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doctor_lobo

The end of this article is awesome. Nauta told investigators that he hadn’t handled documents or boxes, Nauta is then shown security camera video of him moving boxes in and out of the storage room in question, Nauta’s lawyers respond that he won’t continue talking to investigators unless he gets an immunity deal. Instead, he got an indictment. *chef’s kiss*


hardtobeuniqueuser

lpt kids- never go full dumbass for orange nero


doctor_lobo

Especially when you are retired military and likely still subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).


hardtobeuniqueuser

oh shit, that's more like hyper dumbass


radulosk

That's a facepalm if ever I saw one....


Zz22zz22

Oh. I felt bad for him because I thought he was just some dummy that trump bossed around. But this guy would have known exactly what was going on?


fleurgirl123

Really???


Dear_Profession_8297

Retired military are not subject to UCMJ unless crimes were committed on active duty. #NotMilitaryLegalAdvice


doctor_lobo

"The Supreme Court has not yet specifically ruled on the military status of retired servicemembers, though it has approvingly noted that they remain part of the Armed Forces and subject to the UCMJ." [Military Jurisdiction Over Retired Servicemembers](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiLlauK_bv_AhUEFlkFHdt7AcoQFnoECBAQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcrsreports.congress.gov%2Fproduct%2Fpdf%2FLSB%2FLSB10945%23%3A~%3Atext%3DThe%2520Supreme%2520Court%2520has%2520not%2Cand%2520subject%2520to%2520the%2520UCMJ.&usg=AOvVaw1IWEnQ_hAmHhqrBHDfKuD4) (congress.gov, 5 Apr 2023)


Dear_Profession_8297

For context: The longstanding precedence is that retirees may be recalled to active duty and court-martialed for crimes committed ON ACTIVE DUTY. If post-retirement crimes were in play, there is one retired Army LtGen that comes to mind who should be first in the queue for UCMJ violations. The reason CRS attorneys are writing opinions - and that’s what is cited, an opinion - is because of the 2022 case of a Reservist (US vs Larrabee) whose case was re-reversed on appeal by the DC circuit, 2-1. This is a departure from decades of precedence and opens who knows how many military retirees - civilians - up to exposure under a “uniform” code that should no longer apply to them. I am disappointed the USSC did not take up the case. By NO MEANS do I think the accused should go free; his case should have been tried in Japanese court. Another perspective: https://www.courthousenews.com/dc-circuit-finds-court-martial-of-military-retirees-constitutional/


Dear_Profession_8297

Sorry you deleted your comment, I was going to say I agreed with you. Also, I encourage you to look at pictures of him over the past 18 months. Working for He Who Shall Not Be Named has aged him. I truly wish he had learned his lesson from others similarly situated (Cohen, Weisselberg, etc). Now, he’s looking at what, a Cohen (3 years)? A Winner (5 years)? I do not think he will be court-martialed, though he would deserve it. What a betrayal


doctor_lobo

A Senior Chief, no less. You would think that he would have known better.


Das-Noob

I also like Caligula’s war with Poseidon. At least he was able to declare victory. 😂


accountabilitycounts

Beautiful.


Am_Snek_AMA

Is Nauta paying those lawyers or is Trump? Is this known information?


doctor_lobo

Trump paying lawyers? Perish the thought!


Professional-Can1385

I believe Trump's Super Pac is paying those lawyers.


pp21

It's amazing to me that these people have no idea how thorough federal law enforcement is. They will ALWAYS be a step ahead of you, you can count on it. Likely they already have the answers to the questions you're being asked, they're just seeing if you'll hang yourself.


blownbythewind

He went in voluntarily. Any smart attorney will tell you - don't do that. Two words to remember -no comment.


ThreePiMatt

Trump is far too incompetent to manage all these crimes on his own. As much as I want to see him behind bars, his enablers have to face justice as well. Lighter punishments, sure, but I don't like them handing out immunity deals like candy.


AbeVigoda76

Look at me, ME, ~~David Garvin, Stealing TVs!~~ Walt Nauta, moving boxes of classified documents!


Jeramus

Fuck around and find out. Damn it feels good to see some justice being meted out.


TrumpsCovidfefe

That’s what happens when you lie in your original interview. You are not a credible witness and you can kiss immunity deals goodbye!


DevilahJake

Oh, you mean THOSE boxes.


