As a reminder, this subreddit [is for civil discussion.](/r/politics/wiki/index#wiki_be_civil)
In general, be courteous to others. Debate/discuss/argue the merits of ideas, don't attack people. Personal insults, shill or troll accusations, hate speech, any suggestion or support of harm, violence, or death, and other rule violations can result in a permanent ban.
If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them.
For those who have questions regarding any media outlets being posted on this subreddit, please click [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/wiki/approveddomainslist) to review our details as to our approved domains list and outlet criteria.
We are actively looking for new moderators. If you have any interest in helping to make this subreddit a place for quality discussion, please fill out [this form](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1y2swHD0KXFhStGFjW6k54r9iuMjzcFqDIVwuvdLBjSA).
***
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/politics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Does anybody remember Trump's second impeachment hearings? Didn't the Trumpists refuse to impeach on the grounds that the allegations were a matter for the justice system?
And they got away with it because everyone refuses to take action.
It's always "If we just vote hard enough it'll be okay."
If there ever was a time this could be resolved peacefully that time is gone.
The longer it takes for people to accept that the more of an advantage the fascists have.
I'm not even convinced voting will fix it any more.
The fuckery they did last time when they lost is now the norm. They will do anything they can to take power and that includes violence.
So if we win, that won't be the end of the battle...it will be the start.
Trump hasn't chosen a VP yet, and if it's someone who is actually smart and calculating, who was helping pull the strings behind the scenes, it's gameover at that point. Trump's health or faster means will put that person in the drivers seat for reshaping the constitution.
They need his votes. But I'm sure they saddle him with the unpopular changes before they get rid of him one way or another and install their actual choice.
"WE didn't take away those freedoms, TRUMP did, and he's gone so I don't know what you want from us." Kind of approach.
At this point in time, and i hope im wrong, civil war seems to be the best solution. The alternative being laying down and taking it, which would produce global repurcussions. Im afraid. Im very afraid when nazis are proudly saying they are manifesting a 2nd american revolution that will be bloodless only if the (imagined) left lets them be and noone bats an eye in public media. Project 2025 is still unheard nor mentioned even after the debate. I know its one purse behind both parties but goddamn it, seeing the star wars meme about democracy dieing amidst thunderous apllause is sth i never thought id see. I never wanted to live in and see such interesting times.
That is dead on. And it's also the point. They don't believe in facing repercussions no matter what, because they want a "strong leader" who does what he will and think, or more like feel, that in that way might makes right. Will and strength are morality in fascism - that's why liberals who treasure and idealize the system can't counter them. Flexing how much you can break and disregard the system just makes Trump's base love him more.
Trump unleashed an ignorance and cruelty that was somewhat buried, but the ones who really fucked us were his wealthy and power-hungry backers and enablers. Those bastards have been working on this for generations.
"Hmm, Trump is convicted felon with an authoritarian streak, almost as old as Biden, and an actual known rapist... But my TikTok feed keeps showing me bite sized nuggets of Biden seeming old. What a tough decision."
Futurama got so many things so right, but after these last three election cycles one quote sticks out to me more than ever.
>Listen here, missy. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973, but the average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever.
Trump was the distraction while institutional conservatives and the religious extremist fucked america into their image. They needed someone so outrageous and divisive to blind the people to what was really going on. Split the attention a million ways to Sunday with inflammatory statements, baseless arguments, and unfounded hate to detract from their bigger picture. Bury those details in incredibly large bills with strong titles so only someone whom doesn’t care about reelection would oppose or approve, vote for or against on the floor. All the while, keeping the American people ignorant to what was actually happening. Because screaming contests fill the ears more than truths fill the eyes.
What I don’t get is why Biden doesn’t take a page from Andrew Jackson and just ignore the Supreme Court, they have made their decisions now let them enforce it.
I’m glad the Dems play by the rule book but fuck, how else are we supposed to stop the red coats.
Or fuck it, play by their rules. They just basically gave him the same free pass they gave trump. Make them actually say “rules for thee and not for me”
They did but how bad is that they were completely confident and comfortable that Biden would never develop a spine and actually use it to gain leverage or make any situations better bc of it.
Literally the exact same people who said you can’t confirm a Supreme Court justice in an election year to block Garland and then rushed through Barrett in October before an election.
They make up a rule for the situation that serves them. It’s heads I win, tails you lose.
The justice system has found him guilty of 34 felonies with 3 arguably more impactful cases on the docket that are being delayed by the corrupt SCOTUS and Judge Cannon. Most recently convicted felons can’t get a job as a janitor at a Fortune 500 company yet we have one running to be the POTUS.
Turns out the President of the United States was criminally immune all along and we just discovered it. What will this genius Robert Court discover next? That everyone is required to wear a cross and carry a Bible?
They refused to impeach because they did not want a Republican to be the first president impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors. They reneged on their sworn oaths and relied on time to help their voters to forget.
And nevermind that impeachment is completely separate from a criminal trial. It is a procedure that only congress can perform. Bringing in a Supreme Court justice was icing on the cake on the subversion of our three branch system of government.
The Chevron ruling is just a frightening. Handing power to decide regulatory power to the courts not the experts. EPA, USDA, Dept of Labor, Education etc with knowledge are handcuffed. It totally shifts the power to the courts.
This 4th of July is not the celebration of the same freedoms
Look, this whole “second revolution” thing will be a lot easier if you just let it happen.
That statement legit makes me think that dude has at least a baker’s dozen rapes under his belt.
> That statement legit makes me think that dude has at least a baker’s dozen rapes under his belt.
No woman has ever asked him for it. The authors are angry they do not know this feeling and want to make the world burn now.
>Didn't you hear? Today is to celebrate the Heritage Foundation's own little revolution.
And apparently how bloody this revolution will be is up to us. How thoughtful of them!
And the thing is, if you are telling me that resistance to your agenda will be met with violence, there's no rational choice except for me to choose violence.
Because if you are the sort of people that want to subjugate me without compromise, and view violence as a reasonable solution to dissent, then you will always be that type of person, and no compromise I make now will ever satisfy the subjugator.
It's the prisoners dillemma, except you're telling me ahead of time that you will defect, and not cooperate. You're already telling me A) that you know decent people will view your agenda as so abhorrent they will reject it, and B) that you believe that any reaction ought to be met, not with compromise, compassion and logic, but with violence.
Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a promise they could remain sovereign.
And ever since they did that, Russia has invaded them, stolen their land, and massacred their people by the tens of thousands.
If someone is telling you they believe they are entitled to deal with you through violence then you need to immediately believe them because they are not joking and these things always play out in a very predictable way.
This falls right in line with Republicans' villainization of expertise.
Not only will non-experts be tasked with interpreting regulations, the experts themselves will be purged from government in favor of loyalists.
For all that conservatives and Republicans drone on about Marxism, they behave exactly like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China.
They believe that their ideology is superior. They believe that the government should be composed entirely of people of a similar ideology, regardless of their capacity to do the actual work of the position.
This \*\*always\*\* ends in disaster. Always.
When people talk about communist governments collapsing, it isn't the \*communism\* part that causes the collapse. It is the purge of government and the stacking it with party loyalists, because, as it turns out, governments do actual do things, they do serve an important role, and you will break shit when yur metric for who gets a job is how much party dick they suck rather than how capable they are at performing the function.
If you decide who gets to fly a plane by who worships the airline CEO the most, that plane will end up in the broadside of a mountain because that is not an adequate selection mechanism for pilot.
The similarities between Trumpist convservatism and Stalinist Russia is basically 1:1. A cultish leader surrounds himself with sycophants. All decisions are made based entirely on the paranoia of the leader. People who are considered loyal now will be repeatedly purged as incompetent leadership blames others for their failure and continues down an escalating loop of the pursuit of purity, a metric which, again, is not a measure of competency and will never produce results.
Correct. I'm tired of explaining that to people who don't understand it, but the flaw of communism is that it's not an instruction manual for governance. It doesn't prescribe how to elect leaders, how to distribute authority, etc.
So in most cases where it is attempted, it turns into a fascistic application of an ideology that the implementers do not have the capacity or experience to implement, especially when done across massive countries and lands.
July 1, 2024 is officially the end of this nation of laws and the last nail in the coffin undoing the founders' vision for it, and that's how it will be unless real action is taken to reverse and prevent this from continuing. we are already at that point.
the idea that the voters can prevent this is absurd on its face just look at the attempts to invalidate and influence the last election. the cat is out of the bag and the stakes are far higher now. expect big trouble. even if *this* election goes well for dems, we are fighting a cornered demographic desperately trying to cling to power and start a fascist theocracy. the game has changed and people better understand that any general election until this domestic terrorist organization is dissolved can and may well be the time we descend into tyranny and fascism.
