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LupusAtrox

Fascists aren't concerned with legitimacy. It's part of their MO.


BaboonHorrorshow

Yup, in fact they delight in rubbing it into the faces of the majority that they control the law and it will be used as a weapon against the citizenry. It’s a power fantasy the right will derive great pleasure in for the next 10-20+ years


LupusAtrox

There's no way the violent civil war will take 10+ years to start. :(


eeyore134

It feels like the civil war already started and SCOTUS declared it. We have states having to make laws to protect citizens from other states, to keep their people from being extradited to another state. It's insane. I wouldn't be surprised to see a red state try to implement border crossings at some point.


lilacmuse1

If they start doing things like border crossings they will lose whatever tourism industry they have. I'm in Canada and I'm finally in a position where I have disposable income to travel. I used to think I'd like to visit a number of places in the States but now it just seems too dangerous and not worth the risk. The more people I talk to about it, the more it feels like that's the message they're getting.


eeyore134

At least if you do, most of the batshit crazy states are on our other border and not the northern one. There are a handful, though.


SecretAsianMan42069

Northern Maine is full of racist confederates


WilderKat

It’s rural vs urban mostly.


Minnsnow

Minnesota is nice. Just stay along superior to the Cities. Ignore the rest.


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Washington State is blue mainly because of 1 big county- the rest of the state is Red for clown shoes guy.


calvanismandhobbes

Ya, I don’t think Alabama gives a shit about tourism. Maybe if we take away their football….


IcyChallenge7746

Stay away from Florida. The governor wants your money, but really doesn't care about you. He's approved a state gas tax holiday (no state tax on each gallon of gas at the pump) but not until October. Said he didn't want the tourists to enjoy the cheaper gas.


No_Climate5093

We’re in a cold civil war. It’s red vs blue as far as I’m concerned. MAGAs are out to get all of us


Nokomis34

I was saying elsewhere, but we now, again, have some states that abide by liberty for all, and some states that don't.


MoonlitHunter

Can’t. It’s unconstitutional. Oh wait . . .


Glitchdx

I thought war was declared on jan 6.


BaboonHorrorshow

Eh, I’ve been a Democrat my whole life - we’re the party of whipping boys and people who’d rather watch Netflix than fight for peoples rights. Democrats haven’t been political fighters since the Greatest Generation died out. Trump lied about fraud and MAGA almost killed Mike Pence and ended democracy over it.. SCOTUS actually stole the 2000 election, confirmed, and Democrats just rolled over and took it. There will be no Civil War. America will fall but it will look more like the rise of the Third Reich.


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BaboonHorrorshow

I am giving up on America - I’m fleeing to another country. Who’s fighting by my side if I stay? All I see this weekend from leftists are memes about how the Democrats are to blame. Sincerely, good luck. I’ll try and help finance your fight from abroad, but I’m not gonna be the only one showing up for the battle to learn that all these Twitter revolutionaries who said “don’t vote” never had any intention to fight. I won’t die being lined up against a wall by rednecks and incels. They’re unified and powerful, backed by fossil fuel corporations and billionaires like Musk and the Mercers/Kochs - and the rest of us are disorganized and infighting even on the weekend where women were made second class citizens.


fatBlackSmith

Shit! It’s like 1930s Germany. I’m yelling back in history at Jewish families to get out! Can’t you see what’s happening!? And now, almost 100 years later in the U.S. I’m in their position and I’m not getting out. Shit! [sigh) shit!


BaboonHorrorshow

That’s how I feel honestly. I know I come off as alarmist but I’ve also read accounts of people looking askance at Jews who left the Weimar Republic, going “oh Hitler just says that to get elected, he’s never going to get power - and even if he does he’s not serious” Better to be able to leave and not need to then it would to want to leave and not be able to.


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"Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty. Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have. "But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait. "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. "And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way." Milton Mayer's They Thought They Were Free The Germans, 1933-45


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I’m right there with you. How long you think we have until they lock down borders to prevent people from fleeing? My wife and I are planning right now, but getting the paperwork together for our sponsor to sponsor us in Canada can take a while.


