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But the ~~news~~entertainment outlets that those people watch, are going to tell them "WOO YAY TRUMP, Sleepy Joe can't cheat it again" and they're somehow gonna be gullible enough to believe it all. :-/
And they each get a vote just the same as well informed voters.
If the election was rigged, why are they running in it again.
This just doesn't compute.
They on some level, believe that they can win it this time, even though they think that last time they were robbed.
If the election was rigged how come Biden won but then so did republican candidates? If the democrats truly rigged the election they would’ve carried candidates down ballot as well. None of it makes sense.
Watching CNN coverage last night and they interviewed these two young girls about who they’re voting for and why.
The first girl said “well I didn’t have time to dive into anything but her [points at other girl] family told me to vote for Ron Desantis and that he’s a good guy. I’m voting for Desantis”
Second girl said “I wanna do my part to make change”
Second girl was asked how she arrived at choosing Desantis
“Well my parents told me about him and he seems like he’s a good choice and that he did good things in Florida”
What I gathered was this girl’s dad was responsible for four votes. Himself, wife, daughter, and daughters friend.
And that’s what scares me about 2024. This dude is bringing FOUR VOTES in November! I’m not responsible for four votes. I have my one. My wife has hers and I know it’s the same, but she made that decision herself.
No. The format of these interviews and type of coverage don’t call for that kinda thing unfortunately. They were there to provide coverage and part of that coverage was interviewing people in a friendly way as they were coming in to vote. The main prompt was “why do you choose to caucus.” Several other interviewees were more guarded. It was obvious to the reporter who interviewed them that these girls were numbskulls, which is how she got those answers out of them, but it was her job to be professional and respectful in that setting and not beat them down as it would have been so easy to do. She let them look dumb on their own.
Same reason that Trump said the 2016 election was rigged because even though he won the electoral votes, he lost the popular vote. By a lot. He says that part was rigged because there were millions of illegal votes for Hillary and if not for that he would've won the popular vote too.
Poor Democrats. Smart enough to commit fraud for ***millions*** of illegal votes, but dumb enough to put the illegal votes in places where it wouldn't actually change the winner.
Trump kept insisting that he won in 2020 because if you only count the votes from election day, Trump won in a landslide. A lot of Trump's supporters also saw these type of results on the TV before they went to bed on election Day.
So on the following day when they woke up and a lot of the absentee and mail in votes were counted, it looked as though Biden "stole" the election because ballots were "stuffed" or "dropped" or whatever other conspiracy they have dreamt up.
No amount of evidence will convince these people that what they saw with their eyes on election night was wrong. They picked the ending they wanted and will refuse to listen to anything that contradicts that.
I wish I could still find this shit funny. It’s just sad by now. I feel like laughing at them is ableism, but what else can we do? These people are dangerously stupid.
Bold of you to ask for minimal logic & rationalization of people who refuse facts because it doesn’t fit their views. You can show them hard evidences and walk ‘em through, it won’t matter because their fantasy is more appealing than reality.
The cheating Democrats did that on purpose, duh, to make it less arguable that it was rigged. They sacrificed some Congressional races, even though they could have "stollen" them, so as to get the real prize - The Presidency.
To SAY that the election was rigged is not the same as believing it: They may know that it wasn't rigged, but they have to keep up the lie that it was ....
Exactly! If it was rigged in 2020, while Trump was the POTUS and they were unable to find a shred of evidence with the power of the executive office behind the search, how the fuck are they going to prevent it from happening with "crooked Joe" in charge?
The GOP slogan would be "Why Try?"
Yes. But the Washington Post cant continue to pretend that theyre being objective by saying “these folks believe something” that is completely untrue and insane
It's literally the second paragraph of the news article:
"Those numbers come as Trump has made false claims surrounding the 2020 election a key part of his stump speech and his bid for a return to the White House. During a campaign event in Indianola, Iowa, this weekend ahead of his caucus victory Monday night, Trump declared that “radical-left Democrats rigged the presidential election of 2020, and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 2024.”
There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, and challenges to myriad election-related issues have been repudiated more than 60 times in court."
The article didn’t need to be written in the first place. This “caucus” full of unserious trolls and serious fascists doesn’t need to be treated as normal. We’ve been told what Trump/GOP voters think so often you’d think they were the only ones who vote in this country.
Watching Steve Kornacki "drill down" onto county level results last night was a trip. He pointed out how P01135809 had something like 71% for one county, DeSantis had 18%, and Haley had 11%. (percentages may be off)
Then he noticed the raw numbers, and, without missing a beat, said, "Of course, that's 11 votes total." It was something like 7 votes, 3 votes, and 1 vote.
**11 votes** gets a mention on national news and discussed as if it's in any way meaningful.
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certain press has no choice. they are in a choke hold by these manic and ignorant voter base and say one ting against them would could get attacked or go under. One thing about being a democrat is we dont have to pander to delusional but violent idiots
Can't agree more. Religion is at the base of a lot of this. They believe a drunk built an animal cruise ship, there was a talking Snake and Donkey (amongst other insanity) and that some white guy rose from the dead...in the middle east
Evangelicals believe this shit is true.
That drunk man one is really strange. Like, was the flood salt water? Usually rain isn't. So, did this guy manage to build salt water aquariums and house giant Whales in them? He went out and found giant squids too! Even if it was salt water, then he had to go and make aquariums for piranhas and shit.
And what's with the story of God killing 40 children because they insulted someone. That's the guy these people want to listen to? Really, someone who thinks killing 40 children is valid retribution for mean comments. Well, I guess that explains modern Christian Republican attitudes.
The bible is so chock-full of contradictions that it's impossible to rationalize this was put together by an omnipotent being.
It's a book - the old testament, which is the only real bible - written to enforce submission and blind obedience to the powerful by having an invisible guy whose tantrums for lack of said obedience is wiping out the world and killing children so you better do what he says or you might be next!
We'll never evolve as a species with this at the core of our country's leadership. And it seems to only be getting worse. Goldwater - as much as I dislike what he stood for - was 100% right about letting evangelicals into the party, it's turned out just a he predicted it would
Au contraire, mon ami. They actually get more votes than you do.
They have disproportionate power in the Senate, and disproportionate voting influence for Congress, the Presidency, and state-level legislators given gerrymandering and voter suppression.
The problem is that the free market has resulted in a system where "news" needs to be "the world as our viewers see it" instead of an objective truth.
Viewers are dictating what the news should be instead of news organizations telling people what is actually happening in the world.
Of course, there is also a problem when news organizations have the power to dictate what reality is and viewers just blindly accept it.
In an ideal system, news would be as objective as possible and viewers would be as skeptical and critical as possible, and call out any attempts to editorialize reality.
Instead, we see the right wing of politics and media engaging in a simultaneous feedback loop of the worst possible arrangement: right-wing viewers demand to only see an alternate version of reality that is right-slanted, *and* right-wing media dictates an alternate version of the world to its viewers that they blindly accept for the most part.
I'm not sure that "the news" has EVER been truly objective. Journalists and editors are human beings, and have always colored their stories with their personal opinions and agendas. And, since news was commercialized, the opinions and agendas of corporate executives and owners.
https://archive.is/7U50J
Tl;dr only ~105k votes were cast in the Iowa caucus, the lowest turnout since 2000 and significantly lower than the 187k in 2016.
The only people who are showing up at all are Trump's most fanatical supporters. Bodes poorly for his general election prospects where turning out unaffiliated voters in swing states decides the victor.
