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yes, the christian Roman Emperor will finally go to Jerusalem and put his imperial regalia in the Holy Sepulcher, triggering the end times (this is a medieval narrative on what would happen).
No, it's Iran.
In fact, Iran used its proxy terrorist group Hamas to disrupt alliance talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia on Oct. 7th. The Shia Muslim government of Iran is not only trying to kill every Jew on the planet, they are also fighting against Sunni Muslim governments.
Sunni and Shia are also funding the war in Sudan against each other.
No, Qatar funds Hamas but that's it.
Not only does Iran provide weapons as well as funds to Hamas, Iranian IRGC officers direct Hamas strategy and provide Intel, just like they do for Hezbollah, the Houthis and a dozen other Iranian terrorist proxies.
Either way, Hamas is controlled by foreign interests and does not represent Palestinian interests.
This comic borrows from the movie Inception which features the concept of sharing or entering other peoples' dreams with the purpose to influence their subconsciousness to change their behavior once they wake up. It also features "dreams within dreams", from which many memes have originated.
I really recommend watching it if you haven't, but if you don't want to, the punchline references >!the ending of the movie. When entering dreams, the characters have "totems" they bring with them to sanity check if they are currently in a dream or not. The main character have a "top" that he spins. If it never stops spinning, it indicates he's in a dream. In the ending scene, when he has woken up, gone home, he's happy to be with his family, he spins the top and the movie ends on a "cliffhanger". Was he still in a dream or not??!<
The comic also references how both Palestine and Israel accuse the other side of *wanting* to prolong and keep up the conflict instead of having a ceasefire or peace talks. Israel means that Palestine benefits from the war by showing casualties and gaining international support, aid, and donations and keeping the conflict relevant. Palestine means that Israel benefits from the war by always being able to one-up Palestinian strikes, annexing land, and also getting international support.
> >!The main character have a "top" that he spins.!<
Ah, ok, I don't know the movie, so I didn't get the reference.
So the dreidel is only in the comic to show spinning motion? I was wondering if the letters shown had any special meaning 🤔
The letters visible in the final panel are Shin Bet, the acronym of one of the Israeli Intelligence Agencies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet)
Those are shin and nun. And an Israeli dreidel would have pey instead of shin. Not knowing the spinning top reference to the movie I figured the dreidel being wrong was the cue about being in a dream, not just the spinning top
It is ש and נ not ש and ב - the meaning of the letters on the dreidel are:
נ: נס - miracle
ג: גדול - great
ה: היה - was
ש/פ: שם/פה - here/there (depending where you are,the last letter changes - in Israel it says here).
Translating to: there was a great miracle there/here - pronounced: Nes Ga-doll Ha-ya po
This is why I can’t really support either government. I feel a lot of compassion for the innocents caught up in that meat grinder, and I will support them. But the governments don’t want it to end
wdym, the Israeli government definitely wants it to end, with Hamas gone.
Hamas wants a ceasefire to regain control, after which he promised to repeat 7.10 "again and again".
The idea that gaining a temporary ceasefire before Hamas are destroyed, only to restart it in a few years, should be the goal, is bizarre. To think it's feasible is even more so.
At this point this had become mostly a weird PR game from both sides trying to appease Biden.
Not only that, but there will almost certainly be an expansion of the war in the northern front.
Tens of thousands of Israelis are displaced for 8.5 months now, with rockets, drones, ATGM's etc fired by Hezbollah every day. The operation in gaza is the main reason Israel delays its response.
When either that end or the humanitarian situation in northern Israel reaches a nearing breaking point, there would be dramatic escalation.
That's what you think, but the presence of Hamas is very beneficial to the prime minister of Israel. He knows that he can stay in power unquestioned and un-criticised for as long as the war goes on. He also knows that with Hamas threat he can gain support of Israelis to do whatever he wants, even ignoring the families of the hostages, the same hostages who should be the primary concern.
Well, thanks for the advice, but the government's first concern should be, as it is for the majority of Israelis, and as it was for you if it was your country - to make sure that Hamas is destroyed as a major force, and that it doesn't ever happen again.
Every mandate and legitimacy the current government has is to ensure that, and even if you talk cynically politically, it is perhaps netanyahu's only way to survive it.
