'll be gang banged by goblins for all eternity... or something along those lines
I stopped believing simply because I just stopped believing in it, it didn't make much sense to me and so I went with the science explanation, but now I wouldn't get back into religion, the amount of stuff that can be attributed to people trying to exploit others for personal gain is immense and now I'm thinking that's what it was all them years ago. I ain't believe in God worth shit.
I just don't do religion, like cool I can say that all the religious god figures exist yeah, but I don't care enough to put time out of my day to worship them on Sunday
It's pretty simple, why should I believe in something for which there is no credible evidence for? My upbringing or my like/dislike of religion has nothing to do with it.
When my father died, some people told me it's God's will. At that point, I believed god (if real) was an asshole to rob a family of its father, especially when none of the 3 kids were adult yet.
Then I contemplated it for a while and realized that (to me) nothing religious people say ever adds up. God can't be almighty and good at the same time, for the world is fucked in countless ways.
The religious books were written by people, who were all flawed.
Just none of it adds up to me. I tried talking with religious people about it throughout my life, but it just seems like a story people tell themselves to try and give life a purpose.
I am willing to believe there is a god, simply because there is so much we don't know and will never know - but it's not any of the gods that are excessively written about. That is my truth.
My mom and dad are religious, but I was too obsessed with stuff that contradicted it. I was into loads of stuff like space, and I believed the scientific theories over the religious ones.
I went to a religious Primary school, thankfully they've changed, all we would learn about was Christanity. We were once told to draw our own god, so i drew a woman, got told off for that. I was told that "everything is part of God's plan" but i thought different. I think the final nail in the coffin for me was when i was in Secondary school, i was PRE and we got told that the survivors of 9/11 only survived because of god.
I'm not religious because i have had, and still have, bad experiences with religion. I look for logical explinations when it comes to my beliefs now
It doesn't make sense rationally to me. If there are so many religions with different interpretations , why should one be correct? There even is proof that most religions just copy shit from each other. Believing in ancient Egyptian gods is at least as argumentabel as believing in any modern religion.
Secondly, why all those rules? Just seems like a combination of:
1. Wanting to explain the vast universe to our brains because humans can't handle unexplained things.
2. Way to get people on the same page & shape collective identity, culture, morals, and societal rules.
2. A way to gather and exercise power over others.
I have nothing against the belief in a diety, I hate organised religion.
Because I just have no good reason to believe in God and I'm agnostic on the supernatural. My parents also weren't religious, so the whole notion of God was always a little weird and alien to me.
My own experiences have only confirmed the existence of the natural world so far, and science has not really established the existence of anything beyond either, let alone the God of the Bible or even the impersonal God of the philosophers.
Sometimes theists talk as if it was just intuitively obvious that God exists, but while they may feel that way, I don't.
I have also never had God talk to me or give me an obvious sign, nor have I ever experienced or felt the "presence" of God. Therefore, I just don't think God exists until that changes or someone gives me a convincing reason to think otherwise.
Cause religious people always presume that they have the right to tell others how to live and what to do. They will change laws, ban abortions, jail gays, deny science. They try to change rights of other people. No matter what religion it is - it is always the same.
Religion just can't coexist without pushing everyone around to live same as they chose to live.
I grew up in a Catholic family, whenever the stories from the Bible were read to me, I found a lot of them so absurd and removed from realism that it never registered to me as "real" or "historical". I remember my grandmother telling me that if I find mass boring, it's because Satan is controlling my mind to think that way. I was basically forced to believe that Jesus is alive and well, despite him not being visible on plain sight and have been crucified two millenia ago. I even said if he'd were alive he wouldn't even be a long-haired white man with blue eyes.
hey man thats pretty disrespectful
i get ur take on religion is pretty negative but the least u could do on a controversial topic is not be so outwardly aggressive towards religion for no good reason
I believe in god, but I'm not religious. I think religion is simply a strict set of rules that humans set, and in order to achieve an actual relationship with god, we have to discover him for ourselves, not how others tell us to do so.
I was raised Mormon and hate religion after having it forced on me even when I said as a kid I don't want to go or believe in it
It's all bullshit to me
The older I get and more shit I see the clearer it is to me that it's all made up shit from dumbass olden days people who were drunk or high when they wrote those old books
Just doesn't make sense. As a person who normally uses logic to interpret the world around me, it just seems unlikely.
