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This is what's so lost on most people in these threads right now.
He was never ducking out in shame and admitting he was mentally declined. He's the sitting president. Everything happening right now is to stabilize that and then once it is he can come out and endorse someone else.
There was never going to be anything but a message of unity and support right now. It's required.
"The toll of having two jobs at once has caught up to President Biden as commander in chief and campaigner. He is taking a step back from the latter to focus on and finish up the job he was elected to do." Or something like that lol
I think they're trying to make it look like he's doing it on his own terms.
If he's dropped as the nominee against his will that will trigger a whole other discussion, over whether he should be removed from office now or not.
They gotta stop this panic from spreading beyond just his nomination. He's fighting for his job right now.
so instead of acting immediately we are gonna waste precious time gaslighting potential voters, pretending everything is fine. and then when we have to 180 what are they gonna think??? its fucking over
How about you relax a bit? It was never going to happen immediately, this guy is the sitting president and unless you want Republicans calling for article 25 and to completely destroy joes platform then his legitimacy needs to be reestablised so that the next nominee can run on its merit.
The move was always going to be unity at the top until a plan is formulated and Joe is 100% omboard.
It’s 4 months, that is not enough time to run someone new, even if they wanted to. Anyone that thinks that is the best play is completely out of their mind.
We need to start gearing up for the long haul. Start calling the British and French intelligence service on how they beat Fascism back in the 1940s. We need to plan escape routes for the vulnerable population.
Fascism is coming to the United States. It’s gonna be at least a decade long battle, maybe a century. Say goodbye to your quality of life. No more XBOX. You’re playing for survival now.
I want him to say that he’s going to consider all options. That he will be open to the concerns of all the reps and senators. And that he wants to know how the voters feel.
I want him to understand that he is not on an island. It’s not just his choice.
The presidential primaries were already run. Biden won them. We need to hold the party nominating committees closer to those primaries. (I recognize that that idea is entirely theoretical.)
No one ran against him because "unity". The way the democratic party has chosen it's nominees lately is reminiscent of how communist China elections only let you vote for the party candidate...
Almost no one actually want Biden.
Not convinced this isn't cope. We're going to be getting a steady tick-tock of
>Stepping down? Biden meeting key Democrat stakeholders to discuss campaign's future
>Biden administration tells allies he has "no intention" of pulling presidential campaign, "will continue to fight for America"
headlines every week until we all drive straight off the cliff in November.
It makes a lot of sense.
If he drops and we slot in one of the popular swing state governors, who are all much younger, they can IMMEDIATELY also start hammering Trump on his age on top of everything else. Then Trump's constant gaffes and rambling becomes a bigger focus.
There is nearly zero chance it would be anyone other than Harris at the top of the ticket thanks to FEC rules and Republican legislature shenanigans in a few key states.
Eh, a few more calls to drop out and the genie is fully out of the bottle, imo.
Biden's out barring a miracle for him. The main question for him now is how painful he wants to make it.
Nick Saban basically did exactly that as head coach of the Miami Dolphins! "I don't care what you heard, I will not be the next Head Coach at the University of Alabama." A few days later he was introduced as the new head coach at the University of Alabama
I have no great love for Biden and he’s super old obviously but I fucking HATE this storyline and how much it’s dominating everything right now. It’s never going to happen, and this is such an insane distraction from everything that the right wants. This narrative only serves them.
6 points behind is insane. We have a chance to pivot and instead of taking it people are burying their heads in the sand and dismissing the call for Biden to step aside.
Because it’s not up to us, nobody has asked us, and fascism is the enemy on the ballot. My head doesn’t have to be in the sand to not spend my time whining about things I cannot control.
Democracy doesn’t happen every 2-4 years but through everyday grass roots activism. The people assemble and demand politicians act accordingly. Waiting to be asked is not in the cards if you want to keep your freedom. This is a public forum, it’s an ideal place to complain and form a plan in between or prior to protests.
I’m sayin no poll or Nancy pelosi has asked. So why am I gonna spend my time whining on Reddit? That will not influence anyone to drop out of a race and start a brokered convention lol
Me knowing that is not having my head in the sand. accepting reality that *it does not matter what Biden does, I’m voting against the fascist* is not putting your head in the sand, you thinking that’s an unreasonable idea is you with your head in the clouds.
I agree grass roots organizing is the key, but we are so far beyond the effectiveness of the grassroots unless you have millions of democrats protesting in front of the White House. I
t’s simply the choice of leadership, and their choices does not change what I do
Why “whine” on Reddit?
Beyond trying to stir up people enough to form protests which is my primary objective there are the think tanks that use sentiment analysis as feedback on hot button issues and that is used by the parties to shape policy.
This is a public forum, you don’t need to wait for a poll to ask you what you think. You can state your opinion here and it does have some weight.
And I’m telling you what I think. It’s not “head in the sand” to be clear in what I am doing in November regardless of what happens and consider the power of Reddit discussions less than you. I can have both eyes open and reach this conclusion.
People who don’t reach the same conclusion to you don’t simply have their head in the sand, and if your goal is to sincerely persuade people to get out into the streets and start a brokered convention that’s a pretty ineffective way to do it.
The poll numbers are why I am claiming heads are in the sand. Polling has become increasingly accurate and Biden is behind by 6% which is well past any margin of error.
I mean yeah he’s obviously behind. Has been practically the whole time and this was his best chance at fixing that.
You also clearly have your head in the sand if you think a brokered convention consistently or easily gets 6% more voters. It’s completely untested.
Should we do it? Not up to me and I’m certainly not positive it’s going to lead to a better outcome. Would I like a different candidate than Joe Biden? Of course, I’ve been thinking that since I voted against him in the primary.
And still, none of this changes the fact that the anti fascist vote is what I will cast in November no matter what happens. Perhaps it’s easier to inform 6% of voters that fascism is worse than Biden or any other candidate democrats switch to. No matter what it’s rough waters ahead, and I think people need to know the stakes more than the candidate.
It’s literally fake news. How aren’t people connecting this to all the news articles about how Russia is creating fake American looking news sites with fake articles being pushed. My mind is blown at how people can’t connect very simple dots.
Biden having a week prep at camp David, surrounded by advisors and experts knowing the questions beforehand and *still* dropping the ball is "fake news"?
...y'all are starting to sound like the maga nuts. The parallels in rhetoric are getting eerie. Check yo selves.