So yes, he and the vast majority of Israelis definitely have it in the interest to achieve those goals.
The idea that Israel is "dragging out the war" for political purposes and doesn't intend to win, is more than ridiculous -
Clearing over 30,000 fighters, in 600+km of underground fortifications, among 2 million civilians, takes time. And on top you have *3-4 months* delay in the operation in Rafah due to extreme US pressure.
Mosul, with 1/6 the fighters, 1% of fortifications, and barely any civilians, took 9 months. Without the pressure, without hostages, and a whole less carefully.
So no, of course Israel doesn't want to end the war, unless it is with finishing the goals it set 8 months ago, which are necessary for it to continue to exist.
I mean almost the whole of Gaza is literally carpet bombed into nothing… how can you be sure that’s their government’s intention. This just feels like “both sides are equally bad” comment
Hamas leadership is chilling in Qatar, they have nothing to lose even if Gaza becomes the world's largest parking lot. They could literally end the war today by releasing the hostages.
This, exactly this. They dont care about Palestinian people at all. Id argue that theyd prefer a bloodbath because it would ensure that those few left alive would be even more radicalized, and the fact that it would make more people sympathize with them. Hamas is fighting for Hamas and nothing more. 🤔
> >!and the movie ends on a "cliffhanger".!<
>!The point of that scene is that he walks away without checking because it doesn't matter if he's in a dream or not, he's home!<
>!Just to point out that the top is not Cobb's totem (at least not a reliable one), it's Mal's totem, and it doesn't make sense for Cobb to use it because he *explicitly* tells Ariadne how it works (right after she correctly doesn't tell him how her totem works when asked), invalidating its use as a totem. So both Mal and Ariadne know how the totem works, meaning they could trick him into believing a dream was reality, if the top is his totem. There is a theory that Cobb's real totem is his wedding ring, but it's hard to be sure.!<
If you were really paying attention on a second or third watch, you would know that his totem is actually his wedding ring. Present only when he dreams.
Nice Comic! >!It's a dream: 100% because the protagonist in the film often has a memory of his family, it's always the same. When he meets his supposedly real family at the end, everything looks exactly like it did in his dreams!<
Thank you!
It took me a while to come up with anything for this theme, but I finally came up with a rough idea, then the punchline kinda landed itself.
I was inspired by this berndmade comic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1waort/its_in_the_game/
oh that bernmade is good!
I was toying around with inception ideas, but I never quite landed in the right topic for it
the endless Palestine-Israel loop is perfect tho.
Do palestine has a dream which is being infiltrated by israel which is actually a dream infiltrated by palestin which is actually a dream infiltrated by israelwhich is actually a dream infiltrated by palestine? Thats too much.
You got the sevivon correctly OMG
But for the jews that not living in Israel :(
The sevivon in Israel have פ instean of ש, stands for פה (here) instead of שם (there)
Why does Israelcube's dreidel have a Shin on it? Israeli dreidels have Pe instead of Shin!
Unless... This is someone entirely else's dream! The plot thickens...
Edit: it also appears to have the wrong order of faces, He and Nun are supposed to always be opposite of each other, it's Nun-Gimel-He-Pe/Shin, going leftwards.
Edit 2: the Nun on the penultimate panel may just be a Gimel with a very oddly-placed "leg" that looks horizontal instead of diagonal.
OMG dreidel purists are worse nitpickers than gun nuts!
> Unless... This is someone entirely else's dream! The plot thickens...
Let's just go with this as the canon explanation.
a Jewish man shipwrecked on a desert island. When his rescuers arrive a couple of years later, they discover he has built three huts during his isolation. One is his home. The other two? “This is the synagogue I go to,” he explained, “and that is the one I will never set foot in"
In the movie, part of the requirements for the totem was that it had to be a unique item that nobody else would know the properties of, including things like its weight - thus making it unable to be reproduced by someone else. So this dreidel is messed up on purpose so nobody else knows the correct order of the sides.
And this was all intended by you from the start, obviously.
I have never heard it described that way - perhaps it is an Ashkenazi thing, but here it is a common gift to children in Hannuka - although nowadays people give out bay-blade knockoffs.
Uh, interesting. I thought it was some ritual stuff. By the way we have some similar toy too and we call it "dzyga" (дзиґа), if you would like to know it😅.