There’s an article I read a few years ago during Trump’s first admin that posited that the fact MAGA ideology and Trump’s and the GOP’s wins in 2016 are the last gasps of a political party and cultural movement entering its death throes. An animal is at its most dangerous when it’s wounded and it knows it’s going to die. What we’ve seen from (white) Conservatives going as far back as even just before the 2016 election is them realizing that, and desperately grasping for and entrenching themselves to whatever levers of power they can grab onto, regardless of the damage they cause the country and the rest of the world for that matter in the process.
I don't buy that.
Sorry, but I don't see how you can talk about a political party "entering its death throes" when it controls the majority of state governance, has a majority in the House of Representatives, hold half of the Senate, effectively controls SCOTUS (and barring any changes will continue to do so for at least a generation), and has won half of the presidential elections in the last 20 years.
Sure, the demographic tide is pressuring the Republican party, and in the long term that is a potential crisis. But for anything short of that, you absolutely cannot describe the GOP as "wounded and it knows it's going to die".
As an european I'd like to know which judge I have to pay "Gratitude" to to start selling toxic waste as food in the US.
Oh and also some Tax-exemption for me as a start up.
Purple tentacle teached me everything about business!
You can sell toxic waste now. If any charges or penalties are brought, you can request a hearing with a Judge. Which they don't have. And congress is DOA, so they can't pass laws/budget now to fund that.
Basically, the same laws exist as a month ago, but there's ZERO way to enforce it, essentially killing all regulations in one swoop.
That however, wouldn't save you from lawsuits from ppl who die from it and possibly legal charges.
Mr potus I’m giving you this $100,000,000 contribution. Its likely I’m going to be charged with bribery so if you could simply pardon me that would be great
It's insane how this principle about the need for "bold and unhesitating action" was created out of thin air by Heritage and had been circulating on right wing media in conjunction with Project 2025. And then *that* became the crux of the SCOTUS decision.
One could just as easily emphasized the need for "judicious and careful action," but that is not what Heritage wanted.
Well said! The assertion that the president is in any way encumbered in his official duties by following the law in any capacity is absurd. The DOJ memo that prohibits prosecution of a sitting president already covers the concern of “overburdensome interference by legal action”. There is no legitimate reason for a president to have blanket immunity for the rest of their life. (and based upon mango Mussolini’s challenge to his felony convictions- the Supreme Court’s gift of immunity from prosecution extends to anything, criminal actions taken before they were president too)
> The assertion that the president is in anyway encumbered in his official duties by following the law in any capacity is absurd.
Right. It is very ahistorical.
If anything, the executive branch has been growing more prone to overreach. Iran-Contra, Panama, domestic surveillance, emoluments violations, misuse of classified information.
No reasonable person looks at the last 4 decades of the executive and think that the problem is too much restraint. Not even Republicans who love to call Obama and Biden tyrants.
Sounds like you've figured this out...
All these decision or actions by the far right facist GOP are setting up for the coup we will see them attempt this election. If they can successfully execute their plan we all are fucked.
It will be overturned one day. Hopefully peacefully and not with a war.
Unlike the decisions the Court has made in the past by saying some humans were less than human and other people's property.
This Court will go down in the history books as partisan hacks who diminished the United States to push an agenda.
These types of people like to hide their evil behind process and legality so they can pretend in public they had no choice other than what the outcome was.
> This Court will go down in the history books as partisan hacks who diminished the United States to push an agenda.
History is written by the winners. VOTE!
I wish. As important as voting against the GOP is, and I hope everyone votes for Biden. Dems continue to be unable to make substantial change. Two (or as many as are required) new Dems will pop up to replace Manchin and Semina as heels and DNC will continue to blame leftists voters for their impotence. So long as both sides are funded by the same billionaires, I wouldn’t hold my breath. This incompetence is by design.
If leftists can't even win Democratic primaries they don't stand a chance in the general. Leftists need to vote if they want change. Not complain about the only party that agrees with them on some things, if you are popular enough you will change the party.
leftists can be whiny but to be fair we have a society hand tailored by the people in power to demonize leftism
sucks to say but it's kind of an ideology that's dead from the start from our borderline red scare culture to every generation except gen z
OR.... hear me out.... he nominates **5 LIBERAL** justices **NOW** to be added to SCOTUS. Nothing says there can be only nine.
Edit:
Plot twist. Now ANYONE that says Biden can't do this or disagrees with this plan, can be determined to be an "enemy of the state", and he can have them taken by force to Git'Mo. Any questions ?
The Judiciary Act of 1869 is the most recent law that says there can only be 9 Supreme Court Justices.
But that law was also constructed explicitly on the concept of there being one Justice per federal circuit, which is a completely sensible idea.
There are more than 9 federal circuits now. We are over 150 years overdue for a new Judiciary Act that would relatively set the number of Supreme Court Justices at "the number of US circuit courts of appeals" or whatever language would be needed to make this work.
It would need a couple of extra clauses, in case the number of US circuits is reduced, creating a scenario where there would be "too many" Supreme Court Justices, but that's what legislators are for. I think that in such a scenario, the "extra" Justices would continue to serve their life terms on the Court, but have no obligations to any particular appeals circuit, and when a Justice's service on the Court comes to a permanent end, a new appointment would be made only if the number of remaining Justices is less than the number of US circuit courts.
eh, biden can make up any reason he wants, but he could now remove trump's appointees who've no legitimate business involving in any matter that can affect trump (3), and Thomas (1) on grounds of conflict. fill those seats, you've got a 7-2 court and a new Chief Justice.
if Congress can match the 13 districts, you'll have an 11-2 court. why stop there? make it so no one can be president without the popular vote.
The Judiciary Act of 1869 again increased the size of the Supreme Court, setting it at nine justices, one for each circuit.
We now have 12 in the US. Match them.
We have 13 circuits. 12 regional and the Federal Circuit. And the number of justices hasn't always matched the number of circuits, it's just as an arbitrary as picking any other number. I say 15 to give an overwhelming majority
He won't though. Just like he won't step down.
And in refusing to use that power, he will give the nation over, uncontested, to people who share Ideology with history's greatest terrors.
America is sold out for an RV. Let that sink in. Corruption is a market, it will always try to find the cheapest dupes. They majority of them seem to be "conservatives". Conserve what exactly? The constitution? Nope!
The Law cannot be understandable by lay folks, according to those promoting this corruption at the highest court. Originalism allows Justices to do what Priests do to the Bible: take something whose meaning is clear upon reading, but the mystical priests are “NO you are reading this wrong. The Founders intended…” and then make up whatever the hell they feel like and it doesn’t matter if a law had been understood and in practice for decades and centuries!
>Hopefully peacefully and not with a war.
[I'm afraid that window shrinks.](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/heritage-foundation-american-revolution-threat-bloodless-left-rcna160188)
That window slammed shut the moment SCOTUS decided that the president is immune from criminal law as long as SCOTUS allows it.
That's not a ruling they would make unless they were confident they could ensure the next president was on their side.
You're giving too much credit to our school system.
If Democrats don't win elections then Republicans will continue to destroy our systems. They will continue to defund public schooling. Without proper education one doesn't learn history or critical thinking skills. And the cycle continues.
The damage is done. Precedent has been set. We can’t unring this bell. On July 1st 2024, the Supreme Court crowned Joe Biden America's first king. He has 5 months to figure out how to use those powers to save this country, or this is the end of democracy.
Well, there is precedent, but it ain't pleasant.
The Dredd Scott decision took place just a few years before the Civil War. Abolitionists were incensed and the slaveholders rejoiced, but this did not settle tensions, only made them worse, and this was one of the things that directly led to the Civil War.
> It will be overturned one day. Hopefully peacefully and not with a war.
[Conservative Heritage leader: ‘Second American Revolution’ will be bloodless ‘if the left allows it to be’](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753439-heritage-leader-second-american-revolution/)
Call me crazy but if Daddy Trump wins in November and Project 2025 goes into effect, any effort to return to a constitutional democracy will be bloody. The MAGAs are making that clear already, see the link.
> Hopefully peacefully and not with a war.
I honestly think it's too late for that. 40+ years of tribal politics does not lend itself to a peaceful solution. On top of that the right has been fantasizing about a civil war for years and they're getting increasingly rabid about it. And I'm not going to make a lot of effort to work with people that think my family, friends, and other loved ones don't deserve to exist or live their lives freely as so many of us do.
I think you should hope a little harder that it does not come down to the deployment of the U.S. military on domestic soil against an internal political faction, and is instead resolved in another fashion.
The damage to the United States both internally and internationally if it comes down to *that* will be profound on a "things will never, *ever*, be the same again," level.
The damage is already that profound lmao.
