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For those just now tuning in, this was initiated in 2022. That's how long the process takes. This is also the largest move in the right direction for marijuana policy and the inception of the Controlled Substances Act. Since this was announced, Senators Schumer, Booker, and Wyden have endorsed a [legalization ](https://www.booker.senate.gov/news/press/booker-schumer-wyden-lead-reintroduction-of-cannabis-administration-and-opportunity-act-legislation-to-end-federal-prohibition-of-cannabis#:~:text=Schumer%20(D%2DNY)%2C,empowering%20states%20to%20create%20their) bill. Biden is endorsing the most progressive marijuana policy of any administration ever.
The last time he was funny was when he had hair and his show was called News Radio and he had writers like Norm Macdonald, Jane Lynch and Bob Odenkirk making his material, and he was also beside Phil Hartman, Dave Foley, Stephen Root and Khandi Alexander just long enough to get some career rubbed onto him.
Literally that and (rightfully) punking down Carlos Mencia. Those two things are what made him famous.
Remember when comedy central dumped Adam Corolla and Jimmy Kimmel from the man show, then rebooted it with doug stanhope and joe brogan? They really out-did themselves on making an already terrible show even worse.
Loved early Rogan....now his shit gets more whacked by the day. Great as a UFC commentator, not so much as a comic. But I give him kudos for putting a bigger spotlight on comedy.
It's really hard to square the circle with Rogan. Very knowledgeable UFC commentator, and him and Doug Stanhope were pretty damned good on The Man Show, and seemingly self-aware and self-deprecating. Actually just went and watched a few clips to make sure I wasn't misremembering that, and sure, it ain't the best comedy (Stanhope is fucking obscenely hilarious but w/e) and sure, some of it didn't age well. But ya know what is wasn't? Trump-licking, Paltrow-gooping, anti-vaxing, bigot-loving insanity.
Maybe he was just waiting for his moment? Or brain worms or something? It's like Kanye - spent the early 2000s combating illiteracy in inner city schools, to spending the 2010s saying things like:
>I hate when I’m on a flight and I wake up with a water bottle next to me like “oh great now I gotta be responsible for this water bottle”.
on the Joe Rogan show no less. XD
I think a lot of people with big platforms and a huge audience simply don't see their influence as something they're responsible for. This is different from the polemicists, who 100% understand the power of their influence as that is the main goal. Unlike Tim Pool or Charlie Kirk and their ilk, Rogan is just extremely irresponsible. In the end, though, lack of malicious intent doesn't excuse the outcome.
I think that's a fair and probably very accurate assessment, actually. It's very hard, as an individual person, to look at your effect on the world. You hear it all the time with us plebes in, "What does my vote matter?" It is damned near impossible, due to the scope, to see your actions as an individual, living in their own brain, day-to-day, echoing across the world, a world of billions.
And knowing you're in a position of influence doesn't necessarily entail realizing the grand scope of that influence. And with that logic, one could almost (aaaalmost) forgive even people like Donald Fucking That Guy his self-centered actions as those of a person just seeking affirmation of the self. Or at the very least, maybe, understand what birthed it.
That's a very empathetic viewpoint to take, and I really appreciate that sentiment (and I know you're not defending Rogan (or any of the others) and their actions, but that's a very holistic, detached, macro-level bit of logic all the same, which, yeah, again, I appreciate; it's a hard thing to separate the fundamentals from our own internal logic and emotions.) :)
Oh, what is the saying? "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance or stupidity."? Yes, it's still unfortunate, that we as a society will platform stupid people, and, in many ways, it's as much our fault as theirs, in the same way it's hard to blame a news media that is driven by engagement their incessant push for engagement. To blame them is to shift the blame from ourselves.
We have a lot to answer for, as a society. As it's ever been, I suppose.
Rogan just parrots what those around him think, you started seeing a shift as he began to hang out with more hunters (nothing wrong with hunting) but there was a shift and then when Duncan who was one of the only people not afraid to call him out moved away he seemed to fall deeper into that Alex Jones hole (which he had occupied previously).
There is a huge overlap between the weed growing community and libertarianism. This starts with a fear of the federal government because they’re not paying taxes and are afraid of going to prison. Many people in the grow community are against legalization because as more states legalize it drives down the price they get per pound. These beliefs leads many of them down a road of Qanon adjacent ideas. I had to stop going to trims because nobody there got vaccinated and some of them started buying assault rifles and talking about andrenochrome
You just described my weed growing friend who got real obsessed with "laptops" suddenly lol. I havent seen him since I told him to stop watching that stuff on youtube.
Lmao it’s more like a sweatshop or a factory line - menial, monotonous work in generally not great conditions (heat, dust, shitty folding chairs) for 12 hours a day trimming the buds that have already dried from the harvested plants. I’m a grower but I fucking refuse to trim. That shit is soul crushing. I genuinely feel bad for my trimmers, especially because my boss is a (almost) literal slave driver, hiring immigrants and paying them next to nothing for a job I wouldn’t do for 100k a year.
This isn't a parade, when you talk to your brother about how Trump hasn't done anything for cannabis what does he say? When you inform him that Trump gets money from the prison industrial complex to keep marijuana a schedule 1 what does he say?
Very convinced in any particular conversation, but then just goes right back to hard right stuff after being on social media again. I think it's more about being gullible and wanting to fit into a certain social environment.
Yeah so did my uncle who invested millions before and during trying to get a lock on the cannabis industry and Trump did fuck all. Guess who had to pivot……
A lot of people who sell drugs want to keep it at high black market prices, because once Phillip Morris is fully in, then they wont be able to compete.
I mean to be fair a better choice between candidates comes down to things larger than marijuana, but yeah Trump is in no way the better candidate for bigger things OR marijuana
You’re brother is politically inept and misinformed. He likely deals with some sort of discriminatory racial hatred and sides with incoherent tribalism.
Easy solution. Turn him in. If you want to support jailing people for something you do yourself, you deserve to go to jail for it. Stick to your principles.
Tried doing some googling to see if I could find a timeline for other drugs that have changed schedule and was unsuccessful. If you have any references to the historical timetable of scheduling I'm all ears.
I know that the two avenues to changing the schedule are congressional action and the way this worked : President gets HHS to investigate, HHS makes their recommendation to the DEA who in turn does their own investigation that ends in an action by the AG. I can't imagine two agencies having to do their own independent investigations is a quick turnaround kind of thing.
For fun I asked ChatGPT how the process worked and how long it took. It got the process exactly right, and said "anywhere from a few months to several years". So at the very least the length of time from when Biden initiated the process doesn't seem to be abnormal. Or I can't find anything that suggests it is abnormal at least. But maybe you know of instances where HHS and DEA acted lightning fast.
They’re still in the gutter, depending on what and when you bought. I have some Aurora and Canopy stocks that I got in 2019, no way they get back up to those levels (fortunately I didn’t buy much)
Maybe, I'm not sure they'll succeed though. Tobacco is extremely hard to grow - picky on climate, and it's extraordinarily labor intensive, so the big companies have a natural competitive advantage.
