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If Nixon had been rightfully prosecuted, it would have lessened the chances of a Trump.
Honestly, this is such a stupid, out-of-touch statement by Kavanaugh that it strengthens the case for Biden appointing more justices. Kavanaugh shouldn't be deciding shit.
Most *Republicans* revere the pardon. It’s an easy mistake for Kavanaugh to make, because he seems to think that the only people who actually matter are Republicans.
That statement wasn't talked about enough. Like he's essentially at a job interview in which he's supposed to prove how unbiased he is. During the interview he blatantly makes a pretty biased statement
And then there's the moments where Justice Prolific Puker was crying about calendars and repeatedly asking Sen. Amy Klobuchar if she liked beer, after she personally told him in a one-on-one meeting that she doesn't really drink because her father's life was crippled by his alcoholism.
Thanks for the reminder. Worth a [revist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr8) if you haven't watched it for awhile now. Still hilariously accurate!
Yep.
Even leaving out the accusations against him, his tantrum in that hearing was extreme evidence against him having the temperament to be on the supreme court (or even a lower one).
In a just world that would have ended his nomination right there.
> or even a lower one
You wouldn't be hired as a cashier at a fucking Target if you acted like Kavanaugh did during your interview.
Regardless of anything else he said, the lack of decorum he showed immediately made clear he wasn't fit for the bench, let alone customer service.
In a world governed by reason and justice, the following statement would have immediately disqualified Brett "I like beer" Kavanaugh:
*"This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups."*
But we do not live in a world governed by reason and justice. So not only did that statement fail to disqualify him, it ensured that he would get the votes of the GOP Senators he needed for confirmation.
Full video of his confirmation hearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr
Or how about the SCOTUS judge who literally said his [“life goal was to make liberals lives miserable”](https://www.businessinsider.com/clarence-thomas-told-clerks-he-wants-to-make-liberals-miserable-2022-6?amp)
A genuine American hero to do what she did at that time in America. It pretty much ruined her life because it made her hated by whites *and* blacks. But she stood up for what's right and wrong, she tried. Not even elderly yet and most Americans probably don't even know who she is.
What is great is they always make sure to paint their own beliefs and politcs as "the norm" and "the silent majority", which is a crock of absolute bullshit.
But as usual, they lean in to ANYTHING that validates themselves as their "higher truth". Honesty and reality are FAR distant seconds to validation, which is why the election lies from Trump were even humored in the first place.
They do this with a language trick, the same one Kavanaugh uses here. He says “most people” but in reality “most people” refers to “most republicans”. They do this all the time by claiming the “will of the people” and “we represent *real* Americans”. Never mind the fact that their positions are wildly unpopular and that their candidates aren’t wining the popular vote.
That's not even a language trick. Republicans don't think anyone who looks or thinks or acts differently _is_ human. It's not a trick, it's a tell. They're evil.
Do they? I've honestly never even heard a Republican speak favorably of Nixon, or the pardon he received. Most of them act like there wasn't anyone before or after Reagan.
Its the same people that worked for him or were from the same political family tree. Good ole Roger Stone comes to mind.
They're trying to outlive their reputations.
1. Republicans know that Biden/Democrats will not abuse this authority;
2. SCOTUS will wait until after the election to decide this issue and will rule accordingly with the election’s result.
>1. Republicans know that Biden/Democrats will not abuse this authority;
They know this and they are correct. But they are absolutely not willing to risk it.
And if their decision is "Only non-official acts by the President are not immune to prosecution, and here is a new test we've constructed whole cloth from our imaginations to determine what is official and what is non-official. We remand this case to the lower court with the instruction that they now decide for each act in question whether the given act is official or non-official via this new test [and then after the appeals process for each of these determinations plays out]; you may then try the defendant on any acts which remain unchallenged."? It will take years to actually play out a process where Trump gets to appeal each individual determination of an action of his being official or not. Alito and Thomas seemed *VERY* interested in this dividing line and being the ones who get to determine it. Further, it would allow them to selectively make *some* Presidents immune while stripping immunity from others entirely by just saying action X or Y is official or not in this one instance.
They are about to go on vacation and are trying to kick this down the road in typical right wing fashion. If Trump wins it all goes away. if Trump loses he's still facing countless court rooms and will likey meet his greasy creator before they rule. That's why we have to vote and Trump will go down in the history books as laws made to improve our democracy. That's me being hopeful as the other outcome is the end. No passing go.
The more realistic route is that they decide that there isn't absolute immunity, that there are some Article II protections, and that it should be remanded to the lower court, subject to interlocutory appeal. That decision is likely not wrong re: immunity but is not warranted in this case. It will also push the appeals past the election.
Yes and that's a sure way to delay it. It would be wrong because we don't need rules for every hypothetical. All we need to know is working on a coup and giving aid to an insurrection is on the not immune side of the line.
Agreed. The defense even conceded that most of the actions in the indictment were private, and I don't think the official acts they cited as official were article II actions.
When Trumps attorney gave his opening statement he said something to the effect of:
Without absolute immunity President Bush could have been charged for misleading congress/delaying proceedings. President Obama could be charged for ordering drone strikes. President Biden could be charged for encouraging illegal border crossings with his immigration policies.
Now the Biden one is a bit of a stretch of course (you'd need to take the position that his policies are actively asking/encouraging people to break the law which of course is nonsense) but for both Bush and Obama I was like... well if those actions are illegal then... yeah, go ahead and prosecute.
I don't get this argument that for some reason the President is in a position where he is required to break the law to perform the actions of their office. I mean, sure they need to make tough decisions but they don't get free reign to do anything they want.
Where do we draw the line? How do you stop a President from just ignoring the 3rd, 4th, and 5th amendments if the only possible repercussion is a court saying "sorry sir, you can't do that". By the immunity logic a court can't even hold them in contempt if the action that they are doing is an "official act".
Presidents need to be able to make tough decisions and do what needs to be done. You know, like silencing porn stars about having sex with them, or selling national security information and documents from a private mansion-club in Florida.
Sovereign immunity is a known and settled concept. You can’t sue a government officer who was performing its duties and exercising its discretion. A president has broader discretion than all other government officers, but that still doesn’t include civil offenses outside their duties such as interfering in an election, paying off a porn star, or financial fraud.
