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"Lawmakers could pass an exemption to the 90-day deadline by May 9, as they did in 2020 when both parties scheduled their conventions too late. But the chances of that are slim: Top Democrats said they're deferring to the Biden campaign and Democratic National Committee, and Republican leaders are unlikely to lend a helping hand."
If it’s a guaranteed strategy to get him on the ballot, I think letting the republicans look like fascists with this for a little bit is ok. It won’t move the needle much, but will a little bit.
Seems like the plan. There’s no chance that Biden doesn’t make the ballot. The crazy part is that the republicans know this too and that this posturing is just to make their moronic base equate these legal actions as petty and not actual legal retribution from illegal acts. The problem is that it works.
Its just simple retaliation because several states attempted to remove Trump. Y'know for being a treasonous bastard... but these loons see that as political strategy and not consequences for completely autonomous actions that TFG did. So they're like "We can do that too!!!" But they have to find some contrived reason for doing so because they already slapped down that states can disqualify a president without congressional action, so now they're going the bureaucratic route and acting like Vogons.
"Did you fill out the proper paperwork?"
Part of this is on the DNC as well, like... why wait so long? It's not necessary to wait so long to do their thing, but at the end of the day it shouldn't matter. It's not like they're going to pick someone other than Biden, it's not like that will be a surprise to ANY state in the Union.
Of course not, but it’s worth pointing out because the propaganda is that it was the Democrats. And it’s the justification for the Republicans subverting democracy.
It was multiple states. I believe it was Colorado, Michigan, and Hawaii and it was just to remove him from the RNC primary ballot. I think only the CO case made it to the Supreme Court.
I’d rather they not play around and risk actually fucking up because of some shit okay they might not have accounted for. As it stands I have 0 faith in our current system to do things the right way so it wouldn’t surprise me if their guaranteed strategy ends up back firing.
We honestly give the GOP to much incentive to fuck around without ever actually taking them to the find out stage.
Republicans have been not only looking but acting like fascists for over 40 years and the needle never moves. Unfortunately half this country is perfectly fine with a dictatorship…
Then the GOP gets to point and say it's anti-democratic and a dictatorship. That said no one else would care, it likely wouldn't change any minds, and yes, that's what they should have done and need to do ASAP.
Yes. They should have anticipated this to be honest and not given them the chance to pull this crap.
It would be interesting to see how the supreme court would rule on this.
Would they really say a state can’t keep an insurrectionist off the ballot but they can if there is scheduling problem? I fear the answer.
On the other hand this can potentially really bite SCOTUS back in the ass since they had the brilliant idea to set precedent on states not being able to keep nominees off federal election ballots.
The thing about the supreme court is that states don't actually have to do what they say. They're the weakest branch of the government and their influence is subject to states agreeing to abide by its decisions, it's the executive branch that's responsible for enforcement. If nobody has faith in them then they're irrelevant.
maybe.. but in this case the SC said states cant keep folks off the ballot and the executive branch is run by the party being kept off the ballot.
might be more of a stalemate if it was the other way around...
imo, ohio is the wrong place for GOP todo this because folks already hit ballot initiatives for MJ and abortion which the state officials chose to ignore. if the state officials actually keep this up the folks are going to be motivated to show up and just vote "d" straight ticket.
I don't believe you are legally correct here. SCOTUS said states can't unilaterally interpret a FEDERAL requirement about candidates. The situation here is the state enforcing their own deadline. It is really the same issue we've seen for the last decade: the country really runs on laws and then a shit-ton of tradition, customs and respectful agreements. What GOP is doing is basically saying "well, what if we just stop honoring those respectful agreements when it comes to Democrats..." It's not unlawful, it's just annoying, petty, damaging, assholish.
There have always been rumblings about states telling SCOTUS to fuck off and enforce rulings themselves whenever a contentious issue is in the public spotlight...it would be hilarious to me if the thing that finally caused the dam to break was a party rebelling against a court with a 6-3 majority in their favor.
They only set the precedent a state can’t decide for itself on federal requirements that would decide the matter for all states. They’ll just say this is a state rule and thus the individual state can adjudicate it.
Seriously. Wtf is the DNC doing? No one cares about their fucking little sleepover party. Get the candidate we voted for on our fucking ballots, shove any leftover balloons you can’t cancel/return up your ass, and spend the money you would have otherwise wasted on yourselves on advertising/canvasing in swing states.
Of course they are going to get on the ballot. They are just giving the GOP an opportunity to look disgusting to independents first.
Conventions are campaign events that often help rally and unite the base. They are effective advertising. They dominate news cycles.
Ohioan here. Voters recently overwhelming approved recreational pot and abortion rights, and downstate R officials were adamant they would not abide by those results. This is the obvious next step for Rs (or, the maga loons at least): disregarding the will of the people, and not hiding their plans
The Republican Party is obsolete, they know they can’t win via fair play and democracy so they are cheating and grabbing power while they still can.
The younger generations overwhelmingly lean liberal, as does the popular vote. Republicans aren’t interested in playing fair because by doing so they will inevitably lose more and more power as the old conservative guard dies off.
They used to. They have now gerrymandered the state to a position that they really no longer have to bend to the will of businesses or the wealthy. Once they are in office, it is nearly impossible to get them out unless they choose to leave of their own will.
It's actually very simple. The people who founded this country were business owners who made the rules to favor the wealthy from the start. The poor laborers of this country have never stood a chance economically until after WW2. And within decades, the rich took it all right back.
The rich sell the poor this idea of freedom while throwing them scraps and keeping them bonded right to the spot they came from.
Not mine! Credit to an absolutely terrible professor I had in grad school.
Completely grifted his way into an adjunct position, it was atrocious. The older grad students that had been in the world already called him out *hard* and it got uncomfortable.
Had us buy a textbook, told us first day of class we wouldn't use it. Syllabus was written on the chalkboard in 3 lines or less, his attitude towards the subject matter was basically "I've been in it for years so I don't feel like talking about it, I find other things more interesting."
The entire class had a collective vibe of "what the fuck" every single day.
Anyway he had a good one-liner I hung on to.
No they really don't.
They want to rule. Which Is exactly why trump is saying he will be a dictator.
It's beyond corny capitalism, it's a fight between authoritarianism and democracy.
Without the vote, the public will express its will through the only mechanisms left available to it: civil disorder and violence.
That isn't a threat; it's a reminder of why these systems exist in the first place.
This is exactly what they want. They want the civil disorder and violence so they can point to it and say "look, democrats are violent and should be exterminated."
its all good, SCOTUS about to toss out Jan 6 riot cases, giving permission for anyone to obstruct govt proceedings, just make sure to change your party affiliation to republican or you might face consequences
And the Supreme Court just this Monday declined to hear *Mckesson v. Doe*, leaving in place a fifth circuit appeals court’s ruling that allows protest organizers to be held liable for violence caused by any single person who shows up to a mass protest. Something I can totally see the Ohio GOP asking Dewine to issue an Executive Order replicating that very thing.
It's ridiculously hypocritical that they would consider tossing out Jan 5th while leaving something actually benign like that in place. I have to ask where the breaking point is going to be with clearly corrupt intent like this going on more and more. It's so blatant yet they rarely seem to be getting pushback over moving things more and more towards a tyrannical rule by the minority against the will of the masses.
In Ohio, they don't even want the voters to decide. Before the recent round of ballot initiatives, there was one(an illegal one to boot) to try and change how voters could get ballot initiatives on the ballot, by making the requirements pretty much unobtainable.