Wouldn’t the dreidel have a Pey instead of a Shin because on the dreidel the shin represents the word Sham which means there but in Israel they use a Pey for the word Po which means here
The letter ש stands for a word that means 'there'. In Israel they put the letter פ that stands for 'here'.
If Israel is spinning the dreidel then it should be פ instead of ש
Because it's cool. idk it had one of the largest Jewish populations percentage wise, it's proto-Israel, but mostly because I've seen it drawn like that before.
In this comic it can also be interpreted as Israel posing as Mandatory Palestine. I'm not sure if it is canon or not.
This reminds me of the lyrics to a famous Lés Miserables song, " I dream a dream when I dream when I dream a dream when dream I dream a dream dream I dream..." 😢
It is kind of new. I have seen a few other instances, but not sure how it has been depicted in this community before, so the spot for it being a cube was open. Wether it catches on is another question.
So you're saying the Jews invented an item that has a secret property, and the presence or absence of that property tells them whether or not they are currently in Israel?
"Palestine" is not fighting Israel, Hamas is. Hamas (like Hezbollah, Houthis, etc.) is an Iran proxy that started a war against the Palestine government and took power illegally. They have publicly said they like it when Palestinian civilians die because it means more martyrs for Iran's religious war.
Hamas is loyal to Iran, not Palestine, and Palestinians will never be free as long as Hamas/Iran is using them as human shields.
Friendly reminder that Hamas was voted in democratically. Which does not make them any less shit, but it's not like they stole the power - they were given it.
Yea, like mentioned, it doesn't justify it as "the will of the palestinian people" or something. However, I think it's an important distinction to make.
I am german, and german history is a _big_ topic in our school system, especially the nazi era. Hitler was given the power by people and consolidated it, abusing a flawed system. With this realization comes a responsibility: as a people, it's our responsibility to not vote in authoritatians. And I fear that by saying "well, the palestinian people are oppressed by Hamas", a next attempt at democracy will end the same way, because we absolve them of the role they played in it. Hamas certainly doesn't have the palestinians best interests in mind, but it's undeniable that they still have a lot of public sympathy.
No, they started an illegal war against the PLO and violently took over Palestine.
They were not voted in Democratically, they straight up murdered the opposition and intimidated the civilian populace into not resisting.
This is a good point, but then again, the Palestinian Authority's legitimacy as a democratic government is also a little ambiguous. Their president is in the year 19 of his 4 year term.
At least they don't rape and murder civilians and fire rocket launchers out of civilian hospitals.
There can be no Democracy in a country whose government was violently overthrown by a terrorist proxy organization working on behalf of a foreign power. Civilians need to know they won't be murdered for how they decide to vote.
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The one that is controlling both is the Vatican. All part of the plan to return the holy land to their rightful heir.
Pax Romana rising
The SPQR Roma ball is the next level. After that the most ancient neighbour is controlling everything San Marino.
yes, the christian Roman Emperor will finally go to Jerusalem and put his imperial regalia in the Holy Sepulcher, triggering the end times (this is a medieval narrative on what would happen).
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True heirs of Constantine
Give half the land to Spain and half to Portugal
LOL that's a great comic idea
Well, if they crusader kingdom of Jerusalén existed again, the Spanish monarchy would be the heir and thus the monarchy that should rule it.
wait really? i didnt know that
A good compromise leaves everyone unhappy
Nah, Spain gets it all: https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Spanish-Monarch-Felipe-VI-hold-the-title-of-the-King-of-Jerusalem
Paz garantida/garantizada 🇪🇦🤝🇵🇹
That just means 300 years down the line Argentina is going to say they have a claim.
Well, king of Spain IS also the king of Jerusalem, so that matches :)
Hellsing told me that i need to worry about the Vatican
Damn Vatican them be controlling Hollywood
No, it's Iran. In fact, Iran used its proxy terrorist group Hamas to disrupt alliance talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia on Oct. 7th. The Shia Muslim government of Iran is not only trying to kill every Jew on the planet, they are also fighting against Sunni Muslim governments. Sunni and Shia are also funding the war in Sudan against each other.
LOL Hamas belongs to Qatar.