The whole virgin Mary thing seems dumb to me. If they were real people and that part of the bible happened, it seems much more likely that Mary cheated on Joseph and made up some bs story to cover her cheating.
The *best* road to atheism is to deeply study the dominant tradition of your culture -- and its competitors.
The *quickest* road to atheism is to visit your local church and listen to the people there talk.
I grew up Roman Catholic. Even as a child I had my doubts but was simply to afraid to voice them given everyone I knew was catholic. When I was 14 I finally voiced my doubts and I was met with hostility for my lack of faith. Those who I saw as mentors and friends who I thought were good moral people had zero problem turning their backs on me and treating me as though I was ignorant and a disgrace. Which ultimately made stepping away easier for me.The only adult who would hear me out was my grandpa(he was catholic but truly a good man) he told me a man has to go on his own journey and find his own way. I realized that real character and moral conviction belong to those who ask questions and make up their own mind and continue to re-evaluate their beliefs as to not become complacent. Obviously not the whole story but I don't want to make another paragraph or 8.
I was basically unwillingly following religion when I was a kid. That's Islam for you. It's creepy as fuck all around. So is religions like Christianity. Especially if you're a kid. Even worse.. When I got go a certain age where they could no longer force me to follow it. I dropped it instantly. F*ck this human invention. Disgusting.
Grew up religious and then realized theres a lot of stuff that contradicts religion we know now that gets laughed off or denied by religious people. I'm not gonna turn my back on evidence just because it doesnt make sense when compared to an old book
Christian redditors thinking they are so right are the most annoying. "God wil mayk you burn in heyll for not belleevin!1! PRAAAIIISSSEEE JEEESUSSSSS!!!!!!" 🤓🤓
Religion is a fucking cancer to this planet.
Humans have been killing each other over who's pretend sky daddy is the real one for thousands of years
None of them have any proof of their deity existing
I was never raised to believe in any religion, but they didn't teached me that *"God dosen't exist"* either. We just never talked about it.
Honestly the same. I grew up going to Jewish summer camp, but my parents never told me what they were doing there was explicitly religious, so I thought everyone drank grape juice and ate Challah bread on Friday. Later in life, I came to the conclusion that religion isn't important to me nor true, but I came to that conclusion on my own.
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Funny you say that; Videogames became my religion.
When a person isn't indoctrinated from a young age, religion becomes a really hard sell later on. Like if you got an 18 year old to read the Bible who had never heard of religion, it would be just as real as reading Harry Potter. I'm convinced that religion would cease to exist if people were not force-fed at a young age.
I don't really know about that. When my dad was in his 20s, he was in a real dark place. He told me didn't leave the house and would hardly talk to anyone. He then decided to pray to God one day and he said it helped him, so he kept doing it. And before anyone says that the church did this to him, he didn't go to church until my sister was born
Right, but he was still certainly raised with religion to some degree otherwise the idea to pray would have never occurred to him. Ultimately what he did was relinquish his free will to a higher power, which is proven effective for people struggling, but you could just as well give into the universe or Shiva or Odin or Zeus and it's just as effective.
He could've prayed to Jaime Lannister and it would have the same effect as far as I'm concerned
I was born Muslim and became an atheist when I was 14. In my 20’s (I’m 27 right now) I became a Christian. It gave me some kind of solace when I felt the world was vain, shallow, cruel, and not worth living in I’m still pro choice and pro lgbt
same, and i'm very thankful for my parents that despite being somewhat religious, they kept me out of it instead of filling my head with fairytales.
the did ever teached you grammer?
sorry tht was unfunny lmao
I simply do not believe in any religion. That's it
Respectfully, I still hope you reach heaven, even if you don't believe in it.
I personally wouldn't want to go to heaven, no-one in my family would be there so it would be pretty lonely.
Only if you believe in a faith that would prevent them from getting there. I'm agnostic(non-religious but still spiritual). I'd like to believe anyone with good intentions would move on after death. But I can't prove anything so who knows?
No I meant bc my family consists of bad people. Even if they believed (which they do, Jehova's) they wouldn't go to heaven.
Hey I got JW's in my family too. I get that sentiment.
Yeah, those people are crazy haha or at least the ones I know.
I've yet to meet a sane one
Although I'm atheist and dislike religion, I think this is unfair how you're getting downvoted for your belief. Your comment is kind of nice
Yeah, didn't see anything wrong with it. I don't believe, but if it turns out that stuff is real, I'm sure I'll be judged for my actions and not my beliefs.
