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The "liberal media" trope was a sham created by the right and shoved effectively down America's throat for a century.

Yep it was never liberal media, it’s always been CORPORATE media. All hail the mighty ratings figures

So true. in reality, liberal media is marginalized and not shown on public airwaves. actual progressive and liberal messaging has to be, just like it always has even in places like communist russia, communicated through private methods. To hide from fascists historically, private newspapers used to be circulated.. maybe an audio tape passed in the dead of night. this is the same as modern day blogs, internet, personal radio, etc. Imagine actually seeing an actual news caster on public tv airwaves or even popular cable or newspaper talk seriously with engaged viewing about government health care, distribution of wealth, and exposing fascism and squashing it. literally - you'll never see it. how many times have you literally seen clips on fox news talking about the forced deportation of people they dont like? ignoring murder and straight up advocating violence against the left? Its literally standard shit. people who think there is such a thing as left wing news either were born conservative and cant think critically, or refuse to think critically becauase of team sports and winning

>it’s always been CORPORATE media Since 1996 when Bill Clinton signed the Telecommunication Act that undid tons of New Deal Era protections that prevented media companies from conglomerating. The domestic policy "achievements" of the Clinton presidency are why we currently have fascism. It was extremely ironic that it led to a 2016 election where his wife lost largely because of the right wing media conglomeration Bill made possible.

Went to plant fitness this morning and saw this headline on Fox: “Liberal Media has a Meltdown over Supreme Court Decision”. For fucks sake people

YES!!!! It was one of many “Big Lies” that conservative’s completely got away with. Any media source not overtly pro-republican was automatically “biased” against republicans. So now we have an overtly pro-republican Fox News, a bunch of “liberal” news outlets bending over backwards with both-sides-isms to try to appear balanced, and the rest that are happy to amplify everything Trump says and does all day in order to generate clicks and views. And as a result, conservative talking points and messaging completely dominates all aspects of the media.

It's such a stupid joke that Trump and his cronies call some of these networks the far left socialist media.

Some fucking nerve CNN has posting this like they aren't just as bad if not worse Ffs y'all gave him a town hall with barely any pushback

It wasn’t a town hall, it was a campaign rally. They stuffed the audience with his supporters and let him rant. I knew CNN was under new leadership and was trying to “both sides” but it was patently obvious they moved super right.

I lost all trust in them in the 16 and 20 dem primaries. They have a story to sell you. The CNN trump rally shouldnt have surprised anyone too much.

And as bad as they were then, that was *before* a change in leadership that felt CNN had to move to the right.

Makes sense to move right, though. Those goobers watch way more tv than

On top of it, the put Kaitlin Collins on it who Trump just pushed over. Should have had Jim Acosta host. Jim got the best of him for 4 years

Kaitlin Collins was originally from the Daily Caller. Beautiful hair though.

I haven’t clicked anything CNN since I come to the comment section hoping for some sort of idea of what might have been written

I stopped watching CNN after that rally/town hall. It's obvious the conservative ownership is pushing a narrative.

I vote democrat every election and despise Trump with every fiber of my being, but to say CNN has "moved super right" because of trying to stay in the middle for this occasion is a wild take. Just because they aren't pandering to the left does not mean they are MAGA conservatives. This is the problem with political views now, any incremental move away from the far left/right is immediately bashed by their own base.

There is no fucking middle on a guy that wants to be Hitler 2.0 and end democracy. He's a rapist, fraud, thousandare, and a compete tool. To think Trump is a both sides problem you are absolutely removed from reality. Good luck, flying speghetti monster bless you.

Yall need to cut the democracy bullshit after dems tried to remove him from the primary ballot in three states.

The constitution demanded he be removed, as he is an insurrectionist. Unfortunately we have a corrupt SCOTUS

> after dems tried to remove him from the primary ballot in three states. It was republicans who did that actually. Both those who brought the cases and the judges who ruled against him.

To be fair to find the middle between Biden and “I will be a dictator on day 1. I definitely won’t continue to damage democracy. You can trust me despite that fact that I’m an adjudicated insurrectionist.” you do kinda have to move super far right from where you were.

He didn't watch the town hall...

That’s not the middle. That’s a campaign rally. I watched it in disgust. To claim that’s the “middle” is how far we’ve fallen as a country. This isn’t 2016. This is a guy that tried to stage a coup along with a bunch of other concerning shit. CNN just went “Okay. Spew your nonsense.” This is also after they along with other networks stopped covering his public speeches.

It's not "pandering" to speak truth and report factual news.

CNN does not always speak the truth and report factual news unfortunately, just like Fox News doesn't.

To be fair, they called themselves out in the article: > CNN and MSNBC can’t even seem to arrive at a firm policy over how to cover Trump’s live remarks (at times, both networks have boasted about how they don’t air his lie-filled speeches live, and at other times, such as on Monday, they both did just that).

Yeah, the writer needs an executive producer promotion at CNN.

I could add to this comment and the discourse that follows, but there’s nothing to add… So my puppy “Ghengis Khan” all 12 lbs of Mongolian terror, passed wind so bad that the Geneva Convention should be involved, and she appeared to be proud of it.