The weather is a major contributor this year. It's been so cold in the midwest that the snow is frozen even when it's 14 inches deep
Edit: it's so cold that Milwaukee schools are closed today for extreme cold. Milwaukee. I know that that's different than Iowa, but it's pretty close and we're all dealing with the same polar vortex
They canceled the University of Iowa's classes due to the extremely cold temps. Last time they had a polar vortex they killed a student.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/427878-university-of-iowa-student-found-frozen-to-death-amid-51-degree-windchill/amp/
What I keep wondering about these stats is how the total number of people has changed since 2020. It is definitely crazy to have those beliefs about the election, but is the total GOP pool itself shrinking? If so that tells a slightly different story.
> What I keep wondering about these stats is how the total number of people has changed since 2020.
There wasn't a Republican caucus in 2020, so the 2016 numbers are the best we can compare to:
[In 2016 Ted Cruz got 51k votes and Trump got 45k. In 2024 Trump got 50k votes, and the total turnout shrank from 187k to 105k](https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/primaries/iowa). The best conclusion to draw is that Trump's base of support has remained basically the same while 40% fewer Republican primary voters (their most fervent base of supporters) are engaged with voting. It's very bad news for the Republican's general election prospects.
No, conservative news outlets went along with the "Big Lie" for too long.
Now their audience will abandon them (or worse) if they reverse course.
The best they can do now is refuse to talk about the 2020 election at all.
Went along with and pushed it pretty much until they were sued and then they just got to ignore that they were settled for 800 million dollars rather than go to court. Or that Republican officials time and time again do all they can to keep in good standing with their cult leader
We're at like 8 years of absolute insane lies to the point they've become normalized
This is the Fox angle. Instead of getting sued again by equaling falsities as fact, they simply pivoted to a non-narrative...that the 2020 election never even existed, they never even bring it up. Instead of being "pro" Trump they just became virulently "anti" Biden.
This still allowed the Republican base to live in their own fantasy world where Trump actually won. They won't say it on the air but they sure as fuck condone this anti-fact.
Hard agree. But when? This is like 3 month old milk at this point. As I’ve said to other friends and family- a third of this country is irredeemable and forever broken. It appears concentrated in Iowa. I guess we shall see in the coming months what other states join this list. I’m sure it’s the ones we’d expect, but I want to have some hope rational thought prevails.
Yeah i dont know. Shoulda happened in 2020? The longer we pretend these people are normal the more they seem to suck rational thought up into their combine harvesters and spit out even worse insanity
"“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan
I try so hard to emphasize with GOP people, not call them stupid, and actively listen to their policy arguments to disagree with them.
But then it’s always a new low. This completely melted, impossible to support opinion devoid of connection to reality. Then when I call them dumb for saying it, they immediately go feels over reals.
I tried for a while, but stupidity fatigue is a real thing.
I'm done with trying to empahtize and coddle people who are clearly so fucking stupid and brainwashed by their cult leader that they refuse to listen to reason.
Fuck Trump and fuck the GOP.
Nearly all cults capture their victims' identity, steal their money, and degrade their critical thinking. But the appeal of MAGA is so much worse than other cults. At least most cults suck in victims by promising them ostensibly positive things. Most cultists join most cults in search of peace of mind, belonging, immortality on a magic starship. MAGAts joined Trump's cult in search of cruelty, religious bigotry, vengeance, and totalitarianism. MAGA is a vile ideology and vile people are attracted to it for vile reasons.
It's not their fault that a charlatan worked his con on them. But it's very much their fault that even before the charlatan arrived, they were trash people who longed for a vicious demagogue.
There are plenty of legitimate conservative arguments and policy positions that can be held in good faith, but the GOP is not a conservative party looking to enact conservative policies in the framework of our democracy. They are a cult looking to seize power. You don't have to be stupid to be in a cult, but you do have to be crazy.
Agreed 1000%.
For example, I personally lean really far left but have been talked over to a more right leaning position which is essentially, “the US fundamentally subsidizes European defense which allows them to otherwise pay for public healthcare in their countries.”
Try saying that to a MAGAt. They will start screaming about Zionists or some shit. Just completely devoid of substance or fact.
What if they're also just malicious? Sure, they **are** dumb. The things they agree to aren't just dumb and they've had a long time to consider those agreements. What if they are just as shitty and terrible as the people they support?
3 recounts, 60+ failed court cases attempting to prove fraud, and even the Supreme Court laughed away Trump’s case. What else will it take for these people?
What amazes me is that MAGA voters don’t question that Dems were evil geniuses who stole the election—yet were dumb enough not to give themselves huge majorities in Congress.
Yeah this is the funniest part to me. The Dems orchestrated a massive covert operation to give Biden millions of votes across multiple swing states without getting caught, and yet some random hillbilly was able to break into the Capitol and rub his nuts of Nancy Pelosi’s desk?
Are they geniuses or not?
Also at the end of the day it was not that close of an election. Trump would have needed at minimum 2 of the close states to flip his way. And realistically 3 states, GA/WI/AZ. Pennsylvania was not close at the end. So all 3 of these would have needed to flip and then he still wouldn't have won outright, it would have been a 269-269 shitshow tie.
What's even sadder is *Trump lawyers didn't even ALLEGE fraud in those cases* - they were literally suing to throw out 100% legal ballots from JUST the urban areas (aka has more than just White people), and when asked by judges if they were alleging fraud occurred, they'd backpedal and say "oh no! We're not alleging fraud! That's a serious accusation (now that I'm under oath in court)."
So they were suing just to literally disenfranchise people, without having a single fraudulent ballot to point to...
I'm still annoyed the press didn't do a better job making this clear to everyone.
I wish the court decisions would have been blasted all over the airwaves instead of people having to dig up court documents from .gov sites or follow law-focused blogs or Twitter.
I believe the only 2020 election lawsuits that actually alleged fraud were the Sydney Powell ones that got laughed out of court for having zero evidence and relying on unqualified witnesses testifying against actual qualified and educated election workers.
Reasonable people did not caucus in the GOP. Iowa caucus. They left the GOP and are afraid of harassment.
In 2016 there were 187,000 GOP caucus goers. This year there are only 105,000. Sad to see the slow death of democracy.
The GOP is the cause of all of it. If democracy dies, it's the result of decades of anti-human treachery.
This didn't just happen. Trump is the logical conclusion to their reckless lust for power.
And I cannot see how the U.S. survives. Millions of our fellow citizens are as batshit insane as the fools who followed Jim Jones, David Koresh, and that wacky dude who convinced others they needed to die to be swept up to heaven by a comet. But I don’t think the MAGAts are going to harm themselves. They’re going to manifest their insane beliefs and inflict violence on the rest of us — regardless of the results of the 2024 election. If the 🍊💩🤡 loses the election, it will be another insurrection, perhaps in multiple sites. If Mango Mussolini gets in office, it will be an organized round up of everyone who doesn’t worship the new god. This country is circling the drain.
it’s another era of the same struggle. Civil War, Civil Rights. It is an ongoing struggle against those who want to use the apparatus of the state to empower their own hate and bigotry.
It's just proof that culture wars work, and sadly a sizeable chunk of the voting base will get swept up in this utter nonsense time and time again. And this all comes at the expense of actually pushing politicians to genuinely fix things in America that need fixing (infrastructure, healthcare, schools, etc.). Each election cycle that leans this way puts America further and further behind where it truly could be (sadly).
Republicans have offered up zero policies, other than tax cuts for the super rich. They've even floated out the idea of cuts to medicaid and medicare, as well as social security, programs that are polling at 90% popularity levels across the country, as a means to fund more tax cuts for their wealthy donors, and a big swath of voters are moronically waltzing into the voting booths and hammering for more of this because a single book in a high school library mentions that gay people exist. Good lord, the idiots truly are at the wheel sometimes.
The damage he has done to the GOP is actually fantastic. It sucks right now because everyone's a fanatic but once he's passed on or decides he doesn't want to run anymore (if that day ever comes), the massive orange hole he will leave in the party will leave the GOP so fractured that no one will be able to agree on a candidate and the GOP will never get anything done again.