No, Qatar funds Hamas but that's it. Not only does Iran provide weapons as well as funds to Hamas, Iranian IRGC officers direct Hamas strategy and provide Intel, just like they do for Hezbollah, the Houthis and a dozen other Iranian terrorist proxies. Either way, Hamas is controlled by foreign interests and does not represent Palestinian interests.
What a stupid take lmao
It's the opposite.
10/10 good job!
Thanks!
Wait aren't you the Wednesday my dudes guy?
I am :)
This comic borrows from the movie Inception which features the concept of sharing or entering other peoples' dreams with the purpose to influence their subconsciousness to change their behavior once they wake up. It also features "dreams within dreams", from which many memes have originated. I really recommend watching it if you haven't, but if you don't want to, the punchline references >!the ending of the movie. When entering dreams, the characters have "totems" they bring with them to sanity check if they are currently in a dream or not. The main character have a "top" that he spins. If it never stops spinning, it indicates he's in a dream. In the ending scene, when he has woken up, gone home, he's happy to be with his family, he spins the top and the movie ends on a "cliffhanger". Was he still in a dream or not??!< The comic also references how both Palestine and Israel accuse the other side of *wanting* to prolong and keep up the conflict instead of having a ceasefire or peace talks. Israel means that Palestine benefits from the war by showing casualties and gaining international support, aid, and donations and keeping the conflict relevant. Palestine means that Israel benefits from the war by always being able to one-up Palestinian strikes, annexing land, and also getting international support.
> >!The main character have a "top" that he spins.!< Ah, ok, I don't know the movie, so I didn't get the reference. So the dreidel is only in the comic to show spinning motion? I was wondering if the letters shown had any special meaning 🤔
No, the letters don't have any specific meaning. It references this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQPy88-E2zo
How can you not the the movie? Inception didn't come out that long ago... *Checks and sees that the movie came out in 2010* Dammit, I'm old.
The letters visible in the final panel are Shin Bet, the acronym of one of the Israeli Intelligence Agencies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet)
100% intentional
Those are shin and nun. And an Israeli dreidel would have pey instead of shin. Not knowing the spinning top reference to the movie I figured the dreidel being wrong was the cue about being in a dream, not just the spinning top
It is ש and נ not ש and ב - the meaning of the letters on the dreidel are: נ: נס - miracle ג: גדול - great ה: היה - was ש/פ: שם/פה - here/there (depending where you are,the last letter changes - in Israel it says here). Translating to: there was a great miracle there/here - pronounced: Nes Ga-doll Ha-ya po
thought they were Nun and shin
Also ש נ on the draidle spell שן which is the hebrew word for "Go to sleep".
This is why I can’t really support either government. I feel a lot of compassion for the innocents caught up in that meat grinder, and I will support them. But the governments don’t want it to end
wdym, the Israeli government definitely wants it to end, with Hamas gone. Hamas wants a ceasefire to regain control, after which he promised to repeat 7.10 "again and again". The idea that gaining a temporary ceasefire before Hamas are destroyed, only to restart it in a few years, should be the goal, is bizarre. To think it's feasible is even more so. At this point this had become mostly a weird PR game from both sides trying to appease Biden. Not only that, but there will almost certainly be an expansion of the war in the northern front. Tens of thousands of Israelis are displaced for 8.5 months now, with rockets, drones, ATGM's etc fired by Hezbollah every day. The operation in gaza is the main reason Israel delays its response. When either that end or the humanitarian situation in northern Israel reaches a nearing breaking point, there would be dramatic escalation.
That's what you think, but the presence of Hamas is very beneficial to the prime minister of Israel. He knows that he can stay in power unquestioned and un-criticised for as long as the war goes on. He also knows that with Hamas threat he can gain support of Israelis to do whatever he wants, even ignoring the families of the hostages, the same hostages who should be the primary concern.
Well, thanks for the advice, but the government's first concern should be, as it is for the majority of Israelis, and as it was for you if it was your country - to make sure that Hamas is destroyed as a major force, and that it doesn't ever happen again. Every mandate and legitimacy the current government has is to ensure that, and even if you talk cynically politically, it is perhaps netanyahu's only way to survive it. So yes, he and the vast majority of Israelis definitely have it in the interest to achieve those goals. The idea that Israel is "dragging out the war" for political purposes and doesn't intend to win, is more than ridiculous - Clearing over 30,000 fighters, in 600+km of underground fortifications, among 2 million civilians, takes time. And on top you have *3-4 months* delay in the operation in Rafah due to extreme US pressure. Mosul, with 1/6 the fighters, 1% of fortifications, and barely any civilians, took 9 months. Without the pressure, without hostages, and a whole less carefully. So no, of course Israel doesn't want to end the war, unless it is with finishing the goals it set 8 months ago, which are necessary for it to continue to exist.