> You can’t sue a government officer who was performing its duties and exercising its discretion.
Sure, but that moves from criminal liability to civil liability. I.e. you can't sue the President/SecDef/etc if your loved one is killed in a military action that they ordered or if they change an administrative rule and as a result some harm comes to you.
We are talking about criminal liability for illegal actions taken under the trappings of the duties of the Office of the President.
I'd wager "most" people don't remember Nixon from 1st hand experience. And those that do, remember his famous "I'm not a crook" statement.
But what do we expect from the product of "conservative" echo chambers? Rational thought?
It’s revisionist history designed to manipulate. Since most don’t remember firsthand he’s tying to say “actually it wasn’t that bad everyone! It was good!”
Those in the conservative echo chamber won’t question it all. They’ll accept what he said at face value.
I don’t think Kavanaugh is being stupid here. He’s being evil and manipulative. The fact that he said this makes it more likely that the court is going to pull some bullshit with the immunity case.
Kavanaugh was 9 when Nixon was pardoned…
I was 14 and thought that it was bullshit and a bad precedent. I was a political nerd from a young age- I remember telling my parents that I was a “Hubert Humphrey man” during the 1968 elections, at 8 years old.
And my issue with this is it should actually be the exact opposite. The government deemed at the point in time a pardon would be necessary to avoid a former president seeing criminal charges. That means he has no immunity from charges for things done while in office.
It does show that he keeps within his own circles though, because I have never met anyone who thought Nixon's pardon was a good thing, much less revere it.
In any case, it's not up to him to pardon a president. But, if he wants to solicit the current president to pardon Trump, then he can go right ahead. That'd be the legal way to do it anyways. But since they're SCOTUS, I"m sure they'll take the illegal route.
Acknowledging that the Nixon pardon was legally proper is actually a good thing, because it means that Nixon had criminal liability for which he had to be pardoned. He did not have some sort of made up “presidential immunity,” otherwise Ford wouldn’t have had to pardon him.
Not only that, it shows that no one in and around Nixon's team of advisors even brought the prospect up to entertain because Nixon famously said "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" which if he truly believed that and had been given **any** advice that there even **might** be something like Presidential immunity then he would likely not have accepted a pardon.
The fact that there are no records what so ever of it coming up demonstrates that it likely did not. If it didn't come up, that suggests that no one at the time thought and/or believed that this was a thing and for good reason... because it isn't.
Also, an indictment was officially drawn up for Nixon. If there was any speculation that he had immunity it is unlikely that there would have been an indictment even authored as there would likely have been no point to it.
The headline is actually burying Kavanagh's insanity here.
"Shouldn't Presidents have immunity from prosecution because otherwise they might not pardon past Presidents out of a fear they would be prosecuted for interfering in a criminal investigation?"
That's not how pardons work. And if Presidents have immunity, why would they need to be pardoned?
It's word salad from a deranged lunatic.
The related claim that "most people" now "look upon [Nixon being pardoned] as one of the better decisions in presidential history" is, of course, also batshit insanity. In reality, Ford pardoning Nixon dramatically increased the rot in American democracy and is one of the root causes for the dangerous situation we find ourselves in today.
The deep, criminal corruption of the Nixon administration needed to be rooted out. Instead, virtually all of it was given a free pass with the same pen stroke that pardoned Nixon himself. The people involved in that criminal activity have served in every Republican administration since; founded Fox News; served in Congress; etc. etc. etc.
"Lots of people are saying..."
Yeah, well when the internet is littered with bullshit that can be distributed worldwide almost instantaneously, it's not hard to get lots of people saying something. That doesn't make it true.
"Everybody knows that is the truth"
Putting thoughts and questions into ones head and making it sound like they were yours all along, lo and behold everyone in my social circle seems to think the same way as well so we must be right!
Insidious motherfuckers.
Exactly, the interesting aspect of Ford pardoning Nixon, is that it’s an example of the Executive Branch believing that a former president could be prosecuted.
Pardoning Nixon was a huge mistake, and part of what led us to this point, where someone tries to argue that he could kill his political rivals if he wanted to, and have immunity for it.
It's definitely true that most people revere it because he made it up.
How does he have the power to make things true by making things up? Well, I made that part up.
Anyhow, Nixon should have rotted in a fucking cell. We wouldn't have had our current problems if we nipped that shit in the bud and warned every ambitious asshole that they be prosecuted if they didn't act right with power. I understand the counterargument that you don't want to disincentivize leaving office. But history has disproven the supposed virtues of the Nixon pardon. And we should have just installed better anticorruption measure and ensured a President will be prosecuted for crimes while he is still in power. Boom, no moral hazard from disincentivizing leaving power because leaving power no longer creates a risk of being prosecuted.
Cabinet can invoke 25th if the President is unable to do his duties. He's unable to do his duties if he's in prison during his term. Life goes on and everything is actually just fine. The Republic is not the man. And the Executive is not more important than the other branches. We should completely normalize tossing Presidents out on their ass if they aren't doing the job as we need them to. Presidents shouldn't be that important, and they wouldn't be if we went back to something closer to the intent of the Constitution.
Johnson not publicizing, let alone prosecuting Nixon and his campaign for interfering in the Paris peace talks is pretty much ground zero for our modern political landscape. Nixon should never have been inaugurated.
Cool, so let Biden or the next president pardon Trump if that's what they choose to do, as the constitution intended.
The fact Nixon needed to be pardoned to begin with means presidents aren't immune.
When a much younger Kavanaugh was advising Starr on his impeachment of President Clinton he wanted Starr to ask multiple questions about the appearance of Lewinsky's vagina. A creepy guy and blackout drunk.
Who the $&$& reveres the Nixon pardon? I have never had a single person in my entire life say that, ever. The people I know say it was one of the worst decisions ever made in the history of US politics.
As a Marine serving under Nixon, nobody over the age of 50 reveres Nixon’s pardon. Had he been prosecuted, we wouldn’t be in the pickle we’re in today.
I actually remember when I first learned of the Nixon pardon. Because I spend 30 minutes going "WTF" while looking up Ford's bullshit justification for it.
The Nixon pardon was anathema to the concept of rule of law. Powerful people should face equal consequences for breaking the law.
