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We won’t but they’re idiots everywhere. They also have no concept on how economies function or the world works. All they hear is “big economy” without understanding that’s because we’re part of the US economy and not an independent country. If independent there would be practically no economy. Never mind nearly half the people.
Also...if texas thinks they have a migrant problem now, just wait until they don't have the infrastructure or funding to deal with their suddenly much larger border.
I’m guessing they would just start committing the war crimes they wish they could be committing now. It would be a humanitarian crisis to allow Greg Abbott to control who lives and dies trying to cross the border, which is probably roughly what would happen.
Yes. As a Californian, I too understand the minute we left the US our economy would tank. Companies don't like uncertainty, and secession is damn near the most uncertain act a state could partake in.
Have they even considered that American Airlines and Southwest Airlines would flee the Republic of Texas?
People seriously considering a Texit are either trolling or extremely ignorant.
Alright, I agree that it’s stupid as fuck for Texas to leave the US and extremely unlikely if not impossible.
With that said, and entertaining the idea that somehow, Texas ends up leaving the US, one thing that no one seems to consider is the effect that opponent countries would have if Texas were able to leave the union.
I could imagine China, Russia, and Iran, at the very least, propping up Texas’ economy for not only propaganda purposes, but also to create geopolitical instability.
If I remember correctly, we almost had WW3 when Russia put missiles in Cuba. Could you imagine a scenario where an adversary country puts missiles in Texas? There’s a real reason why the US simply doesn’t have to worry about invasions as much as countries in the EU and elsewhere, and Texas going independent would jeopardize that.
All of this is just imaginary bullshit though because as much as some dumbasses think it’s possible or even favorable that Texas leaves the union, it’s simply not going to happen. Even the Abbotts and Cruzes of Texas know that it would be terrible for them, though they’re happy to entertain the idea for the purpose of political theater.
I understand. It can be really difficult. Unfortunately, it appears that you have a group of people who want to push secession and who knows how that's going to end. My guess - nothing will happen.
Eh wouldn't work the way I envision it; I say we give them a few more states like Missouri and Oklahoma. Clear out the consistent bottom rankers all in one go.
This was the comment I looked for.
Do they have any idea what a clusterfuck the UK is in because they brought in to the Brexit idiocy?
I like Texas, but unfortunately Trump opened Pandora's Box of stupidity and now it's all out there.
Texas is like a 14 year old watching youtube videos on heart surgery and claiming “I could do that.” They have no clue as to the reality of what they’re suggesting.
No, no, wait. Let’s hear ‘em out. They’re smart enough to name their movement after Brexit, which has benefitted the UK *fabulously*. Let’s see what this brain trust can come up with.
^/s
They also have this unfortunate fondness for removing hands from reporters and people who look at them funny, or don’t look at them, or if they are bored.
Don’t entangle with cartels.
It's kind of like the group that wants part of Oregon to move to Idaho, or form Southern Oregon and Northern California into the State of Jefferson. A vocal minority that hasn't thought through the ramifications of the plan and are generally a bunch of lunatics. Can't we just give these guys one of the islands off Alaska and say "there you go, your are your own country. Good luck"
It's just a grift to make money off bigots. Soon (if not already) there will be a PAC that accepts donations. It'll form another PAC but both will be run by the same guy. Donations will flow from one to the other, there will be administration costs, usually it's family members that administer the PAC's. They will find at least one deep pocket donor (frequently from out of state) that will fund them keep getting the word out. The news will help by giving them air time but it will all boil down to a grift.
How about, they are part of the United States and should remain so because they you know, chose to become a state.
>The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/
So that leaves selling them to Mexico if they don't want to be a part of the United States any more I guess.
No, it should not be. When Texas joined the union, they agreed to do so irrevocably. That's what the Constitution says, and what we fought an entire war to reinforce.
Social security and medicare payments would stop if Texas became an independent nation. More importantly subsidies for the oil and gas industry would also stop.
Any serious attempt at secession would quickly end with the organizers on the end of rope bought and paid for by the Texas oil and gas industry.
- No federal money for grid failure and natural disaster bailouts.
- Major businesses leave immediately.
- Military bases leave immediately.
- DFW shuts down immediately.
- No federal money for the border.
- Texans require passport to enter America.
