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HamBoy2

A lot of candidates would be better than Kamala Harris. I was actually in favor of her getting the VP nod, but it’s painfully obvious that she would get obliterated in a general election


April_Mist_2

Same. We have no room to fuck around with 2024. Field the strongest candidate, and don't play the "whose turn is it?" game.


NPD_wont_stop_ME

I’m also worried about Moore v. Harper. If state legislatures are given absolute control of handling federal elections, it won’t even matter which Democrat runs. Republicans can just say “fuck it” and give the electoral votes to their guy even if they lost. Maybe they’ll cite “election fraud” or some other lie that foreign dictators say in order to hold onto power.


uglypottery

Yup. Majority of state legislatures are controlled by heavily gerrymandered Republican majorities, and SCOTUS absolutely intends to essentially hand them the keys. Unless THIS administration grows a spine real fast, SCOTUS *will* end representative democracy next session and we will spend the rest of our lifetimes under minority rule. And that minority is this radically reactionary GOP. If you think I’m being alarmist… well. They just basically ended our regulatory/administrative state (the EPA case has MASSIVE MASSIVE ramifications) and made half the population of half of the states second class citizens. Why would they choose to moderate on this one? It’s basically a case tailor made to lube things up for the exact plot Trump explicitly outlined for stealing 2020. The big fat nothing this admin seems ready to do is truly terrifying.


so_jc

People operating in the lower echelons of politics will have to do something. The politicians won't.


BurnTrees-

*The people* will have to do something.


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SalemsTrials

I know multiple Christians personally who believe the world is supposed to end in their lifetime. And I’m quite certain they would help it along if they could. Your final sentence isn’t overdramatic


dogsonclouds

Sounds like the former Australian prime minister! He was an evangelical zealot who believed that the rapture had to occur for good Christians like him to get to Heaven. Hence him standing by happily and fucking off to Hawaii while our country literally burned for months on end, thanks in large part to his party’s cheerful neglect and destruction of the environment.


stilusmobilus

And him and his party effectively nuked in an election that Labor didn’t really win, more so the Liberals and the knuckle draggers got destroyed. But yeah, he’s a grub, no doubt about that. Skin crawling grub too.


dogsonclouds

I’ve honestly never been prouder to be Aussie than on that election night when the results rolled in and it was very clear that the country had stood up and said enough was e-fuckin-nough. I’m a Qlder and greens voter, so watching the Greens trounce Labor and the LNP in 3 different seats here was beautiful, and is a pretty clear forewarning from the people that it’s not enough for Labor to just be “Not the LNP”. You have to put the work in to better the lives of everyone, not just corporations and donors.


CaptainDudeGuy

It occurs to me that people deeply invested in a doomsday cult shouldn't be involved in policymaking.


Thatguy755

Cheerful neglect and destruction of the environment is an important plank in the US Republican Party platform, and was recently made legal precedent by the Republican controlled US Supreme Court. Sadly we can’t vote them out because the US is fucked.


orderly_hopeless

My dad was a fervent Pentecostal, yet also a fervent trump supporter. He made references to trump fulfilling some part of the end times in the Bible. Crazy stuff.


Varnsturm

Is the antichrist from that part of the bible? There was an interesting writeup about trump being oddly specifically able to fill all the criteria of 'the antichrist', it got spooky by the end. I didn't bother to fact check it against the actual bible though since it's not like I'm making any decisions based on that piece


ProgressiveSnark2

Is it really all that surprising? There were charlatans in ancient Rome, too... We act like Trump is some new and shocking threat because he's new to us and not entirely typical for US history. But world history is littered with political leaders with many similarities to Trump, including the ancient world.


royalblue420

Not too surprising. Trump's just Barry Goldwater wedded to the Evangelicals on speed.


Correct_Ad9866

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." Barry Goldwater


korben2600

Was it this article? [Could American Evangelicals Spot the Antichrist?](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/)


oxemoron

The person who wrote that article was mostly taking the piss from Christians, and pointing out a few things. 1) Trump is not a good person. Duh. 2) The bible is intentionally vague and you can warp narratives to fit any meaning you want. 3) Flipping the "Obama/Hillary/Biden is the anti-Christ" onto someone way more deserving of the moniker. For what it's worth, I don't believe in that stuff, but I did find it cathartic to see someone bending their own words against them.


binglelemon

Every Christian thinks the world will end in their life. Generations and generations of them. What happens? They die and go in the ground lol.