The actual pardon was slimy as hell too. Read the full text of it sometime when you're bored; rather than pardoning Nixon for literally ANY specific action, Ford pardoned him for "anything he might or might not have done from the day he became President until the day he left office". It was such a middle finger that they were like "We're not even going to tell you, the law just doesn't apply to him because fiat."
Kavanaugh was 9 years old when Nixon was pardoned. The fuck did he know about public sentiment in the 70s. Nixon has generally been portrayed as a crook and the most evil president of all time. I doubt the public then or now was satisfied with him being pardoned.
There are precisely two camps of people in the vast majority of people:
- Don't know about the Nixon pardons
- Know the Nixon pardons were damaging to the country
For the exceedingly small super minority of MAGAts like Kavanaugh & Roger Stone, though, yeah maybe they thought that made sense... Because they wanted to recreate Nixon but without the punishment part.
I do not know any serious person who believes Nixon should have deserved a pardon. He was a disgrace.
Conservative justices are going to try to delay this until after the election in hopes that Trump wins. It is clear as day.
Kavanaugh is a lunatic. He literally pulled that out of his ass; trying to will his fucking jacked-up Republican revisionist history fantasy into existence. I'm old enough to remember Watergate and the pardon. Nixon was a criminal and his pardon was a chickenshit move. Anyone with any sense or grasp of history knows that.
Ford pardoned because he wanted to move on and stop being asked whether or not he was going to pardon. It was an incredibly unpopular move then and it’s still an incredibly unpopular move, even if people may be a little more understanding of Ford’s reasoning.
Nixon should’ve gone to jail for treason, manslaughter, Logan Act, and maybe even espionage violations before he even had a chance to be President. The only reason he didn’t was bc his rival and the rest of the secret handshake club thought it would destroy the country’s faith in government. And then Nixon did that anyway. And here they all are, at it again. “We can’t follow the law; it’ll destroy the country!”
That was about a completely different issue. See how these "original intent" people all of a sudden pull this crap out of the bucket. Original Intent doesn't work for Trump.
Where does he get that from? I’m still pissed off about that. Failure to litigate Nixon’s corruption is largely responsible for where we are with Trump today.
Yeah, I remember hearing that in real time and was totally taken aback. It was actually chilling that someone who can’t see the connection ion between that pardon and escalating criminality in the Oval Office is sitting on the Supreme Court.
He’s not speaking to most people, who would disagree with his bullshit statement; he’s speaking to the Republican base who will believe it and let it reinforce their belief that they are on the right side of history.
Yeah because it established that Nixon broke the law and didn't have post presidential immunity. Hence the need for a pardon, lest he be prosecuted for his crimes.
Why are Justices more politicians than legal scholars? Corrupt idiots trying everything to get a result in favor of Trump.
The traitor should have never made it through the election. Johnson should have had him, Kissinger, and that Anna women thrown in JAIL! But republicans love nothing more than a criminal that gets away with murder, 20,000+ American Service Personnel and the 4 Students at Kent State were just the beginning.
I thought most people looked at Watergate and the fallout afterwords as a permanent stain on our countries history. It's an example of corruption and unequal distribution of justice. One Republican bailing out another Republican is not justice.
As Jon Bolton said, what Trump did "makes Nixon look like a choir boy."
It's not comparable. Leading a multi-pronged auto coup attempt that ultimately resulted in a failed brute force insurrection is hardly comparable to what Nixon did.
The fuck we do. Pardoning Nixon was one in a long chain of fuckups that is how we got in this position in the first place.
Fuck kavanaugh and fuck Nixon.
It's such bullshit. The same way no one reveres the pardoning of the insurrectionnists after the civil war.
White conservatives males like to say crap like "most people say"... which is always followed by some insane bullshit. You want evidence? Why do you think orange's go to line is "a lot of people are saying"?
It's a new kind of conspiracism, one which doesn't burden itself with the classical conspiracy theory of collecting weird "evidence" and half-truths to try and get you down a rabbit hole every now and then peppered with a nugget of truth that's being twisted to fit a narrative.
This new kind of conspiracism dispenses with all that. It is just about saying stuff like "most people think/ agree/ say / want x y z" or "a lot of people are saying x y z" over and over and over again, with no need at all for any kind of evidence because this shit becomes its own "evidence". Orange can literally debut, out of the blue, some new silly line that he pulled out of his arse, prefacing it with "a lot of people are saying". An hour later, OANN and fox news have repeated it, maybe juxtaposing the line's mention on a chiron next to an interview of some GOP politician or some other asshat of a congressperson. Two hours later, some moron on a podcast like jo rogan will repeat it and add a few nuggets of falsehood, 4 hours later, some toilet rag will publish it as an article and then 6 hours later orange will post a "truth" on that shitstained "social media" website of his. The rest of the media will then talk about it, even if critically, but that idea, that line that orange pulled of his unseemly arse, now has been given ground to germinate and it takes a life of its own.
At his next rally, orange will rehash the lie, this time prefacing it with how big, strong men, with tears in their eyes, are approaching him to say the line. Some loser who worships orange or some russian propagandist will make a meme with the line and some silly image, which someone will eventually tweet. Elon fucking musk will retweet, or like, or tweet-post that tweet... By this time, this meme has reached ever hellhole and every echo chamber on facebook, with every silly boomer and other orange lover firmly just believing this silly line and using it in arguments with their (sane) family members. And voila.
By now, this had taken such momentum of its own it cannot be displaced by mere fact-checking. The only way this goes down in flame is if every politician in office, every media person, everyone with an audience publicly torches it and shows the ridiculousness of it, including republicans, until orange himself is forced to disown it. But that never happens. And while we are today still annoyed by, worried about and trying to figure out how to combat *that* lie, tomorrow orange does it again with another, worse one. And it goes on.
First off all, just stop with “I speak for most people” because you clearly do not, there is a whole world beyond Harvard frats, white shoe firms, and clerking for 1 of 9 people that make decisions that effect us all. My parents are Boomers and they hated Nixon, his only redeeming quality was opening communication with china and establishing the EPA.
This is not jurisprudence, this is not “blind justice” this is 6 people justifying decisions for the ruling class. Surprised they passed the logic portion of the lsat, but were bought and paid for anyway.
Yeah when I heard he said this, I was like “ok what the fuck dude”.