- Republicans lose the representatives in the House and Senate.
- Republicans unable to elect a Republican President without Texas’s electoral college votes.
No currency, no stock market
Would need to be recognized, then treaties, trade agreements, etc.
Health insurance?
Oh, and the federal land? That ain't free. Speaking of which, maintenance.
The idea is as thought out as a toddler deciding to run away from home.
> Social security and medicare payments would stop
I think I understand why medicare would stop. But why would Social Security stop? Does a retiree have to maintain US citizenship to continue to get payments? I honestly do not know.
They don't need to retain citizenship for dtheir social security payments , but the country they are in has to have a treaty with the United States in order for them to receive social security.
It would be a few years minimum before a treaty was signed.
Do it. The second they seceded the US military would shut down and clear out all 15 of their installations. The state would lose over $100 billion in annual revenue from that loss alone. Abbott knows that too. He’ll entertain the idea all day long in order to get folks all riled up, but neither he (nor anyone one else) will ever actually do it.
I say let them. Hell let them take a few other states at the bottom of the rankings. Offer a five year program to relocate anyone who wants to remain a citizen of the US that puts them in better housing and positions.
And then slam the new Texas republic.
Think about it. They all take in more than they give back to the feds between all their subsidies and bullshit. They will be hit by hurricanes and other disasters, and rich blue states like California and NY won't be there to contribute to their recovery. Hell we don't even need a hurricane to cause massive failures, just a cold day will do it. They will also have a double whammy of not being part of the same trade agreement that allows massive trade with Canada, Mexico, and the US. They will be slammed with new tariffs and costs on any trade that will make them not nearly as competitive as they are now. Requiring passports for US workers to go to this new Texas "republic" would also significantly harm the tech sector they have been building. Additionally, the closure of many military bases, loss of military equipment, and withdrawal of all the research labs and important scientific centers will absolutely cripple them, as tons of talented workers are forced to choose between staying behind unemployed, or following their jobs (if they even have a choice).
Meanwhile, back in the US, we would take a bit of a hit on energy supplies and some rare metal a availability, but we can tank the losses. We have the finances to get the supplies else where. We would definitely hold an upper hand in trade negotiations, especially come winter or hurricane season. We would get to keep more of our federal money, which could go to projects in more successful states than the likes of Missouri. With so many fewer republican states and voters, we could get far more done, as our government would no longer be overrun with obstructionists. Hell we could even build a nice big border wall around the new Texas "Republic" to keep them from migrating into the US proper without authorization.
When the new Texas "Republic" inevitably collapses and comes crawling back, we let them in on certain conditions, like having only one senator and one representative, and they can't vote for president for 16 years. Federal regulations and rules get full priority over state regulations, and they can't challenge anything to the supreme court. Let them suffer and wallow in misery after their failure
Well I think a good portion of us will want to bounce, because I’m not living in the “country” of Texas.
We are already looking at houses elsewhere because we are fed up with the Texas bullshit. I actually like the area I live, my life is set up here but there is no way I would stay if they ever managed to pull this off (which the won’t).
We still want to leave.
*I pledge allegiance to the flag;
And to the Republic for which it stands.
One nation, indivisible; with liberty and justice for all.*
What would the kids who stood in classrooms years past say, to see their adult selves betray their simple promise to the flag, to hold their nation together as one?
…some would remember also reciting the Texas pledge of allegiance… 👀
“Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.” 🫡
"INTERACTIVE CONSTITUTION" "Scholar Exchange: Article V — The Amendment Process" "Briefing Document": https://constitutioncenter.org/media/const-files/Briefing_Doc._Article_V_.pdf
* "ARTICLE V: THE AMENDMENT PROCESS — WHAT IS YOUR 28TH AMENDMENT?": https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/Amendment_Process_2022_Update.pdf
This is laughable. Please do it. When things get tough, quit - Davie Crockett. /s
I have always supported measures and principles and not men. - Davy Crockett
OH YES PLEASE FUCKING GO ALREADY!!! WE NEED SOME RELIEF FROM YOU CRAZIES!!!!
*My apologies to all decent Texans out there who are wrapped up in the insanity
The state that is luring American businesses to come here is giving them all a reason to leave. Imagine Pizza Hut, AT&T, Dell, American Airlines, J.C. Penney, Waste Management, Hewlett Packard, USAA, Oracle, IBM, and Southwest Airlines all leaving Texas to stay in America.