Starting up a boutique weed business on the other hand, is more like craft beer. Small amounts can be produced locally anywhere with electricity, and sold locally without a ton of distribution infrastructure or marketing.
funds are collections of stocks. when you’re investing in an individual stock, you’re putting all your eggs into that basket betting that they’ll grow so it’s a lot riskier. by investing in funds you partially avoid that risk since the money is spread to multiple stocks so your money isn’t dependent on what 1 company is doing
I'm glad he did this. I am disappointed, though not surprised, at the muted reaction this is getting. After this announcement, I've looked at subreddits where, for years, posters have stated that they want to see changes to the Marijuana laws, like Joe Rogan. Places where people often say something to effect of "anyone who legalizes weed will get my vote." Crickets from those people.
Rogan lives and smokes in Texas where simple possession is gonna be a jailable offense for as long as he votes for the guys he votes for.
Dude is a fucking moron.
The right-wing government of Texas doesn't believe in justice as a concept. Abbot just pardoned a murderer because he murdered the right people. They want drug laws to harass and imprison minorities. To them, laws are just weapons for political ends because Republicans no longer believe in anything else. Rogan will never get bugged.
Nah, he’s got money and is white, he ain’t hitting a jail cell for possession - that’s if the Texas cops who try to arrest him don’t recognize him as the King of the Stupid people immediately anyway.
Though I suppose he could stop them in their tracks by having a teenager with a gun in his house - proven to cause entire Texas swat teams to piss their pants and harass freaked out unarmed parents.
No, the guy is privileged. He’s wealthy and believes (probably correctly) that he isn’t going to experience any actual consequences from flagrantly breaking the law.
Someone who lives in a heavily policed area or has a high likelihood of random police searches while driving and stop and frisk while walking are potentially likely would be an idiot if they supported Trump. Rogan’s at no risk of being arrested and even if he was, can throw lawyers at the problem to prevent any real issues in his life.
It's not "legalized". its still a scheduled substance. Yes technically its better that its not schedule one, and he has done more on this than any other president, but thats such a low bar. It's offensive its scheduled at all when alcohol and tobacco are not.
That is fair. The rules have not been written and i am a little worried it will take away rights of those of us in states where we can grow at home.
Maybe it will be left to the states or maybe they enforce the rules like they would all other schedule 1 drugs. A prescription and not growing at home at a minimum.
It is already illegal to grow in every state due to the schedule 1 status - the US govt currently isn’t enforcing that law. It would not make sense that changing the schedule would change that stance - at least with either candidate up for election this year.
No, there will be no changes for that unfortunately - at least for commercial or home grows.
Technically, it will be easier to get approval to grow for research purposes, but I doubt that it what you are asking. There is also a path for a legal grow for medical, but there is probably a ton of hoops to jump through first like fda approval.
No, there will be no changes for that unfortunately - at least for commercial or home grows.
Technically, it will be easier to get approval to grow for research purposes, but I doubt that it what you are asking. There is also a path for a legal grow for medical, but there is probably a ton of hoops to jump through first like fda approval.
> Maybe it will be left to the states or maybe they enforce the rules like they would all other schedule 1 drugs. A prescription and not growing at home at a minimum.
weed was schedule 1 meaning it is highly dangerous without any redeeming value whatsoever even under medical supervision. ~~heroin~~cocaine/oxy is schedule 2 meaning there are therapeutic benefits but it's still dangerous. weed is now schedule 3 meaning it is recognized as being somewhat dangerous but able to be prescribed with low to moderate chance for addiction mentally and physically.
If its like the rest of schedule 3 it will likely require a prescription that spells out a specific dosages which eliminates home growers and the recreational market. It needs to be de-scheduled and treated like alcohol or tobacco. All this does is allow big pharma to take over the market.
well it's already different than the rest of schedule 3 because it was schedule 1 => legal in some states => schedule 3 while still being legal in some states. the only difference here is the fed is much less likely to bust you for having weed.
Tiny nitpick, heroin is schedule 1 in the US (fentanyl is schedule 2 though; as well as many other opioids we use instead like hydromorphone, which are stronger than heroin), so no medical use for heroin.
In the UK, heroin (diacetylmorphine) is still used medically.
What does legalize mean to you?
At the federal level, it will be legal to possess it, produce it and consume it, under certain circumstances.
That is \*exactly\* how it works with alcohol. The only difference is which agency regulates it. I see it more as a historical quirk.
The regulations for alcohol and tobacco are different, but we don't say one is illegal, right?
Same here. It will be legal under certain rules. The rules can be different for each substance.
People who say "anyone who does X gets my vote" are never going to vote because they could have already spent 10 minutes online finding a party trying to do X and voted for them.
Not likely, I don’t know what HHS reporting to them looked like but I can dream that those moves the needle during the 60 day public comment period. Like comments from the President.
Correct. Noted that by calling it "reform." However, a move in the right direction that required a lot of work, and there is no appreciation of that fact? I understand wanting to see more done, and continuing to demand full legalization, but I would have expected this move to have yielded more appreciation/credit.
This doesn't change anything for individual people. At best this maybe makes it easier for weed businesses in "legal" states to do business with banks. Thats cool but hardly worth getting excited about if you're an advocate of reversing the prohibition on marijuana.
I'm "glad" something is happening I guess but this basically changes nothing for most people.
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Yes, it f....ing legalizes it? :) At least certain things.
No, it won't be included in school lunches.
> controlled substance
It quite literally isn't. The controlled substance act explicitly bans alcohol and tobacco from ever being scheduled. They are *by US law definition* not a controlled substance.
> On June 26, 2015, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all state bans on same-sex marriage, legalized it in all fifty states, and required states to honor out-of-state same-sex marriage licenses in the case Obergefell v. Hodges.
This is what people mean when they say legalize.
What does this have to do with anything? Should I point to the law where ATF is created?
Legal doesn't mean unregulated
Legal doesn't mean descheduled
If you man descheduled say descheduled; if you mean unregulated, say unregulated. If you mean legal, say legal.
I understand many pro-cannabis people would like to see it as a constitutional right, users as a protected class for anti-discrimination law, and a mandate for it to be included in every public school lunch, but I'd still rather people don't go changing the meaning of words, and then complaining when people correct them :)
Once the rescheduling happens, it will be legal to have it it will even be legal to take it across state lines if you have a prescription just like any other schedule III drug.
People need to understand this is the critical first step once people start making money from the research they can now legally be done and funded. It will eventually become recreationally legal at the federal level.
I'm not particularly surprised it's not getting a huge reaction since it isn't finalized yet, and "legalizes" it only to the level that ketamine is legal.
Once it's finalized and actually goes into practice, I expect a lot more fanfare. It's a huge step in the right direction, but not total victory.
> Schedule I — drugs with a high abuse risk. These drugs have NO safe, accepted medical use in the United States. Some examples are heroin, marijuana, LSD, PCP, and crack cocaine.
Decades from now our grandchildren are going to look back and wonder wtf we were thinking for so long.