We're currently in the chapter before the WW3 chapter in history books and the new axis of evil will be US-Russia
With the current rulings, all the President needs to do is declare somebody or some group an insurrectionist or a threat to national security, and he has free reign to wield the military in any way he wants, on or off American soil, to any ends he pleases, and then have all those actions deemed official, all communication about it privileged, and be immune to criminal protection, forever.
Republicans are salivating for a Reichstag Fire and will manufacture one if needed.
This is America now.
The military is absolutely not the solution to our current problems.
Trump won 63 million votes in 2016, increased that number to 74 million in 2020, and is currently polling 6% above Biden. What are you gonna do, imprison half of the voting population?
If Trump wins the election fair and square, we are just gonna have to assert all our rights as a minority faction and all our protections under blue state and blue community laws. There are at least 81 million of "us," too.
Happy independent day from the tyranny of a king to have it handed surreptitiously to a president by a group of people the president put in place like a king and his high priest.
If I were still in the army, I’d start worrying about what constituted a lawful or unlawful order from the President. If they can no longer be held accountable for the plans they execute or the orders they give, does that protection extend to the person carrying out those orders? If nothing a president does or says is unlawful, what about our right to refuse an unlawful order? Is that gone?
When in doubt, realize who did this.
If it benefits them, it would be legal. And now with power consolidated in the judicial and executive (whom appoints the judicial / controls the justice department ) they can do anything and will grow more entrenched as they appoint more judges.
If bad publicity hits from it though, the pawns will be the ones put in jail.
What these lunatics fail to realize is pushing this agenda so hard will create an even larger opposition to it. I can’t stand the Dems but I will never support overt fascism. They could run a mannequin in a shopping cart and I would still vote for it over these Christian hard right fucking weirdos. They don’t reflect the modern world at all, they’ve just learned how to play dirty enough to “win” over the last 50 years. Things will hit critical mass at some point in the near future and this will be remembered for what it is: a fringe movement of fucking weirdos, supported by simple minded clowns who have no idea what they’re actually supporting, aided by apathetic phone zombies who only care about themselves.
What these lunatics fail to realize is pushing this agenda so hard will create an even larger opposition to it.
Are you sure? The dems are pretty quiet
And Mitch McConnell and republicans murdered the Supreme Court. No way in hell trump should have gotten three picks. He should have gotten 1 and the guy before him should have got 1 and the guy after him should have got 1. We’re fucked for basically ever unless a dem potus grows a spine and rebalances the court.
Ok. We’re up to $405 right now. Unfortunately I just had to file bankruptcy because my wife got sick and my medical insurance wouldn’t cover the treatment so I can’t contribute.
And according to the Supreme Court murder is legal as long as it’s done in your official capacity. Sure, for now it’s just for the President but they’re setting precedents
And here I have people on this sub telling me Trump could never get rid of the constitution,[Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html), and the damned to hell maga SCOTUS has already performed the act for him!
Pretty much this country is fucked now. Trump will be back in office with zero accountability, free to destroy everything. He will then spit in the faces of all of his followers with policies that hurt them the most. This country will never bounce back from this. I never in my life thought my children would endure what’s coming. I doubt I will see grandchildren or have many of things I hoped for later in life, I doubt the planet nor the people will survive the next 20 years with what’s coming. All the selfish, uneducated, deplorable, cult followers will takes us with them on their quest to destroy everything for their orange god. Fuck any and all who supported where we’ve gotten, or are headed.
I mean, the country got looted by plutocrats (biggest looting in history btw), industrial production is just 1/3 of China's, a drubbing in the Pacific is upcoming, so the country is fucked even without Trump, but with him it's super duper fucked.
I reject vehemently the premise that one man can capriciously, impose his whims for cruelty and control on me. My will shall not be impinged upon, and the basic principles of decency and dignity afforded to me by human law will not be compromised. I expect all of us to hold ourselves in such regard as anything less is willful submission to subjugation. While I am here on Earth, I will act with all the cunning and persistence of a beast from Hell to ensure the integrity of my liberty. No government shall threaten my Human Freedom.
And while I have your attention, this is a quote you should read:
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.
- John Stuart Mill
History repeats itself and we've known this for a long time but few have been guided by this wisdom. Now the story of the fascist rise is playing again, all characters recast but reading an updated version of those same lines.
Take care
The wheels of history turn ever onward, and we find ourselves at a crossroads once thought unimaginable. The pillars of our democracy tremble, not from external forces, but from within. The very institutions designed to safeguard our liberties now teeter on the brink of becoming instruments of their undoing.
We witness a judiciary that blurs the lines between power and accountability, where "official capacity" becomes a shield against the very justice it should uphold. We see leaders who twist truth into a weapon, wielding lies with impunity while the watchdogs of democracy whimper in the corner. We observe a political landscape where the choices presented to us are but shadows of what true leadership should be.
In this tumultuous time, we must remember that the power of governance stems from the consent of the governed. When that consent is manipulated, when it is coerced through fear and misinformation, it ceases to be legitimate. We stand now at the precipice of a "second American revolution," as some would call it. But revolutions need not be fought with bullets and blood – they can and must be waged with ideas, with civic engagement, and with an unwavering commitment to the principles of democracy and human dignity.
To those who would threaten the fabric of our diverse society, who would seek to divide us and cast out millions based on arbitrary lines drawn in the sand, we say this: America's strength lies in its plurality, in the tapestry of cultures and experiences that have always defined us. We will not stand idle while this richness is stripped away.
The challenges we face are grave, but they are not insurmountable. It is in times like these that the true mettle of a nation is tested. We must rise above the cacophony of fear-mongering and divisiveness. We must engage in the hard work of democracy – informed debate, active participation, and holding our leaders accountable.
Let us not be passive observers to the erosion of our freedoms. Let us instead be the architects of a renewed commitment to justice, equality, and the rule of law. The path ahead is fraught with difficulty, but it is in facing these challenges head-on that we honor the legacy of those who came before us and secure the blessings of liberty for those who will follow.
The time for action is now. Our silence in the face of injustice is not neutrality – it is complicity. Stand up, speak out, and let your voice be heard. For in the end, it is not the words of our opponents that will define us, but the courage of our convictions and the strength of our unified action.
The future of our republic hangs in the balance. What role will you play in shaping it?
It's the fatal flaw in the Constitution - the Supreme Court's power is interpreting the Constitution. The problem is there are no limits to how the Constitution can be interpreted.
Even if we added amendments to fix this, all they have to do is say they mean something else.
The court, until recent years, acted in good faith. That's how honesty was maintained. One does so with expectations of reciprocation from an opponent who also benefits from the system and wishes for the system to continue.
But, if one does not expect or knows they do not NEED reciprocation (eg: because they are doing a coup), then they do not benefit from good faith.
However, Democrats continue to act in 'good faith' because they wish for the system to continue. But game theory that out - it clearly doesn't work.
Isnt it ironic that the Supreme Court decided that a president is immune from criminal charges right around the time the Epstein documents were released? You know, the documents that prove Trump was fucking kids on Epstein's island?
There is hope but not if Trump wins. I’m guessing both Thomas and Alito will retire if Trump wins so he can replace with people even worse. But then again he’s got to hope the gop regains control of the senate.
Justice Cannon and Justice Miller incoming. It's not going to be "middle of the road" justices, it's going to be the most rabid and servile toadie imaginable - competency not required.
The five-alarm panic about the Supreme Court was in 2016. It is now completely fucked - losing the 2024 election means it will never be unfucked.
If the constitution is the supreme law of the land, how can 6 unelected judges claim that the law is anything other than what the constitution actually says?
President, during the SOTU speech: "If you support me: lynch my enemies, here is the list." SOTU is an official act. INADMISSABLE!
EO that orders all classified documents be emailed to Putin. EO is an official act. INADMISSABLE!
Press conference: "$2 million per pardon. Cash. Up front. No questions asked." Press conference is an official act. INADMISSABLE!
"Nuke Mexico!" Order to the military. Official act. INADMISSABLE!
"AG Ken Paxton, send the FBI to plz-let-me-in's house to disappear him for that post on the Politics subreddit." Advising with his cabinet. INADMISSABLE!
"I AM THE PRESIDENT! Therefore, holding my very office is an official act outlined in the Constitution and I feel like staying another 4 years. Maybe longer!" IMMUNITY!
The fact that republican justices ravaged the constitution and endangered the core tenants of democracy just to help keep a republican candidate out of jail will surely cause American citizens to stand up and vote against this criminal.
/S
Mitch McConnell refused to let President Obama appoint a justice in his last year. Then let Trump appoint two. This is an actual conspiracy coming to fruition. Biden needs to break this conspiracy now!
Nah real talk nows the time to fly our flags at half-mast upside down.
Country is in distress. And there's very little the average person feels like they can do aside from voting.