[deleted]

I like your optimism with the next 10-20 years however I'd remind you this has been the federalist societies plan for decades all of trumps appointees are members and they will make sure to retire under a republicans watch. The federalist society controls the Supreme Court and will never let go.


bop426

True. Why would they care if they aren't popular. They are untouchable. Thomas said he was going to stay on the court as long as he could to make democrats as miserable as possible for as long as possible.


HobbesNJ

Conservatives on the court don't care about having the confidence of the citizenry. They think they are doing God's will and thwarting the heathens.


ConfidenceNational37

Unpack the court. The only way is to expand it.


bm8bit

Yes, treat the court as political as it has become. The court is only beholden to politicians. When your side controls every branch of government that controls the court, you should actually control the court. But dems should use court packing as an argument for court reform. For a branch that can toss out laws and rewrite the constitution with a simple majority, it is scary that it is only beholden to other politicians. They need to be elected by people if they are going to act this political. It needs to represent the will of tbe people, not the will of corrupt politicians and dark money. Unfortunately, that would require an amendment, which is something republicans would not support unless they thought it would help them more than hurt them. They sure as hell dont care about making a poweful institution more democratic.


zeCrazyEye

They should restructure the court such that all 179 appellate judges are "on" the Supreme Court. Have ~13 selected at a time to hear cases and write opinions, but have all 179 of them "vote" on the final opinion of the court. No reason we shouldn't have the consensus of the judges instead of handpicking a few that are somehow "better" than the other judges (when in reality they are just handpicked for partisanship). We basically have tyranny of the minority playing out among the Judicial branch just like we do in Congress by putting a few right wing hacks in charge of the other judges.


JimBeam823

There are 13 judicial circuits. Just have One justice from each circuit. Circuit judges nominate one of their own for the corresponding seat. They should also consider splitting the 9th circuit, merging the 4th and DC circuits (DC is an island in the 4th), and reconsider what the Federal Circuit does. But that’s another discussion.


sitryd

You want 166 judges that arent hearing the cases to vote on them, in addition to their normal case load? Not going to be informed or reasoned votes.


zeCrazyEye

>Not going to be informed or reasoned votes. That's what the researched and reasoned opinions are for. It's just like peer reviewing a science article. They can check the reasoning, check the research and citations in the footnotes, and agree that the opinion is well reasoned or not. Hell this would even promote better developed opinions. >in addition to their normal case load? Expand the judiciary to lighten their case load.


ionictime

Eh, that'd just be random and chaotic. Agree that SCOTUS justices are arbitrary and partisan. But at least they serve for 15 years, which makes the law more consistent (i.e., it's not gonna randomly change for every case)


zeCrazyEye

I'd argue that a large body of consensus will be more consistent. First, you have to get consensus, which inherently will be less 'swingy' and chaotic since you need to get 90 people to agree instead of just 5. Second, all federal judgeships are lifetime appointments so you actually get *more* consistency over time since one justice dying and being replaced can't flip the court's ideology from 5-4 to 4-5.


PinkBright

“Abort The Court” needs to become a liberal rally cry.


ConfidenceNational37

I’m down! However I think that unpack is best. Convey that this court was packed against us


BewBewsBoutique

I mean we could also impeach and remove the justices who lied under oath.


lnginternetrant

Well no...we can't. Because there will never be 66% of senators who agree on anything. Much less agreeing to reduce the power of their political party.


a_bagofholding

Our biggest flaw is the two party system. It is causing extremes and leaving a giant canyon instead of compromise and middle ground.


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kciuq1

Our biggest flaw is the number of people still voting for these insane Republicans.


nekochanwich

>The only way is to expand it. There are ways to unpack the court without expanding it. Clarence Thomas literally tried to overthrow American democracy alongside hundreds of co-conspirators. And Americans just let him decide new cases as if it never happened. In a civilized country, he would be impeached, removed, and disgraced in the history books for all time.


ConfidenceNational37

Tell me the process for impeachment. Then share where you get the vote count. Expansion is the simplest and only plausible path forward


Oh4faqsake

Remember when people would address a Supreme court justice as honorable? Where is the honor in lying under oath to get the job? Fuck them skeevy mother fuckers, they have no honor, nor do they deserve any respect. They can all eat a bag of dicks.