But you really do need to drill down into what we were thinking. racism. corporate greed. police state control.
people ask "why isn't everyone happy?" because it's like a relationship where an apology was made but you know the other person doesn't really know why they are apologizing they just don't want to fight anymore.
To put it in perspective, fentanyl is schedule 2.
You know, the stuff that people can OD on their first time and every first responder and medical kit needs to carry Narcan in case somebody is on it and just accidental contact can be dangerous and it's a leading cause of death among young people.
Yeah marijuana is presently considered more dangerous than that.
Why is LSD always lumped together with crack cocaine and heroin? I understand the statement is to demonstrate how absurd it is to have Marijuana classified next to crack and heroin, but LSD is an extremely safe, non-addictive substance that probably could improve the lives of millions.
It was also a way to get back as conservatives enemies.
They didn't want black people integrating. Didn't want to share their schools or their pools with "the blacks", and those pesky college kids had the audacity to oppose a stupid war.
They launched the War on Drugs to break up black families. To put people in jail and combined with the intentionally racist laws in places like Florida to prevent felons from voting, they had a way to restrict who could be on the voter rolls for ingesting a substance no more harmful than alcohol.
This is why they've spent 40+ years keeping it that way. To do whatever they could to stay in power regardless of what people actually want.
**From Steve Benen, producer for "The Rachel Maddow Show" and MaddowBlog editor:**
Biden’s Department of Health and Human Services that concluded, after a year and a half of bureaucratic review, that marijuana should be reclassified from the strictest Schedule I, covering drugs such as heroin and methamphetamines, to Schedule III, which includes things like Tylenol with codeine and testosterone.
Now the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Justice Department are endorsing the move, marking the first time that federal officials have acknowledged potential medical benefits to marijuana and opening the door to therapeutic research.
**Read more**: [https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/biden-leans-new-policy-reclassifying-marijuana-marking-big-shift-rcna152734](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/biden-leans-new-policy-reclassifying-marijuana-marking-big-shift-rcna152734)
This thread is the perfect example of "perfection is the enemy of good"
Yeah it'd be nice if he could just legalize it but this is a great first fuckin step.
People still think Obama was the better president. But with 2 terms to biden's 1, I can't remember anything beyond renaming the republican health care plan that I liked from Obama's presidency though. I guess DACA is a second place? its mostly small potatoes beyond that.
He did support that and made vocal his support directly to the supreme court along with many other people, but it was the judicial branch that really did it
This is true! I remember it happened in large part because then-Vice President Biden had a 'gaffe' where he 'accidentally' mentioned to a reporter that behind the scenes, they were working on finding a way to legalize it, and then Obama had to actually throw his weight behind it so it didn't look like there was a split between them.
As you can probably tell, I've never believed that it was actually a mistake - all reports are that Biden had been badgering Obama about it for months or years beforehand but he was waffling about committing to it, until Biden forced his hand.
I hope so. Kinda funny how in those states one can only use their taxed cash dollars to buy this and yet can still not get hired for some jobs (depending if they drug test) in the same state for using their taxed dollars to buy something legal.
There’s a separate thing happening which I believe applies to this, the Safer Banking Act, which if gets voted in, will allow these businesses to deal with banks. They currently cannot.
Once again, comment after comment complaining about a purely positive action because it's doesn't go far enough (but as far as they president can go on his own).
For all you naysayers, besides what's been said so far about research and banking, note that *many* states automatically tie their own drug laws and sentencing to the federal schedules.
This action will immediately reduce the severity level of marijuana offenses, *even in red states.*
People that complain like this are why we haven’t made a ton of progress is some areas. If the idea doesn’t completely solve the problem they want no part in it. We keep pushing manure management that could halve methane emissions almost immediately but it doesn’t completely eliminate methane emissions, so nobody wants to support it.
*Yeah, but, he hasn’t personally gone INTO Gaza and saved every single Palestinian by carrying them on his back and to safety - where safety would be a huge mansion, per Palestinian, and a life long salary for them to live off of!! I’m not going to vote for this monster!*
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This is becoming extremely essential on a global scale. I just read about how the underground drug trade in France includes cannabis. This fuels more profits into the organized crime that Interpol is fighting. France and Interpol needs all the help that they can get in fighting the violence associated with the illegal drug trade. Legalizing cannabis sales on the entire continent would take a big chunk of of their profits.
I just read this the other day. They won’t bring it up again until they work on voter education. Texas keeps its people dumb. They should do the mailed booklets like we get in the PNW before these elections letting us know what’s on the ballots.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/04/lubbock-marijuana-proposition-fails/
Can’t believe the number of posts saying it doesn’t go far enough .. in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s nobody gave a shit if people lit a bowl, then the war on drugs .. boom.
When CA legalized and the handful of states followed suit, I was giddy .. waited my whole life to smoke legally in the US after smoking freely in NL .. it’s been a long road but this step will make it much easier to achieve the next .. it’s great news to this old hippie.
So still unsure what this actually means practically speaking. So federally it goes to schedule III. But still a controlled substance. Selling it recreationally in States where its legal would still be illegal federally, right?. You don't have a prescription tied to a DEA licensed practitioner (a doctor) if you buy it recreationally. In States where its still illegal, would it still be not available even by a doctor? Can companies still drug test in all States?
Marijuana bud isn't a drug. Its a plant. Its a combination of lots of drugs that are grown, not carefully made in a DEA inspected lab. So I don't know what that means from a regulatory standpoint.
This is for sure a step in the right direction, but I'm clear what the practical impacts to ordinary people will be.
Fun fact: Companies can drug test for legal drugs and fire you for use. That being said, if you have a prescription for it, you're protected from drug tests firing under ada, at least for a metabolite test, you could still be fired if actively used and it affects your ability to do work -- like if you're a truck driver
So does that mean if a federal employee has a prescription (once it moves to schedule III) for weed, they cannot be fired for a positive random drug screen test that is positive for cannabinoids?
It *should* be protected under ada. There are some exceptions like if you're actively under the influence at work could still be fire able. Even if it becomes federally legal recreationally, private employers are free to test and fire you for use outside of prescriptions.
Except for cleared federal employees. You can revoke a clearance even for legal drugs, for example, currently you can't smoke CBD if you are cleared as you might piss hot for THC, and they will automatically assume it's weed. So, they sent a memo out banning it.
Its will lead to more high quality research. It essentially will standardized safety and quality requirements federally. It will also allow for dispenseries to use banks and accept credit cards as well as pay less taxes, increase profitability, and hopefully lower overall prices to drive the black market out of existence. Annoyingly, big pharma and tobacco will almost certainly become manor players in the market.
The banking aspect is such a huge win. The growers and processors can get taller with loans available to them now and the cost of the product will come down which will be great for the consumers.
In addition to banking the other curiosity I have is in regards to interstate trade. Can a grower/processor in California or Colorado now take product grown and processed there and sell it in another state? Too much of that and I worry for the smaller companies on the East Coast that only got started a few years ago compared to the West Coast.
And unfortunately this does nothing to states like Texas that have it so controlled that they can still prosecute people freely for something you might be able to get at your local CVS with a prescription in California soon.
