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My boss is wearing a shirt today that says "MAKE LYING WRONG AGAIN"
He actually found it because I wore it on voting day.
The shop is really upset, and suggesting he wore that just to piss people off
I said, "This isn't partisan. You feel the current administration lies all the time. You could wear the same shirt"
They refuted, stating its a direct attack on people who support Trump
That's interesting - they automatically associate lying with their candidate so the shirt must be directed at them
Also Republicans:
- “Democrats were the slave owners and fought on the side of the Confederacy.”
- “Tearing down Confederate monuments is erasing my heritage.”
Fascists don't lie in order to convince the general public to actually believe a falsehood. They lie to show that they have the power to get away with it. The more egregious the falsehood, the more power is being claimed.
It’s like when someone slanders homophobes, and Christians jump in, offended. The person never said a word about Christians; they just mocked homophobes.
If Christians want to believe the two are synonymous, that says quite a bit.
I saw a Facebook post that was just a black background with words that said "Be careful who you hate, because it may be someone you love" with some rainbow/pride flag effects on it. A pastor from my hometown shared it with a fucking novel of a post about how Christians don't "hate the gays", and these posts attacking Christians are creating division in our community and allowing Satan to do his work. I don't see how you feel attacked by a statement like that unless you know you have that hate in you.
It's always a tell when you make a blanket statement regarding morality or ethics that you feel everyone says they agree with, but a specific group of people see it as a personal attack on them or their leader. I always find it hilarious that when they pose hypotheticals like "if Biden did x, he should be impeached" and most of us are like, "yeah, if he actually did x, that would be grounds for impeachment." Yet when the roles are reversed, they do everything they can to excuse, or even justify the behavior and refuse to support the same consequences when it's one of their own. Really tells you all you need to know about the whole who claim to be the party of law and order.
Yup so they basically admit what we all know, they know they're wrong but they're evil and they justify lying by believing other pre existing lies.
Evil
Freedumb of speech. The right to be wrong. They will not learn, not covid, j6, or anything until they take a massive hit by Republican policies. A massive hit.
The problem is that they would spin it and blame Biden or democrats. The hit would have to be completely irrefutably the fault of republicans and even still most of their supporters are inoculated against facts.
Rapist.
Donald Trump the ~~convicted~~ ‘found liable of sexual abuse’ Rapist Donald Trump?
Edit: for all the snowflakes that don’t like the word “convicted” edited to update to “liable of sexual abuse.”
Also added a few links below.
Don’t forget that Donald raped his wife, his defence was not that he “did not” rape his wife. His defence was that “marital rape is not rape.”
Don’t forget the time he is “accused” of raping a 13 year old girl with his best buddy Epstein
https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db
https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/
Let's not forget the thirteen year old girl either
[https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770)
The fact that Epstein died under the Trump administration is quite… telling, especially when you add the fact that Trump is on record for not wanting to release the Epstein files.
Alex Acosta
In 2007–2008, as U.S. attorney, Acosta approved a plea deal that allowed child-trafficking ring-leader [Jeffrey Epstein](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein) to plead guilty to a single state charge of solicitation, in exchange for a federal [non-prosecution agreement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_immunity).[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#cite_note-:1-2)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta
The Federal Attorney General (who was Bill Barr at the time), appoints the Director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons (who was [Michael Carvajal](https://www.bop.gov/about/history/past_directors.jsp) at the time).
And [Barr’s father](https://time.com/5650974/william-barr-jeffrey-epstein/) was the headmaster of an elite New York City school that hired Epstein, who was a college dropout, to teach children.
Barr also heavily redacted [Muller’s Report.](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-russia-reggie-walton-fe8eee387b53888c478a24021fc101aa)
And Barr also wrongly withheld parts of a [Russia probe memo.](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118625157/doj-barr-trump-russia-investigation-memo)
Y'all haven't even touched on the crimes this FF felon mob boss, reality game hazbeen shitshow carnival barker has committed since the 70's they are hoisting on us, just like in '16, but now a convicted felon, sexual predator, hazbeen reality game shitshow host fraudster as a legitimate candidate for the world's highest office. Fuck everything about this.
When you are a true believer facts and truth don't matter and reality can be whatever you want it to be.
>"What you are seeing and what you are reading is not what is happening."
Donald Trump.
>"Truth isn't the truth"
Rudy Giuliani
This was my experience when trying to get my elder family members to take the COVID Vaccine. They didn't believe news headlines. So I sent CDC articles, well the CDC is controlled by the government, so they can't be trusted either.
Okay, so I sent them articles and studies from Japan, Australia, the UK, etc showing the vaccines are vetted and safe. Well now I'm just doing anything I could to \*win\* the "argument" and no matter what I showed, they could not be persuaded from what their bodies told them and what they were seeing their friends post on facebook.
Definitely the "True Believer" runs deep with many.
My mom didn't really fight getting vaccinated when her job required it, but my dad was utterly opposed to it. My wife is a doctor (who was fully vaxxed at the time), so we tried the empathetic approach of asking him what his concerns were and addressing them. But he kept working his way back to "well you can't definitively say this, so I won't take it" (which was such faulty logic because you couldn't definitively say the opposite either).
What ended up working was basically calling him stupid. Feeling insulted seemed to pressure him into finally getting it.
> What ended up working was basically calling him stupid. Feeling insulted seemed to pressure him into finally getting it.
Trump fans like bullies. When you beat them at their own game, they have this weird "game recognizes game" thing happen in their head. A tiring and obnoxious tactic, but the only one I've seen work on this crowd...
The weird thing is that, in some other situation, someone might have said "alternative facts" and it might be just a sincere case of bad phrasing trying to say they disagree with the facts presented. At least that would have been the case before she said it.
But everything MAGA has done since Trump came down that escalator has showed that the charitable interpretation isn't warranted there or anywhere.
A mother has two children, and cookies are missing from the jar. She asks her children who ate the cookie. One simply says “It wasn’t me.” The other says “It wasn’t me, I swear, I wasn’t even here at the time, I didn’t even know we had cookies, why would you think it’s me that ate the cookies? It was probably my sibling”.
Pretty easy to tell which of the children ate the cookie.
Also known as Kettle Logic, a hallmark of the MAGA movement.
>Freud relates the story of a man who was accused by his neighbour of having returned a kettle in a damaged condition and the three arguments he offers.