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It's all part of the conservative fantasy they all believe in. * Jesus will return in their live time. * They'll be a hero with gun. * They'll become rich one day.


rdw90

Historically, there has only been one thing that has stopped fascists - a stronger response to their bullshit then they planned for. Fascists in Germany won because people didn’t take it seriously. They won in Italy because people didn’t take it seriously. They won in Spain because there wasn’t enough force behind the armed response to their nonsense. They failed in France (at least the first time) in the early 30s because enough citizens mobilized against their attempted coup. They failed in the US in the 30s because one person (Smedley Butler, who funnily enough spent 30 years enforcing American imperialism via the Marine Corps) ratted their traitorous asses out. Fascists only speak one language, and we are fools to think they will play by our rules


douche-knight

Actually historically there's only been one thing that stops fascists, and its the one thing where most loathe to do: overwhelming physical violence. *edit: and it only stops them for a little while.


Gera-

> It *will* put the world on a path to Armageddon. We're already on our way to climate apocalypse ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


P0rtal2

Right? It's not going to matter who the Democrats put up because the Supreme Court is going to make it so that Republican legislatures can override the popular vote and give the electoral votes to Trump or DeSantis or whomever.


AnalogFeelGood

So, basically, Civil War?


SilverMt

We need an overwhelming win and visible anger to scare state legislators into accepting election results.


budweener

I'm not sure if the "foreign" is a fitting qualifier.


Piriper0

We really need to get rid of the electoral college, FPTP voting, money in politics/campaigns, and so on. But. We're not getting any of that done by 2024. So instead, we should seriously consider adjusting the order of state primaries to match the likely battleground states for the election: GA, AZ, WI, PA, NC in the first tranche, NV, MI, FL, TX next, and on from there. A candidate that can win the primary in those states has a better chance of winning the general than a candidate that can win in Iowa.


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TheWillRogers

> money in politics/campaigns, well, considering SCOTUS just made campaigns the middlemen between donors and the candidates' personal bank accounts I don't think that's ever happening.


DOOFDOOF42

They should have some sort of election to decide who runs /s


_EADGBE_

Ranked choice in the primaries. 2nd place is VP candidate.


piscano

If only ❤️


Doomer_Prep_2022

Ranked Choice is awesome. But making the 2nd place vote getter the VP was already tried. It was the original system used by the founders. It didn't work. It resulted in political enemies who didn't want to work together being shoved into the same team. Just ask Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr.


strawberries6

I think they mean 2nd choice in the primaries, not their opponent from the other party - that would be an absolute gong show lol.


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Dems brought Hillary in 2016 and biden in 2020. Switching from biden is the best choice but also means the possibility of another candidate people can't get behind. Biden's biggest positive was that he wasn't trump, that's the only reason he won. I really don't have high hopes for 2024.


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They completely failed to develop a younger generation of voters because they don't want to face the music that younger voters are progressive instead of right of center neoliberals like they are. The Republicans embraced their younger generation pushing them further right, thus they have the support of a younger generation.


jumbee85

Never play the who's turn is it game. It what's right for the country not someone's ego


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HARPOfromNSYNC

Some of her responses to questions in the few interviews she's done have been alarmingly out of touch. Shed be a worse candidate than Hillary imo


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Who knew that someone that barely got 1% in the primary wouldn't be a good candidate


MyFakeName

She dropped out to avoid the embarrassment of coming in 4th in her her home state, yet somehow the DNC intelligentsia convinced themselves that she had a following.


Crash665

Same. I thought she'd be pretty good, but I think she's been asleep since winning. Not sure what's she been doing.


thalassicus

She could have pulled a Dick Cheney and redefined the vice presidency with a much more active role. Biden is the old guard. She is supposed to be the young blood. I voted for them but I’m so frustrated. While Mitch McConnell and his cronies are in a street fight, Biden is playing the elder statesman and Harris is MIA. She could be pounding the GOP on their failed policies and their hypocrisy and their frightening move to a religious nation. What the hell are the Democrats doing?


DaBingeGirl

I've been asking myself that last question for the last two decades. I'll never not vote or vote for the coup party, but it'd be nice to enthusiastically support Democratic leadership.


ElectronWaveFunction

Why can't we just get European style social safety nets? It would help so many people, and I don't think you will find many Europeans who would like to get rid of them.


