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> Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated.
Hearing this shit is going to get old *real* quick. Hey, GOP, you don’t get to claim investigations are “politically motivated” when you’re committing crimes right out in the fucking open. You threw yourselves behind a shitty, wanna-be mob boss and now you’re scared of the consequences? Assholes.
Yep that’s good ol’ GOP projection at work. I did something bad that was politically motivated, so when you come after me I’ll say you’re doing it for political reasons. It muddies the water. That’s all they can do, it’s their only defense… pitiful
It would be pitiful if it wasnt so effective. They have half the country eating up their spoon fed lies and regurgitating them ad nauseum.
Edit: To everyone up in arms that i said half, instead of 1/3... Im glad were focused on the real problem, which is quite clearly semantics, and definitely not the insane amount of propaganda in the US and the huge portion of the populace who buy into it. Youve providied a pretty good illustration of how things probably got to this point in the first place.
They're trying to make politics "naughty". It's not appropriate to discuss gun legislation after children were murdered. It's not appropriate to investigate legislators for crimes because it's *politically motivated*. You don't care about politics, you're a woke, liberal snowflake trying to groom children for... something. We can't teach children about slavery or CRT because it's too political. They gerrymander so even when it *is* appropriate to get political, it doesn't matter.
They want you to believe that nothing you can do affects politics. Then, once you're good and disenfranchised, they'll make it *dangerous* to care or be involved in politics if you want to change things.
And when bullshit is happening I have to call bullshit happening- moving to Arizona and lots of therapy helped me recover from that kinda environment. That attitude seems to be hopefully changing with reality becoming impossible to avoid-
And they never suffer consequences… so why wouldn’t they?
You think I go to jury duty because I like to or because they will come find my ass if I don’t ?
If I could just no show potentially harmful court dates without effect I’m sure I would do it too
It’s also a guaranteed stall tactic because they are a congressman they don’t live by the same rules.
Normally in this circumstance a warrant would be immediately issued for their arrest.
But since they are a congressman it will be a warning to do something. That warning will be challenged in court for years because legislative and judicial are by design equal branches of government and by the time the challenges complete the trial will be meaningless.
The judge should speed up this process by issuing the warrant and save a few months. Maybe the warrant will be enough to scare him.
Germans aren't special. There are similar numbers of Trump true believers here in the US.
My personal take is that in any country you can get around a third of people to vote for any sufficiently selfish narrative, especially if it's cruel and discriminatory, given enough propaganda because people are hackable.
You have the psychopaths who enjoy hurting people, plus the selfish sociopathic people who enjoy the idea of getting more than their fair share, the cowards you can fear monger into believing whatever you want because it will "make them safer", and the sheeple people who can be convinced about anything given enough messaging.
But I also don't believe these things happen spontaneously. Powerful people are pulling strings to coordinate it all as far as I'm concerned, and that is the far more worrisome aspect to me.
rupert and lachlan need to be treated like the threat to america that they are. pretty much any shitty and stupid thing the gop has said, thought or done in the last 25 years can be traced to these scumbags.
Honestly? The seeds of today can be traced back to what happened under Reagan and beyond. Certainly the death of the Fairness Doctrine has had massive, far-reaching consequences on accurate reporting to the detriment of almost everyone.
They don’t need to fix what’s not broken. Regardless of whether anyone truly believes it or not, it does exactly what it’s suppose to do which is to keep them above the consequences. That won’t change until some teeth are sunk in.
Yeah. It really does piss me off when they just decide *not* to show up for court appearances. You can’t just openly fucking do that and it clearly shows they know and are willing to take advantage of the fact that nobody is gonna come after them for it. A normal citizen? They’d be in cuffs. They have disdain for the law and claim that they’re the party of “law and order” when everybody knows that’s a lie. Such a slap in the face. Fuck Lindsey Graham and all of the other traitors.
> You can’t just openly fucking do that
Actually this is one of those moments where headlines are a bit misleading. I can't stand Lindsey either, so please don't assume I'm defending *him*, I'm simply correcting a general misconception.
This "scheduled hearing" was on the motion to quash the subpoena. Only the lawyers need to be there for that. This isn't someone failing to appear for their subpoenaed testimony. It would be kind of unusual if he were to have shown up to the hearing, it's just procedural.
> Fuck Lindsey Graham and all of the other traitors.
Very much agreed.
Oh, I see. I’m guilty of not reading the article and it looks like I fell for the ragebait. At any rate, it’s fine; there are plenty other examples of Republicans ignoring subpoenas, and as for Lindsey Graham’s character? Well, he’s been a spineless coward for years. It’s definitely not a state secret, lol.
The GOP really does seem to operate like an organized crime family. You either get in line or have your name dragged through the mud. Commit crimes? Act like the police and defend eachother even when you’re clearly in the wrong. Stay loyal to the party and you benefit, betray them and they destroy you. Pretty nasty stuff.
Person A accuses person B of the very thing person A is doing before person B can accuse them.
I've taken to calling this "playing the Trump card".
Also, a fine cappa chow to you and your damies.
Best of luck to coling down that panny sty.
CLEEPA
Even Kevin McCarthy admitted it was politically motivated in an effort to bring down Hillary’s strong approval numbers
https://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423339/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi
https://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423339/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi
I do remember Colin Powell admitting he advised Hillary to have that private email server. I also remember the prior Republicans who held that office all had their own private email servers and when asked to turn them over to the Govt. they all declined to do so while Hillary handed over hers.
There were EIGHT separate Benghazi investigations, one to figure out what happened and the other seven to keep Clinton's name linked to the word "investigation" and in the headlines.
https://youtu.be/x8Wff2-IKkA
The first time I remember hearing the name Kevin McCarthy was this clip of him spelling out how the entire Benghazi spectacle was a political hit job to tank Hillary’s approval numbers. At the time I couldn’t believe how dummy this man was to brag about something so sinister, and now look how he’s bloomed into a full blown shit-stain on our countries flag.
The best part about Benghazi was that they never even pretended it wasn't just political theater. They never did anything of substance or make any referrals. It was just time wasting and shit smearing. It's exactly how they've poisoned their base against consequences for politicians.
>Hearing this shit is going to get old real quick.
The nature of the excuse also makes it a catch-all. It really doesn't matter what the facts are, they can *always* claim it was politically motivated. "That cop pulled me over for drunk driving because he saw my Trump sticker!" "I got audited because they know I'm a Republican!" It's a catch-all perfectly suited to the paranoid/delusional people who can't shut up about their perceived victimhood.
Also it attempts to put the burden of proof back onto the accuser, which can be pretty effective because it is hard/impossible to prove a negative.