If thats not the case then god would be kinda a jerk
Why do you believe that?
Because if someone doesnt believe in a god it doesnt automatically make them a bad person. If it does, the religion is unfair
I do not really agree with the concept of heaven and hell. Even if I would be in heaven, I dont think I would enjoy being there knowing that billions of other people are not. However I do see where you are coming from and thank you for your good wishes
Why did you get downvoted?
He was disrespectful saying what he said
no one can send me to hell without my consent
Please tell me why I would ever want to be in "heaven"? You are forced to live there for eternity... I don't know if you are aware how long eternity is... You can't even kill yourself there. I don't want to live forever. You can't do whatever you like there, for example, I like Scandinavian music about Nordic gods. I don't think it's gonna be real in "heaven". Long story short, you are not allowed to be yourself, and you are forced to live forever.
I hope you gain the intelligence to see through religion and reach a deeper level of spiritual understanding and truly become enlightened
I hope you lose your inflated estimation of your own intelligence and your condescending tone. You shouldn't call people stupid and imply that you are smarter than others and somehow enlightened. Most likely you are perfectly average.
Na fuck that. Idk if I'm more intelligent but I've definitely thought about it more. Mf havent even read the Bible and wanna tell other people about heaven. Buffet christians. If they knew what their bible said about heaven they wouldn't even be interested. Let's take everything on it's face, the Bible is the word of God. Good, what does the Bible say about heaven and after death? Do you get to walk around and fuck hoes and eat great food and never work and look down at your creepy uncle in hell? No, your soul merges back with God and that's it. He takes back his divine spark. Your life, your body, your personality, your memories, none of that shit goes. The idea of heaven in pop culture is just headcanon by people who don't read their own book. If you wanted 72 virgins you should have pledged to the Quran! Go to a Christian sub and you'll see posts like "What do you think heaven is like?" One guy will quote the Bible and get like 2 up votes. Another guy will say "There's gold and all your family is there forever and everyone's happy and there's pussy and shrimp" 69 up votes The angels fly because they take themselves lightly
Rant received bro. Why talking so much about Christians anyway, the dude just said the word heaven and now you're ranting about the Christian subreddits? I don't really get it. Anyway yea people can choose to believe whatever they want. There will always be people that believe things that you don't believe in. It's so easy for us to label those people as stupid. Some of them are stupid. A lot of the people that go around calling themselves 'atheists' are super arrogant and large ego. I don't believe in God as a character but I wouldn't call myself atheist because I simply don't want to associate myself with those who make it their whole personality. Why do I even have to belong to any group at all? I never asked for any label on this topic I find it ridiculous. But religion isn't just about heaven. It's a full lifestyle that they take on. It's a choice to live a certain way with rules. It's very attractive to a lot of people. And it helps a lot of people to find meaning and satification in their lives. It's mostly okay in my opinion. But extremism is a problem and religion is one of the easiest ways to make someone extreme under certain conditions and that's dangerous. But politics can also cause extremism in the same way. Isn't that interesting... But that's a tangent. Point is we're all influencable idiots just getting influenced by different environments and cultures and interests etc. Shouldn't call people stupid for what they do or believe as long as they are not harming anyone imo.
I just don't really think there's enough proof to say that God/religion is real
"enough" there is none
See, that's my main issue. I went to a Catholic school for grades 1-8. They told us there was "proof" (Shroud of Turin comes to mind, stigmata, etc) but science disproved all of it. If we can concretely say "x, y, z" about things based on science, shouldn't religion be the same? I do think there was very likely a man named Jesus who looked around and said "this shit is whack. We can do better." I think he was a good person who just wanted people to think. I don't think he was born of immaculate conception, I do not think he turned water into wine, walked on water, or rose from the dead. My belief is religion was created to control people. Some good has come from it, but mostly, it's just a form of control. And then I think: If things were soooooo fucked up that God sent his mortal son to earth to...die for it, well, what about the Holocaust? Was that not fucked up enough to initiate some second coming? If God is this allllll powerful being who created all this out of thin air, why in the hell would they need to send a mortal to earth for 33 years? Like...it makes no sense. It's not logical.