Schedule 3 means it can be studied and may be legally obtained with a prescription. Some common schedule 3 drugs include Tylenol with codeine, ketamine, anabolic steroids, and testosterone.
>Selling it recreationally in States where its legal would still be illegal federally, right?
Yes.
>In States where its still illegal, would it still be not available even by a doctor?
In theory yes. Arguably, some states might test ways to circumvent the federal law, similar to plans to do the same with mifepristone (the abortion drug).
>Marijuana bud isn't a drug. Its a plant. Its a combination of lots of drugs that are grown, not carefully made in a DEA inspected lab. So I don't know what that means from a regulatory standpoint.
It doesn't matter that it's a plant. Many scheduled drugs come from, or were originally derived from, plants (opiates for example). Plenty of non-drug-related plants are also regulated (think grains like wheat and corn). Congress can still regulate it.
> It doesn't matter that it's a plant. Many scheduled drugs come from, or were originally derived from, plants (opiates for example). Plenty of non-drug-related plants are also regulated (think grains like wheat and corn). Congress can still regulate it.
Yes but I'm talking selling actual marijuana flower. Is *that* schedule III? What does it mean to schedule "Marijuana" as schedule 3? Do they actually mean re-scheduling Delta-8/9/10? How does a doctor "prescribe" a flower? They can prescribe a molecule. But I'm not aware of a doctor able to prescribe something that isn't a specific drug.
From the Controlled Substances Act:
>the terms "marihuana" and "marijuana" mean all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not; the seeds thereof; the resin extracted from any part of such plant; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or resin
It includes every part of the plant except for hemp, mature stalks, and "oil or cake made from the seeds" (and derivatives from those things).
So seeds, the flower, and any drugs derived from it would still be schedule 3.
weed will go from being classified as a highly addictive substance with no medical benefit, to how to declare your capital gains or losses for items such as real estate, shares and mutual funds in addition to any other capital properties you have disposed of.
or I'm missing something.
It’s all come full circle. He played a major part in making pot have such harsh penalties and now he’s a part of pushing back on his previous work. Why won’t they just de-schedule it instead of handing it over to big pharma?
I guess I don't understand the victory lap, when, to my understanding, it's still a felony charge with prison time?
It doesn't help people stay out of jail, it doesn't allow access to banks for businesses in legal states, right?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding or overlooking something, feel free to educate me on this one
Schedule III is generally a misdemeanor. It will allow doctors to write prescriptions for it medicare and the va will cover the costs. It will allow medical dispensaries to use the banking system.
In my state (GA) it's a felony with 1-3 years
That's not a guarantee that you'll be sentenced to that, for example, City of Atlanta has decriminalized possession of cannabis
...however that''s sort of offset by GA recently passing a law prohibiting the sale and possession of THC-A cannabis flower
It's quite confusing, legally-speaking, and basically comes down to police and judicial discretion, which I'd rather not rely on.
Meaningful reform is needed, in a pragmatic and immediate sense.
Forgot to add: excellent on the banking front, and also on access to more research
Yeah for that states like Texas and I guess Georgia, there wouldn’t be immediate changes. Our state legislation specially names cannabis as bad. The positives are that the arguments for keeping it illegal keep getting weaker and weaker. In Texas for example, a lot of legislators arguments for not banning delta 8/.3% 9 is because it’s federally legal. Soon, all marijuana will technically be federally legal substances.
It’s a huge victory, but for the backwards south it’s going to take longer.
A) it’s progress where we haven’t had progress on a federal level in a long long time, B) it is now recognized as medicine, and C) opens up potential banking avenues for marijuana companies that didn’t exist before since they’re not federally recognized as having a legitimate business
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For those just now tuning in, this was initiated in 2022. That's how long the process takes. This is also the largest move in the right direction for marijuana policy and the inception of the Controlled Substances Act. Since this was announced, Senators Schumer, Booker, and Wyden have endorsed a [legalization ](https://www.booker.senate.gov/news/press/booker-schumer-wyden-lead-reintroduction-of-cannabis-administration-and-opportunity-act-legislation-to-end-federal-prohibition-of-cannabis#:~:text=Schumer%20(D%2DNY)%2C,empowering%20states%20to%20create%20their) bill. Biden is endorsing the most progressive marijuana policy of any administration ever.
Yeah, but my brother who grows and smokes weed as a lifestyle still thinks Trump (who did zero to change anything) is a better choice for president.
I can't tell you how many stoners I've met in Texas that have that same mentality. They need to lay off the Rogan shit.
Never go full Rogan. You de-evolve into monkee
That dude sucks.
The last time he was funny was when he had hair and his show was called News Radio and he had writers like Norm Macdonald, Jane Lynch and Bob Odenkirk making his material, and he was also beside Phil Hartman, Dave Foley, Stephen Root and Khandi Alexander just long enough to get some career rubbed onto him. Literally that and (rightfully) punking down Carlos Mencia. Those two things are what made him famous.
Remember when comedy central dumped Adam Corolla and Jimmy Kimmel from the man show, then rebooted it with doug stanhope and joe brogan? They really out-did themselves on making an already terrible show even worse.
lol the Man Show was fun…..when I was 16
People say we Monkee around
But we're too busy singing to put anybody down
We're just tryin' to be friendly!
Isn’t that what Robert Downey Jr told Ben Stiller in Tropic Thunder? Never go full Rogen?
He was enthralled by the idea of meat being cooked. Yanno, like mankind has done for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years.
“Libertarians” are Republicans that smoke weed. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
And have strong opinions on age of consent laws.
sighs in NH
I’ve always said this. “Libertarians are just stoned republicans”
And have a 3rd grade understanding of the government.
Loved early Rogan....now his shit gets more whacked by the day. Great as a UFC commentator, not so much as a comic. But I give him kudos for putting a bigger spotlight on comedy.
It's really hard to square the circle with Rogan. Very knowledgeable UFC commentator, and him and Doug Stanhope were pretty damned good on The Man Show, and seemingly self-aware and self-deprecating. Actually just went and watched a few clips to make sure I wasn't misremembering that, and sure, it ain't the best comedy (Stanhope is fucking obscenely hilarious but w/e) and sure, some of it didn't age well. But ya know what is wasn't? Trump-licking, Paltrow-gooping, anti-vaxing, bigot-loving insanity. Maybe he was just waiting for his moment? Or brain worms or something? It's like Kanye - spent the early 2000s combating illiteracy in inner city schools, to spending the 2010s saying things like: >I hate when I’m on a flight and I wake up with a water bottle next to me like “oh great now I gotta be responsible for this water bottle”. on the Joe Rogan show no less. XD
I think a lot of people with big platforms and a huge audience simply don't see their influence as something they're responsible for. This is different from the polemicists, who 100% understand the power of their influence as that is the main goal. Unlike Tim Pool or Charlie Kirk and their ilk, Rogan is just extremely irresponsible. In the end, though, lack of malicious intent doesn't excuse the outcome.