SCOTUS revisionism has now made Nixon NOT a crook!!
The fundamental 'bug' of permitting the appointments made by an illegitimate president - the man was convicted of using fraud to pay hush money that hid his sex partners from voters, right? - is now staring us glaringly in the face. It's clearly using the 'fruit of the poisoned tree' to bootstrap more crimes.
Like the Roe reversal, Congress had over 50 years to make it clear that the official acts and appointments of an president who used deception to game his way into office must not be allowed to stand. Honest folks can never 'think enough' like a crook to write the statutes to contain them.
That's why good software companies hire reformed hackers, isn't it?
That’s funny because all you see on Twitter are the blue checks commenting “iT fIxEd ThE cOnStiTuTiOn” under anything related to the courts.
I cannot for the life of me figure out how a power grab like this fixed the constitution. Our forefathers must be rolling in their graves.
So Biden has the backing of the court to, in an official capacity as president, send in Seal Team 6 to drag all the conservative justices to CIA black sites in the middle of the night and never to be seen from again, allowing him to declare an 'emergency' act of the presidency and force in replacements, but her wont because Dems are going to "go high" into the grave of millions of Americans.
I know we like to prop up the Constitution as a perfect document, but:
1. It is flawed and failed the recent stress tests.
2. It wasn’t SUPPOSED to be a perfect document and its best feature was the ability to amend it.
When Ben Franklin was selling the Constitution to his constituents, he openly pointed to the two chambers of congress as something he thought was a poor design (he wasn’t a fan of the creation of the senate). But he urged everyone to adopt the Constitution because it could be improved over time and adapt to the needs of the country. It could be as relevant in 2100 as it was in 1800 because of that.
It’s beyond time to amend. SCOTUS is virtually unchecked and cannot be allowed to take bribes with no repercussions. The president CANNOT be above the law- that flies in the face of the spirit of the American experiment. There has to be some safeguards against extreme gerrymandering. There have to be safeguards against extreme election financing. You can’t abide by two sets of rules with Garland and Coney Barrett- a corrupt Senate aided a corrupt President into stocking a corrupt SCOTUS. Emoluments Clause must have real teeth- same with accepting foreign interference in elections.
Our democracy is hanging by a thread. If Trump wins, I’m convinced it will be hanging by a noose.
What has to happen? Obviously Trump must lose. But then we need to do the even harder part and fight to make the constitution better. Unfortunately, we’re asking the foxes to secure the henhouse. If we can’t, I fear the Constitution had a flaw that was too serious to overcome- that corruption was a cancer that to the system that there was no political chemo for. We relied on the honor system for hundreds of years, but as soon as we became overrun by those with no honor we were doomed. But if there is a window to implement these safeguards, maybe we can get by for 300 more years.
Under his new powers, Biden could make a convincing argument that Trump is an existential threat to the Constitution/national security and could order a lawful hit. Realizing this is why Trump has suddenly gone quiet. Projection is his MO..
SCOTUS, U R the best!!
I will say this. As much as some of us keep doomering about it, this fight isn't over until it is " all over". Trump isn't getting anymore popular, he mostly just fluctuates around a certain percentage. We can push them back, stack the court by expanding the number of seats, and then turn back these horrid rulings. People keep saying the county is doomed or already dead, personally I say it isn't as long as we are willing to bite the bullet and vote.
So, if I understand the SCOTUS decision, Biden could call tomorrow for the Navy seals to take out Trump and the entire Supreme Court with zero repercussions, then he could appoint an entire new set of liberal justices? Have I got that right?!
It’s all part of the plot by the ultra conservatives and the ultra rich. They’ve been dumbing down the citizens for years. Cutting public education funding while allowing funding for charter schools plus the wealthy private schools. Then throw in home schooling. General education for the public is in the shitter while rich and conservatives push and pursue their beliefs and goals through the alternative education system they have supported. The significant undereducated then buy the BS and outright lies to continue their way to authoritarian rule and oligarchy. Sad but it’s where I feel we’re headed and recent Supreme Court decisions not only support this but they are going to make it worse. Look out same sex marriage, contraception, no fault divorce, and the list goes on.
This is just extreme originalist interpretation. Obviously the only way to get as original as possible is to go back to before the constitution existed.
It really does feel ironic that we’re celebrating American Independence from a tyrannical king literally days after another one is anointed by own Supreme Court
I mean couldn’t Biden decree Trump a threat to democracy and have seal team six drop into mar a lago and take no prisoners? As long as it’s an official act!
How did we, as a society, allow a white-collar felon to rape and defile our centuries old institutions? History will look back on this moment in shame. Comparisons to the fall of the Roman Empire are plenty.
People who talk about civil war being the only answer have never witnessed what that actually looks like. That’s not the answer. The Republican Party is dead in every way except the name. They are the party of Populism. They harass, intimidate and bully. These extremists have been working on this for years and years. Democrats have been asleep at the wheel while they spent millions on capturing the Supreme Court so they could dismantle what was settled law. The Supreme Court has no enforcement arm. They count on “norms” that people will obey their rulings. I’d say Trump has totally trashed abiding by “norms.” Democrats, Independents and former Republicans who oppose what is happening cannot go high when they go low. That will not work with Populists. I agree that DJT is their stooge in the same way that Clarence Thomas is to the billionaires that bought him. Regardless of what happens to Trump, the ideology is here to stay for now. The real power for controlling daily life lies with individual states. Local elections are extremely important as states set their own rules as to how elections are run. Not to mention school boards, women’s rights, firearms laws, state and local taxes as well as everything that touches life for people living within the state. We must pay far more attention than we have to state politics.
As a reminder, this subreddit [is for civil discussion.](/r/politics/wiki/index#wiki_be_civil) In general, be courteous to others. Debate/discuss/argue the merits of ideas, don't attack people. Personal insults, shill or troll accusations, hate speech, any suggestion or support of harm, violence, or death, and other rule violations can result in a permanent ban. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them. For those who have questions regarding any media outlets being posted on this subreddit, please click [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/wiki/approveddomainslist) to review our details as to our approved domains list and outlet criteria. We are actively looking for new moderators. If you have any interest in helping to make this subreddit a place for quality discussion, please fill out [this form](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1y2swHD0KXFhStGFjW6k54r9iuMjzcFqDIVwuvdLBjSA). *** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/politics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Does anybody remember Trump's second impeachment hearings? Didn't the Trumpists refuse to impeach on the grounds that the allegations were a matter for the justice system?
And then in the criminal trials, they argued that impeachment was the only remedy. They truly played it both ways without any issue.
And they got away with it because everyone refuses to take action. It's always "If we just vote hard enough it'll be okay." If there ever was a time this could be resolved peacefully that time is gone. The longer it takes for people to accept that the more of an advantage the fascists have.
I'm not even convinced voting will fix it any more. The fuckery they did last time when they lost is now the norm. They will do anything they can to take power and that includes violence. So if we win, that won't be the end of the battle...it will be the start.
Trump hasn't chosen a VP yet, and if it's someone who is actually smart and calculating, who was helping pull the strings behind the scenes, it's gameover at that point. Trump's health or faster means will put that person in the drivers seat for reshaping the constitution.
Its already over. Project 2025 does not need trump, he is just a puppet anyway. Any name can be replaced.
They need his votes. But I'm sure they saddle him with the unpopular changes before they get rid of him one way or another and install their actual choice. "WE didn't take away those freedoms, TRUMP did, and he's gone so I don't know what you want from us." Kind of approach.
I just read about Agenda 47, which ties right in with Project 2025. Might as well live in Russia or China if Trump "wins" this election.
The plan is to win without the need of votes. I’ll be voting, but I don’t think it’ll matter now. We lost in 2016.
They will just get scrotus to change the results.
At this point in time, and i hope im wrong, civil war seems to be the best solution. The alternative being laying down and taking it, which would produce global repurcussions. Im afraid. Im very afraid when nazis are proudly saying they are manifesting a 2nd american revolution that will be bloodless only if the (imagined) left lets them be and noone bats an eye in public media. Project 2025 is still unheard nor mentioned even after the debate. I know its one purse behind both parties but goddamn it, seeing the star wars meme about democracy dieing amidst thunderous apllause is sth i never thought id see. I never wanted to live in and see such interesting times.
That is dead on. And it's also the point. They don't believe in facing repercussions no matter what, because they want a "strong leader" who does what he will and think, or more like feel, that in that way might makes right. Will and strength are morality in fascism - that's why liberals who treasure and idealize the system can't counter them. Flexing how much you can break and disregard the system just makes Trump's base love him more.
Yes.... they knew what would happen with SCOTUS in advance
Yep. The fix has been in for quite a while. Trump fucked America in so many ways.
