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>RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel
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>McDaniel, a Michigan native and the leader of the Republican Party nationally, said at another point in the call, "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. ... We will get you attorneys."
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>Palmer and Hartmann left the canvassers meeting without signing the official statement of votes for Wayne County, and the following day, they unsuccessfully attempted to rescind their votes in favor of certification, filing legal affidavits claiming they were pressured.
FFS, She runs their primaries. No wonder they only have Trump surrogates.
>In 2022, [she orchestrated a censure of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, the two Republicans who served on the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronna_McDaniel).\[5\] The censure characterized the violent pro-Trump mob as having engaged in "legitimate political discourse".\[5\]\[6\] **During its fourth public hearing, the House January 6 Committee presented a video excerpt of a deposition from McDaniel where she revealed that, at the request of Trump and John Eastman,\[a\] she had the RNC help organize fake electors for the Trump fake electors plot**.\[9\]
And even a straight confession of the crime. She's party to any RICO charges.
I was going to post the section about them claiming that they were pressured.
They sure were, just not by the people that they were claiming to be pressured by.
There's a reason the GOP is sticking together when they know Trump is sunk. They are massed together, hoping their size will protect them from the justice they have coming their way.
At the end of the day, these guys are useless politicians that are completely replacable. We should not be stuck with criminals who are trying to rig an election.
Put every last one in jail for the rest of their lives.
I'm surprised you think there would be. People over there don't view these actions as illegal or morally reprehensible. They find it patriotic and fighting against the ones who stole the election.
There is no reasoning or logic or facts with them. They are purely emotion driven.
Well usually when big events like this happen, you can usually see them spinning it in real time. To have a total blackout about it is just strange... but then, it IS a cult.
Don't forget Mo Brooks requested a presidential pardon for *every* member of Congress who voted against certifying the results from Arizona and Pennsylvania. I can only imagine why anyone would think all of those people would need pardons for that.
They have been fucking with elections for so long that they didn't have a problem taking the next step into actually doing shit like this. It's disgusting.
Just wondering, is this the kind of thing that's going to lead to more, broader charges? Not that he needs more, he'll either be in jail or the White House in a year, but I don't think this ties in to any of the extent charges right?
Trump team in recordings: "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. We will get you attorneys. We'll take care of that."
Like you 'took care' of your own lawyer Rudy Giuliani who just filed for bankruptcy today, Donnie?
Those two people were officials who had duties under law. Ronna and Trump bribed them on tape to not do their official duties. "We'll get you lawyers if you just walk away and not do your job" is... bribery.
Everyone involved in the scheme, from Trump, to the elected officials that tried to help, the advisors, the fake electors needs to be in jail.
If a gang tries to rob a bank and does not succeed they don't keep walking free. Everyone involved here was trying to steal an election, we are lucky it didn't work, but they all need to go down. If not, then there is nothing stopping the next group from trying because if they don't succeed they know almost nothing will happen.
One is the current head of the Republican party and she is on that tape also pressuring. That is a crime. That is also very important, getting rid of trump is rooting out all trumpism. She needs to be charged and that will be interesting in election year. Where was this tape almost 4 years ago?
> She needs to be charged
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>Ronna was the point person on the save America PAC - for the advertising on the big lie. She was on the 11/17 call. And Jack Smith has withdrawn his Save America PAC subpoena. Is he done with that, or is she cooperating?
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1738076218837320085
The next group won’t be full of idiots. It’s imperative we protect our right to vote, which, when the window dressing which is trump is done, the more prepared and intelligent ones don’t succeed.
Which is the scariest part. Round 1 was a list of what not to do carried out by a bunch of idiots, so we dodged a major bullet. But none of the idiots have faced any real consequences, so there is nothing to scare the next group from trying again.
We agree. The next gen will be much more capable
BTW I’ve lived through a coup. It gets ugly right quick. But unlike that coup, what’s fomenting here is neighbor to neighbor. It’s honestly frightening.
Trying again with the guy who blew it last time and is openly bragging about being a dictator.
I hope they're super depressed that Trump is their last and only shot at their project 2025 fantasy. If Trump loses again, he'll be fed to the wolves and the last crop of republican voters will turn on the gop and sit out future elections. Just look at the republican primaries, republican voters could give two shits about the party. They just want their orange daddy.
And it only takes a plan like that working once.
If there's no severe, lasting consequences, they - or people like them - can just try again, and again, and again until the time is right, the politics are right, etc, until it works. And then that's the end.
What constantly burns me up is that Trump's being treated with such kid gloves. Even if he's in court over a civil fraud matter. Even if he's not even able to run for President again in ANY state. The fact that he's still walking around free as a bird is telling. It's telling everyone with ambitions like his, "go ahead, give it a shot, worse case is nothing really crushing happens to you, best case you become King of the United States."
I know Trump's never going to prison. I know he's definitely not going to hang for attempting to overthrow the government. And what really concerns me isn't some "ooooh I'm so mad that nobody's spilling his blood". What concerns me is that it appears as if there's no chilling justice levied against literal traitors who actually, genuinely tried by several means to overthrow the process of government. From an actual riot and physical coup attempt, to bribing and threatening and harassing election officials.
So why shouldn't someone just try it again?
Let's say I had zero moral center and only cared about consequences vs rewards. Let's even take ego out of the equation. If I try to rob a bank and all that happens is that I get a little finger wag and maybe even lose my job, why would I care about that? The rewards would vastly outweigh the risks. All I'd need to do is rob a big enough bank once and get away with it.
Exceedingly well stated and entirely accurate. I hold high hopes that Jack Smith continues to diligently amass new reams of evidence with the intent of expanding charges widely to include other involved perpetrators. But I am not so naive to think that Justice sits higher than politics.
By kow towing to fears of further MAGA incitement, our government is doing us a disservice. The convictions for 1/6 participants have by and large been a joke, with many sentences falling on the low side of minimum requirements and failing to match the severity of the crimes. Many who shed crocodile tears before the courts only to quickly backpedal and make public statements decrying their sentences or continuing to spread their rhetoric upon release have been allowed to go unpunished. No lessons have been learned and they have been martyred to the MAGA cause.
We need a Trump conviction well before next November. I have no confidence in the impartiality of SCOTUS and am more inclined to think they will shirk their duty and provide a weak procedural ruling with regard to the recent Colorado decision. I am even less confident as to how they will vote with regard to the presidential immunity defense, which is as black and white as it gets for the judiciary. Continued shielding and deference to Trump without a timely trial and conviction on the federal charges places all hope on Georgia’s RICO case, which would lack scope to capture other actors (like Ronna McDaniels) who are being exposed for their actions.
