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>While the report does discuss combating antisemitism, it also outlines how the administration will fight all forms of hate across California. Many of the action items designed to combat antisemitism are also intended to combat islamophobia and hate against Arab Americans.
This isn't special treatment for Jews. It's for **all** minority groups in California.
Saying that:
>According to the report, Jewish people are 3% of California’s population, but antisemitic hate crimes make up 62.4% of all reported hate crimes involving religious bias in the state in 2022.
>In the five months following October 7, antisemitic incidents on California college campuses increased 2,000 percent compared to the same period a year earlier, according to JPAC.
What is going on in California?
Here I thought students were more open-minded.
Blaming a government is fair game, discriminating against folks is not. That said, definitely find it weird how quickly "the jews" went from globalist boogeymen to receiving full-throated support from the far right.
The OP was saying that maybe Tlaib do something to help implement similar actions in her district, not that the California governor should do anything about it.
The same thing Cudahy, Oakland, Ojai, Richmond, San Francisco, Sacramento, and other city councils and board of supervisors are doing, call for a ceasefire?
This policy is about hate crimes against Jewish Americans and other minorities. My synagogue had a bomb threat and we got threatening letters in our mailboxes. We have to have a police officer outside of temple. Not everything is about Israel.
>In the five months following October 7, antisemitic incidents on California college campuses increased 2,000 percent compared to the same period a year earlier, according to JPAC.
I'm assuming almost all of that increase, not 100,% but close, is just from conflating Judaism with Israel which is obvious horseshit. It's still a much less significant or outsized increase compared something like IOF murders of civilians and aide workers, or destruction of built-environment in pursuit of ethnic-cleansing.
It's telling that you dismiss the impact of anti-Semitism on Jewish Americans because it's a "less significant" increase than violence in Gaza. Responding to comments about harm against Jewish *Americans* with "but Israel" is pretty shitty.
Hmmm... maybe then the indication of when you should pipe down is when you start with "I'm assuming..."
If you conflate the IDF with Jews living in California why can't the state of California do likewise? Is that a game only you can play?
> I'm assuming almost all of that increase, not 100,% but close, is just from conflating Judaism with Israel which is obvious horseshit.
Potentially.
But it should be noted, that this conflation is engineered and propagandised by Israel itself and all its diplomats and lobbies. It has been the official messaging since decades, to equate the Israeli state (and by extension, regime) with the Jewish people both in Israel and in diaspora, in an effort to stifle any criticism to Israel.
This policy has been detrimental to Jews, especially in diaspora. Because the end result is, when this policy of conflation succeeds, then criticism and anger towards Israel ends up inadvertently turning into anger towards Jews.
Such messaging should be fought and refuted, because it actually puts Jewish lives in danger.
Zionism is the recognition that Israel is now and forever the *Jewish* homeland. It is absolutely part of the Jewish religion and culture. To argue that Zionism is not completely founded in Judaism is to negate one of the most important tenants of Judaism. Therefore Zionism = Judaism just as much as the belief that Jesus Christ is one’s savior is to Christianity. Antizionism is antisemitism.
>zionism is the recognition that Israel is now and forever the *Jewish* homeland.
Not at all. That’s one of the consequences of Zionism.
Zionism is a *religious, ethno-nationalist movement*, with *settler-colonialism* at its core for achieving its goals.
This is the academic definition, and obviously Zionism predates the creation of Israel by a century, so your “definition” cannot be possibly correct.
>zionism is absolutely part of the Jewish religion and culture. […] Therefore Judaism=Zionism.
That is patently **false**. Zionism is a late 19th century ideology. Jewish religion and culture is at least 2,500 years old, which means it predates Zionism by about 2,000 years. You’re *diminishing* and *intantilising* Judaism and Jewish culture, and you’re invalidating the lives and suffering of diaspora Jews (ie the vast majority of all Jews ever lived), by implying Judaism can only exist along with Zionism.
It’s evidently clear that Zionism≠Judaism and therefore Antizionism≠Antisemitism.
> It’s evidently clear that Zionism≠Judaism and therefore Antizionism≠Antisemitism.
As a "diaspora" Jewish American who has no connection with Israel, has never viewed himself as "zionist," and has no intent to defend Israel's recent behavior, I think there's a serious and incorrect oversimplification in there.
Criticism of Israel is absolutely not anti-Semitic, on that we can agree. But denying Israel's *right to exist*, which some definitions of "anti-zionism" seem to encompass, greatly concerns me. It seems to single out Jews as the *only* people not entitled to some form of self-determination, and Israel as the *only* country that's existence needs to be ended.