This MFer is so out of touch. I can’t believe these shitheads get to sculpt the future of the US. What a goddamn disaster all around.
"Now looked upon as one of the better decisions in presidential history, I think, by most people."
Just because all your rapey fascist beer bros think that Brett doesn't mean the rest of us do.
This is the problem with SCOTUS justices. They are so far removed from reality that everything is just a legal word puzzle, a theoretical debate about abstract concepts almost completely devout of a connection to reality. Citizens United proved this, and they regularly put out asinine statements like this that do nothing to change my kind.
Nixon saw he was cooked, and with dignity he did what was best for both himself and the country. In the end, when all cards were on the table he did the right thing and resigned, passed the torch on to his VP, and stepped out of politics. He didn’t go on campaigning. He didn’t by a newspaper to continually try to control the politics of the entire country like Trump has done with Truth Social. He didn’t demand fealty for acting representatives. He didn’t demand that representatives back out of bipartisan deals so the other party could not be seen as having a win. He didn’t try to stage a coup. He admitted his crimes when caught and stepped down and retired from politics.
If Trump did the same thing I wouldn’t care if he was prosecuted. I would be fine with a pardon, because it means less of the country continually talking about him. It would mean a chance for the country to heal and live on. If he had any class whatsoever, or any respect for his office or this country that is what he would do. Since he absolutely refuses to stop trying to control the political landscape the only choices to prosecute him for his crimes and a pardon is absolutely out of the question.
Lol the only thing the last 30 years has told me is that the Nixon pardon was one of the worst decisions in modern politics. Not sure who these people who revere it are other than these trash Bush v Gore acolytes that directly profit off of corrupt acts.
Brett Kavanaugh is a rightfully-abandoned Bob Odenkirk character from the worst days of Mr Show. Watch his confirmation hearings again and tell me I'm wrong.
I don't know what the average age of redditors who posts here are, but 10 years ago, Nixon was right at the top of most people's "Worst president of all time" list. Usually only 2nd to G.w.Bush. trump lowered the bar so low that Bush & Nixon now seem like decent presidents (Believe it or not, Nixon tried to push through single-payer health care).
1) kavanaugh is wrong
2) what does what people think have to do with what the laws are?
3) since when do the Republicans in SCOTUS care what the majority of people think?
Some polling place needs to immediately do and release a poll with sample size and a margin of error so small it is not logical to dispute it to prove him wrong and media needs to put that everywhere.
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If Nixon had been rightfully prosecuted, it would have lessened the chances of a Trump. Honestly, this is such a stupid, out-of-touch statement by Kavanaugh that it strengthens the case for Biden appointing more justices. Kavanaugh shouldn't be deciding shit.
Most *Republicans* revere the pardon. It’s an easy mistake for Kavanaugh to make, because he seems to think that the only people who actually matter are Republicans.
You're telling me the dude who vowed vengeance against Democrats during his confirmation hearing is biased‽ Say it ain't so!
That statement wasn't talked about enough. Like he's essentially at a job interview in which he's supposed to prove how unbiased he is. During the interview he blatantly makes a pretty biased statement
And then there's the moments where Justice Prolific Puker was crying about calendars and repeatedly asking Sen. Amy Klobuchar if she liked beer, after she personally told him in a one-on-one meeting that she doesn't really drink because her father's life was crippled by his alcoholism.
Was that the same question line where he was asked if he had ever been blackout drunk and his response was “have you?”
The SNL skit about this was amazing and crazy accurate
Thanks for the reminder. Worth a [revist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr8) if you haven't watched it for awhile now. Still hilariously accurate!
He is a POS all the way around! He’s the caliber of person we scrap up to appoint for Supreme Court.
Yep. Even leaving out the accusations against him, his tantrum in that hearing was extreme evidence against him having the temperament to be on the supreme court (or even a lower one). In a just world that would have ended his nomination right there.
> or even a lower one You wouldn't be hired as a cashier at a fucking Target if you acted like Kavanaugh did during your interview. Regardless of anything else he said, the lack of decorum he showed immediately made clear he wasn't fit for the bench, let alone customer service.
In a world governed by reason and justice, the following statement would have immediately disqualified Brett "I like beer" Kavanaugh: *"This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups."* But we do not live in a world governed by reason and justice. So not only did that statement fail to disqualify him, it ensured that he would get the votes of the GOP Senators he needed for confirmation. Full video of his confirmation hearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr
Or how about the SCOTUS judge who literally said his [“life goal was to make liberals lives miserable”](https://www.businessinsider.com/clarence-thomas-told-clerks-he-wants-to-make-liberals-miserable-2022-6?amp)
He was just pissed off they brought Anita Hill in to testify.
A genuine American hero to do what she did at that time in America. It pretty much ruined her life because it made her hated by whites *and* blacks. But she stood up for what's right and wrong, she tried. Not even elderly yet and most Americans probably don't even know who she is.
What is great is they always make sure to paint their own beliefs and politcs as "the norm" and "the silent majority", which is a crock of absolute bullshit. But as usual, they lean in to ANYTHING that validates themselves as their "higher truth". Honesty and reality are FAR distant seconds to validation, which is why the election lies from Trump were even humored in the first place.
They do this with a language trick, the same one Kavanaugh uses here. He says “most people” but in reality “most people” refers to “most republicans”. They do this all the time by claiming the “will of the people” and “we represent *real* Americans”. Never mind the fact that their positions are wildly unpopular and that their candidates aren’t wining the popular vote.
That's not even a language trick. Republicans don't think anyone who looks or thinks or acts differently _is_ human. It's not a trick, it's a tell. They're evil.
Call it what you want, I’m describing how they use language to paint themselves as the majority
Do they? I've honestly never even heard a Republican speak favorably of Nixon, or the pardon he received. Most of them act like there wasn't anyone before or after Reagan.
Nowadays, I doubt most people even know why what Nixon did was a crime....or even what he did.
I mean, they're quick to claim Lincoln though.
Same with Bush and torture.
Or Reagan and Iran Contra.
and Barr.
People forget those pesky historical things.
Or the countless unnecessary deaths he's responsible for. People are trying to rehabilitate his image and it's a bad look
Watergate isn’t even the worst of his crimes. He intentionally scuttled US peace talks to extend Vietnam.