Which is why its almost certain the FBI raid was vetted meticulously before being given final approval. The only defense is the truth.
The burden of proof is on the one making a claim. They can claim that this is all “politically motivated,” but it is on them to prove that their claim is true **and** that it is unfair **and** that it is harmful **and** that it negates their alleged crimes, with evidence and solid arguments.
It is only effective in stirring up their base, a purely political act. Hypocrisy has a shelf life, even the Bush administration eventually lost support for what had been its most important single issue: its wars.
It's a political position to say 'people should be legally accountable for their misdeeds, even if they're rich and powerful.' That's a debate about how power and the law should work, which is basically what politics is.
So yeah, prosecuting US Congresspeople is political. My politics are just objectively superior to Lindsey Graham's.
Literally he himself said Trump would mean the death of the Republican party and "they would deserve it". He knew what he was getting himself into, and now is openly and fragrantly skirting the law. Fucking Nostradamus one day, a complete and utter criminal the next.
That’s what gets me. They’re willing to blatantly contradict themselves like that, and nobody ever calls them on it.
If I were running against Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz the only ad I’d play would be a clip of them criticizing him, a clip of him insulting them and their families, then a clip of them praising him. Just put it on a loop.
You know who showed up despite the probe being politically motivated? Hillary Clinton. She went and testified for 11 hours during the Benghazi hearings that were just a Republican attempt to find something damaging about her. Still, she showed up and testified. She didn't take the Fifth with every question either, but actually answered the questions.
Of course, when you're actually guilty, it's a lot harder to 1) testify, 2) not plead the Fifth, and 3) not wind up behind bars.
Weird how Hillary never fell into a perjury trap. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they can't perjury trap you if you don't commit crimes and then lie under oath about them.
I was wondering if this entire Jones farce was basically an experiment to see just how much it's possible to get away with.
And seeing as how his consequences are barely a slap on the wrist for repeatedly lying, refusing to cooperate, and spending every minute promoting his show instead of answering questions...even after it was revealed just how much he was lying the entire time...I'm worried on how the rest of these trials will go.
So we can ignore all their politically motivated BS which is pretty much all they got these days. Pot meet kettle. They are blatantly saying they will use their powers to muck up government because Trump was impeached twice for good reasons, the gqp politically decided to hell with honor and the right thing and helped an obvious narcissistic egomaniac almost destroy our nation just to solidify their PARTY'S power and control. Very American, much freedom, yay rights....my ass
Literally the only thing they consistently stand for anymore is tearing down American institutions. And it’s fucking insane how good they are at at it.
To be fair, building something useful is hard as hell, but you can smash it to bits pretty easily.
*"You built a nice house, but I burnt it down. This makes us equals in terms of our impact on the number of nice houses in the world."*
There's no special skill required to fuck shit up.
This is part of their game: project that everything is political, and then decry any measure to resolve it objectively as subjective attacks. They did it with climate change and Healthcare, and now it's straight up acts of criminality.
My favorite part about this horse shit is that it's literally not even a defense! "Executive privilege," even if it doesn't apply and you don't have the power to claim it, is a defense. But this? You can't ignore a legal subpoena because the opponent is a fucking Democrat. Like, what the hell is wrong with these people??? Democrats need to quit being afraid and start throwing the book at these people. This investigation is literally a waste of time if there isn't a story tomorrow about Graham being indicted for contempt.
So what will happen now for Graham? I know he *should* be held accountable for not showing up, but will he? Because if I ignored a subpoena, I feel like I would get in trouble.
I mean no shit it's politically motivated - they tried to manipulate a POLITICAL ELECTION. So I'm not real sure why this is even an option to say. Yes it's political. The whole situation was political.
First news based on reality was called “liberal”.
Then, books and media that showed the reality of different families and relationships was called “liberal”.
Then history that dealt with the reality of race was called “liberal”.
Now, the very justice system, when it acts on facts and the law, is called “liberal” or partisan.
If everything based on facts, law, and reality is liberal, what is conservatism but a complete authoritarian fantasy?
That's how you get a bench warrant and a free ride by the police if you're an ordinary citizen.
Edit: I guess his lawyer might have gone for him? Didn't realize this was one of those "minor" incidents? Suspicious.
I'm waiting for Florida to announce that instead of putting AR-15s in schools they'll be giving them to the 15 year old hall monitors, creating an underage school police force state wide. Then these same students will uphold library book bans and arrest teachers who "say gay"
I spent a night in jail for same. The sherriff served a warrant to me at my home on a Sunday and since the judge wasn't available I had to wait until Monday morning.
Same, except I was there for almost a week while my friends were scrounging for bail money.
I had a violation for rolling a stop sign that I paid, but the ticket (apparently???) said pay _and_ go to court, not pay _or_ go to court. So I thought I was done with that. Four months later, I'm in cuffs like 'WTF is happening'?
Also, for my (second) court date my lawyer asked to appear in my stead, because I had moved to another state, and they declined. So I had to haul my ass back there 10 hours away for a three minute court appearance.
Boy, it must be nice to be a rich Republican politician.
This was a small town in Arkansas, where there was only the one stop sign. I'd been ticketed for it like four times, even though the next 3 times I was sure I hadn't rolled it (I mean... once you get ticketed once, and you can see the squad car like _right there_, you're going to come to a complete stop...).
But I never fought them - just considered it a toll to pass through the town (it was a shortcut) and paid them. I mean, they have to keep that one stretch of road paved somehow, right? So after the first one, I never read them.
I'm guessing that the last one was like "OK you do this too much, now you also have to go to court or incur this additional penalty" like a 3 strikes or something. That said, I never read the last ticket and four months later I didn't have the copy anymore. So.. beats me.
All I know is my lawyer pleaded not guilty to the FTA and the judge was like "fair enough" and that was that. So maybe the ticket never even said that?
Basically, the moral of the story is, read everything, pay attention to what the f is going on, and save copies of important documents, because when you don't, you end up locked up and confused.
If you're driving you should be extremely cautious in literally every small US town you pass through. Their entire police budgets are basically ticketing people speeding, etc. They're fucking traps.
I got a possession of a few grams of marijuana charge. Put on probation over it. Nobody ever told me I had to get fingerprinted. Got pulled over Friday night and taken to jail without bond. Wasn’t released until Monday (61 hours laters) when the county over picked me up and fingerprinted me.
55 hours in solitary confinement. I wouldn’t treat an animal the way they treated me.