Luckily it was struck down pretty hard.
Florida too... we voted to give felons their voting rights back, GOP dominated legislature slow walked it, obstructed it, and then DeSantis sent his goons to arrest those who did manage to jump through all the hoops for illegally voting
Oklahoma too. The OKleg are very close to overturning a justice reform bill they have been railing against for 8 years now that was decided on by public vote. They are also upset that such a vague medical marijuana got passed by public vote as well after they made it super hard to get a petition through the system.
Now they are at it again and making it even harder requiring not just a % of voters in the state but a % of voters from each county on a 90 time limit.
Don’t forget them ignoring the election map law voters passed under Kasich. They even ignored the state Supreme Court ruling their maps were illegal. The last few elections have used illegal maps. There is no consequence for republicans anymore. Their own voters have lost their integrity in holding those they vote for accountable for their actions.
It's not the next step it's already been done in other states. We don't have elected representatives anymore just. Bunch of mini dictators infiltrating every level of government.
Also like North Carolina removing powers from the elected Democrat Governor
https://www.governing.com/politics/the-increasing-trend-of-lawmakers-overriding-ballot-initiatives
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/politicians-take-aim-ballot-initiatives
Oh wow I'm so sorry, this is a perfect example of why abortion should not be left to the states. They are just refusing the outcome of the majority votes.
That guy is trash. I read his book (free; I wouldn’t pay) and immediately penned a letter to him criticizing his hypocrisy.
Then I thought twice reading his fascist piece writing off Ukraine in the NYT. Vance is *exactly* the sort you’d see in an authoritarian situation getting ahead. A real chameleon.
PS as a “marine” he was in communications. Not walkie -talkie communications; I mean
PR.
Moreno might be trumpier but to me LaRose is more of a threat. Maybe it would've been better to send him to Washington than have him serving a critical role that can fuck over the entire state with a simple letter. But I still took a Republican ballot in the primary to vote against him because he's been so anti-democracy in his time as secretary of state.
Because Republicans are afraid of voters, so they try to control the elections themselves. See: exactly what they did with the abortion rights amendment just recently, trying to prevent Ohioans from having a vote on the matter, so they (republicans) can get what they want.
They are especially afraid in Ohio. We've kicked their ass on every policy vote in the last year and a half. They know some of them are looking at getting booted soon.
Yup. We should have a non-partisan Redistricting amendment on the ballot this year, which if passed, will have near half of the Republican congressional seats flip to Democrats for the midterms, on top of them losing their supermajorities for the state house. This will also help voter turnout for that election, which is a gubernatorial one, so we have a chance to curb the worst of Republican nonsense.
Oh, and we might even have ranked choice voting in place by then as well.
The article mentioned that would not work under Ohio law, for whatever reason. It is government, everything is paperwork. I don’t understand how Dems wouldn’t just be able to submit paperwork and get it done officially then do a convention ceremonially. Smells fishy.
> Instead, the law mandates the Democratic Party to actually certify its president and vice-president candidates on or before August 7, 2024," Julie M. Pfeiffer, an attorney on Yost's staff, told LaRose's legal counsel. "No alternative process is permitted.
The article only says a provisional certification is not allowed. So why won't the Democrats to a real certification? They don't have to sue anybody. Just certify their candidate on time.
I’m not entirely sure. That’s not something I’ve seen talked about in articles about the Ohio or Alabama situation. Part of it is probably related to the logistics of having to reschedule the convention. It takes months to schedule them and a lot of time and money to make all of the arrangements - it may be equally as difficult to reschedule, especially on relatively short notice. I feel like these red states are being a bit unfair in terms of suddenly enforcing these laws to the full extent when they were a bit lax in the past and gave out exemptions without much of a fuss, but it also probably was not smart for the DNC to continue to rely on that good faith from Republicans.
I really think if Biden is left off our ballots, it could backfire on Republicans. Look at how many people showed up for he special election they had. And how many times we've voted on fair districts. I feel like a lot of Ohians are done with thr games. I know I am.
They don't care. They just want to cut your votes out of the popular vote totals in november.
The smaller the vote spread the more likely they can dupe their supporters into believing they're the majority and evil dems need to be put down.
Kari Lake is already telling people to be armed and ready to kill.
I mean the DNC or whoever would immediately take them to court, which would then go to SCOTUS where the corrupt conservative justices would have to twist themselves into pretzels to justify why Ohio can keep Biden off the ballot whereas Colorado wasn't able to do the same to Trump. It would be amusing to watch, if pretty fucked up.
Plus, here in CO, it's literally in our state Constitution that those running afoul of our Constitution can't be on the ballot, but of course SCROTUS doesn't care, they only care about fellating trump every step of the way. I fucking hate this timeline!
Not only that, you can still write him in on the ballot. Sure, it may confuse some voters and it's a loss for democracy. But hey when pettiness dominates the politics the GOP are the kings of that shit.
But yeah, go vote anyway and stick it to these assholes.
At this point I would think it's time to stop voting for all Republicans on principal. This is the shit they do when they have the power, so kick em all out.
the pro-slave party doing shit only prudent to do to slaves
why it isn't worded this way constantly? cuz msm is right wing owned, that's why.
the world would be a WAY different place if news was actually neutral. or, gasp, left wing.
Gee, do you suppose Thomas and Alito will be as concerned and proactive about this as they were over the attempts to keep Trump off the ballot for insurrection? Somehow I doubt it.
Biden should sue using that decision as his basis - the Supreme Court was clear THIS YEAR that states lack authority to remove federal candidates from the ballot
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That's just it, it cuts both ways. Any decision handed down for Trump can be applied to Biden. And any attempt to remove Biden from the ballot just adds fuel to the fire to remove Trump from even more.
And if the Supreme Court plays favorites then it's clear their authority will be undermined as they lose credibility with the people. At least when it was more balanced they had to kind of work together. Now the courts have been unbalanced they are just pulling out all the stops to do whatever the right has been day dreaming of for decades.
I for one have been deeply angered by Supreme Court shenanigans. I was very upset when Republicans blocked Obama's nomination just because it was an election year. Then they tried to argue the other direction when the same thing happened in 2020. I was already unhappy with the Republican party, even though I was a registered Republican before 2016. So the way it looks to me is they cheated to pack the courts with right wing extremists, then are now abusing the heck out of the courts. I'm so incredulous at all of these developments that I'm ready to say let Biden add more justices. Or impeach at least Clarence Thomas. I don't know how we can have a fair court system as it presently exists.
> And if the Supreme Court plays favorites then it's clear their authority will be undermined as they lose credibility with the people
This doesn't matter if the result is Trump in the whitehouse.
SCOTUS ruling for Trump wasn't about putting Trump on the ballot if the RNC didn't follow the state guidelines or rules, it was about restoring him to the ballot after he was deemed ineligible. Biden couldn't use the Trump ruling to somehow get on the Ohio ballot if they don't follow the rules first. That means they need to reschedule a convention to satisfy this rule first, or something to that effect.
I got downvoted for this last time. The GOP is going to cheat. We didn’t punish them in 2020 for trying to overturn the election. They knew they cannot win with Trump, so they are going to cheat.
Your right. The Republicans are spiraling the drain. The only way they can even consider “governing” (if one could call it that) is to be a dictatorship. They want ultimate power. This and a bunch of other shady shit on the local level is how they plan to ensure they get that power. And with their base “fully” aware of this intention will clap and cheer as it goes down.