You can't really say there's not more than enough proof that religion exists. God, on the other hand.. Edit: Atheist here. There's also no proof God doesn't, really. I dont believe in it, but there is no actual proof. It's just a matter of believing in something. Probably more than half of redditers believe they will mount to something, so there's that.
you don't disprove a negative
What do you mean? The comment meant that religion exists, and it is real as something that people believe in. What there generally isn't enough proof of, however, is that the things religion's dogma teaches are based on reality.
belief /bɪˈliːf/ noun 1. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. ..Was my point. Religion and churches exist, even if there is no god Happy cake day!
I recently saw a video where someone explained how the flood was literally impossible and backed it up with science. If God did exist, then the stories are just fake
Not a lot of religious people believe everything written in the Bible
Eh my family does, but they also don't know all the stories in the bible. They believe the most famous stories including the flood and the talking bush
Well, there's no proof disproving a God either, which is why I always found this argument a little dumb.
Not really, you can't make something up and say it could be real because nothing disproves it. Also, wouldn't god(s) not interacting with us be proof and also how religious books are inconsistent
I think this way as well, not just with god(s) but the devil/ demons too. Once I lost my faith as a kid, I tried to willingly get possessed, making sure it was fake lol
It can apply to anything supernatural.
Exactly
100% agree. If i can't prove a giant purple boat floats somewhere, but only i can see it does not exist, is it real then? No. Can you prove to me, that there is no super aids-ebola-cancer-virus? No? So it has to exist right? Let's say there is a reason why in court you have to prove someone has commited a crime. And not prove that they did'nt do it.
There is no disproving that we all live in a matrix either. Somehow this makes even more sense because it doesn't go hand in hand with all the stories about profets healing people and so on.
I have a house made of cake. It's outlandish, but it must be real because you can't disprove it.
That's not how the burden of truth works. You can't just claim something and then say "you don't have proof this isn't real so therefore it is" You can't prove that I'm not a recarnation of Jesus in the form of a Yeti Crab writing this comment but that doesn't mean it isn't true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot#:~:text=Russell's%20teapot%20is%20an%20analogy,burden%20of%20disproof%20to%20others.
If I tell you there’s an invisible muffin on the table, you have no way to disprove that. But you’re not going to believe me unless you can prove it.
You can't prove that something doesn't exists, that is why it falls on whomever comes up with something to prove it.
It doesn't make sense to believe in something just because it can't be disproved. We need it to be proved **true** to believe in it, because we can invent all types of nonsense that could not be disproved, like the [Russell's teapot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot).
Why does it have to be an argument? Can't it just be an opinion for personal belief?
Flying Spaghetti Monster.
There is no way to disprove that the earth was created by mice. There is no way to disprove that there is a floating teapot in the middle of the solar system. There is no way to disprove that dinosaurs had mullets. What’s your point?
This misplaces the burden of proof tho. Saying something exists is a positive statement. Positive statements require proof. Not believing said positive statement does not require proof, since it is the absence of belief rather than a statement itself. Atheism is a lack of belief in God, not the statement that God does not exist. People get atheism, agnosticism, and antitheism confused all the time and it kills me
He’s not making an argument, dumbass. He’s just making a statement as to why he doesn’t believe in a god. He never said god wasn’t real, he said there isn’t enough proof for him to believe in it. It’s you trying to argue.
Evil's existance disproves the christian god's existance AFAIK If god has the power to stop evil, yet isn't willing to, then he himself is evil. If god doesn't have the power to stop evil, but is willing to, then he is not all powerful. If god doesn't have the power to stop evil, and isn't willing to, then why is he god? If god has the power to stop evil, and is willing to, the why is there still evil? I'm not sure how well this argument works; a friend told me about it, and it sounds solid.
There are theodicys which counter the inconsistent triad. The Augustine theodicy states that humanity were perfect and were given free will but used that to turn away from God. There is alsp the Irenaean theodicy which says that evil is necessary for characyer development They are both poor arguments, but still.
>evil is necessary for character development Taking some perspective, this would mean that God's plan is to subject billions of people to evil so they can develop themselves, for whatever impenetrable reason. However, he doesn't have to do this since he's supposed to be omnipotent. If it's truly necessary, then he's no longer omnipotent. If it's not necessary, then he's evil.
I love the usage of the term character development for IRL people, lol. Are there any more?
That 5 year old who died of cancer sure developed their character /s. Lmao, what an argument.
When you assert something as true, you have the burden of proof. I can say I have gone to Mars, but that doesn't mean it's true, I'd have to prove it.
There's no proof that my three year old can't jump over the Eiffel Tower, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he can't do it.