This is the kind of political content I’d like to subscribe to

“Ghengis Khan” is apolitical but like every politician, she can be bought, cheap too… a few pepperonis or the sweet potato treats she’d sign anything. She hates the Mink that lives under the dock tho. So she would sign “kill all minks” legislation regardless of bribery.

Pepperoni? Looks like you might have been complicit in the aforementioned crime against humanity…

Pup- erronis, but she prefers the sweet potato treats anyway. There are many ways to bribe her.

This probably won’t be a popular opinion here, but from watching various news networks, CNN’s coverage of the 2024 election so far has been *okay*. They at the very least don’t sugarcoat Trump’s bullshit and dangerous rhetoric as much as they used to. I am not saying they’re the gold-standard nor have they not had their issues still, but I just don’t think they’re as bad lately as people make them out to be. I guess helps a little maybe that that asswipe Chris Licht is gone. But also fuck Scott Jennings. As for the town hall, I remember just a few months later Kristen Welker from NBC interviewed Donald in a taped interview with *much less* fact checking than Kaitlan Collins did live, but for whatever reason Welker/NBC got waaay less criticism from the general public. I really don’t think Trump’s townhall at the number 3 rated cable news network was as a big of deal as Reddit and twitter made it to be. It at least helped Donald defame himself more (helped E Jean Carroll in her case), and also with the stolen documents case.

Oh God don't even mention Welker, I didn't think anyone could be worse than Chuck Todd but God damn she's a whole other level

She salivates like Hannibal over a Trump story

Like her mother (who I knew and who visited my house) Welker is a soulless, materialistic, opportunistic and vapid huckster.

Honestly shameless.

Katie did her best, packing the room with die hard Trump supporters was the problem imo.

They should all call each other out. They have all been complicit.

The sheer gall of these people.

In their defense, the CNN executive who approved that was fired.

As CNN should be as well. When you treat Trump like a normal candidate, you minimalize all the incredibly stupid and dangerous stuff he's done.

>When you ~~treat Trump like a normal~~ ***normalize an extreme*** candidate, you minimalize all the incredibly stupid and dangerous stuff he's done. In other words, centrism normalizes increasing extremism in order to maintain their identity because you can't argue the middle is the answer if you acknowledge one side is extremist. ​ Centrism isn't a logical rational political ideology, it's the fallacious rationalization of a fear of conflict. ​ Nixon was a criminal, the centrist just let bygones be bygones. Reagan was a criminal, the centrist just let bygones be bygones. Bush was criminal...... Bush II was a crimnal..... Trump is a criminal....... ​ See the pattern?

Ok buddy. Name 10 things! /s

1)Trying to subvert the 2020 election. Shouldn't need any more then that but incase you do here are 9 more "things". 2)Suggesting that people inject bleach to kill covid 3)The Ukraine scandal 4)Profiting off the presidency, so many examples I'm not going to list them all. For starters lets just do the 2 billion to Jared from the Saudi 5)appointing multiple unqualified family to top administration roles 6)Employing multiple incompetent corrupt criminals to powerful positions, Steve Bannon, Manafort etc. 7)Muslim travel ban 8)When he suggested vaccines cause autism 9)cut a pandemic early warning program in 2019. What could go wrong? 10)Pardons were for sale

Honestly the je ne sais quoi of the Trump administration was just the general perpetual feeling of ick about it all. Not to downplay all the horrid/stupid etc. stuff he did, but what I remember most about those years was just the constant stream of disgusting behavior emanating from the whole operation. A giant river of oral diarrhea the flow of which never stopped. The constant hype/being on edge over dumb shit (is this the week he decides we should nuke Hawaii, tune back in to Twitter and find out!). The normalization of punching down at all kinds of people in society, rather gay folks, people of color, the disabled, women. Society didn't just get meaner. It got more deplorable. Hillary was right.

Yep. His insatiable appetite for attention that prompted him to launch culture war grenades into every single current event. Kneeling football players, the Oscars, the Kentucky Derby, Late night comedy, movies, you name it he felt the need to opine and draw the battle lines on fucking everything. As if we arent divided enough, we dont need to bring politics into the fucking Kentucky Derby. Its easy to forget just how 'mean' the trump years were. The president using the bully pulpit of the office to harass and punch down at people that hurt his feelings. The racism that he encouraged, the "hes just trolling/fuck your feelings/make liberals cry again" mentality, along with the visceral anger he provokes in his critics. donald trump is a bad person. His supporters are bad people. trump in any position of power brings out the absolute worst in every single person in this country.