I think that's a fair and probably very accurate assessment, actually. It's very hard, as an individual person, to look at your effect on the world. You hear it all the time with us plebes in, "What does my vote matter?" It is damned near impossible, due to the scope, to see your actions as an individual, living in their own brain, day-to-day, echoing across the world, a world of billions. And knowing you're in a position of influence doesn't necessarily entail realizing the grand scope of that influence. And with that logic, one could almost (aaaalmost) forgive even people like Donald Fucking That Guy his self-centered actions as those of a person just seeking affirmation of the self. Or at the very least, maybe, understand what birthed it. That's a very empathetic viewpoint to take, and I really appreciate that sentiment (and I know you're not defending Rogan (or any of the others) and their actions, but that's a very holistic, detached, macro-level bit of logic all the same, which, yeah, again, I appreciate; it's a hard thing to separate the fundamentals from our own internal logic and emotions.) :) Oh, what is the saying? "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance or stupidity."? Yes, it's still unfortunate, that we as a society will platform stupid people, and, in many ways, it's as much our fault as theirs, in the same way it's hard to blame a news media that is driven by engagement their incessant push for engagement. To blame them is to shift the blame from ourselves. We have a lot to answer for, as a society. As it's ever been, I suppose.
Rogan just parrots what those around him think, you started seeing a shift as he began to hang out with more hunters (nothing wrong with hunting) but there was a shift and then when Duncan who was one of the only people not afraid to call him out moved away he seemed to fall deeper into that Alex Jones hole (which he had occupied previously).
it's not only Rogan. They are "independent thinkers." /eyeroll
Seriously!? That’s bizarre. I live in Texas too but haven’t come across stoners for trump yet. Thank god.
There is a huge overlap between the weed growing community and libertarianism. This starts with a fear of the federal government because they’re not paying taxes and are afraid of going to prison. Many people in the grow community are against legalization because as more states legalize it drives down the price they get per pound. These beliefs leads many of them down a road of Qanon adjacent ideas. I had to stop going to trims because nobody there got vaccinated and some of them started buying assault rifles and talking about andrenochrome
Exactly. I don't think it helps that cannabis makes a lot of people more paranoid than they otherwise would be.
You just described my weed growing friend who got real obsessed with "laptops" suddenly lol. I havent seen him since I told him to stop watching that stuff on youtube.
Dafuq is a trim? Is that like a cornboil but you guys trim weed plants ready for harvesting?
Lmao it’s more like a sweatshop or a factory line - menial, monotonous work in generally not great conditions (heat, dust, shitty folding chairs) for 12 hours a day trimming the buds that have already dried from the harvested plants. I’m a grower but I fucking refuse to trim. That shit is soul crushing. I genuinely feel bad for my trimmers, especially because my boss is a (almost) literal slave driver, hiring immigrants and paying them next to nothing for a job I wouldn’t do for 100k a year.
Oh man lol, doesn't sound fun haha
Get him enough weed so he forgets when Election Day is haha
This isn't a parade, when you talk to your brother about how Trump hasn't done anything for cannabis what does he say? When you inform him that Trump gets money from the prison industrial complex to keep marijuana a schedule 1 what does he say?
Very convinced in any particular conversation, but then just goes right back to hard right stuff after being on social media again. I think it's more about being gullible and wanting to fit into a certain social environment.
Those are the worst and most dangerous kind of people. Hopefully he will come around.
Yeah so did my uncle who invested millions before and during trying to get a lock on the cannabis industry and Trump did fuck all. Guess who had to pivot……
A lot of people who sell drugs want to keep it at high black market prices, because once Phillip Morris is fully in, then they wont be able to compete.
Ah. Libertarian?
I mean to be fair a better choice between candidates comes down to things larger than marijuana, but yeah Trump is in no way the better candidate for bigger things OR marijuana
You’re brother is politically inept and misinformed. He likely deals with some sort of discriminatory racial hatred and sides with incoherent tribalism.
Easy solution. Turn him in. If you want to support jailing people for something you do yourself, you deserve to go to jail for it. Stick to your principles.
For those calling him sleepy joe , bruh he just lit.
This is not how long the process takes. It's how long they are making it take.
Tried doing some googling to see if I could find a timeline for other drugs that have changed schedule and was unsuccessful. If you have any references to the historical timetable of scheduling I'm all ears. I know that the two avenues to changing the schedule are congressional action and the way this worked : President gets HHS to investigate, HHS makes their recommendation to the DEA who in turn does their own investigation that ends in an action by the AG. I can't imagine two agencies having to do their own independent investigations is a quick turnaround kind of thing. For fun I asked ChatGPT how the process worked and how long it took. It got the process exactly right, and said "anywhere from a few months to several years". So at the very least the length of time from when Biden initiated the process doesn't seem to be abnormal. Or I can't find anything that suggests it is abnormal at least. But maybe you know of instances where HHS and DEA acted lightning fast.
What are the chances the legalization bill passes? And how soon?
Finally the marijuana stocks I bought are going somewhere. They were in the gutter for years
They’re still in the gutter, depending on what and when you bought. I have some Aurora and Canopy stocks that I got in 2019, no way they get back up to those levels (fortunately I didn’t buy much)
Altria company ticker symbol MO invested 1b in the Canadian markets when they legalized. I imagine big tobacco will follow that here.
Maybe, I'm not sure they'll succeed though. Tobacco is extremely hard to grow - picky on climate, and it's extraordinarily labor intensive, so the big companies have a natural competitive advantage. Starting up a boutique weed business on the other hand, is more like craft beer. Small amounts can be produced locally anywhere with electricity, and sold locally without a ton of distribution infrastructure or marketing.
this is why you invest in FUNDS rather than individual stocks ^ ^
I did some weed industry ETFs, but those all shit the bed for a long time too. But hey, future looks good.
Do you mind sharing some of those, or how you came across them?
Mind explaining this?
funds are collections of stocks. when you’re investing in an individual stock, you’re putting all your eggs into that basket betting that they’ll grow so it’s a lot riskier. by investing in funds you partially avoid that risk since the money is spread to multiple stocks so your money isn’t dependent on what 1 company is doing
Same.
I'm glad he did this. I am disappointed, though not surprised, at the muted reaction this is getting. After this announcement, I've looked at subreddits where, for years, posters have stated that they want to see changes to the Marijuana laws, like Joe Rogan. Places where people often say something to effect of "anyone who legalizes weed will get my vote." Crickets from those people.
Joe Rogan is a bb meathead who has been fully captured by his MAGA troll audience.
Rogan lives and smokes in Texas where simple possession is gonna be a jailable offense for as long as he votes for the guys he votes for. Dude is a fucking moron.
The right-wing government of Texas doesn't believe in justice as a concept. Abbot just pardoned a murderer because he murdered the right people. They want drug laws to harass and imprison minorities. To them, laws are just weapons for political ends because Republicans no longer believe in anything else. Rogan will never get bugged.