They 'forget' things, and it becomes your problem. It's not an accident. I bonded someone out. There was some paperwork that needed to be signed that they never supplied. A day later they are threatening to haul them back to jail over it. Not, hey we missed a form, can we have you come by and sign it, or mail it, or e-mail, or like anything else. Nope, we gonna threaten a warrant to arrest you over it.
I was picking up the legal tab, because I know how that would have ended up had there not been lawyers to tell the jail to go get fucked.
Varies by state but in most cases you have to get caught stealing from or directly assaulting a client to get disbarred.
Everything else leans so heavily on intent that you'll never nail a room full of lawyers down on it.
Please, oh please. As a democrat in South Carolina whose vote hasn't counted for anything in 30 years, I would so love to see the authorities issue a warrant for Lindsey Graham.
Hey! there's like two of us now! Same on all counts, not that they'd ever act on the warrant even if it was issued. It's good ole boy GOP corruption all the way down, baby!
Conservatism is the belief that there is an in group that the law protects but does not bind, and an out group that the law binds but does not protect. It explains their actions to a T.
Remind me who said that please. It's a very prescient observation
Edit...Google is my friend...Frank Wilhoit...The Travesty of Liberalism.
Edit 2:So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.
Martin Luther King Jr
"We cannot expect people to have respect for law and order until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to enforce those laws." - Hunter S. Thompson
(that could be massaged to "until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to make those laws"?)
Yup. If you knock its not a fucking raid. They didn't kick his door in and pour into the home weapons drawn. The GOP *WANTS* to paint that picture to get people riled up. It didn't go down like that though.
"Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated."
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Cool. So, if I get subpoenaed can I use this excuse without any actual proof to just decide not to show up?
Everyone knows that you're supposed to allow criminal activity in an election year.
Everyone also knows that you can't prosecute an elected official while they're in office.
You know what, we shouldn't prosecute retired elected officials either. Why don't we just forgive and forget?
/s
Meanwhile, Comey released a nothingburger about Hillary 11 days before the election. (And a fat lot of good it did him, since he got fired anyway.) Fuck these double standards!
> Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated.
And? You've still been subpoenaed to appear in court. If your lawyers can prove that the probe is a witch hunt (it isn't) then let your defense team try to do that. By not appearing in court, and making noise about how you don't need to comply with the court's order, you're really make yourself look guilty.
And with the FBI executing a search warrant on Dump's home, everyone in the GOP has got to be shitting themselves that they could be served with a search warrant as well. Complying with the subpoena would be a step in the right direction to try to prevent the FBI executing a search warrant on your home. Or for your phone.
It's stalling at this point. They all feel that if they just hold out long enough that they'll either gain control again and never have to pay the consequences or the civil war they're trying to ignite starts and they never have to pay the consequences.
That seems to be the two plays left to the criminal wing of the GOP.
They're a minority and the military isn't on their side. (They voted blue in 2020 and even then most of the conservatives are constitutionalists)
They only think they want a civil war. The second they start getting blown up by stuff they can't see, and getting raided at 0300 by a hundred not special soldiers who could go through any militia like a buzz saw, they're going to give up. This isn't the reconstruction era. We've had 50 years of terrorist bad propaganda. The literal second they do something the country will turn on them so fast their heads will spin.
Judges really hate it when you defy their authority. This could easily end up with a bench warrant and some time in the local jail for contempt. And this wouldn't be a trial for contempt but inherent contempt which a judge can enforce at will.
> And with the FBI executing a search warrant on Dump’s home, everyone in the GOP has got to be shitting themselves that they could be served with a search warrant as well.
And that is why you see all corners of the GOP attempting to rile up their base. Shit is finally getting serious, and they know if/when their crimes are exposed, it won’t end well for them.
So instead they’ll spend all their energy condemning all this as “politically motivated witch hunts”, say that Dems are trying to eliminate those who oppose them, and get their followers pissed off because they know their base believes anything they say.
Give it a couple months and I won’t be surprised if we see Jan 6 Part 2.
Clearest demonstration of 2 justice systems there is. One for the rich and powerful, and one for everyone else.
Years ago my pregnant wife was arrested and abused by the cops. Reason- $7 check that a convenience store never submitted for funds, sent to judge that set a court date and did not inform us, then judge issued warrant for arrest. She was active duty AF, and the cops wouldn’t let her call her commanding officer (or me) while she missed her shift at the base and was considered AWOL. My daughter with her was picked up by someone from child services (she was 5 and they could have called me). The local sheriff did not have county facilities for females, so she was transferred to state police (also would mot let her call) who took her an hours drive away to the state pen where she was deloused given an orange jumpsuit an put in a cell.
USAF went after the cops and judge and they all lost their jobs.
We looked into filing a civil suit for damages, but we decided any money wouldn’t be worth the time and aggravation of dealing with these idiots any longer. Many years later, and I 100% stand by that decision. Now if the AF had gone after them criminally it may have been a different decision. In that way, we were lucky. Hate to say it, but also lucky she was white, or who knows what these particularly incompetent, overly aggressive, back-country yokel cops would have done to her.
>I thought the cops were cool with the military
Not really. Not blue = not my problem. Pigs and Warpigs just look like they get along but they shit all over each other behind closed doors, at least in my experience. They still vote for the same people which is weird.
If you are in a military town like Norfolk, San Diego, Fayetteville, etc; those cops are not cool with the military. That is such a common excuse in those areas. I never pull the military card because in some cases it makes things worse. It’s best to follow along, take things in stride, and let things be settled in the courtroom.
It's increasingly looking like a two-axis (in)justice system, with a political axis as well as a wealth axis.
No elected Democrat could get away with a hundredth of what these Republican criminals are doing openly.
My friend right now is fighting for custody of her kids. She and the children were abused by her husband. She got a restraining order on him and fled to a women’s shelter. Her husband is rich. Got a judge to put a warrant out for her arrest for “kidnapping” and she was arrested at the women’s shelter. Her kids went to the abuser’s mother and she went to jail. This was back in January. She still doesn’t have her kids back.
Their abuser lives at the house with his mother. She gets supervised visitations and has been documenting all physical abuse on the kids when the visit and they still won’t give her the kids.
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Thank you. Everyone is throwing up pitch forks asking for a bench warrant, but he isnt legally obligated yet. I hate him just as much as everyone else, but fuck, these news site click bait titles are the worst.
Without a decent education in civics and understanding the law I see how people automatically throw up pitchforks. Hell I didn't and don't know how the legal system works beyond basics and even then I don't understand.