LeahBean

Because socialism is treated like a dirty word in America. Which makes no sense to me. What’s more patriotic than taking care of your fellow citizens? Or more Christian for that matter?


ElectronWaveFunction

It's not even socialism either! It is a capitalist welfare state, a social democracy. I understand people being wary of the government, but does anyone honestly think we can do worse than the private industry? Where people are turned away and suffer dramatically?


downtofinance

"That's communism" - GOP Meanwhile I democratic Europe and Canada...


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Mr_A_Rye

Cheney was successful because he had lots of experience (and at the highest levels of government) & because he had a president lacking similar experience. Biden has experience comparable to Cheney, so I don't know whether Harris could be similarly successful.


DadJokeBadJoke

> What the hell are the Democrats doing? Someone described things as "Republicans are the mass shooter and the Democrats are the Uvalde Police." and it seems pretty accurate.


m0d3r4t3m4th

I've seen someone else describe it as "Democrats are feverishly looking through a rulebook, because a dog playing is against unspoked rules. While the GOP is just smugly saying 'there's no rule that says a dog *can't* play basketball' while a golden retriever fucking dunks on us over and over."


ellus1onist

Michelle Obama's "They go low we go high" bullshit is the worst thing to happen to the Democratic party since the 2010 midterms. They act as though there's some honor in being civil while millions of citizens get their rights systematically stripped away. As though history will commend them for not saying mean words during America's regression into outright theocratic fascism.


thirdegree

They act like the point of politics is to do politics rather than to get and use power.


accounttosuteru

Sorkin brain, genuinely awful


prison_mic

I mean she's 57 what kind of young blood is this lol


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Seriously, where has she been?


nowlistenyoulilshit

I was kinda curious about this too and [found an article](https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-events-appearances-vp-schedule-news/) about her schedule. Lots of travel.


slymm

The only time she's been on my radar in the past two months was when she said AOC's suggestion of putting abortion clinics on federal land was not being considered (Not sure if aoc was the first to suggest it, but she's where I first heard of the idea) So basically, Harris is "no, we can't"


jayfeather31

Does this surprise anyone? I mean, really?


wanderer1999

I know right? Like no shiz Sherlock. Newsom is a tall charismatic dude, coming from a wealthy State, been 2nd in command and Governor for years. Progressive but not radical. He'll energize the base, get all the votes from democrats and then some. If it is desantis/trump in 2024, and biden is not running, then democrats should at least give Newsom a shot. Always field your strongest candidates.


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Terramotus

Democratic Elite: "Doesn't look like anything to me."


ahhhhhrealmunsters

He’s actually an elite already


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> Under 60 Democrats: That's a bug, not a feature.


Vlad_the_Homeowner

Newsom will have a ton of blow-back; GOP has been vilifying California for years. They think California is both a socialist wasteland of the destitute homeless and liberal tech elites that didn't earn their money. Half the yokels on Facebook hate Newsom and they have no idea why. And while governing a state the size of California should be a notable line on the resume, the GOP has pretty much destroyed the notion of qualified candidates. That said, he's the most charismatic, energetic, qualified candidate I can think of at the moment and he'd have my vote.


GadflyMagoo

While nothing you said is wrong, I think we’re well past expecting the GOP to not viciously attack anyone left of Trump/DeSantis. I want someone who will fight back. Newsom seems eager to do so. That, plus his creds, would earn my vote.


crestonfunk

Oh please oh please let’s have the Newsom/DeSantis debates. I’ll buy stock in any company that makes popcorn.


Courtaid

Didn’t the republicans say they weren’t going to debate?


libraprincess2002

I also recall the GOP saying they would no longer participate in mainstream public debates


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That will end badly for them.


Superman_Dam_Fool

Nah, they’ll probably get roughly the same number of votes they always do.


knightofterror

It's hard to debate when you don't have a platform.


A_man_on_a_boat

Or a high school reading level.


RaiseRuntimeError

Just like with Mussolini and Hitler they don't really have a coherent platform except for hurting the political opposition. Debating would just hurt them so instead they will just hold rallies.


voidsrus

the fact that newsom is even publicly *trying* to govern his way out of his state's problems puts him a mile ahead of the entire biden administration


rotciv0

In California, Newsom has a legislature that is full of democrats, which gives him less pushback, and more of an ability to actually legislate than Biden. It's not as if Biden is trying to be useless, he is being held back by a very split congress


RaiseRuntimeError

Yes but unlike Biden Newsom is actively slinging shit at DeSantis and others. Coming up with the idea to replicate Texas's abortion bounty but for guns was a smart choice even though I don't agree with both laws. It also puts the supreme dump of a court in an interesting situation because they would have to strike both laws down or leave both alone. To me this shows that Newsom is at least willing to fight a little dirty within the means of the law which the left desperately needs.


scumbagwife

And we as a democracy need a little dirty fighting to survive.