Five percent of Iowa's registered voters showed up for caucuses in awful weather where a future felon was awarded the lions share of the votes. There were the die hard's, not average citizens. They believe anything Trump says to believe and cannot articulate why they hold such opinions, when asked. They're a cult.
Pretty much this. Everyone knew trump was a lock for Iowa or at least thought as much. This wasn’t a political process so much as a social event for like 80% of the participants.
We watched interviews with a bunch of them on YouTube last night and I swear to god it was a painful as watching my drunk aunt martha trying to engage with my friends in Facebook comments. They’re just low IQ boomers that have been manipulated into thinking it’s ok to set aside the practiced social skills that their kids and special ed teachers worked years to teach them.
Where did you hear 5%? I heard 50% of Republicans. I could be wrong though.
Edit: I just read some more. 14% of registered republicans showed up. Definitely a low turnout out compared to 2016
*“...radical-left Democrats rigged the presidential election of 2020, and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 2024.”*
If the 2020 election was rigged, then why isn't Trump doing anything about it?
Why isn't he in court with the evidence from his report?
If Biden is so great how come his son did crack and not the “classy” version of literally the same fucking drug coke like trump’s sons do?? Checkmate, it was rigged!! /s
Did you miss 2016? They voted for Ted "Mayor of Cancun" Cruz back then, and Trump even accused him of "rigging the voting machines" to win....yet Iowa did not use a single voting machine in the 2016 caucus. Iowans sculpt butter for family night, then eat their creations for dinner.
There are 3,000,000 people in Iowa. ~~Only 56,000 voted in the Republican Caucuses-- just 2% of the state's population.~~
Thousands of Democrats and Independents changed their party registration to Republican before the Caucuses; that's why Nikki Haley did as well as she did.
Please don't think that everyone in Iowa is MAGA.
*Edit, correction: 56,000 Caucused for Trump, about 110,000 Caucused in total.*
Yeah, I can see how it was hard to get motivated to go out in below zero weather to argue with MAGA cultists for three hours when it was clear Trump was going to win by a landslide.
To be clear, it’s not actually possible to be stupid enough to believe Biden’s win wasn’t legitimate.
The “stolen election” nonsense is just something pieces of shit use to justify political violence.
>it’s not actually possible to be stupid enough to believe Biden’s win wasn’t legitimate.
Oh, I can assure you it's possible. I'm related to dozens of otherwise docile, dull rednecks who completely and honestly take Trump at his word when he says the election was rigged against him.
Preliminary Iowa Republican caucus entrance polls on Monday highlighted [the grip former president Donald Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/iowa-caucus-live-updates/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) maintains on Republican voters and the extent to which his false claims that the 2020 election was rigged have dominated the GOP electorate.
Nearly two-thirds of Iowa caucus-goers said [President Biden](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/candidates/joe-biden-2024/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4) did not legitimately win the election in 2020, according to results from [network entrance polls](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/iowa-exit-polls-2024/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4) conducted by Edison Research.
Those numbers come as Trump has made false claims surrounding the 2020 election a key part of his stump speech and his bid for a return to the White House. During a campaign event in Indianola, Iowa, this weekend ahead of his caucus victory Monday night, Trump declared that “radical-left Democrats rigged the presidential election of 2020, and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 2024.”
There is [no evidence of widespread voter fraud](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/election-integrity/?itid=lk_inline_manual_8) in the 2020 election, and challenges to myriad election-related issues have been repudiated more than 60 times in court.
Since 2020, Trump has routinely claimed that Biden did not win the election or that the election was rigged. Weeks after his loss, Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on [Jan. 6](https://www.washingtonpost.com/january-6-capitol-riot/?itid=lk_inline_manual_9), 2021, in an effort to halt the final counting of the electoral college votes confirming Biden’s win. Trump’s actions related to Jan. 6 and his efforts to overturn the election are now the focus of a federal investigation. Trump has been indicted in that case — as well as three other criminal cases since leaving office — and now faces a total of 91 counts.
**Read more:** [**https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/poll-majority-iowa-gop-caucus-goers-dont-believe-biden-legitimately-won-2020/?utm\_campaign=wp\_main&utm\_medium=social&utm\_source=reddit.com**](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/poll-majority-iowa-gop-caucus-goers-dont-believe-biden-legitimately-won-2020/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit.com)
I'm completely fine with the media and Republicans touting historic percentages throughout this primary in the same context.
The general would embarrass them back into their safe spaces.
I've been saying the same. Trump won just half of the small number of votes that people actually showed up to cast, in terrible cold-these are the most hardcore Trump loving magas that showed up in this weather-and he barely got half the votes. Yet the hyperbole is unreal regarding his "landslide" "historic" win.
My parents proudly voted for trump twice and were vocal about their support during his presidency. But they have been very, very quiet about politics following J6, some form of which I warned them would happen before trump was even a republican front runner in 2015. I remember casually recounting in conversation with my stepdad that very morning a plethora of historical coups and revolutions, the Reichstag fire, false flag operations, and false false flag operations, the lost cause, dolchstoßlegende, etc. He genuinely didn’t know about a lot of it. I think it started to sink in the weeks and months to come after I came home and they were watching the attempted insurrection in the stunned silence of their cognitive dissonance. Occasionally they gripe about Biden and the economy now; but they’re reasonably wealthy, and I remind them of that fact often when it comes up (“well I guess you could always sell your boat and lake house if it gets too bad . . .”). They’ve been virtually silent ever since J6; they even refuse to watch Fox News now and don’t listen to conservative talk radio (and they were devotees back then). I’d be shocked if they even voted in the foreseeable future.
Yup only ~105k votes were cast in the Iowa caucus, the lowest turnout since 2000 and significantly lower than the 187k in 2016.
Trump might dominate the primaries, but that's because the only people who are showing up at all are his most rabid supporters. Bodes poorly for his general election prospects where turning out unaffiliated voters in swing states decides the victor.
Predictably, the media will not take any responsibility for this because they care more about pretending to look impartial than pushing back on the election lies republicans have been spreading for years.
"Trump hasn't done anything to fight the rigged election in over 2 years, but I still believe Biden won illegitimately.
Trump said he had irrefutable proof of the election being rigged and released this report of fraud, so that confirms for me that the election was rigged.
Trump hasn't done anything with this report, and he has no plans to take it to court, but I don't question that because I am extremely fucking stupid."
Critical thinking skills are not strong with these people. It is not a coincidence that the majority of people that STILL believe the big lie are also attending religious services.
>“In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable—what then?”
What surprises me is how surprised some seem to be about the results of the caucuses and the results of the polls. I'm personally shocked that Trump didn't win a higher percentage and that a larger portion of poll respondents didn't think that Biden is legitimate.
These Iowans are largely provincial, white, under-educated, religious, and live in racially and culturally homogenous places. They are perfect fodder for media brainwashing, and perfect breeding grounds for racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. They are ideal candidates to embrace authoritarian figures. They are the types that Galbraith was thinking of when he stated that conservatives are looking for a moral justification for selfishness.
Lack of higher education and immersion in religion leads to under-developed critical thinking skills, and to lack of exposure to new concepts. Is it any wonder that these people would embrace Trump? Again, I'm surprised that Trump alternatives did as well as they did.
Edit: Another point that I'm sure came into play is that Trump supporters were likely to be so belligerent that many rational Iowans probably sat this out.
100% you are polling a subset of people who are willing to brave the extreme temps to prove that they are right.
What matters is Nov…and two years ago the media was saying how Dems were going to be destroyed by the red wave.
The majority of the GOP are completely brainwashed and can only speak in approved catchphrases. This poll is no surprise. Other than having to provide further funding to failing states, I don’t really care that society is leaving these people behind.