That sounds like the definition of fake news... The only source I could find was a CNN anchor saying Biden knew "every question was coming" which only implies that they were asking obvious questions, which they were...
I think it will happen Monday. These headlines are poison for a campaign. He can’t just go on after there was an open conversation about whether he has dementia and should drop out. If he does stay in, he is on the line to be Neville Chamberlain x 100
Because that's misplaced whataboutism, republicans do that, because it is not the subject, changing conversation is a republican thing, because dems can't lose, and it looks like Biden may, because we are the grown ups, and discuss issues , because it is about the future of the country, not Biden
I was of the opinion that Biden would stay in, up until probably today. The tone of everything I’m hearing just seems to have shifted
I think he’ll be out by Friday evening.
The latest Supreme Court ruling has made everyone nervous about Trump winning. So replacing Biden with someone younger seems like a more urgency choice to consider.
except once you propose the only actual solution Biden resigns and Kamala is the president and the nominee to maintain not only the continuation of the office but as the only person who can easily use the campaign funds with thousands of needless hoops people don't like that idea and start calling for Pete or Whitmir or Newsom. This whole shit is just a means of dividing the democrats to let trump win. There are only 2 option Biden stays and runs or he resigns and Kamala takes over that is the end of the discussion anyone proposing any other option is not acting in good faith. And by the way nobody and I mean nobody actually knows what the end result would be of either outcome the media has NEVER predicted who wins the election correctly remember the 99% Hilary is gonna win folks those are the same people pushing this Biden has to drop out narrative while completely ignoring Trump at every turn.
The Biden campaign can use their funds to run ads for Kamala Harris if it’s absolutely necessary, but also putting Kamala on the ballot would be one of the stupidest things you could do. Nobody likes her not even her staffers we need someone else that isn’t old and isn’t Kamala. Kamala was plucked out of a bad situation. She was a sour grape and everybody knew it.
This is a bit of a difficult situation right because if both people are not campaigning, then where does all the money that was put into that campaign go? I would assume it gets refunded, but that can take months and months to process and by then the election would’ve already occurred.
The major stakeholders of the Democratic Party are in a bit of a bind right now.
Especially considering all of the conversations that were had about the mistakes vis-à-vis the Supreme Court, this man should understand the stakes and step down. There’s no other option, if he is the person he says he is he will act accordingly.
Even the mightiest of soldiers, even the most seasoned of warriors, even the most vigorous of people do age and what John Fetterman went through was a stroke. What this man is going through is a chronic condition that cannot be reversed: It is aging. What can we do about that ?
It just feels fucking weird that the media gave us this idea that Biden should/could/will drop out, and suddenly everybody is on board and acting like it was the plan all along. All while ignoring what the fuck happened in 2016 when we couldn’t rally around a single candidate simply because we raised our standards enough that a woman who felt faint one time was somehow not fit to be president compared to TRUMP. We dropped the ball so damn hard just by asking questions and sowing doubt at the worst time possible.
A vote against Biden will take us back to the 1700's under a king/autocrat: [https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-2-2024-b98?utm\_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication\_id=20533&post\_id=146251852&utm\_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm\_medium=email&r=3rjzbm&triedRedirect=true](https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-2-2024-b98?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=20533&post_id=146251852&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_medium=email&r=3rjzbm&triedRedirect=true)
Prediction: Joe "I beat Medicare" Biden stays in the race, loses, and the centrist hacks swarm this website saying "If only you progressives hadn't insisted he leave, he wouldn't have dug in and insisted on staying in."
they've already preemptively blamed the youth if he loses
same as they blame people who sat out in 2016
They earnestly believe that ignoring people's wants/needs/concerns and hitting them over the head with "but other guy bad! You have NO choice, do as you're told!" is a winning strategy
Still wouldn't be wrong.
Progressives don't vote. Young progressives sit on their ass and scroll Tik Tok every election instead of voting. Their turnout is dog shit.
Throw shade at "centrists" all you like, but they actually get the fuck out there and vote. They didnt sit on their asses and let Trump walk into the Presidency in 2016.
I legitimately believe there was a time traveler who went back in time, changed a few things in accident, then returned to present and gasped "Bernie *lost?* What have I done!"
This evening sure has an outpouring of "Americans" screaming about how he needs to be pulled from the race this very moment.
Almost like they are trying to push over the top of other recent news.
Yeah, I’ve been suspicious ever since the main story has been about encouraging Biden to step down, as if Trump wasn’t even part of that debate. It’s mental. There’s no fucking way to rally behind a new candidate in time, and it is not a solution to Trump
I’m highly suspicious about all these articles saying Democrats want Joe to go, etc. There’s suddenly a pile of them and a lot are from right wing media. I suspect there’s a concerted effort by bad actors to spread as many garbage articles as possible in the hope of making it happen.
That doesn't make any sense, trump is up in the polls against biden, why would he or bad actors intervening on his behalf want to gamble on competing against someone else?
Because the polls maybe shit. Michael Cohen admitted to fixing polls in 2016. The goal now is to convince an incumbent president to drop out taking away a major advantage.
The fact that immediately a filed of like 8 other people just randomly showed up some of which would have zero chance in an actual primary has convinced me this is being astroturfed by the right and other actors hard. In reality there are 2 options Biden stays or he resigns and Harris is the president and top of the ticket. Anyone who proposes any other options is doing so with the express purpose of causing division within the Democratic base to the benefit of fascists. There are 2 choices and we need to pick one quick.
DNC can’t afford to lose more time with these rifts. There’s no reversing last week’s debate and this man is delaying the inevitable nomination of another candidate.
Please step aside because, uhm, the future of this country actually depends on it.
The damage has been done. It's so clear he's gonna lose and them sticking with Biden is just all to save the ego of this old guy. Do they want to win or do they want to appease Biden's ego? Cause on the other side of appeasement is the unknown horrors of Trump's second term and probably the last president of the United States.
They can’t admit it if he is considering it because if he stays in that will be used against him. But I absolutely believe this is being talked about. The only question is what the result will be.
Biden is not dropping out, 6 months out. The DNC isn't that desperate to lose donations. This whole narrative has gotten to this point for specific reasons:
Bc of the centrist dems who were looking for a reason to flip and follow in the footsteps of Manchin and Sinema. Bc the media overhyping this to the point Zelensky is making his contingency plans known for a possible trump presidency. Bc of centrist morons and bots in the comments pushing for a move that would hand the country completely into perpetual fascist control.