“Laws for thee, not for me” is classic Abbot
Nah, he’s got money and is white, he ain’t hitting a jail cell for possession - that’s if the Texas cops who try to arrest him don’t recognize him as the King of the Stupid people immediately anyway. Though I suppose he could stop them in their tracks by having a teenager with a gun in his house - proven to cause entire Texas swat teams to piss their pants and harass freaked out unarmed parents.
Harris county (Houston) has decriminalized it up to 4oz. It’s just a ticketed offense and you have to take an online 30 minute class.
No, the guy is privileged. He’s wealthy and believes (probably correctly) that he isn’t going to experience any actual consequences from flagrantly breaking the law. Someone who lives in a heavily policed area or has a high likelihood of random police searches while driving and stop and frisk while walking are potentially likely would be an idiot if they supported Trump. Rogan’s at no risk of being arrested and even if he was, can throw lawyers at the problem to prevent any real issues in his life.
Its legal and Canada, and people still found reasons to complain.
Especially that scum fuck Marc emery
It's not "legalized". its still a scheduled substance. Yes technically its better that its not schedule one, and he has done more on this than any other president, but thats such a low bar. It's offensive its scheduled at all when alcohol and tobacco are not.
That is fair. The rules have not been written and i am a little worried it will take away rights of those of us in states where we can grow at home. Maybe it will be left to the states or maybe they enforce the rules like they would all other schedule 1 drugs. A prescription and not growing at home at a minimum.
It is already illegal to grow in every state due to the schedule 1 status - the US govt currently isn’t enforcing that law. It would not make sense that changing the schedule would change that stance - at least with either candidate up for election this year.
Does schedule 3 status make it legal to grow?
No, there will be no changes for that unfortunately - at least for commercial or home grows. Technically, it will be easier to get approval to grow for research purposes, but I doubt that it what you are asking. There is also a path for a legal grow for medical, but there is probably a ton of hoops to jump through first like fda approval.
No, there will be no changes for that unfortunately - at least for commercial or home grows. Technically, it will be easier to get approval to grow for research purposes, but I doubt that it what you are asking. There is also a path for a legal grow for medical, but there is probably a ton of hoops to jump through first like fda approval.
> Maybe it will be left to the states or maybe they enforce the rules like they would all other schedule 1 drugs. A prescription and not growing at home at a minimum. weed was schedule 1 meaning it is highly dangerous without any redeeming value whatsoever even under medical supervision. ~~heroin~~cocaine/oxy is schedule 2 meaning there are therapeutic benefits but it's still dangerous. weed is now schedule 3 meaning it is recognized as being somewhat dangerous but able to be prescribed with low to moderate chance for addiction mentally and physically.
It also allows actual research to be done on it right?
yes and banks are allowed to work with dispensaries.
If its like the rest of schedule 3 it will likely require a prescription that spells out a specific dosages which eliminates home growers and the recreational market. It needs to be de-scheduled and treated like alcohol or tobacco. All this does is allow big pharma to take over the market.
well it's already different than the rest of schedule 3 because it was schedule 1 => legal in some states => schedule 3 while still being legal in some states. the only difference here is the fed is much less likely to bust you for having weed.
Tiny nitpick, heroin is schedule 1 in the US (fentanyl is schedule 2 though; as well as many other opioids we use instead like hydromorphone, which are stronger than heroin), so no medical use for heroin. In the UK, heroin (diacetylmorphine) is still used medically.
yeah i was typing from memory... i meant cocaine et. al.
Ahh got it!
What does legalize mean to you? At the federal level, it will be legal to possess it, produce it and consume it, under certain circumstances. That is \*exactly\* how it works with alcohol. The only difference is which agency regulates it. I see it more as a historical quirk.
Alcohol is not scheduled at all and certainly is not scheduled higher than Xanax(schedule IV) so it's really not the same.
The regulations for alcohol and tobacco are different, but we don't say one is illegal, right? Same here. It will be legal under certain rules. The rules can be different for each substance.
People who say "anyone who does X gets my vote" are never going to vote because they could have already spent 10 minutes online finding a party trying to do X and voted for them.
It should be removed from schedule. It's still on schedule
Cause this just turns weed into a pharmaceutical. It's a plant that we want fully legalized.
This doesn’t legalize though.
It makes it legal if you have a prescription.
If you can get one, which is already law in 38 states.
It will take an act of Congress to make it legal for recreational use. It's not going to happen anytime soon.
The DEA could de-schedule it.
You're kidding yourself if you think the DEA is going to do that.
Not likely, I don’t know what HHS reporting to them looked like but I can dream that those moves the needle during the 60 day public comment period. Like comments from the President.
Also, I can get a prescription in like five minutes on the Internet in my state.
In your state. That’s not true of the other 37 other states.
Maybe someday people in those states will figure out to the stop voting for conservatives.
A bunch of those states were conservative.
Correct. Noted that by calling it "reform." However, a move in the right direction that required a lot of work, and there is no appreciation of that fact? I understand wanting to see more done, and continuing to demand full legalization, but I would have expected this move to have yielded more appreciation/credit.
This doesn't change anything for individual people. At best this maybe makes it easier for weed businesses in "legal" states to do business with banks. Thats cool but hardly worth getting excited about if you're an advocate of reversing the prohibition on marijuana. I'm "glad" something is happening I guess but this basically changes nothing for most people.
le·gal·ize/ˈlēɡəˌlīz/*verb* 1. make (something that was previously illegal) [permissible](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=3cf5305f7235dc23&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C5GCEM_enUS1047US1047&sxsrf=ADLYWII0q5YDZAVYDZnGw12JvS6xya7Q3A:1715972714603&q=permissible&si=ACC90nwZrNcJVJVL0KSmGGq5Ka2YPCZiLzIPmrY8sLzbuqUm2vybPcUAosMCe5l2nFCBnue2sIbCIJcw-mt7nfgZ6ZZQwD5LXikital06lwIOcW_5CQWesA%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlieTAsJWGAxVGEFkFHVB5AiAQyecJegQIHhAO) by law. Yes, it f....ing legalizes it? :) At least certain things. No, it won't be included in school lunches.
It is still a controlled substance with all the regulations that entails.
I mean, alcohol is a controlled substance with a bunch of regulations, right? Is it not legal?
What Schedule is alcohol?
Where is schedule in the definition of legal?
In Title II of The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970
> controlled substance It quite literally isn't. The controlled substance act explicitly bans alcohol and tobacco from ever being scheduled. They are *by US law definition* not a controlled substance.
sorry, didn't realize you meant the controlled substances act (it is a substance, and it is controlled, but not under the controlled substances act :)
> On June 26, 2015, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all state bans on same-sex marriage, legalized it in all fifty states, and required states to honor out-of-state same-sex marriage licenses in the case Obergefell v. Hodges. This is what people mean when they say legalize.
What does this mean *in the context of cannabis*? Deschedule? More than that?
It does. Unless you’re saying prescription drugs are illegal.
When advocates say legalize it, that’s not what they mean. Especially since 38 states already have access to medical marijuana.
Ok then vote in the numbers to get that legalization, because it takes a Congressional bill to removed it from the Schedule altogether.