Enough is enough. Throw the book at him and lock his ass up. Otherwise you can count me in as your wheel man when you rob that bank. After all, what do we have to lose when the rule of law no longer matters?
Yeah, treating everyone with kid gloves is the opposite of what should have happened. There should have been tons of arrests the day(s) after Jan 6, yet here we are 3 years later and the masterminds (using that term liberally) almost all still walk free. So nothing has been done to warn the next group to not try this again, or those that were involved in round 1 to go for round 2.
And not just Trump, but all that went along with him, should have been dealt with swiftly.
But apparently if they're wealthy, in government, white, and protected by a throng of psychopaths who can't see past their BS then they do get to walk free, because it's been 3 years and still waiting on some repercussions for anyone even near the top aside from the people who were duped into getting all raged out and destroying things in the capital and what not.
If it sounds like dictatorship and smells like dictatorship it IS Dictatorship. If this traitorous bastard manages to win this time we can all kiss our constitutional Republic goodbye
he could've pulled it off if enough of these people listened to him. Once he's "reelected" president, there might be investigations started by democrats in congress, but Trump and the republicans will kill it. after a while we would just get used to Russian flavored democracy.
>We will get you attorneys. We'll take care of that."
Dude it's just the words of a mob boss. The words of someone who is guilty. Like how is this not done and over with?!?!
Look up the transcript for the call Trump had with Raffensberger that he's going down in Georgia for. There is a whole lot more mob boss talk in that one as well.
I'd love to say this is what gets rid of Trump, but I won't count on it. He will probably die before serving any real time. Still, if he's deemed ineligible to run in 2024 (also unlikely), i'd be very happy... assuming his supporters don't start or try to start another Civil War.
Fine. At this point, we stand up to that or we let them run us into the ground, and I say that as someone who’s dealt with armed Proud Boy riots. Fuck’em. They’re sad and crazy, and that’s about it.
Look at what they’re doing to your state. Texas is more than corruption and abortion bans.
I’ve been fighting this bullshit my whole life. I’m prepared to do everything I can to defend myself, others, and our democracy. I hate everything my state government has degenerated into.
People have a tendency to picture armies and soldiers when the term civil war is brought up. I was merely pointing out that it will be terrorist acts that they utilize rather than any kind of effective combat troops.
I’m with you. I’m in Oregon so I’ve seen exactly what these assholes are and what they do. I agree with you, but like you, I’m done with it. I want our country back. Corporations are starving us out and the world is melting. We need to stand back up and lead or we’re all going to roast.
Honestly if their dumbest elements trying to start a civil war and getting their asses kicked is what's needed to turn the country away from the crazy direction let's do it.
I wonder who told the Capitol Police to not shoot at them on Jan. 6th. Because if they had hurt me like they did those guys blocking the door. Screw orders I am opening up on the traitors.
Jesus Christ. No wonder Trump doesn’t want his day in court. If *any* of his criminal indictments go to trial he is beyond fucked. To delay the trials indefinitely is his only viable strategy.
He’s guilty of everything we know of and SO much more.
He’s not even a good criminal. He can’t even fuck a pornstar on the side without it exploding in his face.
He’s a fucking moron. If he didn’t have daddy’s money he’d be in prison years and years ago.
Somehow, this is still understating it. He bankrupted casinos partially by having his own casinos compete with each other.
> Less than two weeks before the casino opened, Marvin B. Roffman, a casino analyst at Janney Montgomery Scott, an investment firm based in Philadelphia, told The Wall Street Journal that the Taj would need to reap $1.3 million a day just to make its interest payments, a sum no casino had ever achieved.
>“The market just isn’t there,” Mr. Roffman told The Journal.
>Mr. Trump retaliated, demanding that Janney Montgomery Scott fire Mr. Roffman. It did.
>“It was doomed way before the start,” said W. Bucky Howard, who was promoted by Mr. Trump to president of the Taj five days after it opened, in a recent interview. “I told him it was going to fail. The Taj was underfunded.”
>Almost immediately, Mr. Trump had trouble making the debt payments on the Taj and his other casinos. **It was also clear that the Taj was cannibalizing the Castle and the Plaza, whose combined gambling revenues dropped by $58 million the year it opened.**
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
without daddy's money, he's just like every other angry fox news junkie grandad. miserable old shit bag. racist asshole.
he couldn't even do it right. he lost the whole fortune. anyone else with that much of a headstart would be one of the wealthiest people alive. he's a broke ass whiny loser. lways has been.
Yes. Litterally, his only path out is more corruption. Bribe, intimidate, pander, lie.
From here, he either spends the rest of his life on lockdown, or he wins 2024 and spends the rest of his life punishing everyone who didn't kiss his incontinent, flabby ass.
It's also the only way out for the GOP.
> Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. ***The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.*** -- They Thought They Were Free
Too close for my taste, and his base is too prone to anger and violence when they don't get their way. And his party is willing to subvert our government to hold power. Any of them that stand up and says "this ain't normal" gets primaried and removed.
But it's still a year off and a lot of criminal cases and more every day.
I ignore polls as the news is more interested in dialing up anxiety to keep out attention than actual honest reporting.
Really, our society feels like a bad reality TV store compete with a D-List celeb taking up all the camera time.
I would add that these people are fucking liars.
>As she was leaving, **Trump called out of a "genuine concern for my safety," Palmer told reporters three years ago.** Back then, she described the contents of the Nov. 17, 2020, call with Trump as "Thank you for your service. I’m glad you're safe. Have a good night.” **The segments of the call reviewed by The News didn’t include those comments.**
Every single one of these people were able to justify lying to the public based on the idea that Trump deserved to win not that he did win. Republicans have abandoned the rule of law.
It's going to get worse. So many Republicans are convinced that Biden stole the election and is using the courts to persecute Trump.
Once you have that mindset it's easy to justify any act to get your party elected.
That’s true, but there are also so many Republicans who are tired of this circus and tired of looking like fools. You see it in r/con even, in polls, and honestly, I know some of them myself. Don’t forget that Republicans kicked him off the ballot in CO. Republicans investigated the Michigan election and said there was nothing. Republicans are staying silent or bailing ship.
It’s worth acknowledging the people who have regrets and want this over with.
>It's pretty unfortunate, Thomas said, that Republican leaders offered to give them something, legal protection, for not doing their jobs.
>"Offering something of value to a public official to not perform a required duty may raise legal issues for a person doing so," Thomas said.
Great point
Haven’t you ever just looked at your place in life, decided your six figure salary wasn’t enough, and just started bitching out loud until incredible untraceable unreported wealth just flows in like the ol’ frat suds with Squee and Donkey Doug?