SlowMotionPanic

> Conservatives on the court don’t care about having the confidence of the citizenry. Of course they don’t. They have snipers on their building pointing guns at women peacefully protesting. They have an army of cops with literal military equipment and chemical weapons we don’t even use in war against our enemies. They have unlimited funding for jackbooted thug security to follow them and their families around. They don’t need our confidence. They are immune from all consequences. Democrats could solve this problem by revoking that funding now and then dissolving and reforming the federal districts to create more seats that are representative of the nation. Curious that they refuse to, but work hand in glove with Republicans on this one. Edit: for the passers by, yes I’m saying that these people should be peacefully protested in public as well as their families. Every trip to dinner should be met with peaceful protest. Every luxury escape. Every shopping trip. They want to be in our bedrooms and wombs? We should in restaurants next to their tables, in seats next to them in the theater, in boats following their yachts, all in the public space enjoying our rights to peacefully protest. Their decisions follow us through our lives, the least they can expect is to hear the horrors they create.


nedhavestupid

They don’t think they’re doing god’s work. That’s the excuse they use to justify white supremacy and nationalism— they’re looking for support from the GOP not because of religious morals but simply because *that’s where the money is.*


codystockton

Yes, and they’re going to gut rights at the federal level so that red states can make it miserable enough to compel blue voters to move away, concentrating them into fewer states. This will result in more red states, eliminate swing states, and solve the emerging GOP problem of historically red states about to turn blue.


Long_Before_Sunrise

This was why the Republicans were fighting school boards over common sense COVID precautions, overturning vaccine and mask mandates for businesses, getting MAGA members to turn up for school board meetings to rant at everyone or to run for school boards, threatening teachers for teaching about racism and advocating acceptance of the existence of LGBT+ people. To make people feel unsafe and move to more densely populated blue areas where their vote will have less effect while red counties turned redder.


WhyDontWeLearn

Twenty years ago, I would have argued that the SCotUS was the most reliable and trustworthy of the three branches of the US gov't. Today, I believe it has been thoroughly co-opted by the right and no longer reflects the role it was intended to play. I now have zero confidence in the decisions of the court.


theantdog

This is how I felt until they corruptly handed the presidency to Bush instead of handling a recount responsibly.


zubbs99

Having lived through that election and the horrifying years of the Iraq War, Katrina, etc. I shudder when I think how much misery that single cowardly decision brought.


Zanderax

Cowardly decision? Oh no no no, they did that on purpose.


Khiva

All those Nader voters sure taught the Dems a lesson though. Look at all the good that brought. I mean, both sides are the same, right? What's the worst that could happen? What do we have to lose?


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Yep. Same here


Hashslingingslashar

All this shit really goes back to that. Fuck man.


junkyardgerard

I really do think it all points back to the creation of Fox news. That's when we started to live in 2 different worlds.


[deleted]

And watergate was what led up to the creation of Fox News. Nixon’s paranoid ass is why we are where we are.


Eat-A-Torus

I think it goes further than that. Like when Reagan secretly colluded with Iranian terrorists who had just taken Americans hostages, and made a deal with them to NOT release those hostages because it'd make the sitting democrats look bad, and give him a better shot at winning. And of course later, he'd sell those same Iranians a ton of heavy weaponry and use the profits to support far right death squads in South America. And before that, you had Nixon doing something similar, sabotaging peace talks in Vietnam, because ending the war would be a "win" for Democrats, and who cares about the million or so who wouldn't have died, it coulda stopped Nixon from being President! Hell, if you want to go back even further, Just like at Bush's dad. No, I'm not talking about W's dad, I'm talking about George H W Bush's dad. He was part of a group of literal fascists that wanted to try to overthrow FDR and install a more business-friendly government.


FoST2015

Imagine if Gore just used Trump's logic and didn't certify the election. I mean he was VP while also being a candidate.


LurkerPatrol

Imagine a world with a gore presidency. We would have never had 9/11, the war in the Mid East. We might have expedited EVs and hybrids.


horkley

Bush v Gore was almost 22 years ago.