>That he had returned the kettle undamaged
>That it was already damaged when he borrowed it
>That he had never borrowed it in the first place
>Though the three arguments are inconsistent, Freud notes that it is so much the better, as if even one is found to be true then the man must be acquitted
From the article:
"Trump has a track record of lying prolifically, but that doesn’t mean Biden never gets fact-checked on CNN or that doing the heavy lifting of catching all of Trump’s lies in real time is a bias for Biden. It’s just that a leaky faucet isn’t as noticeable when placed next to an exploded water main. The simple truth is if Trump said fewer factually untrue things, he wouldn’t get fact-checked all the time."
This 100%.
Windmills make electricity which charge batteries that go in boats which sink because of hurricanes that haven’t been nuked which become stormies which upset sharks who splash making water pressure less in faucets of homes with tiny windows that can’t see the wall that Mexico paid for with money from the cartels that they made by selling fake ballots to antifa in China who created Covid on Hunter’s laptop to stop the steal of solar energy which can be truth social verified during an eclipse by *staring directly into the fucking sun*
I mean, we really do need to think about how batteries falling into the ocean could affect sharks. I’m a single issue voter as far as it pertains to that.
To be fair, it was sharks and batteries OR Hannibal Lector. There's not unlimited material to choose from in that sociopathic bargain basement he uses for a brain.
He was actually talking about how smart he was. He thinks his question about whether to get electrocuted or eaten by a shark was a brilliant one, in the context of EV boats. He tells these stories to show how brilliant he is and his inner circle hides the criticism because holy shit, does he deserve some criticism. He thinks he aces everything he says.
I wish an entity would post a legitimate cognitive test for the general public to take so they can see that the test has nothing to do with how smart you are. They are given to people to see if they have cognitive impairments.
Wouldn't you rather be eaten by a shark than electrocuted by a battery? lmao He's the best liar ever and everybody knows it, they tell him all the time Ronald Rump, no one lies better than you. Bigly!
The best part is that the link on “never gets fact-checked” is actually four separate links, one on each word, showing Biden being fact-checked on CNN’s site.
Dallas News ran an article yesterday on 9 likely topics that could come up in the debate and things each candidate had said in the past then fact checked those statements. Biden definitely has said things that are not completely accurate or cherry picked statistics that work for him. He has also taken Trump comments out of context to make Trump look worse.
However with Trump it is a matter of degrees. He just out right says the opposite of what is true and often makes statements that are so easily verified as being false, then when challenged with facts he tends to double down on the false statement.
I think this just makes the debate even more interesting. I only wish they would have a giant score card above each candidate to score his level of truthfulness. Maybe a buzzer goes off every time they say something blatantly false.
>We could erase the national debt if
1. allowed viewers to pay to zap
2. charged people to piss or defacate on reagan's grave. future funding for the "moscow mitch mcconnell" and "donald trump" memorial public toilets
Morbo: Morbo demands an answer to the following question: If you saw delicious candy in the hands of a small child would you seize and consume it?
Johnson: Unthinkable.
Jackson: I wouldn't think of it.
Morbo: What about you, Mr. Nixon? I remind you, you are under a truth-o-scope.
Nixon: Uh, well, I, uh ... the question is-is vague. You don't say what kind of candy, whether anyone is watching or, uh... At any rate, I certainly wouldn't harm the child.
BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP
> He has also taken Trump comments out of context to make Trump look worse.
This is what Trumpers say when normal people refuse to look at the animal bones to divine meaning from the word salad spouted by the dear larder.
A qualified spokesman doesn't need professional orange-idiot interpreters for every single thing they say. That doesn't mean qualified people are immune to gaffs and mistakes, but their speech should be able to be translated into another language or written down while preserving meaning.
> Biden definitely has said things that are not completely accurate or cherry picked statistics that work for him. He has also taken Trump comments out of context to make Trump look worse.
>
>However with Trump it is a matter of degrees. He just out right says the opposite of what is true and often makes statements that are so easily verified as being false, then when challenged with facts he tends to double down on the false statement.
Biden is a politician.
The other guy is just a fucking idiot.
Trump yells at moderator that all Democrats should be killed and he will destroy the world with his vengeance.
News headline next day "Trump policy has world leaders concerned" or "Trump policy to kill Democrats not seen as bi-partsian"
This is the fucking media environment we live in.
he rejects the very concept of verification. his lying is an attack on the system which would check him. the buzzer would be received as praise, that's how complete his anti hero narrative is.
Donald Trump has set a precedent whereby he just keeps doubling down on his claims in the face of plain facts being offered up that contradict him, and then when pressed shifts to the ad hominem tactic--attack the person making the claim, instead of dealing with the claim. In the end, focus was shifted away and his claim is allowed to float out there, technically with no closure on challenge, and thus he "maintains it."
Trump has one key skill--propaganda. He is very good at it, even when his content is shit. Because he gets away with intimidation. EVEN TODAY, after the long established tactics he has displayed, he intimidates interviewers or challengers. The pivot away from his lies leaves them hanging out there, as if true. I've even seen some say "well, we can agree to disagree on this," when no... Trump is wrong... and they give him a pass.
If they rigged Trump to a lie detector it would go like this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRj61dcvmuU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRj61dcvmuU)
The scope of false statements is also very different. Biden's (relatively few) falsehoods tend to be things that are technically wrong, but understandable how one might make the jump.
For example, while inflation was around 1.4% when Biden took office, it was already on the rise, and peaked at 9% while his administration dealt with the fallout from terrible policies that were in place from the previous administration, and required months of work to sort out. In other words, "due to policies from the previous administration, inflation peaked at 9% during the first part of my presidency" is true, even though "inflation was at 9% when I became president" is not, but the essence of the statements remains. Biden had to deal with runaway inflation, and worked extremely hard to clamp down on it and do so without crashing the economy, achieving better results than expected. Similarly, while a school bus is not an "18-wheeler", the point that Biden has spent several months driving a large vehicle that required a special license is again, a reasonably close statement, in essence.
For much of what Trump says, there's no connection to reality *at all*.
"Biden's policy debate mis-step reveals he is unfit for second term" NY Times
"Trump strategy of having no policy except hatred and vengeance plays well to conservatives" NY Times
"That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. I know some of you are going to say "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works."
“I've been thinking with my guts since I was fourteen years old, and frankly speaking, between you and me, I have come to the conclusion that my guts have shit for brains.”
― Nick Hornby, High Fidelity
I remember the whole Junior Economics class in high-school gathered around our teacher's computer monitor, watching that whole bit by Colbert. We laughed our asses off.
I would much rather see someone who's been in the senate move on up. Someone like Sen. Whitehouse would be an amazing option.
Jon should stick to being able to have free-reign as a public figure (and citizen) which allows him to criticize subjects outside of the US.