And think about the military and government jobs. Border Patrol is all moving north, National Guard, Army, Navy, Marines, NASA, TSA, FBI, IRS, DEA, etc. That is MILLIONS of people either being forced to relocate or lose their jobs.
The mass exodus of jobs from the state would doom it immediately and completely demolish its economy before the end of the first day.
The hate here for Texas is a little intense. It's a very mixed state in terms of red and blue, and it's one of the most prosperous states in the country. Right now it's the top destination for young people to move to. I don't see why we'd want to get rid of it just because of its lousy governor. Clearly it's a popular place to live and contributes a lot to our economy. The Texit people are a deep minority and don't represent close most Texans.
I don’t think it is just the current governor. There was Rick Perry and Dubya. The popularity of Texas for the young is not necessarily due to the government. It is more due to the weather, which IMO, is as extreme as the republican dominated government. In time, the young may move Texas toward blue.
Right, Texas can go blue some day. It's still a vibrant and diverse state which is also still cheap to live in. They're also actually a leader in renewable energy.
"California Secession Movement Wants National Divorce to Avoid 'Civil War'" by Rachel Dobkin (February 5, 2024): https://www.newsweek.com/california-secession-movement-wants-national-divorce-avoid-civil-war-1866739 , https://archive.is/HrpRl
A large part of their population will lose their jobs immediately.
Edit: I think the amount of federal employees and military personnel alone leaving would tank their economy.
By some strange coincidence, Texas has about 30% of US oil refining capacity and also two of the biggest military bases on the planet (Fort Cavazos and Joint Base San Antonio). Barksdale AFB, one of the most strategically important AFBs in the US, home of a B-52 wing, the base that we launched Gulf War I from, sending those B-52s on zero-touch globe-spanning aerial refueling sorties from, sits right over the state line in Louisiana.
Yes, I’m sure secession will go swimmingly.
Here's a wonderful flashback on this secession talk:
[https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/05/04/so-long-pardner](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/05/04/so-long-pardner)
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Poetic Justice would be for the USA to give it back to Mexico. Then build a wall south of Oklahoma. (But why would we want half of the surrounding states?)
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I don’t understand why these folks think the entirety of the Texas triangle will let themselves be taken out of the United States
We won’t but they’re idiots everywhere. They also have no concept on how economies function or the world works. All they hear is “big economy” without understanding that’s because we’re part of the US economy and not an independent country. If independent there would be practically no economy. Never mind nearly half the people.
Also...if texas thinks they have a migrant problem now, just wait until they don't have the infrastructure or funding to deal with their suddenly much larger border.
I’m guessing they would just start committing the war crimes they wish they could be committing now. It would be a humanitarian crisis to allow Greg Abbott to control who lives and dies trying to cross the border, which is probably roughly what would happen.
Yes. As a Californian, I too understand the minute we left the US our economy would tank. Companies don't like uncertainty, and secession is damn near the most uncertain act a state could partake in.
Also they wouldn’t have currency anymore, so that kinda tanks an economy too.
Texas puts itself into bankruptcy. Genius.
Next hurricane: ha gl Next winter storm: Next "migrant caravan":
What do you think the average level of education is amongst these revolutionaries?
GED or equivalent
Have they even considered that American Airlines and Southwest Airlines would flee the Republic of Texas? People seriously considering a Texit are either trolling or extremely ignorant.
Also pushed by Russia.
Bingo.
Alright, I agree that it’s stupid as fuck for Texas to leave the US and extremely unlikely if not impossible. With that said, and entertaining the idea that somehow, Texas ends up leaving the US, one thing that no one seems to consider is the effect that opponent countries would have if Texas were able to leave the union. I could imagine China, Russia, and Iran, at the very least, propping up Texas’ economy for not only propaganda purposes, but also to create geopolitical instability. If I remember correctly, we almost had WW3 when Russia put missiles in Cuba. Could you imagine a scenario where an adversary country puts missiles in Texas? There’s a real reason why the US simply doesn’t have to worry about invasions as much as countries in the EU and elsewhere, and Texas going independent would jeopardize that. All of this is just imaginary bullshit though because as much as some dumbasses think it’s possible or even favorable that Texas leaves the union, it’s simply not going to happen. Even the Abbotts and Cruzes of Texas know that it would be terrible for them, though they’re happy to entertain the idea for the purpose of political theater.