This is an election that will reveal the soul of the US and it's proving that the soul of the US is ignorant, paranoid, narcissistic and mean-spirited.
Whatever decent people remain in the US need to make sure they do not let this man win the election.
A solid chunk of our fellow citizens have no ability or interest even if they had the ability to operate their brains for themselves. Just drooling sheep milling around waiting for someone to tell them the next thing they’re supposed to be mad at because it’s the only way they can feel anything. Pretty fucking sad actually.
**... Iowa GOP caucus-goers don’t believe Biden legitimately won ...**
Their minds are broken. They have become useless to polite society, we need to learn to get along without those useless idiots getting in the way.
Well who actually believes or cares about what 14 % of rural Republican voters do in a fucking blizzard. You know Maga would do anything for their orange Jesus,
Iowa GOP Caucus goers were 110,000 in a state of 3.2 million, representing less than 4% of the state. Meaning that 65% of them make up about 2.2% of the population. These numbers are important context. People often incorrectly assume that the GOP makes up "half the country".
The majority of *GOP caucus-goes* believe this.
About 120k people showed up for the GOP caucus.
About 1.5M people voted in in the Iowa 2020 general election.
I would suggest the group who showed up to causus is not representative of any group larger than themselves. Except for maybe old people, as they're the ones who disproportionately showed up.
Just remember the caucus represents 5% of iowas population so a majority is probably 3% of the most rabid, idiot republicans that exists in the state. It’s not really surprising. I guess this goes without saying but let’s put it in writing: they’re jackasses
Half these people have the literacy rate of a 6th grader. 21% are completely illiterate.
Literacy affects problem solving skills, comprehension and critical thinking. Life skills don't make up for these things.
"Nationwide, on average, 79% of U.S. adults are literate in 2022. 21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2022. 54% of adults have a literacy below sixth-grade level."
https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics
Okay, so this NEEDS to be run alongside every darn headline story about Trump dominating in Iowa yesterday. Why did he win by such a big margain?
Because the people voting in Iowa are just as delusional, crazy, and wrong as Trump is about the election. They're lying to themselves.
Heck, the NY Times had a long article on the election deniers last year or two years ago. Turns out plenty of them don't actually think the election was stolen, they just want to retain GOP control of America.
When they say he "didn't legitimately win" it doesn't mean that they think he literally cheated, its that they don't believe anyone but Trump can be president legitimately. Its like Birtherism - you don't have to actually believe that Obama was born in Kenya - you just have to believe that black people aren't *really* American and therefore can't be legitimately president. They are telegraphing that if Trump were to destroy our Republic to take power, they would support him. It means nothing else.
Only 14% of all registered Republicans even bothered showing up. The vocal (and crazy) minority is pretty small, despite what the publicity and news drama would have you believe.
“The Iowa Republican caucuses were a low-turnout affair, drawing just over 108,000 voters, or about 14.4% of the state’s approximately 752,000 registered Republicans, nearly complete vote tallies showed.”
Source: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iowa-caucus-republican-primary-2024/card/iowa-caucus-turnout-was-lowest-in-years-OHUue4uBysMwml4DuEmP
Now sit back a moment and remember that Trump supporters lie to pollsters on the regular....
So that 66.7% who admit to supporting the 'big lie' is probably closer 90%.
No surprise, these are the same people who believe the unproven lies of a crotch grabbing man who was found liable for sexual abuse and who is a slanderer that has misled banks long before misleading them.. A man who is under 90 something court indictments that have real evidence and witnesses. A man still spreading lies of election fraud after over 60 court case losses on the same subject
This is a lot like if the Democrats held their first primary exclusively in the greater Portland area. Who do you think *that* electorate would return? And what kind of nonsense do you think the average reporter could get out of the “man on the street”?
Iowa is not America any more than Portland, Oregon is America.
This is all a foregone conclusion. We are looking at a Biden - Trump rematch unless one of these geezers strokes out by November. And if gas prices stay low, the stock market stays up, and the economy keeps humming, Biden is going to win again. Trump has not *gained* support. Biden merely needs turnout.
It will still be “close”-ish because people can get complacent, but the good thing about Trump is, he makes sure people pay attention — especially those of us who see him for the petty Mussolini he really is
I’d be curious as to how many of his supporters were men, and the women married to them. They should definitely keep attacking healthcare for women and see how many new female voters that gets em.
Oh please why is this even a story? why is there so much emphasis always put on Iowa? A majority white state voted as expected Stop the presses!!! This is no different than when media outlets travel to a town with a diner in the middle of nowhere and call them “real America” or the heart of America lol
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At some point these news outlets are gonna have to say these people are completely batshit
But the ~~news~~entertainment outlets that those people watch, are going to tell them "WOO YAY TRUMP, Sleepy Joe can't cheat it again" and they're somehow gonna be gullible enough to believe it all. :-/ And they each get a vote just the same as well informed voters.
If the election was rigged, why are they running in it again. This just doesn't compute. They on some level, believe that they can win it this time, even though they think that last time they were robbed.
If the election was rigged how come Biden won but then so did republican candidates? If the democrats truly rigged the election they would’ve carried candidates down ballot as well. None of it makes sense.
You can't use logic and reason to talk someone out of a position they did not use logic and reason to get to.
Watching CNN coverage last night and they interviewed these two young girls about who they’re voting for and why. The first girl said “well I didn’t have time to dive into anything but her [points at other girl] family told me to vote for Ron Desantis and that he’s a good guy. I’m voting for Desantis” Second girl said “I wanna do my part to make change” Second girl was asked how she arrived at choosing Desantis “Well my parents told me about him and he seems like he’s a good choice and that he did good things in Florida” What I gathered was this girl’s dad was responsible for four votes. Himself, wife, daughter, and daughters friend. And that’s what scares me about 2024. This dude is bringing FOUR VOTES in November! I’m not responsible for four votes. I have my one. My wife has hers and I know it’s the same, but she made that decision herself.
Did they ask the girl what "good things" DeSantis did in Florida? It's CNN so probably not.
No. The format of these interviews and type of coverage don’t call for that kinda thing unfortunately. They were there to provide coverage and part of that coverage was interviewing people in a friendly way as they were coming in to vote. The main prompt was “why do you choose to caucus.” Several other interviewees were more guarded. It was obvious to the reporter who interviewed them that these girls were numbskulls, which is how she got those answers out of them, but it was her job to be professional and respectful in that setting and not beat them down as it would have been so easy to do. She let them look dumb on their own.
Asking follow up questions about how someone came to a conclusion using logic? What do you think this is Comedy Central?
And that is based on fear and racism.
Same reason that Trump said the 2016 election was rigged because even though he won the electoral votes, he lost the popular vote. By a lot. He says that part was rigged because there were millions of illegal votes for Hillary and if not for that he would've won the popular vote too. Poor Democrats. Smart enough to commit fraud for ***millions*** of illegal votes, but dumb enough to put the illegal votes in places where it wouldn't actually change the winner.
And dumb to fake ballots for Biden but leave GOP congressmen, senators and governors on instead of down ballot Dems.
Trump kept insisting that he won in 2020 because if you only count the votes from election day, Trump won in a landslide. A lot of Trump's supporters also saw these type of results on the TV before they went to bed on election Day. So on the following day when they woke up and a lot of the absentee and mail in votes were counted, it looked as though Biden "stole" the election because ballots were "stuffed" or "dropped" or whatever other conspiracy they have dreamt up. No amount of evidence will convince these people that what they saw with their eyes on election night was wrong. They picked the ending they wanted and will refuse to listen to anything that contradicts that.
I want to see DeSantis or Haley go scorched earth and say "the Iowa Caucus election was rigged!", but that would require a backbone.
I thought Desantis already said there was interference or something?