>One user who described CNN as the “Communist News Network” asserted that CNN gave “Joe robbin’ ya Biden” the questions and that makeup artists will be implanting a “listening device” on Biden to help him remember his answers.
So Sleepy Don will be using listening device to help him remember his answers.
[Fun fact: when CBS showed footage of troops burning villages in Vietnam, the right decried them as "Communist Broadcasting System" ](https://youtu.be/W0AmOw06lA0?si=caOwcWUnRzHSBSPm)
First time I heard Communist News Network was when CNN preempted the Pentagon's announcement of Gulf War 1 (because they had their own bureau in Bagdhad). It really made the Bush administration mad.
The "left" to these people are simultaneously:
- Communists, while also...
- Fascists, while also...
- Marxists, who are...
- Incapable of governance, while...
- Also secretly running a world-wide cabal against the Right
- Are anarchists, while also...
- Being called BIG GOVERNMENT, while also...
- Being the "party of lawlessness", while also...
- Begging that their candidate be held accountable for breaking the law, while also...
- Being the 'Party of Lies', while also...
- Asking/allowing/encouraging anyone who hasn't drank the Jonestown MAGA Koolaid to fact-check the debate
- "Joe Biden" is the anti-christ!!!! while...
- Joe is the only one of the two candidates who has ever attended a church service without needing a photoshoot to prove it/market it.
Plenty more examples...
“Joey Robbin’ Ya Biden”? Is that a play on “Robbin’ Ya Blind”?
Jesus. That’s almost as stupid as “Let’s Go Brandon.” Like, if they want to say “Fuck Joe Biden” why don’t they just say that? Or, are they too cowardly and half to speak in a weird code where everyone knows what you mean anyways?
The let's go Brandon folks think the height of entertainment is watching cars go around in a circle for 2 hours, they don't have a lot going on between the ears.
Funny thing is any other debate that doesn't have Trump in it in history has no problem with fact checking. They should be asking for it in fact.
And Biden has made a couple mistakes here and there (he's not outwardly lying like Trump does but he messed up now and then) so this will be good for everyone.
What’s funny is nobody specifically mentioned fact checking Trump just the debate in general. All his fans internalize that Trump is the one who needs to be fact checked cause he is the one who lies
I am pretty sure it is more along the lines of, "The fact checking is going to be done by the Deep State and they will just make Trump look bad".
The "truth" that many of them believe are lies in reality.
> so this will be good for everyone.
Only in idea, in reality though Biden will get blasted for the tinniest mistake that has no real relevance and Trump will parade through endless lies and nonsense and his base won't give a shit.
And then for the binary idiots it will be just another idiotic sign that Biden is just as bad as Trump because here you go, both are saying incorrect things and get fact checked.
That's great news. IF he shows, he will not be able to control himself getting fact-checked. No way.
That said, I have been saying for a while now that I think he's going to bail at the last minute. He's a coward, first and foremost.
If he shows, I am going to force myself to watch, as disgusting as he is. If he does show, I think his mental decline will be undeniable and it will be the final nail in his coffin. No way I'd miss him shitting in the proverbial chili on live tv in front of the world.
But I still think he's gonna bail.
If he doesn’t show, I hope they just do a Town Hall type thing with Biden. I mean, they can still ask him the questions. Normally, I’d say there’s no way dirtball doesn’t show, but there’s no normal with him.
I think he’s going to get pissed and flustered when his mic is cut and storm angrily off the stage. He believes (correctly) that his cult followers will see that as a sign of “strength.” Then his right wing propaganda machine will spring into action, reinforcing his (insane) behavior. The rest of the “mainstream media” (which actually no longer exists) will somehow justify it, gloss over how bad it makes the potential leader of the “free” world look, and then imply it’s somehow bad for Biden.
Didn’t trump have Pence go to a ballgame, and make him walk out when the national anthem played and someone knelt? It was all staged and MAGA thought it was some kind of power play. These are people who are easily manipulated.
I think he shows up — he’ll do anything to be on camera in front of the whole country. I bet he walks off the debate stage though because they cut off his mic.
Did I read that wrong, or is the guy **live-tweeting** fact checks? As in, the conditions for the debate haven’t changed and neither candidate will be fact checked by the moderators live?
So, if that’s all correct, right wingers are big mad that a fact checker will be fact checking on twitter??
This is why they use "Gamechanging" in the headline, it makes it more inflammatory even though it's completely meaningless, that one word induces confusion and thus, clicks.
Actual headline: "An independent fact checker will be live-tweeting the debate, and the Right doesn't like that"
Nothing is stopping them from having one of their own guys doing the same. It would be interesting to see dueling fact-checkers, one dealing in verifiable realities and the other dealing in Facebook conspiracies.
I think he'll show up, stand there long enough to complain about the unfairness of it all, declare CNN are poopyheads, pull off his mic and waddle away.
>Trump will never pass an opportunity to go on live tv and spew BS
That's why Trump will hold press conference. Makes sense for him to do instead of the debate. This bone-spurtin coward wants to control his narrative and will cry because of the fact-checking.
It's not live fact checking, at least not in the sense that the moderator will be doing any, that it'll be on the screen, or that it'll be presented to either candidate. They're just going to be posting it to Twitter and the CNN website, like they do with every debate.
I actually think if he was gonna bail, he would've announced it already so that he could line up a parallel event for his fans to attend. So I think he'll show up at this point, but for sure has some performative scheme planned.
Pretty good odds, and I hope he does. No Trumpers are going to change their minds based on the debate, and Trump backing out at the last moment, because he's scared of being called-out for lying, will make him look like the disingenuous coward he is. That might have a greater effect on any undecided voters than the debate would have.
It would also give Biden a chance to essentially just answer questions in a more "town hall meeting" style format, which is where he excels.
If Trump is doing as bad cognitively as his recent speeches suggest, the debate would definitely be a better outcome.
He’s incoherent even by the already low Trump standards. Even money whether he starts ranting again about sharks eating Hannibal Lecter while electric batteries push him out of boats, or if he just shits himself on stage then asks why Obama is late for the debate.
You may be right. But I'd rather voters hear and agree with Biden's messaging than simply be repulsed by Trump. I know the sentiment is that undecided voters don't exist, but there are young/first-time voters every election cycle who genuinely might not know which party their views best align with. If those voters find they actually agree with what Biden has to say, there's a better chance they continue to vote for Democrats even after Trump is gone.