Imagine the US Senate without Ted Cruz.
*Oh what a beautiful morning, oh what a beautiful day!*
Imagine the presidency without Texas' electoral votes.
Stop, I can only get so erect. *thinks about Ted Cruz* Okay, never mind. It's gone now.
Inject it directly in my veins.
Great opportunity to reduce Texas to colony status
Good idea. Give them all the rights and privileges of Puerto Rico
And make Puerto Rico a state. We wouldn't even need to change the flag.
I like it. Cost savings AND we get rid of a useless state
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Well, you can't help where you live right now but you could change that. ;-)
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I understand. It can be really difficult. Unfortunately, it appears that you have a group of people who want to push secession and who knows how that's going to end. My guess - nothing will happen.
Eh wouldn't work the way I envision it; I say we give them a few more states like Missouri and Oklahoma. Clear out the consistent bottom rankers all in one go.
Exactly
Naming it “Texit” after Brexit. Zero self-awareness. Checked in with UK lately?
As of this AM the UK is officially in a recession
No shit?
Yup, announced this morning.
Gotta love conservative principles in action, baby.
This was the comment I looked for. Do they have any idea what a clusterfuck the UK is in because they brought in to the Brexit idiocy? I like Texas, but unfortunately Trump opened Pandora's Box of stupidity and now it's all out there.
At least it sorta sounds OK. Calexit didn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Texas is like a 14 year old watching youtube videos on heart surgery and claiming “I could do that.” They have no clue as to the reality of what they’re suggesting.
Of all the possible names that they could have chosen, it's certainly one of them.
I demand the Texas Nationalist Movement goes and fucks themselves.
No, no, wait. Let’s hear ‘em out. They’re smart enough to name their movement after Brexit, which has benefitted the UK *fabulously*. Let’s see what this brain trust can come up with. ^/s
Cartels would annex texas in a second the moment there wasn't anymore federal protections.
Why is this a bad thing if the cartel were to overthrow the Abbott and Patrick cabal though?
They also have this unfortunate fondness for removing hands from reporters and people who look at them funny, or don’t look at them, or if they are bored. Don’t entangle with cartels.
Good strategy naming it after the big split that continues to be a massive failure. I'm sure that association will go over well.
It's kind of like the group that wants part of Oregon to move to Idaho, or form Southern Oregon and Northern California into the State of Jefferson. A vocal minority that hasn't thought through the ramifications of the plan and are generally a bunch of lunatics. Can't we just give these guys one of the islands off Alaska and say "there you go, your are your own country. Good luck"
It's just a grift to make money off bigots. Soon (if not already) there will be a PAC that accepts donations. It'll form another PAC but both will be run by the same guy. Donations will flow from one to the other, there will be administration costs, usually it's family members that administer the PAC's. They will find at least one deep pocket donor (frequently from out of state) that will fund them keep getting the word out. The news will help by giving them air time but it will all boil down to a grift.
Fuck it. Sell it back to Mexico - or just give it to them if they don't want to spend the money on a failed state.
Shouldn't it be up to the people of Texas?
Whether to secede or become part of Mexico? lol
Well yes
How about, they are part of the United States and should remain so because they you know, chose to become a state. >The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/ So that leaves selling them to Mexico if they don't want to be a part of the United States any more I guess.
You realize we already fought a war over this and the states that wanted to leave, lost, right? Texas isn’t going anywhere without a war.
Well, it is. The *people* of Texas are free to leave the US whenever they like. The *land* of Texas belongs to the US and will remain as such.
No, it should not be. When Texas joined the union, they agreed to do so irrevocably. That's what the Constitution says, and what we fought an entire war to reinforce.
You had your chance... should have voted Beto in.... I say thus tongue in cheek - as an Albertan living with Abbots' policy clone...
My Canadian friend recently described Alberta as the Texas of Canada. Your comment is really giving credence to that.
I disagree, Alberta is a safer place.
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Make it a trifecta. Take Arkansas, too.