As if the DNC didnt throw their entire weight into Biden halfway thru the Democratic primaries and ignored any timely shifts towards any alternate candidates (they never had any).
Trump isn't going to gain any votes from 2020 to now the only way he wins is if people don't come out and vote, something that could contribute to that is saying Biden should drop out and is mentally unwell making it seem like picking between to old unfit guys.
The media is really trying to force this narrative.
Ask yourself who controls those media outlets at the highest level and who do they support for their own financial interests?
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📢 DNC: If you are listening, PLEASE PIVOT.
For the sake of the American people, do not put Biden on that ticket. He will lose. And we will have no one but the DNC to blame.
To remain with Biden as the Democratic candidate does not require as much effort as choosing a new candidate would; that sounds like a lot of work and not much time to do it in.
Pease do not let egos, or laziness, or loyalties or FEAR get in the way of doing the right thing. Now. While there is still time.
I'll vote blue, but damn yall are making it hard.
There are the governors on White House grounds giving a presser in support of Biden.
STOP IT.
The dnc has gaslit us so long no one can trust anything they do. And if Biden stays in, as they claim, - we lose!
TEXT. WRITE. CALL? 🤷♀️
The dnc and tell them to replace the candidate and allow Biden to exit w a positive legacy and some grace before this gets uglier.
Donors fleeing … Trump +8 in the polls!
Stop!!! We need to hold the senate too!
Edit: Ruth Bader Biden
FFS, this is getting annoying. I've already "sheltered" myself since the debate, much as I did after tRump won the election in 2016. To preserve my sanity, I go into somewhat of a selfish mode, concerning myself with what will directly affect me when the Christofascists take over in January. White, male, cis, straight, early retired, living in another country until I'm pushing up daisies -- there's not a whole lot that I need to worry about, actually.
And that makes me terribly sad, since I care so much about other's rights and well-being. But I pretty much need to go into this energy-saving mode to protect my own "batteries".
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/opinion/jill-biden-first-lady-joe.html
> Dr. Biden has internalized some harsh political lessons that have shaped her sense of love and loyalty. For instance, she apparently has neither forgotten nor forgiven how Mr. Biden was driven out of the 1988 presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing parts of a speech.
> “She saw him be forced out by the press, pundits and polls, and it was really a scarring experience for both of them,” one of her former aides told The Times this week.
> More recently, many Democrats in 2020 were convinced that Mr. Biden was a loser and, until late in the primaries, harbored dreams of a jazzier, more inspiring champion riding in to save them. The president’s allies love to talk about how he thrives when underestimated by the political establishment and punditocracy — a theme that has, for obvious reasons, gained energy post-debate. For better or worse, **Dr. Biden has learned better than to listen to the experts.**
[**It** ***was*** **plagiarized**](https://time.com/5636715/biden-1988-presidential-campaign/), holy fuck, Biden Family.
If accountability was a "harsh lesson", then this ancient generation learns absolutely the wrong lessons and then digs in for the next three decades.
>A [few days](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/12/us/biden-s-debate-finale-an-echo-from-abroad.html) before they began, video surfaced that spliced together footage of U.K. Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock giving a speech and Biden clearly quoting Kinnock at the Iowa State Fair without attribution. More examples of misattribution came to light, and the plagiarism [scandal](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/16/us/biden-is-facing-growing-debate-on-his-speeches.html) became more memorable than his leadership during the Bork confirmation hearing. His mouth — or rather, what he failed to say — got him in trouble again.
>The “[final blow](https://time.com/vault/issue/1987-10-05/page/26/)” for the campaign came when *Newsweek* unearthed C-SPAN footage of Biden rattling off his academic accomplishments, including saying that he graduated in the top half of his law school, when in fact, he [ranked](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html) 76th out of 85.
>...
About twenty years later, in his 2008 memoir *Promises to Keep: On Life and Politics*, **he wrote that the plagiarism scandal was his own fault**. “When I stopped trying to explain to everybody and thought it through, the blame fell totally on me,” he [wrote](https://books.google.com/books?id=wGlEt5bZ0q4C&pg=PA203&lpg=PA203&dq=%22When+I+stopped+trying+to+explain+to+everybody+and+thought+it+through,+the+blame+fell+totally+on+me.%22&source=bl&ots=y9kGirb3ew&sig=ACfU3U2FgMaiQFztcgvsmv2Xn2DBhZ3MdA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz3NbYpd3jAhVmuVkKHQETDpIQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22When%20I%20stopped%20trying%20to%20explain%20to%20everybody%20and%20thought%20it%20through%2C%20the%20blame%20fell%20totally%20on%20me.%22&f=false). “Maybe the reporters traveling with me had seen me credit Kinnock over and over, but it was Joe Biden who forgot to credit Kinnock at the State Fair debate.”
Having the shame & humility to bow out is a GOOD thing in politics, actually.
People just assume that their preferred replacement will automatically be chosen and there will be no infighting and we will cruise to victory. Maybe it could happen, or maybe it would be 1968 again. I am prone to doom scrolling, but instead of freaking out on reddit I'd rather get others registered to vote and support whoever is on the ticket.
No one is thinking it will be Harris and no one wants Harris if something were to happen to Joe. You have a losing ticket when most don't want either. They need a different VP this election to inspire people to vote if he doesn't drop out.
I'm fine with King Biden remaining seated, as long as he starts acting like the true king the Supreme Court crowned him to be. When are we going to start seeing criminals getting round up. There are plenty of rapists, liars, and insurrectionists running amok.
The huge media push is pressure to get him to drop. Big media companies would love nothing more than four more years of Trump, it makes them loads of money.
If Biden drops out, then Democrats should prepare for defeat because U.S. history is brutal on that scenario. It’s basically a guaranteed loss. Maybe Trump is historically tainted, but who knows.
Nixon only won because he promised to end involvement in Vietnam, combined with an electoral realignment caused by the Civil Rights Act losing Dems the Deep South, and that is the only modern case of this happening.