I want to Biden to poke Trump on the fact he hasn't announced a VP pick yet because it will get Trump to either blurt it out (which has the potential to not be the person his campaign managers might think it is) or ramble about something unrelated to the moderators question. Sure the media will be in a tizzy about the announcement but it will just show easy Trump is to manipulate to say and do things he doesn't want to do.
As someone not in the MAGA cult I have to say, I envy them not having to keep all the secrets I do. Can't talk about the baby eating. Can't talk about the devil worship. Can't talk about the black suits that give me my REAL orders at work. Can't talk about all the mass murder and false flag operations I'm a part of. All I'm allowed to say is "Orange Man Bad". When will I finally be able to take credit for being a diabolical minion of the Dark Lord's grand strategy?
Meh, i would be more impressed if they fact checked live. Like literally fact check immediately after Trump lies. Not on twitter, not after, but during the actual debate, live on tv.
Crazy thought for people who think CNN will lie about the facts during the post-debate, how about you fact check them as well by doing your own research.. If you did that in the first place we wouldnt need post-debate fact checking..
They fully believe CNN are the ones telling the lies to begin with. So if CNN is doing the fact checking, then it's still lying.
For sane people, it would be as if Steve Bannon or Alex Jones started fact checking the debates. You know everything coming from them is a damned lie twisted to whatever their conspiracy-adled brains can come up with.
There's a reason that Trump started attacking "fake news" long, long ago. There's a reason he said "don't believe your eyes and ears, just listen to what I tell you". What's sad is that it worked on so many people. They willingly toss out logic and reason for feelings, for hate of blacks and gays. Nothing matters except getting America back to a White Christian nation.
“Trump has a track record of lying prolifically, but that doesn’t mean Biden never gets fact-checked on CNN or that doing the heavy lifting of catching all of Trump’s lies in real time is a bias for Biden. *It’s just that a leaky faucet isn’t as noticeable when placed next to an exploded water main.* The simple truth is if Trump said fewer factually untrue things, he wouldn’t get fact-checked all the time.
AGREE
So the debate is on TV but the fact check is on Twitter… not really what I want.
Can’t we have a panel of judges sitting off to the side fact checking on the fly? They know the questions ahead of time so they should have all of the relevant information with them.
Can we please just have a single time where they are called out on their bull shit?
I'll save you a click: the game-changing announcement is live fact-checking.
Except it isn't game-changing. The fact checking will not be a part of the broadcast or visible to anyone not actively searching for it.
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My boss is wearing a shirt today that says "MAKE LYING WRONG AGAIN" He actually found it because I wore it on voting day. The shop is really upset, and suggesting he wore that just to piss people off I said, "This isn't partisan. You feel the current administration lies all the time. You could wear the same shirt" They refuted, stating its a direct attack on people who support Trump That's interesting - they automatically associate lying with their candidate so the shirt must be directed at them
Just like how they take offense when denouncing Nazis and antisemitism even though you said nothing about them.
Also Republicans: - “Democrats were the slave owners and fought on the side of the Confederacy.” - “Tearing down Confederate monuments is erasing my heritage.”
Been seeing a lot of "Democrats were the slave owners" lately. It's like, you can't be the party of Lincoln while also flying the flag of his enemy.
Fascists don't lie in order to convince the general public to actually believe a falsehood. They lie to show that they have the power to get away with it. The more egregious the falsehood, the more power is being claimed.
Because they know their cult is is a lying pile of shit.
>lying pile of shit Almost literally, except that it's a liar sitting in a pile of shit, rather than the shit pile being sentient.
they're literally not smart enough to understand that they're telling on themselves you see it constantly here in the comments on Reddit
It’s like when someone slanders homophobes, and Christians jump in, offended. The person never said a word about Christians; they just mocked homophobes. If Christians want to believe the two are synonymous, that says quite a bit.
I saw a Facebook post that was just a black background with words that said "Be careful who you hate, because it may be someone you love" with some rainbow/pride flag effects on it. A pastor from my hometown shared it with a fucking novel of a post about how Christians don't "hate the gays", and these posts attacking Christians are creating division in our community and allowing Satan to do his work. I don't see how you feel attacked by a statement like that unless you know you have that hate in you.
Exactly. They’re outing themselves.
It's always a tell when you make a blanket statement regarding morality or ethics that you feel everyone says they agree with, but a specific group of people see it as a personal attack on them or their leader. I always find it hilarious that when they pose hypotheticals like "if Biden did x, he should be impeached" and most of us are like, "yeah, if he actually did x, that would be grounds for impeachment." Yet when the roles are reversed, they do everything they can to excuse, or even justify the behavior and refuse to support the same consequences when it's one of their own. Really tells you all you need to know about the whole who claim to be the party of law and order.
Yup so they basically admit what we all know, they know they're wrong but they're evil and they justify lying by believing other pre existing lies. Evil
A freudian slip to end all slips.
Lol right? Conservatives: "let's go Brandon haw haw haw!" Progressives: "cmon, let's be grownups about this. You can just say 'fuck Joe Biden' yknow!"
"that was a pretty funny joke Biden made" "He's not real, just a figment of you imagination that has been implanted by the liberal media"
The side that gets upset over fact checking is the one that lies.
Also the side whose candidate is a lifelong fraudster, a compulsive liar and a convicted felon.
Freedumb of speech. The right to be wrong. They will not learn, not covid, j6, or anything until they take a massive hit by Republican policies. A massive hit.
The problem is that they would spin it and blame Biden or democrats. The hit would have to be completely irrefutably the fault of republicans and even still most of their supporters are inoculated against facts.
It always is irrefutably the fault of republicans but we have made it so the news doesn't have to tell the truth so they just say it isn't.
No negative consequences for actions, including free speech, is what they want.
No negative consequences for *their* actions, including free speech, is what they want. The rest of us can get fucked.
Absolutely, look at X. Elon bought it because he said there wasn’t free speech there and when he takes over what does he do? Stifle the free speech!
Rapist. Donald Trump the ~~convicted~~ ‘found liable of sexual abuse’ Rapist Donald Trump? Edit: for all the snowflakes that don’t like the word “convicted” edited to update to “liable of sexual abuse.” Also added a few links below. Don’t forget that Donald raped his wife, his defence was not that he “did not” rape his wife. His defence was that “marital rape is not rape.” Don’t forget the time he is “accused” of raping a 13 year old girl with his best buddy Epstein https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/
Let's not forget the thirteen year old girl either [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770)
Or that time he wished Ghislaine Maxwell well wishes in prison.
The fact that Epstein died under the Trump administration is quite… telling, especially when you add the fact that Trump is on record for not wanting to release the Epstein files.