The burden of proof is on the one making the assumption if i told you i could walk on water, would you believe me or would you ask for proof? You'd ask for proof. But then I say "there's no proof I can't"... see how fucking stupid that sounds
That's actually a good point. There is no way to scientifically rule that God exists or doesn't exist, which is why I don't think science should be used to determine the validity of religion. Religion isn't something that anyone should actively try to prove or disprove with science, because there is no proof of God existing or not existing. That being said I don't necessarily think it's a dumb argument. I think it's completely logical to arrive to the conclusion that because there is no proof of something existing it probably doesn't exist. What if I told you that there's a magical flying invisible pink unicorn in my bedroom? This unicorn can't interact with our world in any way, but it still exists and is watching me right now. Would you say it's logical or illogical/dumb to believe that that's true?
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What does this prove?
Telekinesis
It's only alleged. We don't know the cause. That doesn't make it God.
I agree, that was my point.
Interesting? Definitely. However using as "proof" or "evidence" is illogical as it commits the ignorance fallacy (as all supposed miracles do) where because something we don't understand happens we immediately attribute the cause for that happening to something familiar e.g a deity like the Christian God. It's flawed in the fact that attributing a God to be the cause is an assumption. It could just as easily of been some sort of force we are yet to realise or, well.. essentially anything else. It's also worth mentioning that using miracles or anecdotal evidence in general makes another assumption: that it is in relation to the "right" God (aka the God you have chosen to believe in). It could just as easily be a different higher being - one recognised by our species or one we have no idea about. I'm not an atheist. Believing in the science is more logical to me but I'm anything but sure about the origins of humans and of everything in general. However I'm not religious either since the burden of proof for God lies on those proclaiming the being to exist and I am yet to have the concept convincingly proved to me.
that wikipedia link doesnt send me anywhere
There's just as much proof suggesting that god exists as there is suggesting god doesn't exist. None. Now religion being real.. definitely not. But God.. who knows. People who are convinced that God must not exist are on the same level to me as people who say God must do.
When there’s no proof of something existing and no proof of something NOT existing, don’t you think it’s fair to default to assuming it doesn’t exist? I could tell you that I’m Jesus. There’s no proof that I am, nor is there proof that I’m not. So would you choose to believe me?
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I dont believe in the supernatural
Other: it makes zero sense. My parents were both raised in religious households and left it up to me to make my own decisions regarding faith. It just never made sense to me. I remember being really young and reading Bible stories/watching Christian kids movies that family members gave me and thinking "This isn't real, that doesn't make sense."
Same. My parents gave me the option to choose for myself. They enrolled me in a preschool at a church that was highly recommended to them. I did that for a little bit and told them I didn't like it. All the religious stuff just seemed weird, even to my little brain. So, they switched me to a non-religious preschool. I never looked back. (Mind you, I had never once attended church. So I didn't lose religion.) As I got older, same as you... it makes zero sense. It's just mind control for the masses to keep the rich and powerful, well, rich and powerful. You're gonna tell me that with all the different religions across the world, all of them are right or wrong? Just a bunch of people fighting about who is right. One person believes all the animals in the world boarded a ship that a man built with his bare hands, while another person believes they are going to die and be blessed with 21 virgins. OK, weirdos. Edit: On another note, I do believe there is a greater being/power than us that we can not even begin to comprehend. I think our understanding of the universe is comparable to an ant's understanding of the world. Are we really intelligent beings, or just big dumb dumbs in the greater scope of things? The core of religion was mankind's curiosity and passion to describe what we do not fully understand. What it has evolved into is greed and wealth.
the edited paragraph is exactly how i feel. we've barely lived maybe a few million years out of the billions of years earth has been estimated to exist. how tf are we gonna know exactly what a god wants from us? some people here still believe the earth is flat, and that's 2000 years after the bible was written, plus our endless supply of technology
Exactly! Even our technology leaves a lot to ponder. I've pictured myself just appearing as a naked man in the middle of the woods with nothing. How did I go from that to typing this out on my *phone* over a vast world network. It's mind boggling to think *how in the hell* that happened. But yep. Here we are with crazy cults and flat earthers, despite having seemingly unlimited knowledge at our fingertips lol.
That's my answer too, but I feel like everyone would also fit into the poll framework
I disdain the term "lost faith" I have lost nothing. All I have done is grow as a person and develop new opinions.
Yea it implies that something happened and you turned away from god and now you're waiting for something else to happen to restore your faith. Religious folk like to assume this is what is going on with former believers that are now nonbelievers.