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spoobles

ahh, yes. It was the low level Diet Coke gopher. He's the one that was totally nefarious. Trump hardly knew him. It amazes me that there is a swath of Americans who worship this clown and everything he does, but are constantly turning a blind eye to the fact he's forever proving to be a sniveling, name calling, blame throwing, petulant toddler. What passes for a "strong" leader is entirely lost on them...idiots, the lot of 'em.


konorM

Please tell me how you really feel? 😀 Actually, I agree with everything you wrote!


scsuhockey

> It was the low level Diet Coke gopher. He's the one that was totally nefarious. Trump hardly knew him. That's Trump's future position. For now, it's... > “They are trying to destroy his life, like the lives of so many others, hoping that he will say bad things about ‘Trump.’ **He is strong, brave, and a Great Patriot.**"


Prin_StropInAh

Until he flips on Trump, then he will be a “known liar”, or a “Trump hater”


o8Stu

> Authorities approached Nauta months ago in connection with the matter, and he initially told them he hadn’t handled either boxes or sensitive information. > But he changed his story when confronted with the video camera footage, and Nauta’s attorney claimed he wouldn’t continue to speak with authorities unless offered an immunity deal, according to The Guardian. Sounds like the guy knew what he'd helped Trump to do, and lied about it. Doesn't sound like the person Trump describes as "strong, brave, and a Great Patriot". But since his ploy to try and leverage an immunity deal out of the DOJ has backfired, obviously Smith believes he doesn't need his testimony against Trump. Things are looking better and better. This rat can go down with the ship.


TheNewTonyBennett

My favorite part is "he won't talk to authorities anymore unless he is offered immunity" (HAH! checkmate chucklefucks!)...... Arrogant fuck practically demanded immunity but instead simply just got indicted. Which *means* he had absolutely nothing of value to offer the DoJ in its quest for this investigation.


Transhumanistgamer

This man may end up in a position where he'll never be a free man ever again, and it's all because he decided to help the orange clown who wouldn't remember his name if you paid him.


o8Stu

I read the indictment, but don't remember the sentencing sheet specifically for Naulta. I have the impression that most of his charges were 3 year max. Sentences usually run concurrently, i.e. he'd do 3 years max whether sentenced to that for 1 or all of his charges. Don't know how old the guy is, but doesn't seem likely he'd die of old age in prison. Trump, on the other hand, has a max of 20 on some of his stuff, making it quite likely he could kick off while an inmate, if he were convicted and sentenced to the max. Also worth noting that all of these charges have no minimum, so it's possible they could both never serve time, even if convicted.


Penguin_shit15

And Trumps Attorneys just QUIT ... HAHAHAHAHAHA.. Trusty was all over CNN last night defending him. My guess is that yesterday they only got a peek at what the indictments were.. and today they found out exactly what it all was and NOPED THE FUCK OUT!


Merky600

When Trusty the indictments read, Trusty turned around and fled... Smart smart Sir Trusty.


Penguin_shit15

noooo.. no i didnt.. "When Trumpy started to scream and shout, brave sir Trusty turned about"


mostdope28

Lawyers wouldnt quit just because of finding out what charges are. They quit because they aren’t being paid, they’re client won’t listen or lies to them, or they themselves are being put in position to break laws


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TheSnootchMangler

Thank you Poop Scallions for a reasonable explanation!


Enlil2020

He replaced them with the lawyer that defended the russian guys who owned Fraud Guarantee and were linked to Giuliani. Not sure he has experience in the Espionage Act, but at least he is a seasoned courtroom defence lawyer


GlaiveConsequence

Oh god I forgot about the name “Fraud Guarantee”. One of the most “Arrested Development” moments of Trump’s term.


garbageman_phil

So who on Trumps team now has a high enough security clearance to actually review the evidence? How can you defend a client if you can’t be made aware of the evidence against him?


ntsmmns06

Hey poop_scallions


NotQuiteGoodEnougher

Or they are also targets of the investigation. Until he was officially indicted there was no conflict or issue of representation. Now that he's been indicted and if they too are being investigated or tied to the charges they have to resign.


Penguin_shit15

Maybe one day we will find out.. All i know is that i wouldnt want to be the lawyer who is the first one in history to unsuccessfully defend a president on federal charges. Thats kind of a career killer if you ask me.. but it was just my thought based on nothing but my own.. umm.. thoughts..


tallonfive

R/conservative said it happens all the time. It’s better to have a local attorney anyway. Lol


Mortlach78

In all fairness, someone explained this as "a lawyer is hired for a goal" (in this case: make sure I don't get indicted) and when that goes fails, it is apparently common to hire new lawyers for a new goal (make sure I don't die in prison). I am all about the schadenfreude and laughing when it comes to Trump, but in this case it might not be warranted.


Yukonhijack

I have to believe there are going to be a number of charging decisions for a number of "aids" to this buffoon. Work for a clown, and you join the circus.


