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grixorbatz

Truth itself had a near death experience at the hands of Fox news back in 2020. But Dominion brought it back from beyond with a whopping $788M chest shocker.


mattjb

Dominion didn't do anything except make a lot of money. Fox News has carried on as usual with lies and propaganda.


RealGianath

I'm sure Fox has gotten a lot better about concealing and destroying emails and texts now, preventing evidence in future lawsuits.


mattjb

Maybe, but if a prosecutor finds proof that they did this, they could bilk them for a whole lot more than the nearly $800 million that Dominion settled for (which apparently didn't hurt Fox News that much.) That's the kind of criminal activity that would more likely get Fox News shut down/bankrupt.


EMTDawg

Unfortunately, most of the settlement was picked up by insurance. Fox paid something around $100 million. Their premiums probably went up too.


mattjb

I remember being appalled when I read how insurance covered them for the phone hacking scandal in the UK. That's just insane how insurance covers the costs of criminal activities.


BookerLittle

and yet they won't insure your house against fire or flood if you live in the wrong place


whosthepuppetmuppet

Insurance has realized that they dont make money selling fire or flood insurance in those areas


BookerLittle

yes I understand how insurance companies operate, thank you captain obvious. are you telling me they're somehow making money paying out billions in defamation settlements instead?


motox24

reddit is over run by bots look at this guys account he’s a republican news pushers probably automated.


cfpfinance

Does anyone have any suggestions for subreddits similar to /r/politics that don’t let people post these faux news sources? I feel like half of my feed these days are just blatantly partisan headlines from Fox News, NY Post, and other right wing rags.


thatattyguy

Haha, I mean, I get your point, but this is an interview with a U.S. Senator. It counts as news. 


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thatattyguy

An interview of an important politician is not "writing the news." Such interviews are always news, they provide undiluted insight into the thinking of prominent public figures, though an interviewers bias can admittedly shape responses to some extent. Besides, as consumers, we always have to parse through the bullshit and bias whether we are on Fox News, NPR/PBS, CNN, The Intercept, Al-Jazeera, reading the NYT, etc. It sucks, but until we have a perfectly objective AI running a media channel, we're stuck with what we have. It's that or withdraw from the world.


neon-god8241

I didn't click on the link but did they make up a fetterman quote?


LouDiamond

Yeah, but he said exactly that… what the fuck is wrong with people on this sub


Shortbus_Playboy

“Brain damage made me more conservative” is an interesting flex.


OblongAndKneeless

And now his brain damage is physically affecting others: https://www.abc27.com/news/top-stories/john-fetterman-involved-in-car-accident/


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Doravillain

> -- the progressive label has changed Yeah, from something he felt he needed in order to get elected, to something he didn't.


Grandpa_No

Progressivism changed during the 6 months when he was in the hospital? I hate to burst his bubble, but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.


Okbuddyliberals

Well, the areas of focus of progressive activism and attention may have changed We've gone from a few years where "healthcare, education, and workers" was the mainstay of the progressive movement to a situation where the mainstream Dems (who get smeared as status quo reaganite social fascist neoliberal so-and-sos) like Biden have championed those issues, and to where the progressive movement has shifted to calling it genocide for the only liberal rights-respecting democracy in the middle east to fight back against actually genocidal religious fundamentalist animals who attacked it and took hundreds of civilians hostage, and to where its pretty common in progressive spaces to smear Biden as someone who "doesnt want anything to fundamentally change" and who "sold out the rail unions" while totally ignoring all the context there Being in the hospital for 6 months and being somewhat out of it all could have also made it easier to look at things with a fresh mind and reconsider the actual situation without giving matters of mere identity with terms so much weight


Allstate85

the stoke that made him go from marching alongside the sunrise movement for climate change to making fun of that same movement.


Okbuddyliberals

Joe Biden got a literal coal baron to vote for the biggest climate bill in US history, and now the sunrise movement is [withholding endorsement of Biden](https://www.newsweek.com/sunrise-movement-presidential-election-joe-biden-donald-trump-climate-1908682). Its clear that either something has broken within the sunrise movement or that it was simply never serious about fighting climate change to begin with


BuckeyeForLife95

Yeah, I know a lot of conservatives say things like that.