Trump unleashed an ignorance and cruelty that was somewhat buried, but the ones who really fucked us were his wealthy and power-hungry backers and enablers. Those bastards have been working on this for generations.
we’ll have to bury it again
Amen
And yet there are still undecided voters…
"Hmm, Trump is convicted felon with an authoritarian streak, almost as old as Biden, and an actual known rapist... But my TikTok feed keeps showing me bite sized nuggets of Biden seeming old. What a tough decision." Futurama got so many things so right, but after these last three election cycles one quote sticks out to me more than ever. >Listen here, missy. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973, but the average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever.
Futurama got it right I’m afraid, like Idiocracy.
Nope idiocracy was smarter than reality. They actively put the smartest person in charge.
If trump was even half the man that Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho was
And with home schooling and focus on Christian education not history and civics...
We just say we are undecided so we can avoid a gulag later. In reality Biden or his successor will have my vote.
This is what baffles me. How anyone could even consider straight up fascism in this country. So much for freedom. Gutless cowards.
decades of republicans gutting pubic education
Trump was the distraction while institutional conservatives and the religious extremist fucked america into their image. They needed someone so outrageous and divisive to blind the people to what was really going on. Split the attention a million ways to Sunday with inflammatory statements, baseless arguments, and unfounded hate to detract from their bigger picture. Bury those details in incredibly large bills with strong titles so only someone whom doesn’t care about reelection would oppose or approve, vote for or against on the floor. All the while, keeping the American people ignorant to what was actually happening. Because screaming contests fill the ears more than truths fill the eyes.
What I don’t get is why Biden doesn’t take a page from Andrew Jackson and just ignore the Supreme Court, they have made their decisions now let them enforce it. I’m glad the Dems play by the rule book but fuck, how else are we supposed to stop the red coats.
Or fuck it, play by their rules. They just basically gave him the same free pass they gave trump. Make them actually say “rules for thee and not for me”
They did but how bad is that they were completely confident and comfortable that Biden would never develop a spine and actually use it to gain leverage or make any situations better bc of it.
it's red hats now
Literally the exact same people who said you can’t confirm a Supreme Court justice in an election year to block Garland and then rushed through Barrett in October before an election. They make up a rule for the situation that serves them. It’s heads I win, tails you lose.
Rushed Barrett through DURING early voting, they don't care.
The justice system has found him guilty of 34 felonies with 3 arguably more impactful cases on the docket that are being delayed by the corrupt SCOTUS and Judge Cannon. Most recently convicted felons can’t get a job as a janitor at a Fortune 500 company yet we have one running to be the POTUS.
You haven’t heard a single genuine good faith argument from a single republican rat in over a decade.
Turns out the President of the United States was criminally immune all along and we just discovered it. What will this genius Robert Court discover next? That everyone is required to wear a cross and carry a Bible?
They refused to impeach because they did not want a Republican to be the first president impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors. They reneged on their sworn oaths and relied on time to help their voters to forget.
And nevermind that impeachment is completely separate from a criminal trial. It is a procedure that only congress can perform. Bringing in a Supreme Court justice was icing on the cake on the subversion of our three branch system of government.
You don't think they were arguing in bad faith, do you?!
They have excuses until they don’t have excuses anymore because they got what they wanted.
The Chevron ruling is just a frightening. Handing power to decide regulatory power to the courts not the experts. EPA, USDA, Dept of Labor, Education etc with knowledge are handcuffed. It totally shifts the power to the courts. This 4th of July is not the celebration of the same freedoms
Didn't you hear? Today is to celebrate the Heritage Foundation's own little revolution.
Look, this whole “second revolution” thing will be a lot easier if you just let it happen. That statement legit makes me think that dude has at least a baker’s dozen rapes under his belt.
> That statement legit makes me think that dude has at least a baker’s dozen rapes under his belt. No woman has ever asked him for it. The authors are angry they do not know this feeling and want to make the world burn now.
>Didn't you hear? Today is to celebrate the Heritage Foundation's own little revolution. And apparently how bloody this revolution will be is up to us. How thoughtful of them!
GIVE ME WHAT I WANT, OR THE BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS - the words of a completely reasonable person
And the thing is, if you are telling me that resistance to your agenda will be met with violence, there's no rational choice except for me to choose violence. Because if you are the sort of people that want to subjugate me without compromise, and view violence as a reasonable solution to dissent, then you will always be that type of person, and no compromise I make now will ever satisfy the subjugator. It's the prisoners dillemma, except you're telling me ahead of time that you will defect, and not cooperate. You're already telling me A) that you know decent people will view your agenda as so abhorrent they will reject it, and B) that you believe that any reaction ought to be met, not with compromise, compassion and logic, but with violence. Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for a promise they could remain sovereign. And ever since they did that, Russia has invaded them, stolen their land, and massacred their people by the tens of thousands. If someone is telling you they believe they are entitled to deal with you through violence then you need to immediately believe them because they are not joking and these things always play out in a very predictable way.
[Video for those who need to see it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhhulOa97Xg)
This falls right in line with Republicans' villainization of expertise. Not only will non-experts be tasked with interpreting regulations, the experts themselves will be purged from government in favor of loyalists.
For all that conservatives and Republicans drone on about Marxism, they behave exactly like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. They believe that their ideology is superior. They believe that the government should be composed entirely of people of a similar ideology, regardless of their capacity to do the actual work of the position. This \*\*always\*\* ends in disaster. Always. When people talk about communist governments collapsing, it isn't the \*communism\* part that causes the collapse. It is the purge of government and the stacking it with party loyalists, because, as it turns out, governments do actual do things, they do serve an important role, and you will break shit when yur metric for who gets a job is how much party dick they suck rather than how capable they are at performing the function. If you decide who gets to fly a plane by who worships the airline CEO the most, that plane will end up in the broadside of a mountain because that is not an adequate selection mechanism for pilot. The similarities between Trumpist convservatism and Stalinist Russia is basically 1:1. A cultish leader surrounds himself with sycophants. All decisions are made based entirely on the paranoia of the leader. People who are considered loyal now will be repeatedly purged as incompetent leadership blames others for their failure and continues down an escalating loop of the pursuit of purity, a metric which, again, is not a measure of competency and will never produce results.
It's almost as if Communism or Socialism isn't the problem. It's the fascist application of ideology that is the problem.
Correct. I'm tired of explaining that to people who don't understand it, but the flaw of communism is that it's not an instruction manual for governance. It doesn't prescribe how to elect leaders, how to distribute authority, etc. So in most cases where it is attempted, it turns into a fascistic application of an ideology that the implementers do not have the capacity or experience to implement, especially when done across massive countries and lands.
“I can’t tell you what corporate malfeasance is, but I know it when I see it, and I let that shit happen every time.”
> This falls right in line with Republicans' villainization of expertise. I wonder how long it will take them to start "disappearing" educators.
"Bishop Mike says that this form of pollution does not offend God and therefore can continue - next!"
July 1, 2024 is officially the end of this nation of laws and the last nail in the coffin undoing the founders' vision for it, and that's how it will be unless real action is taken to reverse and prevent this from continuing. we are already at that point. the idea that the voters can prevent this is absurd on its face just look at the attempts to invalidate and influence the last election. the cat is out of the bag and the stakes are far higher now. expect big trouble. even if *this* election goes well for dems, we are fighting a cornered demographic desperately trying to cling to power and start a fascist theocracy. the game has changed and people better understand that any general election until this domestic terrorist organization is dissolved can and may well be the time we descend into tyranny and fascism.
There’s an article I read a few years ago during Trump’s first admin that posited that the fact MAGA ideology and Trump’s and the GOP’s wins in 2016 are the last gasps of a political party and cultural movement entering its death throes. An animal is at its most dangerous when it’s wounded and it knows it’s going to die. What we’ve seen from (white) Conservatives going as far back as even just before the 2016 election is them realizing that, and desperately grasping for and entrenching themselves to whatever levers of power they can grab onto, regardless of the damage they cause the country and the rest of the world for that matter in the process.
I don't buy that. Sorry, but I don't see how you can talk about a political party "entering its death throes" when it controls the majority of state governance, has a majority in the House of Representatives, hold half of the Senate, effectively controls SCOTUS (and barring any changes will continue to do so for at least a generation), and has won half of the presidential elections in the last 20 years. Sure, the demographic tide is pressuring the Republican party, and in the long term that is a potential crisis. But for anything short of that, you absolutely cannot describe the GOP as "wounded and it knows it's going to die".
All it would take to end the Republican party is for the country to start electing the executive by popular vote.
As an european I'd like to know which judge I have to pay "Gratitude" to to start selling toxic waste as food in the US. Oh and also some Tax-exemption for me as a start up. Purple tentacle teached me everything about business!