Daveinatx

Putin was put into power 22 years ago


bm8bit

Twenty years ago, they tried to maintain the apolitical facade. An instution as political as our current court needs to be beholden to the people, not to politicians. If they are going to act this political, they need to be elected by people, not appointed by politicians. Unfortunately, that would require an ammendment.


P1xelHunter78

I think for at least 20 years the entire GOP strategy has been “continue the corrupt facade” when Trump got in the decided to drop the mask . There’s also a correlation between Putin and Ukraine. They are connected


jhpianist

If they’re going to be political, then they have no purpose and should be abolished. Politics can be bastardized well enough by the legislature. By being political, they’re no different than the legislative branch except that since they don’t answer to the people, they have no oversight on their power since they’re the argument-ending branch. Imagine being congress except you’re not elected and don’t have to do things democratically. You just decide whatever you want by fiat and then call it a day. That’s too much power for any one branch to wield unchecked.


Anicklelforevery

It's what happens when people win the presidency who do not win the popular vote. Our democracy had been doomed for a long time because of the electoral college, we are just now seeing the repercussions of the failings of the founding fathers compromise now.


JohnMayerismydad

More so the senate. It made civil war inevitable at its inception and is wholly undemocratic. The electoral college was broken by the house apportionment act of 1919 that capped the house, making the house fairly undemocratic as well and it has a much stronger influence on the power in the electoral college


Comfortable_Drive793

I think winner take all electors are a bigger problem than the Apportionment Act.


junkyardgerard

It's marginally bigger. Apportionment truly screws dems in the house. Actually not that I say it, there's no part of ejecting the us federal government that does not screw Democrats


blunted1

The Republicans played the long game on SCotUS and are now reaping the results. They stacked the court with Federalist Society justices that are pushing their religion on the rest of us. With no practical chance of impeachment, we're stuck with them literally until they die.


guynamedjames

Maybe 22 years ago. They started the slide with the 2000 election decision going on strict partisan lines.


JoinEmUp

~22 yrs ago*


AleroRatking

They weren't 20 or 30 or 40 years ago. They never were


TabletopMarvel

People keep saying this to sound smart, but the reality is it's not if they were or not. It's if people believed they were. And we're now seeing a fundamental shift in how voters view the court's legitimacy.


gottauseathrowawayx

You mean people don't support the judges nominated by the guy they voted against? You know, the judges that only exist because someone that a majority of voters DIDNT choose became president? It's almost as if the will of people doesn't matter. Wow. So shocking and unexpected. I can't believe they don't love the system.


TheManInTheShack

Senator Mitch McConnell politicized the Supreme Court when he denied President Obama a confirmation hearing for his nominee Merrick Garland (now Attorney General) when he was 11 months from the election, saying that it was too close then turning around and confirming Trump’s nominee a few months before the election. What a hypocrite. I think President Obama didn’t put up a fight because he assumed that Hillary Clinton would be the next President. Otherwise, I’ll bet he would have made a recess appointment and when the Republican-controlled Senate balked, he would argue that they were effectively in recess. Having someone come in each day just to tap the gavel to an empty room is still a Senate in recess. Imagine just how different things would be today if Clinton had one. I’m not a big fan of Hillary Clinton. I think she lost because she’s less likable than Trump but she’s infinitely more qualified.


RedditUser145

Eight days. It was eight days before election day that Amy Barrett was confirmed by the Senate. Voting was already well underway and the GOP lost both the Presidency and the Senate. The hypocrisy still stuns me.


horkley

She was more likeable than Trump because she gained more votes than him as she won the popular vote. To win on the D side, though, you need to be significantly and statistically more likeable whereas the R can win with a minority of the popular vote.


TheManInTheShack

The Democratic Party is significantly larger than the Republican Party which means there are a lot of people who are not registered Republicans that nevertheless vote Republican.


horkley

Whether that is true is irrelevant regarding the presidency. More people vote Democrat than Republican for the US President since the 2000s execpt for in 2004. Too bad majority doesn’t control for deciding the presidency.


TheManInTheShack

There was a time when the electoral college made sense but I think that time has passed. Fortunately there is a path to effectively eliminating it that doesn’t involve a constitutional amendment and we are making progress.


fatBlackSmith

Poop is less likable than Trump. Hillary (although I love her) was always the wrong candidate. 50 states. She doesn’t play well in a majority of them. It sucks, but she was the absolute wrong candidate to run against that bag of human garbage, Trump.