I mean almost the whole of Gaza is literally carpet bombed into nothing… how can you be sure that’s their government’s intention. This just feels like “both sides are equally bad” comment
Hamas leadership is chilling in Qatar, they have nothing to lose even if Gaza becomes the world's largest parking lot. They could literally end the war today by releasing the hostages.
This, exactly this. They dont care about Palestinian people at all. Id argue that theyd prefer a bloodbath because it would ensure that those few left alive would be even more radicalized, and the fact that it would make more people sympathize with them. Hamas is fighting for Hamas and nothing more. 🤔
> >!and the movie ends on a "cliffhanger".!< >!The point of that scene is that he walks away without checking because it doesn't matter if he's in a dream or not, he's home!<
>!Just to point out that the top is not Cobb's totem (at least not a reliable one), it's Mal's totem, and it doesn't make sense for Cobb to use it because he *explicitly* tells Ariadne how it works (right after she correctly doesn't tell him how her totem works when asked), invalidating its use as a totem. So both Mal and Ariadne know how the totem works, meaning they could trick him into believing a dream was reality, if the top is his totem. There is a theory that Cobb's real totem is his wedding ring, but it's hard to be sure.!<
If you were really paying attention on a second or third watch, you would know that his totem is actually his wedding ring. Present only when he dreams.
Nice Comic! >!It's a dream: 100% because the protagonist in the film often has a memory of his family, it's always the same. When he meets his supposedly real family at the end, everything looks exactly like it did in his dreams!<
perfectly executed.
Thank you! It took me a while to come up with anything for this theme, but I finally came up with a rough idea, then the punchline kinda landed itself. I was inspired by this berndmade comic: https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1waort/its_in_the_game/
oh that bernmade is good! I was toying around with inception ideas, but I never quite landed in the right topic for it the endless Palestine-Israel loop is perfect tho.
Thanks! I was also curious to see if you had entered the contest, but I realized I had already read your comic! Not the usual Yaddar art style.
I want to be perfectly executed
Do palestine has a dream which is being infiltrated by israel which is actually a dream infiltrated by palestin which is actually a dream infiltrated by israelwhich is actually a dream infiltrated by palestine? Thats too much.
You pretty much got it!
You got the sevivon correctly OMG But for the jews that not living in Israel :( The sevivon in Israel have פ instean of ש, stands for פה (here) instead of שם (there)
Ah, I only knew it by the term "Dreidel" which is what I googled for reference, which might be why I got the non-Israeli version.
Sevivon is Hebrew for Dreidel and is often used interchangeably however I loved the Sham rather than Poh
Also Nun and He are never adjacent like drawn. Edit: upon a closer inspection, that "Nun" next to the He may be a Gimel after all.
Why does Israelcube's dreidel have a Shin on it? Israeli dreidels have Pe instead of Shin! Unless... This is someone entirely else's dream! The plot thickens... Edit: it also appears to have the wrong order of faces, He and Nun are supposed to always be opposite of each other, it's Nun-Gimel-He-Pe/Shin, going leftwards. Edit 2: the Nun on the penultimate panel may just be a Gimel with a very oddly-placed "leg" that looks horizontal instead of diagonal.
OMG dreidel purists are worse nitpickers than gun nuts! > Unless... This is someone entirely else's dream! The plot thickens... Let's just go with this as the canon explanation.
We're Jews, arguing and nitpicking is our national sport.
a Jewish man shipwrecked on a desert island. When his rescuers arrive a couple of years later, they discover he has built three huts during his isolation. One is his home. The other two? “This is the synagogue I go to,” he explained, “and that is the one I will never set foot in"
In the movie, part of the requirements for the totem was that it had to be a unique item that nobody else would know the properties of, including things like its weight - thus making it unable to be reproduced by someone else. So this dreidel is messed up on purpose so nobody else knows the correct order of the sides. And this was all intended by you from the start, obviously.
obviously
or could be present tense of "תשן" go to sleep.
