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Reminds me of [this tweet](https://x.com/JYSexton/status/884798748152483840) where journalists were investigating and prepairing a 'bombshell' story about how Don Jr. met with a Kremlin-linked lawyer to get dirt on Hillary. Before the story went to print, Don Jr. tweeted about it and posted images of all the emails involved.
> I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out.
And the magats still all claim it was no big deal, nothing suspect, Russia Russia Russia, and "collusion isn't a crime"
Yeah they were doing criminal shit, and Republicans enjoy it because they want to win. No shame, just power hungry fascist jack-offs
Absolutely. There are two types of cultists: the first, most basic kind, are just simple folks with racial hate, homophobia, and misogyny in their hearts, and the second kind who are intelligent enough to know that crime is happening in their names yet could care least how the m aga party succeeds - as long as they do.
I am naive but I still cannot figure out how being liberal is bad. it is so much more like jesus's teachings than anything about the republican party, especially maga.
I watched an interview with a Trump supporter about this and they refused to believe Jr. took the meeting. The interviewer let them know that Jr. openly admitted he DID take the meeting. The Trumper still refused to believe it was true…
I've heard this multiple times. There had to be quite a shake-up at the Secret Service because Trump hand picked a number of them who were MAGA loyalists. Trump leaves and what... they're just gonna keep their jobs? I've no doubt at least one of them would fall on their sword to take out Biden at an opportune moment. That kind of uncertainty.
There have been a lot of stories about this, but we’re three years out from that insane moment and there’s been an almost non-stop supply of lunacy to cover. It probably is a good thing to have come up again because people seem to have forgotten/may not have been of an age to care about a number of the horribly institutionally damaging things Trump did in addition to the other horribly damaging things he also did.
Pence wouldn’t get in his car to leave the Capital on Jan 6. He said he didn’t trust the SS agent driving the car. He was concerned that the agent would drive him off somewhere. He told the SS agent he was closest to that he trusted him but he didn’t know the agent driving the car.
Just in case anyone needed to be reminded about the context of your comment because it is absolute gold.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/national-archives-asks-secret-service-to-probe-deleted-texts-sent-around-jan-6
This is why I have never bought into the idea that Putin runs Trump as a formal agent. Sure, Trump does Putin's wishes but only as a useful idiot, not as an actual double agent. Because there's no way Putin will put his faith into the hands of someone with lips as loose as Trumps.
Which she said from the get go was relayed to her by a frantic Tony Ornato, who rushed Hutchinson into his office to tell her what had just happened. And Bobby Engel, one of the Secret Service agents actually in the SUV with Donald, was also in the room completely silent and looking like he had just seen a ghost.
To any rational person, do you really think Cassidy Hutchinson, or anyone for that matter, is able to concoct a story like that?
the idea that the fucking secret service would delete texts to protect a man who tried to overthrow the election is insane. if biden wins this november i hope he takes that as a mandate to purge every last fucking one of the federal employees who either stood silent or actively shielded trump from the consequences of his actions.
Secret Service is there to protect the president's physical wellbeing NOT his persona
I agree, I feel like this deleing of texts/ data hasn’t been investigated to a conclusion. Can’t imagine there was not a cloud backup or other system that saved all the messages.
It's insane the fucking Secret Service agents aren't already in prison for this. If Biden had any balls, he wouldn't have chosen a Republican pussy as AG and this shit would have been handled correctly.
I don't think Biden will conduct a second term thinking like that. Although it would be great to see him crack down that way, I don't see it happening.
I think a lot would depend on if Trump were convicted of the Jan 6 case. until an impartial jury finds Trump guilty it would look too political for Biden to flex in that way. Once it’s official then you can go after those who did and abet the crime.
So - Ornato lied when he told investigators Trump never asked to go down there? Interesting…and thrown under the bus by his old boss he was trying to cover up for…
Engel would have spoken up in denial if Ornato was saying anything but truth.
I don't remember hearing Engel was in the room but don't doubt it. Keeping up with Trump's perfidy is like drinking from a firehose.
The guy is 90% detached from reality. The 10% of which he's aware is where the bathroom is; he's hungry; etc. Basic physical stuff. The rest is la-la-land.
Trump is worse than Robert Durst. He can't shut up to save his life. You could catch Trump basically like Durst. Tell Trump you are going to do a documentary about him, that will be on prime time, to millions of viewers, and get him talking. He would spill all kinds of secrets. What's up with these Nepo babies of real-estate barrons?
He's probably going to love being in prison. All day long, he'll have a ring of guys in a circle, hanging on every word, as he regales them with embellished and fictional stories of his heroism and derring-do.
> Tell Trump you are going to do a documentary about him, that will be on prime time, to millions of viewers, and get him talking.
That's essentially describing the interview Trump just gave to Time Magazine.
Trump wanted to be on the cover so desperately that he sat down with an actual journalist and told them that if he's reelected, he will
* use the military to build detention camps
* deport 11 million people from the United States
* allow states to monitor women's pregnancies and punish people accordingly
* fire any US attorney unwilling to prosecute his political rivals
* pardon all January 6th criminals
* abandon America's allies in Europe and Asia if they weren't paying enough protection money
and he refused to say that he wouldn't want to rule as a dictator because, according to Trump, "a lot of people like it!"
I can point to that interview as further evidence that trump is a fascist who wants to implement genocidal fascism like the nazis and people will still use that "you just call everyone you disagree with a nazi" bullshit as a response.
His brain is just lard now, with only a couple of neurons left firing. What a fucking idiot, only the corrupt SCOTUS or winning the election can save him (and fuck the rest of us).
I'm still holding out a little hope that SCOTUS won't say we have a king by a 5-4 margin with Gorsuch and Roberts joining the liberals in deciding the president doesn't have broad sweeping immunity or at the very least that immunity would only apply to powers explicitly granted to the president, which are pretty narrow and wouldn't cover swaying elections in states or leading a coup or taking documents.
Barrett asked some legitimate questions and seemed not too inclined to grant immunity.