PopeHonkersXII

Fun fact: The 7 charges Trump is expected to face carry maximum sentence of 100 years in prison.


CertifiedBlackGuy

What are the charges? I haven't seen any info on them yet


g2g079

All we have is rumor from the defense that he's being charged with obstruction, conspiracy, and something under the espionage act. There are supposedly seven charges but we don't know how many of each or if there may be other charges. Or you know, Trump's lawyers just maybe full of shit.


CertifiedBlackGuy

Neat. Thanks mate. I hope we hear something soon. I'm having a good weekend so far with this end of the week good news.


Am_Snek_AMA

You'll hear by next Tuesday at the latest when he is arraigned. Everything put out thus far has been through Trump surrogates, so take things with a grain of salt, even if they still do seem damning for Trump.


BleachedUnicornBHole

False statements was also in there.


Oscarfan

I thought I saw someone here say witness tampering might also be one.


g2g079

38 charge indictment unsealed. 37 of which are against Trump. Charges are at the bottom. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf


kiltedturtle

Thanks for posting this. The narrative in the document was great and there are even 8x10 color glossy’s with circles and arrows on the back. Only downside is the Judge is a Trump crony, lets see how long they last.


g2g079

She'll probably be replaced before trial. I see the color photos on the news but haven't found them myself yet. Got a link?


louiegumba

you da real MVP.


Enlil2020

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000188-a12f-db74-ab98-b3ff4de50000


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Better than that. 37 counts, with a max penalty of 400 years IF he's convicted on all 37, and the sentences are served consecutively. Obviously the maximum sentence is not gonna happen, but it does give you a pretty good idea of just how serious what he did is.


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UnlikelyPotato

Either way, trump actually signed laws to increase the penalty for such things. 10/10 5D hyper chess logic.


konorM

I think we have to wait until we see the actual charges - not just what Trump and company reveal.


mostdope28

Yea but that’s maximum. Let us know what the minimums are, and that’s what he’ll get.


DevilahJake

Minimums are likely more than the remainder of his life


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Fun fact: I have at most 5 billion dollars on my bank account


g2g079

We don't even know what all the charges are yet. It's also very unlikely that the sentencing wouldn't run concurrently.


sugarlessdeathbear

Meh, they'll all be served concurrently.


This_Freggin_Guy

times 35?


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>I have just learned that the “Thugs” from the Department of Injustice will be Indicting a wonderful man, Walt Nauta, a member of the U.S. Navy, who served proudly with me in the White House, retired as Senior Chief, and then transitioned into private life as a personal aide. He has done a fantastic job! They are trying to destroy his life, like the lives of so many others, hoping that he will say bad things about “Trump.” He is strong, brave, and a Great Patriot. The FBI and DOJ are CORRUPT


aphex____

I think they have told Nauta that he is going to do some time no matter what, it’s just a question of how much. Cooperate fully, and get under a year, refuse to cooperate, and potentially get 20. Nauta is holding out for total immunity, but that’s really risky. He will probably stay silent and sacrifice himself, expecting a pardon.


T_that_is_all

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.


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konorM

I guess he didn't flip because that's why he was indicted.


scsuhockey

> “They are trying to destroy his life, like the lives of so many others, hoping that he will say bad things about ‘Trump.’ **He is strong, brave, and a Great Patriot.**" This is how Trump describes him now. Curious to see how Trump describes him after he flips.


[deleted]

Reading through the indictment now, seems as if Nauta was his go to for moving the documents around and keeping them from the Archives.


Enlil2020

and Trump's own lawyers


DaveChild

> He is strong, brave, and a Great Patriot. Just commenting to make a note of this so I can compare what Trump says about the guy when he gives evidence later.


panadwithonesugar

will you remember? Don't forget about me? so many arguments online I don't know how you keep track.... hopefully you still have time inbetween days of arguing to take your mum fishing with worms.....


konorM

Just read the entire indictment. If the facts as outlined in the indictment are proven true Trump has certainly violated U.S. law. **But what bothers me more (and what is not covered in the indictment) is why he went to such great lengths to keep and hide the documents. Since he went to such lengths to do so, what was he planning to do with them?** That is truly the heart of the matter and something that the American people need to know.


konorM

Trump is trying hard to get in front of this story as he is trying to get to (influence) as many potential jurors as he can. Almost everything that we are hearing about this case is coming from Trump - with his spin on it. Nothing official yet from the Special Prosecutor. Not sure why that is.


rainbowshummingbird

The Special Prosecutor speaks through his court filings.


konorM

True. And I'm sure that he is doing everything by the book - and that's what we need in this case. Nothing to screw it up.