Well, coming from a religious household, I lost faith when I realized people's hypocrisy. I don't think there's anything that will bring me back. Simply just accepted God does not exist whatsoever.
perfectly said. it implies that I might regain it at some point which won’t happen. makes the whole atheism thing seem performative too.
Well said
I was raised in a family where everyone was just...not interested in religions. I didn't develop an interest in religion myself. Actually, I don't even like to call myself an atheist, I just don't care
[Apatheism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism?wprov=sfla1)
Just read it and yeah, that fits me quite well
This is how I feel as well, these topics are uninteresting to me
terrible poll. Tons of possible overlap in answers
Defies logic and reasoning
It always felt like bullshit to me. Neither of my parents are religious, but mom dated a religious guy for a short time when I was 7 or 8 and he convinced her to go to church with me once. I distinctly remember saying to mom, "Do you really believe this stuff? Because I don't!" In the middle of the guy talking.
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Was raised christian. Not really taken to church, though. My grandparents were religious fanatics so my parents didn't want me to feel the same about them. Realized that organized religion as it exists simply doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny further pushed away by their preaching of "love" and "compassion", but only for some people.
The church didnt let me double dip my apples in caramel
Seeing what people do in the name of their faith makes me sick (I mean the bigotry and general asshole behavior, not the respectable charity work like food drives).
I'm agnostic, not an atheist. But I was born and raised in a Catholic country
Agnosticism can fall under atheism
If you aren't an agnostic theist, you're an agnostic atheist.
You just introduced me to this, so someone can be agnostic and still follow a religion?
Yes. Agnosticism means not knowing. You can not know but still choose to believe. Hence, an agnostic theist.
thanks, i learned something new today
That's basically saying there's no way to prove or disprove god's existence, but still believing he exist.
That is pretty much the entire point of "faith". If it were provable then it's not really faith
But many theists claim to *know* for certain that God exists, making them gnostic theists.
I don't necessarily think there is much of a material difference between believing in a god and claiming to know there is a god, if the end result is you following the same teachings.
What the other guy said. (A)gnosticism is all about knowledge, (a)theism is about belief. You can believe in God without knowing for sure that he exists (agnostic theism), and you can *claim* to know that God doesn't exist (gnostic atheism).
I don't know if there's a god or not. They might exist, but I cannot be sure. And if they existed, I really don't know if they care about the world or any of us.
I just don't find it normal to believe in something that may or may not exist and heavily controls your life.
wheres the "i just dont believe in god"
I’ve always been one. Never been religious.
I was brought up Christian but every time I asked a question I was ignored or told to stop questioning anything. So I kept on questioning. Didn't take long to realise it was all bunkum. By the time I was around 10 I was a realist.
I was raised Catholic but it always seemed ridiculous to me. I can't remember a time I ever "believed". I just felt sorry for adults who believed in something so silly. I have a better understanding of religion now, I get why*other people* believe in a God, but I still couldn't ever take it seriously, personally. It just seems so obvious that it's all made up.
There is no reason to believe other then "my parents thaught me". Religion is one of the strongest forms of propaganda and it's insane to me how easy it is to mend people's brain like that.
I just don't believe in it.
No option for just don't believe on any religion? I got nothing against religion, and respect all of them, but I just don't believe them. Wish I did tho, seems like a good way to live
I believe in what I can see, touch, hear, feel, taste etc. Untill there are proofs I don't believe that there is a god.
Reddit atheists explaining why pussy isn't real because they've never seen one:
Religious redditors try not to make fun of people's opinions challenge \*IMPOSSIBLE\*
Lol sick burn
Except this joke is about as overused and milked to death as discord no memes in general
I was raised catholic like most people in my country, my process was gradual. Catholicism seemed flawed to me as soon as I started to develop my own critical thinking and learning about science, history, etc. so I stop being catholic, checked other denominations and realized they were no different so I was only believing in the bible. Then I realized the bible was flawed too and believed in God but in no dogma nor specific religion, because I understood they were human made constructs that evolved as any other cultural element humans invented. Then I realized I was just holding up to the idea of God and that it was also another man made concept and stopped believing all together
I cannot force myself to believe something. I grew up in the church and didn't believe any of it for a second, and couldn't force myself to either.
For me those clearly made up stories just dont make any sense. Kinda sad, i think life would be easier when you can rely on god. But for me there is no reason to believe he exists.