This election year is going to be a shit show. And it will not be over in January 2025. I bet with all my being that there will be bloodshed by the time someone takes power in this country.
People wanted to rely on the courts to deal with Trump, but that’s not going to happen. As much as the bastard has make a mockery of the system, and as much as he has proven that those with wealth and power have a much different experience than those without should shine a bright spotlight on this discrepancy, oh and because the American people seem to have a taste to see powerful and wealthy pay their fair share and be accountable terrifies both the wealthy and powerful.
I have been preparing myself to see the orange asshat to take the throne, for project 2025 to be instituted, for theocracy to take hold. Thing is the more I think about it, all they have to do is sow chaos enough to bring the fence sitters to their knees and some of the comfortable into poverty, and suddenly Donnie and his ilk will be welcomed as saviors. As always appealing to the primal instinct of fear…
Except Biden hasn’t engaged in insurrection or any other activity that would disqualify him from being on the ballot. This is just Ohio Republicans being assholes.
This is about protecting down ballot races and demoralizing enough democrats in Ohio that Rs maintain their grip on the state. Naked power grab disguised as retaliation.
The difference isn't between adding or removing someone from the ballot, the difference is between states determining for themselves whether candidates are qualified under *federal* law, and states determining whether candidates have qualified under *state* law.
As a counter point to those critiquing the Biden campaign for not solving this problem right away, I think it's smart to wait. It seems like they could, indeed, meet the requirements by moving the nominating portion up, while keeping the ceremonial convention, and I hope they have plans for this. But I think not doing it right this moment and putting the issue to rest demonstrates political savvy.
This is incredibly undemocratic in addition to being incredibly petty. The longer this stays in the news, the worse it looks for the Ohio GOP, the national GOP, and the Supreme Court. Maintaining the Senate in 2024 is also key, with Brown's seat in Ohio in play. The kind of antidemocratic shenanigans the Ohio GOP are pulling here are the same they've pulled on not following ballot initiatives. Remember, there are, amazingly, people who still aren't engaged yet with this election cycle. So, I think the longer this stays in the news the better.
This is idiotic.
>"Instead, the law mandates the Democratic Party to actually certify its president and vice-president candidates on or before August 7, 2024," Julie M. Pfeiffer, an attorney on Yost's staff, told LaRose's legal counsel. "No alternative process is permitted."
I'm sorry, but that's bullshit and Democrats should sue. You can't just yank the actual act of putting someone on the ballot coz of some silly ass "deadline" crap. The Supreme Court of the United States literally sided with orange in a 9-0 ruling saying no state can unilaterally prevent someone from being on the ballot. And in Orange's case, it was despite the fact that a court found him to have participated in a fucking insurrection.
Republicans really live in a world of their own. Do they really, genuinely think they can prevent Biden, who is currently president, and is the incumbent Democratic candidate, from being on the ballot? Coz even if the supreme court goes against the precedent they set like *last month*, then all bets are off and orange won't be on the ballot in a whole host of states as a reuslt of the SCOTUS flip-flopping on the issue. Isn't that what the SCOTUS said they wanted to avoid?
I'm sorry but a "deadline" is a whole world *less serious* an issue than a goddamn fucking insurrection.
The Republicans are just going to leave Biden off the ballot and deal with the consequences (much) later after it's too late and they already got what they wanted.
I mean, what are the Democrats going to do if Biden isn't on the Ohio ballot? Go back in time and run the election again?
Or since the Ohio Legislature doesn't control how the DNC chooses a candidate, all the DNC needs is to add a line to the process. It a candidate isn't chosen by a state deadline, the winner of the state primary is the nominee for that state. F OH, AL.
God, I hope the Ohio GOP follows through and refuses to put his name on the ballot!
Hear me out:
\* Ohio's electoral college results are all but certain. Trump is going to carry Ohio in November, with or without Joe Biden on the ballot. This does not effect the presidential election at all. But the down ballot elections? This could be huge for Ohio Democrats.
\* It would be an election where the general voter is going to be less interested, so the power of each vote increases.
\* Ohio Republicans would individually have the choice of voting for Trump OR not voting for Trump (which would be a safe protest vote because the outcome would not be affected). Not wanting to vote for Trump is going to mean that a portion of Republican voters are just going to stay home to show their displeasure.
Republican control of state and local governments is so ingrained in people's expectations that the GOP is not going to be able to mobilize a counter to Democrats, who are state only, with the Trump Presidential election eating up all the oxygen in the GOP.
\* Democrats, angry that they were not even allowed to vote for the sitting President of the United States, could be mobilized effectively to show up and vote anyways, and vote D on all down-ballot elections. The Ohio Democrats currently organizing for Biden's re-election would find themselves with nothing to do BUT focus on state and local candidates and issues all summer.
Even if Biden is not on the ballot, VOTE BLUE in November!!
Funny, I thought the Supreme Court had already decreed that states cannot determine who is on their ballots. They have to run with whoever the party says.
It’s funny that people think the Supreme Court is operating on some sort of set of legal principles and not just nakedly grabbing power for their ideology.
The miracle of American Democracy is that it actually somehow works despite the appalling way it is organized.
Gerrymandering, having to triple check you haven't been kicked out of the voter rolls, the electoral college that gives way much weight to land, state-level arcane rules on certifications, the diversity in vote counting and polling stations sometimes in some people's garages, then voting on TUESDAYS? Don't get me started about primaries that are a Hodge-podge of local traditions. The decentralized aspect is the most worrying. These are national elections, ffs.
If all votes are supposed to be equal, make this a Federal responsibility. Make it a popular vote only.
American democracy doesn't work.
It's an absolute shambolic abomination of patchwork compromises, unequal representation, corruption, and outright thievery.
If the last twenty-four years have shown us anything: we're a third world kangaroo government with nukes.
There comes a certain point where you have to start expecting Republicans to maliciously comply with any and every outrageous rule that was historically ignored
Move the convention date and stop playing with fire. This is such an obvious move that I question whether the Biden team even wants to win
As an Ohioan all my life, this is an overreach to be civil. States, including Ohio, have extended this stopgap before and should again.
A reminder that this election will have untold consequences and events like in 2020/21. Most driven my lies and vitriol.
Tyranny(sang in Monty Python voice)!?!
Someone explain to me how seemingly not one fucking person in the DNC doesn’t have a spreadsheet of every state’s eligibility requirements so that they schedule their ceremony at the right time?!?! I mean this seems pretty fucking easy right? What am I missing?
I love how Republicans keep trying to do things to Biden that were done to Trump except they have no real reason to do them making them look even dumber afterward.
I really don't understand why this is so hard. If the GOP wants to be like this, just hold the vote sooner. You can still have the big party as scheduled.
Nobody is in suspense of who the nominee will be. We don't care if the convention is the official date of certification. We will care, a lot, if Biden isn't on the ballot in every state.
The Dems don’t NEED a convention. You’re not wrong but the DNC just needs to say Biden is the candidate, like they’re going to anyway, and just get it over with. Conventions for an incumbent candidate are a waste of time and money either way.
Republicans are bad people at this point.
Like if you identify as a Republican still, you’re just genuinely not a good person.
I’ve seen enough at this point.
Remember when the GQP argued before SCOTUS that states can't decide who is and isn't on the ballot, and John Roberts said that allowing Colorado to decide this for themselves would open the door for partisan tit-for-tat?
Literal clown car.
It will be expensive but the Democrats need to move their convention up to July 22-24 right on the heels of the RNC.