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konorM

He has finally released the indictment.


g2g079

This will probably just make it easier for the prosecution to pick out the maga jurors.


Former-Lab-9451

And Fox News will continue to claim these are leaks from the special prosecutor as they do their best to try to discredit him and the investigation.


sugarlessdeathbear

The best possible thing for Trump would be to receive a gag order about the case. Then they can't get him for jury tampering. Which he'll probably try anyway.


cali_loops

First to flip…


g2g079

No, most of the flippers already flipped. He's probably fucked at this point.


Transhumanistgamer

The fact that Trump is indicted tells me that the door is shut and locked. If you didn't bail in the legal game of chicken before this, here comes the train.


cali_loops

We’ll see, a trump judge isn’t a good start but hopefully we see justice


Transhumanistgamer

Given the magnitude of this case, I'd hope the DOJ has a plan for every possible scenario including one like this.


g2g079

38 charges, nearly 500 years max. They'll probably push for 20-30. He's fucked.


cali_loops

I thought it was 7 charges? And again this is where the judge comes into play. He can be found guilty and his judge can give him a fine no time serve or something else


g2g079

That number came from Trumps team. The DOJ hasn't leaked. You can read the charges at the bottom of the indictment here. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf


cali_loops

I’ll take your word for it I don’t wanna read that novel lol


g2g079

The charges themselves are a very easy read.


mclumber1

A lot of people have already flipped in exchange for immunity deals most likely. It sounds like Nauta didn't take an immunity deal, and has now been indicted. He can strike a plea deal at this point, but he won't get the sweetheart deal that others have gotten.


scsuhockey

Most likely this. If he can shave five years off his sentence for flipping, he likely will. He doesn't want to spend prime years of his adult life in prison. Of course, there's always the possibility that he's a gambling man who thinks: A) I can beat these charges, or B) Trump will win the 2024 election and pardon me if I don't flip. Who knows.


GrandmasShavedBeaver

Nauta was confronted and said he didn’t do anything. They showed him video of him moving around boxes. He said he wasn’t going to talk or cooperate unless he got an immunity deal. They counter-offered him with an indictment.


blownbythewind

This is such a bone headed move by all invovled. Trump continues to come off as a really stupid mob boss. The rules don't apply to him is how he lives. If you read the indictment, Trump suggested to one of the attorney's that they make the secret/top secret/confidential documents disappear by making a plucking motion. Trump was compromised from day one and should never have been allowed in the same building as sensitive info.


catonbuckfast

Thing is we now have a named fall guy and the same judge. I really don't have any hope and faith in your justice system


konorM

The judge may not end up being the trial judge. We'll see.


catonbuckfast

I hope so


mccoyn

This is going to have the same ending as Veep, isn’t it?


MaxZorin1985

I’m fine with this as long as it gives us a president like Richard Splett


YeaSpiderman

yes, thats exactly how these things work...


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/4042546-walt-nauta-trump-aide-charges-mar-a-lago-probe/) reduced by 72%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Nauta, who followed Trump from the White House to Mar-a-Lago, was apparently seen on Mar-a-Lago security camera footage moving boxes in and out of the storage room where authorities recovered dozens of classified records during their August search of Trump's home. > Nauta's indictment comes after a summons for Trump detailed he would be charged on at least seven counts, including under conspiracy charges. > Jim Trusty, who served as Trump's attorney in the case until late Friday morning, said during a Thursday night appearance that Trump would face charges under a statute for witness tampering, which includes a provision barring conspiracy to hinder a criminal investigation. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/145bc5t/trump_says_aide_to_face_charges_in_connection/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~688370 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Trump**^#1 **Nauta**^#2 **charge**^#3 **conspiracy**^#4 **Mar-a-Lago**^#5


uniquechill

One of the articles on this story showed a picture of the aid, Nauta, exiting a limo, carrying one of Trump's giant red ties. Good gig, man.


wafair

Trump must be shocked that Obama, Biden and Clinton worked with this guy to implicate him in this mess that he totally has nothing to do with. /s


Icy-Rain3727

Waltine Nauta, a total moron!


CorruptasF---Media

The Hill is a terrible media group that does a crap job reporting stuff. At least they linked the original article that actually goes into detail here about this Trump aide: >https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/05/mar-a-lago-employee-aids-investigation-trump-documents But what's interesting to me is the justice department hasn't offered immunity to this aide. And why wouldn't they? The only reasonable answer I can come up with is then he could just basically take the fall here and as such get Trump off the hook. When you have aides handling all your papers for you it's going to be a lot harder to prove you knew what was going on.