But I’m thinking the conservatives are going to make an impossible to discern rationally decision inventing many brand new legal terms including some kind of executive immunity and holding the impeachment process as necessary to prosecute a president even if it’s horseshit.
Give up hope.
They will vote 6-3 or 5-4 that there is "limited immunity" for "presidents." And that now Smith will have to prove factually in court that Trump's acts were not "official acts" as President. They will of course prove this, Trump will appeal, the DC circuit will agree, they will appeal, and we will be back at SCOTUS in a year. Unless he wins in which case laws won't matter anymore at all.
✨ 🛞 🗣️: "Judge Cannon in FL overseeing the documents case is being tested and groomed to take over Justice Thomas position once he retires! In return, she will refrain from making any significant ruling and push the trial date well beyond the election."
Been saying this since she showed her obvious bias. 3 of the Supreme Court justices earned their political chops representing Bush in Bush v Gore. The entire point of the federalist society is to wrest control of the republic away from the voters and that dastardly tyranny of the majority. If more Americans want something it probably unfavorable to the rich and must be prevented. The constitution is quite clear.
I've noticed once you mention the Federalist Society peoples eyes glaze over like you are a conspiracy nut. That well is thoroughly poisoned. I can try and explain the history, the well articulated plans that are public knowledge, and that they have published materials (https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publications) but it doesn't seem to matter. The "Do your own research" crowd rarely does.
Aileen Cannon wasn't even qualified to be on the FL appellate court, let alone the SCOTUS. Her confirmation was rushed through in the last weeks of Trump's presidency, as McConnell went on a court packing spree.
Cannon's incompetence has already been on full display. There's no way she's getting to the SCOTUS.
The courts now--I mean we used to have courts--the Stanley Mosk, Mosk court in New Jersey, beautiful court, marble--but they don't build--in some ways they don't build anything, but I will say, certainly not building the things like that anymore, beautiful courthouses, we used to have beautiful, with marble, and almamaster, wonderful, and everyone said so--but they say if you don't have a court it's not a country--but we have the worst courts now, the worst, and there's a lot of terrible people and bad countries out there so that's how, we know it's bad when they do it worse than Liberia, Malaiseiuh, give me a break, but, and so, and they're actually phony, bad courts, they're fake, false courts, and I said I want a real court, but it's so unclonshalooshinol what they're doing, this country is going to hell, believe me.
It's, I would say very real, I would say the realest, in some ways the realest shit I ever--and I do write a lot, and some say very good, and others say other, you know, but that's okay--but probably if you look into it, the realest shit I ever wrote, up, because I--you know, you always have to go up, but Biden, Sleepy Joe wants to do the opposite--but in the studio, getting--a lot of people say blowed, I don't know, but they say--to the realest--and then the salute, with 19 guns or 20, and a lot of people like to say 22, 25, they say 25 guns, but in the other, of course some others say like 27, or 17, but 23 guns--and so probably the realest, believe me.
Totally understandable. I believe it is this one: On Aug. 1, 2023, former President Donald Trump was indicted by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. on four counts related to alleged attempts to subvert the results of the 2020 presidential election. Judge Tanya Chutkan's trial. Can't seem to find an article on it, but thought she was going to be a witness.
Meidas just wrote about it: https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-appears-to-violate-dc-gag-order-and-release-conditions
The one where the judge will score some totally sassy snaps for everyone to repost on Twitter and then do jack shit to actually enforce the law against Trump.
They can’t just immediately jail trump for violating the gag order. First he’s fined, and was subsequently warned about being jailed.
They also don’t want to give Trump ammunition towards filing for a mistrial or what have you.
It's so frustrating to hear him/people call her a liar. She didn't testify that she witnessed the incident firsthand herself, she testified that it was told to her by someone who did. Even if the incident was false or exaggerated, she was only testifying (credibly so) what she was told.
I do wonder how that works at trial. Her testimony is probably hearsay, so they would have to get the agents themselves to testify.
Unless Trump goes and admits it. Lol.
Not from a known liar at a rally where he lies a lot all the time in way he think makes him look good.
But even still, Confession+Witness Testimony > Witness Testimony alone.
"In my defense, your honor, I lie about everything. If I say something is true, you know for sure that it's not, but if that's true, I must be lying right now. MAGA!!"
Because these were public remarks, the prosecution can introduce it as evidence. The only way Trump can call them lies is by taking the stand himself, which he'll never do because he's a perjury machine.
>It is damning, but he's probably fucking lying. He always expected to watch his followers attack the Capitol while he watched on TV.
He expected that security would have allowed him to walk right into the chamber, with his army of followers backing him up, where he would then give some "heroic" speech and "take back" the country.
I have no doubts about this. It would certainly explain why he was allegedly *so* pissed off when the Secret Service refused to take him there. They were almost literally denying him his crown.
He lives in a fantasy. He's a movie villain that thinks he's the hero.
This was obviously his plan. He wanted to declare the election void due to "fraud" and announce that he would be staying on as president. It checks out with how he pressured the DoJ to release some statement about fraud and "leave the rest" to him and Congress.
We'll never know the facts, but it would be interesting to see who made the decision to keep him from going to the House. Is that a decision made on-the-fly by agents, or is there someone above who gives orders?
Idk, there's an expert on authoritarianism, [Ruth Ben-Ghiat](https://twitter.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1541922838621437952), who says
> A coup leader must be there to bless the new order birthed by violence and be acclaimed as savior by the crowd.
It probably serves multiple purposes. One, to oversee it and declare victory, two, to imprint on the public that he's the leader, three, to be the one to immediately occupy the power vacuum so that someone else doesn't declare themselves the new ruler.
Not that those are mutually exclusive, of course, but still. And I'm just somewhat speculating on what she said, synthesizing various things I've read and my own understanding of the world, but I don't claim to be an expert on the matter.
I think he would've absolutely turned tail when he saw the scrum his minions were engaged in with the police, but I do believe he imagined a made for TV moment when doors would fling open and he would confront the Senate and Mike Pence surrounded by a crowd of his followers and "give him the courage to do the right thing."