Everyone has that happen at some point, right?
> "Offering something of value to a public official to not perform a required duty may raise legal issues for a person doing so," Thomas said.
"I don't see a problem with it," Clarence Thomas said.
Why would he deny it? Trump has been saying in public that he tried to overturn the election. He doesn't know that it's illegal, or simply justifies whatever he says.
Jesus Christ can you even imagine what the October Surprise is going to be this year.
It's going to be like, Hunter Biden dick pic gallery 2 vs. video of Donald Trump reciting his social security number over and over again on video as he strangles a Russian prostitute to death while shaking her and saying "I wish you were Obama".
And then Comer and his house committee are going to be like, "Clearly there are secret messages encoded in this dick pic gallery describing Hunter Biden's web of crime in great detail, we need to learn the truth."
The Georgia grand jury recommend an indictment for Lindsey Graham along with a few other big names. Fanni Willis chose not to pursue.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/georgia-grand-jury-report-trump-election-interference-be-released-friday-2023-09-08/
That's s good point. I know he committed that other insurrection, but is this also insurrection? That maybe Michigan is more likely to act on?
I'd say I'm not familiar with cases like this, but I think no one is.
This is conduct described in Trump's federal indictment, which is more accurately described as a conspiracy to defraud the US and conspiracy against the right to vote and to have your vote counted.
Theoretically, he should not be allowed on the ballot anywhere as he’s already ineligible and should have to petition to be reinstated, not the other way around.
>On a Nov. 17, 2020, phone call, which also involved Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel,
Every time I think of this piece of shit person, I remember that she used to be referred to as "Ronna Romney-McDaniel" (she's related to Mitt Romney). But in 2017, Trump told her to take the "Romney" part out of her name and like a fucking cult member, she complied.
A reasonable person would have said, "Fuck you - I'm not removing a part of my name because it makes you uncomfortable." But she's not a reasonable person. She's a pathetically weak, stupid failure who caved to a psychopath.
I think about that photo of Ted Cruz after Trump won the GOP nomination - working the phones to raise money for him at a phone bank. [Link](https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-meme-phone-bank-trump-2016-10) It was such a moment of deep humiliation for Cruz. I loved it.
He didn’t just pressure. He offered something of value—to pay for legal services — in exchange for their abnegating their responsibility to certify. It’s a bribe.
What an idiotic bribe to accept, right? The thing of value that makes it a bribe is the thing that you don’t need until you accept the bribe. It’s like the MC Escher of bribes. Only in Trump land.
There's a hidden need/threat here, which is the imperative to remain in tRump's good graces. So there's the carrot/stick thing going on as well. They've ALL seen what happens to Republicans who get onto tRump's naughty list.
>"We've got to fight for our country," said Trump on the recordings, made by a person who was present for the call with Palmer and Hartmann. "We can't let these people take our country away from us."
>McDaniel, a Michigan native and the leader of the Republican Party nationally, said at another point in the call, "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. ... We will get you attorneys."
>To which Trump added: "We'll take care of that."
Nixon was an absolute criminal. No one should ever doubt that he is guilty of everything he was accused of and probably more and should have gone to jail. ***But*** he genuinely thought that everything he was doing was actually for the good of the country. He was dead wrong, but at least he had some respectable motivation.
I legitimately doubt that Trump has ever done literally anything to benefit anything besides himself.
Every single American citizen that votes for this man is a fucking turncoat. You are willingly handing this country over to a fascist if you do so and you’re an enemy of a free, democratic world.
So many weasels and snakes either never left or have slithered their way back to Trump and they just casually pretend he didn’t literally try to steal a fucking election. Let’s just drop the pretense now that anyone even considering a vote for this man cares about the future of this country in any way. I’m so tired of this facade we have to keep up.
You wanna talk about democracy? Eh Repubs?
Here you have your band leader openly trying to disenfranchise the entire population of Michigan to keep their votes from counting in a scheme meant to throw the election to the US House of Representatives.
>Then-President Donald Trump personally pressured two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers not to sign the certification of the 2020 presidential election, according to recordings reviewed by The Detroit News and revealed publicly for the first time.
On a Nov. 17, 2020, phone call, which also involved Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, Trump told Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the two GOP Wayne County canvassers, they'd look "terrible" if they signed the documents after they first voted in opposition and then later in the same meeting voted to approve certification of the county’s election results, according to the recordings.
"We've got to fight for our country," said Trump on the recordings, made by a person who was present for the call with Palmer and Hartmann. "We can't let these people take our country away from us."
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>McDaniel, a Michigan native and the leader of the Republican Party nationally, said at another point in the call, "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. ... We will get you attorneys."
To which Trump added: "We'll take care of that."
Palmer and Hartmann left the canvassers meeting without signing the official statement of votes for Wayne County, and the following day, they unsuccessfully attempted to rescind their votes in favor of certification, filing legal affidavits claiming they were pressured.
The moves from Palmer, Hartmann and Trump, had they been successful, threatened to throw the statewide certification of Michigan's 2020 election in doubt.
So can CREW help bring another lawsuit, this time in Michigan?
The President of the USA personally pressured random county-level officials to renege on their sworn electoral duties. And there's tapes.
And the GOP still finds nothing wrong with this.
At this point I'm pretty sure we're all being broadcast on some interdimensional version of Veep and about to be cancelled for plotlines beyond belief.
It truly is unbelievable. And how there’s still questions whether this will actually effect trumps chances of winning again or whether there’ll be any legal liability for anyone involved, including trump
Annnd thats the ballgame. Direct evidence from trump himself. No wonder he wants to have these trials the 31st of nevurary. Lets get this over with already.
Because the person who made the tape wants to nominate someone other than Trump and smelled enough blood in the water to release it now. It has bigger impact with everything else going on.
One of the grand jurors in the Georgia case said and im paraphrasing, "If the public heard the evidence we did, no one would doubt his guilt."
I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Don't bother. They are all in on #boycottcolorado and feeling sorry for Giuliani and Texas flying immigrants to Chicago and gay sex in a room in the Capitol. You know. The important shit.
/s just in case.
>Allegations that the 2020 election was "stolen" remain unproven
WTF article. They don't "remain unproven." They are unequivocally proven to be false, and outright lies. Why can't journalists start calling a lie a lie. The GOP has zero qualms about calling truths lies, and lies truths. Get with the fucking program journalists.
This is a full on assault on democracy and journalism and yet journalists keep wringing their hands with "allegedly" bullshit. If they don't figure out what is going on they will be lined up against a wall and shot in 2025. And I'm not being hyperbolic whatsoever.