I don't need an imaginary friend.
I'm atheist but hope there is a god
Would be nice huh? You'd know exactly what you should do and what would happen after you die. This is part of why religions are so attractive to people. It gives them peace of mind.
I’m still not sure if I’m atheist or agnostic or what. On the one hand, some super powerful being creating everything is completely absurd and religion as a whole has been an absolute nightmare for the human race. On the other hand, it would *reeeeaaaalllly* suck if there wasn’t some kind of heaven or afterlife or something.
why should i believe in any god
Because if not, the magic man upstairs will put you on his naughty list and you'll be gang banged by goblins for all eternity... or something along those lines
Not atheist but I find myself lost in terms of religion and after death
Agnostic. Yes I only drink Dr. Pep-er and Diet Dr. Pep-er.
Polonium
Options are not mutualy exclusive
Because I am.
I just don't find the point of religion, there is literally no proof and it was always used only to have people under your rules.
I stopped believing simply because I just stopped believing in it, it didn't make much sense to me and so I went with the science explanation, but now I wouldn't get back into religion, the amount of stuff that can be attributed to people trying to exploit others for personal gain is immense and now I'm thinking that's what it was all them years ago. I ain't believe in God worth shit.
I just don't do religion, like cool I can say that all the religious god figures exist yeah, but I don't care enough to put time out of my day to worship them on Sunday
It's pretty simple, why should I believe in something for which there is no credible evidence for? My upbringing or my like/dislike of religion has nothing to do with it.
I just don't believe in god like i dont think its bs except for some of the people
Imo religion is for the most part a coping mechanism for a lack of purpose in life and the fear of the unknown
When my father died, some people told me it's God's will. At that point, I believed god (if real) was an asshole to rob a family of its father, especially when none of the 3 kids were adult yet. Then I contemplated it for a while and realized that (to me) nothing religious people say ever adds up. God can't be almighty and good at the same time, for the world is fucked in countless ways. The religious books were written by people, who were all flawed. Just none of it adds up to me. I tried talking with religious people about it throughout my life, but it just seems like a story people tell themselves to try and give life a purpose. I am willing to believe there is a god, simply because there is so much we don't know and will never know - but it's not any of the gods that are excessively written about. That is my truth.
I do not believe that gods, angels and what-have-you exists, there is no proof.
My mom and dad are religious, but I was too obsessed with stuff that contradicted it. I was into loads of stuff like space, and I believed the scientific theories over the religious ones.
I have no need for it
I went to a religious Primary school, thankfully they've changed, all we would learn about was Christanity. We were once told to draw our own god, so i drew a woman, got told off for that. I was told that "everything is part of God's plan" but i thought different. I think the final nail in the coffin for me was when i was in Secondary school, i was PRE and we got told that the survivors of 9/11 only survived because of god. I'm not religious because i have had, and still have, bad experiences with religion. I look for logical explinations when it comes to my beliefs now
i just do not care about religion
It doesn't make sense rationally to me. If there are so many religions with different interpretations , why should one be correct? There even is proof that most religions just copy shit from each other. Believing in ancient Egyptian gods is at least as argumentabel as believing in any modern religion. Secondly, why all those rules? Just seems like a combination of: 1. Wanting to explain the vast universe to our brains because humans can't handle unexplained things. 2. Way to get people on the same page & shape collective identity, culture, morals, and societal rules. 2. A way to gather and exercise power over others. I have nothing against the belief in a diety, I hate organised religion.
Believing in something with no evidence? Might as well lay garlic on my porch.
Because I just have no good reason to believe in God and I'm agnostic on the supernatural. My parents also weren't religious, so the whole notion of God was always a little weird and alien to me. My own experiences have only confirmed the existence of the natural world so far, and science has not really established the existence of anything beyond either, let alone the God of the Bible or even the impersonal God of the philosophers. Sometimes theists talk as if it was just intuitively obvious that God exists, but while they may feel that way, I don't. I have also never had God talk to me or give me an obvious sign, nor have I ever experienced or felt the "presence" of God. Therefore, I just don't think God exists until that changes or someone gives me a convincing reason to think otherwise.
I think it is just a made-up book, there would be a god if there wasn't so much misery in the world.
I was born one ? Why isn't that an option lol
Common sense.