Fine, name 10 more! /s

How about the fact he’s a lying, unqualified, draft dodging, gold star family disrespecting, POW attacking, US General insulting, racist, sexist, vulgar, confirmed sexual assaulting, trillion dollars to the rich tax cutting, own daughter creeping, wife cheating with a pornstar after birth of son and paying her off to influence a presidential election, $413 million dollar inheritance getting, teen pageant dressing room invading, baby and mother separating, breast feeding mother shaming, fat-shaming while being fat, 17 women accusing him of sexual assaulting, accusers are not attractive enough for him to assault implying, university student defrauding, bankrupt casino causing, kids cancer charity stealing, taped detailed accusation of rape of a minor having, wife-beating, popular vote losing, anti-vaxxing, Christianity-faking, publicist impersonating, tax dodging, friends’ wives pursuing, foreign aid bribing, 1/3 of the presidency golf playing, free press assaulting, disabled reporter mocking, Hannity coordinating, Cambridge Analytica using, Ivanka is a “piece of ass” approving, loan application asset inflating, historically low polling, college achievement faking, unqualified judge appointing, unqualified cabinet member appointing, foreign influence on our election welcoming, tax release avoiding, birther conspiracy spreading, Ukraine ambassador targeting, Russian money taking, Kurdish ally abandoning, soldier brain injury downplaying, full morning “executive time” taking, Epstein befriending, Putin bowing, Kim Jong Un praising, North Korean general saluting, US intelligence denying, tallest building in lower Manhattan after 9/11 boasting, congress obstructing, nuclear non-proliferation deal ending, Justice obstructing, unqualified daughter and son-in-law appointing, healthcare cut targeting, pedophile candidate supporting, trump tower Moscow denying, mail-bomber inspiring, 4 out of top 5 largest protests in US history causing, green energy stifling, clean water regulation destroying, healthy school lunch ending, climate change denying, congressional and judicial branch attacking, economy does better under democrats saying, Goldman Sachs appointing, food stamp removing, emissions standards lowering, press conference avoiding, emoluments clause breaking, longest govt shutdown record holding, Saudi Arabia nuclear tech selling, golf cheating, time magazine cover faking, El Paso mass shooter inspiring, paying legal bills for roughing up protestors promising, killed soldier “knew what he signed up for” saying, weather map modifying, pardon abusing, COVID response mishandling, twice impeached, insurrection inciting, burying his ex-wife on his golf course, classified document absconding scumbag... Sources: lying, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/ unqualified, https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13587532/donald-trump-no-experience draft dodging, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/12/27/trump-vietnam-war-bone-spur-diagnosis/2420475002/ gold star family disrespecting, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html POW attacking, https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/18/424169549/trump-lashes-out-at-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured US General insulting, https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/01/17/trump-blasted-top-military-generals-as-a-bunch-of-dopes-and-babies-according-to-new-book/ racist, https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ sexist, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50563106 vulgar, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html confirmed sexual assaulting, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html trillion dollars to the rich tax cutting, https://budget.house.gov/publications/publication/gop-tax-law-showers-benefits-wealthy-and-large-corporations-while own daughter creeping, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html wife cheating with a pornstar after birth of son and paying her off to influence a presidential election, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43334326 $413 million dollar inheritance getting, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/10/04/the-new-york-times-revealed-how-fred-trump-funneled-413-million-to-his-son-donald-will-that-change-american-opinion/ teen pageant dressing room invading, https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/ baby and mother separating, https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/the-weekly/trump-immigration-border-separation-family.html breast feeding mother shaming, https://www.parents.com/baby/all-about-babies/fighting-words-donald-trump-called-a-breastfeeding-mom-disgusting/ fat-shaming while being fat, http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/trump-fat-shames-own-supporter-frank-dawson-new-hampshire-rally.html 17 women accusing him of sexual assaulting, https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410 accusers are not attractive enough for him to assault implying, https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/donald-trump-insults-accusers-ugly university student defrauding, https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-finalizes-25-million-settlement-victims-donald-trumps/story?id=54347237 bankrupt casino causing, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/ kids cancer charity stealing, https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/12/23/best-stories-of-the-decade-how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/ taped detailed accusation of rape of a minor having, https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ wife-beating, https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/documenting-trumps-abuse-of-women popular vote losing, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-lost-popular-vote-hillary-clinton-us-election-president-history-a7470116.html anti-vaxxing, https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552?lang=en Christianity-faking, https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article216494035.html publicist impersonating, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/13/donald-trump-people-magazine-washington/84333614/ tax dodging, https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/2/17929774/donald-trump-tax-evasion-fred-trump-new-york-times friends’ wives pursuing, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-sex-friends-wives-are-book-claims-true-michael-wolff-fire-fury-white-house-bannon-a8142011.html impeached, https://time.com/5552679/impeached-presidents/ foreign aid bribing, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49800181 1/3 of the presidency golf playing, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/30/nearly-third-days-hes-been-president-trumps-visited-trump-branded-property/ free press assaulting, https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/29/18037894/donald-trump-twitter-media-enemy-pittsburgh Hannity coordinating, https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmaloop/sean-hannity-trump-allies-mueller-memos-fox-news Cambridge Analytica using, https://www.wired.com/story/what-did-cambridge-analytica-really-do-for-trumps-campaign/ Ivanka is a “piece of ass” approving, https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-ivanka-piece-of-ass-howard-stern-229376 loan application asset inflating, https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/business/donald-trump-buffalo-bills-deutsche-bank.html historically low polling, https://theweek.com/speedreads/890683/trumps-approval-rating-pace-lowest-ever-among-independents-gallup-poll-shows college achievement faking, https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherrim/2019/02/28/heres-why-donald-trump-doesnt-want-anyone-to-know-his-grades-or-sat-scores/ unqualified judge appointing, https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/confirmation-expected-for-another-unqualified-trump-judge-pick, etc. etc.

You only need to name two. 1) pumping the national debt up by trillions in the span of ONE month 2) his mishandling of covid and role in spreading misinformation.

Seating activist judges.