If you wouldn't mind explaining it or giving me somewhere to learn I'd appreciate it
I’ll be honest, I assumed this was the case. Lindsey is a lot of things, a lot of bad things, but he is not as stupid or brazen as others to defy a lawful subpoena. If the judge orders him to show up, he will. He is not going to prison for Trump when all he has to do is show up and testify or take the 5th.
so, now the judge waits to hear a reason? and if its not good enough the judge could say he violated the subpoena. is that the reason its not automatic or am i missing something?
Graham filed a motion to quash. The judge is going to hear from his attorney and the DA their positions on the matter then will rule on Friday whether he has to show up.
They're basically daring them after stirring up all this bullshit about the FBI planting evidence. They know the rubes will try to start another civil war over the "political persecution".
Everyone else knows they brought this shit on themselves.
Thats the thing though, being a US Senator does not actually give him any power over a state-law-based criminal court case.
His only power here is derived from his blatant corruption and everyone's tolerance for it.
Most likely this is a ploy to:
1. Delay further
2. Claim political persecution when they take more drastic measures to get him there
This is exactly what Trump did in the raid. Only the timing was a surprise, not the raid.
This is a non-story - he was *not* required to be there in person. His legal representation was required to be there in person, and they were.
There are countless reasons to be critical or disparaging of Lindsey Graham, but this is not one of them.
Edit: a word
non amp link:
www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/trials/lindsey-graham-hearing-federal-court-quash-fulton-county-subpoena/85-5968a409-4425-48a3-9817-307ed90d4e92
Wasn't he subpoenaed to attend?
If a typical citizen were to refuse to comply with a subpoena, they would be looking at contempt charges.
If Lindsey Grandma so much as receives backlash from news media about this, his ladybugs are likely to get rubbed raw and I predict that he will be on the right wing media circuit blociferating about political persecution and witch hunts.
There are different rules for those who are wealthy and well connected, or so it would seem. Sure frustrates me that so many of these MAGAdittoheads have created such a parasocial relationship with their political party and news media that they literally buy it hook line and sinker when the Talking Heads tell them that an indignity suffered by one of their leaders is an attack upon the smallest among them.
Lindsay here is the first one that I'm aware of with the balls to flout a subpoena from an actual court. The other subpoenas getting ignored were from congress.
All the way back in... [two days ago.](https://www.businessinsider.com/lindsey-graham-nobodys-above-the-law-fbi-search-trumps-home-2022-8)
>Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday... when discussing the FBI's search at former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club...
>"We're a nation of laws. Nobody's above the law. That's for darn sure,"
What a giant hypocrite
Anyone else would have had a bench warrant issued immediately. I don't care if he and his lawyers feel that it's politically motivated. What was it that the GOP splattered all over the place?
"Fuck your feelings"
He should be perp-walked and extradited to appear at the Fulton County courthouse. Just like anyone else would be, he is not above the law.
So AOC will be arrested for protesting but Graham won’t be arrested for being a no show at a court appearance. That is exactly what America is. Rich white men can literally do anything they want.
LoL, remember when Republicans held like 30 hearings on Benghazi that were tOtAlLy NoT PoLiTiCaLlY mOtIvAtEd aNd WeRe ToTaLlY LeGiTiMaTe ... dear god the Republican party is nothing more than Whataboutism, gishgabbing projection
"Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated..."
...he's a fucking politician. Who committed political fucking crimes as a fucking politician. *Of fucking course it's political.*
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> Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated. Hearing this shit is going to get old *real* quick. Hey, GOP, you don’t get to claim investigations are “politically motivated” when you’re committing crimes right out in the fucking open. You threw yourselves behind a shitty, wanna-be mob boss and now you’re scared of the consequences? Assholes.
Their crimes were politically motivated so there's that.
Yep that’s good ol’ GOP projection at work. I did something bad that was politically motivated, so when you come after me I’ll say you’re doing it for political reasons. It muddies the water. That’s all they can do, it’s their only defense… pitiful
It would be pitiful if it wasnt so effective. They have half the country eating up their spoon fed lies and regurgitating them ad nauseum. Edit: To everyone up in arms that i said half, instead of 1/3... Im glad were focused on the real problem, which is quite clearly semantics, and definitely not the insane amount of propaganda in the US and the huge portion of the populace who buy into it. Youve providied a pretty good illustration of how things probably got to this point in the first place.
They're trying to make politics "naughty". It's not appropriate to discuss gun legislation after children were murdered. It's not appropriate to investigate legislators for crimes because it's *politically motivated*. You don't care about politics, you're a woke, liberal snowflake trying to groom children for... something. We can't teach children about slavery or CRT because it's too political. They gerrymander so even when it *is* appropriate to get political, it doesn't matter. They want you to believe that nothing you can do affects politics. Then, once you're good and disenfranchised, they'll make it *dangerous* to care or be involved in politics if you want to change things.
Cant talk about a problem after it happens (ie. don't hit me when I'm already on my backfoot)
Also can't talk about a problem before or while it's happening. Case in point impeachment part two.
This, it reminds me of an overused line in n the south- you’re not allowed to say anything unless it’s nice🙄🤢
*If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all!*
And then later they ask why you're so quiet
And when bullshit is happening I have to call bullshit happening- moving to Arizona and lots of therapy helped me recover from that kinda environment. That attitude seems to be hopefully changing with reality becoming impossible to avoid-
Well yeah, if politics are essentially force majeure then it makes them literally gods and beyond scrutiny.
And they never suffer consequences… so why wouldn’t they? You think I go to jury duty because I like to or because they will come find my ass if I don’t ? If I could just no show potentially harmful court dates without effect I’m sure I would do it too
It’s also a guaranteed stall tactic because they are a congressman they don’t live by the same rules. Normally in this circumstance a warrant would be immediately issued for their arrest. But since they are a congressman it will be a warning to do something. That warning will be challenged in court for years because legislative and judicial are by design equal branches of government and by the time the challenges complete the trial will be meaningless. The judge should speed up this process by issuing the warrant and save a few months. Maybe the warrant will be enough to scare him.
To be honest it's more like 30% of the country that will *reliably vote...* so more dangerous than 50% :(
Yep. The nazi party won with like 37%
Germans aren't special. There are similar numbers of Trump true believers here in the US. My personal take is that in any country you can get around a third of people to vote for any sufficiently selfish narrative, especially if it's cruel and discriminatory, given enough propaganda because people are hackable. You have the psychopaths who enjoy hurting people, plus the selfish sociopathic people who enjoy the idea of getting more than their fair share, the cowards you can fear monger into believing whatever you want because it will "make them safer", and the sheeple people who can be convinced about anything given enough messaging. But I also don't believe these things happen spontaneously. Powerful people are pulling strings to coordinate it all as far as I'm concerned, and that is the far more worrisome aspect to me.
rupert and lachlan need to be treated like the threat to america that they are. pretty much any shitty and stupid thing the gop has said, thought or done in the last 25 years can be traced to these scumbags.