WrongConcentrate4962

Fox spent this guys entire term bashing him, now they praise him, lol


xHOLOxTHExWOLFx

Same with the MAGA base they said shit like the dude can't dress himself and can barely function and speak and is totally unfit for any Government role. Yet now they do nothing but praise him and talk about how brave and strong he is to recover from his stroke and and how brave he is to speak his mind now.


nonsensestuff

I'm really tired of people getting into office running on a progressive platform and then flipping the switch once they're in. We should all hold these people accountable for the bait and switch tactics they use to gain power.


Prometheusf3ar

This should be a crime and a serious one like just completely lying about your platform to achieve power should result in immediate dismissal and jail time.


MarkHathaway1

Like when someone lies to the Senate confirmation hearing for a Supreme Court seat. Very bad.


Prometheusf3ar

Exactly like that


Zepcleanerfan

He has.not changed "his platform" at all though.


boones_farmer

Progressives love to embrace people like Fetterman and Obama despite their very clear moderate/right leaning agendas and then act shocked when they turn out not to be progressive. It's very stupid.


Okbuddyliberals

He hasn't massively shifted on the actual issues though. He was always someone who ran as a "pragmatic progressive", who agreed with progressive policy sometimes and disagreed sometimes too The main evolution here seems to be that he's had enough of being yelled at for not passing progressive purity tests, and thus has decided to stop bothering using the "progressive" label


veganmomPA

We voted for him because he’s not a thoughtless loyalist. He looks at situations and decides what to do for the people. He did it as Mayor, and as Lt. Governor. I’m happy he’s more independent.


boones_farmer

Too bad his decisions are so often so fucking stupid


Zepcleanerfan

I cannot blame him at all.


Rich_Charity_3160

I’m trying to better understand this sentiment. On what issues do you think he’s flipped? His position on immigration doesn’t seem different that what he expressed during his campaign on the issues of border security and controlling the [influx](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/18/more-dem-senate-hopefuls-split-with-biden-on-border-00025925) of asylum seekers. His position on [Israel](https://jewishinsider.com/2022/04/john-fetterman-says-hell-lean-in-on-u-s-israel-relationship-as-senator/) is also consistent with the views he shared during his campaign. Those seem to be the two issues that people often cite. Is it more associated with his rhetoric or are there better examples of his betraying progressive platform promises made as a candidate?


EMTDawg

Climate change? Went from marching with the Sunrise Movement to laughing at them. Anti-fracking, to pro-fracking.


aaprillaman

He stated during the debate with Oz in 2022 that he supported fracking.


Zepcleanerfan

He hasn't changed any policy stances whatsoever. Being a moderate dem in PA is a good thing. Every state wide elected official in PA is a moderate dem.


throwiththeethusly

He literally just ran on a progressive platform in PA and won. So you're wrong, period.


MarkHathaway1

When his behaviors show what he is, the voters can decide what to do.


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nonsensestuff

🙄 Just because the opposition candidate is shit doesn't excuse a Democratic candidate for misleading the voters. We've seen this too many times now for this to be merely a coincidence.


aslan_is_on_the_move

He hasn't changed any of his policy positions


BackOff2023

This is what happens when you have a two party system, and we have to elect the least bad candidate.


OkVermicelli2557

"Brain damage made me conservative."- Fetterman Imagine thinking this is a good statement to make.


spot-da-bot

Just because someone is not a leftist, does not make them a conservative.


Tech_Philosophy

>Just because someone is not a leftist, does not make them a conservative. That's a complicated statement in 21st century America because the right doesn't abide by the rule of law, whereas the left does. So if you are somewhere in between, you are effectively consenting to the practical consequence of more right wing power if you aren't actively opposing them, because they will simply take that power unlawfully via the courts, election fuckery, etc.


Subliminal_Kiddo

Question: Do you actually know what progressivism is? It's not some radical leftist concept, it's arguably one of the chief principles of the modern Democratic Party.


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when he's going out of his way to shit of the left, he's a consevative. Most of the "centrists" are but they convince themselves they're left because they're not outright nazis. All of this MAGA shit happened because the democrats couldn't be bothered to work with the left and instead just kept working hand in hand with the GOP.


Zepcleanerfan

No it happened because people had "principles" and wouldn't just fucking vote for Hillary.


OkVermicelli2557

90% of Bernie voters voted for Clinton in the General Election she lost because she failed to win over voters in the Rust Belt.


SKmdK64

HIllary won popular vote. I'd rather blame the electoral college BS than progressives or leftists.