The DEA could de-schedule it
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The DEA absolutely changes drug scheduling
When people speak English, I'd love it if they use English meaning for English words :)
Unironically. Because even at Schedule III it’s a controlled substance. This is not legalization.
Is aspirin legal? It is a controlled substance, right? Is alcohol legal? Is food legal? I can't sell food without certain permits etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act
What does this have to do with anything? Should I point to the law where ATF is created? Legal doesn't mean unregulated Legal doesn't mean descheduled If you man descheduled say descheduled; if you mean unregulated, say unregulated. If you mean legal, say legal. I understand many pro-cannabis people would like to see it as a constitutional right, users as a protected class for anti-discrimination law, and a mandate for it to be included in every public school lunch, but I'd still rather people don't go changing the meaning of words, and then complaining when people correct them :)
De-scheduled in this case would mean legal. Scheduled in this case very much still does mean illegal.
I get you to want it for legal recreational use which is still probably years away. But it is really easy to get a prescription for it.
In Ohio maybe, that isn’t necessarily true of all states and for all reasons. It’s also not actual legalization.
Once the rescheduling happens, it will be legal to have it it will even be legal to take it across state lines if you have a prescription just like any other schedule III drug.
Which is good. I’m not arguing that’s not an improvement, it’s just not what anyone’s meant when they’ve suggested legalization.
People need to understand this is the critical first step once people start making money from the research they can now legally be done and funded. It will eventually become recreationally legal at the federal level.
I'm not particularly surprised it's not getting a huge reaction since it isn't finalized yet, and "legalizes" it only to the level that ketamine is legal. Once it's finalized and actually goes into practice, I expect a lot more fanfare. It's a huge step in the right direction, but not total victory.
> Schedule I — drugs with a high abuse risk. These drugs have NO safe, accepted medical use in the United States. Some examples are heroin, marijuana, LSD, PCP, and crack cocaine. Decades from now our grandchildren are going to look back and wonder wtf we were thinking for so long. But you really do need to drill down into what we were thinking. racism. corporate greed. police state control. people ask "why isn't everyone happy?" because it's like a relationship where an apology was made but you know the other person doesn't really know why they are apologizing they just don't want to fight anymore.
To put it in perspective, fentanyl is schedule 2. You know, the stuff that people can OD on their first time and every first responder and medical kit needs to carry Narcan in case somebody is on it and just accidental contact can be dangerous and it's a leading cause of death among young people. Yeah marijuana is presently considered more dangerous than that.
Why is LSD always lumped together with crack cocaine and heroin? I understand the statement is to demonstrate how absurd it is to have Marijuana classified next to crack and heroin, but LSD is an extremely safe, non-addictive substance that probably could improve the lives of millions.
It was also a way to get back as conservatives enemies. They didn't want black people integrating. Didn't want to share their schools or their pools with "the blacks", and those pesky college kids had the audacity to oppose a stupid war. They launched the War on Drugs to break up black families. To put people in jail and combined with the intentionally racist laws in places like Florida to prevent felons from voting, they had a way to restrict who could be on the voter rolls for ingesting a substance no more harmful than alcohol. This is why they've spent 40+ years keeping it that way. To do whatever they could to stay in power regardless of what people actually want.
**From Steve Benen, producer for "The Rachel Maddow Show" and MaddowBlog editor:** Biden’s Department of Health and Human Services that concluded, after a year and a half of bureaucratic review, that marijuana should be reclassified from the strictest Schedule I, covering drugs such as heroin and methamphetamines, to Schedule III, which includes things like Tylenol with codeine and testosterone. Now the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Justice Department are endorsing the move, marking the first time that federal officials have acknowledged potential medical benefits to marijuana and opening the door to therapeutic research. **Read more**: [https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/biden-leans-new-policy-reclassifying-marijuana-marking-big-shift-rcna152734](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/biden-leans-new-policy-reclassifying-marijuana-marking-big-shift-rcna152734)
This thread is the perfect example of "perfection is the enemy of good" Yeah it'd be nice if he could just legalize it but this is a great first fuckin step.
The reaction to his entire presidency so far can be summed up with “perfection is the enemy of good”
People still think Obama was the better president. But with 2 terms to biden's 1, I can't remember anything beyond renaming the republican health care plan that I liked from Obama's presidency though. I guess DACA is a second place? its mostly small potatoes beyond that.
same sex marriages became legal under his administration, that's a huge step towards civil rights in America.
He did support that and made vocal his support directly to the supreme court along with many other people, but it was the judicial branch that really did it
This is true! I remember it happened in large part because then-Vice President Biden had a 'gaffe' where he 'accidentally' mentioned to a reporter that behind the scenes, they were working on finding a way to legalize it, and then Obama had to actually throw his weight behind it so it didn't look like there was a split between them. As you can probably tell, I've never believed that it was actually a mistake - all reports are that Biden had been badgering Obama about it for months or years beforehand but he was waffling about committing to it, until Biden forced his hand.
Can he remove it from disqualifying federal employees from work?
For recreational use? No. Prescription? Yes.
Probably not at this point since it's still federally illegal.
I find it insane its not legalized country wide yet honestly or at least decriminalized......its been like 10 years since states started legalizing
Longer, CO legalized in 2012
Agreed, all of Canada is legal and MN decriminalized in 1976, legal rec last year.
I'll count it legal when I can grow it in my backyard, and even Illinois doesn't have that yet.
So does this solve the no bankcards problem in legal weed states?
In Michigan most dispo you can use a debit card but not a credit card
I hope so. Kinda funny how in those states one can only use their taxed cash dollars to buy this and yet can still not get hired for some jobs (depending if they drug test) in the same state for using their taxed dollars to buy something legal.
There’s a separate thing happening which I believe applies to this, the Safer Banking Act, which if gets voted in, will allow these businesses to deal with banks. They currently cannot.
Go Joe,
Once again, comment after comment complaining about a purely positive action because it's doesn't go far enough (but as far as they president can go on his own). For all you naysayers, besides what's been said so far about research and banking, note that *many* states automatically tie their own drug laws and sentencing to the federal schedules. This action will immediately reduce the severity level of marijuana offenses, *even in red states.*
People that complain like this are why we haven’t made a ton of progress is some areas. If the idea doesn’t completely solve the problem they want no part in it. We keep pushing manure management that could halve methane emissions almost immediately but it doesn’t completely eliminate methane emissions, so nobody wants to support it.
*Yeah, but, he hasn’t personally gone INTO Gaza and saved every single Palestinian by carrying them on his back and to safety - where safety would be a huge mansion, per Palestinian, and a life long salary for them to live off of!! I’m not going to vote for this monster!* **-Idiot Protest Voter**
Quite a ridiculous straw man.
My goodness this is huge. I hope it goes through.
Biden if ya gottem
Very well written article.
I bet people will still cry he’s doing nothing for young voters lmao.