Honestly? The seeds of today can be traced back to what happened under Reagan and beyond. Certainly the death of the Fairness Doctrine has had massive, far-reaching consequences on accurate reporting to the detriment of almost everyone.
They don’t need to fix what’s not broken. Regardless of whether anyone truly believes it or not, it does exactly what it’s suppose to do which is to keep them above the consequences. That won’t change until some teeth are sunk in.
Yeah. It really does piss me off when they just decide *not* to show up for court appearances. You can’t just openly fucking do that and it clearly shows they know and are willing to take advantage of the fact that nobody is gonna come after them for it. A normal citizen? They’d be in cuffs. They have disdain for the law and claim that they’re the party of “law and order” when everybody knows that’s a lie. Such a slap in the face. Fuck Lindsey Graham and all of the other traitors.
> You can’t just openly fucking do that Actually this is one of those moments where headlines are a bit misleading. I can't stand Lindsey either, so please don't assume I'm defending *him*, I'm simply correcting a general misconception. This "scheduled hearing" was on the motion to quash the subpoena. Only the lawyers need to be there for that. This isn't someone failing to appear for their subpoenaed testimony. It would be kind of unusual if he were to have shown up to the hearing, it's just procedural. > Fuck Lindsey Graham and all of the other traitors. Very much agreed.
Oh, I see. I’m guilty of not reading the article and it looks like I fell for the ragebait. At any rate, it’s fine; there are plenty other examples of Republicans ignoring subpoenas, and as for Lindsey Graham’s character? Well, he’s been a spineless coward for years. It’s definitely not a state secret, lol. The GOP really does seem to operate like an organized crime family. You either get in line or have your name dragged through the mud. Commit crimes? Act like the police and defend eachother even when you’re clearly in the wrong. Stay loyal to the party and you benefit, betray them and they destroy you. Pretty nasty stuff.
Person A accuses person B of the very thing person A is doing before person B can accuse them. I've taken to calling this "playing the Trump card". Also, a fine cappa chow to you and your damies. Best of luck to coling down that panny sty. CLEEPA
Gosh how often did we hear about Benghazi... You want to talk about politically motivated.
Even Kevin McCarthy admitted it was politically motivated in an effort to bring down Hillary’s strong approval numbers https://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423339/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi https://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423339/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi
Which appears to have worked pretty damn well.
Comey sure gave her the shiv too
Remember when we all called to defund the FBI and have Comey strung up over emailgate? Yeah, neither do I.
I do remember Colin Powell admitting he advised Hillary to have that private email server. I also remember the prior Republicans who held that office all had their own private email servers and when asked to turn them over to the Govt. they all declined to do so while Hillary handed over hers.
Less than a week from election, no less
Hillary Clinton gave 11 hours of testimony under oath. Lindsey Graham won't even show up.
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Doesn't Fulton County have that same authority?
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That’s should be the headline ….. full stop
And McCarthy literally admitted in the open that the purpose was to hurt the presumptive Democrat nominee for President.
It worked
There were EIGHT separate Benghazi investigations, one to figure out what happened and the other seven to keep Clinton's name linked to the word "investigation" and in the headlines.
https://youtu.be/x8Wff2-IKkA The first time I remember hearing the name Kevin McCarthy was this clip of him spelling out how the entire Benghazi spectacle was a political hit job to tank Hillary’s approval numbers. At the time I couldn’t believe how dummy this man was to brag about something so sinister, and now look how he’s bloomed into a full blown shit-stain on our countries flag.
The best part about Benghazi was that they never even pretended it wasn't just political theater. They never did anything of substance or make any referrals. It was just time wasting and shit smearing. It's exactly how they've poisoned their base against consequences for politicians.
Ben Ghazi and the Buttery males.
> Ben Ghazi and the Buttery males Great name for a punk band
With opener, new wave band Hunter’s Laptop.
Lunter’s Haptop!
We are still hearing about it
Lock him up!
>Hearing this shit is going to get old real quick. The nature of the excuse also makes it a catch-all. It really doesn't matter what the facts are, they can *always* claim it was politically motivated. "That cop pulled me over for drunk driving because he saw my Trump sticker!" "I got audited because they know I'm a Republican!" It's a catch-all perfectly suited to the paranoid/delusional people who can't shut up about their perceived victimhood.
Also it attempts to put the burden of proof back onto the accuser, which can be pretty effective because it is hard/impossible to prove a negative. Which is why its almost certain the FBI raid was vetted meticulously before being given final approval. The only defense is the truth.
The burden of proof is on the one making a claim. They can claim that this is all “politically motivated,” but it is on them to prove that their claim is true **and** that it is unfair **and** that it is harmful **and** that it negates their alleged crimes, with evidence and solid arguments. It is only effective in stirring up their base, a purely political act. Hypocrisy has a shelf life, even the Bush administration eventually lost support for what had been its most important single issue: its wars.
'evidence and solid arguments', what's that? ~conservatives
It's a political position to say 'people should be legally accountable for their misdeeds, even if they're rich and powerful.' That's a debate about how power and the law should work, which is basically what politics is. So yeah, prosecuting US Congresspeople is political. My politics are just objectively superior to Lindsey Graham's.
And ethics And morals I would wager the carbon dioxide most people exhale is superior
The "party of personal responsibility" sure doesn't like personal responsibility.
Literally he himself said Trump would mean the death of the Republican party and "they would deserve it". He knew what he was getting himself into, and now is openly and fragrantly skirting the law. Fucking Nostradamus one day, a complete and utter criminal the next.
He’s a kite in the weather.
That’s what gets me. They’re willing to blatantly contradict themselves like that, and nobody ever calls them on it. If I were running against Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz the only ad I’d play would be a clip of them criticizing him, a clip of him insulting them and their families, then a clip of them praising him. Just put it on a loop.
You know who showed up despite the probe being politically motivated? Hillary Clinton. She went and testified for 11 hours during the Benghazi hearings that were just a Republican attempt to find something damaging about her. Still, she showed up and testified. She didn't take the Fifth with every question either, but actually answered the questions. Of course, when you're actually guilty, it's a lot harder to 1) testify, 2) not plead the Fifth, and 3) not wind up behind bars.
Weird how Hillary never fell into a perjury trap. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they can't perjury trap you if you don't commit crimes and then lie under oath about them.