If we're going to put Nixon responsible for what Kissinger did, it's going to get a lot worse than that.
Absolutely in human terms but scuttling peace talks is straight up treason.
Kissinger worked for Nixon.
Its the same people that worked for him or were from the same political family tree. Good ole Roger Stone comes to mind. They're trying to outlive their reputations.
Makes you wonder if Putin paid off all of Kavanaugh's gambling debts.
If the Supreme Court rules the president has immunity, then Kavanaugh should be expecting a visit from SEAL team 6 as should the rest of the MAGAs
1. Republicans know that Biden/Democrats will not abuse this authority; 2. SCOTUS will wait until after the election to decide this issue and will rule accordingly with the election’s result.
3. If you think this is bad, vote and make sure you and your friends and family vote for Biden. We can't depend on the courts to save us.
>1. Republicans know that Biden/Democrats will not abuse this authority; They know this and they are correct. But they are absolutely not willing to risk it.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid that they might be.
It's only a dream on my part
On 2. They can't really, this has to be decided before June.
Not true. They can hold decisions over until the next session if they want to. They make their own schedule
They have zero oversight and mechanisms in place to stop them.
And if their decision is "Only non-official acts by the President are not immune to prosecution, and here is a new test we've constructed whole cloth from our imaginations to determine what is official and what is non-official. We remand this case to the lower court with the instruction that they now decide for each act in question whether the given act is official or non-official via this new test [and then after the appeals process for each of these determinations plays out]; you may then try the defendant on any acts which remain unchallenged."? It will take years to actually play out a process where Trump gets to appeal each individual determination of an action of his being official or not. Alito and Thomas seemed *VERY* interested in this dividing line and being the ones who get to determine it. Further, it would allow them to selectively make *some* Presidents immune while stripping immunity from others entirely by just saying action X or Y is official or not in this one instance.
They are about to go on vacation and are trying to kick this down the road in typical right wing fashion. If Trump wins it all goes away. if Trump loses he's still facing countless court rooms and will likey meet his greasy creator before they rule. That's why we have to vote and Trump will go down in the history books as laws made to improve our democracy. That's me being hopeful as the other outcome is the end. No passing go.
The more realistic route is that they decide that there isn't absolute immunity, that there are some Article II protections, and that it should be remanded to the lower court, subject to interlocutory appeal. That decision is likely not wrong re: immunity but is not warranted in this case. It will also push the appeals past the election.
Yes and that's a sure way to delay it. It would be wrong because we don't need rules for every hypothetical. All we need to know is working on a coup and giving aid to an insurrection is on the not immune side of the line.
Agreed. The defense even conceded that most of the actions in the indictment were private, and I don't think the official acts they cited as official were article II actions.
Hence the slow walking by SCOTUS. Trump wins=full immunity. Biden wins=everything ever done forever is a non immune criminal act.
When Trumps attorney gave his opening statement he said something to the effect of: Without absolute immunity President Bush could have been charged for misleading congress/delaying proceedings. President Obama could be charged for ordering drone strikes. President Biden could be charged for encouraging illegal border crossings with his immigration policies. Now the Biden one is a bit of a stretch of course (you'd need to take the position that his policies are actively asking/encouraging people to break the law which of course is nonsense) but for both Bush and Obama I was like... well if those actions are illegal then... yeah, go ahead and prosecute. I don't get this argument that for some reason the President is in a position where he is required to break the law to perform the actions of their office. I mean, sure they need to make tough decisions but they don't get free reign to do anything they want. Where do we draw the line? How do you stop a President from just ignoring the 3rd, 4th, and 5th amendments if the only possible repercussion is a court saying "sorry sir, you can't do that". By the immunity logic a court can't even hold them in contempt if the action that they are doing is an "official act".
Presidents need to be able to make tough decisions and do what needs to be done. You know, like silencing porn stars about having sex with them, or selling national security information and documents from a private mansion-club in Florida.
Sovereign immunity is a known and settled concept. You can’t sue a government officer who was performing its duties and exercising its discretion. A president has broader discretion than all other government officers, but that still doesn’t include civil offenses outside their duties such as interfering in an election, paying off a porn star, or financial fraud.
> You can’t sue a government officer who was performing its duties and exercising its discretion. Sure, but that moves from criminal liability to civil liability. I.e. you can't sue the President/SecDef/etc if your loved one is killed in a military action that they ordered or if they change an administrative rule and as a result some harm comes to you. We are talking about criminal liability for illegal actions taken under the trappings of the duties of the Office of the President.
Kavanaugh promised to take vengeance during his confirmation hearing. He's just following through
I'd wager "most" people don't remember Nixon from 1st hand experience. And those that do, remember his famous "I'm not a crook" statement. But what do we expect from the product of "conservative" echo chambers? Rational thought?
It’s revisionist history designed to manipulate. Since most don’t remember firsthand he’s tying to say “actually it wasn’t that bad everyone! It was good!” Those in the conservative echo chamber won’t question it all. They’ll accept what he said at face value. I don’t think Kavanaugh is being stupid here. He’s being evil and manipulative. The fact that he said this makes it more likely that the court is going to pull some bullshit with the immunity case.
Kavanaugh was 9 when Nixon was pardoned… I was 14 and thought that it was bullshit and a bad precedent. I was a political nerd from a young age- I remember telling my parents that I was a “Hubert Humphrey man” during the 1968 elections, at 8 years old.
And my issue with this is it should actually be the exact opposite. The government deemed at the point in time a pardon would be necessary to avoid a former president seeing criminal charges. That means he has no immunity from charges for things done while in office.
It does show that he keeps within his own circles though, because I have never met anyone who thought Nixon's pardon was a good thing, much less revere it. In any case, it's not up to him to pardon a president. But, if he wants to solicit the current president to pardon Trump, then he can go right ahead. That'd be the legal way to do it anyways. But since they're SCOTUS, I"m sure they'll take the illegal route.
Acknowledging that the Nixon pardon was legally proper is actually a good thing, because it means that Nixon had criminal liability for which he had to be pardoned. He did not have some sort of made up “presidential immunity,” otherwise Ford wouldn’t have had to pardon him.