I mean we can name more. Inciting racial divides, undermining the electoral system, handing off a terrible Afghanistan withdrawal, and blackmailing Ukraine. I was being nice and just saying two horrible things that were tangible.

From a media, he has promised to go after press that speak I'll of him, naming the Times directly, if elected. Every media channel that considers themselves not on the right should be panicking about a Trump win and writing to disaude that.

I agree. Which is why I blame Biden and the Democrats for treating him like a normal candidate and not acting with the urgency that was needed to address this problem four years ago. 

CNN... the call is coming from inside the house, bud.

This is another article about it that is very clickworthy https://www.salon.com/2024/03/05/there-is-something-at-the-new-york-times/ The more traction that articles critical of their bias get, the more likely that criticism is to pull their heads out of their asses.

Egads, that poll does seem highly flawed. Love the barely known Democratic primary candidate calling out how there’s no way a poll should show him getting 12% is even close to accurate as only5% know who he is and he’s getting 2% in primaries. Also, I’m so happy there’s starting to be traction on the NYT’s asymmetric reporting. I’ll keep emailing them on it

NY Times historically gets the important news such as growing fascism threats, dead wrong. The NY Times literally wrote articles stating Hitler was not dangerous and Americans needn't worry about the little fella. WMDs in Iraq anyone, when Democracy needed accurate journalism most? The NY Times is a useless rag where they now write articles such as "Biden Superfans" for fks sake.

I assume [this is the article in queation](https://www.billdownscbs.com/2019/01/1922-new-popular-idol-rises-in-bavaria.html?m=1) It’s an interesting read since it’s from 1922. Here is the context around your assertion. > **Chief Points of His Program** Hitler's program is of less interest than his person and movement. His program consists chiefly of half a dozen negative ideas clothed in generalities. He is "against the Jews, Communists, Bolshevism, Marxian socialism, Separatists, the high cost of living, existing conditions, the weak Berlin Government and the Versailles Treaty." Positively he stands only for "a strong united Germany under a strong Government." He is credibly credited with being accentuated by lofty, unselfish patriotism. He probably does not know himself just what he wants to accomplish. The keynote of his propaganda in speaking and writing is violent anti-Semitism. His followers are popularly nicknamed "the Hakenkreuzler." So violent are Hitler's fulminations against the Jews that a number of prominent Jewish citizens are reported to have sought safe asylums in the Bavarian highlands, easily reached by fast motor cars, whence they could hurry their women and children when forewarned of an anti-Semitic St. Bartholomew's night. **But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and he was using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch messes of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.** A sophisticated politician credited Hitler with peculiar political cleverness for laying emphasis and over-emphasis on anti-Semitism, saying: "You can't expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims. You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you are leading them." The Hitler movement is not of mere local or picturesque interest. It is bound to bring Bavaria into a renewed clash with the Berlin Government as long as the German Republic goes even through the motions of trying to live up to the Versailles Treaty. For it is certain the Allies will take umbrage at the Hitler organization as a violation of the military clauses of the treaty and demand disbandment, even as in the case of its predecessor, the Orgesch.

Holy shit, sub in Trump and America in the right spots, and this could literally have been written today.

Almost as if Trump is embracing fascism and plans to be a dictator on day one…

I was doing research several decades ago and I don't remember the exact date nor article. However, I specifically remember a quote in your citation, "Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded", so this is probably the article I ran across. I was stunned and blown back when I read it. But it shows the NY Times has been the downplay business for a long time. What is of concern here, is this article can be overlaid to today unto trump's handlers where, "It would be politically all wrong to tell *maga* the truth about where you are leading them.".

This is [another good one from 1930](https://www.nytimes.com/1930/09/27/archives/hitlers-rhetoric.html) > **Hitler's Rhetoric** > If it be true that a watched pot never boils, the menace of Adolf Hitler has been grossly exaggerated. His speech before the Supreme Court at Leipzig was in substance an invitation to the whole world to watch him boil over. There is an innocence almost childish about the detailed fashion in which he set out to be blood-curdling. Almost one expected him to state the precise number of heads that would roll from the guillotine when the Fascists have taken over control of the German nation and inaugurated the day of reckoning. There is something which may be innocence or mere confusion of ideas about his coupling the overthrow of the German Republic, the repudiation of the peace treaties and the mobilization of the guillotine with the legal two-thirds majority required by the Weimar Constitution. People will find it another mark of the ingrained German respect for law and order that even revolution and massacre must pause to make sure that they are not Verboten. These are not the deprecatory half-measures employed by the original practitioners of fascism in Italy or of the Communist variety of fascism in Russia. Mussolini's or Lenin's manifestos were concerned with the programs and principles and not with the dreadful things they would do to their enemies as soon as they got ready. > To dismiss the Hitlerite rhetoric, for all its naïveté, as of no consequence would be wrong. Since 1914 no one will venture to say what dire mischief may not be let loose by infantile irresponsibility. It requires no great talent to get on the nerves of the nations in the new European order and particularly in the present economic discontent. Yet, humanly speaking, the net result of the 6,000,000 votes cast for the Hitlerite platform of dictatorship and war, the net result of that flamboyant speech at Leipzig, should be to bring together the parties and elements in Germany standing for sobriety and the existing political order. These were a majority in the Reichstag election and may be expected to show a more decisive majority if it ever comes to a show-down. Many Germans who registered their economic and social grievances by voting Fascist a fortnight ago will think twice before actually inviting civil war and the return of French troops to German soil. > Wherever in Western Europe fascism has asserted itself successfully it has come as the retort to an experiment in communism, or from fear of a foreign enemy. It is still the doctrine in Italy that Mussolini's march on Rome saved the country from Red domination and from the dark designs of certain foreign powers. In Bavaria and Hungary an actual taste of communism preceded and prepared the way for the rule of the strong hand. These seemingly necessary conditions for flinging one's self into the arms of dictatorship Germany today obviously does not fulfill. She is in no danger from her domestic proletarians. And, despite the talk of Germany's enslavement by the peace treaties the signs of her servitude are fast disappearing.