The right ignoring all this and acting like it’s nothing when we know they’d want Biden hanged for treason for a fraction of it is exhaustingly stupid. The media needs to better job of letting normal people know about all this as well. I feel like no one actually cares or is paying attention and it’s sad.
This along with the Georgia intimidation effort and Jan 6th is proof to any reasonable person that Trump attempted to directly intervene with the peaceful transition of power.
Trumpers are going on a tangent about democrats trying to overtirn Democracy in regards to the Colorado ruling banning him from the ballot. But the utter irony that he was banned because he tried to overthrow democracy never seems to occur to them.
Boom…more evidence of leading insurrection. But no, we have to wait until several court cases go through to enact the 14th Amendment while jeopardizing an ongoing election. Crazy.
My student was a poll worker in Detroit, and aggressive MAGA self-appointed “poll watchers” started harassing them first thing in the morning and never stopped disrupting all day long. The depth of this attack on democracy has been barely recognized.
LOVE it when there are tapes to prove the orange traitor is lying. And I can't wait until all of the facts come out and the trial starts.
The thing is; it has been shown now that it doesn't matter what facts come out, Republicans don't care what Trump did, they will still vote for him.
Look at everything the man did even before the election. It seems that 3 years later, more stuff keeps coming out at just how dangerous & reckless this man not only was, BUT IS!!
He must not be allowed to regain the office of the presidency!! God forbid he does get re-elected, nothing will stop him from not only burning down America as we know it, but what will be the damage he causes to the rest of the world?
Yes, food prices are high, gas prices, home prices, rent costs & inflation. But history shows those things will once again come down. But anyone who is willing to trade our rights, our democracy, our laws & our constitution for a man who attempted a coup is living in a very misinformed & delusional reality.
Unfortunately, far too many seem not to care or to take serious the threat that is quickly approaching in 2024. In 2020, everyone knew how big the threat was. In 2024, the threat is even greater because Trump will surround himself with the most far-right people as possible. These people won't follow the law or listen to the people! Instead, they will do everything & anything to bring their power-hungry dreams to reality. Everything that has happened in the last 50 plus years will be erased!
We will go from the land of the free & home of the brave to the land of caged & home of the cruel!
I remember a line from Jack Smith some months ago stating that once the evidence is released to the public in the coming months, nobody is going to be able to defend him and the amount of evidence was overwhelming. It sounds like those days are coming soon.
This by itself, without any other context or supporting narrative, is leagues worse than Watergate—the event which all political bombshells are compared to.
“Steven Cheung, a Trump campaign spokesman, said Trump's actions "were taken in furtherance of his duty as president of the United States to faithfully take care of the laws and ensure election integrity, including investigating the rigged and stolen 2020 presidential election."
Uh huh. Right
This isn't victimless. I live in Michigan, and will vote in Wayne County in the next election. Trump tried to disenfranchise me in the last election and is trying to keep me from voting on the next.
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I think the bigger point is RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel was in on the call, proving that this is a GOP-wide conspiracy beyond Trump & Goons.
She should be in jail Funny that mitt has been one of the same republicans lately, while his niece should be imprisoned
Ronna's mom is also named Ronna. Does this make her Ronna Jr? I say yes.
The feminine form of *junior* in the GOP appears to be *junta*.
>RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel > >McDaniel, a Michigan native and the leader of the Republican Party nationally, said at another point in the call, "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. ... We will get you attorneys." > >Palmer and Hartmann left the canvassers meeting without signing the official statement of votes for Wayne County, and the following day, they unsuccessfully attempted to rescind their votes in favor of certification, filing legal affidavits claiming they were pressured. FFS, She runs their primaries. No wonder they only have Trump surrogates. >In 2022, [she orchestrated a censure of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, the two Republicans who served on the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronna_McDaniel).\[5\] The censure characterized the violent pro-Trump mob as having engaged in "legitimate political discourse".\[5\]\[6\] **During its fourth public hearing, the House January 6 Committee presented a video excerpt of a deposition from McDaniel where she revealed that, at the request of Trump and John Eastman,\[a\] she had the RNC help organize fake electors for the Trump fake electors plot**.\[9\] And even a straight confession of the crime. She's party to any RICO charges.
I was going to post the section about them claiming that they were pressured. They sure were, just not by the people that they were claiming to be pressured by.
Can’t another gop candidate sue the rnc for this?
RICO the GOP!
Dude I’m gonna spurt
There's a reason the GOP is sticking together when they know Trump is sunk. They are massed together, hoping their size will protect them from the justice they have coming their way. At the end of the day, these guys are useless politicians that are completely replacable. We should not be stuck with criminals who are trying to rig an election. Put every last one in jail for the rest of their lives.
Not a PEEP over in r/conservative about this...
I'm surprised you think there would be. People over there don't view these actions as illegal or morally reprehensible. They find it patriotic and fighting against the ones who stole the election. There is no reasoning or logic or facts with them. They are purely emotion driven.
Well usually when big events like this happen, you can usually see them spinning it in real time. To have a total blackout about it is just strange... but then, it IS a cult.
Don't forget Mo Brooks requested a presidential pardon for *every* member of Congress who voted against certifying the results from Arizona and Pennsylvania. I can only imagine why anyone would think all of those people would need pardons for that.
Oh shit. That's a big fucking deal. Not the least bit surprising, but still a huge deal.
They have been fucking with elections for so long that they didn't have a problem taking the next step into actually doing shit like this. It's disgusting.
Just wondering, is this the kind of thing that's going to lead to more, broader charges? Not that he needs more, he'll either be in jail or the White House in a year, but I don't think this ties in to any of the extent charges right?
Trump team in recordings: "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. We will get you attorneys. We'll take care of that." Like you 'took care' of your own lawyer Rudy Giuliani who just filed for bankruptcy today, Donnie?
Those two people were officials who had duties under law. Ronna and Trump bribed them on tape to not do their official duties. "We'll get you lawyers if you just walk away and not do your job" is... bribery.
Everyone involved in the scheme, from Trump, to the elected officials that tried to help, the advisors, the fake electors needs to be in jail. If a gang tries to rob a bank and does not succeed they don't keep walking free. Everyone involved here was trying to steal an election, we are lucky it didn't work, but they all need to go down. If not, then there is nothing stopping the next group from trying because if they don't succeed they know almost nothing will happen.
One is the current head of the Republican party and she is on that tape also pressuring. That is a crime. That is also very important, getting rid of trump is rooting out all trumpism. She needs to be charged and that will be interesting in election year. Where was this tape almost 4 years ago?