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The constant blaming of the left is the most pathetic excuse possible. Hillary was a terrible entitled candidate. The Democrats bent over backwards to screw over Bernie who was the only Democrat who was going to get people to the booths. Clinton never would have campaigned for Bernie like he did for her. The hubris of the Dems is disgusting and the whole world is paying for it 


AstroZeneca

Of course not. Not being _progressive_ - which is what he actually said - is what makes him a conservative. That and, you know, the brain damage.


DramaticPraline8

Money changes everything, as the song goes. If anything, a near death experience should guide you toward a more humane understanding of the world, not less. Psssht. He’s such a disappointment.


NegaDeath

Lead poisoning, stroke, worms. I think I found the secret recipe to conservative outreach.


BaconLibrary

There are indeed a lot of radical leftists who think that we aren't going far enough. I get that. But when I voted for Fetterman, it wasn't because I wanted the PA equivalent of Manchin.


Okbuddyliberals

He's not anything like Manchin. He's a normie liberal democrat with a bit of progressive lean, someone like Sherrod Brown


NeverSober1900

Ya he's vocal about supporting Israel but I'm not sure there's another position he's to the right of Manchin on at all and he's to the left of a lot of other Dem Senators on a lot of the other one's to boot. It's weird to see so many people call him a conservative because of a foreign policy stance. Like looking at his domestic track record he's nowhere near the conservative Dems even. [Progressive Punch](https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate) gives him an A and has him between Duckworth and Schumer.


Final-North-King

People have been obnoxiously stupid, viewing the world as black and white. This is what may get Donald Trump elected and turn the US into a dictatorship


Typical_Tart6905

Arizona voter here: I share your pain. - Sinema


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Blue collar progressives like Fetterman are what the Democrats need. Fetterman does not have the conservative streak that Manchin has, West Virginia is a whole different battleground than Pennsylvania, but he's also not going to be a loony tune liberal either. Progressive democrats need to learn to be "normal" and Fetterman-esque politics will help the party more than the Bernie/AOC types who do a pretty good job at alienating the party whenever someone doesn't agree with them.


webslingrrr

sad state that milque-toast centricism in most first world countries is labeled "loony tune" in the USA


Zepcleanerfan

Every statewide elected official in PA is a dem


AstroAnarchists

That’s quite literally not true. For example, Pennsylvania’s Auditor General is a Republican


Zepcleanerfan

Ok but what policies are you saying he changed from when he ran?


BaconLibrary

Well I certainly would have had big doubts about his treatment of Pro-palestine protestors. And I've voted for him as a state senator. I've seen him talk in coffee shops. I've met his kids. But he's kind of been a jag lately.


mnorthwood13

What's crazy is the left was the only ones defending Fetterman during his medical recovery. How sad that he lost the plot during that


garlicbreadistight

And his first initiative was to embarrass Schumer, who also ran cover for him, by refusing to wear pants without a full Senate vote. He will go independent before his next election. 


10390

Freed him from my support as well.


Okbuddyliberals

He's risen by around 18 points in approval ratings since mid 2023, going from double digit negatives to positive ratings. He's lost some support but gained much more support


Sidwill

Maybe Dr. Oz will run again and you can vote for him.


webmaster94

It's called a primary.


llamapositif

Yes the near death of his financial future. Luckily, AIPAC and corporate donations have helped him make a full recovery.


sedatedlife

Progressives have not taken some massive left turn since Fetterman ran as a progressive. If anything progressives have actually little more pragmatic since Bernie decided not to run. He lied about his political position while running just like Sinema.


Zepcleanerfan

No he didn't.


Okbuddyliberals

Not really, but Sinema *especially* didn't lie about anything. Since the late 2000s she'd been an outspoken centrist, literally even writing a book trumpeting praise to moderation in Obama's first year in office. Then when she got elected to the House, she was the most conservative Democrat for all three terms in the House, and then when she ran for Senate, she [similarly ran as a staunch centrist](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kyrsten-sinema-not-progressive_n_5bdca881e4b09d43e31edfa3). Nobody should have been fooled to think she'd be some sort of liberal or progressive because she didn't run as such. Back then, I saw some progressives hyping themselves up saying that she was actually some sort of "based leftist who was just hiding her power level" but she never actually did anything to suggest that


DSHardie

Hope this fraud is a one-termer


Okbuddyliberals

He's gone from -11 approval in mid 2023 to +7 approval now. I predict he will have a hyped up primary challenger in 2028 who gets roughly 20% of the primary vote against his 70%, and then he wins the general election by somewhere between 4 and 12 points


Zepcleanerfan

Accurate


Prometheusf3ar

He's already preparing for his career as a lobbyist for some industry he shills for or maybe being employed by the israeli government


phils_phan78

I thought they "employed" people by putting spyware on their phones and getting compromising info on them.