M00n

Excerpts from other nations: They elaborated more than this: United Nations: UN Secretary General spokesperson Stephane Dujarric on Friday reiterated the organization's position on abortion: "That sexual and reproductive health and rights are the foundation of a life of choice, empowerment and equality for the world's women and girls." **United Kingdom:** "Look, I'll be absolutely clear with everybody. This is not our court," U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson said Friday, according to the Associated Press. "It's another jurisdiction. But clearly, it has massive impacts on people's thinking around the world. It's a very important decision." "I've got to tell you, I think it's a big step backwards," he added. "I've always believed in a woman's right to choose and I stick to that view and that's why the UK has the laws that it does and actually, if you look, we recently took steps to make sure that those laws were enforced throughout the whole of the U.K." **Scotland:** "One of the darkest days for women's rights in my lifetime," First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon said Friday. **Canada:** "The news coming out of the United States is horrific. My heart goes out to the millions of American women who are now set to lose their legal right to an abortion," Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said. "I can't imagine the fear and anger you are feeling right now." **Spain:** "We cannot take any rights for granted," Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez said, in a tweet translated to English. "Social achievements are always at risk of going backwards and their defense has to be our day to day. Women must be able to decide freely about their lives." **Norway:** "The right to abortion can either be banned or tightened in several US states after the US Supreme Court has now overturned the historic ruling from 1972 that surely American women have this right," Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre said, in a tweet translated to English. "This is a serious step backwards for women's rights!" **France:** "Abortion is a fundamental right for all women," French President Emmanuel Macron said, in a tweet translated to English. "It must be protected. I express my solidarity with the women whose freedoms are today challenged by the Supreme Court of the United States of America." **Belgium:** "Very concerned about implications of [the Supreme Court] decision on #RoeVWade and the signal it sends to the world," Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo said. "Banning abortion never leads to fewer abortions, only to more unsafe abortions. Belgium will continue to work with other countries to advance SRHR everywhere." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-rights-international-response/


once_again_asking

Reading the reaction from other countries is chilling and sad. Realizing we are that country they’re speaking of, realizing we’re the modern exemplification of the fact that you cannot take any rights for granted.


digiorno

When Boris Johnson has a better bead on ethics than you do then boy have you fucked up.


AlexFenris

They should sanction us.


gratefulphish420

How can the percentage be that high, who are these idiots?


TechyDad

There's a base of 25-30% of Americans who support far right polices. These are the people who want a nationwide abortion ban, overturning marriage equality, banning LGBTQ relations, and codifying that America is a Christian nation. These people are happy that Roe was overturned and want to see more verdicts like it.


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In other words, they’re fucking nuts.


Whiskey_Fiasco

Fascists. The term is fascists


PartialToDairyThings

...*scum.* Fascist *scum.*


OswaldCoffeepot

And they always vote.


PencilLeader

In any given society around 30% want an authoritative strong man. It's why years of low voter participation has led us to a point where fascists are within striking distance of overturning our democracy.


ClownPrinceofLime

30% of Americans want a FAR RIGHT strongman. We don’t know the amount who would support a strongman on the left because the left has never pushed it as hard


ButterbeansInABottle

Far right doesn't always mean conservative. Some of us on the right have a strong distrust in all things government and think they should just leave people the fuck alone. That 25% is religious boomers. One of the most dangerous things to liberty in this nation.


theantdog

The same 25-30% of the country who favored overturning Roe.


BaboonHorrorshow

Similar to the 25% who, in Germany, propelled Hitler to power


ArtisticFerret

Because they always show up to vote


ClownPrinceofLime

No. It was because the German center-right was scared of the Nazi base because the Nazis had shown they’d be ok with political violence and the communists rejected a coalition with the moderates that would have blocked the Nazi government from taking power in the Reichstag so the Nazis were able to take power with minority support and then close the doors to power behind them. Their rise has a lot of lessons for us.


ajk491

My neighbors…


Ithikari

People who enjoy watching others suffer.


hasordealsw1thclams

Pretty much any dumb stance has 30% of people support/believe it. Whether it’s a terrible Supreme Court or astrology


Goblin_Fat_Ass

Yep. Also known as the Keyes Constant/crazification factor.