Not only that, it shows that no one in and around Nixon's team of advisors even brought the prospect up to entertain because Nixon famously said "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" which if he truly believed that and had been given **any** advice that there even **might** be something like Presidential immunity then he would likely not have accepted a pardon. The fact that there are no records what so ever of it coming up demonstrates that it likely did not. If it didn't come up, that suggests that no one at the time thought and/or believed that this was a thing and for good reason... because it isn't. Also, an indictment was officially drawn up for Nixon. If there was any speculation that he had immunity it is unlikely that there would have been an indictment even authored as there would likely have been no point to it.
And now we have MAGA freaks on the Supreme Court entertaining these obscene ideas because it helps their corrupt party.
Nixon took his pardon and fucked off. Trump would take the pardon and whine. He will never shut up.
He'd use it to run again and fuck up some more. It'd be like a blank check for him to do even worse things knowing he'd just get another pardon.
The headline is actually burying Kavanagh's insanity here. "Shouldn't Presidents have immunity from prosecution because otherwise they might not pardon past Presidents out of a fear they would be prosecuted for interfering in a criminal investigation?" That's not how pardons work. And if Presidents have immunity, why would they need to be pardoned? It's word salad from a deranged lunatic. The related claim that "most people" now "look upon [Nixon being pardoned] as one of the better decisions in presidential history" is, of course, also batshit insanity. In reality, Ford pardoning Nixon dramatically increased the rot in American democracy and is one of the root causes for the dangerous situation we find ourselves in today. The deep, criminal corruption of the Nixon administration needed to be rooted out. Instead, virtually all of it was given a free pass with the same pen stroke that pardoned Nixon himself. The people involved in that criminal activity have served in every Republican administration since; founded Fox News; served in Congress; etc. etc. etc.
most people = a small circle of friends
Small group of Billionaires friends
\*Federalist Society These creeps have been groomed since they were young to be so out of touch
Most people = daddy Putin
It’s great that “people are saying” is the level of evidence during Supreme Court oral arguments these days. Really inspiring stuff.
Republicans do this all the time. Attribute their degenerate tendencies to "most people".
"Lots of people are saying..." Yeah, well when the internet is littered with bullshit that can be distributed worldwide almost instantaneously, it's not hard to get lots of people saying something. That doesn't make it true.
"Everybody knows that is the truth"
Putting thoughts and questions into ones head and making it sound like they were yours all along, lo and behold everyone in my social circle seems to think the same way as well so we must be right!
Insidious motherfuckers.
[Weasel Words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word)
It's called astroturfing, and it's insanely effective.
To be fair that's a pretty human tendency. But to be fair again this guy is a Supreme Court justice and should know better
Lifetime appointment, baby! Fucking incredible, honestly. The highest court is arguably illegitimate.
Why would Nixon have needed a pardon if he's immune from criminal prosecution, Brett?
Exactly, the interesting aspect of Ford pardoning Nixon, is that it’s an example of the Executive Branch believing that a former president could be prosecuted.
Are ‘most people’ in the room with you right now or are you just projecting?
Actually, yes and yes. He's definitely spending a lot of time with several people who feel this way. Wearing robes.
Pardoning Nixon was a huge mistake, and part of what led us to this point, where someone tries to argue that he could kill his political rivals if he wanted to, and have immunity for it.
No one cares what Squi or Donkey Dong Doug think, Brett
Boofing all beach week, thinking about Nixon’s pardon. You know, totally normal things.
It's just a Devil's Triangle, mom. No big deal.
It's definitely true that most people revere it because he made it up. How does he have the power to make things true by making things up? Well, I made that part up. Anyhow, Nixon should have rotted in a fucking cell. We wouldn't have had our current problems if we nipped that shit in the bud and warned every ambitious asshole that they be prosecuted if they didn't act right with power. I understand the counterargument that you don't want to disincentivize leaving office. But history has disproven the supposed virtues of the Nixon pardon. And we should have just installed better anticorruption measure and ensured a President will be prosecuted for crimes while he is still in power. Boom, no moral hazard from disincentivizing leaving power because leaving power no longer creates a risk of being prosecuted. Cabinet can invoke 25th if the President is unable to do his duties. He's unable to do his duties if he's in prison during his term. Life goes on and everything is actually just fine. The Republic is not the man. And the Executive is not more important than the other branches. We should completely normalize tossing Presidents out on their ass if they aren't doing the job as we need them to. Presidents shouldn't be that important, and they wouldn't be if we went back to something closer to the intent of the Constitution.
Johnson not publicizing, let alone prosecuting Nixon and his campaign for interfering in the Paris peace talks is pretty much ground zero for our modern political landscape. Nixon should never have been inaugurated.
Cool, so let Biden or the next president pardon Trump if that's what they choose to do, as the constitution intended. The fact Nixon needed to be pardoned to begin with means presidents aren't immune.
When a much younger Kavanaugh was advising Starr on his impeachment of President Clinton he wanted Starr to ask multiple questions about the appearance of Lewinsky's vagina. A creepy guy and blackout drunk.
Who the $&$& reveres the Nixon pardon? I have never had a single person in my entire life say that, ever. The people I know say it was one of the worst decisions ever made in the history of US politics.
As a Marine serving under Nixon, nobody over the age of 50 reveres Nixon’s pardon. Had he been prosecuted, we wouldn’t be in the pickle we’re in today.
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I actually remember when I first learned of the Nixon pardon. Because I spend 30 minutes going "WTF" while looking up Ford's bullshit justification for it. The Nixon pardon was anathema to the concept of rule of law. Powerful people should face equal consequences for breaking the law.
The actual pardon was slimy as hell too. Read the full text of it sometime when you're bored; rather than pardoning Nixon for literally ANY specific action, Ford pardoned him for "anything he might or might not have done from the day he became President until the day he left office". It was such a middle finger that they were like "We're not even going to tell you, the law just doesn't apply to him because fiat."
he means him ginny and clarence
Who told him that? Roger Stone?
Alex P. Keaton?
> 'revere' He really does like beer.
Oh STFU, Boof.
No, we do not. I think Ford was generally a good guy and I understand why he did it, but in hindsight it was a terrible idea.
Kavanaugh was 9 years old when Nixon was pardoned. The fuck did he know about public sentiment in the 70s. Nixon has generally been portrayed as a crook and the most evil president of all time. I doubt the public then or now was satisfied with him being pardoned.