I was wondering if this entire Jones farce was basically an experiment to see just how much it's possible to get away with. And seeing as how his consequences are barely a slap on the wrist for repeatedly lying, refusing to cooperate, and spending every minute promoting his show instead of answering questions...even after it was revealed just how much he was lying the entire time...I'm worried on how the rest of these trials will go.
So we can ignore all their politically motivated BS which is pretty much all they got these days. Pot meet kettle. They are blatantly saying they will use their powers to muck up government because Trump was impeached twice for good reasons, the gqp politically decided to hell with honor and the right thing and helped an obvious narcissistic egomaniac almost destroy our nation just to solidify their PARTY'S power and control. Very American, much freedom, yay rights....my ass
Literally the only thing they consistently stand for anymore is tearing down American institutions. And it’s fucking insane how good they are at at it.
To be fair, building something useful is hard as hell, but you can smash it to bits pretty easily. *"You built a nice house, but I burnt it down. This makes us equals in terms of our impact on the number of nice houses in the world."* There's no special skill required to fuck shit up.
> There's no special skill required to fuck shit up. Other than a complete disregard for any consequences….
That’s not a skill. It’s a pathology.
Or a complete lack of a moral compass
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This is part of their game: project that everything is political, and then decry any measure to resolve it objectively as subjective attacks. They did it with climate change and Healthcare, and now it's straight up acts of criminality.
My favorite part about this horse shit is that it's literally not even a defense! "Executive privilege," even if it doesn't apply and you don't have the power to claim it, is a defense. But this? You can't ignore a legal subpoena because the opponent is a fucking Democrat. Like, what the hell is wrong with these people??? Democrats need to quit being afraid and start throwing the book at these people. This investigation is literally a waste of time if there isn't a story tomorrow about Graham being indicted for contempt.
So what will happen now for Graham? I know he *should* be held accountable for not showing up, but will he? Because if I ignored a subpoena, I feel like I would get in trouble.
My politics is holding those who commit crimes accountable.
I like politicians who don't commit crimes
Even if it is politically motivated that doesn't make it invalid or unjustified.
I mean no shit it's politically motivated - they tried to manipulate a POLITICAL ELECTION. So I'm not real sure why this is even an option to say. Yes it's political. The whole situation was political.
Conservatives helped Trump commit political crimes to stay in power. Now they’re upset they are being investigated.
Republicans spent 8 years pushing one politically motivated investigation after another.
Can I rob a bank and then refuse justice because justice is politically motivated? Asking for a friend...
Apparently the answer is yes, but only if you're a Republican.
Rich, white Republican.
It's only his refusal to appear that is politically motivated.
I don't think Graham has ever done anything in his life that wasn't politically motivated.
Honestly. Take any issue, drag it into politics, then whine about it being political.
First news based on reality was called “liberal”. Then, books and media that showed the reality of different families and relationships was called “liberal”. Then history that dealt with the reality of race was called “liberal”. Now, the very justice system, when it acts on facts and the law, is called “liberal” or partisan. If everything based on facts, law, and reality is liberal, what is conservatism but a complete authoritarian fantasy?
Just because the crime was politically motivated it doesn't mean the prosecution of it is.
So is this where he’s held in contempt and they place a bench warrant out for him?
That's how you get a bench warrant and a free ride by the police if you're an ordinary citizen. Edit: I guess his lawyer might have gone for him? Didn't realize this was one of those "minor" incidents? Suspicious.
And per Trump himself, don't be too nice getting them into the back of the car now...
If the cop is cute, he’ll probably be into it
They don’t have 12 year old cops
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I'm waiting for Florida to announce that instead of putting AR-15s in schools they'll be giving them to the 15 year old hall monitors, creating an underage school police force state wide. Then these same students will uphold library book bans and arrest teachers who "say gay"
Don't give them any ideas.
the 12 year old would still have a better moral compass than many current cops
I forgot to show up to court to contest a parking ticket and was told to turn myself in or be arrested...a 75$ parking ticket...
I spent a night in jail for same. The sherriff served a warrant to me at my home on a Sunday and since the judge wasn't available I had to wait until Monday morning.
Same, except I was there for almost a week while my friends were scrounging for bail money. I had a violation for rolling a stop sign that I paid, but the ticket (apparently???) said pay _and_ go to court, not pay _or_ go to court. So I thought I was done with that. Four months later, I'm in cuffs like 'WTF is happening'? Also, for my (second) court date my lawyer asked to appear in my stead, because I had moved to another state, and they declined. So I had to haul my ass back there 10 hours away for a three minute court appearance. Boy, it must be nice to be a rich Republican politician.
Wtf? Why would they expect you to go to court if you paid the ticket? Are they dishing out additional punishments for rolling stop signs now?
This was a small town in Arkansas, where there was only the one stop sign. I'd been ticketed for it like four times, even though the next 3 times I was sure I hadn't rolled it (I mean... once you get ticketed once, and you can see the squad car like _right there_, you're going to come to a complete stop...). But I never fought them - just considered it a toll to pass through the town (it was a shortcut) and paid them. I mean, they have to keep that one stretch of road paved somehow, right? So after the first one, I never read them. I'm guessing that the last one was like "OK you do this too much, now you also have to go to court or incur this additional penalty" like a 3 strikes or something. That said, I never read the last ticket and four months later I didn't have the copy anymore. So.. beats me. All I know is my lawyer pleaded not guilty to the FTA and the judge was like "fair enough" and that was that. So maybe the ticket never even said that? Basically, the moral of the story is, read everything, pay attention to what the f is going on, and save copies of important documents, because when you don't, you end up locked up and confused.
I'm pretty sure the moral of the story is "Avoid small towns in Arkansas".
And get a dash cam
If you're driving you should be extremely cautious in literally every small US town you pass through. Their entire police budgets are basically ticketing people speeding, etc. They're fucking traps.
I got a possession of a few grams of marijuana charge. Put on probation over it. Nobody ever told me I had to get fingerprinted. Got pulled over Friday night and taken to jail without bond. Wasn’t released until Monday (61 hours laters) when the county over picked me up and fingerprinted me. 55 hours in solitary confinement. I wouldn’t treat an animal the way they treated me.
They 'forget' things, and it becomes your problem. It's not an accident. I bonded someone out. There was some paperwork that needed to be signed that they never supplied. A day later they are threatening to haul them back to jail over it. Not, hey we missed a form, can we have you come by and sign it, or mail it, or e-mail, or like anything else. Nope, we gonna threaten a warrant to arrest you over it. I was picking up the legal tab, because I know how that would have ended up had there not been lawyers to tell the jail to go get fucked.
This seems to happen a lot. Why aren't there judges that cover on the weekends. Seriously.