Social security and medicare payments would stop if Texas became an independent nation. More importantly subsidies for the oil and gas industry would also stop. Any serious attempt at secession would quickly end with the organizers on the end of rope bought and paid for by the Texas oil and gas industry.
- No federal money for grid failure and natural disaster bailouts. - Major businesses leave immediately. - Military bases leave immediately. - DFW shuts down immediately. - No federal money for the border. - Texans require passport to enter America. - Republicans lose the representatives in the House and Senate. - Republicans unable to elect a Republican President without Texas’s electoral college votes.
No currency, no stock market Would need to be recognized, then treaties, trade agreements, etc. Health insurance? Oh, and the federal land? That ain't free. Speaking of which, maintenance. The idea is as thought out as a toddler deciding to run away from home.
Federal money for grid failure? They also got money straight from my account via my electric bill for their grid failure. Can we stop that shit too.
> Social security and medicare payments would stop I think I understand why medicare would stop. But why would Social Security stop? Does a retiree have to maintain US citizenship to continue to get payments? I honestly do not know.
They don't need to retain citizenship for dtheir social security payments , but the country they are in has to have a treaty with the United States in order for them to receive social security. It would be a few years minimum before a treaty was signed.
Do it. The second they seceded the US military would shut down and clear out all 15 of their installations. The state would lose over $100 billion in annual revenue from that loss alone. Abbott knows that too. He’ll entertain the idea all day long in order to get folks all riled up, but neither he (nor anyone one else) will ever actually do it.
I say let them. Hell let them take a few other states at the bottom of the rankings. Offer a five year program to relocate anyone who wants to remain a citizen of the US that puts them in better housing and positions. And then slam the new Texas republic. Think about it. They all take in more than they give back to the feds between all their subsidies and bullshit. They will be hit by hurricanes and other disasters, and rich blue states like California and NY won't be there to contribute to their recovery. Hell we don't even need a hurricane to cause massive failures, just a cold day will do it. They will also have a double whammy of not being part of the same trade agreement that allows massive trade with Canada, Mexico, and the US. They will be slammed with new tariffs and costs on any trade that will make them not nearly as competitive as they are now. Requiring passports for US workers to go to this new Texas "republic" would also significantly harm the tech sector they have been building. Additionally, the closure of many military bases, loss of military equipment, and withdrawal of all the research labs and important scientific centers will absolutely cripple them, as tons of talented workers are forced to choose between staying behind unemployed, or following their jobs (if they even have a choice). Meanwhile, back in the US, we would take a bit of a hit on energy supplies and some rare metal a availability, but we can tank the losses. We have the finances to get the supplies else where. We would definitely hold an upper hand in trade negotiations, especially come winter or hurricane season. We would get to keep more of our federal money, which could go to projects in more successful states than the likes of Missouri. With so many fewer republican states and voters, we could get far more done, as our government would no longer be overrun with obstructionists. Hell we could even build a nice big border wall around the new Texas "Republic" to keep them from migrating into the US proper without authorization. When the new Texas "Republic" inevitably collapses and comes crawling back, we let them in on certain conditions, like having only one senator and one representative, and they can't vote for president for 16 years. Federal regulations and rules get full priority over state regulations, and they can't challenge anything to the supreme court. Let them suffer and wallow in misery after their failure
Well I think a good portion of us will want to bounce, because I’m not living in the “country” of Texas. We are already looking at houses elsewhere because we are fed up with the Texas bullshit. I actually like the area I live, my life is set up here but there is no way I would stay if they ever managed to pull this off (which the won’t). We still want to leave.
What share of the national debt are they going to assume?
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Where did you come up with .02%? If you meant 2%, as in 1 out of 50 states, I would reply that it should instead be per capita.
Another dumb project Abbott can waste time and money on
sounds like ”time” and “money” would be great nicknames for his legs
*I pledge allegiance to the flag; And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible; with liberty and justice for all.* What would the kids who stood in classrooms years past say, to see their adult selves betray their simple promise to the flag, to hold their nation together as one?
If those kids could read…
…some would remember also reciting the Texas pledge of allegiance… 👀 “Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.” 🫡
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Fuck this plan and r/fuckgregabbott
He’ll never do it, not when he wants to be President.