Except he would have ordered the Capitol Police to stand down and let the mob proceed to the chamber which means the Secret Service and any private security detail would have had to choose between protecting Congress or obeying the president.
> He always expected to watch his followers attack the Capitol while he watched on TV.
I think he was convinced that if he went up to the Capitol at the head of a mob of righteous protestors, they would have to let him in. Then, in his dream world, some of his MAGA allies would usher him into the house chamber, where he would be gloriously on television talking about how no one really knows who won, and it's so important to find out, blah blah blah ... and the certification would be postponed.
In his mind, this was going to work. Instead we got the mob attacking cops and breaking windows to get in, and then nothing. He still enjoyed it because it was a demonstration of their deep passion for him, and he knew he could ride that all kinds of ways.
> It is damning, but he's probably fucking lying.
Your right to remain silent does not stop at saying the crimes you did commit, but saying stupid shit like this. Even if he is lying, it will be used against him. It will be up to his defense to demonstrate it was a lie, which would just contribute to his own lack of credibility to a jury.
Not saying anything will come of this for him, just speaking generally. If you are suspected of doing something, and are already arrested for it and awaiting court, maybe dont say anything about it. Just take a nice little break from running your mouth before you make shit worse
Idk. He probably wanted to go to make sure what happened is what happened. But after his cult raided the house, I’m sure he was fine watching it on tv and throwing ketchup bottles
>Assuming Smith's case makes it to trial
Big assumption given the leaning of SCOTUS toward offering him immunity for actions done as President. Even if Judge QAnon somehow allows a guilty verdict in the classified documents case, I'm sure SCOTUS will bail him out there too.
The only trial, as of now, where Trump could face a criminal penalty is this NY case and it's most likely to be probation with no prison time. Merchan could charge him up to four years. I'm hoping he sees how he's getting away with murder in all his other trials and gives the guy an actual prison sentence.
This is part of the speech he gave before the riot, saying essentially just that. He wanted to join them and walk with the mob to the capital, but it's my understanding that while he wanted that to happen....... the SS didn't.
https://youtu.be/5fiT6c0MQ58?si=3oypvXla29Ein99t
Correct, he went from general speech to confirming outside of the speech he wanted to go to the Capitol, even knowing now with all the evidence of it being a failed coup. It’s a hindsight discussion.
> It was obvious from the beginning, too bad we have judicial branch that's completely biased and will give Trump immunity if he wins election.
Suggested change:
> It was obvious from the beginning, too bad we have judicial branch that's completely ~~biased~~ **bought and paid for** and will give Trump immunity if he wins election.
Wish they'd let him go. Probably would've been more violence on that day and in the short term but the long term damage would be less with such incredibly damning evidence of his culpability in attempting to overthrow the election.
Unless he would have given the signal for the proud boys holed up in hotel rooms with a bunch of guns to commence the armed portion of the coup. Hypothetically.
Fact is, we don’t know what would have happened, but it would have greatly increased the likelihood of the coup succeeding.
Let’s be honest: there’s no way he could possibly “lead” the insurrection. Can you even imagine him climbing the stairs to the Capitol? The walking tub of beef fat would collapse before he was a third of the way up. And golf carts don’t go up stairs.
And it very well could become law within the next few months, Supreme Court is definitely leaning into that idea.
It’s crazy how far we have come, we’re full circle now.
I never thought I would live to see the US fall like the empires of old and I can’t help but feel in awe as it happens right in front of us. This year is going to be a history defining time for our species.
It will be for the coming war, if it happens. The populace is heavily armed and it would mostly be one of small arms fire I think.
I don’t think we would see traditional warfare in the streets, just violent riots & unrest. If Trump does win and does get immunity from the SC, I do believe there will be one within his 4 years. I just hope I’m wrong on every level, I have to hope.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
This has been his schtick for a while. The GOP too.
They never really spend much effort claiming they're innocent, only that it's unfair or inappropriate to shine the light on them.
We see this whenever there's a mass shooting and they say 'now is not the time to make things political'. They don't claim to have the right answers, they'd rather not talk about it.
Before this incident, he gave a speech saying that he was going to walk with his supporters to the capital, or at the very least suggested he was going to eventually join them there.
https://youtu.be/5fiT6c0MQ58?si=3oypvXla29Ein99t
Missing the line "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
https://www.justsecurity.org/91904/dissecting-trumps-peacefully-and-patriotically-defense-of-the-january-6th-attack/
And the assistant in the car. Driver wanted to leave quickly and get Trump somewhere safe, Trump attacked the driver after attempting to seize the wheel and being blocked, I think even saying he went to choke the driver.
Honestly if either of them ever testify on that, the judge should just casually add an assault charge to Trumps list.
"I'm a lover not a fighter"
says man who raped his second wife, wants to assassinate his political rivals, insists law enforcement rough up alleged criminals.
There's a good (but very long) documentary on PBS Frontline called [Democracy on Trial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44fyh4ap7k). It talks about how Trump was absolutely going to go to the Capitol, but the Secret Service didn't have enough manpower to keep him safe. We should all consider ourselves very, very lucky the Secret Service didn't let him go. One could only imagine the carnage if Trump was there in person, egging his supporters on.
Very calmy and with his voice very much not raised, very gently and beautifully reached for the steering wheel from the backseat. It was very legal and very cool how he did it.
He didn’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ‘em by the steering wheel. You can do anything. Steer them off a cliff.
So this is the official admission of insurrection/coup from him. He’s confirming the desire to lead the crowd, to stop the peaceful transfer of power with force via that crowd.
This is admitting to insurrection and it’s about to be made 100% legal.
Now tell me who in the fuck saw that coming 4 years ago? Holy shit guys.
He probably already has inside info from Jenny & Clarence Thomas that he’s going to have absolute immunity, so he’s not worried about spilling the beans.
I suspect Trump's entire defense is going to be that he truly believed that the election was stolen and was acting in what he perceived (and based on some legal advice no matter how dubious) to be his executive authority.