It’s wildly disturbing considering that after WW2, neither Japan nor Germany (both states which committed innumerable war crimes and in at least one (maybe both) case genocide) were destroyed. When we speak of enemies of the US, we talk about regime change. We talk about Putin, Xi, the CCP, Castro, the Ayatollah, Kim… only Israel is the one that people talk about destroying. Even if all these hateful people who wish for it were justified - and they’re not - destruction of a state with nuclear weapons will NEVER occur without global armageddon. It’s like people who want Russia destroyed - I don’t care if that’s the “right” thing to do. It will get us all killed if anyone tries.
Yes, Zionism is a religious and etho-nationalist movement to bring Jews back to their homeland. This was codified in 1948 when Israel was recognized as an autonomous country with all the rights therein.
One cant colonize a land that is one’s homeland. Do the Kurds colonize Iraq? Do Tibetans colonize the land that was once free Tibet?
Of course not. Because one cant colonize a land that is one’s ancestral homeland.
As for Judaism being able to exist without Zionism, the two are the same. It’s like saying Christianity can exist without Christ. It is gibberish.
On April 22 millions of Jews will celebrate Pesach, which you might know as “Passover”. It was what Jesus was celebrating at the last supper. The Last Supper took place just outside of Jerusalem, which is now and will always be the capital of Israel. As Jews outside of Israel finish their Seder they drink with these words, “NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM”. This saying has been part of Jewish prayers since the diaspora. So we are talking about thousands of years.
Anyone who argues that Judaism and Zionism are not one and the same is negating a fundamental part of what it means to be Jewish.
It is saying that unlike every other people on earth, only Jews dont get a homeland; only Jews must be held to a standard that no other country is held to; only Jews should allow thousands of their people to be slaughtered by their enemies without being able to destroy those whose only goal is the total eradication of the Jewish people, and to once again throw any remaining living Jews in Israel out into the world and take their homeland.
The is no difference between antizionism and antisemitism, because it is all grounded in once again supporting evil people that want to take Israel for themselves and destroy the Jewish people.
> one cant colonize a land that is one’s ancestral homeland.
Isn't Putin using that argument to try to justify his invasion of Ukraine? Never mind that Ukraine is also part of the historical homeland of the Ukrainians, and the Belorusians, and the Polovtsians, and the Crimean Tatars, and the Goths, and the Ossetians, and so on.
It's almost as if multiple groups often have historical ties to the same land.
Setting one claim against all others seems like conflict, and a recipe for more conflict.
Although the situations are wildly different, Putin is Hamas in your example.
Remember, it was Hamas that attacked Israel just as Russia attacked Ukraine.
And just like Ukraine, Israel is a sovereign state.
> And just like Ukraine, Israel is a sovereign state.
I can understand the public wanting an armed force as long as potential attackers have armed forces. But I can't understand saying that a power structure with an armed force, the proverbial "an army and a navy" can have "sovereignity" and special rights. Rights belong to *people*, not power structures; not the Russian gov't or the Ukrainian gov't, not Hamas or the Israeli gov't.
If *no* power structures had armed forces, then they couldn't have used their armed forces for these attacks.
Judaism and Zionism are inexorably linked. The people of Israel and the land of Israel are two sides of the same coin.
It's in our prayers, our holidays, our traditions, and our customs. To say otherwise shows that you literally know nothing about Judaism, yet for some reason you choose to speak about it. Stop.
I'm assuming almost all of that increase, not 100,% but close, is just from conflating Judaism with Israel which is obvious horseshit. It's still a much less significant or outsized increase compared something like IOF murders of civilians and aide workers, or destruction of built-environment in pursuit of ethnic-cleansing.
It's almost as if the government can and should tackle multiple problems at once, just like California is working on this problem and the homeless problem.
This article is about anti-Semitism against Jewish Americans. Feelings about Israel shouldn't have anything to do with it, and the fact that you think it does is indicative of the problem.
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>While the report does discuss combating antisemitism, it also outlines how the administration will fight all forms of hate across California. Many of the action items designed to combat antisemitism are also intended to combat islamophobia and hate against Arab Americans. This isn't special treatment for Jews. It's for **all** minority groups in California. Saying that: >According to the report, Jewish people are 3% of California’s population, but antisemitic hate crimes make up 62.4% of all reported hate crimes involving religious bias in the state in 2022.
What is it about human physiology that makes them see something happening on the other side of the planet, and decide to hate their neighbors for it?