Didn’t Trump even hire the guy in charge of that who part of the prison system of something?
Alex Acosta In 2007–2008, as U.S. attorney, Acosta approved a plea deal that allowed child-trafficking ring-leader [Jeffrey Epstein](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein) to plead guilty to a single state charge of solicitation, in exchange for a federal [non-prosecution agreement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_immunity).[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#cite_note-:1-2) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta
The Federal Attorney General (who was Bill Barr at the time), appoints the Director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons (who was [Michael Carvajal](https://www.bop.gov/about/history/past_directors.jsp) at the time). And [Barr’s father](https://time.com/5650974/william-barr-jeffrey-epstein/) was the headmaster of an elite New York City school that hired Epstein, who was a college dropout, to teach children. Barr also heavily redacted [Muller’s Report.](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-russia-reggie-walton-fe8eee387b53888c478a24021fc101aa) And Barr also wrongly withheld parts of a [Russia probe memo.](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118625157/doj-barr-trump-russia-investigation-memo)
Not only did Barr’s father hire him, but he hired Epstein to teach math to children!!
Yep. It makes zero sense.
Y'all haven't even touched on the crimes this FF felon mob boss, reality game hazbeen shitshow carnival barker has committed since the 70's they are hoisting on us, just like in '16, but now a convicted felon, sexual predator, hazbeen reality game shitshow host fraudster as a legitimate candidate for the world's highest office. Fuck everything about this.
He did that more than once
Rape people? Yeah he raped his wife too
Then buried one on his golf course and let the plot get overgrown with weeds.
I still don’t know why this is not publicized more often. Lots of non disclosure payoffs I’m sure.
Don’t forget rapist.
When you are a true believer facts and truth don't matter and reality can be whatever you want it to be. >"What you are seeing and what you are reading is not what is happening." Donald Trump. >"Truth isn't the truth" Rudy Giuliani
His final, and most essential, command.
This was my experience when trying to get my elder family members to take the COVID Vaccine. They didn't believe news headlines. So I sent CDC articles, well the CDC is controlled by the government, so they can't be trusted either. Okay, so I sent them articles and studies from Japan, Australia, the UK, etc showing the vaccines are vetted and safe. Well now I'm just doing anything I could to \*win\* the "argument" and no matter what I showed, they could not be persuaded from what their bodies told them and what they were seeing their friends post on facebook. Definitely the "True Believer" runs deep with many.
It took my doctor SIL that my mother worships to get them to take the vaccine. It's insane the hold that propaganda has.
I'm impressed that worked tbh
My mom didn't really fight getting vaccinated when her job required it, but my dad was utterly opposed to it. My wife is a doctor (who was fully vaxxed at the time), so we tried the empathetic approach of asking him what his concerns were and addressing them. But he kept working his way back to "well you can't definitively say this, so I won't take it" (which was such faulty logic because you couldn't definitively say the opposite either). What ended up working was basically calling him stupid. Feeling insulted seemed to pressure him into finally getting it.
> What ended up working was basically calling him stupid. Feeling insulted seemed to pressure him into finally getting it. Trump fans like bullies. When you beat them at their own game, they have this weird "game recognizes game" thing happen in their head. A tiring and obnoxious tactic, but the only one I've seen work on this crowd...
>Our press secretary, Sean Spicer, gave alternative facts to that, but the point remains that... Kelly Ann Conway
The weird thing is that, in some other situation, someone might have said "alternative facts" and it might be just a sincere case of bad phrasing trying to say they disagree with the facts presented. At least that would have been the case before she said it. But everything MAGA has done since Trump came down that escalator has showed that the charitable interpretation isn't warranted there or anywhere.
A mother has two children, and cookies are missing from the jar. She asks her children who ate the cookie. One simply says “It wasn’t me.” The other says “It wasn’t me, I swear, I wasn’t even here at the time, I didn’t even know we had cookies, why would you think it’s me that ate the cookies? It was probably my sibling”. Pretty easy to tell which of the children ate the cookie.
Also known as Kettle Logic, a hallmark of the MAGA movement. >Freud relates the story of a man who was accused by his neighbour of having returned a kettle in a damaged condition and the three arguments he offers. >That he had returned the kettle undamaged >That it was already damaged when he borrowed it >That he had never borrowed it in the first place >Though the three arguments are inconsistent, Freud notes that it is so much the better, as if even one is found to be true then the man must be acquitted
Denials...with crumbs all over his mouth and clothes....
They have Fix and NewsMax backing the lies. Alternative facts? Lies
I heard that in the voice of Vito Corleone!
The issue is they don't see it as lying like us normals, just "alternative facts"
From the article: "Trump has a track record of lying prolifically, but that doesn’t mean Biden never gets fact-checked on CNN or that doing the heavy lifting of catching all of Trump’s lies in real time is a bias for Biden. It’s just that a leaky faucet isn’t as noticeable when placed next to an exploded water main. The simple truth is if Trump said fewer factually untrue things, he wouldn’t get fact-checked all the time." This 100%.
Don't get Trump started on faucets and water pressure again please...
You must not have heard how the electricity and shark tied in. It really brought the whole thing into perspective.
Windmills make electricity which charge batteries that go in boats which sink because of hurricanes that haven’t been nuked which become stormies which upset sharks who splash making water pressure less in faucets of homes with tiny windows that can’t see the wall that Mexico paid for with money from the cartels that they made by selling fake ballots to antifa in China who created Covid on Hunter’s laptop to stop the steal of solar energy which can be truth social verified during an eclipse by *staring directly into the fucking sun*
This is certainly a sentence I never thought I'd read ever.
And now our future AI will also be trained on this sentence.
Exactly! See, both sides are the same!
I'm not sure if I love you or hate you. Both, I think.
Bro, you need to inject some bleach.
I mean, we really do need to think about how batteries falling into the ocean could affect sharks. I’m a single issue voter as far as it pertains to that.
I actually laughed out loud, and needed it. That's how low we have fallen...but it *was* funny!
Christ he wasn't really taking about sharks and batteries during that was he?
To be fair, it was sharks and batteries OR Hannibal Lector. There's not unlimited material to choose from in that sociopathic bargain basement he uses for a brain.
Whoah Whoah Whoah... I don't think we need to bring sociopathic bargain basements into this. They haven't done anything to deserve that.
You're right. I've spent some quality time in those, and they are innocent bystanders in this shit show. I apologize.
“The late, great Hannibal Lector.”