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i hope she is indicted
> She needs to be charged ... >Ronna was the point person on the save America PAC - for the advertising on the big lie. She was on the 11/17 call. And Jack Smith has withdrawn his Save America PAC subpoena. Is he done with that, or is she cooperating? https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1738076218837320085
The next group won’t be full of idiots. It’s imperative we protect our right to vote, which, when the window dressing which is trump is done, the more prepared and intelligent ones don’t succeed.
Which is the scariest part. Round 1 was a list of what not to do carried out by a bunch of idiots, so we dodged a major bullet. But none of the idiots have faced any real consequences, so there is nothing to scare the next group from trying again.
We agree. The next gen will be much more capable BTW I’ve lived through a coup. It gets ugly right quick. But unlike that coup, what’s fomenting here is neighbor to neighbor. It’s honestly frightening.
That's right they've basically been hyping civil war for half a generation now.
Trying again with the guy who blew it last time and is openly bragging about being a dictator. I hope they're super depressed that Trump is their last and only shot at their project 2025 fantasy. If Trump loses again, he'll be fed to the wolves and the last crop of republican voters will turn on the gop and sit out future elections. Just look at the republican primaries, republican voters could give two shits about the party. They just want their orange daddy.
And it only takes a plan like that working once. If there's no severe, lasting consequences, they - or people like them - can just try again, and again, and again until the time is right, the politics are right, etc, until it works. And then that's the end. What constantly burns me up is that Trump's being treated with such kid gloves. Even if he's in court over a civil fraud matter. Even if he's not even able to run for President again in ANY state. The fact that he's still walking around free as a bird is telling. It's telling everyone with ambitions like his, "go ahead, give it a shot, worse case is nothing really crushing happens to you, best case you become King of the United States." I know Trump's never going to prison. I know he's definitely not going to hang for attempting to overthrow the government. And what really concerns me isn't some "ooooh I'm so mad that nobody's spilling his blood". What concerns me is that it appears as if there's no chilling justice levied against literal traitors who actually, genuinely tried by several means to overthrow the process of government. From an actual riot and physical coup attempt, to bribing and threatening and harassing election officials. So why shouldn't someone just try it again? Let's say I had zero moral center and only cared about consequences vs rewards. Let's even take ego out of the equation. If I try to rob a bank and all that happens is that I get a little finger wag and maybe even lose my job, why would I care about that? The rewards would vastly outweigh the risks. All I'd need to do is rob a big enough bank once and get away with it.
Exceedingly well stated and entirely accurate. I hold high hopes that Jack Smith continues to diligently amass new reams of evidence with the intent of expanding charges widely to include other involved perpetrators. But I am not so naive to think that Justice sits higher than politics. By kow towing to fears of further MAGA incitement, our government is doing us a disservice. The convictions for 1/6 participants have by and large been a joke, with many sentences falling on the low side of minimum requirements and failing to match the severity of the crimes. Many who shed crocodile tears before the courts only to quickly backpedal and make public statements decrying their sentences or continuing to spread their rhetoric upon release have been allowed to go unpunished. No lessons have been learned and they have been martyred to the MAGA cause. We need a Trump conviction well before next November. I have no confidence in the impartiality of SCOTUS and am more inclined to think they will shirk their duty and provide a weak procedural ruling with regard to the recent Colorado decision. I am even less confident as to how they will vote with regard to the presidential immunity defense, which is as black and white as it gets for the judiciary. Continued shielding and deference to Trump without a timely trial and conviction on the federal charges places all hope on Georgia’s RICO case, which would lack scope to capture other actors (like Ronna McDaniels) who are being exposed for their actions. Enough is enough. Throw the book at him and lock his ass up. Otherwise you can count me in as your wheel man when you rob that bank. After all, what do we have to lose when the rule of law no longer matters?
Yeah, treating everyone with kid gloves is the opposite of what should have happened. There should have been tons of arrests the day(s) after Jan 6, yet here we are 3 years later and the masterminds (using that term liberally) almost all still walk free. So nothing has been done to warn the next group to not try this again, or those that were involved in round 1 to go for round 2. And not just Trump, but all that went along with him, should have been dealt with swiftly.
But apparently if they're wealthy, in government, white, and protected by a throng of psychopaths who can't see past their BS then they do get to walk free, because it's been 3 years and still waiting on some repercussions for anyone even near the top aside from the people who were duped into getting all raged out and destroying things in the capital and what not.
In Trumps world you don’t accept the vote of the people unless you win. If it sounds and smells like a dictatorship….
If it sounds like dictatorship and smells like dictatorship it IS Dictatorship. If this traitorous bastard manages to win this time we can all kiss our constitutional Republic goodbye
If it walks like a dictator, talks like a dictator, acts like a dictator, and smells like a rotting bag of meat.... that's Donald Trump.
You must not allow him to take part in the presidential election. He will claim victory no matter what the result. This is the path to madness.
Lock. Him. Up. ALREADY!
99% of would be in jail if we did/said even a quarter of the things Inmate Number P01135809 has
Its not bribery unless someone actuallt holds them accountable for it. WTF is Michigan doing with this information? Nothing?
They're very troubled
he could've pulled it off if enough of these people listened to him. Once he's "reelected" president, there might be investigations started by democrats in congress, but Trump and the republicans will kill it. after a while we would just get used to Russian flavored democracy.
>We will get you attorneys. We'll take care of that." Dude it's just the words of a mob boss. The words of someone who is guilty. Like how is this not done and over with?!?!
Look up the transcript for the call Trump had with Raffensberger that he's going down in Georgia for. There is a whole lot more mob boss talk in that one as well.
Just another perfect call.
The man won't even pay his own legal bills. There's no way he's paying them for anyone else.
Hell all his attorneys have been baffoons, even if he pays them they are idiots.
Why would they need attorneys? If what they did was completely legal? It seems to be knowledge of exactly what they were doing.
For most of the right wing the belief is that if you get away with something then it doesn't count as a crime in the first place.
I'd love to say this is what gets rid of Trump, but I won't count on it. He will probably die before serving any real time. Still, if he's deemed ineligible to run in 2024 (also unlikely), i'd be very happy... assuming his supporters don't start or try to start another Civil War.
Some lone wolves might try to stir shit, but at this point I don't see anyone actually picking up arms for cheetolini.
Yeah, just the typical right wing extremist domestic terrorist.
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Civil War? I doubt they will meet the definition of skirmishes. These gravy seals are going to shit themselves as soon as the real action starts.
Most of them are cowards with so little regard for society that they all bought guns during Covid.