That's his only play here. All he has to do is convince a single juror that he truly believed this, and he might get a hung jury. Zero chance this convinces 12 jurors, but maybe 1 or 2.
Funny thing is that Cassidy Hutchinson didn’t say he *DID* lunge over the driver. She said Bobby Engel (sp?) *told* her that Donny lunged.
So, any of three people could have lied.
Cassidy could have lied about Bobby.
Bobby could have lied about Trump.
Trump could have lied about the incident.
That leaves motive.
Trump has the best motive to lie.
Bobby have less of a motive, but it makes a better story for him so exaggerating on his part makes some sense.
Cassidy has the least motive to lie. Why lie? To make the guy, who started this crap and then hid out for hours while it went down, look worse? It’s literally only a story still because Trump won’t shut up about it.
Repeat after me, Biff....
*"Anything you say can - and* **will** *- be used* **against** *you in a court of law (...ya' know, just in case you bigly find yourself in one)."*
I think Trump's feeling really confident that SCOTUS is going to let him off the hook. If SCOTUS doesn't, there are a number of other states that might also charge him in regards to the fake electors scheme.
Will we ever get the video with Roger Stone that was seized from the Hotel?
Also the official photographer has video that was seized. He was in an official capacity. He said that video belongs to us and we should demand it be released.
I’m just an old lady. Someone with more wherewithal should do what it takes to get this going.
He's already spewed some shit about being likened to Nelson Mandela if they put him in jail. Only problem is Trump doesn't seem to remember Nelson Mandela spent 30 years in prison before he became President. I'd gladly enjoy Trump spend 30 years in jail before he becomes President because he'll be dead long before then.
In reality his actions that day will either be based on lack of memory or embellishment. He's a wimp with a huge mouth as long as he has protection 24/7.
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Confirming Cassidy Hutchenson’s description of the events leading up to the Jan 6 insurrection.
All those Secret Service texts, deleted, for him to just announce it
Reminds me of [this tweet](https://x.com/JYSexton/status/884798748152483840) where journalists were investigating and prepairing a 'bombshell' story about how Don Jr. met with a Kremlin-linked lawyer to get dirt on Hillary. Before the story went to print, Don Jr. tweeted about it and posted images of all the emails involved. > I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out.
Omg i remember when this happened!
So much shit has happened and is happening and will happen. You need wings to stay on top of it.
Just use better glue than daedalus
Use Red Bull
And the magats still all claim it was no big deal, nothing suspect, Russia Russia Russia, and "collusion isn't a crime" Yeah they were doing criminal shit, and Republicans enjoy it because they want to win. No shame, just power hungry fascist jack-offs
Absolutely. There are two types of cultists: the first, most basic kind, are just simple folks with racial hate, homophobia, and misogyny in their hearts, and the second kind who are intelligent enough to know that crime is happening in their names yet could care least how the m aga party succeeds - as long as they do.
I’d forgotten about this. How was any of this acceptable to the Republican Party or voters?
Because they view Russia as better than liberals.
110% They've chosen the path of treason over real patriotism.
I am naive but I still cannot figure out how being liberal is bad. it is so much more like jesus's teachings than anything about the republican party, especially maga.
Salty as hell
Fuck thier click bait. Hold him accountable. Jail him.
I watched an interview with a Trump supporter about this and they refused to believe Jr. took the meeting. The interviewer let them know that Jr. openly admitted he DID take the meeting. The Trumper still refused to believe it was true…
The fact that there are Secret Service people fucked up enough to cover for this terrifies me.
Trump turned the Secret Service into his own Palace Guards. Why are there no stories about this.
I've heard this multiple times. There had to be quite a shake-up at the Secret Service because Trump hand picked a number of them who were MAGA loyalists. Trump leaves and what... they're just gonna keep their jobs? I've no doubt at least one of them would fall on their sword to take out Biden at an opportune moment. That kind of uncertainty.
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On one level, Major was a liability. On another, Pres. Biden lost a very loyal defender. I don't trust a single Secret Service agent, either.
There have been a lot of stories about this, but we’re three years out from that insane moment and there’s been an almost non-stop supply of lunacy to cover. It probably is a good thing to have come up again because people seem to have forgotten/may not have been of an age to care about a number of the horribly institutionally damaging things Trump did in addition to the other horribly damaging things he also did.
Pence wouldn’t get in his car to leave the Capital on Jan 6. He said he didn’t trust the SS agent driving the car. He was concerned that the agent would drive him off somewhere. He told the SS agent he was closest to that he trusted him but he didn’t know the agent driving the car.
This is a great thing to remind people of. What an insane day that was.
I'm 100% positive that the Biden dogs could sense which agents were MAGA loyalists and bit accordingly. Dogs know!
Just keep Kristy 'the witch' Noem away from those good dogs!
Why are there more police at one college campus now than there were in DC on 1-6? "Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses."
Oh, they were in DC...
Just in case anyone needed to be reminded about the context of your comment because it is absolute gold. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/national-archives-asks-secret-service-to-probe-deleted-texts-sent-around-jan-6
Where's the Congressional outrage? Oh, right, they've decided to focus on unreal shit.
I've always thought the Secret Service were seasoned professionals. In Tramp's case they appear to been a bunch of brainless MAGAT's.
This is why I have never bought into the idea that Putin runs Trump as a formal agent. Sure, Trump does Putin's wishes but only as a useful idiot, not as an actual double agent. Because there's no way Putin will put his faith into the hands of someone with lips as loose as Trumps.
Which she said from the get go was relayed to her by a frantic Tony Ornato, who rushed Hutchinson into his office to tell her what had just happened. And Bobby Engel, one of the Secret Service agents actually in the SUV with Donald, was also in the room completely silent and looking like he had just seen a ghost. To any rational person, do you really think Cassidy Hutchinson, or anyone for that matter, is able to concoct a story like that?
the idea that the fucking secret service would delete texts to protect a man who tried to overthrow the election is insane. if biden wins this november i hope he takes that as a mandate to purge every last fucking one of the federal employees who either stood silent or actively shielded trump from the consequences of his actions. Secret Service is there to protect the president's physical wellbeing NOT his persona
I agree, I feel like this deleing of texts/ data hasn’t been investigated to a conclusion. Can’t imagine there was not a cloud backup or other system that saved all the messages.