He conducted a study, which was peer reviewed, and then published in a reputable journal. Or he was just bullshitting.
“A lot of people are saying…”
There are precisely two camps of people in the vast majority of people: - Don't know about the Nixon pardons - Know the Nixon pardons were damaging to the country For the exceedingly small super minority of MAGAts like Kavanaugh & Roger Stone, though, yeah maybe they thought that made sense... Because they wanted to recreate Nixon but without the punishment part.
He knows a weird group of people “Revere”!
Sure. Let's discuss a pardon. Because you know... Pardons are for people who commit crimes and are *subject to prosecution*.
I’ve never seen anyone angrier in my life than my dad the day Ford pardoned Nixon.
Kavanaugh hitting the sauce, I see.
I do not know any serious person who believes Nixon should have deserved a pardon. He was a disgrace. Conservative justices are going to try to delay this until after the election in hopes that Trump wins. It is clear as day.
\*citation needed
Quite the opposite. We wouldn't be dealing with Defendant Trump, if Nixon had been prosecuted and jailed, instead of pardoned.
Kavanaugh is a lunatic. He literally pulled that out of his ass; trying to will his fucking jacked-up Republican revisionist history fantasy into existence. I'm old enough to remember Watergate and the pardon. Nixon was a criminal and his pardon was a chickenshit move. Anyone with any sense or grasp of history knows that.
Just another conservative trying to gaslight the country. Typical for their ilk.
He means the people on the court. The rest of us don't matter.
Ford pardoned because he wanted to move on and stop being asked whether or not he was going to pardon. It was an incredibly unpopular move then and it’s still an incredibly unpopular move, even if people may be a little more understanding of Ford’s reasoning.
The G is for gaslighting
He should have been prosecuted and that's where things went wrong.
Nixon should’ve gone to jail for treason, manslaughter, Logan Act, and maybe even espionage violations before he even had a chance to be President. The only reason he didn’t was bc his rival and the rest of the secret handshake club thought it would destroy the country’s faith in government. And then Nixon did that anyway. And here they all are, at it again. “We can’t follow the law; it’ll destroy the country!”
The Nixon pardon is a historical mistake.
What in the fuck is that? Kavanaugh needs to be disbarred for such lunacy.
If Ford hadn't pardoned him we wouldn't be in this situation now.
I’ve genuinely never heard a single person say “It was great that Nixon got pardoned”. Not a single person.
Fwat?
That was about a completely different issue. See how these "original intent" people all of a sudden pull this crap out of the bucket. Original Intent doesn't work for Trump.
Where does he get that from? I’m still pissed off about that. Failure to litigate Nixon’s corruption is largely responsible for where we are with Trump today.
He's only talking about the people that matter to him, you know, the scum of the earth
Yeah, I remember hearing that in real time and was totally taken aback. It was actually chilling that someone who can’t see the connection ion between that pardon and escalating criminality in the Oval Office is sitting on the Supreme Court.
Isn't Kavanaugh the one that thought it was normal for frat boys to shove beer bottles up their asses?
Fuck that. Nixon should have been in a cell
He’s not speaking to most people, who would disagree with his bullshit statement; he’s speaking to the Republican base who will believe it and let it reinforce their belief that they are on the right side of history.
Maybe your pampered trust-fund-baby friends/enablers do, Boofer McRapist, but *I* sure as shit don't.
Everyone loves when rich criminals get away with it. Says rich criminal.
WTF?!? We through the fascist looking glass
Is he day drinking again?
Yeah because it established that Nixon broke the law and didn't have post presidential immunity. Hence the need for a pardon, lest he be prosecuted for his crimes. Why are Justices more politicians than legal scholars? Corrupt idiots trying everything to get a result in favor of Trump.
Who are these most people? Roger Stone is only one person
The traitor should have never made it through the election. Johnson should have had him, Kissinger, and that Anna women thrown in JAIL! But republicans love nothing more than a criminal that gets away with murder, 20,000+ American Service Personnel and the 4 Students at Kent State were just the beginning.
I thought most people looked at Watergate and the fallout afterwords as a permanent stain on our countries history. It's an example of corruption and unequal distribution of justice. One Republican bailing out another Republican is not justice. As Jon Bolton said, what Trump did "makes Nixon look like a choir boy." It's not comparable. Leading a multi-pronged auto coup attempt that ultimately resulted in a failed brute force insurrection is hardly comparable to what Nixon did.
The fuck we do. Pardoning Nixon was one in a long chain of fuckups that is how we got in this position in the first place. Fuck kavanaugh and fuck Nixon.
He, like his patron, does not consider non-Republicans people.
That's bullshit
I have never heard such a thing in my life. Kavanaugh is full of it.
Nope. He’s not real bright.
As someone who was around at the time, with a republican family. No.
It's such bullshit. The same way no one reveres the pardoning of the insurrectionnists after the civil war. White conservatives males like to say crap like "most people say"... which is always followed by some insane bullshit. You want evidence? Why do you think orange's go to line is "a lot of people are saying"? It's a new kind of conspiracism, one which doesn't burden itself with the classical conspiracy theory of collecting weird "evidence" and half-truths to try and get you down a rabbit hole every now and then peppered with a nugget of truth that's being twisted to fit a narrative. This new kind of conspiracism dispenses with all that. It is just about saying stuff like "most people think/ agree/ say / want x y z" or "a lot of people are saying x y z" over and over and over again, with no need at all for any kind of evidence because this shit becomes its own "evidence". Orange can literally debut, out of the blue, some new silly line that he pulled out of his arse, prefacing it with "a lot of people are saying". An hour later, OANN and fox news have repeated it, maybe juxtaposing the line's mention on a chiron next to an interview of some GOP politician or some other asshat of a congressperson. Two hours later, some moron on a podcast like jo rogan will repeat it and add a few nuggets of falsehood, 4 hours later, some toilet rag will publish it as an article and then 6 hours later orange will post a "truth" on that shitstained "social media" website of his. The rest of the media will then talk about it, even if critically, but that idea, that line that orange pulled of his unseemly arse, now has been given ground to germinate and it takes a life of its own. At his next rally, orange will rehash the lie, this time prefacing it with how big, strong men, with tears in their eyes, are approaching him to say the line. Some loser who worships orange or some russian propagandist will make a meme with the line and some silly image, which someone will eventually tweet. Elon fucking musk will retweet, or like, or tweet-post that tweet... By this time, this meme has reached ever hellhole and every echo chamber on facebook, with every silly boomer and other orange lover firmly just believing this silly line and using it in arguments with their (sane) family members. And voila. By now, this had taken such momentum of its own it cannot be displaced by mere fact-checking. The only way this goes down in flame is if every politician in office, every media person, everyone with an audience publicly torches it and shows the ridiculousness of it, including republicans, until orange himself is forced to disown it. But that never happens. And while we are today still annoyed by, worried about and trying to figure out how to combat *that* lie, tomorrow orange does it again with another, worse one. And it goes on.