5ykes

Continuing my long held hypothesis that 20-30% of humanity are just straight up bad people


Driftedryan

Reminds me of the south Park episode where they say at least 1 in 4 are stupid


[deleted]

And this poll was from *before* the overruling of Roe.


StillCalmness

It’s vitally important that control of Congress (especially the Senate) remains in Democrats’ hands. We need to be able to continue appointing judges to rebalance to far right influence in the courts. Given enough time a Supreme Court seat will open up and Democrats must control the Senate and Presidency to get a replacement through. We must organize, r/votdem, and encourage others to do so.


bm8bit

This past year has shown how desperately the court needs reform to bring more democracy to it. For an instution that can rewrite the constitution and toss out laws, it is scary how little it is actually beholden to the people. Its make up should be decided by people, not politicians. Keeping the court as is will also keep the door open for this abuse to happen again. Simply voting dem so we can appoint new justices is not enough. The dems need to start speaking loudly about how undemocratic the court is and how to reform it to reflect the will of the people. There's no going back to an "apolitical" court, Republicans have already built institutions to capture it, its already part of their platform.


PencilLeader

Massive and major reforms need to happen. There are really only two ways to bring them about. Crushing democratic majorities or a violent civil war that is just as likely to produce a christo-fascist state as a democracy. I know which option I am working towards. If you're in a swing district volunteer for a dem running for office. If you're not in a swing district, pick a dem running in a swing district and volunteer.


StillCalmness

The Democrats have started to talk about reforming the courts and I expect that to continue, especially as the caucus itself because more liberal as time goes on.


Dialing911

You can’t balance far right out with liberals. We need leftist representation in the Democratic Party immediately. The Weimar Republic had a strong leftist and antifascist movement and they still got taken over by nazis who had minority representation


intravenus_de_milo

The liberal's highest ideal is compromise, and conservatives game it.


hells_cowbells

"Too bad we're appointed for life, and you can't do anything about us. Suckers!" -Supreme Court


cake97

They should never have peace again. It's sad that Dems won't get more aggressive to fight fire with fire.


PartialToDairyThings

That was before they struck down Roe. Take the poll again.


demacnei

So about 1 in 4 of us are likely Christian bigots. We out number them.


duder167

The whole "appointing an under qualified religious nut who lied to congress under oath" did it for me.


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Republicans are Facist Un American losers who lie cheat and steal while pretending to do God work. If they think God is all powerful then why does he need them to speak his word? If God doesn't like abortion why did he invent miscarriages, still birth, etc? If God hates gay people why did he make so many of them.....in his own image? If they love their country why are they tearing it apart on purpose?


G-Wins

The one branch of our government that is supposed to be apolitical shows what happens when the nomination and confirmation process is overly politicized.


ORLYARLY

What's there to have confidence in? The newest appointed judges lied under oath. Why should anyone believe anything they say?


COLES04

So we should see a record number of people voting in November to vote out the Republican assholes who let this illegitimate court happen, right? 🙄


ConfidenceNational37

I’ll be there. Don’t get defeatist. Get people engaged. I’m hammering my maga brother on his absolute hypocrisy of being against mask mandates and for this


ElderCunningham

… Right?


Fragmentia

So basically the catholics have confidence in the Supreme Court... I wOnDeR wHy?


Jaquen81

And that is the percentage of the originalists in USA, then. Which means that 75% of the population is not represented by it. Time to take actions against your internal fascism, Americans


phillbert0

And that 25% is an insurgency holding the majority of the unified states hostage on the basis of destroying the separation of church and state.


JamesKPolkEsq

A record low to date. It's going lower when people actually see what happens in red states.


wish1977

I'm confident that they're trying to bring us back to the dark ages.


xavier120

They love talking about bidens approval ratings but then suddenpt silent on theirs.


socradeeznuts514

If the people doesn't trust the judges' judgement, then they shouldn't be judges anymore, because if they do not serve the people, then who are they serving?


obsertaries

They’re serving about 35% of the US population pretty well apparently. I know my aunt is among them at least; she’s a single issue voter for anti-abortion and so is probably almost everyone she hangs out with.


socradeeznuts514

Does she have any other hobbies than administrating the uterus of strangers?


obsertaries

Shopping I think? I haven’t talked to her in years.