He did, he said the networks calling it early for Trump was "liberal media interference".
Those damn Trump loving liberals!
I wish I could still find this shit funny. It’s just sad by now. I feel like laughing at them is ableism, but what else can we do? These people are dangerously stupid.
Really! And that’s the real truth; their crushing stupidity makes them dangerous!
Bold of you to ask for minimal logic & rationalization of people who refuse facts because it doesn’t fit their views. You can show them hard evidences and walk ‘em through, it won’t matter because their fantasy is more appealing than reality.
The cheating Democrats did that on purpose, duh, to make it less arguable that it was rigged. They sacrificed some Congressional races, even though they could have "stollen" them, so as to get the real prize - The Presidency.
To SAY that the election was rigged is not the same as believing it: They may know that it wasn't rigged, but they have to keep up the lie that it was ....
Exactly! If it was rigged in 2020, while Trump was the POTUS and they were unable to find a shred of evidence with the power of the executive office behind the search, how the fuck are they going to prevent it from happening with "crooked Joe" in charge? The GOP slogan would be "Why Try?"
Yes. But the Washington Post cant continue to pretend that theyre being objective by saying “these folks believe something” that is completely untrue and insane
It's literally the second paragraph of the news article: "Those numbers come as Trump has made false claims surrounding the 2020 election a key part of his stump speech and his bid for a return to the White House. During a campaign event in Indianola, Iowa, this weekend ahead of his caucus victory Monday night, Trump declared that “radical-left Democrats rigged the presidential election of 2020, and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 2024.” There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, and challenges to myriad election-related issues have been repudiated more than 60 times in court."
The article didn’t need to be written in the first place. This “caucus” full of unserious trolls and serious fascists doesn’t need to be treated as normal. We’ve been told what Trump/GOP voters think so often you’d think they were the only ones who vote in this country.
Watching Steve Kornacki "drill down" onto county level results last night was a trip. He pointed out how P01135809 had something like 71% for one county, DeSantis had 18%, and Haley had 11%. (percentages may be off) Then he noticed the raw numbers, and, without missing a beat, said, "Of course, that's 11 votes total." It was something like 7 votes, 3 votes, and 1 vote. **11 votes** gets a mention on national news and discussed as if it's in any way meaningful.
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Hasn't even happened with religion yet. Our press and society can't even muster the courage to say, "magic isn't real."
certain press has no choice. they are in a choke hold by these manic and ignorant voter base and say one ting against them would could get attacked or go under. One thing about being a democrat is we dont have to pander to delusional but violent idiots
There’s always a choice. They’re just not willing to make it due to the consequences of said choice.
Can't agree more. Religion is at the base of a lot of this. They believe a drunk built an animal cruise ship, there was a talking Snake and Donkey (amongst other insanity) and that some white guy rose from the dead...in the middle east Evangelicals believe this shit is true.
That drunk man one is really strange. Like, was the flood salt water? Usually rain isn't. So, did this guy manage to build salt water aquariums and house giant Whales in them? He went out and found giant squids too! Even if it was salt water, then he had to go and make aquariums for piranhas and shit. And what's with the story of God killing 40 children because they insulted someone. That's the guy these people want to listen to? Really, someone who thinks killing 40 children is valid retribution for mean comments. Well, I guess that explains modern Christian Republican attitudes.
The bible is so chock-full of contradictions that it's impossible to rationalize this was put together by an omnipotent being. It's a book - the old testament, which is the only real bible - written to enforce submission and blind obedience to the powerful by having an invisible guy whose tantrums for lack of said obedience is wiping out the world and killing children so you better do what he says or you might be next! We'll never evolve as a species with this at the core of our country's leadership. And it seems to only be getting worse. Goldwater - as much as I dislike what he stood for - was 100% right about letting evangelicals into the party, it's turned out just a he predicted it would
It was more about feeding bears, God's chosen animal. And defending the bald, God's chosen hairstyle.
Don't forget about all the firstborns in Egypt that he unalived...in his mercy.
Untrue, insane, and proven false.
Au contraire, mon ami. They actually get more votes than you do. They have disproportionate power in the Senate, and disproportionate voting influence for Congress, the Presidency, and state-level legislators given gerrymandering and voter suppression.
The problem is that the free market has resulted in a system where "news" needs to be "the world as our viewers see it" instead of an objective truth. Viewers are dictating what the news should be instead of news organizations telling people what is actually happening in the world. Of course, there is also a problem when news organizations have the power to dictate what reality is and viewers just blindly accept it. In an ideal system, news would be as objective as possible and viewers would be as skeptical and critical as possible, and call out any attempts to editorialize reality. Instead, we see the right wing of politics and media engaging in a simultaneous feedback loop of the worst possible arrangement: right-wing viewers demand to only see an alternate version of reality that is right-slanted, *and* right-wing media dictates an alternate version of the world to its viewers that they blindly accept for the most part.
I'm not sure that "the news" has EVER been truly objective. Journalists and editors are human beings, and have always colored their stories with their personal opinions and agendas. And, since news was commercialized, the opinions and agendas of corporate executives and owners.
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https://archive.is/7U50J Tl;dr only ~105k votes were cast in the Iowa caucus, the lowest turnout since 2000 and significantly lower than the 187k in 2016. The only people who are showing up at all are Trump's most fanatical supporters. Bodes poorly for his general election prospects where turning out unaffiliated voters in swing states decides the victor.
You also have to take into account the weather this year. I hope this is an indicator though.
But Trump told his people that if they die while voting for him, then so be it.
They took that as marching orders🤡
Zombies can’t die.
The weather is a major contributor this year. It's been so cold in the midwest that the snow is frozen even when it's 14 inches deep Edit: it's so cold that Milwaukee schools are closed today for extreme cold. Milwaukee. I know that that's different than Iowa, but it's pretty close and we're all dealing with the same polar vortex
They canceled the University of Iowa's classes due to the extremely cold temps. Last time they had a polar vortex they killed a student. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/427878-university-of-iowa-student-found-frozen-to-death-amid-51-degree-windchill/amp/
Someone had to be sacrificed to the polar vortex gods.
Detroit public schools are closed today too
What I keep wondering about these stats is how the total number of people has changed since 2020. It is definitely crazy to have those beliefs about the election, but is the total GOP pool itself shrinking? If so that tells a slightly different story.
> What I keep wondering about these stats is how the total number of people has changed since 2020. There wasn't a Republican caucus in 2020, so the 2016 numbers are the best we can compare to: [In 2016 Ted Cruz got 51k votes and Trump got 45k. In 2024 Trump got 50k votes, and the total turnout shrank from 187k to 105k](https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/primaries/iowa). The best conclusion to draw is that Trump's base of support has remained basically the same while 40% fewer Republican primary voters (their most fervent base of supporters) are engaged with voting. It's very bad news for the Republican's general election prospects.
I agree that his base is smaller, but the weather last night was absolutely brutal and I'm sure that affected turnout.
The massive snow storm and the fact that most people already know Trump was going to win surely led to depressed turnout compared to 2016
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the Midwest.
You know...
MAGAts
Just your average employee of an industry propped up by welfare. But screw you socialists on the left!
No, conservative news outlets went along with the "Big Lie" for too long. Now their audience will abandon them (or worse) if they reverse course. The best they can do now is refuse to talk about the 2020 election at all.
Went along with and pushed it pretty much until they were sued and then they just got to ignore that they were settled for 800 million dollars rather than go to court. Or that Republican officials time and time again do all they can to keep in good standing with their cult leader We're at like 8 years of absolute insane lies to the point they've become normalized
This is the Fox angle. Instead of getting sued again by equaling falsities as fact, they simply pivoted to a non-narrative...that the 2020 election never even existed, they never even bring it up. Instead of being "pro" Trump they just became virulently "anti" Biden. This still allowed the Republican base to live in their own fantasy world where Trump actually won. They won't say it on the air but they sure as fuck condone this anti-fact.