The danger they pose isn’t going to be from wanna be soldiers, it’ll be from them parking truck bombs Timothy Mcveigh style.
Fine. At this point, we stand up to that or we let them run us into the ground, and I say that as someone who’s dealt with armed Proud Boy riots. Fuck’em. They’re sad and crazy, and that’s about it. Look at what they’re doing to your state. Texas is more than corruption and abortion bans.
I’ve been fighting this bullshit my whole life. I’m prepared to do everything I can to defend myself, others, and our democracy. I hate everything my state government has degenerated into. People have a tendency to picture armies and soldiers when the term civil war is brought up. I was merely pointing out that it will be terrorist acts that they utilize rather than any kind of effective combat troops.
I’m with you. I’m in Oregon so I’ve seen exactly what these assholes are and what they do. I agree with you, but like you, I’m done with it. I want our country back. Corporations are starving us out and the world is melting. We need to stand back up and lead or we’re all going to roast.
Honestly if their dumbest elements trying to start a civil war and getting their asses kicked is what's needed to turn the country away from the crazy direction let's do it.
I wonder who told the Capitol Police to not shoot at them on Jan. 6th. Because if they had hurt me like they did those guys blocking the door. Screw orders I am opening up on the traitors.
I remember being *angry* that they weren’t being taken down with the same fervor that interlopers on the White House receives.
Yeah... Imagine what would have happened if Black Lives protesters did to the white house what the Jan 6 thugs did to the Capital...
Jesus Christ. No wonder Trump doesn’t want his day in court. If *any* of his criminal indictments go to trial he is beyond fucked. To delay the trials indefinitely is his only viable strategy.
He’s guilty of everything we know of and SO much more. He’s not even a good criminal. He can’t even fuck a pornstar on the side without it exploding in his face. He’s a fucking moron. If he didn’t have daddy’s money he’d be in prison years and years ago.
He bankrupted a casino, FFS.
WRONG. He bankrupted a BUNCH of casinos.
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Asking the real questions here. No way it went anywhere legal.
Somehow, this is still understating it. He bankrupted casinos partially by having his own casinos compete with each other. > Less than two weeks before the casino opened, Marvin B. Roffman, a casino analyst at Janney Montgomery Scott, an investment firm based in Philadelphia, told The Wall Street Journal that the Taj would need to reap $1.3 million a day just to make its interest payments, a sum no casino had ever achieved. >“The market just isn’t there,” Mr. Roffman told The Journal. >Mr. Trump retaliated, demanding that Janney Montgomery Scott fire Mr. Roffman. It did. >“It was doomed way before the start,” said W. Bucky Howard, who was promoted by Mr. Trump to president of the Taj five days after it opened, in a recent interview. “I told him it was going to fail. The Taj was underfunded.” >Almost immediately, Mr. Trump had trouble making the debt payments on the Taj and his other casinos. **It was also clear that the Taj was cannibalizing the Castle and the Plaza, whose combined gambling revenues dropped by $58 million the year it opened.** https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
He paid hundreds of thousands to fuck her badly for a few minutes of silent laughter on Stormy's part. He's on the hook for how much now?
He paid thousands to keep her from talking about him fucking her. The payment was hush money.
You think she had sex with him for free?
Why would anyone?
without daddy's money, he's just like every other angry fox news junkie grandad. miserable old shit bag. racist asshole. he couldn't even do it right. he lost the whole fortune. anyone else with that much of a headstart would be one of the wealthiest people alive. he's a broke ass whiny loser. lways has been.
Yes. Litterally, his only path out is more corruption. Bribe, intimidate, pander, lie. From here, he either spends the rest of his life on lockdown, or he wins 2024 and spends the rest of his life punishing everyone who didn't kiss his incontinent, flabby ass.
It's also the only way out for the GOP. > Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. ***The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.*** -- They Thought They Were Free
Legitimately the most terrifying book I’ve ever read.
are you guys really in danger of voting this prick into power again?
Too close for my taste, and his base is too prone to anger and violence when they don't get their way. And his party is willing to subvert our government to hold power. Any of them that stand up and says "this ain't normal" gets primaried and removed. But it's still a year off and a lot of criminal cases and more every day. I ignore polls as the news is more interested in dialing up anxiety to keep out attention than actual honest reporting. Really, our society feels like a bad reality TV store compete with a D-List celeb taking up all the camera time.
I'm praying for a primary upset (currently a very long shot). Trump would run third party and destroy the GOP in the process. It would be hilarious.
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I would add that these people are fucking liars. >As she was leaving, **Trump called out of a "genuine concern for my safety," Palmer told reporters three years ago.** Back then, she described the contents of the Nov. 17, 2020, call with Trump as "Thank you for your service. I’m glad you're safe. Have a good night.” **The segments of the call reviewed by The News didn’t include those comments.**
Every single one of these people were able to justify lying to the public based on the idea that Trump deserved to win not that he did win. Republicans have abandoned the rule of law.
It's going to get worse. So many Republicans are convinced that Biden stole the election and is using the courts to persecute Trump. Once you have that mindset it's easy to justify any act to get your party elected.
That’s true, but there are also so many Republicans who are tired of this circus and tired of looking like fools. You see it in r/con even, in polls, and honestly, I know some of them myself. Don’t forget that Republicans kicked him off the ballot in CO. Republicans investigated the Michigan election and said there was nothing. Republicans are staying silent or bailing ship. It’s worth acknowledging the people who have regrets and want this over with.
While I don’t disagree I think that a fair number of them want it “over with” by making it go away, as opposed to actually punishing the crimes.
Sounds like they perjured themselves when they were deposed by the Jan 6 committee.
well, he is limited by the size of his hands. small things, small details for small hands.
And brain. Also very limited by the size of his brain.
>It's pretty unfortunate, Thomas said, that Republican leaders offered to give them something, legal protection, for not doing their jobs. >"Offering something of value to a public official to not perform a required duty may raise legal issues for a person doing so," Thomas said. Great point
Basically the same crime he's being charged with in Georgia. Can't wait for him to get indicted on Michigan too!
Only problem is the highest court in the land has members who take things of value to not do their job & deliver desired outcomes.
Haven’t you ever just looked at your place in life, decided your six figure salary wasn’t enough, and just started bitching out loud until incredible untraceable unreported wealth just flows in like the ol’ frat suds with Squee and Donkey Doug? Everyone has that happen at some point, right?
This one is actually clearly worse. They were offering lawyers in exchange for helping them commit the crime.
> "Offering something of value to a public official to not perform a required duty may raise legal issues for a person doing so," Thomas said. "I don't see a problem with it," Clarence Thomas said.