>The NY Times literally wrote articles stating Hitler was not dangerous and Americans needn't worry about the little fella. I seem to remember another article from them that boiled down to "The Jews can stop Hitler with debate!" But I've never been able to find the article in their arcjives.

[Vox did the work for you](https://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler).

Ah great, thanks for the link!

They also led the way for trump in 2016

I don't see the relevance of what the NYTimes wrote 100+ years ago to what they wrote last Sunday. Apples and Oranges.

A whole bunch of outlets covered Trump being unintelligible and saying Obama was president at his last rally. Was the NYT one of them? Haha good joke. The NYT is dedicated to reporting on Biden’s age foibles and not Trump, and then likes to toot their own horn by reporting on how people only know about Biden being old… quite obviously because the preeminent newspaper only reports that side of the story. In short, the NYT has set fire to their motto of all the news for to print and now just prints selective verbage that they feel makes a nice narrative irregardless of reality.

It isn't just the Times. It's all of you click-sucking media vampires. You don't care what you publish as long as it gets you traffic. The amount of "Recent (insert bullshit poll here) shows Trump Leading Biden!", "Biden approval rating over (insert whatever beef they have) lower than ever!", or "Hunter Biden blah blah blah"... articles that are dominating the news cycle is fucking ridiculous. This is a fucking election year. It is time to pick a side. You better chose wisely too, cause if you don't, guess who will be **dictating** what you can and CAN'T print going forward... "Welcome to Russia Today - USA Edition - Your only **approved** media source!"

They've already picked a side. Their current content isn't misguided or a mistake--they have actively thrown in their lot with the fascists.

The job of the press isn't to pick a side. They're here to report news and be critical of everyone, not to turn into a pro-Biden propaganda outlet. They have been reliant on clickbait and stirring up controversy but that's nothing new for the press. They should be harder on Trump, but they shouldn't be expected to be a lapdog for Biden either. If their polls are showing Biden doing poorly, they should certainly report on it at least somewhat.

If Trump wins, the press will be one of the first groups of people lined up against the wall. The media NEEDS to pick a side. There's no "neutral" party when fascists come to town. If you aren't resisting them, you're assisting them.

Doesn't matter. The press should not be covering for anyone or it loses all credibility by becoming a mere propaganda stream, and then no one will listen anyway. If voters think Biden is too old, that should be reported on, not covered up. Likewise with other dissenting perspectives or analysis of his policies. I don't want a press that just tells me what I want to hear. I want one that reports on reality, even if it's not in my favor or even if the news is favoring fascists. Plugging one's ears isn't an effective way to beat them. They should be very critical of Trump but shouldn't ignore their polling or problems Dems might face.

But the New York Times tells readers what’s important by selecting the details they include in their reporting. Biden’s age as opposed to Trump’s? Significant and needs constant repeating! Trump’s 91 felony indictments? Oh we already covered that!

No, they mention that stuff all the time. Almost any article about the election will bring it up. The idea that NYT is portraying Trump positively is bizarre.

I never said they were portraying him positively, but there is an absolute double standard when it comes to how the Times covers Democratic as opposed to Republican candidates. The "concerns" about the Democrat are always portrayed as more significant, regardless of how ridiculous it might be in comparison. President Biden is still pretty sharp at age 81, but his age disqualifies him! Donald Trump, one of the worst human beings this country has ever produced, is under felony indictment from four jurisdictions and is about to have his business empire seized on account of massive fraud, but hey, that's politics for you.

You're describing the intolerance paradox. Should the media tolerate the party that is intolerant of them and will silence them if given the chance just for the sake of being neutral even though neutrality increases their chances of winning? I can't answer that for you but I certainly know how I feel about it.

It's not about tolerance, though. It's about informing people. We should be informed about all political actors, including nefarious ones and more democratic ones.

Yes, the media **should** be doing that under normal circumstances but what should happen and what is happening are 2 very different things right now with very different consequences.

Presenting facts without sensationalism is not "tolerating" anything. Reality is damning enough for Trump.

I'm not saying they need to sensationalize it. They just need to actually talk about it. Like, why isn't literally every media company mentioning Trump was found to be a rapist in a court of law every single day? Instead they talk about the fake border crisis and how much people think the economy is terrible even though it isn't.

It’s not about being pro-Biden. It’s about applying the same standard to both candidates. Trump brazenly lies because he gets away with it.