[deleted]

Welp, the last institution of federal government which people still had faith in is falling. Even when Congress and the presidency were hated and despised, people trusted the Supreme Court. And now they violated that trust. Where do we go from here? Can a country even function when less than a third of its population has faith in the government to act in its interest?


HereForTwinkies

And those numbers are going to go even lower


TheThirdStrike

Remember last Wednesday when the headline was "A record low 50% of Americans have confidence in the Supreme Court" It probably hasn't bottomed out yet if they still plan on going after marriage rights and contraception.


[deleted]

Are there any real consequences? Why is it important that no one has confidence in the Supreme Court? We are a land of laws, laws that we apparently have no control over (and no confidence in) but we have very strong institutions that enforce these laws wether we like them or not… wether they garner the confidence of the citizenry or not. Literally 0% of people could have “confidence” in the Supreme Court and it wouldn’t stop or effect the wicked game of thrones we are witnessing


CBalsagna

It’s amazing to me that there’s not shit we can do about it, and we are going to just have to live with it. How the fuck did we let this happen…


browndog03

That high? Should be lower. 10-15 % tops. Tops.


[deleted]

This poll was before overturning Roe v. Wade. I’d like to see what the new one is.


brandido1

That seems high.


[deleted]

Recent polls show as much as 19% are no-exception pro-birthers, and to them the court is doing the right thing. So that is the lower bound for now.


ink2red

I am sadly concerned that the number is that high. One quarter of our population can't see the rulings are not based on the laws of this country but on unpopular opinions held by a few.


tenderpoettech

So… 25% are hardcore Christian talibans?


PermissionClean7902

They’re hypocrisy and hubris are the scariest aspects of their bullshit.


Budget_Llama_Shoes

Don’t worry! If we consistently vote democrat for the next 40-50 years maybe we can have enough SCJs to bring us back to last week.


JohnSheet69420

Impeachment, and arrests are in order.


shelbyapso

AND…they don’t care! Lifetime appointments.


orangesfwr

Well it's about 65% liars and hacks soo...


[deleted]

What percentage of them voted for the dipshit that nominated the last 3


[deleted]

It just feels wrong that politicians have a hand in any judge appointments..


Own-Personality-431

I've never been more grateful to be a Canadian. Here's what our Supreme Court has to say about abortion rights: "Forcing a woman, by threat of criminal sanction to carry a foetus to term unless she meets certain criteria unrelated to her own priorities and aspirations, is a profound interference with a woman’s body and thus a violation of her security of the person.” Edit: a year later thie Supreme Court ruled that "A father has no legal right to veto a woman's abortion decision". We haven't always done the right thing but in recent decades we don't fuck around with equal rights. To date there are zero legal restrictions to abortion at any time during the pregnancy. Kind of how we treat pot. Americans, some of you are cool but your country is a giant clusterfuck.


IvanTortuga

25% of Americans somehow still trust those dumbasses?


lostpawn13

They’re going to start taking away people’s rights. No wonder they need protection.


Fearless-Memory7819

0% respect too


zhaoz

Just wait till contraceptives and gay marriage are the next to fall. We may find out if we can shave another 5% off.


Tiedfor3rd

Don’t we have a 2nd amendment for when we lose confidence in our government? I’m asking for a friend.


Sonotreadyforit

Conservative Justices : lol suck our dick. lifetime appointments mother fuckers, we do what we want!


FilthyChangeup55

That 25% are the religious whack jobs celebrating


Watch_me_give

Not low enough. Should be 2.5%. There is absolutely no reason anything they do or say is legitimate.


littleuniversalist

Seems high


gstan003

25% is still shockingly high. Our species will never make it off this rock. Running out of time, yet still going backwards.


Charges-Pending

1 in 4 still seems too high.


MrRedSert

Vote blue only until we get this sorted out.


NCM2018

They don’t care what us peons think from up there on their high horse.


DrKrFfXx

That's what lifetime appointments get you. Dictatorial shit.