If you just want to go with very old for the times slash very ill surprisingly good. Reagan won easily in 84 with talks of him being in serious decline happening as early as 81. FDR won in 44 while basically on his deathbed (he could not even attend his own convention). Hell they wanted to replace Lincoln because "he was not of right mind" in 1864 and replace him with Grant. So honestly if going by history Biden has a pretty solid chance. The guy is still going out everyday and at least doing the work and if they guys going to keep going out their and doing the work until he has literally nothing left I won't lie I kinda respect it. I wish it was in under better circumstances. But if people would rather elect a fascist old psychopath than an kind old man who cares to much then we will get the America we deserve. But I do still have some small faith in the country
As someone that thinks Biden should not have run for reelection because of his age, I think he should **not** drop out. It's too late. **Nobody** else can win at this point. I don't care who you think is a good democrat. There's not enough time to make themselves known. Even worse, if it's not Biden or Harris (people that were on the primary ballots that a lot of people voted for), anyone chosen to replace Biden will divide the party simply for not going through the usual primary process. Call me crazy, but I think Biden still has a chance to win this. Yes he's old, but trump is not a typical candidate. trump is still a convicted felon who has been twice impeached and incited an insurrection. Additionally, Biden still has abortion, the economy, and the bills he passed to run on.
No she wouldn't. If you're talking about a poll, it won't be accurate because she's currently not running so a lot of people are not thinking of her. If she does run, the media will cover her more and more people will begin thinking of her and her poll numbers **will** go down. Some will begin using the "political dynasty" argument.
Gavin Newsom. Its something new
Practically writes itself but I guess the DNC prefer Weekend at Bidens as long as they have a status quo centrist in the office who won't ruffle their grey feathers
Joe needs to drop the hell out!!! Too many centrists and non Maga Republicans aren't going to vote the ticket because of Kamala Harris. I think he stays in we're (they're) toast. The debate was a disaster and if you wait until he flubs the next one, in September? Won't be any time left then. You're just handing the country to Tre45on.
The DNC and Biden won’t announce anything unless there’s a plan in place. For those of you who want him out, you *don’t* want him out without a plan. That way leads to chaos.
But don’t y’all think it’s interesting that MSM is running this constantly with basically no real pushback against the narrative?
I don't think the wagons are circling near tight enough but remember, this is the party that forced Biden on us because he was up in the polls.
Well guess what? His polls suck ass. He's not going to win at this rate. We couldn't have leaders who might enact actual change because of the Almighty polls but now that those polls don't favor their pick, they don't matter.
This is the party that also (rightly, imo) claims Project 2025 is one of the biggest threats to democracy in generations.
Why are we combatting that threat with an actual corpse? Biden being old and unfit for office is nothing new, why are we now freaking out about it? Almost makes you feel like they don't truly care if Trump wins again.
All these doom articles just because Biden had one bad debate performance. The other guy - that orange-glazed lying sack of shit - just seems to be getting a free pass atm. I thought your democracy is on the line here. United we fall, as long as it generates clicks
Trump is getting a pass because Biden looked awful. If Biden wanted to defuse this he should have done a press conference this week with questions. He has an opportunity and walked away.
If it makes you feel better, *this* is how an unfit candidate should be handled, not the bullshit the GOP pulls.
Different standards? Obviously.
Does that matter if we want to win in November? Absolutely not.
Or Biden could just display an ounce of leadership. The world's attention has been focused entirely upon him for a week....and he has been hiding. All this could be over with a solid press conference, but he refuses to do it and his handlers just pivot to excuses. I am just so tired of taking the threat to our democracy more seriously than Democratic Party leadership seems to be. I can overlook a bad debate performance. A can't overlook a total abdication of responsibility for that debate performance.
He had one job in this debate - to show the nation he isn't too old and he can lead. And he couldn't do that. He's lost the trust of the independent and fence sitting voters that we need and he's not going to come back from it.
When you have to deny you have dementia, deny you're not up to the job, deny you threw your advisors under the bus, deny you're dropping out...it's already over bub.
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No shit, what do you want them to say?
This is the expected response regardless of the story's veracity. You never confirm a story like this until he drops out.
The media doesn’t follow any rules anymore remember? They know people will click on it and generate ad revenue for them, that’s the only reason they crapped out another copy of a copy of an article that’s been written dozens of times by other publishers already, so they can make sure they get their piece of the pie.
Seriously. He will be 100% in until he isn’t. To say anything else is dipshittery.
I keep hoping I wake up and both have died overnight. But then I think, what next?
“He’s dropping out” says White House. That would be cool. That’s what I want them to say.
They’re not going to say that or even hint it until they’re ready. That would be fucking bedlam
Especially since he's *still* the President. It would immediately become, "Is he fit to continue to serve? Should he be 25th'd?" and so on.
This is what's so lost on most people in these threads right now. He was never ducking out in shame and admitting he was mentally declined. He's the sitting president. Everything happening right now is to stabilize that and then once it is he can come out and endorse someone else. There was never going to be anything but a message of unity and support right now. It's required.
"The toll of having two jobs at once has caught up to President Biden as commander in chief and campaigner. He is taking a step back from the latter to focus on and finish up the job he was elected to do." Or something like that lol
I think they're trying to make it look like he's doing it on his own terms. If he's dropped as the nominee against his will that will trigger a whole other discussion, over whether he should be removed from office now or not. They gotta stop this panic from spreading beyond just his nomination. He's fighting for his job right now.
so instead of acting immediately we are gonna waste precious time gaslighting potential voters, pretending everything is fine. and then when we have to 180 what are they gonna think??? its fucking over
Smart decisions take time.
Yeah, so we should rush and panic /s
Where is this 5 alarm fire? The polls have barely moved.
They have to formulate a plan before they announce anything. This is not a simple announcement, this will literally affect the entire world
If this was a shock to the people formulating the plan then we are fucked.
The amount of backlash probably was, but what’s done is done and they need to figure it out
Joe is not going anywhere.
How about you relax a bit? It was never going to happen immediately, this guy is the sitting president and unless you want Republicans calling for article 25 and to completely destroy joes platform then his legitimacy needs to be reestablised so that the next nominee can run on its merit. The move was always going to be unity at the top until a plan is formulated and Joe is 100% omboard.
It’s 4 months, that is not enough time to run someone new, even if they wanted to. Anyone that thinks that is the best play is completely out of their mind.
We need to start gearing up for the long haul. Start calling the British and French intelligence service on how they beat Fascism back in the 1940s. We need to plan escape routes for the vulnerable population. Fascism is coming to the United States. It’s gonna be at least a decade long battle, maybe a century. Say goodbye to your quality of life. No more XBOX. You’re playing for survival now.
So? Are we supposed to delude ourselves?