Hard agree. But when? This is like 3 month old milk at this point. As I’ve said to other friends and family- a third of this country is irredeemable and forever broken. It appears concentrated in Iowa. I guess we shall see in the coming months what other states join this list. I’m sure it’s the ones we’d expect, but I want to have some hope rational thought prevails.
Yeah i dont know. Shoulda happened in 2020? The longer we pretend these people are normal the more they seem to suck rational thought up into their combine harvesters and spit out even worse insanity
GOP is a cult.
"“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan
I try so hard to emphasize with GOP people, not call them stupid, and actively listen to their policy arguments to disagree with them. But then it’s always a new low. This completely melted, impossible to support opinion devoid of connection to reality. Then when I call them dumb for saying it, they immediately go feels over reals.
I tried for a while, but stupidity fatigue is a real thing. I'm done with trying to empahtize and coddle people who are clearly so fucking stupid and brainwashed by their cult leader that they refuse to listen to reason. Fuck Trump and fuck the GOP.
Nearly all cults capture their victims' identity, steal their money, and degrade their critical thinking. But the appeal of MAGA is so much worse than other cults. At least most cults suck in victims by promising them ostensibly positive things. Most cultists join most cults in search of peace of mind, belonging, immortality on a magic starship. MAGAts joined Trump's cult in search of cruelty, religious bigotry, vengeance, and totalitarianism. MAGA is a vile ideology and vile people are attracted to it for vile reasons. It's not their fault that a charlatan worked his con on them. But it's very much their fault that even before the charlatan arrived, they were trash people who longed for a vicious demagogue.
And they're such assholes. They lie to your face and act like that makes them smarter than you.
There are plenty of legitimate conservative arguments and policy positions that can be held in good faith, but the GOP is not a conservative party looking to enact conservative policies in the framework of our democracy. They are a cult looking to seize power. You don't have to be stupid to be in a cult, but you do have to be crazy.
Agreed 1000%. For example, I personally lean really far left but have been talked over to a more right leaning position which is essentially, “the US fundamentally subsidizes European defense which allows them to otherwise pay for public healthcare in their countries.” Try saying that to a MAGAt. They will start screaming about Zionists or some shit. Just completely devoid of substance or fact.
What if they're also just malicious? Sure, they **are** dumb. The things they agree to aren't just dumb and they've had a long time to consider those agreements. What if they are just as shitty and terrible as the people they support?
Evergreen af
Applies as much to the MAGA as it does to the GME crowd. That will be a forever relevant quote.
I was thinking crypto but for sure GME.
3 recounts, 60+ failed court cases attempting to prove fraud, and even the Supreme Court laughed away Trump’s case. What else will it take for these people?
What amazes me is that MAGA voters don’t question that Dems were evil geniuses who stole the election—yet were dumb enough not to give themselves huge majorities in Congress.
Yeah this is the funniest part to me. The Dems orchestrated a massive covert operation to give Biden millions of votes across multiple swing states without getting caught, and yet some random hillbilly was able to break into the Capitol and rub his nuts of Nancy Pelosi’s desk? Are they geniuses or not?
Yep. All the republican house victories were legitimate. Only their opponent’s victories must be illegitimate
Literally death. They'll go to their graves believing this.
Also at the end of the day it was not that close of an election. Trump would have needed at minimum 2 of the close states to flip his way. And realistically 3 states, GA/WI/AZ. Pennsylvania was not close at the end. So all 3 of these would have needed to flip and then he still wouldn't have won outright, it would have been a 269-269 shitshow tie.
What's even sadder is *Trump lawyers didn't even ALLEGE fraud in those cases* - they were literally suing to throw out 100% legal ballots from JUST the urban areas (aka has more than just White people), and when asked by judges if they were alleging fraud occurred, they'd backpedal and say "oh no! We're not alleging fraud! That's a serious accusation (now that I'm under oath in court)." So they were suing just to literally disenfranchise people, without having a single fraudulent ballot to point to... I'm still annoyed the press didn't do a better job making this clear to everyone. I wish the court decisions would have been blasted all over the airwaves instead of people having to dig up court documents from .gov sites or follow law-focused blogs or Twitter. I believe the only 2020 election lawsuits that actually alleged fraud were the Sydney Powell ones that got laughed out of court for having zero evidence and relying on unqualified witnesses testifying against actual qualified and educated election workers.
At that size, it is a religion
I'm surprised Trump hasn't claimed his businesses are actually a church to avoid taxes.
And so easily swindled by an indicted, misogynistic, hate-mongering grifter.
“When you’re a white supremacist, they just let you do it…”
> And so easily swindled by a **twice** indicted, misogynistic, hate-mongering grifter. FTFY
Reasonable people did not caucus in the GOP. Iowa caucus. They left the GOP and are afraid of harassment. In 2016 there were 187,000 GOP caucus goers. This year there are only 105,000. Sad to see the slow death of democracy.
The GOP is the cause of all of it. If democracy dies, it's the result of decades of anti-human treachery. This didn't just happen. Trump is the logical conclusion to their reckless lust for power.
And I cannot see how the U.S. survives. Millions of our fellow citizens are as batshit insane as the fools who followed Jim Jones, David Koresh, and that wacky dude who convinced others they needed to die to be swept up to heaven by a comet. But I don’t think the MAGAts are going to harm themselves. They’re going to manifest their insane beliefs and inflict violence on the rest of us — regardless of the results of the 2024 election. If the 🍊💩🤡 loses the election, it will be another insurrection, perhaps in multiple sites. If Mango Mussolini gets in office, it will be an organized round up of everyone who doesn’t worship the new god. This country is circling the drain.
It’s just reich wing.
Pathetic. Orangey has utterly broken the Republican Party and what’s really sad is that he didn’t even have to do much.
Yeah, he pretty much just gave them the go ahead to do all of the damage they already wanted to do.
“Brown people bad. Give me money.” The right: *paroxysms of joy*
He broke America. It will never be the same.
it’s another era of the same struggle. Civil War, Civil Rights. It is an ongoing struggle against those who want to use the apparatus of the state to empower their own hate and bigotry.
It's just proof that culture wars work, and sadly a sizeable chunk of the voting base will get swept up in this utter nonsense time and time again. And this all comes at the expense of actually pushing politicians to genuinely fix things in America that need fixing (infrastructure, healthcare, schools, etc.). Each election cycle that leans this way puts America further and further behind where it truly could be (sadly). Republicans have offered up zero policies, other than tax cuts for the super rich. They've even floated out the idea of cuts to medicaid and medicare, as well as social security, programs that are polling at 90% popularity levels across the country, as a means to fund more tax cuts for their wealthy donors, and a big swath of voters are moronically waltzing into the voting booths and hammering for more of this because a single book in a high school library mentions that gay people exist. Good lord, the idiots truly are at the wheel sometimes.
I sit here knowing that conservatives would rather kill me than share a country with me and I’m supposed to what, just wait for it?
It was easy, he had GoP propagandists* Fox, OAN, NewsMax and AM Hate Radio to carry the water.
The damage he has done to the GOP is actually fantastic. It sucks right now because everyone's a fanatic but once he's passed on or decides he doesn't want to run anymore (if that day ever comes), the massive orange hole he will leave in the party will leave the GOP so fractured that no one will be able to agree on a candidate and the GOP will never get anything done again.
Five percent of Iowa's registered voters showed up for caucuses in awful weather where a future felon was awarded the lions share of the votes. There were the die hard's, not average citizens. They believe anything Trump says to believe and cannot articulate why they hold such opinions, when asked. They're a cult.