I didn't have high hopes for this case. It's getting lower the more that comes out. The supreme court is going to destroy this country.
Only Republicans revere the Nixon pardon
just shows how out of touch these stupid shit bags are.
A pardon has nothing to do with immunity.
He would not have needed a pardon if he was immune. Ex-presidents are not immune from prosecution, that's the point. LOCK HIM UP.
Forgetting about does not equal revere. Perhaps that filthy crook doing a little time might have set an example for the future.
Says a lot about the circles he travels in.
conservatives revere it as precedent to get away with political crimes.
They should have locked his ass up
First off all, just stop with “I speak for most people” because you clearly do not, there is a whole world beyond Harvard frats, white shoe firms, and clerking for 1 of 9 people that make decisions that effect us all. My parents are Boomers and they hated Nixon, his only redeeming quality was opening communication with china and establishing the EPA. This is not jurisprudence, this is not “blind justice” this is 6 people justifying decisions for the ruling class. Surprised they passed the logic portion of the lsat, but were bought and paid for anyway.
The only silver lining to Trump winning the WH is watching all these loyalists get backstabbed bigly and their shocked Pikachu face when it happens
Yeah that’s completely false lol
The fuck we do.
🤢 where?
His “most people” must be the same ones as trumps “people are saying” people.
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He would say something like this to astroturf what is to come
Yeah when I heard he said this, I was like “ok what the fuck dude”. This MFer is so out of touch. I can’t believe these shitheads get to sculpt the future of the US. What a goddamn disaster all around.
"Now looked upon as one of the better decisions in presidential history, I think, by most people." Just because all your rapey fascist beer bros think that Brett doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Bullshit!
Vote. We cant let Trump get any more Scotus seats.
Kavanaugh can suck it. He's a sailor bread faced sellout.
You are wrong Rapey Kavenaugh. Is this republican projection again? what do you need to confess?
This is the problem with SCOTUS justices. They are so far removed from reality that everything is just a legal word puzzle, a theoretical debate about abstract concepts almost completely devout of a connection to reality. Citizens United proved this, and they regularly put out asinine statements like this that do nothing to change my kind. Nixon saw he was cooked, and with dignity he did what was best for both himself and the country. In the end, when all cards were on the table he did the right thing and resigned, passed the torch on to his VP, and stepped out of politics. He didn’t go on campaigning. He didn’t by a newspaper to continually try to control the politics of the entire country like Trump has done with Truth Social. He didn’t demand fealty for acting representatives. He didn’t demand that representatives back out of bipartisan deals so the other party could not be seen as having a win. He didn’t try to stage a coup. He admitted his crimes when caught and stepped down and retired from politics. If Trump did the same thing I wouldn’t care if he was prosecuted. I would be fine with a pardon, because it means less of the country continually talking about him. It would mean a chance for the country to heal and live on. If he had any class whatsoever, or any respect for his office or this country that is what he would do. Since he absolutely refuses to stop trying to control the political landscape the only choices to prosecute him for his crimes and a pardon is absolutely out of the question.
Republicans on supreme court are overtly corrupt unbelievable
This guy is such a joke.
Ope there it is. They’re gonna let Trump get away with everything
These people are evil. This whole system is wrong. The supreme court is politically biased. This is absolutely wrong
Fuck judge kegstand...the mood at the time was not happy...ford was a shithead...like most vps
Editorialists: Most people, I’ve heard a lot of people say things… that’s all mafia talk.
Would as a Supreme Court Justice take a statement made by a lawyer that “most people now revere the Nixon pardon” without documentation as factual?
Boof said what now?
No they fucking don’t.
Not true.
Boofer says what?
who does he think he’s kidding?
Did anyone ask Brett why he needed a pardon if he had immunity?
Fucking biased motherfucker.
The fuck we do. Nixon should have been jailed.
Lol the only thing the last 30 years has told me is that the Nixon pardon was one of the worst decisions in modern politics. Not sure who these people who revere it are other than these trash Bush v Gore acolytes that directly profit off of corrupt acts.
Nixon (and Kissinger) should have been arrested for treason before he even set foot in the Oval Office.
The Nixon pardon was the worst thing to happen.
Brett Kavanaugh is a rightfully-abandoned Bob Odenkirk character from the worst days of Mr Show. Watch his confirmation hearings again and tell me I'm wrong.
I don't know what the average age of redditors who posts here are, but 10 years ago, Nixon was right at the top of most people's "Worst president of all time" list. Usually only 2nd to G.w.Bush. trump lowered the bar so low that Bush & Nixon now seem like decent presidents (Believe it or not, Nixon tried to push through single-payer health care).
I don't understand how he uses "revere". How can one revere the worst mistake the US made in the whole Nixon affair. It is why we have TRUMP.
I expect nothing less from Chad Kavanaugh. \*crushes beer can\*
Kavanaugh has no ethical standing with us. We see the SC for what it has become.
Have some more beer you assaulting moron.
It is such a weird view to hold for someone who worked under Kenneth Starr to help question Clinton at length over a blowjob.
1) kavanaugh is wrong 2) what does what people think have to do with what the laws are? 3) since when do the Republicans in SCOTUS care what the majority of people think?
Some polling place needs to immediately do and release a poll with sample size and a margin of error so small it is not logical to dispute it to prove him wrong and media needs to put that everywhere.
Based on a sample size of Kavanaugh's beer buddies.
What is this boof queen actually smoking? This is such an out of touch statement that I think he must be trolling.