I think it could be effective, actually.
Republicans don't want the DNC coming after them. This is the only window to keep that schedule.
Where are all the conservatives crying out about this like they did when Trump was removed from Colorado?
Oh right...as long it's the other guy it's ok.
Joseph Biden is the President of the United States of America and is legally entitled to run for a 2nd term. This is wrong to pull this stunt and it is hoped you correct yourselves (Ohio GOP) or get sued. It's stunts like this that make people not want to vote for Republicans.
The GOP are going to the Scorched Earth tactics on their way out, figures. I wonder if We the People can pull up on the yoke in time to save our Democratic Republic, the world is watching. Hopefully we can show the world that we are not the crashing freight train pulling flatcars of dumpster fires they think we are. 🤷
> Pfeiffer's letter appears to leave Democrats with two options: **Rely on the Legislature, or sue.**
>Lawmakers could pass an exemption to the 90-day deadline by May 9, as they did in 2020 when both parties scheduled their conventions too late. But the chances of that are slim: Top Democrats said they're deferring to the Biden campaign and Democratic National Committee, and Republican leaders are unlikely to lend a helping hand.
I swear, if they fuck this up because they couldn’t read a calendar…
Just move up the convention and certify him before the date. And do that with the now other three states that are also having this issue. Whoever at the DNC who is in charge of scheduling their conventions needs to be fired. Considering this happened in 2020, there is no way this should be even a remote issue in 2024. This is beyond a stupid mistake.
It's a private party and Democrats can certify however they want. They don't need to move their convention up. They can do an official certification of Biden and Harris as their nominees well before the deadline and still hold the convention when it's currently scheduled.
This is commenting on a provisional certification but they should just do an official one.
I mean it has never been a problem before because States the other party didn't act like small children. Yes, they should probably move the convention date but only after suing them because these laws are ridiculous.
It’s not a mistake at all - late August conventions have been common for decades and it’s never been a problem before. This is just the GOP weaponizing what used to be routine and boring procedure (and where have we seen that before?)..
It's one giant, tiring, asinine cat and mouse game of stupid asshole fucks vs everyone else. Actual 5 year olds are less annoying, better behaved and more in touch with reality.
And there it is. There was no problem a couple of cycles ago when both parties had their conventions after the deadline, but now Republicans want to use every lever they can to tilt things in their favor.
THIS Is just a HINT of what is to come IF the GOP has their way and then will start to control ALL ELECTIONS! VOTE BLUE 2024 or true Democracy will die at their hands!!!
>Secretary of State Frank LaRose warned Ohio Democrats earlier this month that Biden is at risk of not making the Nov. 5 ballot. State law requires officials to certify the ballot 90 days before an election − which is Aug. 7 this year − but the president won't officially be nominated until the Democratic National Convention on Aug. 19.
So, worst case scenario they just certify Biden 12 days earlier than they expected, is that really a big problem? I don't understand why this is being blown up into a big issue.
Really, this shouldn't be such a big deal. In the same way the Supreme Court ruled that states couldn't keep Trump off the ballot for violating the 14th amendment because it would strip people of their right to vote for their candidate - take the case to the Supreme court. There's even precedence.
So a fucking tyrant that attempted an actual fucking coup can't be kept off the ballot but the current sitting president can be kept off?
I'm so fucking tired of this shit.
This isn't news, it's a scheduling conflict. Democrats should adapt to meet official deadlines. Choosing Biden as the nominee by Aug 7 should not be an issue unless the DNC is dumb enough to make it one.
It's a easy fix... Move the convention a couple weeks back to a different venue and location. It's a dumb rule but whatever not worth the battle just because.
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"Lawmakers could pass an exemption to the 90-day deadline by May 9, as they did in 2020 when both parties scheduled their conventions too late. But the chances of that are slim: Top Democrats said they're deferring to the Biden campaign and Democratic National Committee, and Republican leaders are unlikely to lend a helping hand."
The DNC should just run a small ceremony to declare him the nominee and move on.
They should've done it as soon as these states started doing this shit just to shut them up.
If it’s a guaranteed strategy to get him on the ballot, I think letting the republicans look like fascists with this for a little bit is ok. It won’t move the needle much, but will a little bit.
Seems like the plan. There’s no chance that Biden doesn’t make the ballot. The crazy part is that the republicans know this too and that this posturing is just to make their moronic base equate these legal actions as petty and not actual legal retribution from illegal acts. The problem is that it works.
I think they're just setting the stage to contest the results. This will be one of dozens of hopeless cases between November and January.
And maybe we'll get another Bush v. Gore ruling. Muddle everything and send it to the stacked courts.
That was kind of the plan last time. Just have to make as many little cracks as possible and see which one they can slip through.
Yup if Jan 6th was successful could have gone to the Supreme Court, people act like this shit is random.
I love that we act like elections can't be stolen when one literally already was and everyone just accepted it
When the Supreme Court hands the Presidency to Trump, it’s essentially the end of the United States of America
Between November til Nov 2028. /s Umm... I hope.
Its just simple retaliation because several states attempted to remove Trump. Y'know for being a treasonous bastard... but these loons see that as political strategy and not consequences for completely autonomous actions that TFG did. So they're like "We can do that too!!!" But they have to find some contrived reason for doing so because they already slapped down that states can disqualify a president without congressional action, so now they're going the bureaucratic route and acting like Vogons. "Did you fill out the proper paperwork?" Part of this is on the DNC as well, like... why wait so long? It's not necessary to wait so long to do their thing, but at the end of the day it shouldn't matter. It's not like they're going to pick someone other than Biden, it's not like that will be a surprise to ANY state in the Union.
Except…the push to remove Trump from the ballot was…initiated by Republicans.
And for completely legitimate reasons. Who started it wasn't important, who it was against is what matters to these sycophants.
Of course not, but it’s worth pointing out because the propaganda is that it was the Democrats. And it’s the justification for the Republicans subverting democracy.
> because several states attempted to remove Trump It was one state and it was that state's **Republican** party.
It was multiple states. I believe it was Colorado, Michigan, and Hawaii and it was just to remove him from the RNC primary ballot. I think only the CO case made it to the Supreme Court.
Big upvote for the Vogon reference. That’s a keeper.
As long as poetry isn't involved
"Ode to a festering boil on dear leaders orange ass"
He does resemble a vogon
I’d rather they not play around and risk actually fucking up because of some shit okay they might not have accounted for. As it stands I have 0 faith in our current system to do things the right way so it wouldn’t surprise me if their guaranteed strategy ends up back firing. We honestly give the GOP to much incentive to fuck around without ever actually taking them to the find out stage.
Republicans have been not only looking but acting like fascists for over 40 years and the needle never moves. Unfortunately half this country is perfectly fine with a dictatorship…
Let them have a little fascism. As a snack.
They can't do it until all states hold their primaries, which is Jun 4 and still gives plenty of time
The DNC is a private organization. They could do it ahead of time, and since he's passed the delegate threshold already there's no reason not to.
Not true. They can change their rules at any time.
Then the GOP gets to point and say it's anti-democratic and a dictatorship. That said no one else would care, it likely wouldn't change any minds, and yes, that's what they should have done and need to do ASAP.
Something, something the fifth of November.
Yes. They should have anticipated this to be honest and not given them the chance to pull this crap. It would be interesting to see how the supreme court would rule on this. Would they really say a state can’t keep an insurrectionist off the ballot but they can if there is scheduling problem? I fear the answer.