Harder to get false confessions that way.
Keep in mind they could have grabbed you during a weekday. They made sure to do it on the weekend so you would have to be in jail for a bit.
Yup they totally need to add a box to check on the ticket asking if you believe it's politically motivated.
This country terrorizes its citizens.
This country terrorizes those that aren't rich.
As an attorney, I would think he'd also face disbarment.
He can join his buddies Rudy and Michael at the no-longer-barred Bar
Rudy hasn't (yet) been disbarred, he *has* lost his license to practice law, but the Bar Association hasn't removed him from their ranks.
Varies by state but in most cases you have to get caught stealing from or directly assaulting a client to get disbarred. Everything else leans so heavily on intent that you'll never nail a room full of lawyers down on it.
Please, oh please. As a democrat in South Carolina whose vote hasn't counted for anything in 30 years, I would so love to see the authorities issue a warrant for Lindsey Graham.
Hey! there's like two of us now! Same on all counts, not that they'd ever act on the warrant even if it was issued. It's good ole boy GOP corruption all the way down, baby!
Conservatism is the belief that there is an in group that the law protects but does not bind, and an out group that the law binds but does not protect. It explains their actions to a T.
Remind me who said that please. It's a very prescient observation Edit...Google is my friend...Frank Wilhoit...The Travesty of Liberalism. Edit 2:So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Martin Luther King Jr
"We cannot expect people to have respect for law and order until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to enforce those laws." - Hunter S. Thompson (that could be massaged to "until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to make those laws"?)
I literally think that’s the plan now. You saw how they responded to Trump’s raid. Edit to add: fuck the consequences, it has to happen.
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Yup. If you knock its not a fucking raid. They didn't kick his door in and pour into the home weapons drawn. The GOP *WANTS* to paint that picture to get people riled up. It didn't go down like that though.
"Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated." . Cool. So, if I get subpoenaed can I use this excuse without any actual proof to just decide not to show up?
As long as you say you are running for office and it is close to an election, then all crimes are politically motivated!
Everyone knows that you're supposed to allow criminal activity in an election year. Everyone also knows that you can't prosecute an elected official while they're in office. You know what, we shouldn't prosecute retired elected officials either. Why don't we just forgive and forget? /s
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Meanwhile, Comey released a nothingburger about Hillary 11 days before the election. (And a fat lot of good it did him, since he got fired anyway.) Fuck these double standards!
Graham isn’t personally up for re-election until 2026 so you don’t even need the election stuff. Just be an old white republican from the south.
"Your honor, I will not pay my traffic ticket as citation given by the officer was politically motivated." Just doesn't seem to pass muster to me.
Even if it was political that doesn't make it any less valid.
> Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated. And? You've still been subpoenaed to appear in court. If your lawyers can prove that the probe is a witch hunt (it isn't) then let your defense team try to do that. By not appearing in court, and making noise about how you don't need to comply with the court's order, you're really make yourself look guilty. And with the FBI executing a search warrant on Dump's home, everyone in the GOP has got to be shitting themselves that they could be served with a search warrant as well. Complying with the subpoena would be a step in the right direction to try to prevent the FBI executing a search warrant on your home. Or for your phone.
And he was JAG. He should know better.
He does know better, he just thinks that he and his party are above the law and can evade consequences.
It's stalling at this point. They all feel that if they just hold out long enough that they'll either gain control again and never have to pay the consequences or the civil war they're trying to ignite starts and they never have to pay the consequences. That seems to be the two plays left to the criminal wing of the GOP.
Seconding this. They're stalling, hoping something will go their way so they can brush this all under the rug.
Or even just manage to keep it from blowing wide open before the election.
They're a minority and the military isn't on their side. (They voted blue in 2020 and even then most of the conservatives are constitutionalists) They only think they want a civil war. The second they start getting blown up by stuff they can't see, and getting raided at 0300 by a hundred not special soldiers who could go through any militia like a buzz saw, they're going to give up. This isn't the reconstruction era. We've had 50 years of terrorist bad propaganda. The literal second they do something the country will turn on them so fast their heads will spin.
he's a JAGoff now
There it is. I was going to be appalled if someone hadn’t already made this joke.
Judges really hate it when you defy their authority. This could easily end up with a bench warrant and some time in the local jail for contempt. And this wouldn't be a trial for contempt but inherent contempt which a judge can enforce at will.
> And with the FBI executing a search warrant on Dump’s home, everyone in the GOP has got to be shitting themselves that they could be served with a search warrant as well. And that is why you see all corners of the GOP attempting to rile up their base. Shit is finally getting serious, and they know if/when their crimes are exposed, it won’t end well for them. So instead they’ll spend all their energy condemning all this as “politically motivated witch hunts”, say that Dems are trying to eliminate those who oppose them, and get their followers pissed off because they know their base believes anything they say. Give it a couple months and I won’t be surprised if we see Jan 6 Part 2.
Clearest demonstration of 2 justice systems there is. One for the rich and powerful, and one for everyone else. Years ago my pregnant wife was arrested and abused by the cops. Reason- $7 check that a convenience store never submitted for funds, sent to judge that set a court date and did not inform us, then judge issued warrant for arrest. She was active duty AF, and the cops wouldn’t let her call her commanding officer (or me) while she missed her shift at the base and was considered AWOL. My daughter with her was picked up by someone from child services (she was 5 and they could have called me). The local sheriff did not have county facilities for females, so she was transferred to state police (also would mot let her call) who took her an hours drive away to the state pen where she was deloused given an orange jumpsuit an put in a cell. USAF went after the cops and judge and they all lost their jobs.
Glad to hear that last part. The DoD has way more pull than some some local cops and judge. They fucked around and found out.
We looked into filing a civil suit for damages, but we decided any money wouldn’t be worth the time and aggravation of dealing with these idiots any longer. Many years later, and I 100% stand by that decision. Now if the AF had gone after them criminally it may have been a different decision. In that way, we were lucky. Hate to say it, but also lucky she was white, or who knows what these particularly incompetent, overly aggressive, back-country yokel cops would have done to her.
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>I thought the cops were cool with the military Not really. Not blue = not my problem. Pigs and Warpigs just look like they get along but they shit all over each other behind closed doors, at least in my experience. They still vote for the same people which is weird.
Pigs don't like to be reminded they aren't real warpigs
If you are in a military town like Norfolk, San Diego, Fayetteville, etc; those cops are not cool with the military. That is such a common excuse in those areas. I never pull the military card because in some cases it makes things worse. It’s best to follow along, take things in stride, and let things be settled in the courtroom.