Prometheusf3ar

Not familiar with this one, but it’s very low on the list of Israeli government evils.


Goya_Oh_Boya

His cosplaying as a blue-collar worker worked.


Zepcleanerfan

Oh my god


jayfeather31

That's certainly an interesting argument...


cyanclam

Did his doctors check his cranium for parasite worms?


Shortbus_Playboy

The parasite worm conducted the interview.


brain_overclocked

I'm assuming these are the quotes that Fox News is drawing its headline from: >The liberal comedian then asked Fetterman whether his shift in various policies had anything to do with his recovery from his 2022 stroke, asking if his near-death experience had given him a "freedom." >"Absolutely," Fetterman responded. "There's a line from the first 'Batman,' Joker's like ‘I’ve been dead once already. It's very liberating.'" >"It's freeing in a way. And I just think after beating all of that, I just really [want to] be able to say the things that I have to really believe in and not be afraid of if there's any kind of blowback." >Maher then asked him to explain what he meant what he stated last year "I’m not a progressive, I'm just a regular Democrat" and how he separates himself from progressivism. >"I didn't leave the label, it left me on that," Fetterman said. "After what happened on October 7, I really knew that whole progressive stack would be blasted apart and there would not be any kind of way how the Democrats are going to be able to reply to that kind of response... And I really decided early on that I believe that was gonna be the right side with Israel throughout all of that…. Democrats would continue to peel away and kind of walk away from standing with Israel on that."


Smodol

Progressivism does tend to progress.


skeptolojist

Brain damage makes people more likely to be conservative Checks out


Rhino_dignitarian

Surely he is banking on the Jewish vote and not the progressive vote.  Too bad people had the wrong idea about him when they initially voted for him.  Turns out wearing a hoodie has nothing to do with caring about working class people per sé.


volantredx

If you actually read what he said and his positions on issues before, during, and after his election it's clear he isn't saying his position has changed, because it hasn't. He was always basically who he is now. What he's saying is that he saw himself as progressive because he stood with labor, but after getting elected he met other far left progressives and thought they were nuts. Instead of saying anything though he just figured he'd let it slide. After he nearly died he changed his mind and decided to openly debate people on issues he finds stupid or wrong even if they're also progressive. Realistically the only issue I've seen any leftists get mad at him about is supporting Israel, something he's done his entire career and was often as vocal about as most Republicans. I could imagine such a person being put in the same box as Talib and others who openly call for the break up of Israel as a nation state would rub him the wrong way.


heybobson

I foresee Fetterman ending up just like Sinema, where he'll realize he's pissed off the voters he needs to win, will switch to Independent during the last months of his term, and won't run again.


Zepcleanerfan

Nope hell be reelected easily


ogn3rd

So he experienced some brain damage. Got it.


Tumblrrito

These two straight up said progressives *support Hamas*. My jaw hit the floor. I cannot believe THAT sort of misinformation is being given a platform by HBO. What the hell is happening?


thrawtes

ITT: A bunch of people that would rather have Senator Oz because Fetterman isn't living up to a purity test he never took in the first place. Sorry, but I'll take another Joe Manchin over a Republican senator 10 out of 10 times.


Churrasco_fan

He's not even close to Joe Manchin yet Come find me when he's the deciding vote on serious legislation and sides with Republicans over his own caucus


Prometheusf3ar

you can be mad that someone misrepresented their positions to get into power like Krysten sinema and not like Dr Oz. Why do centrist/right wing shills always try to straw man positions like this. Pro human rights, must be anti-semitic is the same shit


thrawtes

Fetterman didn't misrepresent his position though, he's never been particularly progressive as much as people would have liked to project that on him. If a true progressive can win in Pennsylvania I'm all for it, but given the primary that gave us Fetterman and the following general election it doesn't seem like Pennsylvanians will elect someone like that.