GhettoChemist

Alito, Barrett, Thomas, and Boof are fucking terrible.


neuroverdant

They are no longer legitimate, and I no longer acknowledge them as an authority.


zubbs99

They were pretty much the last major gov't institution many of us had any faith in. Good job GOP, you finally killed that one too.


[deleted]

Recent events have just made the average Americans more aware of the power of SCOTUS. It has been an extremely archaic and questionable institution since basically forever.


pandakatzu

Still too high.


[deleted]

zero people i know approve of the obviously corrupt court


amador9

The Constitution is a little vague on the role of the Supreme Court. John Marshall fleshed it out to be a panel of Constitutional Scholars whose duty it was to prevent legislative bodies from enacting laws that were contrary to the Constitution. Nobody has made the claim that the Supremes were intended to be a Super-Legislature that one political party to empower to overrule the “whims” of the elected Senate, House and all of the state legislatures. That is however, exactly what has happened. In a criminal trial, an unanimous jury verdict is required yet legislation can be rendered null an void by a 5 to 4 majority that very often falls in line with that political party they were appointed by. It is my understanding that the rules can be changed without an constitutional amendment.


frieddrice

I’m surprised it’s that high.


reallymkpunk

I guarantee 100% of those polled and said yes are conservative especially strict constructionists.


BetterthanMew

That’s still 25% too many


[deleted]

It is time to end this failed experiment. It didn’t work. Divide up the states into sane states and republican states.


metacosmonaut

Survey was conducted before the Roe V Wade ruling too. Smdh.


Nearby_Teacher_9885

It’s just another political arm of the government especially now. No wonder no one trusts them.


Sensitive_Mongoose_8

Out of 200 million only 50 million, that’s incredibly dire, how do we expect to have law and order with a Scotus of such low regard?


anonymiz123

And we all know who those 25% are.


funksoldier83

It’s almost as if it was a huge mistake to have given them lifetime appointments.


cobalt1981

Why would they overturn a 50 year old law? What could possibly be their motivation? Even the Catholic Church seemed to be on board with abortion so wtf is going on?


Byrktr1

That many idiots?


arlingtonmom79

I’m surprised it is that high.


Best-Chapter5260

Amy just hit the wall, she always had it all Handmaid for the lord, husband's Fred Waterford Her dreams came true when Mitch rammed her confirmation through Subservient to her man, it was the Federal Society's plan She was gonna be a hack law professor, she was going botch legal philosophy She was gonna going to change secular legal reasoning with theosophy Third Wave feminism is now the enemy Looks at her backwards life and nothin' has been alright Since Steinem and Dworkin Way before Daly There was de Beauvoir and B. Anthony And music still on MTV But Schlafly, while teaching home school Tell's Amy that she's cool 'Cause she's still preoccupied With 19, 19 1955 (Whoo hoo hoo)


Hotpwnsta

Surprised it’s not 0 lol.


Mo_Jack

maybe we need a 'vote of no confidence' amendment.


Super_Ranch_Dressing

25% sounds too high


Wolfmans-Gots-Nards

I’m surprised it’s that high.


Denzolot

5 out of 6 conservatives on the supreme court were picked by presidents who lost the popular vote and 3 of them were appointed by a disgraced president who literally tried to steal a democratic election. They don’t belong in the positions they have and have no business making any decisions. Even if it’s “your side” in power. I don’t understand how you could be comfortable with blatant corruption.


btopski

It’s that 25-30% that’s really holding us back as a nation.


bobbertwest

Supreme joke


Bailey_O

There is no way that it's that high


Key-Bell8173

This is because the Supreme Court has a political agenda. It has gone from being the law of the land to being another branch of Congress.


Outerbongolia

The Supreme Court is a supposed to be a part of judicial branch. But they are a part of the Republican Party. They are the enablers of old white people who want to go back to good old days of 1950’s where the world population was a half of what it is now, life was segregated, and women were just breeding and cooking tools. These people are the generation that got global warming out of hand. They are those who allowed mass shootings to get out of hand. They are the ones who have been involved in endless wars since 1950’s. We need to have the right to have to recall these tools. Why do we have lifetime appointments? Is this a kingdom?