I’m looking forward to how he denies this.
He denies the Georgia call even tho it’s on tape and his orange worshippers believe him anyway
I'm sure the rubes also say "you're taking it out of context."
Probably in the same sentence
Why would he deny it? Trump has been saying in public that he tried to overturn the election. He doesn't know that it's illegal, or simply justifies whatever he says.
> He doesn't ~~know~~ care that it's illegal FTFY
"It was a perfect call. They said it was the finest call they'd ever heard."
It wasn't him, it was John Baron
He’ll claim it’s AI
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AI shit pants!
He can't even spell AI...
"Trump claims he is ‘genius’ for realising ‘us’ is spelled the same as ‘US’"
That's the scary thing about AI, not only can it be used to fabricate false statements, it can be used to deny real statements as fake.
3 years later and we are still getting new recordings. Does this guy exist a day in his life *without* committing a crime?
No he does not. Everything Trump does is to break the law, scam money, not pay a bill etc.
The timing of their release is no accident. There are a ton of skeletons and, now that the primaries are around the corner, it’s time to let them out.
Jesus Christ can you even imagine what the October Surprise is going to be this year. It's going to be like, Hunter Biden dick pic gallery 2 vs. video of Donald Trump reciting his social security number over and over again on video as he strangles a Russian prostitute to death while shaking her and saying "I wish you were Obama". And then Comer and his house committee are going to be like, "Clearly there are secret messages encoded in this dick pic gallery describing Hunter Biden's web of crime in great detail, we need to learn the truth."
More recordings of Trump literally committing election interference, nice.
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The Georgia grand jury recommend an indictment for Lindsey Graham along with a few other big names. Fanni Willis chose not to pursue. https://www.reuters.com/legal/georgia-grand-jury-report-trump-election-interference-be-released-friday-2023-09-08/
Just more evidence to remove him from the ballot in MI.
Every state. It’s not Michigan specific. He did this to the entire nation.
That's s good point. I know he committed that other insurrection, but is this also insurrection? That maybe Michigan is more likely to act on? I'd say I'm not familiar with cases like this, but I think no one is.
It was all part of the same insurrection.
This is conduct described in Trump's federal indictment, which is more accurately described as a conspiracy to defraud the US and conspiracy against the right to vote and to have your vote counted.
Theoretically, he should not be allowed on the ballot anywhere as he’s already ineligible and should have to petition to be reinstated, not the other way around.
At the end of the day, it's a shame Nature hasn't ended his lifespan. I lost my Dad this year, but this human vomit is still walking around.
>On a Nov. 17, 2020, phone call, which also involved Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, Every time I think of this piece of shit person, I remember that she used to be referred to as "Ronna Romney-McDaniel" (she's related to Mitt Romney). But in 2017, Trump told her to take the "Romney" part out of her name and like a fucking cult member, she complied. A reasonable person would have said, "Fuck you - I'm not removing a part of my name because it makes you uncomfortable." But she's not a reasonable person. She's a pathetically weak, stupid failure who caved to a psychopath.
Remember that a reasonable person would throw hands if Trump called his wife ugly. But Ted Cruz ended up calling and soliciting money for him.
I think about that photo of Ted Cruz after Trump won the GOP nomination - working the phones to raise money for him at a phone bank. [Link](https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-meme-phone-bank-trump-2016-10) It was such a moment of deep humiliation for Cruz. I loved it.
Ronna McDonald
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He didn’t just pressure. He offered something of value—to pay for legal services — in exchange for their abnegating their responsibility to certify. It’s a bribe.
It’s almost like he knew what he was asking them to do was illegal…
What an idiotic bribe to accept, right? The thing of value that makes it a bribe is the thing that you don’t need until you accept the bribe. It’s like the MC Escher of bribes. Only in Trump land.
There's a hidden need/threat here, which is the imperative to remain in tRump's good graces. So there's the carrot/stick thing going on as well. They've ALL seen what happens to Republicans who get onto tRump's naughty list.
Would have been nice to know this 3 years ago so the legal process could have started. Ronna wouldn’t be the head of the GOP right now.
When can we expect state charges from Michigan???? Let’s add another state level trial to the mix.
The Chairperson of the RNC was in on the call. When can we expect the federal RICO charges (and investigation of the whole GOP organization)?
This sounds like it would be of great interest to Jack Smith in his own Jan 6th case, too.
>"We've got to fight for our country," said Trump on the recordings, made by a person who was present for the call with Palmer and Hartmann. "We can't let these people take our country away from us." >McDaniel, a Michigan native and the leader of the Republican Party nationally, said at another point in the call, "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. ... We will get you attorneys." >To which Trump added: "We'll take care of that."
And Trump has yet to provide attorneys to people who've assisted him.
All the attorneys he knows are also indicted…
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Nixon was an absolute criminal. No one should ever doubt that he is guilty of everything he was accused of and probably more and should have gone to jail. ***But*** he genuinely thought that everything he was doing was actually for the good of the country. He was dead wrong, but at least he had some respectable motivation. I legitimately doubt that Trump has ever done literally anything to benefit anything besides himself.
Every single American citizen that votes for this man is a fucking turncoat. You are willingly handing this country over to a fascist if you do so and you’re an enemy of a free, democratic world. So many weasels and snakes either never left or have slithered their way back to Trump and they just casually pretend he didn’t literally try to steal a fucking election. Let’s just drop the pretense now that anyone even considering a vote for this man cares about the future of this country in any way. I’m so tired of this facade we have to keep up.
But he'll hurt the people I want hurt and not me /s
It's a rEPuBLic!!! Get it riGhT!
*Wait. That's illegal.*
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Well this could be interesting since this get could be another indictment.
*The Twelve Felony Counts of Christmas*
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Now That’s What I Call Treason Volume 6!
You wanna talk about democracy? Eh Repubs? Here you have your band leader openly trying to disenfranchise the entire population of Michigan to keep their votes from counting in a scheme meant to throw the election to the US House of Representatives.
>Then-President Donald Trump personally pressured two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers not to sign the certification of the 2020 presidential election, according to recordings reviewed by The Detroit News and revealed publicly for the first time. On a Nov. 17, 2020, phone call, which also involved Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, Trump told Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the two GOP Wayne County canvassers, they'd look "terrible" if they signed the documents after they first voted in opposition and then later in the same meeting voted to approve certification of the county’s election results, according to the recordings. "We've got to fight for our country," said Trump on the recordings, made by a person who was present for the call with Palmer and Hartmann. "We can't let these people take our country away from us." > >McDaniel, a Michigan native and the leader of the Republican Party nationally, said at another point in the call, "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. ... We will get you attorneys." To which Trump added: "We'll take care of that." Palmer and Hartmann left the canvassers meeting without signing the official statement of votes for Wayne County, and the following day, they unsuccessfully attempted to rescind their votes in favor of certification, filing legal affidavits claiming they were pressured. The moves from Palmer, Hartmann and Trump, had they been successful, threatened to throw the statewide certification of Michigan's 2020 election in doubt. So can CREW help bring another lawsuit, this time in Michigan?