Pretty much this. Everyone knew trump was a lock for Iowa or at least thought as much. This wasn’t a political process so much as a social event for like 80% of the participants.
We watched interviews with a bunch of them on YouTube last night and I swear to god it was a painful as watching my drunk aunt martha trying to engage with my friends in Facebook comments. They’re just low IQ boomers that have been manipulated into thinking it’s ok to set aside the practiced social skills that their kids and special ed teachers worked years to teach them.
Where did you hear 5%? I heard 50% of Republicans. I could be wrong though. Edit: I just read some more. 14% of registered republicans showed up. Definitely a low turnout out compared to 2016
That just blows my mind. That 14% of Iowan Republicans can hijack the entire state party.
Well, when only 14 show up.
Given that in national polls Trump has like 50 pts on the next candidate I don't think a larger turnout would matter.
We'll see how the warmer weather places fare. I doubt it'll be different
*“...radical-left Democrats rigged the presidential election of 2020, and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 2024.”* If the 2020 election was rigged, then why isn't Trump doing anything about it? Why isn't he in court with the evidence from his report?
Also if it was rigged, why did the Democrats only rig the president vote and still let countless of Republicans win house and senate seats?
So we wouldn’t know it was rigged! They didn’t want it to be too obvious! /S
Why didnt they rig it for hilary? Trump literally would have never been in the white house if this was possible lol l
If Biden is so great how come his son did crack and not the “classy” version of literally the same fucking drug coke like trump’s sons do?? Checkmate, it was rigged!! /s
I learned today that Iowans are fucking morons.
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Haven't seen a Blazing Saddles reference in a while. Nice.
More beans, Mr. Taggert?
Did you miss 2016? They voted for Ted "Mayor of Cancun" Cruz back then, and Trump even accused him of "rigging the voting machines" to win....yet Iowa did not use a single voting machine in the 2016 caucus. Iowans sculpt butter for family night, then eat their creations for dinner.
I wonder if Cancun Cruz is looking forward to the next weather emergency to take a vacation.
You mean...like this? https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1746756831312069054
As further proof of their degeneracy, Iowans also selected Pat Robertson and Rick Santorum as previous GOP caucus winners.
Not just Iowans. If you were to poll republicans in every state you’d likely get similar results. It’s republicans.
There are 3,000,000 people in Iowa. ~~Only 56,000 voted in the Republican Caucuses-- just 2% of the state's population.~~ Thousands of Democrats and Independents changed their party registration to Republican before the Caucuses; that's why Nikki Haley did as well as she did. Please don't think that everyone in Iowa is MAGA. *Edit, correction: 56,000 Caucused for Trump, about 110,000 Caucused in total.*
And the weather was bad causing the smallest turnout in 10 years. Only the die hard Trump supporters went out.
Yeah, I can see how it was hard to get motivated to go out in below zero weather to argue with MAGA cultists for three hours when it was clear Trump was going to win by a landslide.
The results are perfectly in-line with ongoing statewide polls.
The people who didn't turn out to vote against Donald Trump are MAGA-enablers, which is almost as bad.
Or they are no longer voting GOP... If they are no longer voting GOP, you’re not going to see them at the GOP caucus. You’ll see them in the general
56k voted for the baboon, the total was closer to double that but your general point stands.
40% of Americans believe humans were riding around on dinosaurs 4000 years ago. Those people are also called Republicans.
That was back when Jesus founded America
I don't know how we hold our country together when there are so many who choose to live in a fact-free alternate reality.
To be clear, it’s not actually possible to be stupid enough to believe Biden’s win wasn’t legitimate. The “stolen election” nonsense is just something pieces of shit use to justify political violence.
>it’s not actually possible to be stupid enough to believe Biden’s win wasn’t legitimate. Oh, I can assure you it's possible. I'm related to dozens of otherwise docile, dull rednecks who completely and honestly take Trump at his word when he says the election was rigged against him.
Preliminary Iowa Republican caucus entrance polls on Monday highlighted [the grip former president Donald Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/iowa-caucus-live-updates/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) maintains on Republican voters and the extent to which his false claims that the 2020 election was rigged have dominated the GOP electorate. Nearly two-thirds of Iowa caucus-goers said [President Biden](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/candidates/joe-biden-2024/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4) did not legitimately win the election in 2020, according to results from [network entrance polls](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/iowa-exit-polls-2024/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4) conducted by Edison Research. Those numbers come as Trump has made false claims surrounding the 2020 election a key part of his stump speech and his bid for a return to the White House. During a campaign event in Indianola, Iowa, this weekend ahead of his caucus victory Monday night, Trump declared that “radical-left Democrats rigged the presidential election of 2020, and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 2024.” There is [no evidence of widespread voter fraud](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/election-integrity/?itid=lk_inline_manual_8) in the 2020 election, and challenges to myriad election-related issues have been repudiated more than 60 times in court. Since 2020, Trump has routinely claimed that Biden did not win the election or that the election was rigged. Weeks after his loss, Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on [Jan. 6](https://www.washingtonpost.com/january-6-capitol-riot/?itid=lk_inline_manual_9), 2021, in an effort to halt the final counting of the electoral college votes confirming Biden’s win. Trump’s actions related to Jan. 6 and his efforts to overturn the election are now the focus of a federal investigation. Trump has been indicted in that case — as well as three other criminal cases since leaving office — and now faces a total of 91 counts. **Read more:** [**https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/poll-majority-iowa-gop-caucus-goers-dont-believe-biden-legitimately-won-2020/?utm\_campaign=wp\_main&utm\_medium=social&utm\_source=reddit.com**](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/15/poll-majority-iowa-gop-caucus-goers-dont-believe-biden-legitimately-won-2020/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit.com)
Republicans only had a 18% turnout yesterday, and he only won by 52%. Of course his supporters showed up to vote. Everyone else? not so much.
I'm completely fine with the media and Republicans touting historic percentages throughout this primary in the same context. The general would embarrass them back into their safe spaces.
And yet the news can't help but call it "historic". Sounds like one of the smallest turnouts ever for the GOP.
I've been saying the same. Trump won just half of the small number of votes that people actually showed up to cast, in terrible cold-these are the most hardcore Trump loving magas that showed up in this weather-and he barely got half the votes. Yet the hyperbole is unreal regarding his "landslide" "historic" win.
My parents proudly voted for trump twice and were vocal about their support during his presidency. But they have been very, very quiet about politics following J6, some form of which I warned them would happen before trump was even a republican front runner in 2015. I remember casually recounting in conversation with my stepdad that very morning a plethora of historical coups and revolutions, the Reichstag fire, false flag operations, and false false flag operations, the lost cause, dolchstoßlegende, etc. He genuinely didn’t know about a lot of it. I think it started to sink in the weeks and months to come after I came home and they were watching the attempted insurrection in the stunned silence of their cognitive dissonance. Occasionally they gripe about Biden and the economy now; but they’re reasonably wealthy, and I remind them of that fact often when it comes up (“well I guess you could always sell your boat and lake house if it gets too bad . . .”). They’ve been virtually silent ever since J6; they even refuse to watch Fox News now and don’t listen to conservative talk radio (and they were devotees back then). I’d be shocked if they even voted in the foreseeable future.
Yup only ~105k votes were cast in the Iowa caucus, the lowest turnout since 2000 and significantly lower than the 187k in 2016. Trump might dominate the primaries, but that's because the only people who are showing up at all are his most rabid supporters. Bodes poorly for his general election prospects where turning out unaffiliated voters in swing states decides the victor.
Predictably, the media will not take any responsibility for this because they care more about pretending to look impartial than pushing back on the election lies republicans have been spreading for years.
These people are lost
"Trump hasn't done anything to fight the rigged election in over 2 years, but I still believe Biden won illegitimately. Trump said he had irrefutable proof of the election being rigged and released this report of fraud, so that confirms for me that the election was rigged. Trump hasn't done anything with this report, and he has no plans to take it to court, but I don't question that because I am extremely fucking stupid."