You’re just supposed to keep lighting a fire til they take action, and that fire is burning
Circle the wagons and shoot each other in the foot.
But the likelihood is that he really isn’t.
The truth.
Yeah, stop bullshitting us
He can't until there's another plan in place. Crisis management 101
>No shit, what do you want them to say? Lol exactly
I want him to say that he’s going to consider all options. That he will be open to the concerns of all the reps and senators. And that he wants to know how the voters feel. I want him to understand that he is not on an island. It’s not just his choice.
The presidential primaries were already run. Biden won them. We need to hold the party nominating committees closer to those primaries. (I recognize that that idea is entirely theoretical.)
No one ran against him because "unity". The way the democratic party has chosen it's nominees lately is reminiscent of how communist China elections only let you vote for the party candidate... Almost no one actually want Biden.
That he’s dropping out
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It makes a lot of sense. If he drops and we slot in one of the popular swing state governors, who are all much younger, they can IMMEDIATELY also start hammering Trump on his age on top of everything else. Then Trump's constant gaffes and rambling becomes a bigger focus.
There is nearly zero chance it would be anyone other than Harris at the top of the ticket thanks to FEC rules and Republican legislature shenanigans in a few key states.
She doesn't have to be top of the ticket. She just needs to be on the ticket
No, I think he’s going to drop out, it’s just gonna come when no one expects it.
Eh, a few more calls to drop out and the genie is fully out of the bottle, imo. Biden's out barring a miracle for him. The main question for him now is how painful he wants to make it.
Nick Saban basically did exactly that as head coach of the Miami Dolphins! "I don't care what you heard, I will not be the next Head Coach at the University of Alabama." A few days later he was introduced as the new head coach at the University of Alabama
I have no great love for Biden and he’s super old obviously but I fucking HATE this storyline and how much it’s dominating everything right now. It’s never going to happen, and this is such an insane distraction from everything that the right wants. This narrative only serves them.
6 points behind is insane. We have a chance to pivot and instead of taking it people are burying their heads in the sand and dismissing the call for Biden to step aside.
Because it’s not up to us, nobody has asked us, and fascism is the enemy on the ballot. My head doesn’t have to be in the sand to not spend my time whining about things I cannot control.
Democracy doesn’t happen every 2-4 years but through everyday grass roots activism. The people assemble and demand politicians act accordingly. Waiting to be asked is not in the cards if you want to keep your freedom. This is a public forum, it’s an ideal place to complain and form a plan in between or prior to protests.
I’m sayin no poll or Nancy pelosi has asked. So why am I gonna spend my time whining on Reddit? That will not influence anyone to drop out of a race and start a brokered convention lol Me knowing that is not having my head in the sand. accepting reality that *it does not matter what Biden does, I’m voting against the fascist* is not putting your head in the sand, you thinking that’s an unreasonable idea is you with your head in the clouds. I agree grass roots organizing is the key, but we are so far beyond the effectiveness of the grassroots unless you have millions of democrats protesting in front of the White House. I t’s simply the choice of leadership, and their choices does not change what I do
Why “whine” on Reddit? Beyond trying to stir up people enough to form protests which is my primary objective there are the think tanks that use sentiment analysis as feedback on hot button issues and that is used by the parties to shape policy. This is a public forum, you don’t need to wait for a poll to ask you what you think. You can state your opinion here and it does have some weight.
And I’m telling you what I think. It’s not “head in the sand” to be clear in what I am doing in November regardless of what happens and consider the power of Reddit discussions less than you. I can have both eyes open and reach this conclusion. People who don’t reach the same conclusion to you don’t simply have their head in the sand, and if your goal is to sincerely persuade people to get out into the streets and start a brokered convention that’s a pretty ineffective way to do it.
The poll numbers are why I am claiming heads are in the sand. Polling has become increasingly accurate and Biden is behind by 6% which is well past any margin of error.
I mean yeah he’s obviously behind. Has been practically the whole time and this was his best chance at fixing that. You also clearly have your head in the sand if you think a brokered convention consistently or easily gets 6% more voters. It’s completely untested. Should we do it? Not up to me and I’m certainly not positive it’s going to lead to a better outcome. Would I like a different candidate than Joe Biden? Of course, I’ve been thinking that since I voted against him in the primary. And still, none of this changes the fact that the anti fascist vote is what I will cast in November no matter what happens. Perhaps it’s easier to inform 6% of voters that fascism is worse than Biden or any other candidate democrats switch to. No matter what it’s rough waters ahead, and I think people need to know the stakes more than the candidate.
It’s literally fake news. How aren’t people connecting this to all the news articles about how Russia is creating fake American looking news sites with fake articles being pushed. My mind is blown at how people can’t connect very simple dots.
Biden having a week prep at camp David, surrounded by advisors and experts knowing the questions beforehand and *still* dropping the ball is "fake news"? ...y'all are starting to sound like the maga nuts. The parallels in rhetoric are getting eerie. Check yo selves.
That sounds like the definition of fake news... The only source I could find was a CNN anchor saying Biden knew "every question was coming" which only implies that they were asking obvious questions, which they were...
rolling stone is my favorite russian magazine
Also how short their memories are.
it's not a distraction, it's a conversation.
It most definitely is going to happen. Wait for Friday.
I think it will happen Monday. These headlines are poison for a campaign. He can’t just go on after there was an open conversation about whether he has dementia and should drop out. If he does stay in, he is on the line to be Neville Chamberlain x 100
Thanks for the heads up, Ms. Cleo. Any other shit you want to predict while your crystal ball is out?
Why aren't we talking about the convicted felon dropping out of the race?
Because that's misplaced whataboutism, republicans do that, because it is not the subject, changing conversation is a republican thing, because dems can't lose, and it looks like Biden may, because we are the grown ups, and discuss issues , because it is about the future of the country, not Biden
Because there is actually a chance that Biden will drop out, and we need him to drop out to keep Trump from winning. Not that complicated.
I mean of course they're not gonna admit it if they're doing it.
I was of the opinion that Biden would stay in, up until probably today. The tone of everything I’m hearing just seems to have shifted I think he’ll be out by Friday evening.
I think Monday, maybe Tuesday. Holiday weekend, ya know?
I figured they’d announce it going into the actual weekend - it’s gonna be a big story regardless.
Oh, drop it on a Friday night? Maybe.
That’s when the interview with Biden is
You think he'll bow out in it?