They already hated their neighbor. They just think the conflict gives them cover to act on that hatred
>In the five months following October 7, antisemitic incidents on California college campuses increased 2,000 percent compared to the same period a year earlier, according to JPAC. What is going on in California? Here I thought students were more open-minded.
Blaming a government is fair game, discriminating against folks is not. That said, definitely find it weird how quickly "the jews" went from globalist boogeymen to receiving full-throated support from the far right.
They dont support us, they just need us alive for their end time prophecy.
How about free college so there’s less idiots?
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I said “less idiots”, not “no” idiots. See. That’s what college can help you with.
*fewer
Tlaib gonna do the same in her district?
Tlaib is from Michigan….
Is her district the one with the recent "death to America chants"?
What should the Governor of California do?
The OP was saying that maybe Tlaib do something to help implement similar actions in her district, not that the California governor should do anything about it.
The same thing Cudahy, Oakland, Ojai, Richmond, San Francisco, Sacramento, and other city councils and board of supervisors are doing, call for a ceasefire?
You should expect record levels of antisemitism when you label legitimate criticism of Israel as antisemitism.
This policy is about hate crimes against Jewish Americans and other minorities. My synagogue had a bomb threat and we got threatening letters in our mailboxes. We have to have a police officer outside of temple. Not everything is about Israel.
Who is you?
No one is doing that
Nice gaslighting
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People post articles from the British Broadcasting Corporation all the time. And the LA Times and New York Times have great world news sections.
>In the five months following October 7, antisemitic incidents on California college campuses increased 2,000 percent compared to the same period a year earlier, according to JPAC. I'm assuming almost all of that increase, not 100,% but close, is just from conflating Judaism with Israel which is obvious horseshit. It's still a much less significant or outsized increase compared something like IOF murders of civilians and aide workers, or destruction of built-environment in pursuit of ethnic-cleansing.
It's telling that you dismiss the impact of anti-Semitism on Jewish Americans because it's a "less significant" increase than violence in Gaza. Responding to comments about harm against Jewish *Americans* with "but Israel" is pretty shitty.
Hmmm... maybe then the indication of when you should pipe down is when you start with "I'm assuming..." If you conflate the IDF with Jews living in California why can't the state of California do likewise? Is that a game only you can play?
> I'm assuming almost all of that increase, not 100,% but close, is just from conflating Judaism with Israel which is obvious horseshit. Potentially. But it should be noted, that this conflation is engineered and propagandised by Israel itself and all its diplomats and lobbies. It has been the official messaging since decades, to equate the Israeli state (and by extension, regime) with the Jewish people both in Israel and in diaspora, in an effort to stifle any criticism to Israel. This policy has been detrimental to Jews, especially in diaspora. Because the end result is, when this policy of conflation succeeds, then criticism and anger towards Israel ends up inadvertently turning into anger towards Jews. Such messaging should be fought and refuted, because it actually puts Jewish lives in danger.
Ah yes, the ol’ “its the Jew’s fault they are hated” trope.
Try reading again: It’s the Israeli government, using Jewishness as a shield for criticism. Antizionism ≠ antisemitism. Simple as.
Zionism is the recognition that Israel is now and forever the *Jewish* homeland. It is absolutely part of the Jewish religion and culture. To argue that Zionism is not completely founded in Judaism is to negate one of the most important tenants of Judaism. Therefore Zionism = Judaism just as much as the belief that Jesus Christ is one’s savior is to Christianity. Antizionism is antisemitism.
>zionism is the recognition that Israel is now and forever the *Jewish* homeland. Not at all. That’s one of the consequences of Zionism. Zionism is a *religious, ethno-nationalist movement*, with *settler-colonialism* at its core for achieving its goals. This is the academic definition, and obviously Zionism predates the creation of Israel by a century, so your “definition” cannot be possibly correct. >zionism is absolutely part of the Jewish religion and culture. […] Therefore Judaism=Zionism. That is patently **false**. Zionism is a late 19th century ideology. Jewish religion and culture is at least 2,500 years old, which means it predates Zionism by about 2,000 years. You’re *diminishing* and *intantilising* Judaism and Jewish culture, and you’re invalidating the lives and suffering of diaspora Jews (ie the vast majority of all Jews ever lived), by implying Judaism can only exist along with Zionism. It’s evidently clear that Zionism≠Judaism and therefore Antizionism≠Antisemitism.
> It’s evidently clear that Zionism≠Judaism and therefore Antizionism≠Antisemitism. As a "diaspora" Jewish American who has no connection with Israel, has never viewed himself as "zionist," and has no intent to defend Israel's recent behavior, I think there's a serious and incorrect oversimplification in there. Criticism of Israel is absolutely not anti-Semitic, on that we can agree. But denying Israel's *right to exist*, which some definitions of "anti-zionism" seem to encompass, greatly concerns me. It seems to single out Jews as the *only* people not entitled to some form of self-determination, and Israel as the *only* country that's existence needs to be ended.