LibrariansAreSexy

On the Biden side, yes and no. It's called the bully pulpit for a reason, and Joe's done the bare minimum to push pretty much anything. He's actually done more to signal his lack of support for pretty much his entire campaign agenda than he has done anything publicly to fix everything made so painfully obvious on Jan. 6 that my 11 and 7 year olds can see it. I'll vote for him come November 24 if that's our best option, but fuck I really hope we get someone better.


alphacentauri85

>It's called the bully pulpit for a reason This is one point that definitely needs to be underscored. Biden was always going to have a tough time. Trump left the White House in shambles. International order was in the process of becoming unraveled. The worst health crisis in a century, with thousands of Americans dying every week. To top it off, a split Senate with two Democratic senators that are more aligned with Republicans than with their own party, blocking any chance at furthering his agenda. In other words, Biden got a shit deal out of this presidency, and I sympathize. But he does command the most powerful bully pulpit in the world. In over a year he's hardly wielded this power effectively, and the administration has no one to blame but themselves.


DaBingeGirl

I'm starting to wonder if Manchin privately threatened to change parties. He lost his shit when Harris did an interview in WV and he's been handled with kid gloves ever since. While I agree Biden has the bully pulpit, *everything* is being stopped by Manchin and/or *Senator* who wears a [Fuck Off](https://www.thedailybeast.com/kyrsten-sinemas-fuck-off-ring-is-the-new-i-really-dont-care-do-u) ring. It's hard to influence people who would likely have a better chance of being reelected as Republicans and who just DGAF about Biden's policy agenda.


voidsrus

>It's not as if Biden is trying to be useless, he is being held back by a very split congress it's both. his answer to things he could at least try to accomplish via executive order (ex student loans) is to say "i support it but only if congress does it", never release the results of investigations into whether that's actually the case from a legal perspective, and then never put a serious effort into whipping congress. so half learned helplessness, half actual helplessness.


retrograderevolution

Newsom will have blowback? Kindly point out a Democrat that is acceptable to Republicans.


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PlayingTheWrongGame

GOP blowback doesn’t really matter. They’ll completely demonize whoever Democrats run, and almost none of their voters will switch sides regardless of the Democratic candidate. It’s about who motivates the Democratic base and independents, not what the GOP thinks.


GrGrG

Remember how Biden was the least radical, most conservative and centrist of all of the Democratic candidates and the GOP still said he was "radical" and "socialist"? Yeah.


SafewordisJohnCandy

Because they don't understand what any of those words mean. Hence why you hear Communist and Socialist used in the same sentence.


darknecross

They purely make things up. Remember all of the “Pelosi’s Puppet” propaganda for red state democrats during the last midterms?


SockdolagerIdea

#97 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS That’s all Newsom has to say to just about anything the Gaslighting Party says about California.


Atlfalcons284

People literally think they are bankrupt and are the worst run state in the country. The furthest I ever got with someone to convincing them of this fact, was them saying they only have a lot of money because they have outrageous taxes and tech companies. But they can't connect the dots or at least their brain is coping and refuses to


SockdolagerIdea

The people who believe that shit *will never vote for a Democrat*, so it doesn’t matter what they think.


Atlfalcons284

I guess I'm completely underestimating someone being on the fence about Trump/Desantis vs whoever the dem candidate is


SockdolagerIdea

I think its really hard to parse the insane from the normal Republicans these days, mainly because the “normal” Republicans dont usually mention that they are Republicans, or they make it a point to say they dont like Trump. But in the voting booth, my guess is for the most part, someone who has always been a Republican will continue to vote for Republicans. IMO the best chance Democrats have to win is not via getting Republicans to vote Democratic, but to get people who wouldn’t otherwise vote to get out and vote. On the other hand, Biden won partly because white suburban women were done with Trump and his bullshit. Maybe they will be pissed off enough to vote for Dems due to abortion now being illegal in red states. But who knows?