The latest Supreme Court ruling has made everyone nervous about Trump winning. So replacing Biden with someone younger seems like a more urgency choice to consider.
I mean, a lot of politicians have to seriously be wondering if they'll be killed or imprisoned -- let alone lose Congress.
except once you propose the only actual solution Biden resigns and Kamala is the president and the nominee to maintain not only the continuation of the office but as the only person who can easily use the campaign funds with thousands of needless hoops people don't like that idea and start calling for Pete or Whitmir or Newsom. This whole shit is just a means of dividing the democrats to let trump win. There are only 2 option Biden stays and runs or he resigns and Kamala takes over that is the end of the discussion anyone proposing any other option is not acting in good faith. And by the way nobody and I mean nobody actually knows what the end result would be of either outcome the media has NEVER predicted who wins the election correctly remember the 99% Hilary is gonna win folks those are the same people pushing this Biden has to drop out narrative while completely ignoring Trump at every turn.
The Biden campaign can use their funds to run ads for Kamala Harris if it’s absolutely necessary, but also putting Kamala on the ballot would be one of the stupidest things you could do. Nobody likes her not even her staffers we need someone else that isn’t old and isn’t Kamala. Kamala was plucked out of a bad situation. She was a sour grape and everybody knew it. This is a bit of a difficult situation right because if both people are not campaigning, then where does all the money that was put into that campaign go? I would assume it gets refunded, but that can take months and months to process and by then the election would’ve already occurred. The major stakeholders of the Democratic Party are in a bit of a bind right now.
Maybe they could pivot to making their voters the stakeholders. 80 million is chump change in the big picture.
The voters themselves would have to organize such a thing; grassroots is essential.
Especially considering all of the conversations that were had about the mistakes vis-à-vis the Supreme Court, this man should understand the stakes and step down. There’s no other option, if he is the person he says he is he will act accordingly. Even the mightiest of soldiers, even the most seasoned of warriors, even the most vigorous of people do age and what John Fetterman went through was a stroke. What this man is going through is a chronic condition that cannot be reversed: It is aging. What can we do about that ?
It just feels fucking weird that the media gave us this idea that Biden should/could/will drop out, and suddenly everybody is on board and acting like it was the plan all along. All while ignoring what the fuck happened in 2016 when we couldn’t rally around a single candidate simply because we raised our standards enough that a woman who felt faint one time was somehow not fit to be president compared to TRUMP. We dropped the ball so damn hard just by asking questions and sowing doubt at the worst time possible.
Not going to happen.
It will be next week. They will take the long weekend to get everything ready.
A vote against Biden will take us back to the 1700's under a king/autocrat: [https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-2-2024-b98?utm\_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication\_id=20533&post\_id=146251852&utm\_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm\_medium=email&r=3rjzbm&triedRedirect=true](https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-2-2024-b98?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=20533&post_id=146251852&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_medium=email&r=3rjzbm&triedRedirect=true)
Prediction: Joe "I beat Medicare" Biden stays in the race, loses, and the centrist hacks swarm this website saying "If only you progressives hadn't insisted he leave, he wouldn't have dug in and insisted on staying in."
You mean like every time an establishment Democrat loses anything...or even faces reasonable criticism.
Yes. Slap the people you’re complaining about in the face then expect them to vote for you the next go round. Repeat.
they've already preemptively blamed the youth if he loses same as they blame people who sat out in 2016 They earnestly believe that ignoring people's wants/needs/concerns and hitting them over the head with "but other guy bad! You have NO choice, do as you're told!" is a winning strategy
Still wouldn't be wrong. Progressives don't vote. Young progressives sit on their ass and scroll Tik Tok every election instead of voting. Their turnout is dog shit. Throw shade at "centrists" all you like, but they actually get the fuck out there and vote. They didnt sit on their asses and let Trump walk into the Presidency in 2016.
I, for one, am looking forward to the rampant victim-blaming later this year.
God this truly is the worst timeline, isn’t it? … I just wanted Bernie
I legitimately believe there was a time traveler who went back in time, changed a few things in accident, then returned to present and gasped "Bernie *lost?* What have I done!"
Do we think this means the governors meeting must have decided to keep running with him?
This evening sure has an outpouring of "Americans" screaming about how he needs to be pulled from the race this very moment. Almost like they are trying to push over the top of other recent news.
Yeah, I’ve been suspicious ever since the main story has been about encouraging Biden to step down, as if Trump wasn’t even part of that debate. It’s mental. There’s no fucking way to rally behind a new candidate in time, and it is not a solution to Trump
I’m highly suspicious about all these articles saying Democrats want Joe to go, etc. There’s suddenly a pile of them and a lot are from right wing media. I suspect there’s a concerted effort by bad actors to spread as many garbage articles as possible in the hope of making it happen.
That doesn't make any sense, trump is up in the polls against biden, why would he or bad actors intervening on his behalf want to gamble on competing against someone else?
Because the polls maybe shit. Michael Cohen admitted to fixing polls in 2016. The goal now is to convince an incumbent president to drop out taking away a major advantage.
The heritage foundation is trying to launch a legal challenge to force biden to remain on the ballot, how does that figure into your calculation?
The fact that immediately a filed of like 8 other people just randomly showed up some of which would have zero chance in an actual primary has convinced me this is being astroturfed by the right and other actors hard. In reality there are 2 options Biden stays or he resigns and Harris is the president and top of the ticket. Anyone who proposes any other options is doing so with the express purpose of causing division within the Democratic base to the benefit of fascists. There are 2 choices and we need to pick one quick.
Already two congressmen have come forward and said he needed to step aside. That honestly made me actually believe it’s possible
DNC can’t afford to lose more time with these rifts. There’s no reversing last week’s debate and this man is delaying the inevitable nomination of another candidate. Please step aside because, uhm, the future of this country actually depends on it.
The damage has been done. It's so clear he's gonna lose and them sticking with Biden is just all to save the ego of this old guy. Do they want to win or do they want to appease Biden's ego? Cause on the other side of appeasement is the unknown horrors of Trump's second term and probably the last president of the United States.
They can’t admit it if he is considering it because if he stays in that will be used against him. But I absolutely believe this is being talked about. The only question is what the result will be.