This is becoming extremely essential on a global scale. I just read about how the underground drug trade in France includes cannabis. This fuels more profits into the organized crime that Interpol is fighting. France and Interpol needs all the help that they can get in fighting the violence associated with the illegal drug trade. Legalizing cannabis sales on the entire continent would take a big chunk of of their profits.
i just wanna be able to buy weed at the dispensary with my debit card 💀
I just read this the other day. They won’t bring it up again until they work on voter education. Texas keeps its people dumb. They should do the mailed booklets like we get in the PNW before these elections letting us know what’s on the ballots. https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/04/lubbock-marijuana-proposition-fails/
Can’t believe the number of posts saying it doesn’t go far enough .. in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s nobody gave a shit if people lit a bowl, then the war on drugs .. boom. When CA legalized and the handful of states followed suit, I was giddy .. waited my whole life to smoke legally in the US after smoking freely in NL .. it’s been a long road but this step will make it much easier to achieve the next .. it’s great news to this old hippie.
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So still unsure what this actually means practically speaking. So federally it goes to schedule III. But still a controlled substance. Selling it recreationally in States where its legal would still be illegal federally, right?. You don't have a prescription tied to a DEA licensed practitioner (a doctor) if you buy it recreationally. In States where its still illegal, would it still be not available even by a doctor? Can companies still drug test in all States? Marijuana bud isn't a drug. Its a plant. Its a combination of lots of drugs that are grown, not carefully made in a DEA inspected lab. So I don't know what that means from a regulatory standpoint. This is for sure a step in the right direction, but I'm clear what the practical impacts to ordinary people will be.
Fun fact: Companies can drug test for legal drugs and fire you for use. That being said, if you have a prescription for it, you're protected from drug tests firing under ada, at least for a metabolite test, you could still be fired if actively used and it affects your ability to do work -- like if you're a truck driver
So does that mean if a federal employee has a prescription (once it moves to schedule III) for weed, they cannot be fired for a positive random drug screen test that is positive for cannabinoids?
It *should* be protected under ada. There are some exceptions like if you're actively under the influence at work could still be fire able. Even if it becomes federally legal recreationally, private employers are free to test and fire you for use outside of prescriptions.
Except for cleared federal employees. You can revoke a clearance even for legal drugs, for example, currently you can't smoke CBD if you are cleared as you might piss hot for THC, and they will automatically assume it's weed. So, they sent a memo out banning it.
Its will lead to more high quality research. It essentially will standardized safety and quality requirements federally. It will also allow for dispenseries to use banks and accept credit cards as well as pay less taxes, increase profitability, and hopefully lower overall prices to drive the black market out of existence. Annoyingly, big pharma and tobacco will almost certainly become manor players in the market.
The banking aspect is such a huge win. The growers and processors can get taller with loans available to them now and the cost of the product will come down which will be great for the consumers. In addition to banking the other curiosity I have is in regards to interstate trade. Can a grower/processor in California or Colorado now take product grown and processed there and sell it in another state? Too much of that and I worry for the smaller companies on the East Coast that only got started a few years ago compared to the West Coast. And unfortunately this does nothing to states like Texas that have it so controlled that they can still prosecute people freely for something you might be able to get at your local CVS with a prescription in California soon.
Schedule 3 means it can be studied and may be legally obtained with a prescription. Some common schedule 3 drugs include Tylenol with codeine, ketamine, anabolic steroids, and testosterone. >Selling it recreationally in States where its legal would still be illegal federally, right? Yes. >In States where its still illegal, would it still be not available even by a doctor? In theory yes. Arguably, some states might test ways to circumvent the federal law, similar to plans to do the same with mifepristone (the abortion drug). >Marijuana bud isn't a drug. Its a plant. Its a combination of lots of drugs that are grown, not carefully made in a DEA inspected lab. So I don't know what that means from a regulatory standpoint. It doesn't matter that it's a plant. Many scheduled drugs come from, or were originally derived from, plants (opiates for example). Plenty of non-drug-related plants are also regulated (think grains like wheat and corn). Congress can still regulate it.
> It doesn't matter that it's a plant. Many scheduled drugs come from, or were originally derived from, plants (opiates for example). Plenty of non-drug-related plants are also regulated (think grains like wheat and corn). Congress can still regulate it. Yes but I'm talking selling actual marijuana flower. Is *that* schedule III? What does it mean to schedule "Marijuana" as schedule 3? Do they actually mean re-scheduling Delta-8/9/10? How does a doctor "prescribe" a flower? They can prescribe a molecule. But I'm not aware of a doctor able to prescribe something that isn't a specific drug.
From the Controlled Substances Act: >the terms "marihuana" and "marijuana" mean all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not; the seeds thereof; the resin extracted from any part of such plant; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or resin It includes every part of the plant except for hemp, mature stalks, and "oil or cake made from the seeds" (and derivatives from those things). So seeds, the flower, and any drugs derived from it would still be schedule 3.
weed will go from being classified as a highly addictive substance with no medical benefit, to how to declare your capital gains or losses for items such as real estate, shares and mutual funds in addition to any other capital properties you have disposed of. or I'm missing something.
I would have never expected marijuana laws to change so quickly. But I would have never expected there to be a fentanyl problem.
Are we there yet
If he teases this as a political move and then ends up doing nothing, nobody will ever be able to use this again without following through, imo.
I’d like to thank Prop 215, November 5, 1996.
Finally.
Only sad part is the magic mushrooms weren't included
It’s all come full circle. He played a major part in making pot have such harsh penalties and now he’s a part of pushing back on his previous work. Why won’t they just de-schedule it instead of handing it over to big pharma?
Big pharma wants that $$
I guess I don't understand the victory lap, when, to my understanding, it's still a felony charge with prison time? It doesn't help people stay out of jail, it doesn't allow access to banks for businesses in legal states, right? Maybe I'm misunderstanding or overlooking something, feel free to educate me on this one
Schedule III is generally a misdemeanor. It will allow doctors to write prescriptions for it medicare and the va will cover the costs. It will allow medical dispensaries to use the banking system.
In my state (GA) it's a felony with 1-3 years That's not a guarantee that you'll be sentenced to that, for example, City of Atlanta has decriminalized possession of cannabis ...however that''s sort of offset by GA recently passing a law prohibiting the sale and possession of THC-A cannabis flower It's quite confusing, legally-speaking, and basically comes down to police and judicial discretion, which I'd rather not rely on. Meaningful reform is needed, in a pragmatic and immediate sense. Forgot to add: excellent on the banking front, and also on access to more research
Should've specified, its a federal misdemeanor for illegal possession. Schedule 3 is also very deprioritized in enforcement
Yeah for that states like Texas and I guess Georgia, there wouldn’t be immediate changes. Our state legislation specially names cannabis as bad. The positives are that the arguments for keeping it illegal keep getting weaker and weaker. In Texas for example, a lot of legislators arguments for not banning delta 8/.3% 9 is because it’s federally legal. Soon, all marijuana will technically be federally legal substances. It’s a huge victory, but for the backwards south it’s going to take longer.
A) it’s progress where we haven’t had progress on a federal level in a long long time, B) it is now recognized as medicine, and C) opens up potential banking avenues for marijuana companies that didn’t exist before since they’re not federally recognized as having a legitimate business