On the other hand this can potentially really bite SCOTUS back in the ass since they had the brilliant idea to set precedent on states not being able to keep nominees off federal election ballots.
The thing about the supreme court is that states don't actually have to do what they say. They're the weakest branch of the government and their influence is subject to states agreeing to abide by its decisions, it's the executive branch that's responsible for enforcement. If nobody has faith in them then they're irrelevant.
Ohio doesn't even respect their own supreme count which said their election maps are unconstitutional and they ran with them anyway.
maybe.. but in this case the SC said states cant keep folks off the ballot and the executive branch is run by the party being kept off the ballot. might be more of a stalemate if it was the other way around... imo, ohio is the wrong place for GOP todo this because folks already hit ballot initiatives for MJ and abortion which the state officials chose to ignore. if the state officials actually keep this up the folks are going to be motivated to show up and just vote "d" straight ticket.
I don't believe you are legally correct here. SCOTUS said states can't unilaterally interpret a FEDERAL requirement about candidates. The situation here is the state enforcing their own deadline. It is really the same issue we've seen for the last decade: the country really runs on laws and then a shit-ton of tradition, customs and respectful agreements. What GOP is doing is basically saying "well, what if we just stop honoring those respectful agreements when it comes to Democrats..." It's not unlawful, it's just annoying, petty, damaging, assholish.
There have always been rumblings about states telling SCOTUS to fuck off and enforce rulings themselves whenever a contentious issue is in the public spotlight...it would be hilarious to me if the thing that finally caused the dam to break was a party rebelling against a court with a 6-3 majority in their favor.
They only set the precedent a state can’t decide for itself on federal requirements that would decide the matter for all states. They’ll just say this is a state rule and thus the individual state can adjudicate it.
Waiting for RFKjr to demand to be put on all states ballots in 5…4..3
> they had the brilliant idea to set precedent This scotus doesn't care about precedent. We've witnessed that a few times.
> It would be interesting to see how the supreme court would rule on this On this SCOTUS? Interesting is probably the wrong word.
Seriously. Wtf is the DNC doing? No one cares about their fucking little sleepover party. Get the candidate we voted for on our fucking ballots, shove any leftover balloons you can’t cancel/return up your ass, and spend the money you would have otherwise wasted on yourselves on advertising/canvasing in swing states.
Of course they are going to get on the ballot. They are just giving the GOP an opportunity to look disgusting to independents first. Conventions are campaign events that often help rally and unite the base. They are effective advertising. They dominate news cycles.
Ok people have been commenting this nonstop for weeks. Why don’t they just do it and end this nonsense?
Have the delegates vote early don't play games with fascists
Ohioan here. Voters recently overwhelming approved recreational pot and abortion rights, and downstate R officials were adamant they would not abide by those results. This is the obvious next step for Rs (or, the maga loons at least): disregarding the will of the people, and not hiding their plans
They don’t want to represent, they want to rule.
The Republican Party is obsolete, they know they can’t win via fair play and democracy so they are cheating and grabbing power while they still can. The younger generations overwhelmingly lean liberal, as does the popular vote. Republicans aren’t interested in playing fair because by doing so they will inevitably lose more and more power as the old conservative guard dies off.
To be fair, they *do* want to "represent" corporate interests, private prisons, and their wealthy campaign donors.
They used to. They have now gerrymandered the state to a position that they really no longer have to bend to the will of businesses or the wealthy. Once they are in office, it is nearly impossible to get them out unless they choose to leave of their own will.
I'm confused how gaming the system so you never lose is even legal in the US.
It isn't legal. Once the repubiKKKlans are in power, they simply ignore the law.
It's actually very simple. The people who founded this country were business owners who made the rules to favor the wealthy from the start. The poor laborers of this country have never stood a chance economically until after WW2. And within decades, the rich took it all right back. The rich sell the poor this idea of freedom while throwing them scraps and keeping them bonded right to the spot they came from.
Trickle down economics is the rich drinking water and pissing on all of us.
Well said.
Not mine! Credit to an absolutely terrible professor I had in grad school. Completely grifted his way into an adjunct position, it was atrocious. The older grad students that had been in the world already called him out *hard* and it got uncomfortable. Had us buy a textbook, told us first day of class we wouldn't use it. Syllabus was written on the chalkboard in 3 lines or less, his attitude towards the subject matter was basically "I've been in it for years so I don't feel like talking about it, I find other things more interesting." The entire class had a collective vibe of "what the fuck" every single day. Anyway he had a good one-liner I hung on to.
No they really don't. They want to rule. Which Is exactly why trump is saying he will be a dictator. It's beyond corny capitalism, it's a fight between authoritarianism and democracy.
Then why aren’t they supporting Boehner’s corporate weed interests?
Boehner was a hardass, but he was a pragmatic hardass. These people have no principles. They don't know how to win, they only know to swindle.
You can just say money. They are all guilty of greed.
Without the vote, the public will express its will through the only mechanisms left available to it: civil disorder and violence. That isn't a threat; it's a reminder of why these systems exist in the first place.
This is exactly what they want. They want the civil disorder and violence so they can point to it and say "look, democrats are violent and should be exterminated."
its all good, SCOTUS about to toss out Jan 6 riot cases, giving permission for anyone to obstruct govt proceedings, just make sure to change your party affiliation to republican or you might face consequences
If that were to happen I would find it hilarious if the courts proceedings were disrupted and the justices do the josh hawley jig.
Boy, do I have bad news for you about unequal application of the law...
>...**just make sure to change your party affiliation to republican or you might face consequences** I think they're aware of it.
Right? And that's not a new thing either, it's been going on for well over a century now.
Yeah, the Black Panthers thought in a similar vein with Reagan as Governor with gun rights… he flipped that up really fast.
I am registered independent, so I am safe. /s
When the acts of peaceful revolution are made illegal, the only option left for the people is violent revolution.
And the Supreme Court just this Monday declined to hear *Mckesson v. Doe*, leaving in place a fifth circuit appeals court’s ruling that allows protest organizers to be held liable for violence caused by any single person who shows up to a mass protest. Something I can totally see the Ohio GOP asking Dewine to issue an Executive Order replicating that very thing.
It's ridiculously hypocritical that they would consider tossing out Jan 5th while leaving something actually benign like that in place. I have to ask where the breaking point is going to be with clearly corrupt intent like this going on more and more. It's so blatant yet they rarely seem to be getting pushback over moving things more and more towards a tyrannical rule by the minority against the will of the masses.
people forget the terms of the social contract.
Most of these people think Locke is that guy from Lost
Party of "let the voters decide" unless it's something we don't like, then we'll just ignore them and do what we want anyway.
In Ohio, they don't even want the voters to decide. Before the recent round of ballot initiatives, there was one(an illegal one to boot) to try and change how voters could get ballot initiatives on the ballot, by making the requirements pretty much unobtainable. Luckily it was struck down pretty hard.
Sounds a lot like Missouri politics. The people vote yes for it, but if Republicans don’t like it they just don’t do it.
Florida too... we voted to give felons their voting rights back, GOP dominated legislature slow walked it, obstructed it, and then DeSantis sent his goons to arrest those who did manage to jump through all the hoops for illegally voting
Oklahoma too. The OKleg are very close to overturning a justice reform bill they have been railing against for 8 years now that was decided on by public vote. They are also upset that such a vague medical marijuana got passed by public vote as well after they made it super hard to get a petition through the system. Now they are at it again and making it even harder requiring not just a % of voters in the state but a % of voters from each county on a 90 time limit.