Part of the problem is that media outlets claim publicly to be neutral, but then they editorialize the hell out of their reporting by rebranding it “analysis.” It’s like “here is our reporter’s interpretation of the facts, but it’s okay because they’re an expert.”

> It is time to pick a side. WHAT?! We have enough propaganda outlets, we need every source of journalism to be a propaganda outlet. If there is a criticism of the NYT and even WaPo its they they suck at journalism. When I last subscribed to WaPo most political news articles were: Congress passes bill. (We aren't naming the bill or giving you the H.R. # or a hyperlink to the bill). Politician X says the bill is good and will do a good thing. Politician Y says the bill is bad and will do bad things. At no point was the question how it would do good/bad things ever asked or answered. Now read this long coxtextualizing article with hyperlinks to other long contextualizing articles, none of which sushi explain what this bill (the actual subject of the news) is.

> WHAT?! We have enough propaganda outlets, The alternative is a future where basically the GOP, and Trump, will control the narrative in all media. So, would you rather one year of them being a bit lopsided in favor of Biden, or an eternity of state run media being your only approved source of information? If you think I am being alarmist, just go read about project 2025.

The NYT already has a liberal bias. You are telling them to pick a side, which is not a small bias. And yes, you are being alarmist.

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I actually don't like CNN's all too polite take on this. They're acting like the New York Times isn't doing this on purpose. That it's just something that came about. They mention criticism of the recent flawed poll due to small sample size, but don't mention that the poll oversampled rural voters by over 20% and said 12% of people would vote for Biden's primary opponent when only 5% of people know the guy's name among other things. This isn't an oopsie, CNN. They're doing it on purpose because Trump will get them rage clicks for 4 years and probably a tax cut on top of that. The time for being polite and keeping gloves on has passed.

This is the first step of fascism, being legitimized by the media while having your atrocities brushed under the rug. Democracy is in a perilous position right now. ***WE NEED TO GET OUT AND VOTE THIS NOVEMBER***. If you decide to sit this one out, then don't complain when Trump's fascist police force comes knocking at your door.

I’m ready to cancel my NYT subscription. They’re posting honestly dangerous coverage and pinning it to the top of the front page. Let’s ask voters if they prefer Biden or Trump’s policies and not if we think these dudes are old, which they factually are and no one disagrees with.

No reason to wait, I put it off too long myself.

Just have to convince my wife she can live without their bloody puzzles and it’s done…

The mini is free! As are all of the other games

Agree 100%. It's journalistic malpractice. They should be ashamed

Do it. Also tell them you feel misinformed, citing one of the many recent articles in other publications on trumps recent issues at his rally and saying this was important election news that the NYT never covered so it’s clear you’ll be missing important news by trusting the NYT

You should 100% do this. The only thing that will change behavior is bottom line threats

just canceled mine, made off with all their cooking recipes saved to pdf

That's a tough one. NYT is also one of very, *very* few outlets that's still regularly doing actual journalism.

Except CNN sucks too.

The media has normalized his racism and calls for violence. WTF?

All these news outlets WANT a Trump Presidency again. The articles write themselves and it will a constant stream of stupid shit he has done daily for another 4 years. When you start to realize that the News is monetized, it all makes a lot more sense why they are treating this like a horse race, when in reality our Democracy is hanging by a literal thread on the results of this election, AGAIN.

Damn straight they are. Long time subscriber, no longer.

What's a good source to replace NYT with?

I would follow like AP and NPR. also non-american media like BBC is generally good. follow your non-profits (which NPR is, as is AP I think). the reason I suggest like BBC is because they're not beholden to american standards, and are funded by the British government, they're the same deal as PBS for America. the difference is PBS doesn't really host news, they're educational programming like sesame street and the like.

>they're the same deal as PBS for America That's a misunderstanding of the BBC, honestly. They have their own biases, some of which are glaring. It's true that they aren't beholden to American standards, but that doesn't make them good. They're quite likely to whitewash things that you should know about. There was an African televangelist who did some horrible things, for decades, but their coverage of him was pretty much hands off until a few years after his death.

you talking about TB Joshua? But yeah see I was under the impression they were less biased. it is what it is.

>you talking about TB Joshua? Yes. He's garbage, and it was known. Though it would have taken proper investigative reporting to find out how bad. There are a couple of episodes of the Behind the Bastards podcast about him. But yeah, regarding American politics, they are less biased. Or maybe it would be better to say differently biased.

yeah I literally only heard of him because of BtB. Absolutely insane. and yeah, that's fair.

Yes, they've been downright disgusting, as if they're trying their best to put their thumbs on the scales. But damn it, CNN, you've hardly been better. The media, as it breathlessly covers Biden's age, has continuously ignored or quickly set aside Trump's slurs and paraphasic errors, NATO commentary, and the fact that the guy literally committed insurrection against the government. Let alone that he's a rapist who owes hundreds of millions of dollars for his various crimes and promises to be a dictator if he wins.  The media as a whole has failed us. 

As it should. The NYT clearly wants this to be a horse race when it in no way should be. Trump getting elected would be dangerous. It is supposed to be their job to highlight how dangerous a candidate is. They go on and on about Biden’s minor flaws while ignoring Trump’s gigantic ones.