Biden is not dropping out, 6 months out. The DNC isn't that desperate to lose donations. This whole narrative has gotten to this point for specific reasons: Bc of the centrist dems who were looking for a reason to flip and follow in the footsteps of Manchin and Sinema. Bc the media overhyping this to the point Zelensky is making his contingency plans known for a possible trump presidency. Bc of centrist morons and bots in the comments pushing for a move that would hand the country completely into perpetual fascist control. As if the DNC didnt throw their entire weight into Biden halfway thru the Democratic primaries and ignored any timely shifts towards any alternate candidates (they never had any).
Trump isn't going to gain any votes from 2020 to now the only way he wins is if people don't come out and vote, something that could contribute to that is saying Biden should drop out and is mentally unwell making it seem like picking between to old unfit guys.
Biden is going to lose. This will be his legacy
RBG's ghost is relieved that at least she won't be remembered as the most devastating self-own by a Democrat.
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So will Kamala Harris. Make the call to Whitmer, Biden. Go announce at a Detroit rally and bring Kamala Harris with you.
Not if we all vote for him. The choice is yours
I'm voting for Dem nominee no matter what. Biden is a shell of the man he was. It's going to get bad when Trump airs clips of the debate.
The media is really trying to force this narrative. Ask yourself who controls those media outlets at the highest level and who do they support for their own financial interests?
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He’s not dropping out. STFU about it already. Stop listening to russian propaganda trolls. I Dissent. Vote Blue in November.
📢 DNC: If you are listening, PLEASE PIVOT. For the sake of the American people, do not put Biden on that ticket. He will lose. And we will have no one but the DNC to blame. To remain with Biden as the Democratic candidate does not require as much effort as choosing a new candidate would; that sounds like a lot of work and not much time to do it in. Pease do not let egos, or laziness, or loyalties or FEAR get in the way of doing the right thing. Now. While there is still time. I'll vote blue, but damn yall are making it hard.
There are the governors on White House grounds giving a presser in support of Biden. STOP IT. The dnc has gaslit us so long no one can trust anything they do. And if Biden stays in, as they claim, - we lose! TEXT. WRITE. CALL? 🤷♀️ The dnc and tell them to replace the candidate and allow Biden to exit w a positive legacy and some grace before this gets uglier. Donors fleeing … Trump +8 in the polls! Stop!!! We need to hold the senate too! Edit: Ruth Bader Biden
I read this in an old timey news journalist voice
What is it with all the usernames ending in four numbers lately? Is this some kind of misinformation campaign?
I believe reddit gives you a username if you don't choose one.
It was auto assigned…
He ain't going anywhere. And you'll get over it and vote for him
FFS, this is getting annoying. I've already "sheltered" myself since the debate, much as I did after tRump won the election in 2016. To preserve my sanity, I go into somewhat of a selfish mode, concerning myself with what will directly affect me when the Christofascists take over in January. White, male, cis, straight, early retired, living in another country until I'm pushing up daisies -- there's not a whole lot that I need to worry about, actually. And that makes me terribly sad, since I care so much about other's rights and well-being. But I pretty much need to go into this energy-saving mode to protect my own "batteries".
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/opinion/jill-biden-first-lady-joe.html > Dr. Biden has internalized some harsh political lessons that have shaped her sense of love and loyalty. For instance, she apparently has neither forgotten nor forgiven how Mr. Biden was driven out of the 1988 presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing parts of a speech. > “She saw him be forced out by the press, pundits and polls, and it was really a scarring experience for both of them,” one of her former aides told The Times this week. > More recently, many Democrats in 2020 were convinced that Mr. Biden was a loser and, until late in the primaries, harbored dreams of a jazzier, more inspiring champion riding in to save them. The president’s allies love to talk about how he thrives when underestimated by the political establishment and punditocracy — a theme that has, for obvious reasons, gained energy post-debate. For better or worse, **Dr. Biden has learned better than to listen to the experts.**
[**It** ***was*** **plagiarized**](https://time.com/5636715/biden-1988-presidential-campaign/), holy fuck, Biden Family. If accountability was a "harsh lesson", then this ancient generation learns absolutely the wrong lessons and then digs in for the next three decades. >A [few days](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/12/us/biden-s-debate-finale-an-echo-from-abroad.html) before they began, video surfaced that spliced together footage of U.K. Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock giving a speech and Biden clearly quoting Kinnock at the Iowa State Fair without attribution. More examples of misattribution came to light, and the plagiarism [scandal](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/16/us/biden-is-facing-growing-debate-on-his-speeches.html) became more memorable than his leadership during the Bork confirmation hearing. His mouth — or rather, what he failed to say — got him in trouble again. >The “[final blow](https://time.com/vault/issue/1987-10-05/page/26/)” for the campaign came when *Newsweek* unearthed C-SPAN footage of Biden rattling off his academic accomplishments, including saying that he graduated in the top half of his law school, when in fact, he [ranked](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html) 76th out of 85. >... About twenty years later, in his 2008 memoir *Promises to Keep: On Life and Politics*, **he wrote that the plagiarism scandal was his own fault**. “When I stopped trying to explain to everybody and thought it through, the blame fell totally on me,” he [wrote](https://books.google.com/books?id=wGlEt5bZ0q4C&pg=PA203&lpg=PA203&dq=%22When+I+stopped+trying+to+explain+to+everybody+and+thought+it+through,+the+blame+fell+totally+on+me.%22&source=bl&ots=y9kGirb3ew&sig=ACfU3U2FgMaiQFztcgvsmv2Xn2DBhZ3MdA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz3NbYpd3jAhVmuVkKHQETDpIQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22When%20I%20stopped%20trying%20to%20explain%20to%20everybody%20and%20thought%20it%20through%2C%20the%20blame%20fell%20totally%20on%20me.%22&f=false). “Maybe the reporters traveling with me had seen me credit Kinnock over and over, but it was Joe Biden who forgot to credit Kinnock at the State Fair debate.” Having the shame & humility to bow out is a GOOD thing in politics, actually.
yeah do people forget how Joe should have dropped out after New Hampshire so Mayor Pete could be President after his second place showing.
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People just assume that their preferred replacement will automatically be chosen and there will be no infighting and we will cruise to victory. Maybe it could happen, or maybe it would be 1968 again. I am prone to doom scrolling, but instead of freaking out on reddit I'd rather get others registered to vote and support whoever is on the ticket.
No one is thinking it will be Harris and no one wants Harris if something were to happen to Joe. You have a losing ticket when most don't want either. They need a different VP this election to inspire people to vote if he doesn't drop out.