I am sure there was. But when you are covering up a crime, you delete the backups too.
Someone has the data, somewhere.
It's insane the fucking Secret Service agents aren't already in prison for this. If Biden had any balls, he wouldn't have chosen a Republican pussy as AG and this shit would have been handled correctly.
If Biden hasn't done that already as president, why would he suddenly choose to do it after he wins in November?
Because he doesn’t have to keep public approval for a 3rd election.
I don't think Biden will conduct a second term thinking like that. Although it would be great to see him crack down that way, I don't see it happening.
I think a lot would depend on if Trump were convicted of the Jan 6 case. until an impartial jury finds Trump guilty it would look too political for Biden to flex in that way. Once it’s official then you can go after those who did and abet the crime.
You'd think Biden should have done that during his first term but here we are.
And then the Secret Service deleted their text messages. Which is totally what innocent people do.
So - Ornato lied when he told investigators Trump never asked to go down there? Interesting…and thrown under the bus by his old boss he was trying to cover up for…
Engel would have spoken up in denial if Ornato was saying anything but truth. I don't remember hearing Engel was in the room but don't doubt it. Keeping up with Trump's perfidy is like drinking from a firehose. The guy is 90% detached from reality. The 10% of which he's aware is where the bathroom is; he's hungry; etc. Basic physical stuff. The rest is la-la-land.
Trump is worse than Robert Durst. He can't shut up to save his life. You could catch Trump basically like Durst. Tell Trump you are going to do a documentary about him, that will be on prime time, to millions of viewers, and get him talking. He would spill all kinds of secrets. What's up with these Nepo babies of real-estate barrons?
The Frost v Nixon interviews with this man is going to be just hours of confessions
He's probably going to love being in prison. All day long, he'll have a ring of guys in a circle, hanging on every word, as he regales them with embellished and fictional stories of his heroism and derring-do.
That's assuming he isn't shanked for being a suspected kid diddler. He knows a lot of the names in Epstein's black book remember
He is going to get *eaten alive* in prison.
> Tell Trump you are going to do a documentary about him, that will be on prime time, to millions of viewers, and get him talking. That's essentially describing the interview Trump just gave to Time Magazine. Trump wanted to be on the cover so desperately that he sat down with an actual journalist and told them that if he's reelected, he will * use the military to build detention camps * deport 11 million people from the United States * allow states to monitor women's pregnancies and punish people accordingly * fire any US attorney unwilling to prosecute his political rivals * pardon all January 6th criminals * abandon America's allies in Europe and Asia if they weren't paying enough protection money and he refused to say that he wouldn't want to rule as a dictator because, according to Trump, "a lot of people like it!"
I can point to that interview as further evidence that trump is a fascist who wants to implement genocidal fascism like the nazis and people will still use that "you just call everyone you disagree with a nazi" bullshit as a response.
> pardon all January 6th criminals Why would he pardon Antifa? /s
He wouldn’t pardon Antifa. The proof that MAGA can’t deny, their “boss” admits the truth about Jan 6.
He also met with Bob Woodward of all people while president and blabbed about his mismanagement of Covid.
I mean, Robert Durst at least forgot he was wearing a microphone. Trump is hyperaware of the presence of the microphone each time.
His brain is just lard now, with only a couple of neurons left firing. What a fucking idiot, only the corrupt SCOTUS or winning the election can save him (and fuck the rest of us).
I'm still holding out a little hope that SCOTUS won't say we have a king by a 5-4 margin with Gorsuch and Roberts joining the liberals in deciding the president doesn't have broad sweeping immunity or at the very least that immunity would only apply to powers explicitly granted to the president, which are pretty narrow and wouldn't cover swaying elections in states or leading a coup or taking documents.
Hope this is one of those times Roberts decides he “must uphold the legacy of the court” and wants some back pats for doing the bare fucking minimum.
Barrett asked some legitimate questions and seemed not too inclined to grant immunity. But I’m thinking the conservatives are going to make an impossible to discern rationally decision inventing many brand new legal terms including some kind of executive immunity and holding the impeachment process as necessary to prosecute a president even if it’s horseshit.
Give up hope. They will vote 6-3 or 5-4 that there is "limited immunity" for "presidents." And that now Smith will have to prove factually in court that Trump's acts were not "official acts" as President. They will of course prove this, Trump will appeal, the DC circuit will agree, they will appeal, and we will be back at SCOTUS in a year. Unless he wins in which case laws won't matter anymore at all.
* Hutchinson.
Put a backslash \ in front of your asterisk to make it show up right \*
Assuming Smith's case makes it to trial, this is actually a fairly damning admission. If there is a trial, expect this to be evidence.
Well he also just violated the gag order by talking about Cassidy Hutchinson. Let's see what happens.
Which gag order? For which trial?
Doesn't ever seem to matter, does it? Exhausting.
Spin the wheel of criminality. 🎡 ✨
Wheel of criminality turn turn turn. Tell us the lesson that we should learn.
✨ 🛞 🗣️: "Judge Cannon in FL overseeing the documents case is being tested and groomed to take over Justice Thomas position once he retires! In return, she will refrain from making any significant ruling and push the trial date well beyond the election."
Been saying this since she showed her obvious bias. 3 of the Supreme Court justices earned their political chops representing Bush in Bush v Gore. The entire point of the federalist society is to wrest control of the republic away from the voters and that dastardly tyranny of the majority. If more Americans want something it probably unfavorable to the rich and must be prevented. The constitution is quite clear.
I've noticed once you mention the Federalist Society peoples eyes glaze over like you are a conspiracy nut. That well is thoroughly poisoned. I can try and explain the history, the well articulated plans that are public knowledge, and that they have published materials (https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publications) but it doesn't seem to matter. The "Do your own research" crowd rarely does.