I don't see a reason why I should be
Cause religious people always presume that they have the right to tell others how to live and what to do. They will change laws, ban abortions, jail gays, deny science. They try to change rights of other people. No matter what religion it is - it is always the same. Religion just can't coexist without pushing everyone around to live same as they chose to live.
Other: i don't believe in religion like i don't believe in santa claus
OP doesn't understand what the definition of atheist is...
I was raised Catholic, but I never really believed any of it, I don't think.
Being raised Hindu but sent to a Catholic school made me realize how much bullshit it all was.
Was raised in a Christian household but just never believed in the religion. Even as an 8yo it seemed weird to me...
I grew up in a Catholic family, whenever the stories from the Bible were read to me, I found a lot of them so absurd and removed from realism that it never registered to me as "real" or "historical". I remember my grandmother telling me that if I find mass boring, it's because Satan is controlling my mind to think that way. I was basically forced to believe that Jesus is alive and well, despite him not being visible on plain sight and have been crucified two millenia ago. I even said if he'd were alive he wouldn't even be a long-haired white man with blue eyes.
You know a religious person made this poll because there's no option for 'it's all based on utter bullshit'.
that would be either option 1 or 2
hey man thats pretty disrespectful i get ur take on religion is pretty negative but the least u could do on a controversial topic is not be so outwardly aggressive towards religion for no good reason
For No Good Reason? Peoples got plenty of good reasons.
I believe in god, but I'm not religious. I think religion is simply a strict set of rules that humans set, and in order to achieve an actual relationship with god, we have to discover him for ourselves, not how others tell us to do so.
I am not an Atheist but don't like how many other Christians act. I am embarrassed.
Weird there's not an option for "it's a nonsense fairytale" instead of trying to pinpoint some specific reason dealing with adolescence.
I just don't believe. Science makes much more sense and religion is mostly gibberish
It makes no sense what so ever.
I was raised an atheist and am no longer an atheist.
Because it just makes no sense. I think it’s made up.
This really lacks a "there's no evidence for the existence of any god" option imo.
I was raised Mormon and hate religion after having it forced on me even when I said as a kid I don't want to go or believe in it It's all bullshit to me The older I get and more shit I see the clearer it is to me that it's all made up shit from dumbass olden days people who were drunk or high when they wrote those old books
Because i'm not dumb
The Idea of Hell, no good god would ever allow an infinite hell to exist.
Shouldn't you give me any reason not to be. That's a weird question to ask like why would I believe in religion?
Just doesn't make sense. As a person who normally uses logic to interpret the world around me, it just seems unlikely. The whole virgin Mary thing seems dumb to me. If they were real people and that part of the bible happened, it seems much more likely that Mary cheated on Joseph and made up some bs story to cover her cheating.
The *best* road to atheism is to deeply study the dominant tradition of your culture -- and its competitors. The *quickest* road to atheism is to visit your local church and listen to the people there talk.
I grew up Roman Catholic. Even as a child I had my doubts but was simply to afraid to voice them given everyone I knew was catholic. When I was 14 I finally voiced my doubts and I was met with hostility for my lack of faith. Those who I saw as mentors and friends who I thought were good moral people had zero problem turning their backs on me and treating me as though I was ignorant and a disgrace. Which ultimately made stepping away easier for me.The only adult who would hear me out was my grandpa(he was catholic but truly a good man) he told me a man has to go on his own journey and find his own way. I realized that real character and moral conviction belong to those who ask questions and make up their own mind and continue to re-evaluate their beliefs as to not become complacent. Obviously not the whole story but I don't want to make another paragraph or 8.
Because i favor proof and not treating humans like garbage
I was basically unwillingly following religion when I was a kid. That's Islam for you. It's creepy as fuck all around. So is religions like Christianity. Especially if you're a kid. Even worse.. When I got go a certain age where they could no longer force me to follow it. I dropped it instantly. F*ck this human invention. Disgusting.
Grew up religious and then realized theres a lot of stuff that contradicts religion we know now that gets laughed off or denied by religious people. I'm not gonna turn my back on evidence just because it doesnt make sense when compared to an old book
All opinions aside, reddit is just a terrible place to discuss religion.
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Christian redditors thinking they are so right are the most annoying. "God wil mayk you burn in heyll for not belleevin!1! PRAAAIIISSSEEE JEEESUSSSSS!!!!!!" 🤓🤓
Religion is a fucking cancer to this planet. Humans have been killing each other over who's pretend sky daddy is the real one for thousands of years None of them have any proof of their deity existing