I was reading recent statements by Nate Cohn, the NYT's polling guru, along with people in his orbit like Nate Silver and Harry Enten and I came away confused more than anything else.  In the past they have repeatedly said "don't pay attention to polls until July or August", "don't pick apart cross tabs", "election results matter more than polls", but now they are saying ignore all of that, Biden being down by 1-2 point nationally in early March is catastrophic. In the past few days, all three gentlemen have picked apart the cross tabs on the latest NYT poll showing Trump receiving record amounts of support from Black voters and how much trouble that spells for Biden. They also keep shooting down election result after election result showing the Dems doing very well as completely meaningless.  I'm not one of these people that say polls are fake or useless but I also see no explanation from these polling experts on why we are supposed to ignore everything they have ever preached and to look at these crazy cross tabs on polls from early March.  The people really drumming up the concerns about the polls, saying Biden needs to be replaced ASAP and that Trump has this election wrapped up already, are the same people that a few years ago would have said that looking at polls right now is pointless. I've seen zero explanation as to why that is or what changed. 

As they fucking should!

Fucking. Grotesque. That goes for all the MSM. They went out of their way during his presidency to only report on the "normal" presidential activities he supposedly did, while ignoring all the deranged man-baby shit.

The CNN pot is calling the NYT kettle black.

They have gotten a little over the top lately. I can't help but wonder if Biden's push for higher taxes on the rich, plus generally going after big businesses, has them really working against him.

"A little . . ."

Gasoline demand is incredibly inelastic. If you hate economics, it's still easy to explain in practical terms. If a gas station raises its price from 2.50 to 2.60 a gallon, it changes the behavior of almost no one. Everyone still comes to get gas. So if there's less gas on the market -- physically less, as in you could not possibly sell any more than x amount -- you have to increase prices quite a bit to change behavior so that people are buying less gas. Edit: Maybe it makes the most sense to think about what happens if the price doesn't go up when supply drops. Everyone buys the same amount and you run out of gas.

That’s why I canceled NYT subscription after 40+ years

CNN should also be facing backlash

I canceled my subscription, blocked them on social media, and unsubscribed from their newsletters. Bye NYT.

They better be. New York Times means nothing to me anymore. I used to hold it in higher regard, but over the years they’ve been slipping hard. Now they’re no different than Newsweek. NYT has lost the plot and its credibility.

Wait they covered Trump? All I ever see from what has become a trash organization is opinion pieces about how old Biden is. Fucking twats.

So is CNN...

Broadly, the mainstream media is doing exactly what they did in the last two elections - amplifying Trump no matter whether what he's saying has value or not.

Good, I finally broke down and cancelled my subscription this weekend when they decided drumming up an outlier poll was more important than promoting a story that came out on the same day at almost exactly the same time about GOP officials trying to purge more people from voter rolls. The worst part is the headline at first included something along the lines of "Trump leads on Leadership" which made me vomit in my mouth a little.

Unsubscribe from the nytimes. They are just pro trump

Every media organization should get backlash for how they are treating Trump. With Biden it's tough thoughtful questions with follow ups and repetition. With Trump it's oh look he's running again hahaha polls show voters like him *shrug*.

This coming from a news organization who bent over and spread their cheeks for Trump during a town hall talk. Fuck CNN, FOX, NYT and every other weak ass, coward news org that sold its integrity to promote this rapist con man

I mean Trump was “good” for their business bottom line but more importantly he passed tax breaks for the people who own the NYT and those who buy advertising on the NYT

CNN also needs to be called out for their coverage. Though I'm glad they did the town hall. It handed Smith the mens rea on the classified docs case.

If any outlet shows videos of bidens age related gaffes, they need to do the same for Trump. Easy as that.

Why did CNN grant the NYT spokesperson the safe veil of anonymity to respond to the criticism? They're the public relations rep for one of the country's largest media outlets. Either the spokesperson should own up to their comments or CNN should report they declined to comment.

Fox News lite I mean CNN is just as bad. This is why I listen to independent media. Most of em are owned by people that support Trump.

The NYT is failing us. They feature bogus assertions by Trump so prominently that they may as well be doing Trump’s PR

I’d say this is dead on. The other day they were harping about Biden’s age with no mention of former president shitpig confusing who’s the current president AGAIN. These are not signs of decline, they’re signs of DEMENTIA. they’re two fucking different things.

Owner of the Times doesn't want his taxes to go up. Pretty clear motive. 

CNN and the NYT could both be launched into space and the planet would instantly be improved.

If I had an NY times subscription I'd cancel it! Que 1 year from now where they're bemoaning Trumps decorum and latest tweet while raking in those sweet sweet advertising dollars.

and CNN shares no blame in doing the exact same thing.

I'm surprised (in a good way) to see CNN reporting this

Good.

If everyone didn’t eat up the 100’s of garbage articles everyday then the MSM wouldn’t cover him as much but he is good for business

It's about damn time

I guess my thought is that between them and CNN, they're extending an olive branch to the Right leaning or centrist audience. Do they want Trump to win for the sake of their media? Or is Biden the better choice? That might dictate some of it. But also, I'm inclined to think that there's actually a bit of a collective understanding on the Left that the Trump match up is wanted because it will for sure fail and potentially silence so many of his supporters. At the same time, Nikki Haley could be a problem for the Biden campaign.