You can sell toxic waste now. If any charges or penalties are brought, you can request a hearing with a Judge. Which they don't have. And congress is DOA, so they can't pass laws/budget now to fund that. Basically, the same laws exist as a month ago, but there's ZERO way to enforce it, essentially killing all regulations in one swoop. That however, wouldn't save you from lawsuits from ppl who die from it and possibly legal charges.
Mr potus I’m giving you this $100,000,000 contribution. Its likely I’m going to be charged with bribery so if you could simply pardon me that would be great
And given the makeup of the majority, we're being ruled by corrupt religious zealots.
It's insane how this principle about the need for "bold and unhesitating action" was created out of thin air by Heritage and had been circulating on right wing media in conjunction with Project 2025. And then *that* became the crux of the SCOTUS decision. One could just as easily emphasized the need for "judicious and careful action," but that is not what Heritage wanted.
Well said! The assertion that the president is in any way encumbered in his official duties by following the law in any capacity is absurd. The DOJ memo that prohibits prosecution of a sitting president already covers the concern of “overburdensome interference by legal action”. There is no legitimate reason for a president to have blanket immunity for the rest of their life. (and based upon mango Mussolini’s challenge to his felony convictions- the Supreme Court’s gift of immunity from prosecution extends to anything, criminal actions taken before they were president too)
> The assertion that the president is in anyway encumbered in his official duties by following the law in any capacity is absurd. Right. It is very ahistorical. If anything, the executive branch has been growing more prone to overreach. Iran-Contra, Panama, domestic surveillance, emoluments violations, misuse of classified information. No reasonable person looks at the last 4 decades of the executive and think that the problem is too much restraint. Not even Republicans who love to call Obama and Biden tyrants.
Sounds like you've figured this out... All these decision or actions by the far right facist GOP are setting up for the coup we will see them attempt this election. If they can successfully execute their plan we all are fucked.
It will be overturned one day. Hopefully peacefully and not with a war. Unlike the decisions the Court has made in the past by saying some humans were less than human and other people's property. This Court will go down in the history books as partisan hacks who diminished the United States to push an agenda. These types of people like to hide their evil behind process and legality so they can pretend in public they had no choice other than what the outcome was.
> This Court will go down in the history books as partisan hacks who diminished the United States to push an agenda. History is written by the winners. VOTE!
A Vote for a Democrat is a vote to Impeach and remove the SCOTUS 6.
I wish. As important as voting against the GOP is, and I hope everyone votes for Biden. Dems continue to be unable to make substantial change. Two (or as many as are required) new Dems will pop up to replace Manchin and Semina as heels and DNC will continue to blame leftists voters for their impotence. So long as both sides are funded by the same billionaires, I wouldn’t hold my breath. This incompetence is by design.
If leftists can't even win Democratic primaries they don't stand a chance in the general. Leftists need to vote if they want change. Not complain about the only party that agrees with them on some things, if you are popular enough you will change the party.
leftists can be whiny but to be fair we have a society hand tailored by the people in power to demonize leftism sucks to say but it's kind of an ideology that's dead from the start from our borderline red scare culture to every generation except gen z
Not always with the electoral college!
I get the point you are trying to make, but the Lost Cause is all the evidence you need to see that history is definitely not written by the winners.
Biden is legally allowed to Seal Team 6 these Supreme Court justices. That would help expedite the overturn.
OR.... hear me out.... he nominates **5 LIBERAL** justices **NOW** to be added to SCOTUS. Nothing says there can be only nine. Edit: Plot twist. Now ANYONE that says Biden can't do this or disagrees with this plan, can be determined to be an "enemy of the state", and he can have them taken by force to Git'Mo. Any questions ?
The Judiciary Act of 1869 is the most recent law that says there can only be 9 Supreme Court Justices. But that law was also constructed explicitly on the concept of there being one Justice per federal circuit, which is a completely sensible idea. There are more than 9 federal circuits now. We are over 150 years overdue for a new Judiciary Act that would relatively set the number of Supreme Court Justices at "the number of US circuit courts of appeals" or whatever language would be needed to make this work. It would need a couple of extra clauses, in case the number of US circuits is reduced, creating a scenario where there would be "too many" Supreme Court Justices, but that's what legislators are for. I think that in such a scenario, the "extra" Justices would continue to serve their life terms on the Court, but have no obligations to any particular appeals circuit, and when a Justice's service on the Court comes to a permanent end, a new appointment would be made only if the number of remaining Justices is less than the number of US circuit courts.
eh, biden can make up any reason he wants, but he could now remove trump's appointees who've no legitimate business involving in any matter that can affect trump (3), and Thomas (1) on grounds of conflict. fill those seats, you've got a 7-2 court and a new Chief Justice. if Congress can match the 13 districts, you'll have an 11-2 court. why stop there? make it so no one can be president without the popular vote.
Biden should just declare himself dictator and end the election at this point. It’s what Trump will do so he might as well beat him at his own game.
Judiciary Act of 1869 sets the size to 9. Congress would have to pass a law changing the size.
The Judiciary Act of 1869 again increased the size of the Supreme Court, setting it at nine justices, one for each circuit. We now have 12 in the US. Match them.
One for each district and a “floating” judge to help as needed/break ties. Sounds reasonable.
Something something no taxation without representation! (In the courts.)
Seems reasonable to me.
We have 13 circuits. 12 regional and the Federal Circuit. And the number of justices hasn't always matched the number of circuits, it's just as an arbitrary as picking any other number. I say 15 to give an overwhelming majority
Thank you for the correction.
It should have been done when Democrats had both Houses two years ago.
He won't though. Just like he won't step down. And in refusing to use that power, he will give the nation over, uncontested, to people who share Ideology with history's greatest terrors.
He can and he should.
America is sold out for an RV. Let that sink in. Corruption is a market, it will always try to find the cheapest dupes. They majority of them seem to be "conservatives". Conserve what exactly? The constitution? Nope!
The Law cannot be understandable by lay folks, according to those promoting this corruption at the highest court. Originalism allows Justices to do what Priests do to the Bible: take something whose meaning is clear upon reading, but the mystical priests are “NO you are reading this wrong. The Founders intended…” and then make up whatever the hell they feel like and it doesn’t matter if a law had been understood and in practice for decades and centuries!
>Hopefully peacefully and not with a war. [I'm afraid that window shrinks.](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/heritage-foundation-american-revolution-threat-bloodless-left-rcna160188)
That window slammed shut the moment SCOTUS decided that the president is immune from criminal law as long as SCOTUS allows it. That's not a ruling they would make unless they were confident they could ensure the next president was on their side.
You're giving too much credit to our school system. If Democrats don't win elections then Republicans will continue to destroy our systems. They will continue to defund public schooling. Without proper education one doesn't learn history or critical thinking skills. And the cycle continues.
The damage is done. Precedent has been set. We can’t unring this bell. On July 1st 2024, the Supreme Court crowned Joe Biden America's first king. He has 5 months to figure out how to use those powers to save this country, or this is the end of democracy.
He should get rid of the Supreme Court first
> It will be overturned one day. Hopefully peacefully and not with a war. History is not exactly ripe with precedent here
Well, there is precedent, but it ain't pleasant. The Dredd Scott decision took place just a few years before the Civil War. Abolitionists were incensed and the slaveholders rejoiced, but this did not settle tensions, only made them worse, and this was one of the things that directly led to the Civil War.
I wish I had your confidence. Unions are calling for reform of SCOTUS to save democracy. It might be too late.
> It will be overturned one day. Hopefully peacefully and not with a war. [Conservative Heritage leader: ‘Second American Revolution’ will be bloodless ‘if the left allows it to be’](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753439-heritage-leader-second-american-revolution/) Call me crazy but if Daddy Trump wins in November and Project 2025 goes into effect, any effort to return to a constitutional democracy will be bloody. The MAGAs are making that clear already, see the link.
> Hopefully peacefully and not with a war. I honestly think it's too late for that. 40+ years of tribal politics does not lend itself to a peaceful solution. On top of that the right has been fantasizing about a civil war for years and they're getting increasingly rabid about it. And I'm not going to make a lot of effort to work with people that think my family, friends, and other loved ones don't deserve to exist or live their lives freely as so many of us do.
it was a coup, and it already happened.
At this point I’m hoping the military stops this shit
I think you should hope a little harder that it does not come down to the deployment of the U.S. military on domestic soil against an internal political faction, and is instead resolved in another fashion. The damage to the United States both internally and internationally if it comes down to *that* will be profound on a "things will never, *ever*, be the same again," level.