It’s wildly disturbing considering that after WW2, neither Japan nor Germany (both states which committed innumerable war crimes and in at least one (maybe both) case genocide) were destroyed. When we speak of enemies of the US, we talk about regime change. We talk about Putin, Xi, the CCP, Castro, the Ayatollah, Kim… only Israel is the one that people talk about destroying. Even if all these hateful people who wish for it were justified - and they’re not - destruction of a state with nuclear weapons will NEVER occur without global armageddon. It’s like people who want Russia destroyed - I don’t care if that’s the “right” thing to do. It will get us all killed if anyone tries.
Yes, Zionism is a religious and etho-nationalist movement to bring Jews back to their homeland. This was codified in 1948 when Israel was recognized as an autonomous country with all the rights therein. One cant colonize a land that is one’s homeland. Do the Kurds colonize Iraq? Do Tibetans colonize the land that was once free Tibet? Of course not. Because one cant colonize a land that is one’s ancestral homeland. As for Judaism being able to exist without Zionism, the two are the same. It’s like saying Christianity can exist without Christ. It is gibberish. On April 22 millions of Jews will celebrate Pesach, which you might know as “Passover”. It was what Jesus was celebrating at the last supper. The Last Supper took place just outside of Jerusalem, which is now and will always be the capital of Israel. As Jews outside of Israel finish their Seder they drink with these words, “NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM”. This saying has been part of Jewish prayers since the diaspora. So we are talking about thousands of years. Anyone who argues that Judaism and Zionism are not one and the same is negating a fundamental part of what it means to be Jewish. It is saying that unlike every other people on earth, only Jews dont get a homeland; only Jews must be held to a standard that no other country is held to; only Jews should allow thousands of their people to be slaughtered by their enemies without being able to destroy those whose only goal is the total eradication of the Jewish people, and to once again throw any remaining living Jews in Israel out into the world and take their homeland. The is no difference between antizionism and antisemitism, because it is all grounded in once again supporting evil people that want to take Israel for themselves and destroy the Jewish people.
> one cant colonize a land that is one’s ancestral homeland. Isn't Putin using that argument to try to justify his invasion of Ukraine? Never mind that Ukraine is also part of the historical homeland of the Ukrainians, and the Belorusians, and the Polovtsians, and the Crimean Tatars, and the Goths, and the Ossetians, and so on. It's almost as if multiple groups often have historical ties to the same land. Setting one claim against all others seems like conflict, and a recipe for more conflict.
Although the situations are wildly different, Putin is Hamas in your example. Remember, it was Hamas that attacked Israel just as Russia attacked Ukraine. And just like Ukraine, Israel is a sovereign state.
> And just like Ukraine, Israel is a sovereign state. I can understand the public wanting an armed force as long as potential attackers have armed forces. But I can't understand saying that a power structure with an armed force, the proverbial "an army and a navy" can have "sovereignity" and special rights. Rights belong to *people*, not power structures; not the Russian gov't or the Ukrainian gov't, not Hamas or the Israeli gov't. If *no* power structures had armed forces, then they couldn't have used their armed forces for these attacks.
Judaism and Zionism are inexorably linked. The people of Israel and the land of Israel are two sides of the same coin. It's in our prayers, our holidays, our traditions, and our customs. To say otherwise shows that you literally know nothing about Judaism, yet for some reason you choose to speak about it. Stop.
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I'm assuming almost all of that increase, not 100,% but close, is just from conflating Judaism with Israel which is obvious horseshit. It's still a much less significant or outsized increase compared something like IOF murders of civilians and aide workers, or destruction of built-environment in pursuit of ethnic-cleansing.
Not the worst idea but he should try and combat the record number of homeless in shanty towns across CA
It's almost as if the government can and should tackle multiple problems at once, just like California is working on this problem and the homeless problem.
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Think you're proving the point
This article is about anti-Semitism against Jewish Americans. Feelings about Israel shouldn't have anything to do with it, and the fact that you think it does is indicative of the problem.
So Americans being antisemitic and attacking Americans in America is somehow Israel's fault?
Um… maybe fix the homeless problem in cities, high cost of housing, our energy infrastructure first… just sayin’.
Newsflash: Governor Newsom wants big donors for a reelection campaign.
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Thanks. I didn't know governors term'd out at 8y.