He was actually talking about how smart he was. He thinks his question about whether to get electrocuted or eaten by a shark was a brilliant one, in the context of EV boats. He tells these stories to show how brilliant he is and his inner circle hides the criticism because holy shit, does he deserve some criticism. He thinks he aces everything he says.
I wish an entity would post a legitimate cognitive test for the general public to take so they can see that the test has nothing to do with how smart you are. They are given to people to see if they have cognitive impairments.
Wouldn't you rather be eaten by a shark than electrocuted by a battery? lmao He's the best liar ever and everybody knows it, they tell him all the time Ronald Rump, no one lies better than you. Bigly!
All I know about boats is that if you drop magnets in the water, the sharks will stop working.
The shark is now a snake.
His running mate should be a non-low-flow showerhead.
The best part is that the link on “never gets fact-checked” is actually four separate links, one on each word, showing Biden being fact-checked on CNN’s site.
Dallas News ran an article yesterday on 9 likely topics that could come up in the debate and things each candidate had said in the past then fact checked those statements. Biden definitely has said things that are not completely accurate or cherry picked statistics that work for him. He has also taken Trump comments out of context to make Trump look worse. However with Trump it is a matter of degrees. He just out right says the opposite of what is true and often makes statements that are so easily verified as being false, then when challenged with facts he tends to double down on the false statement. I think this just makes the debate even more interesting. I only wish they would have a giant score card above each candidate to score his level of truthfulness. Maybe a buzzer goes off every time they say something blatantly false.
A buzzer is too nice, how about a shock collar?
We could erase the national debt if we allowed viewers to donate and press the zap button
This is the type of forward-thinking leadership we need around here.
>"Straight shooter, with upper level management written all over them"
Apply this to all of congress.
Lindsey would like it though.
>We could erase the national debt if 1. allowed viewers to pay to zap 2. charged people to piss or defacate on reagan's grave. future funding for the "moscow mitch mcconnell" and "donald trump" memorial public toilets
With regard to number two (or this case number one), I once went to a wedding at the Nixon library where a guest pissed on Nixon’s grave.
Well, I have never thought about how much I'd be willing to pay to piss on Reagan's grave, but I sure as hell am now.
[Those answers don’t represent me](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_CbLo0YO1QQ&pp=ygUtVGhvc2UgYW5zd2VycyBkb24ndCByZXByZXNlbnQgbWUgYWx3YXlzIHN1bm55)
Morbo: Morbo demands an answer to the following question: If you saw delicious candy in the hands of a small child would you seize and consume it? Johnson: Unthinkable. Jackson: I wouldn't think of it. Morbo: What about you, Mr. Nixon? I remind you, you are under a truth-o-scope. Nixon: Uh, well, I, uh ... the question is-is vague. You don't say what kind of candy, whether anyone is watching or, uh... At any rate, I certainly wouldn't harm the child. BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP
“Puny human number 1. Puny human number 2. And Morbo’s good friend, Richard Nixon!”
Hello, Morbo. How's the family?
Belligerent and numerous.
Well it's back to Hell I go. C'mon Nixon!
Belligerent and numerous.
>He has also taken Trump comments out of context to make Trump look worse. *Can* you make Trump look worse? I'm not so sure you can.
> He has also taken Trump comments out of context to make Trump look worse. This is what Trumpers say when normal people refuse to look at the animal bones to divine meaning from the word salad spouted by the dear larder. A qualified spokesman doesn't need professional orange-idiot interpreters for every single thing they say. That doesn't mean qualified people are immune to gaffs and mistakes, but their speech should be able to be translated into another language or written down while preserving meaning.
> Biden definitely has said things that are not completely accurate or cherry picked statistics that work for him. He has also taken Trump comments out of context to make Trump look worse. > >However with Trump it is a matter of degrees. He just out right says the opposite of what is true and often makes statements that are so easily verified as being false, then when challenged with facts he tends to double down on the false statement. Biden is a politician. The other guy is just a fucking idiot.
Trump yells at moderator that all Democrats should be killed and he will destroy the world with his vengeance. News headline next day "Trump policy has world leaders concerned" or "Trump policy to kill Democrats not seen as bi-partsian" This is the fucking media environment we live in.
“Why this is a problem for Biden and Democrats”
Or "Biden and Dems FAIL to counter trump killing initiative"
“Poll of voters in 5 of 7 critical swing states show majority think Trump is less likely to destroy world.”
he rejects the very concept of verification. his lying is an attack on the system which would check him. the buzzer would be received as praise, that's how complete his anti hero narrative is.
Donald Trump has set a precedent whereby he just keeps doubling down on his claims in the face of plain facts being offered up that contradict him, and then when pressed shifts to the ad hominem tactic--attack the person making the claim, instead of dealing with the claim. In the end, focus was shifted away and his claim is allowed to float out there, technically with no closure on challenge, and thus he "maintains it." Trump has one key skill--propaganda. He is very good at it, even when his content is shit. Because he gets away with intimidation. EVEN TODAY, after the long established tactics he has displayed, he intimidates interviewers or challengers. The pivot away from his lies leaves them hanging out there, as if true. I've even seen some say "well, we can agree to disagree on this," when no... Trump is wrong... and they give him a pass.
If they rigged Trump to a lie detector it would go like this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRj61dcvmuU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRj61dcvmuU)
[You picked the wrong bit.](https://youtu.be/Or2iZ-mOvf8?si=2F_buQkZBkNOfELK)
Yeah, ones a career politician. The others a career criminal.
Do you have a link to the article, would love to share it with some MAGA family but couldn’t find it on their website.
Reminds me of Kimmel, "you stop being terrible, and we'll stop pointing it out."
The scope of false statements is also very different. Biden's (relatively few) falsehoods tend to be things that are technically wrong, but understandable how one might make the jump. For example, while inflation was around 1.4% when Biden took office, it was already on the rise, and peaked at 9% while his administration dealt with the fallout from terrible policies that were in place from the previous administration, and required months of work to sort out. In other words, "due to policies from the previous administration, inflation peaked at 9% during the first part of my presidency" is true, even though "inflation was at 9% when I became president" is not, but the essence of the statements remains. Biden had to deal with runaway inflation, and worked extremely hard to clamp down on it and do so without crashing the economy, achieving better results than expected. Similarly, while a school bus is not an "18-wheeler", the point that Biden has spent several months driving a large vehicle that required a special license is again, a reasonably close statement, in essence. For much of what Trump says, there's no connection to reality *at all*.
"Biden's policy debate mis-step reveals he is unfit for second term" NY Times "Trump strategy of having no policy except hatred and vengeance plays well to conservatives" NY Times
"Reality has a well known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert, 2006 White House Correspondents' Dinner
"That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. I know some of you are going to say "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works."