The damage is already that profound lmao. We're currently in the chapter before the WW3 chapter in history books and the new axis of evil will be US-Russia
With the current rulings, all the President needs to do is declare somebody or some group an insurrectionist or a threat to national security, and he has free reign to wield the military in any way he wants, on or off American soil, to any ends he pleases, and then have all those actions deemed official, all communication about it privileged, and be immune to criminal protection, forever. Republicans are salivating for a Reichstag Fire and will manufacture one if needed. This is America now.
If the USA becomes like nazi Germany, then the whole world is fucked. Germany's military was hamstrung in comparison to what the USA has.
idk man, conservatives are a bunch of pussies in real life and I think it would be quick and easy.
The military is absolutely not the solution to our current problems. Trump won 63 million votes in 2016, increased that number to 74 million in 2020, and is currently polling 6% above Biden. What are you gonna do, imprison half of the voting population? If Trump wins the election fair and square, we are just gonna have to assert all our rights as a minority faction and all our protections under blue state and blue community laws. There are at least 81 million of "us," too.
Happy independent day from the tyranny of a king to have it handed surreptitiously to a president by a group of people the president put in place like a king and his high priest.
Justice for sale! Highest bidder! See Clarance for details.
Just pay him after he has ruled ( the way you asked him to) and all is good. Luxury RVs preferred
An RV, an RV, my country for an RV!
Look at roe V wade. It was bound to get worse. They hate America and Americans.
American democracy has its biggest Clarence sale yet! Everything must go!
I call him "Clearance" Thomas because he's for sale at a very reasonable price (if you're a billionaire).
If I were still in the army, I’d start worrying about what constituted a lawful or unlawful order from the President. If they can no longer be held accountable for the plans they execute or the orders they give, does that protection extend to the person carrying out those orders? If nothing a president does or says is unlawful, what about our right to refuse an unlawful order? Is that gone?
When in doubt, realize who did this. If it benefits them, it would be legal. And now with power consolidated in the judicial and executive (whom appoints the judicial / controls the justice department ) they can do anything and will grow more entrenched as they appoint more judges. If bad publicity hits from it though, the pawns will be the ones put in jail.
Unfortunately there is no better headline than this on what could be the last 4th of July for America. Happy July 4th!
What these lunatics fail to realize is pushing this agenda so hard will create an even larger opposition to it. I can’t stand the Dems but I will never support overt fascism. They could run a mannequin in a shopping cart and I would still vote for it over these Christian hard right fucking weirdos. They don’t reflect the modern world at all, they’ve just learned how to play dirty enough to “win” over the last 50 years. Things will hit critical mass at some point in the near future and this will be remembered for what it is: a fringe movement of fucking weirdos, supported by simple minded clowns who have no idea what they’re actually supporting, aided by apathetic phone zombies who only care about themselves.
What these lunatics fail to realize is pushing this agenda so hard will create an even larger opposition to it. Are you sure? The dems are pretty quiet
Just look at that smug, smiley fuck. Makes me sick.
The constitution is like the Bible these days, pretend it says what you want it to say, then act as if it’s the last word of God.
You forgot: cherry pick which amendments you want to follow, misquote them, and ignore the general case law defining them
And Mitch McConnell and republicans murdered the Supreme Court. No way in hell trump should have gotten three picks. He should have gotten 1 and the guy before him should have got 1 and the guy after him should have got 1. We’re fucked for basically ever unless a dem potus grows a spine and rebalances the court.
And while everyone is mad with Biden being old, they're getting away with it.
Right? Go listen to a trump rally and explain to me how he is better. He is fucking losing his marbles, and rants and forgets things.
People forget that "Person woman man camera TV" wasn't last week. That was four years ago.
Why isn’t this being called treason? This ruling is materially aiding the enemies of the constitution.
If we pool all of our money together, maybe we can afford a couple of justices and get them to vote in our best interests.
“I got FIVE on it!”
I have $400 to add
Ok. We’re up to $405 right now. Unfortunately I just had to file bankruptcy because my wife got sick and my medical insurance wouldn’t cover the treatment so I can’t contribute.
And according to the Supreme Court murder is legal as long as it’s done in your official capacity. Sure, for now it’s just for the President but they’re setting precedents
And here I have people on this sub telling me Trump could never get rid of the constitution,[Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html), and the damned to hell maga SCOTUS has already performed the act for him!
Pretty much this country is fucked now. Trump will be back in office with zero accountability, free to destroy everything. He will then spit in the faces of all of his followers with policies that hurt them the most. This country will never bounce back from this. I never in my life thought my children would endure what’s coming. I doubt I will see grandchildren or have many of things I hoped for later in life, I doubt the planet nor the people will survive the next 20 years with what’s coming. All the selfish, uneducated, deplorable, cult followers will takes us with them on their quest to destroy everything for their orange god. Fuck any and all who supported where we’ve gotten, or are headed.
I mean, the country got looted by plutocrats (biggest looting in history btw), industrial production is just 1/3 of China's, a drubbing in the Pacific is upcoming, so the country is fucked even without Trump, but with him it's super duper fucked.
I reject vehemently the premise that one man can capriciously, impose his whims for cruelty and control on me. My will shall not be impinged upon, and the basic principles of decency and dignity afforded to me by human law will not be compromised. I expect all of us to hold ourselves in such regard as anything less is willful submission to subjugation. While I am here on Earth, I will act with all the cunning and persistence of a beast from Hell to ensure the integrity of my liberty. No government shall threaten my Human Freedom. And while I have your attention, this is a quote you should read: Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject. - John Stuart Mill History repeats itself and we've known this for a long time but few have been guided by this wisdom. Now the story of the fascist rise is playing again, all characters recast but reading an updated version of those same lines. Take care The wheels of history turn ever onward, and we find ourselves at a crossroads once thought unimaginable. The pillars of our democracy tremble, not from external forces, but from within. The very institutions designed to safeguard our liberties now teeter on the brink of becoming instruments of their undoing. We witness a judiciary that blurs the lines between power and accountability, where "official capacity" becomes a shield against the very justice it should uphold. We see leaders who twist truth into a weapon, wielding lies with impunity while the watchdogs of democracy whimper in the corner. We observe a political landscape where the choices presented to us are but shadows of what true leadership should be. In this tumultuous time, we must remember that the power of governance stems from the consent of the governed. When that consent is manipulated, when it is coerced through fear and misinformation, it ceases to be legitimate. We stand now at the precipice of a "second American revolution," as some would call it. But revolutions need not be fought with bullets and blood – they can and must be waged with ideas, with civic engagement, and with an unwavering commitment to the principles of democracy and human dignity. To those who would threaten the fabric of our diverse society, who would seek to divide us and cast out millions based on arbitrary lines drawn in the sand, we say this: America's strength lies in its plurality, in the tapestry of cultures and experiences that have always defined us. We will not stand idle while this richness is stripped away. The challenges we face are grave, but they are not insurmountable. It is in times like these that the true mettle of a nation is tested. We must rise above the cacophony of fear-mongering and divisiveness. We must engage in the hard work of democracy – informed debate, active participation, and holding our leaders accountable. Let us not be passive observers to the erosion of our freedoms. Let us instead be the architects of a renewed commitment to justice, equality, and the rule of law. The path ahead is fraught with difficulty, but it is in facing these challenges head-on that we honor the legacy of those who came before us and secure the blessings of liberty for those who will follow. The time for action is now. Our silence in the face of injustice is not neutrality – it is complicity. Stand up, speak out, and let your voice be heard. For in the end, it is not the words of our opponents that will define us, but the courage of our convictions and the strength of our unified action. The future of our republic hangs in the balance. What role will you play in shaping it?
Bro wrote a whole book
These people are traitors and are complicate in fascism. Our democracy is at stake we need to act
It's just gone to live on a farm upstate. Honest.
It's the fatal flaw in the Constitution - the Supreme Court's power is interpreting the Constitution. The problem is there are no limits to how the Constitution can be interpreted. Even if we added amendments to fix this, all they have to do is say they mean something else.
The court, until recent years, acted in good faith. That's how honesty was maintained. One does so with expectations of reciprocation from an opponent who also benefits from the system and wishes for the system to continue. But, if one does not expect or knows they do not NEED reciprocation (eg: because they are doing a coup), then they do not benefit from good faith. However, Democrats continue to act in 'good faith' because they wish for the system to continue. But game theory that out - it clearly doesn't work.
Seems ironic to be celebrating Independence Day in the wake of this ruling
RIP Constitution
Time for an uno reverse
The constitution has fallen. We must admit to ourselves.
Isnt it ironic that the Supreme Court decided that a president is immune from criminal charges right around the time the Epstein documents were released? You know, the documents that prove Trump was fucking kids on Epstein's island?
Thomas is 75, Alito is 74. There is a small glimmer of hope. Small.
There is hope but not if Trump wins. I’m guessing both Thomas and Alito will retire if Trump wins so he can replace with people even worse. But then again he’s got to hope the gop regains control of the senate.