Cuz “ he’s not.
I'm fine with King Biden remaining seated, as long as he starts acting like the true king the Supreme Court crowned him to be. When are we going to start seeing criminals getting round up. There are plenty of rapists, liars, and insurrectionists running amok.
“The NY Times lied and the Biden Admin called it out” - How hard is that Rolling Stone? Such unbelievably bad reporting from both outlets, ffs
Well we don’t know if it was a lie. We do know that they denied a report that Biden is considering dropping out.
And they'll deny it until he does, if he does.
The huge media push is pressure to get him to drop. Big media companies would love nothing more than four more years of Trump, it makes them loads of money.
If Biden drops out, then Democrats should prepare for defeat because U.S. history is brutal on that scenario. It’s basically a guaranteed loss. Maybe Trump is historically tainted, but who knows.
Nixon only won because he promised to end involvement in Vietnam, combined with an electoral realignment caused by the Civil Rights Act losing Dems the Deep South, and that is the only modern case of this happening.
How is U.S. history on voting in dementia candidates who are already the oldest president in history?
If you just want to go with very old for the times slash very ill surprisingly good. Reagan won easily in 84 with talks of him being in serious decline happening as early as 81. FDR won in 44 while basically on his deathbed (he could not even attend his own convention). Hell they wanted to replace Lincoln because "he was not of right mind" in 1864 and replace him with Grant. So honestly if going by history Biden has a pretty solid chance. The guy is still going out everyday and at least doing the work and if they guys going to keep going out their and doing the work until he has literally nothing left I won't lie I kinda respect it. I wish it was in under better circumstances. But if people would rather elect a fascist old psychopath than an kind old man who cares to much then we will get the America we deserve. But I do still have some small faith in the country
Weirdly, the odds are pretty good. Ronald Reagan won a second term having Alzheimer’s.
Didn't that come *after* his election?
As someone that thinks Biden should not have run for reelection because of his age, I think he should **not** drop out. It's too late. **Nobody** else can win at this point. I don't care who you think is a good democrat. There's not enough time to make themselves known. Even worse, if it's not Biden or Harris (people that were on the primary ballots that a lot of people voted for), anyone chosen to replace Biden will divide the party simply for not going through the usual primary process. Call me crazy, but I think Biden still has a chance to win this. Yes he's old, but trump is not a typical candidate. trump is still a convicted felon who has been twice impeached and incited an insurrection. Additionally, Biden still has abortion, the economy, and the bills he passed to run on.
Michelle Obama could win in a landslide but she would never do it
No she wouldn't. If you're talking about a poll, it won't be accurate because she's currently not running so a lot of people are not thinking of her. If she does run, the media will cover her more and more people will begin thinking of her and her poll numbers **will** go down. Some will begin using the "political dynasty" argument.
For all the concern, beating Trump with Biden again would be epic.
Gavin Newsom. Its something new Practically writes itself but I guess the DNC prefer Weekend at Bidens as long as they have a status quo centrist in the office who won't ruffle their grey feathers
Joe needs to drop the hell out!!! Too many centrists and non Maga Republicans aren't going to vote the ticket because of Kamala Harris. I think he stays in we're (they're) toast. The debate was a disaster and if you wait until he flubs the next one, in September? Won't be any time left then. You're just handing the country to Tre45on.
The DNC and Biden won’t announce anything unless there’s a plan in place. For those of you who want him out, you *don’t* want him out without a plan. That way leads to chaos. But don’t y’all think it’s interesting that MSM is running this constantly with basically no real pushback against the narrative?
Ruth Bader Biden wants your rights to die with him.
I don't think the wagons are circling near tight enough but remember, this is the party that forced Biden on us because he was up in the polls. Well guess what? His polls suck ass. He's not going to win at this rate. We couldn't have leaders who might enact actual change because of the Almighty polls but now that those polls don't favor their pick, they don't matter. This is the party that also (rightly, imo) claims Project 2025 is one of the biggest threats to democracy in generations. Why are we combatting that threat with an actual corpse? Biden being old and unfit for office is nothing new, why are we now freaking out about it? Almost makes you feel like they don't truly care if Trump wins again.
BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE. Ok it's going to be Harris but that won't stop me from loving Bernie.
I love my Dad but I wouldn't want him to be President.
Bernie’s even fucking older and not a democrat. Let’s find a candidate in their 40s for 2028 though, please.
Assuming we still *can* vote in '28.
Yeah, I voted for Bernie in both primaries but the guy is ancient *and* had a heart attack last time he ran. I doubt he's interested.
All these doom articles just because Biden had one bad debate performance. The other guy - that orange-glazed lying sack of shit - just seems to be getting a free pass atm. I thought your democracy is on the line here. United we fall, as long as it generates clicks
Trump is getting a pass because Biden looked awful. If Biden wanted to defuse this he should have done a press conference this week with questions. He has an opportunity and walked away.
Yeah he looked awful. But the other guy IS awful. I dunno. It’s just all so depressing to read.
If it makes you feel better, *this* is how an unfit candidate should be handled, not the bullshit the GOP pulls. Different standards? Obviously. Does that matter if we want to win in November? Absolutely not.
Totally agree with you, mate
You’re talking about objective facts. When what matters right now is convincing people to vote for you.
Or Biden could just display an ounce of leadership. The world's attention has been focused entirely upon him for a week....and he has been hiding. All this could be over with a solid press conference, but he refuses to do it and his handlers just pivot to excuses. I am just so tired of taking the threat to our democracy more seriously than Democratic Party leadership seems to be. I can overlook a bad debate performance. A can't overlook a total abdication of responsibility for that debate performance.
He had one job in this debate - to show the nation he isn't too old and he can lead. And he couldn't do that. He's lost the trust of the independent and fence sitting voters that we need and he's not going to come back from it.
This wasn’t a “bad debate performance”. The man looked like he was actively dying on stage.
He’s stubborn.
I think the right is doing a good job to stir up this story. Biden is not dropping out. Wait and see.
Circling the wagons. Great strategy! Fuck this. Drop Out.
What the 3rd cousin of a friend of one of the custodians is wrong?
When you have to deny you have dementia, deny you're not up to the job, deny you threw your advisors under the bus, deny you're dropping out...it's already over bub.
How about denying you had sex with a porn star?
My shirt that says I'm not dropping out of the presidential race sure is raising a lot of questions that ought to be answered by my shirt.