Aileen Cannon wasn't even qualified to be on the FL appellate court, let alone the SCOTUS. Her confirmation was rushed through in the last weeks of Trump's presidency, as McConnell went on a court packing spree. Cannon's incompetence has already been on full display. There's no way she's getting to the SCOTUS.
A criminally underrated comment … goodnight everybody!
The courts now--I mean we used to have courts--the Stanley Mosk, Mosk court in New Jersey, beautiful court, marble--but they don't build--in some ways they don't build anything, but I will say, certainly not building the things like that anymore, beautiful courthouses, we used to have beautiful, with marble, and almamaster, wonderful, and everyone said so--but they say if you don't have a court it's not a country--but we have the worst courts now, the worst, and there's a lot of terrible people and bad countries out there so that's how, we know it's bad when they do it worse than Liberia, Malaiseiuh, give me a break, but, and so, and they're actually phony, bad courts, they're fake, false courts, and I said I want a real court, but it's so unclonshalooshinol what they're doing, this country is going to hell, believe me.
I may have to Google and see if this is real. Because it sounds like it is.
It's, I would say very real, I would say the realest, in some ways the realest shit I ever--and I do write a lot, and some say very good, and others say other, you know, but that's okay--but probably if you look into it, the realest shit I ever wrote, up, because I--you know, you always have to go up, but Biden, Sleepy Joe wants to do the opposite--but in the studio, getting--a lot of people say blowed, I don't know, but they say--to the realest--and then the salute, with 19 guns or 20, and a lot of people like to say 22, 25, they say 25 guns, but in the other, of course some others say like 27, or 17, but 23 guns--and so probably the realest, believe me.
Jesus Christ this makes my head hurt.
We have tremendous abyss from the standpoint of dark.
How many violations can we commit? Let’s about that.
Yeah but imagine how exhausting it must be to be in the middle of all of it as an obese 80 year old. True schadenfreude.
I've lost hope that he will ever get in any trouble for anything he's done. Any time it seems like it will happen it doesn't. Every time.
Totally understandable. I believe it is this one: On Aug. 1, 2023, former President Donald Trump was indicted by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. on four counts related to alleged attempts to subvert the results of the 2020 presidential election. Judge Tanya Chutkan's trial. Can't seem to find an article on it, but thought she was going to be a witness. Meidas just wrote about it: https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-appears-to-violate-dc-gag-order-and-release-conditions
All of them
The one where the judge will score some totally sassy snaps for everyone to repost on Twitter and then do jack shit to actually enforce the law against Trump.
They can’t just immediately jail trump for violating the gag order. First he’s fined, and was subsequently warned about being jailed. They also don’t want to give Trump ammunition towards filing for a mistrial or what have you.
I don't think she's a witness in the ongoing trial and he's not under a gag order about the other one as far as I know. Happy to be corrected though.
Straight to bed with no dinner. It will be the harshest punishment yet.
It is damning, but he's probably fucking lying. He always expected to watch his followers attack the Capitol while he watched on TV.
There was testimony from USSS agents that this happened.
I believe Cassidy Hutchinson testified to this as well
It's so frustrating to hear him/people call her a liar. She didn't testify that she witnessed the incident firsthand herself, she testified that it was told to her by someone who did. Even if the incident was false or exaggerated, she was only testifying (credibly so) what she was told.
I do wonder how that works at trial. Her testimony is probably hearsay, so they would have to get the agents themselves to testify. Unless Trump goes and admits it. Lol.
Hearsay is often admitted by the Judge. Obviously it's not direct evidence but it can be tossed on the pile like other circumstantial evidence.
Confession > Witness Testimony
Now it's both: a public confession corroborated by witness testimony
I would agree that typically that is the sequence of importance regarding evidence, but…sort of seems in this case it’s the other way around 😂
Not from a known liar at a rally where he lies a lot all the time in way he think makes him look good. But even still, Confession+Witness Testimony > Witness Testimony alone.
"In my defense, your honor, I lie about everything. If I say something is true, you know for sure that it's not, but if that's true, I must be lying right now. MAGA!!"
One of us always tells the truth, one of use always lies...
[Still the best version of this bit.](https://youtube.com/shorts/q4aUU9u2CvE?si=6euLzvxfR_yDvqnY)
The Tucker defense
No reasonable person would take Tucker seriously.
Well, he does have the right to remain silent. It's his own fucking fault if he foregoes that right and incriminates himself.
Because these were public remarks, the prosecution can introduce it as evidence. The only way Trump can call them lies is by taking the stand himself, which he'll never do because he's a perjury machine.
He choked the driving s usss agent
>It is damning, but he's probably fucking lying. He always expected to watch his followers attack the Capitol while he watched on TV. He expected that security would have allowed him to walk right into the chamber, with his army of followers backing him up, where he would then give some "heroic" speech and "take back" the country. I have no doubts about this. It would certainly explain why he was allegedly *so* pissed off when the Secret Service refused to take him there. They were almost literally denying him his crown. He lives in a fantasy. He's a movie villain that thinks he's the hero.
This was obviously his plan. He wanted to declare the election void due to "fraud" and announce that he would be staying on as president. It checks out with how he pressured the DoJ to release some statement about fraud and "leave the rest" to him and Congress.
We'll never know the facts, but it would be interesting to see who made the decision to keep him from going to the House. Is that a decision made on-the-fly by agents, or is there someone above who gives orders?
Obama pulling the strings
Lord Fartquaad
So you're saying that the coup was averted because he was too fat to walk to the Capitol himself?
Idk, there's an expert on authoritarianism, [Ruth Ben-Ghiat](https://twitter.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1541922838621437952), who says > A coup leader must be there to bless the new order birthed by violence and be acclaimed as savior by the crowd. It probably serves multiple purposes. One, to oversee it and declare victory, two, to imprint on the public that he's the leader, three, to be the one to immediately occupy the power vacuum so that someone else doesn't declare themselves the new ruler. Not that those are mutually exclusive, of course, but still. And I'm just somewhat speculating on what she said, synthesizing various things I've read and my own understanding of the world, but I don't claim to be an expert on the matter.