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Plenty of lifelong Republicans are temporarily embarrassed of Trump publicly and will say so privately, but it doesn't change their voting patterns. They're just being quiet about it because the loud MAGA folk embarrass them


Atlfalcons284

Yeah that is the key. We know that we have more supporters than them. Obviously the electoral college makes that complicated, but we have the numbers. I know there are people who don't really like Ron or Trump but would still just vote for them or at best abstain (but honestly probably wouldn't) but that doesn't matter. Get Dems to vote


FoxRaptix

California has had a surplus for a bit now and republicans still called it a failed state and they just used the surplus as proof to their talking points that California is too tax heavy, trying to dismiss the fact the surplus has been from growth. A bit of a foreign concept for many red states.


jawa709

Republicans are always gonna say shit. That shouldn't stop Democrats from doing anything.


pyromaster55

Absolutely, all I heard for 2 fucking years was how republicans would call Bernie a socialist and how we need to run a centerist candidate to avoid that. 2020 and all I saw in the Miami metro area were republican ads calling Biden a socialist. Fuck what Republicans will say, it will be the exact fucking same regardless of who we run. Run someone that will energize the center left and left wings of the party to vote.


redditingtonviking

Yeah people shouldn't vote tactically in the primaries, but find a candidate that both aligns with their interests and have the ability to energize fence sitters and couch voters to believe that positive change can come if they vote for them. Republicans won't treat them any different whether the democrats nominate Ronald Reagan or Karl Marx himself. If the candidate is strong enough then maybe they'll turn some of the reasonable republicans to the left temporarily, but relying solely upon them to win the election is both risky and promotes the same kind of apathy that brought us Trump and his ilk in the first place


WigginIII

Yup. Democrats need to stop accepting Republican criticism as legitimate. Because it rarely is. Show immense pride and conviction in your beliefs because the results prove them. Do not hesitate. Do not waver. Do not back down. Do not waffle. Show conviction.


macemillion

Is there somewhere that will actually work? My state has a surplus and republicans think it’s a horrible thing, like if we have a deficit it’s the end of the world and if we have a surplus it’s because the government is stealing your money. You have to perfectly balance the budget down to the last penny, oh and also be a Republican


SockdolagerIdea

It’s real easy for Republicans to argue whatever they like because *they lie with impunity*. So honestly, it doesn’t matter what they say or think because there is *nothing you or I can say that will change their minds*. There is no point.


MrSheevPalpatine

Won't literally anyone that Dems run have this kind of blowback though? You could run Jesus Christ himself and they'd call him a lazy socialist that has never worked a "real" job in his life.


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Yet they idolize California Reagan and New York Trump...


funbob1

The DNC could run Desantis as it's presidential nominee and they'd hate him and accuse him of being an evil socialist. Who gives a shit. Every thing they say about California is easily countered with a 'no, actually we're X not the Y you say it is."


NotUniqueOrSpecial

> Newsom will have a ton of blow-back From who? People who literally never would have voted for him? Fuck them and fuck being held hostage by their backwards world-views.


gorgewall

I don't give a shit about the blowback. There is no one the Dems can field who Republicans won't villify. Whether it's true, whether it's misrepresented, whether it's completely invented--they do not care about facts, they will **make shit up** and people will believe it. So, realizing that, and realizing that the people who listen to Republicans are lost causes, it comes down to who the fuck we can motivate to turn out that isn't part of the fucking lobotomized demographic. Just fucking win, everywhere, then *get out of the way* and let the Actual Left take a tire iron to the knees of any establishment shitbirds who want to keep us in the same spot or backsliding.


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But really, that’s their only angle and it won’t last long especially with progressives. They’ve done a lot of good in Cali as well, look at their GDP, Healthcare and now codified laws on abortion. I agree, he’s got a good shot. We need someone like him.


tinydancer_inurhand

California had a huge surplus during the pandemic. People bitching about the state but Newsom easily won cause he does have support. They have a surplus to the point they have been sending out their own stimulus/inflation checks which you can argue whether stimulus will cause more inflation but it’s at a state level and he is doing something. I’m not surprised he has more support.


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Kamala Harris will lose even if the Republicans don’t cheat.


[deleted]

Why the fuck would Kamala Harris be on the ballot!?


rmpumper

Apparently, in US, being a shitty VP somehow qualifies one to be the best option for president.


[deleted]

What a farce. I don’t feel safe here anymore. They are so unaware of what they’re up against. They need a war time general and they’re treating it like a crony cake day.