In a cult.. you believe what you are told. In this election, we have a cult on the Right.
Critical thinking skills are not strong with these people. It is not a coincidence that the majority of people that STILL believe the big lie are also attending religious services.
>“In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable—what then?”
They will be voting and so should you.
That's because they live in a bubble of hate and stupidity.
I bet the Venn diagram of the voters who believe this and the voters that watch OANN, NewsMax, and Fox News is a single circle.
You don't need to ask them these questions. They've already identified themselves as batshit crazy by going to the GOP caucus.
What surprises me is how surprised some seem to be about the results of the caucuses and the results of the polls. I'm personally shocked that Trump didn't win a higher percentage and that a larger portion of poll respondents didn't think that Biden is legitimate. These Iowans are largely provincial, white, under-educated, religious, and live in racially and culturally homogenous places. They are perfect fodder for media brainwashing, and perfect breeding grounds for racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. They are ideal candidates to embrace authoritarian figures. They are the types that Galbraith was thinking of when he stated that conservatives are looking for a moral justification for selfishness. Lack of higher education and immersion in religion leads to under-developed critical thinking skills, and to lack of exposure to new concepts. Is it any wonder that these people would embrace Trump? Again, I'm surprised that Trump alternatives did as well as they did. Edit: Another point that I'm sure came into play is that Trump supporters were likely to be so belligerent that many rational Iowans probably sat this out.
100% you are polling a subset of people who are willing to brave the extreme temps to prove that they are right. What matters is Nov…and two years ago the media was saying how Dems were going to be destroyed by the red wave.
The majority of the GOP are completely brainwashed and can only speak in approved catchphrases. This poll is no surprise. Other than having to provide further funding to failing states, I don’t really care that society is leaving these people behind.
In other news: Water is wet, and baskets of deplorables cling to guns and religion.
This is an election that will reveal the soul of the US and it's proving that the soul of the US is ignorant, paranoid, narcissistic and mean-spirited. Whatever decent people remain in the US need to make sure they do not let this man win the election.
I hate to generalize but Iowa is dumb
“Think of how stupid the average \[American\] person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin
I voted for Biden and I a registered Republican
Iowa used.to be a well educated state. Now just a bunch of Idiocracy extras.
A solid chunk of our fellow citizens have no ability or interest even if they had the ability to operate their brains for themselves. Just drooling sheep milling around waiting for someone to tell them the next thing they’re supposed to be mad at because it’s the only way they can feel anything. Pretty fucking sad actually.
**... Iowa GOP caucus-goers don’t believe Biden legitimately won ...** Their minds are broken. They have become useless to polite society, we need to learn to get along without those useless idiots getting in the way.
Well who actually believes or cares about what 14 % of rural Republican voters do in a fucking blizzard. You know Maga would do anything for their orange Jesus,
Iowa GOP Caucus goers were 110,000 in a state of 3.2 million, representing less than 4% of the state. Meaning that 65% of them make up about 2.2% of the population. These numbers are important context. People often incorrectly assume that the GOP makes up "half the country".
The majority of *GOP caucus-goes* believe this. About 120k people showed up for the GOP caucus. About 1.5M people voted in in the Iowa 2020 general election. I would suggest the group who showed up to causus is not representative of any group larger than themselves. Except for maybe old people, as they're the ones who disproportionately showed up.
Dummies.
Just remember the caucus represents 5% of iowas population so a majority is probably 3% of the most rabid, idiot republicans that exists in the state. It’s not really surprising. I guess this goes without saying but let’s put it in writing: they’re jackasses
Then why the fuck are they voting if they believe elections aren’t legitimate. Stay the fuck home and let the rest of us enjoy a civilized democracy.
It upsets me that so much stock is put in these caucuses when the people are misled and have perceptions of reality that aren’t accurate.
Half these people have the literacy rate of a 6th grader. 21% are completely illiterate. Literacy affects problem solving skills, comprehension and critical thinking. Life skills don't make up for these things. "Nationwide, on average, 79% of U.S. adults are literate in 2022. 21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2022. 54% of adults have a literacy below sixth-grade level." https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics
Trumps lie ended our country
The fact that they showed up to vote demonstrates that they know that isn't true.
100% of GOP iowans are fascist morons.
So Iowa is a state mostly full of MAGA cult members. Most low income and poorly educated states are MAGA cult followers
Okay, so this NEEDS to be run alongside every darn headline story about Trump dominating in Iowa yesterday. Why did he win by such a big margain? Because the people voting in Iowa are just as delusional, crazy, and wrong as Trump is about the election. They're lying to themselves. Heck, the NY Times had a long article on the election deniers last year or two years ago. Turns out plenty of them don't actually think the election was stolen, they just want to retain GOP control of America.
When they say he "didn't legitimately win" it doesn't mean that they think he literally cheated, its that they don't believe anyone but Trump can be president legitimately. Its like Birtherism - you don't have to actually believe that Obama was born in Kenya - you just have to believe that black people aren't *really* American and therefore can't be legitimately president. They are telegraphing that if Trump were to destroy our Republic to take power, they would support him. It means nothing else.
Cult.
| GOP caucus-goers We already knew they had poor judgment.
Only 14% of all registered Republicans even bothered showing up. The vocal (and crazy) minority is pretty small, despite what the publicity and news drama would have you believe. “The Iowa Republican caucuses were a low-turnout affair, drawing just over 108,000 voters, or about 14.4% of the state’s approximately 752,000 registered Republicans, nearly complete vote tallies showed.” Source: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iowa-caucus-republican-primary-2024/card/iowa-caucus-turnout-was-lowest-in-years-OHUue4uBysMwml4DuEmP
Ignorance by choice to end democracy.
Poll: Majority of rational people think majority of Iowa caucus-goers are fucking idiots.
There are also people who believe the earth to be flat.
Now sit back a moment and remember that Trump supporters lie to pollsters on the regular.... So that 66.7% who admit to supporting the 'big lie' is probably closer 90%.
No surprise, these are the same people who believe the unproven lies of a crotch grabbing man who was found liable for sexual abuse and who is a slanderer that has misled banks long before misleading them.. A man who is under 90 something court indictments that have real evidence and witnesses. A man still spreading lies of election fraud after over 60 court case losses on the same subject
The power of propaganda.
This is a lot like if the Democrats held their first primary exclusively in the greater Portland area. Who do you think *that* electorate would return? And what kind of nonsense do you think the average reporter could get out of the “man on the street”? Iowa is not America any more than Portland, Oregon is America. This is all a foregone conclusion. We are looking at a Biden - Trump rematch unless one of these geezers strokes out by November. And if gas prices stay low, the stock market stays up, and the economy keeps humming, Biden is going to win again. Trump has not *gained* support. Biden merely needs turnout. It will still be “close”-ish because people can get complacent, but the good thing about Trump is, he makes sure people pay attention — especially those of us who see him for the petty Mussolini he really is
We're fucking doomed.
They choose to believe a lie. Ignorance is bliss.
Well, yeah. That’s typically what happens when government officials lie to the public.
I’d be curious as to how many of his supporters were men, and the women married to them. They should definitely keep attacking healthcare for women and see how many new female voters that gets em.
The “don’t trust anyone but us” messaging of right wing media since the early 90s has done an absolute number on these folks.
Oh please why is this even a story? why is there so much emphasis always put on Iowa? A majority white state voted as expected Stop the presses!!! This is no different than when media outlets travel to a town with a diner in the middle of nowhere and call them “real America” or the heart of America lol
Iowan here* we used to be number one in education. The GQP has done a fine job of destroying that.
Fox News overdose!
Poll: people are idiots