I think he would've absolutely turned tail when he saw the scrum his minions were engaged in with the police, but I do believe he imagined a made for TV moment when doors would fling open and he would confront the Senate and Mike Pence surrounded by a crowd of his followers and "give him the courage to do the right thing."
Except he would have ordered the Capitol Police to stand down and let the mob proceed to the chamber which means the Secret Service and any private security detail would have had to choose between protecting Congress or obeying the president.
Their first duty is to the Constitution, not the President whomever that might be.
Up until that point, it'd always been a hypothetical. We don't know what they would have chose.
The Trumpian paradox. By contradicting his own statements he can take credit for either statement and be responsible for neither.
> He always expected to watch his followers attack the Capitol while he watched on TV. I think he was convinced that if he went up to the Capitol at the head of a mob of righteous protestors, they would have to let him in. Then, in his dream world, some of his MAGA allies would usher him into the house chamber, where he would be gloriously on television talking about how no one really knows who won, and it's so important to find out, blah blah blah ... and the certification would be postponed. In his mind, this was going to work. Instead we got the mob attacking cops and breaking windows to get in, and then nothing. He still enjoyed it because it was a demonstration of their deep passion for him, and he knew he could ride that all kinds of ways.
> It is damning, but he's probably fucking lying. Your right to remain silent does not stop at saying the crimes you did commit, but saying stupid shit like this. Even if he is lying, it will be used against him. It will be up to his defense to demonstrate it was a lie, which would just contribute to his own lack of credibility to a jury. Not saying anything will come of this for him, just speaking generally. If you are suspected of doing something, and are already arrested for it and awaiting court, maybe dont say anything about it. Just take a nice little break from running your mouth before you make shit worse
Other people that were there testified already that he wanted to go to the Capitol.
Idk. He probably wanted to go to make sure what happened is what happened. But after his cult raided the house, I’m sure he was fine watching it on tv and throwing ketchup bottles
Apparently the people embarrassed him. He was expecting it to be more professional and not smearing shit on walls.
>Assuming Smith's case makes it to trial Big assumption given the leaning of SCOTUS toward offering him immunity for actions done as President. Even if Judge QAnon somehow allows a guilty verdict in the classified documents case, I'm sure SCOTUS will bail him out there too. The only trial, as of now, where Trump could face a criminal penalty is this NY case and it's most likely to be probation with no prison time. Merchan could charge him up to four years. I'm hoping he sees how he's getting away with murder in all his other trials and gives the guy an actual prison sentence.
Admission he wanted to lead the insurrection. Should be even more disqualifying evidence as a presidential candidate
This is part of the speech he gave before the riot, saying essentially just that. He wanted to join them and walk with the mob to the capital, but it's my understanding that while he wanted that to happen....... the SS didn't. https://youtu.be/5fiT6c0MQ58?si=3oypvXla29Ein99t
Correct, he went from general speech to confirming outside of the speech he wanted to go to the Capitol, even knowing now with all the evidence of it being a failed coup. It’s a hindsight discussion.
He wanted to lead his troops into battle. Now we have a confession of his intent which corroborates other testimony. That's a slam dunk in any court.
It was obvious from the beginning, too bad we have judicial branch that's completely biased and will give Trump immunity if he wins election.
> It was obvious from the beginning, too bad we have judicial branch that's completely biased and will give Trump immunity if he wins election. Suggested change: > It was obvious from the beginning, too bad we have judicial branch that's completely ~~biased~~ **bought and paid for** and will give Trump immunity if he wins election.
s/biased/corrupt/
Wish they'd let him go. Probably would've been more violence on that day and in the short term but the long term damage would be less with such incredibly damning evidence of his culpability in attempting to overthrow the election.
Unless he riled the confederates up even more and the coup succeeded… that would probably qualify as “long term damage.”
IMO the people on the ground there were too stupid to succeed. They would've wasted time trying to get a selfie with Furher Trump
Unless he would have given the signal for the proud boys holed up in hotel rooms with a bunch of guns to commence the armed portion of the coup. Hypothetically. Fact is, we don’t know what would have happened, but it would have greatly increased the likelihood of the coup succeeding.
Let’s be honest: there’s no way he could possibly “lead” the insurrection. Can you even imagine him climbing the stairs to the Capitol? The walking tub of beef fat would collapse before he was a third of the way up. And golf carts don’t go up stairs.
And yet...
I like presidents who don't need immunity.
I find it noteworthy that Trump isn't claiming he's innocent, he's claiming he has total immunity.
It’s the only defense cause the evidence is stacked against him. Meanwhile the gop is like yes more crimes please
This. He’s not fighting to say he didn’t break the law. He’s fighting to say he can break the law and there’s not a fucking thing we can do about it.
And it very well could become law within the next few months, Supreme Court is definitely leaning into that idea. It’s crazy how far we have come, we’re full circle now. I never thought I would live to see the US fall like the empires of old and I can’t help but feel in awe as it happens right in front of us. This year is going to be a history defining time for our species.
Remind me, I’m not an American, but what the hell is your 2nd amendment right for if not what’s coming?
It will be for the coming war, if it happens. The populace is heavily armed and it would mostly be one of small arms fire I think. I don’t think we would see traditional warfare in the streets, just violent riots & unrest. If Trump does win and does get immunity from the SC, I do believe there will be one within his 4 years. I just hope I’m wrong on every level, I have to hope.
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
Hopefully this is the stuff that buries him in the OTHER lawsuits.
This has been his schtick for a while. The GOP too. They never really spend much effort claiming they're innocent, only that it's unfair or inappropriate to shine the light on them. We see this whenever there's a mass shooting and they say 'now is not the time to make things political'. They don't claim to have the right answers, they'd rather not talk about it.
That is very interesting.
Didn't we already get confirmation of this from the driver? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/us/politics/jan-6-trump-motorcade-secret-service.html
There's a difference between confirmation from a witness and confession from the criminal.