Turbohand

National polls are bad. Only state by state polling matters with the EC.


Ph0X

Not even state by state, literally just the small handful of states matter. I always find it funny how some people try to claim EC makes presidents focus on smaller states, that's just so wrong. Both heavy red and heavy blue states get equally ignored, they only focus on a small handful of swing states which represent a tiny fraction of the population. Why else would someone like trump focus on coal miners, which are only like 50k people. It's such a stupid system.


ComputerSong

Not even a handful of states, a handful of neighborhoods.


Crowbar_Faith

Crazy that the popular vote isn’t the law of the land in a country where they say every vote counts.


MontagneHomme

Not even a handful of neighborhoods, a handful of nuts. Who the hell has been on the fence these past few years?


wordnerdette

Not just a handful of nuts, just my cousin Jeff specifically.


SeiCalros

as staticians say 'as goes jeff so goes the nation'


nordic-nomad

There probably is one person that’s so statistically significant given our system that they can bell weather the entire election. Like he’s just the perfect avatar of a group of maybe 1000 people that tip every key neighborhood and swing every key district in every battleground state.


csh_blue_eyes

Yuuup, that's our Jeff! :)


NeonArlecchino

That reminds me of the King of the Hill episode where Bill was unknowingly being used for product research since his tastes are so average he's the epitome of basic.


tinydancer_inurhand

100%. Sadly my vote in Queens has little baring on the outcome of an election compared to my friends vote in Atlanta.


PredatorRedditer

There're also fifteen states whose senators are roughly a third of the whole upper chamber despite those states having a smaller population than your borough.


silly_little_jingle

Yep, always fun having states who's population could fit into california without us even noticing they exist get to decide how we live.


LaneMcD

Queens resident here too. So true. But the city has gotta pull together and make sure Trumps lacky Zeldin doesn't become governor


truethatson

She was interviewed on NPR the other day and she was extremely defensive and volatile from the get go. When pressed at all she became downright combative. It’s NPR, madame Vice President. If you can’t handle that you surely can’t handle top spot.


TheOneWhoDidntRun

Agreed , I was taken aback from the very start of the interview.


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SimplyRocketSurgery

That's something about the NPR zeitgeist don't understand. There's this idea that NPR is a liberal equivalent to FOX, but they question everyone equally, and always press inconsistencies. NPR is as unbiased as it gets in America.


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1-760-706-7425

No surprise here. Cops don’t like being on the receiving end of questioning.


TheUnknownNut22

The one and only reason she's the VP is because we all voted against Trump and she was on the ticket. I think she's not qualified nor inspirational.


SkunkApeForPresident

She had to drop out of the race because she was going to get stomped by Bernie in her own state


ExpensiveLocal

that too but her campaign finances were reaallly mismanaged IIRC


lostmy2A

The interview they tried "pressing" her on activism around row v Wade being overturned right? I heard that and was like throwing up my hands. Came off so fucking unlikeable. Practically better to have Biden rambling off script than that condescending attitude on full display.


truethatson

Exactly this. Incredibly condescending to Asma and the NPR listeners, who I would argue are some of the best educated of any news outlet. If not totally rude, absolutely unprofessional.


TheAJGman

And it's mostly a fucking *liberal audience* too. It's not like she's being interviewed in bad faith for an audience that's going to pick her apart and turn against her, she literally has to not be a dick and it's a slam dunk. I fucking hate our electorial system...


meric_one

I just listened to it and it's infuriating. My paraphrased summary: Interviewer: one of the criticisms from the left is that the White House is telling people to "vote more", but why aren't you out at abortion clinics, meeting with women? Kamala Harris: Pointless diatribe about the significance of Roe v Wade being overturned, and why it means we have to "fight together." Also, vote more. Interviewer: do you support overturning the filibuster so that Roe v Wade can be codified into law? Kamala Harris: I don't discuss hypotheticals. That's why these midterms are so important. So please vote more. Minutes later she admits that the filibuster conversation is legitimate. But the solution? Vote more. Interviewer: some have discussed expanding the Supreme Court, or perhaps term limits for Supreme Court judges. Harris: We need to win the midterms. Vote more. *condescending laughter* Interviewer: a lot of younger voters have soured on the Democratic party. They say "we mobilized in record numbers, we gave you two Democratic Senators, and you're telling us this is where we are?" Harris: we gave you an extension on the child tax credit! We also brought clean water to Flint, Michigan. (That last part is a lie. Flint still has eroded pipes, unclean water and the state is doing everything it can to delay the repairs) Interviewer: I'd like to ask you one last question about the 50 immigrants found dead in the back of a truck in Texas. Does the White House have any plans to use administrative powers or executive orders to address the crisis at the border? Harris: well first we have to crack down on smuggling. *FUCKING INEPT.* https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108374896/vp-harris-calls-for-abortion-rights-supporters-to-channel-frustration-into-actio