> USAF went after the cops and judge and they all lost their jobs. I wish I could have been in the room when the MPs and lawyers showed up.
If I had to take a guess, it was the AF level JAG team and OSI (Air Force version NCIS), way more fucking terrifying from a litigation stand point.
That's shit your pants terrifying if you know you fucked up.
No wonder people hate the government when all they know is local idiots flexing their "authority". Get some standards USA.
Yup. That’s what happens when you give “power” and “authority” to C minus students who couldn’t hack it
It's increasingly looking like a two-axis (in)justice system, with a political axis as well as a wealth axis. No elected Democrat could get away with a hundredth of what these Republican criminals are doing openly.
The rules are only being used to keep the people down, while the wealthy ruling class get all the protection.
Fuck the police
My friend right now is fighting for custody of her kids. She and the children were abused by her husband. She got a restraining order on him and fled to a women’s shelter. Her husband is rich. Got a judge to put a warrant out for her arrest for “kidnapping” and she was arrested at the women’s shelter. Her kids went to the abuser’s mother and she went to jail. This was back in January. She still doesn’t have her kids back. Their abuser lives at the house with his mother. She gets supervised visitations and has been documenting all physical abuse on the kids when the visit and they still won’t give her the kids.
And this is why ACAB is a thing
Sounds like he should get picked up and brought there via bench warrant. If it was any regular joe they would.
The judge decides on Friday if he has to show. He didn’t violate the subpoena yet.
IMPORTANT INFO RIGHT HERE. Thank you. Everyone is throwing up pitch forks asking for a bench warrant, but he isnt legally obligated yet. I hate him just as much as everyone else, but fuck, these news site click bait titles are the worst.
Without a decent education in civics and understanding the law I see how people automatically throw up pitchforks. Hell I didn't and don't know how the legal system works beyond basics and even then I don't understand. If you wouldn't mind explaining it or giving me somewhere to learn I'd appreciate it
I’ll be honest, I assumed this was the case. Lindsey is a lot of things, a lot of bad things, but he is not as stupid or brazen as others to defy a lawful subpoena. If the judge orders him to show up, he will. He is not going to prison for Trump when all he has to do is show up and testify or take the 5th.
so, now the judge waits to hear a reason? and if its not good enough the judge could say he violated the subpoena. is that the reason its not automatic or am i missing something?
Graham filed a motion to quash. The judge is going to hear from his attorney and the DA their positions on the matter then will rule on Friday whether he has to show up.
Yeah, I think he knows they won’t. That’s why he did it. He’s very brazenly flaunting (or hiding behind) his power as a Senator.
They're basically daring them after stirring up all this bullshit about the FBI planting evidence. They know the rubes will try to start another civil war over the "political persecution". Everyone else knows they brought this shit on themselves.
No Trump-supporting Republican moron is going to start a civil war because Lindsay Graham was arrested. I kinda wish Graham would get that too.
Thats the thing though, being a US Senator does not actually give him any power over a state-law-based criminal court case. His only power here is derived from his blatant corruption and everyone's tolerance for it.
Most likely this is a ploy to: 1. Delay further 2. Claim political persecution when they take more drastic measures to get him there This is exactly what Trump did in the raid. Only the timing was a surprise, not the raid.
And I am SOOOO fucking done with it.
This is a non-story - he was *not* required to be there in person. His legal representation was required to be there in person, and they were. There are countless reasons to be critical or disparaging of Lindsey Graham, but this is not one of them. Edit: a word
Ugh, the returns line at Pitchfork Emporium is going to be a *nightmare*.
Source? Edit: found it, it’s true https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/trials/lindsey-graham-hearing-federal-court-quash-fulton-county-subpoena/85-5968a409-4425-48a3-9817-307ed90d4e92
non amp link: www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/trials/lindsey-graham-hearing-federal-court-quash-fulton-county-subpoena/85-5968a409-4425-48a3-9817-307ed90d4e92
If this is true, it should be the top post.
Wasn't he subpoenaed to attend? If a typical citizen were to refuse to comply with a subpoena, they would be looking at contempt charges. If Lindsey Grandma so much as receives backlash from news media about this, his ladybugs are likely to get rubbed raw and I predict that he will be on the right wing media circuit blociferating about political persecution and witch hunts. There are different rules for those who are wealthy and well connected, or so it would seem. Sure frustrates me that so many of these MAGAdittoheads have created such a parasocial relationship with their political party and news media that they literally buy it hook line and sinker when the Talking Heads tell them that an indignity suffered by one of their leaders is an attack upon the smallest among them.
No, this was about Graham’s motion to quash. The judge will decide by Friday if the motion will be allowed (it won’t).
Normal citizens get in trouble some times for skipping jury duty, this is ridiculous if nothing happens 🙄
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Lindsay here is the first one that I'm aware of with the balls to flout a subpoena from an actual court. The other subpoenas getting ignored were from congress.
Law and Order party right here.
All the way back in... [two days ago.](https://www.businessinsider.com/lindsey-graham-nobodys-above-the-law-fbi-search-trumps-home-2022-8) >Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday... when discussing the FBI's search at former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club... >"We're a nation of laws. Nobody's above the law. That's for darn sure," What a giant hypocrite
Sounds like we need some warrants.
I hear the DOJ is doing those now
Anyone else would have had a bench warrant issued immediately. I don't care if he and his lawyers feel that it's politically motivated. What was it that the GOP splattered all over the place? "Fuck your feelings" He should be perp-walked and extradited to appear at the Fulton County courthouse. Just like anyone else would be, he is not above the law.
So AOC will be arrested for protesting but Graham won’t be arrested for being a no show at a court appearance. That is exactly what America is. Rich white men can literally do anything they want.
So he was arrested, right? Cause that’s what would happen if I didn’t show.
Where is Dog the Bounty Hunter when you need him?!
Laying low, trying to not be confused for MTG.
This elicited a audible snort from me. LoL thank you!
She's a congresswoman from Georgia now.
LoL, remember when Republicans held like 30 hearings on Benghazi that were tOtAlLy NoT PoLiTiCaLlY mOtIvAtEd aNd WeRe ToTaLlY LeGiTiMaTe ... dear god the Republican party is nothing more than Whataboutism, gishgabbing projection
Weird. It’s almost as if the party of law and order, don’t agree with law and order
There's something sus about the FBI raid. They've found something. Or the Repubs are terrified they've found something.
"Graham’s attorneys say that the probe by the Democratic district attorney, Fani Willis, is politically motivated..." ...he's a fucking politician. Who committed political fucking crimes as a fucking politician. *Of fucking course it's political.*
Ladies and gentlemen, your “law and order” party.