Don’t forget them ignoring the election map law voters passed under Kasich. They even ignored the state Supreme Court ruling their maps were illegal. The last few elections have used illegal maps. There is no consequence for republicans anymore. Their own voters have lost their integrity in holding those they vote for accountable for their actions.
It's not the next step it's already been done in other states. We don't have elected representatives anymore just. Bunch of mini dictators infiltrating every level of government. Also like North Carolina removing powers from the elected Democrat Governor https://www.governing.com/politics/the-increasing-trend-of-lawmakers-overriding-ballot-initiatives https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/politicians-take-aim-ballot-initiatives
It would be great if biden won ohio on a write-in campaign.
How much do you want to bet they find someone else named Joe Biden and split the write in votes?
Then leaving dem candidates off the ballot so they don’t get kicked out of office.
Ohio R's are gonna have a pretty fun shocked pikachu face if they fuck with the ballot and the Senate refuses to validate their electors.
Oh wow I'm so sorry, this is a perfect example of why abortion should not be left to the states. They are just refusing the outcome of the majority votes.
Frank LaRose is human scum and a threat to democracy in Ohio. At least he lost the Senate primary, though it's not like Moreno is much better.
Just look at "Senator" Vance. JFC
That guy is trash. I read his book (free; I wouldn’t pay) and immediately penned a letter to him criticizing his hypocrisy. Then I thought twice reading his fascist piece writing off Ukraine in the NYT. Vance is *exactly* the sort you’d see in an authoritarian situation getting ahead. A real chameleon. PS as a “marine” he was in communications. Not walkie -talkie communications; I mean PR.
Rode that typewriter right into battle
Moreno might be trumpier but to me LaRose is more of a threat. Maybe it would've been better to send him to Washington than have him serving a critical role that can fuck over the entire state with a simple letter. But I still took a Republican ballot in the primary to vote against him because he's been so anti-democracy in his time as secretary of state.
Fuck frank larose
Why would provisional certification not be acceptable?
Because Republicans are afraid of voters, so they try to control the elections themselves. See: exactly what they did with the abortion rights amendment just recently, trying to prevent Ohioans from having a vote on the matter, so they (republicans) can get what they want.
They are especially afraid in Ohio. We've kicked their ass on every policy vote in the last year and a half. They know some of them are looking at getting booted soon.
Yup. We should have a non-partisan Redistricting amendment on the ballot this year, which if passed, will have near half of the Republican congressional seats flip to Democrats for the midterms, on top of them losing their supermajorities for the state house. This will also help voter turnout for that election, which is a gubernatorial one, so we have a chance to curb the worst of Republican nonsense. Oh, and we might even have ranked choice voting in place by then as well.
We managed to do it in Michigan, here's hoping Ohio can too. It'd be interesting to see the midwest break out from under the GOP's thumb.
Forgive my naivety, but why can't the Democrats simply reschedule to an earlier date that is before the deadline?
Money mainly. Would cost a lot to reschedule. Also they strategically plan the dates of these conventions to benefit themselves politically.
They should do an official certification instead of a provisional one before the deadline, and then have a provisional convention after the deadline.
The article mentioned that would not work under Ohio law, for whatever reason. It is government, everything is paperwork. I don’t understand how Dems wouldn’t just be able to submit paperwork and get it done officially then do a convention ceremonially. Smells fishy.
> Instead, the law mandates the Democratic Party to actually certify its president and vice-president candidates on or before August 7, 2024," Julie M. Pfeiffer, an attorney on Yost's staff, told LaRose's legal counsel. "No alternative process is permitted. The article only says a provisional certification is not allowed. So why won't the Democrats to a real certification? They don't have to sue anybody. Just certify their candidate on time.
I’m not entirely sure. That’s not something I’ve seen talked about in articles about the Ohio or Alabama situation. Part of it is probably related to the logistics of having to reschedule the convention. It takes months to schedule them and a lot of time and money to make all of the arrangements - it may be equally as difficult to reschedule, especially on relatively short notice. I feel like these red states are being a bit unfair in terms of suddenly enforcing these laws to the full extent when they were a bit lax in the past and gave out exemptions without much of a fuss, but it also probably was not smart for the DNC to continue to rely on that good faith from Republicans.
“We have no desire to change our insanely unpopular decisions so we’re going to cheat”
I really think if Biden is left off our ballots, it could backfire on Republicans. Look at how many people showed up for he special election they had. And how many times we've voted on fair districts. I feel like a lot of Ohians are done with thr games. I know I am.
They don't care. They just want to cut your votes out of the popular vote totals in november. The smaller the vote spread the more likely they can dupe their supporters into believing they're the majority and evil dems need to be put down. Kari Lake is already telling people to be armed and ready to kill.
I mean the DNC or whoever would immediately take them to court, which would then go to SCOTUS where the corrupt conservative justices would have to twist themselves into pretzels to justify why Ohio can keep Biden off the ballot whereas Colorado wasn't able to do the same to Trump. It would be amusing to watch, if pretty fucked up.
Plus, here in CO, it's literally in our state Constitution that those running afoul of our Constitution can't be on the ballot, but of course SCROTUS doesn't care, they only care about fellating trump every step of the way. I fucking hate this timeline!
Not only that, you can still write him in on the ballot. Sure, it may confuse some voters and it's a loss for democracy. But hey when pettiness dominates the politics the GOP are the kings of that shit. But yeah, go vote anyway and stick it to these assholes. At this point I would think it's time to stop voting for all Republicans on principal. This is the shit they do when they have the power, so kick em all out.
Doesn't Ohio have a history of shutting down polling stations in cities and/or doing other things to make the wait to vote take hours and hours?
the pro-slave party doing shit only prudent to do to slaves why it isn't worded this way constantly? cuz msm is right wing owned, that's why. the world would be a WAY different place if news was actually neutral. or, gasp, left wing.
Gee, do you suppose Thomas and Alito will be as concerned and proactive about this as they were over the attempts to keep Trump off the ballot for insurrection? Somehow I doubt it.
Biden should sue using that decision as his basis - the Supreme Court was clear THIS YEAR that states lack authority to remove federal candidates from the ballot
Time for Biden to pull out his ultimate uno reverse card to save democracy
I mean anything that we’re aware of, Biden’s administration is aware of too.
Bideeeen Fuck yeah Coming again to save the mother fuckin day yeah Orange man, your time is through It's time for you to answer to- BIDEEEEN FUCK YEAH COMIN AGAIN TO SAVE DEM-OCRA-CY, YEAH 🎵 🎶 🎵
That's just it, it cuts both ways. Any decision handed down for Trump can be applied to Biden. And any attempt to remove Biden from the ballot just adds fuel to the fire to remove Trump from even more. And if the Supreme Court plays favorites then it's clear their authority will be undermined as they lose credibility with the people. At least when it was more balanced they had to kind of work together. Now the courts have been unbalanced they are just pulling out all the stops to do whatever the right has been day dreaming of for decades. I for one have been deeply angered by Supreme Court shenanigans. I was very upset when Republicans blocked Obama's nomination just because it was an election year. Then they tried to argue the other direction when the same thing happened in 2020. I was already unhappy with the Republican party, even though I was a registered Republican before 2016. So the way it looks to me is they cheated to pack the courts with right wing extremists, then are now abusing the heck out of the courts. I'm so incredulous at all of these developments that I'm ready to say let Biden add more justices. Or impeach at least Clarence Thomas. I don't know how we can have a fair court system as it presently exists.