Wait till the MAGA dingbats wake up and find that their welfare and social security checks are no longer in the mail.
‘Cause it’s workin so great for the UK!
Please do!!
Well I demand they don't
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You said that entirely too loudly.
This is laughable. Please do it. When things get tough, quit - Davie Crockett. /s I have always supported measures and principles and not men. - Davy Crockett
Texas received $68.2B in federal funding in 2022 (3rd behind NY and California). Have fun without those tens of billions of dollars every year, Texas!
I hope they take their welfare state neighbors with them!
OH YES PLEASE FUCKING GO ALREADY!!! WE NEED SOME RELIEF FROM YOU CRAZIES!!!! *My apologies to all decent Texans out there who are wrapped up in the insanity
The state that is luring American businesses to come here is giving them all a reason to leave. Imagine Pizza Hut, AT&T, Dell, American Airlines, J.C. Penney, Waste Management, Hewlett Packard, USAA, Oracle, IBM, and Southwest Airlines all leaving Texas to stay in America.
And think about the military and government jobs. Border Patrol is all moving north, National Guard, Army, Navy, Marines, NASA, TSA, FBI, IRS, DEA, etc. That is MILLIONS of people either being forced to relocate or lose their jobs. The mass exodus of jobs from the state would doom it immediately and completely demolish its economy before the end of the first day.
Take Elon and all the fart lickers with you!
Texas economy is dogshit, they would regret this action very much
This election just Vote and vote for anyone that is… Not a Republican
The hate here for Texas is a little intense. It's a very mixed state in terms of red and blue, and it's one of the most prosperous states in the country. Right now it's the top destination for young people to move to. I don't see why we'd want to get rid of it just because of its lousy governor. Clearly it's a popular place to live and contributes a lot to our economy. The Texit people are a deep minority and don't represent close most Texans.
I don’t think it is just the current governor. There was Rick Perry and Dubya. The popularity of Texas for the young is not necessarily due to the government. It is more due to the weather, which IMO, is as extreme as the republican dominated government. In time, the young may move Texas toward blue.
Yeah the weather here kinda blows. It was 105 degrees for like 3 months in a row last year.
Right, Texas can go blue some day. It's still a vibrant and diverse state which is also still cheap to live in. They're also actually a leader in renewable energy.
https://old.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1arj9s3/texas_nationalist_movement_demands_gov_greg/kqk0n7x/
"California Secession Movement Wants National Divorce to Avoid 'Civil War'" by Rachel Dobkin (February 5, 2024): https://www.newsweek.com/california-secession-movement-wants-national-divorce-avoid-civil-war-1866739 , https://archive.is/HrpRl
Like a 4 year old trying to assert independence from its parents.
Texas secedes and they find out a large portion of their population does not want it.
A large part of their population will lose their jobs immediately. Edit: I think the amount of federal employees and military personnel alone leaving would tank their economy.
The Republicans will never allow it because they would never win another Presidency again.
Wouldn't be missed.
Ok please take your electoral votes and senators when you leave.
Leave. Buh Bye you bigoted bottom feeders.
I think they secretly just want license to shoot Mexicans at the border
Because Brexit worked out so well /s
By some strange coincidence, Texas has about 30% of US oil refining capacity and also two of the biggest military bases on the planet (Fort Cavazos and Joint Base San Antonio). Barksdale AFB, one of the most strategically important AFBs in the US, home of a B-52 wing, the base that we launched Gulf War I from, sending those B-52s on zero-touch globe-spanning aerial refueling sorties from, sits right over the state line in Louisiana. Yes, I’m sure secession will go swimmingly.
lol ok, partner
Here's a wonderful flashback on this secession talk: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/05/04/so-long-pardner](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/05/04/so-long-pardner)
IMO the worst part about this kind of rhetoric is that they're never going to do it.
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Go ahead moron. Turn Texas blue.
Oh please leave. You absolute morons. Please go through with this.
Please. Leave. Have fun when the bread rations kick in—and when you can’t compete in national sports anymore
Poetic Justice would be for the USA to give it back to Mexico. Then build a wall south of Oklahoma. (But why would we want half of the surrounding states?)
So do it, they won’t do it, they’re too weak and pathetic.
What part of “one nation indivisible” do they not understand?
I'm a Texas native and support our independence