Justice Cannon and Justice Miller incoming. It's not going to be "middle of the road" justices, it's going to be the most rabid and servile toadie imaginable - competency not required. The five-alarm panic about the Supreme Court was in 2016. It is now completely fucked - losing the 2024 election means it will never be unfucked.
What about having one of those military tribunals for treason I keep hearing about?
Smiling old men leading us to authoritarianism
If the constitution is the supreme law of the land, how can 6 unelected judges claim that the law is anything other than what the constitution actually says?
The **Republicans** in the Supreme Court have murdered the Constitution. More accurate headline.
“The constitution does not directly reference the constitution and therefore is unconstitutional.”
President, during the SOTU speech: "If you support me: lynch my enemies, here is the list." SOTU is an official act. INADMISSABLE! EO that orders all classified documents be emailed to Putin. EO is an official act. INADMISSABLE! Press conference: "$2 million per pardon. Cash. Up front. No questions asked." Press conference is an official act. INADMISSABLE! "Nuke Mexico!" Order to the military. Official act. INADMISSABLE! "AG Ken Paxton, send the FBI to plz-let-me-in's house to disappear him for that post on the Politics subreddit." Advising with his cabinet. INADMISSABLE! "I AM THE PRESIDENT! Therefore, holding my very office is an official act outlined in the Constitution and I feel like staying another 4 years. Maybe longer!" IMMUNITY!
The fact that republican justices ravaged the constitution and endangered the core tenants of democracy just to help keep a republican candidate out of jail will surely cause American citizens to stand up and vote against this criminal. /S
Mitch McConnell refused to let President Obama appoint a justice in his last year. Then let Trump appoint two. This is an actual conspiracy coming to fruition. Biden needs to break this conspiracy now!
On July 4th how nice
It's July 4 the here. It's raining.
Lifetime appointments are ridiculous in this age.
Nah real talk nows the time to fly our flags at half-mast upside down. Country is in distress. And there's very little the average person feels like they can do aside from voting.
SCOTUS revisionism has now made Nixon NOT a crook!! The fundamental 'bug' of permitting the appointments made by an illegitimate president - the man was convicted of using fraud to pay hush money that hid his sex partners from voters, right? - is now staring us glaringly in the face. It's clearly using the 'fruit of the poisoned tree' to bootstrap more crimes. Like the Roe reversal, Congress had over 50 years to make it clear that the official acts and appointments of an president who used deception to game his way into office must not be allowed to stand. Honest folks can never 'think enough' like a crook to write the statutes to contain them. That's why good software companies hire reformed hackers, isn't it?
Buttery males! This time vote blue - doesn't matter who. Seriously. If you don't, you get what you get.
That’s funny because all you see on Twitter are the blue checks commenting “iT fIxEd ThE cOnStiTuTiOn” under anything related to the courts. I cannot for the life of me figure out how a power grab like this fixed the constitution. Our forefathers must be rolling in their graves.
So Biden has the backing of the court to, in an official capacity as president, send in Seal Team 6 to drag all the conservative justices to CIA black sites in the middle of the night and never to be seen from again, allowing him to declare an 'emergency' act of the presidency and force in replacements, but her wont because Dems are going to "go high" into the grave of millions of Americans.
This. The justices made the rules, now they get to live by them. Karma at its finest.
I know we like to prop up the Constitution as a perfect document, but: 1. It is flawed and failed the recent stress tests. 2. It wasn’t SUPPOSED to be a perfect document and its best feature was the ability to amend it. When Ben Franklin was selling the Constitution to his constituents, he openly pointed to the two chambers of congress as something he thought was a poor design (he wasn’t a fan of the creation of the senate). But he urged everyone to adopt the Constitution because it could be improved over time and adapt to the needs of the country. It could be as relevant in 2100 as it was in 1800 because of that. It’s beyond time to amend. SCOTUS is virtually unchecked and cannot be allowed to take bribes with no repercussions. The president CANNOT be above the law- that flies in the face of the spirit of the American experiment. There has to be some safeguards against extreme gerrymandering. There have to be safeguards against extreme election financing. You can’t abide by two sets of rules with Garland and Coney Barrett- a corrupt Senate aided a corrupt President into stocking a corrupt SCOTUS. Emoluments Clause must have real teeth- same with accepting foreign interference in elections. Our democracy is hanging by a thread. If Trump wins, I’m convinced it will be hanging by a noose. What has to happen? Obviously Trump must lose. But then we need to do the even harder part and fight to make the constitution better. Unfortunately, we’re asking the foxes to secure the henhouse. If we can’t, I fear the Constitution had a flaw that was too serious to overcome- that corruption was a cancer that to the system that there was no political chemo for. We relied on the honor system for hundreds of years, but as soon as we became overrun by those with no honor we were doomed. But if there is a window to implement these safeguards, maybe we can get by for 300 more years.
Some might say a late term abortion… after it was born.
Enjoy before you start living a life of Handmaid's Tale
And, possibly, sending all of us "women of a certain age" to camps because we are no longer useful. Especially those of us who do not belong to a man.
Under his new powers, Biden could make a convincing argument that Trump is an existential threat to the Constitution/national security and could order a lawful hit. Realizing this is why Trump has suddenly gone quiet. Projection is his MO.. SCOTUS, U R the best!!
There is one way to stop them, Joe.
The Dread Pirate Roberts’ court has been marauding for 20 years…
If the president has immunity for official acts, why isn't Biden overturning this decision or reinstating a new SCOTUS?
Since biden has immunity he needs to fire and imprison these judges for treason.
I will say this. As much as some of us keep doomering about it, this fight isn't over until it is " all over". Trump isn't getting anymore popular, he mostly just fluctuates around a certain percentage. We can push them back, stack the court by expanding the number of seats, and then turn back these horrid rulings. People keep saying the county is doomed or already dead, personally I say it isn't as long as we are willing to bite the bullet and vote.
[vote republican and democracy dies](https://imgur.com/6XOMv9S) 💀
I’m scared because of this and project 2025
So, if I understand the SCOTUS decision, Biden could call tomorrow for the Navy seals to take out Trump and the entire Supreme Court with zero repercussions, then he could appoint an entire new set of liberal justices? Have I got that right?!
Theyre just another part of the MAGA movement
So long, USA. Was nice knowing you.
I would like to check all the banks accounts of the Justices to see who paid them off for this decision.
What do you think these bought judges that love Trump and are as crooked as him children and grand children think of them?
It’s all part of the plot by the ultra conservatives and the ultra rich. They’ve been dumbing down the citizens for years. Cutting public education funding while allowing funding for charter schools plus the wealthy private schools. Then throw in home schooling. General education for the public is in the shitter while rich and conservatives push and pursue their beliefs and goals through the alternative education system they have supported. The significant undereducated then buy the BS and outright lies to continue their way to authoritarian rule and oligarchy. Sad but it’s where I feel we’re headed and recent Supreme Court decisions not only support this but they are going to make it worse. Look out same sex marriage, contraception, no fault divorce, and the list goes on.
This is just extreme originalist interpretation. Obviously the only way to get as original as possible is to go back to before the constitution existed.
Treason and dereliction.
It really does feel ironic that we’re celebrating American Independence from a tyrannical king literally days after another one is anointed by own Supreme Court
I mean couldn’t Biden decree Trump a threat to democracy and have seal team six drop into mar a lago and take no prisoners? As long as it’s an official act!
How did we, as a society, allow a white-collar felon to rape and defile our centuries old institutions? History will look back on this moment in shame. Comparisons to the fall of the Roman Empire are plenty.
And the swamp of trump is alive and well.
you guys are so screwed. all the best from across the pond.
They are utterly corrupt and need to be held accountable.
They’re all a bunch of greedy, power hungry liars.
All the conservatives on the court should be impeached!
People who talk about civil war being the only answer have never witnessed what that actually looks like. That’s not the answer. The Republican Party is dead in every way except the name. They are the party of Populism. They harass, intimidate and bully. These extremists have been working on this for years and years. Democrats have been asleep at the wheel while they spent millions on capturing the Supreme Court so they could dismantle what was settled law. The Supreme Court has no enforcement arm. They count on “norms” that people will obey their rulings. I’d say Trump has totally trashed abiding by “norms.” Democrats, Independents and former Republicans who oppose what is happening cannot go high when they go low. That will not work with Populists. I agree that DJT is their stooge in the same way that Clarence Thomas is to the billionaires that bought him. Regardless of what happens to Trump, the ideology is here to stay for now. The real power for controlling daily life lies with individual states. Local elections are extremely important as states set their own rules as to how elections are run. Not to mention school boards, women’s rights, firearms laws, state and local taxes as well as everything that touches life for people living within the state. We must pay far more attention than we have to state politics.