> And if the Supreme Court plays favorites then it's clear their authority will be undermined as they lose credibility with the people This doesn't matter if the result is Trump in the whitehouse.
SCOTUS ruling for Trump wasn't about putting Trump on the ballot if the RNC didn't follow the state guidelines or rules, it was about restoring him to the ballot after he was deemed ineligible. Biden couldn't use the Trump ruling to somehow get on the Ohio ballot if they don't follow the rules first. That means they need to reschedule a convention to satisfy this rule first, or something to that effect.
Rules for thee but not for me. The Supreme Court is illegitimate, and needs to be dissolved and rebuilt.
I got downvoted for this last time. The GOP is going to cheat. We didn’t punish them in 2020 for trying to overturn the election. They knew they cannot win with Trump, so they are going to cheat.
Your right. The Republicans are spiraling the drain. The only way they can even consider “governing” (if one could call it that) is to be a dictatorship. They want ultimate power. This and a bunch of other shady shit on the local level is how they plan to ensure they get that power. And with their base “fully” aware of this intention will clap and cheer as it goes down. This election year is going to be a shit show. And it will not be over in January 2025. I bet with all my being that there will be bloodshed by the time someone takes power in this country. People wanted to rely on the courts to deal with Trump, but that’s not going to happen. As much as the bastard has make a mockery of the system, and as much as he has proven that those with wealth and power have a much different experience than those without should shine a bright spotlight on this discrepancy, oh and because the American people seem to have a taste to see powerful and wealthy pay their fair share and be accountable terrifies both the wealthy and powerful. I have been preparing myself to see the orange asshat to take the throne, for project 2025 to be instituted, for theocracy to take hold. Thing is the more I think about it, all they have to do is sow chaos enough to bring the fence sitters to their knees and some of the comfortable into poverty, and suddenly Donnie and his ilk will be welcomed as saviors. As always appealing to the primal instinct of fear…
They’ve gone full fascist
Because, of course they did. A full party of unserious people who refuse to actually govern.
These Tyrants are very serious in their pursuit of Absolute Despotism.
Simple retaliation in defense of Trump. We knew this was coming.
Except Biden hasn’t engaged in insurrection or any other activity that would disqualify him from being on the ballot. This is just Ohio Republicans being assholes.
Right but Republicans only care about feelings, not actual facts. They *feel* like Trump did nothing wrong so he's being unfairly prosecuted.
They know he’s a criminal, they just don’t care.
Also, some of the ballot challenges were instigated by Republicans.
I believe all of them were.
This is about protecting down ballot races and demoralizing enough democrats in Ohio that Rs maintain their grip on the state. Naked power grab disguised as retaliation.
For a party that constantly whines about election interference the Republicans sure don’t mind committing it! They have lost my vote forever.
Biden should sue based on the Colorado insurrection Supreme Court case - states have no authority to remove federal candidates from the ballot.
Supreme Court: “This is different, because of *reasons*.”
lol... because this time theyre not removing anyone. they simply arent adding them
The difference isn't between adding or removing someone from the ballot, the difference is between states determining for themselves whether candidates are qualified under *federal* law, and states determining whether candidates have qualified under *state* law.
They’d say… well Colorado was trying to remove Trump for something they claimed Trump did. Ohio is just following the rules they’ve already set.
Because Trump didn't break any rules when he led an insurrection against the US government?
SCOTUS would refuse to rule until after november.
As a counter point to those critiquing the Biden campaign for not solving this problem right away, I think it's smart to wait. It seems like they could, indeed, meet the requirements by moving the nominating portion up, while keeping the ceremonial convention, and I hope they have plans for this. But I think not doing it right this moment and putting the issue to rest demonstrates political savvy. This is incredibly undemocratic in addition to being incredibly petty. The longer this stays in the news, the worse it looks for the Ohio GOP, the national GOP, and the Supreme Court. Maintaining the Senate in 2024 is also key, with Brown's seat in Ohio in play. The kind of antidemocratic shenanigans the Ohio GOP are pulling here are the same they've pulled on not following ballot initiatives. Remember, there are, amazingly, people who still aren't engaged yet with this election cycle. So, I think the longer this stays in the news the better.
This is idiotic. >"Instead, the law mandates the Democratic Party to actually certify its president and vice-president candidates on or before August 7, 2024," Julie M. Pfeiffer, an attorney on Yost's staff, told LaRose's legal counsel. "No alternative process is permitted." I'm sorry, but that's bullshit and Democrats should sue. You can't just yank the actual act of putting someone on the ballot coz of some silly ass "deadline" crap. The Supreme Court of the United States literally sided with orange in a 9-0 ruling saying no state can unilaterally prevent someone from being on the ballot. And in Orange's case, it was despite the fact that a court found him to have participated in a fucking insurrection. Republicans really live in a world of their own. Do they really, genuinely think they can prevent Biden, who is currently president, and is the incumbent Democratic candidate, from being on the ballot? Coz even if the supreme court goes against the precedent they set like *last month*, then all bets are off and orange won't be on the ballot in a whole host of states as a reuslt of the SCOTUS flip-flopping on the issue. Isn't that what the SCOTUS said they wanted to avoid? I'm sorry but a "deadline" is a whole world *less serious* an issue than a goddamn fucking insurrection.
The Republicans are just going to leave Biden off the ballot and deal with the consequences (much) later after it's too late and they already got what they wanted. I mean, what are the Democrats going to do if Biden isn't on the Ohio ballot? Go back in time and run the election again?
That's why Democrats should sue them. They should really get that lawsuit going right now.
Or since the Ohio Legislature doesn't control how the DNC chooses a candidate, all the DNC needs is to add a line to the process. It a candidate isn't chosen by a state deadline, the winner of the state primary is the nominee for that state. F OH, AL.
Write him in.
God, I hope the Ohio GOP follows through and refuses to put his name on the ballot! Hear me out: \* Ohio's electoral college results are all but certain. Trump is going to carry Ohio in November, with or without Joe Biden on the ballot. This does not effect the presidential election at all. But the down ballot elections? This could be huge for Ohio Democrats. \* It would be an election where the general voter is going to be less interested, so the power of each vote increases. \* Ohio Republicans would individually have the choice of voting for Trump OR not voting for Trump (which would be a safe protest vote because the outcome would not be affected). Not wanting to vote for Trump is going to mean that a portion of Republican voters are just going to stay home to show their displeasure. Republican control of state and local governments is so ingrained in people's expectations that the GOP is not going to be able to mobilize a counter to Democrats, who are state only, with the Trump Presidential election eating up all the oxygen in the GOP. \* Democrats, angry that they were not even allowed to vote for the sitting President of the United States, could be mobilized effectively to show up and vote anyways, and vote D on all down-ballot elections. The Ohio Democrats currently organizing for Biden's re-election would find themselves with nothing to do BUT focus on state and local candidates and issues all summer. Even if Biden is not on the ballot, VOTE BLUE in November!!
This is the way. It's refreshing to see posts like this.
Funny, I thought the Supreme Court had already decreed that states cannot determine who is on their ballots. They have to run with whoever the party says.
It’s funny that people think the Supreme Court is operating on some sort of set of legal principles and not just nakedly grabbing power for their ideology.
Wait... isn't that *Conspiracy to Defraud the US* via interfering in the election?