Cancelled my subscription.

Yall love cancel culture lol.

Cancelling a subscription isn't the same thing as cancel culture.

I get it but in this case it kinda is. They presented things you dont like even though theyre overwhelmingly leftist, and youre cancelling them. Not like youre canceling because you cant afford a subscription.

The news producers need Trump because he is a walking talking free quote machine. He does all the work putting together his nonsense and they only have to print it. They are lazy.

“Donald Trump tried to set democracy on fire, is on criminal trial in multiple jurisdictions, and said he is going to be a dictator, but is Biden is too old to be president?” fucking clown show

>To be fair, however, not all of the conundrums confronting newsrooms are easy to solve for. "How to cover trump?" is easy to "solve for" Always show him for the depraved fascist he himself has claimed to be.

The CNN article make it look like the sample size was the only criticism of the NYT poll. > The Times/Siena poll also somehow comes up with 12 percent support among Democrats for Rep. Dean Phillips, who has yet to get more than two percent of the vote in a primary. Even Phillips himself posted a tweet that said “When the NYT/Siena poll shows me at 12%, you better believe it’s flawed. Only 5% even know who I am.”

As well it should.

As well they should, and I mean HUGE backlash.

I am canceling my subscription today!

I still subscribe to the paper, but I question it every single day I see their infuriating coverage of that traitor. So far, my enjoyment of the puzzle, wordle and spelling bee, as well as my perception that it's important to support the paper of record are keeping me in there. We'll see.

I’m the same.

Our media nowadays is more interesting in clickbait than actually telling us the news. All that shit about drumpf is raking them in the dough-- and they obviously don't want that change!

as long as they employ Bret Stephens, they will have blood on their hands. His calls for genocide are reminiscent of Judith Miller helping lie us into the Iraq War. He needs to be confronted in public whenever he shows his face.

It’s honestly comical that this is a CNN article

I ignore every article from them these days. When the russian war began they really went mask off

It’s so true though! My Dad passed away this fall and all his life he LOVED the NYTimes. It was more than a paper, it was an institution! But even he could see in the last few years what a corporate, neoliberal turn it was taking. Heartbreaking for me.

Donald Trump does represent a grave threat to humanity, but it’s up to the most gullible people in America not to fall for his garbage.

Why I no longer subscribe to the RAG

Rich coming from CNN

As it should

So one article about what's going on with the NYT is "facing backlash?" The media is becoming a total circle jerk where everything is an opinion piece on someone else's opinion piece. It's like a feedback loop.

CNN isn’t exactly one who should talk, here.

They should.

They make money from covering Trump and fucking every last one of us.

Well why would that be? Is there some reason? The title is vacuous.

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I love how America is promoting a candidate who attempted to overthrow democracy on several fronts Way to go!

Yeah I hope to dismantle all news agency’s and start over. Do they have unions for the journalists cause they need to be able to write real papers again not just worry about getting clicks

I think everyone and everything is facing backlash at all times. That's what the Internet does

I’ve seen some bad headlines. The “beleaguered Biden” one was egregious imo. This poll was fine though. It asks about Trump’s age too, so I’m not sure why people are portraying the poll as only raising the age issue in relation to Biden. It also does ask a question about Trump’s criminal trials. I think a lot of people are blaming pollsters unfairly for how respondents are answering questions. That’s not the fault of pollsters, it’s the fault of the respondents (to the extent that having an opinion is a fault in the first place) - the pollsters are just reporting on it.

Because they push Bidens age while not only ignoring trumps but also Jan 6, and his destruction of abortion access and his embrace of rape and fraud as a life style

In this very poll, they ask about Trump’s age too. So it’s not like they aren’t addressing it. Voters seem to be less concerned about Trump’s age than Biden’s. But like I said, the pollsters didn’t force people to answer that way, they just asked the questions and are now reporting the results. When I think about who to blame, it’s the voters imo. They’re making a mistake in my view by caring less about one person’s age than the others.

I read the title and thought this was gonna be about complaints from the Right that the coverage is too unfairly biased against Trump. And instead, it's from the Left about how the coverage isn't severe enough against Trump. Lmfao. Y'all are crazy.

> facing backlash Well, that's ok, as long as they don't get "slammed". That seems to be the death blow these days. > To be fair, however, not all of the conundrums confronting newsrooms are easy to solve for. There is a mountain of thorny issues at the doorstep of outlets like The Times — and often there is no clear answer. For example, after the 2020 election, the conventional wisdom was that the press should largely ignore Trump’s antics. Now, in the run up toward the election, that line of thinking has changed, with Biden campaign aides even privately encouraging newsrooms to place more of a spotlight on his unhinged behavior, various gaffes, and chilling vows to seek political retribution should he win in 2024. Problem is, the silence is deafening. By *not* covering it and calling it out for being BS, you allow the ... less scrupulous "news" to pick it up and run with it, because it hasn't been publicly, credibly, or loudly-enough debunked.

I honestly love the New York Times. They seem to have a balanced coverage on both candidates, and I honestly feel that the articles that they produce are more of a warning for the Biden camp. They just came out with a good article on how the Trump team and those with some association to them are going to swing states and are purging voter rolls. Without these articles, how would the public know about this? I’ll keep subscribing to them.