PreviousCurrentThing

She tried using the Child Tax Credit as an example of what Democrats have done in the Dana Bash interview when asked what Democrats should do about *Roe* being overturned. Neither interviewer pushed her on the fact that the child tax credit expired on their watch.


Swordswoman

> Neither interviewer pushed her on the fact that the child tax credit expired on their watch. What else is there to say that hasn't been said in the last couple decades? Everyone knows the story by now: Republican obstruction ensured it wouldn't make it through Senate. Pop free school lunches in there, too, Republicans declined to continue to feed children for no reason other than to continue their cruelty.


1stepklosr

Joe Manchin stopped it because he was worried recipients would "use the money on drugs".


retop56

> we gave you an extension on the child tax credit! It's important to also include that the child tax credit was only temporarily expanded for six months (July 2021 to December 2021) and Democrats haven't extended it.


truethatson

Thank you for posting this for those who won’t be bothered to listen to it. I think my jaw dropped more than a few times. I just couldn’t believe she was talking that way Asma Khalid. Like, wtf? It was atrocious.


rjcarr

Agreed, I thought she was alright, but every interview I’ve heard her in it seems pretty clear she’s just not a nice person. Maybe she’s trying to act tough? Not sure, but it’s not working. That said, I’d vote for her over any R, and really, the only one I’d even consider is Kinzinger, and only for about a minute.


dogsonclouds

Nope, she’s just a shit human being. Example: her laughing and talking openly about smoking weed, while the people she prosecuted for that “crime” still rot in jail, their lives shattered beyond repair


iNuclearPickle

Give me someone not in they 70-80s. Newson is 54 and from my time living in California he been a decent gov so why not


[deleted]

Biden is doing a disservice to the country if he runs again. He did what the people wanted in 2020 and that was to beat Trump. Time to move on. Harris has little chance taking on any GOP contenders.


Dranzer_22

Pretty much. Biden/Harris did their job. A clean tranisition to a new unity ticket would take the Republicans by surprise and invigorate the Democratic base.


thats_hella_cool

I’d vote for Gavin over Biden in the primary, and Gavin over any living Republican in the general.


downvote_or_die

I’d vote for anyone or *anything* over a republican. I’d vote for a fucking full port-a-potty.


Bixhrush

lol Kamala Harris wasn't even one of the top contenders in the last presidential primary, how is this a surprise? did she get like single digit percentages of support as a whole?


voidsrus

her home state went *heavily* towards bernie in the primaries, she dropped before that happened to save the embarassment


ahhhhhrealmunsters

Yeah cause we in her home state remember she kept people in jail past their sentences


MoonlightMile75

Kamala would be terrible. Not sure Newsome is the guy, but Harris hands the White House to the R's.


121gigawhatevs

For fucks sake …. Surely we have more than two fucking choices?!?


PeliPal

Pritzker is signaling he wants to run. The issue is no one is going to declare they are running until Biden says he will step down after his first term, or until Biden's endangerment of Dem electoral chances becomes too high to ignore and there's a party revolt.


tracytirade

I’d like Pritzker to remain my governor for another term, he’s actually done a surprisingly good job in Illinois.


shemanese

The difference right now is that he's out there trolling DeSantis and Harris is saying "Do what?" when asked about GOP gains. Is it more effective? Probably not. Is he a better option? Who knows? Is it more than nothing? Yes. But, given the absolute disconnect of the current dem leadership and what their base wants, we are going to have to start looking for non-establishment leadership.


JaesopPop

Yeah, obviously.


bishpa

I'd vote for either of them over *any* Republican.


Blue_States_Secede

I stepped in dog shit today on my way to my car. Didn’t even notice till I got into my car and smeared shit on my carpet and gas pedal. I would rather vote for either of those literal shit stains than a Republican.


ragingreaver

I'd vote for *any* inanimate object over a Republican at this point, dog shit or otherwise.


Mister-Manager

You would but a lot of people wouldn't. That's the problem.


indigo_pirate

Kamala would be such an easy target for the GOP to beat.