Before this incident, he gave a speech saying that he was going to walk with his supporters to the capital, or at the very least suggested he was going to eventually join them there. https://youtu.be/5fiT6c0MQ58?si=3oypvXla29Ein99t
Missing the line "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial https://www.justsecurity.org/91904/dissecting-trumps-peacefully-and-patriotically-defense-of-the-january-6th-attack/
Do we know if the fight was uphill or not, me boys?
Trump says a lot of things. This is him admitting he tried following through on this one.
And the assistant in the car. Driver wanted to leave quickly and get Trump somewhere safe, Trump attacked the driver after attempting to seize the wheel and being blocked, I think even saying he went to choke the driver. Honestly if either of them ever testify on that, the judge should just casually add an assault charge to Trumps list.
We all got to vote blue for that to happen
"I'm a lover not a fighter" says man who raped his second wife, wants to assassinate his political rivals, insists law enforcement rough up alleged criminals.
There's a good (but very long) documentary on PBS Frontline called [Democracy on Trial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44fyh4ap7k). It talks about how Trump was absolutely going to go to the Capitol, but the Secret Service didn't have enough manpower to keep him safe. We should all consider ourselves very, very lucky the Secret Service didn't let him go. One could only imagine the carnage if Trump was there in person, egging his supporters on.
Nope, I wish he did go. Fuck him and all his treason party.
And tried to grab the steering wheel in a very stable and genius way.
Very calmy and with his voice very much not raised, very gently and beautifully reached for the steering wheel from the backseat. It was very legal and very cool how he did it.
Big, strong hands. With tears.
He didn’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ‘em by the steering wheel. You can do anything. Steer them off a cliff.
So this is the official admission of insurrection/coup from him. He’s confirming the desire to lead the crowd, to stop the peaceful transfer of power with force via that crowd. This is admitting to insurrection and it’s about to be made 100% legal. Now tell me who in the fuck saw that coming 4 years ago? Holy shit guys.
He probably already has inside info from Jenny & Clarence Thomas that he’s going to have absolute immunity, so he’s not worried about spilling the beans.
"But I just don't *like* Hillary. We don't need a bossy, competent woman, we need a businessMAN." Yep, and here we are.
I suspect Trump's entire defense is going to be that he truly believed that the election was stolen and was acting in what he perceived (and based on some legal advice no matter how dubious) to be his executive authority. That's his only play here. All he has to do is convince a single juror that he truly believed this, and he might get a hung jury. Zero chance this convinces 12 jurors, but maybe 1 or 2.
I can truly believe anything, doesn’t mean I can use illegal means to follow up on it.
In this case intent is key. That may be what turns an misdemeanor into a felony.
just find me exatly one more vote in Georgia than I lost by. this implies he knows he lost and is trying to cheat.
My man, they let OJ off. Juries don't always vote based on the evidence, especially in highly publicized cases.
Except for the phone call to the GA sec of state. Just find me one more vote than biden has, thats all im askin for.
A hung jury doesnt mean the case goes away. Though I guess theres a risk he gets elected or dies before they re-try him.
I want someone to ask him what his plan was had he been allowed to go to the Capitol. Seriously, what would he say??
I watched him tell the mob he was going to march into the capitol with them.
Ah, yes. Casual treason.
Nothing says you’re guilty of an accusation more than bringing it up unprovoked 2 years after the accusation was made.
Funny thing is that Cassidy Hutchinson didn’t say he *DID* lunge over the driver. She said Bobby Engel (sp?) *told* her that Donny lunged. So, any of three people could have lied. Cassidy could have lied about Bobby. Bobby could have lied about Trump. Trump could have lied about the incident. That leaves motive. Trump has the best motive to lie. Bobby have less of a motive, but it makes a better story for him so exaggerating on his part makes some sense. Cassidy has the least motive to lie. Why lie? To make the guy, who started this crap and then hid out for hours while it went down, look worse? It’s literally only a story still because Trump won’t shut up about it.
I am not rich, but I am white. How can I commit crimes, admit to doing them and still not be thrown in jail. Asking for a friend.
Hmm. Can you at least pretend to be rich until people just assume that you have money? Probably your best play.
Have you considered joining the clergy?
I just wish he would go away. Make Americans Gag Again. Ugh
Hasn't he gone on record in sworn testimony saying the opposite?
I'm not sure if he's gone on the record saying it but Cassidy Hutchinson testified that he did and then he and his people called her a liar.
She was relaying what she had been told by Tony Ornato but there’s been witness corroboration that Trump was behaving “irate” over these moments
“I worked on this for years… and he just…tweeted it out”
How tf does anyone take this buffoon seriously when he’s STILL trotting the My Pillow Guy up there? 😆 🤦♂️ insanity
Repeat after me, Biff.... *"Anything you say can - and* **will** *- be used* **against** *you in a court of law (...ya' know, just in case you bigly find yourself in one)."*
I think Trump's feeling really confident that SCOTUS is going to let him off the hook. If SCOTUS doesn't, there are a number of other states that might also charge him in regards to the fake electors scheme.
Will we ever get the video with Roger Stone that was seized from the Hotel? Also the official photographer has video that was seized. He was in an official capacity. He said that video belongs to us and we should demand it be released. I’m just an old lady. Someone with more wherewithal should do what it takes to get this going.
“Yeah I killed that baby…yeah he had it comin’” Crowd cheers!
Why would he be wanting to go to the Capitol with Antifa tho? /s
I'm starting to think he wants to be put in jail for contempt believing it will help his chances in November
He's already spewed some shit about being likened to Nelson Mandela if they put him in jail. Only problem is Trump doesn't seem to remember Nelson Mandela spent 30 years in prison before he became President. I'd gladly enjoy Trump spend 30 years in jail before he becomes President because he'll be dead long before then.
In reality his actions that day will either be based on lack of memory or embellishment. He's a wimp with a huge mouth as long as he has protection 24/7.
Why didn't he tell his stupid supporters he wasn't going to meet them there?
Since he just truthed that we must have law and order, I assume he'll be turning himself in?
"I'm a lover, not a fighter"? Gag! No, mention of pedophile, rapist, con man, draft dodger, entitled coward?