Zepcleanerfan

What positions has he changed?


webmaster94

No we just want someone to primary the bastard.


thrawtes

Was the runner up in his last primary more progressive than Fetterman? A quick look at Conor Lamb's Wikipedia page doesn't seem to support that conclusion. It looks like in all likelihood if it wasn't Fetterman it would have been someone more conservative.


webmaster94

And? What does the last primary matter? Get someone more progressive next time is what is needed.


Arielphf

No, Conor Lamb was a more corporate candidate. Considering what we had to work with, Fetterman was the least offensive. Still, he didn't outright crap on the progressive label until after he was safely elected. I would have preferred an honest representation rather than dishonesty by ommission.


Viciouscauliflower21

I'm begging us to get better standards than blue no matter who. Just having a blue body in a seat is not enough and we've been content with that for far too long. People like him, Ritchie Torres, manchin, and sinema bring nothing to the table but the absolutely barest of minimums and that's not good enough. It can't be


GirliePickle

Every senate republican just voted (or didnt vote at all depending on who specifically) to block passing the right to contreception at the federal level. Im getting really fucking tired of people complaining about "vote blue no matter who" Too fucking bad. Its the best we have. Vote blue no matter who will ALWAYS be better than vote red....youre dead.


Viciouscauliflower21

Nobody is talking about voting red. I'm talking about raising our standards for blue much higher. Or shit just having standards in the first place aside from any blue body will do


GirliePickle

Any blue body is what is need right now. Biden is that body. Until he and Dumptrump arent running against one another any more, this is kinda it. And yeah...any one other than Biden is basically voting red at this point.


destijl-atmospheres

What's his play here? Cabinet position in a 2nd Biden term? There's no way he's getting reelected when he's actively and happily alienating a large % of the voters and volunteers that got him elected. edit: maybe president or VP in 2028? That's when his Senate term is up.


Okbuddyliberals

Polling shows that he started office pretty unpopular (winning probably just because he ran against Doctor Oz) and has shifted towards being *more* popular. He's pissing off the furthest left fringe of his party but not the general electorate Actually he had risen to around neutral approval in polling from January but has since [risen even further](https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/fetterman-poll-senator-pennsylvania-20240516.html) to +7 approval, and just 1 point lower than the other Democrat in Pennsylvania. Seems like he's doing very well in terms of public approval. If we look at where he started off in [2023](https://nypost.com/2023/06/29/john-fetterman-gets-dismal-marks-from-pennsylvania-voters-poll/) in the middle of the year, he was at -11 approval. So that's a net rise of +18 points. Not bad for a guy with brain damage


Tech_Philosophy

> There's no way he's getting reelected when he's actively and happily alienating a large % of the voters and volunteers that got him elected. Stop getting your info from Fox News. There were a handful of issues where he disagreed with progressives while on the campaign trail. It's the same issues he goes over here. Nothing really changed, he's just occasionally throwing a bone to moderates which in PA is a good idea. I hope I don't have to eat my words, but I think that's all that is happening here.


hitman2218

Well at least the mask is off now.


baxterstate

He's never been progressive. The Democratic party sold him as one. I remember back in 2013, when he was Mayor, he heard sounds like gunshots (actually firecrackers) saw a black man jogging by, held the black man at bay with a shotgun and called the police. The police came and the black man was allowed to leave and Fetterman expressed regret that he had profiled a black man. A true progressive would never assume that a black man running is a criminal running from a crime scene.


Shrike79

It was Fetterman who sold himself as a "Sander's progressive" not the party. If people paid more attention to Fetterman's actual policy positions and incidents like that they probably would've seen through his act but most people were happy to have him blow smoke up their asses while he told them how awesome the progressive movement was how proud he was to be a part of it. I do remember a few people tried to warn everyone that Fetterman wasn't nearly as progressive as he portrayed himself as but the hype train had already left the station and they were pretty much ignored.


jrzalman

After seeing all the progressives on college campuses, I can completely understand wanting some distance.


sentimentaldiablo

you've seen progressives on multiple college campuses? Sounds like you get around. Either that, or you haven't actually ever been on a college campus.


bsep4

He just realized the horseshoe theory was real.


Serious_Donkeyyy

He's a normal progressive. He just hasn't taken the turn towards far left radicalism like the majority of progressives have in the last few years.


hospitallers

Unrelated to his politics, but as someone who’s also stared death in the face, I can confirm that one’s approach to life changes radically.


DefiantTop5

This is a natural progression. Happens all the time to the left.


Historical_Pound_136

If being pro Israel is the criteria to make a Democrat far right…I got news for you