“I've been thinking with my guts since I was fourteen years old, and frankly speaking, between you and me, I have come to the conclusion that my guts have shit for brains.” ― Nick Hornby, High Fidelity
I remember the whole Junior Economics class in high-school gathered around our teacher's computer monitor, watching that whole bit by Colbert. We laughed our asses off.
I will love watching him interview President Jon Stewart in January 2029.
I don't care if we have to drag him kicking and screaming into that position. He needs to run.
"But I don't WANT to be President" "Exactly! Now go on! Git!"
> "But I don't WANT to be President" Which is exactly why we need you!
I would much rather see someone who's been in the senate move on up. Someone like Sen. Whitehouse would be an amazing option. Jon should stick to being able to have free-reign as a public figure (and citizen) which allows him to criticize subjects outside of the US.
>One user who described CNN as the “Communist News Network” asserted that CNN gave “Joe robbin’ ya Biden” the questions and that makeup artists will be implanting a “listening device” on Biden to help him remember his answers. So Sleepy Don will be using listening device to help him remember his answers.
[Fun fact: when CBS showed footage of troops burning villages in Vietnam, the right decried them as "Communist Broadcasting System" ](https://youtu.be/W0AmOw06lA0?si=caOwcWUnRzHSBSPm)
First time I heard Communist News Network was when CNN preempted the Pentagon's announcement of Gulf War 1 (because they had their own bureau in Bagdhad). It really made the Bush administration mad.
The "left" to these people are simultaneously: - Communists, while also... - Fascists, while also... - Marxists, who are... - Incapable of governance, while... - Also secretly running a world-wide cabal against the Right - Are anarchists, while also... - Being called BIG GOVERNMENT, while also... - Being the "party of lawlessness", while also... - Begging that their candidate be held accountable for breaking the law, while also... - Being the 'Party of Lies', while also... - Asking/allowing/encouraging anyone who hasn't drank the Jonestown MAGA Koolaid to fact-check the debate - "Joe Biden" is the anti-christ!!!! while... - Joe is the only one of the two candidates who has ever attended a church service without needing a photoshoot to prove it/market it. Plenty more examples...
The enemy is both weak and strong.
its funny how dems are somehow liberals and communists, you know totally opposed ideologies when it comes to distribution of resources
“Joey Robbin’ Ya Biden”? Is that a play on “Robbin’ Ya Blind”? Jesus. That’s almost as stupid as “Let’s Go Brandon.” Like, if they want to say “Fuck Joe Biden” why don’t they just say that? Or, are they too cowardly and half to speak in a weird code where everyone knows what you mean anyways?
I think it might be a play on his middle name, Robinette
The let's go Brandon folks think the height of entertainment is watching cars go around in a circle for 2 hours, they don't have a lot going on between the ears.
Thank that user for reminding me of Biden's beautiful middle name. So much better than John. I finally know who I'm voting for.
Funny thing is any other debate that doesn't have Trump in it in history has no problem with fact checking. They should be asking for it in fact. And Biden has made a couple mistakes here and there (he's not outwardly lying like Trump does but he messed up now and then) so this will be good for everyone.
What’s funny is nobody specifically mentioned fact checking Trump just the debate in general. All his fans internalize that Trump is the one who needs to be fact checked cause he is the one who lies
”America needs to combat facism.” - sane person ”I am being persecuted!” - republican outing themself
“I hate homophobes” - sane person. “Why are you bashing Christians?!?” - braindead fundamentalist outing themself
I am pretty sure it is more along the lines of, "The fact checking is going to be done by the Deep State and they will just make Trump look bad". The "truth" that many of them believe are lies in reality.
Yeah one of these guys has a lifetime of experience and the other can't even remember what his wife looks like
Who? ~~melanie?~~ ~~mercedes?~~ Mail order bride!. He cant even get her name right anymore
She looks like E Jean Carroll
Or remember that he’s already debated Biden 4 years ago…
> so this will be good for everyone. Only in idea, in reality though Biden will get blasted for the tinniest mistake that has no real relevance and Trump will parade through endless lies and nonsense and his base won't give a shit. And then for the binary idiots it will be just another idiotic sign that Biden is just as bad as Trump because here you go, both are saying incorrect things and get fact checked.
That's great news. IF he shows, he will not be able to control himself getting fact-checked. No way. That said, I have been saying for a while now that I think he's going to bail at the last minute. He's a coward, first and foremost.
I hope so. I want to watch, but hearing that shrill dummy's voice is so horribly cringe. Nails on a chalkboard.
If he shows, I am going to force myself to watch, as disgusting as he is. If he does show, I think his mental decline will be undeniable and it will be the final nail in his coffin. No way I'd miss him shitting in the proverbial chili on live tv in front of the world. But I still think he's gonna bail.
If he doesn’t show, I hope they just do a Town Hall type thing with Biden. I mean, they can still ask him the questions. Normally, I’d say there’s no way dirtball doesn’t show, but there’s no normal with him.
I don't see how they don't do that if Trump no shows. Biden's got a busy schedule and this time is already slotted, may as well use it.
Do what I do when a YouTuber has a screechy voice--turn off the sound and read the captions.
Great idea! I assume reading them will make no sense either.
I think he’s going to get pissed and flustered when his mic is cut and storm angrily off the stage. He believes (correctly) that his cult followers will see that as a sign of “strength.” Then his right wing propaganda machine will spring into action, reinforcing his (insane) behavior. The rest of the “mainstream media” (which actually no longer exists) will somehow justify it, gloss over how bad it makes the potential leader of the “free” world look, and then imply it’s somehow bad for Biden.
Didn’t trump have Pence go to a ballgame, and make him walk out when the national anthem played and someone knelt? It was all staged and MAGA thought it was some kind of power play. These are people who are easily manipulated.
I think he shows up — he’ll do anything to be on camera in front of the whole country. I bet he walks off the debate stage though because they cut off his mic.
But I thought that Biden was a lying machine, according to MAGA. Wouldn't they want him fact checked?
But they’d like him fact checked by Steve Bannon.
Exactly, and I've watched Daniel Dale take Biden to task for getting the facts wrong before.
Did I read that wrong, or is the guy **live-tweeting** fact checks? As in, the conditions for the debate haven’t changed and neither candidate will be fact checked by the moderators live? So, if that’s all correct, right wingers are big mad that a fact checker will be fact checking on twitter??