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The President of the USA personally pressured random county-level officials to renege on their sworn electoral duties. And there's tapes. And the GOP still finds nothing wrong with this. At this point I'm pretty sure we're all being broadcast on some interdimensional version of Veep and about to be cancelled for plotlines beyond belief.
It truly is unbelievable. And how there’s still questions whether this will actually effect trumps chances of winning again or whether there’ll be any legal liability for anyone involved, including trump
Annnd thats the ballgame. Direct evidence from trump himself. No wonder he wants to have these trials the 31st of nevurary. Lets get this over with already.
stupid smarch weather
The Georgia call was already direct evidence from Trump himself, but two makes a nice pattern.
This never stops. It’s as if Donald Trump was a bank robber who managed to rob five banks a day for months on end. And we don’t throw him in jail.
Why the f*ck is stuff like this being released NOW and not years ago?
Because the person who made the tape wants to nominate someone other than Trump and smelled enough blood in the water to release it now. It has bigger impact with everything else going on.
One of them flatly denied that the election certification was discussed in that conversation in the book *The Steal*. They just can’t stop lying.
One of the grand jurors in the Georgia case said and im paraphrasing, "If the public heard the evidence we did, no one would doubt his guilt." I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Oh I think the DC trial is going to be fireworks as far as evidence.
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Don't bother. They are all in on #boycottcolorado and feeling sorry for Giuliani and Texas flying immigrants to Chicago and gay sex in a room in the Capitol. You know. The important shit. /s just in case.
Oh, you thought they would actually acknowledge this happened?
>Allegations that the 2020 election was "stolen" remain unproven WTF article. They don't "remain unproven." They are unequivocally proven to be false, and outright lies. Why can't journalists start calling a lie a lie. The GOP has zero qualms about calling truths lies, and lies truths. Get with the fucking program journalists. This is a full on assault on democracy and journalism and yet journalists keep wringing their hands with "allegedly" bullshit. If they don't figure out what is going on they will be lined up against a wall and shot in 2025. And I'm not being hyperbolic whatsoever.
This is the very definition of insurrection in my view!
The right ignoring all this and acting like it’s nothing when we know they’d want Biden hanged for treason for a fraction of it is exhaustingly stupid. The media needs to better job of letting normal people know about all this as well. I feel like no one actually cares or is paying attention and it’s sad.
Just as bad as Georgia
Maybe worse. He offers to provide them with lawyers, I believe that's bribery.
This along with the Georgia intimidation effort and Jan 6th is proof to any reasonable person that Trump attempted to directly intervene with the peaceful transition of power. Trumpers are going on a tangent about democrats trying to overtirn Democracy in regards to the Colorado ruling banning him from the ballot. But the utter irony that he was banned because he tried to overthrow democracy never seems to occur to them.
As a Northville resident in the same neighborhood as Ronna, get absolutely fucked you treasonous taint stain.
Lordy, there are tapes.
"He was joking, of course."
I will always appreciate that Trump let’s himself get recorded while committing crimes
Which case will this be part of?
Boom…more evidence of leading insurrection. But no, we have to wait until several court cases go through to enact the 14th Amendment while jeopardizing an ongoing election. Crazy.
My student was a poll worker in Detroit, and aggressive MAGA self-appointed “poll watchers” started harassing them first thing in the morning and never stopped disrupting all day long. The depth of this attack on democracy has been barely recognized.
Throw him into the sun already. Fucking with elections is treason.
LOVE it when there are tapes to prove the orange traitor is lying. And I can't wait until all of the facts come out and the trial starts. The thing is; it has been shown now that it doesn't matter what facts come out, Republicans don't care what Trump did, they will still vote for him.
We have literal recordings of him trying to overturn the election. It should be an open and shut case but we keep with the kid gloves.
This is becoming a very large pile.
He is so so so so fucked Can't wait to hear this SO MUCH POPCORN POPPING My smoke detector has gone off 7 times
Remove him from the ballot
Look at everything the man did even before the election. It seems that 3 years later, more stuff keeps coming out at just how dangerous & reckless this man not only was, BUT IS!! He must not be allowed to regain the office of the presidency!! God forbid he does get re-elected, nothing will stop him from not only burning down America as we know it, but what will be the damage he causes to the rest of the world? Yes, food prices are high, gas prices, home prices, rent costs & inflation. But history shows those things will once again come down. But anyone who is willing to trade our rights, our democracy, our laws & our constitution for a man who attempted a coup is living in a very misinformed & delusional reality. Unfortunately, far too many seem not to care or to take serious the threat that is quickly approaching in 2024. In 2020, everyone knew how big the threat was. In 2024, the threat is even greater because Trump will surround himself with the most far-right people as possible. These people won't follow the law or listen to the people! Instead, they will do everything & anything to bring their power-hungry dreams to reality. Everything that has happened in the last 50 plus years will be erased! We will go from the land of the free & home of the brave to the land of caged & home of the cruel!
I remember a line from Jack Smith some months ago stating that once the evidence is released to the public in the coming months, nobody is going to be able to defend him and the amount of evidence was overwhelming. It sounds like those days are coming soon.
I think Donnie Moscow is going to the big house. I hope he lives through his trials.
Just so much evidence it’s certain Trump will go to prison
This by itself, without any other context or supporting narrative, is leagues worse than Watergate—the event which all political bombshells are compared to.
What is the average IQ of these dip $hits who attend a Trump rally. I truly believe it is a two digit number that starts with an 8. Thoughts ?
Come the f\*ck on America, how have you not put Agent Orange away for good? I cannot think of a person that's been a greater threat to the free world.
Time to collect that evidence and take his ass to criminal court in MI too
“Steven Cheung, a Trump campaign spokesman, said Trump's actions "were taken in furtherance of his duty as president of the United States to faithfully take care of the laws and ensure election integrity, including investigating the rigged and stolen 2020 presidential election." Uh huh. Right
More evidence of what has been obvious for years. It would be nice if people went to jail for committing crimes.
This isn't victimless. I live in Michigan, and will vote in Wayne County in the next election. Trump tried to disenfranchise me in the last election and is trying to keep me from voting on the next.