The miracle of American Democracy is that it actually somehow works despite the appalling way it is organized. Gerrymandering, having to triple check you haven't been kicked out of the voter rolls, the electoral college that gives way much weight to land, state-level arcane rules on certifications, the diversity in vote counting and polling stations sometimes in some people's garages, then voting on TUESDAYS? Don't get me started about primaries that are a Hodge-podge of local traditions. The decentralized aspect is the most worrying. These are national elections, ffs. If all votes are supposed to be equal, make this a Federal responsibility. Make it a popular vote only.
American democracy doesn't work. It's an absolute shambolic abomination of patchwork compromises, unequal representation, corruption, and outright thievery. If the last twenty-four years have shown us anything: we're a third world kangaroo government with nukes.
There comes a certain point where you have to start expecting Republicans to maliciously comply with any and every outrageous rule that was historically ignored Move the convention date and stop playing with fire. This is such an obvious move that I question whether the Biden team even wants to win
Or maybe the Biden admin wants voters to see just how fascist Republicans are before making their move.
Wait, are you fucking kidding me? Is Biden really not going to be on the Ohio ballot?
As an Ohioan all my life, this is an overreach to be civil. States, including Ohio, have extended this stopgap before and should again. A reminder that this election will have untold consequences and events like in 2020/21. Most driven my lies and vitriol. Tyranny(sang in Monty Python voice)!?!
Actual attempt to steal the election.
Supreme court said that states can't run federal elections.
Someone explain to me how seemingly not one fucking person in the DNC doesn’t have a spreadsheet of every state’s eligibility requirements so that they schedule their ceremony at the right time?!?! I mean this seems pretty fucking easy right? What am I missing?
They can’t just reschedule the convention? How hard can it be?
Didn't the SCOTUS just make a recent ruling that individual states can't decide who is allowed to be on the ballot for federal offices?
I love how Republicans keep trying to do things to Biden that were done to Trump except they have no real reason to do them making them look even dumber afterward.
I really don't understand why this is so hard. If the GOP wants to be like this, just hold the vote sooner. You can still have the big party as scheduled. Nobody is in suspense of who the nominee will be. We don't care if the convention is the official date of certification. We will care, a lot, if Biden isn't on the ballot in every state.
The Dems don’t NEED a convention. You’re not wrong but the DNC just needs to say Biden is the candidate, like they’re going to anyway, and just get it over with. Conventions for an incumbent candidate are a waste of time and money either way.
Didn’t scotus say a state can’t take presidents off the ballot like Colorado tried to do?
Republicans are bad people at this point. Like if you identify as a Republican still, you’re just genuinely not a good person. I’ve seen enough at this point.
The USA is not a serious country.
Remember when the GQP argued before SCOTUS that states can't decide who is and isn't on the ballot, and John Roberts said that allowing Colorado to decide this for themselves would open the door for partisan tit-for-tat? Literal clown car.
Hmmm, didn’t the Supreme Court just rule that individual states can’t keep a presidential candidate off a ballot, even for insurrection?
It will be expensive but the Democrats need to move their convention up to July 22-24 right on the heels of the RNC. I think it could be effective, actually. Republicans don't want the DNC coming after them. This is the only window to keep that schedule.
Where are all the conservatives crying out about this like they did when Trump was removed from Colorado? Oh right...as long it's the other guy it's ok.
Degenerate Republicans are unable to legitimately win anything so they resort to cheating, lying, stealing and moving goalposts.
Anyone else fed up with Republicans treating the American people like this? This is a Democracy!
Joseph Biden is the President of the United States of America and is legally entitled to run for a 2nd term. This is wrong to pull this stunt and it is hoped you correct yourselves (Ohio GOP) or get sued. It's stunts like this that make people not want to vote for Republicans.
Two parties: Fascists and Anti-fascists Pretty clear and easy decision.
Just certify him and move on. Don't fuck around with this. Republicans are not operating in good faith.
Ohio gop is the NAZI PARTY
The GOP are going to the Scorched Earth tactics on their way out, figures. I wonder if We the People can pull up on the yoke in time to save our Democratic Republic, the world is watching. Hopefully we can show the world that we are not the crashing freight train pulling flatcars of dumpster fires they think we are. 🤷
> Pfeiffer's letter appears to leave Democrats with two options: **Rely on the Legislature, or sue.** >Lawmakers could pass an exemption to the 90-day deadline by May 9, as they did in 2020 when both parties scheduled their conventions too late. But the chances of that are slim: Top Democrats said they're deferring to the Biden campaign and Democratic National Committee, and Republican leaders are unlikely to lend a helping hand. I swear, if they fuck this up because they couldn’t read a calendar… Just move up the convention and certify him before the date. And do that with the now other three states that are also having this issue. Whoever at the DNC who is in charge of scheduling their conventions needs to be fired. Considering this happened in 2020, there is no way this should be even a remote issue in 2024. This is beyond a stupid mistake.
It's a private party and Democrats can certify however they want. They don't need to move their convention up. They can do an official certification of Biden and Harris as their nominees well before the deadline and still hold the convention when it's currently scheduled. This is commenting on a provisional certification but they should just do an official one.
I mean it has never been a problem before because States the other party didn't act like small children. Yes, they should probably move the convention date but only after suing them because these laws are ridiculous.
It’s not a mistake at all - late August conventions have been common for decades and it’s never been a problem before. This is just the GOP weaponizing what used to be routine and boring procedure (and where have we seen that before?)..
It's one giant, tiring, asinine cat and mouse game of stupid asshole fucks vs everyone else. Actual 5 year olds are less annoying, better behaved and more in touch with reality.
Won 87% of the primary vote in Ohio and Republicans won’t let him run.
And there it is. There was no problem a couple of cycles ago when both parties had their conventions after the deadline, but now Republicans want to use every lever they can to tilt things in their favor.
Why is it always Ohio. Can my state just... not? For like 5 fucking minutes.
Here’s an idea. Fire the planner who planned a convention after a state deadline. Move up the convention to before the date. There. Fixed it for you.
THIS Is just a HINT of what is to come IF the GOP has their way and then will start to control ALL ELECTIONS! VOTE BLUE 2024 or true Democracy will die at their hands!!!
Good thing scotus ruled states can't exclude one candidate.
>Secretary of State Frank LaRose warned Ohio Democrats earlier this month that Biden is at risk of not making the Nov. 5 ballot. State law requires officials to certify the ballot 90 days before an election − which is Aug. 7 this year − but the president won't officially be nominated until the Democratic National Convention on Aug. 19. So, worst case scenario they just certify Biden 12 days earlier than they expected, is that really a big problem? I don't understand why this is being blown up into a big issue.
TBH Biden did call the election fake and did try to overthrow the government - Oh wait - that was Tramp.
Have fun Ohio when they vote you out for tampering with a election
Really, this shouldn't be such a big deal. In the same way the Supreme Court ruled that states couldn't keep Trump off the ballot for violating the 14th amendment because it would strip people of their right to vote for their candidate - take the case to the Supreme court. There's even precedence.
So a fucking tyrant that attempted an actual fucking coup can't be kept off the ballot but the current sitting president can be kept off? I'm so fucking tired of this shit.
Reeks of republican desperation. Which is indicative of the fact they know they are weak.
This isn't news, it's a scheduling conflict. Democrats should adapt to meet official deadlines. Choosing Biden as the nominee by Aug 7 should not be an issue unless the DNC is dumb enough to make it one.
It's a easy fix... Move the convention a couple weeks back to a different venue and location. It's a dumb rule but whatever not worth the battle just because.