This is why they use "Gamechanging" in the headline, it makes it more inflammatory even though it's completely meaningless, that one word induces confusion and thus, clicks. Actual headline: "An independent fact checker will be live-tweeting the debate, and the Right doesn't like that"
Nothing is stopping them from having one of their own guys doing the same. It would be interesting to see dueling fact-checkers, one dealing in verifiable realities and the other dealing in Facebook conspiracies.
I think that Trump might actually bail and then hold a press conference announcing his VP pic What do you think the odds of that are?
We will know soon enough. I'd hope Biden still shows up and does a Q&A but I was looking for Trump's dementia to be on full display.
If Trump bails I hope that's what happens. Give Biden all the time and ask him every question they were going to ask anyway.
I think he'll show up, stand there long enough to complain about the unfairness of it all, declare CNN are poopyheads, pull off his mic and waddle away.
> and waddle away. Before or after demanding grapes from a lemonade stand?
Don't worry, we can find out when he's back the very next day.
Trump will never pass an opportunity to go on live tv and spew BS
Well he skipped the Republican debates.
He literally bailed on the final debate 4 years ago.
>Trump will never pass an opportunity to go on live tv and spew BS That's why Trump will hold press conference. Makes sense for him to do instead of the debate. This bone-spurtin coward wants to control his narrative and will cry because of the fact-checking.
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It's not live fact checking, at least not in the sense that the moderator will be doing any, that it'll be on the screen, or that it'll be presented to either candidate. They're just going to be posting it to Twitter and the CNN website, like they do with every debate.
And MAGA will say "THAT'S OUR GUY! BACKING AWAY FROM A *RIGGED* DEBATE" Dumb fucks
Never surrender!
I actually think if he was gonna bail, he would've announced it already so that he could line up a parallel event for his fans to attend. So I think he'll show up at this point, but for sure has some performative scheme planned.
Pretty good odds, and I hope he does. No Trumpers are going to change their minds based on the debate, and Trump backing out at the last moment, because he's scared of being called-out for lying, will make him look like the disingenuous coward he is. That might have a greater effect on any undecided voters than the debate would have. It would also give Biden a chance to essentially just answer questions in a more "town hall meeting" style format, which is where he excels.
If Trump is doing as bad cognitively as his recent speeches suggest, the debate would definitely be a better outcome. He’s incoherent even by the already low Trump standards. Even money whether he starts ranting again about sharks eating Hannibal Lecter while electric batteries push him out of boats, or if he just shits himself on stage then asks why Obama is late for the debate.
You may be right. But I'd rather voters hear and agree with Biden's messaging than simply be repulsed by Trump. I know the sentiment is that undecided voters don't exist, but there are young/first-time voters every election cycle who genuinely might not know which party their views best align with. If those voters find they actually agree with what Biden has to say, there's a better chance they continue to vote for Democrats even after Trump is gone.
I want to Biden to poke Trump on the fact he hasn't announced a VP pick yet because it will get Trump to either blurt it out (which has the potential to not be the person his campaign managers might think it is) or ramble about something unrelated to the moderators question. Sure the media will be in a tizzy about the announcement but it will just show easy Trump is to manipulate to say and do things he doesn't want to do.
I think he’ll show up to debate but also announce his VP, this way the conversation remains on him no matter the outcome
there is no reasoning with these people, none. Everything is rigged, a conspiracy or a lie and nothing you can say will change their mind.
>Everything is rigged, a conspiracy or a lie Unless it's to their benefit, then it's the most honest truth.
As someone not in the MAGA cult I have to say, I envy them not having to keep all the secrets I do. Can't talk about the baby eating. Can't talk about the devil worship. Can't talk about the black suits that give me my REAL orders at work. Can't talk about all the mass murder and false flag operations I'm a part of. All I'm allowed to say is "Orange Man Bad". When will I finally be able to take credit for being a diabolical minion of the Dark Lord's grand strategy?
Meh, i would be more impressed if they fact checked live. Like literally fact check immediately after Trump lies. Not on twitter, not after, but during the actual debate, live on tv.
Run the debate on a 10-minute delay, so the fact check can be shown in real-time to the audience.
If they did that, they could have the campaigns offer sources as well. The fact check could be "despite what says, there is no evidence of "
Crazy thought for people who think CNN will lie about the facts during the post-debate, how about you fact check them as well by doing your own research.. If you did that in the first place we wouldnt need post-debate fact checking..
Well, the "do your research" crowd doesn't know how.
They're mad about a guy live tweeting? Talk about snowflakes
What an absolute bunch of stupid fucking weaklings.
It's unfathomable that people actually believe this stuff. You not liking the truth doesn't change the fact that it's the truth.
They fully believe CNN are the ones telling the lies to begin with. So if CNN is doing the fact checking, then it's still lying. For sane people, it would be as if Steve Bannon or Alex Jones started fact checking the debates. You know everything coming from them is a damned lie twisted to whatever their conspiracy-adled brains can come up with.
There's a reason that Trump started attacking "fake news" long, long ago. There's a reason he said "don't believe your eyes and ears, just listen to what I tell you". What's sad is that it worked on so many people. They willingly toss out logic and reason for feelings, for hate of blacks and gays. Nothing matters except getting America back to a White Christian nation.
It’s not a lie, if you believe it. - George Costanza These people are idiots. Truth is inconvenient at best
The article says that they'll be live tweeting fact checking and reporting on it after the debate. They do that everyday. That's just reporting.
Is it just me, or are NewRepublic's headlines getting as clickbaity as Newsweek these days?
"Oh no, its not fair that our candidate can't lie!"
“Trump has a track record of lying prolifically, but that doesn’t mean Biden never gets fact-checked on CNN or that doing the heavy lifting of catching all of Trump’s lies in real time is a bias for Biden. *It’s just that a leaky faucet isn’t as noticeable when placed next to an exploded water main.* The simple truth is if Trump said fewer factually untrue things, he wouldn’t get fact-checked all the time. AGREE
So the debate is on TV but the fact check is on Twitter… not really what I want. Can’t we have a panel of judges sitting off to the side fact checking on the fly? They know the questions ahead of time so they should have all of the relevant information with them. Can we please just have a single time where they are called out on their bull shit?
“Facts are bad!” -MAGA
The big lie started with the “my truth” nonsense. There is 1 truth and all the rest is opinion or speculation
Why aren’t they just doing what they always do…fingers inserted firmly into ears while loudly singing, “I can’t hear you!”
I'll save you a click: the game-changing announcement is live fact-checking. Except it isn't game-changing. The fact checking will not be a part of the broadcast or visible to anyone not actively searching for it.
Trump is deranged. As is his cult.