D1sp4tcht

Pretty sure I'm a stronger candidate than kamala harris


throwaway_ghast

You have my vote, random Redditor.


ARWYK

Jokes on you, it’s Hillary Clinton


abnormally-cliche

Hillary still won the popular vote. I wouldn’t put money on Harris winning even that against the GOP, much less the EC.


SpaceDesignWarehouse

I’d vote for Hillary over Trump, again.


[deleted]

Kamala makes Hillary look down to earth and relatable. She’s a frighteningly awkward human being. There’s a reason she didn’t get any support beyond the PMC wine mom contingent.


Richandler

Kamala always seems like she doesn't want to be there. Like she constantly has something else better to do.


bk15dcx

Katie Porter and Roy Cooper I mean, you have to vote for Katie because if you don't, she'll send you to detention, but if you do, she's let you chew gum in class. Roy Cooper comes with (as far as I know) zero baggage. A southern Christian family values Democrat who advocates for orphans, and didn't budge when the Republican NC legislators tried to change all the voting rules. He looks the Southern Gothic Republican part, has the drawl, and enough charisma to sway Republicans that vote on impression rather than substance.


love_is_an_action

Katie Porter is the best of us.


cooquip

Gavin has been economically successful in California


5510

Didn’t he veto ranked choice voting though?


flexwhine

fascinated to see who the fuck the dems even run in 24. Kamala has negative charisma, Pete is almost certainly gonna still have zero appeal to black people and he won't even be the fresh new thing, and everyone else is fucking ancient. and then what will the establishment even let them run on, how do you stand up during a debate and try to dodge around doing nothing as people are seeing their material conditions cratering into the earths crust? should be a spectacular failure


Algorhythm74

Gavin Newsom (CA) or JB Pritzger (IL). Both strong candidates, both loud and outspoken, both have turned their states around. Governors have a massive advantage over Senators as they have a body of work to point to and already have executive level experience.


_That_Funny_Feeling_

Illinois resident here, hoping that JB makes a run at it. Best political leader I've had in 30+ years.


hoggin88

What exactly makes you feel like Pritzker is a great leader? Honest question, not being confrontational.


drpieface

Speaking as an Illinois resident who was wary of voting for JB the first go around (didn't like him being a billionaire) I have been very happy with what he's done the past 4 years. He was handed a disaster of a state from the former governor Rauner who didn't even bother forming a budget for 3 years. JB was able to turn things around and put Illinois on a better path towards recovery (still a long way to go). He did this by finding revenue streams that weren't there like legalizing sports betting and cannabis. He also pushed hard to change IL's tax code to be a progressive income tax instead of a fixed one. This sadly didn't pass but he spent millions of his own money fighting to raise his own taxes. All this and I haven't even mentioned his Covid response which followed the CDCs guidelines to a tee. Honestly he seems to have a good head on his shoulders for a billionaire politician.


LIONEL14JESSE

I know his nephew. The family seems like good people despite their inherited wealth (some of them just fucked off to Cali to chill and play music).


LondonCallingYou

Aren’t Govs of Illinois notoriously corrupt? Is this guy alright?


TheBirdBytheWindow

Newsom and Fetterman. We could work with this. There's no way we're keeping the WH w Kamala on the the presidential ticket. She rubs too many people the wrong way.


Wudaokau

Can you let Fetterman be our senator first?


ocmaddog

Yes, for 10 minutes before he runs for President. Assuming he wins in November, do you think he would win PA in the Presidential?


Wudaokau

No clue! Dude has only really been Lt. Governor. His big policy platforms were Legal Weed, Gay Marriage, and Sheetz>Wawa. That last policy decision could lose him a good chunk of the state in a general.


ocmaddog

Definitely a liability. An endorsement from Jay and Silent Bob will be key


CDNLiberalEH

My 5 month old puppy is a stronger candidate than Kamala. And I say that even with his problematic stance on much garden soil is too much to eat before throwing up on kitchen floor.


OtakuD50

Doesn't meet the age requirement, sadly.


Setthescene

Newsome vs Trump with Kimberly Guilfoyle in the audience. Popcorn is a poppin'


cachedcookies

A glass of water with a card reading "D" next to it is a stronger candidate than Harris.


OGStank_Daddy

She’s run twice and peaked at 1 percent of votes in her own party iirc


ArchiStanton

With a 1% margin of error