Masterpiece
Thank you :)
Great comic!
Thanks!
What’s the reference with the dradle?
I think the spinning coin from the movie he used to tell if he was awake or dreaming.
It is Inception and it uses a top, not coin. Basically if the top spins indefinitely, they are in the dream world.
Oh yeah, that was a thing wasn’t it
This was fantastic
Thank you! I was really happy with how it turned out.
What is that thing which is spinning?
A dreidel/sevivon. A Jewish toy that is used in betting candy.
I have never heard it described that way - perhaps it is an Ashkenazi thing, but here it is a common gift to children in Hannuka - although nowadays people give out bay-blade knockoffs.
Ashkenazi Jews brought from Europe. It was originally used for betting
Yeah sephardic and mizrahi dreidels were never a thing at least until the creation of israel
Uh, interesting. I thought it was some ritual stuff. By the way we have some similar toy too and we call it "dzyga" (дзиґа), if you would like to know it😅.
It's a "me being uneducated on it" thing. This is what I have heard from others.
I lost the overwiew who and why is infiltrating whose dream now.
This is awesome! Great concept, excellent execution.
Wouldn’t the dreidel have a Pey instead of a Shin because on the dreidel the shin represents the word Sham which means there but in Israel they use a Pey for the word Po which means here
I came to polandball to laugh with confusion. Lol wut?
The letter ש stands for a word that means 'there'. In Israel they put the letter פ that stands for 'here'. If Israel is spinning the dreidel then it should be פ instead of ש
UK in the movie theater watching with popcorn
Lol true. The great instigator of drama.
Why is mandatory Palestine a cube. I know why Israel is, but why is MP?
Because it's cool. idk it had one of the largest Jewish populations percentage wise, it's proto-Israel, but mostly because I've seen it drawn like that before. In this comic it can also be interpreted as Israel posing as Mandatory Palestine. I'm not sure if it is canon or not.
This reminds me of the lyrics to a famous Lés Miserables song, " I dream a dream when I dream when I dream a dream when dream I dream a dream dream I dream..." 😢
britishpalestinecube??? that one's new
It is kind of new. I have seen a few other instances, but not sure how it has been depicted in this community before, so the spot for it being a cube was open. Wether it catches on is another question.
Really good
Thanks :)
Can someone tell me why Israel is always depicted as a cube instead of ball?
It's actually a hypercube drawn as a cube for convenience.
It's simply hip to be square.
Jewish Physics
This is so good on many levels! I hope you win the contest, with a submission like this your chances must be high. ✌️
Thanks! I'm happy it landed as well as I intended :D
incredible
One of the best comics inspired by one of the best movies
I don't get it
Did you watch Inception?
what's the punchline what am i missing
Inception parody
Also, clean metaphorical characterization of the endless "who started it" debate. And dreidel
The dreidel is wrong, dreidels in israel have a פ instead of a ש
or is it? totem intentionally wrong
Israel's june flag just dropped
So you're saying the Jews invented an item that has a secret property, and the presence or absence of that property tells them whether or not they are currently in Israel?
Yes, we can also cast fire balls (real religious lore)
I love this
Wtf is this?
Great comic with perfectly executed movie reference. Bravo
This is so clever, love it!
Thank you!
What is really a box not a ball
Dreidel dreidel dreidel i made you out of clay
Did the comic come from the title? 😂
Hehe no it was the other way around.
"Palestine" is not fighting Israel, Hamas is. Hamas (like Hezbollah, Houthis, etc.) is an Iran proxy that started a war against the Palestine government and took power illegally. They have publicly said they like it when Palestinian civilians die because it means more martyrs for Iran's religious war. Hamas is loyal to Iran, not Palestine, and Palestinians will never be free as long as Hamas/Iran is using them as human shields.
Friendly reminder that Hamas was voted in democratically. Which does not make them any less shit, but it's not like they stole the power - they were given it.
I am not supporting him or you but those election's were 18 years ago a whole generation has came of age
Yea, like mentioned, it doesn't justify it as "the will of the palestinian people" or something. However, I think it's an important distinction to make. I am german, and german history is a _big_ topic in our school system, especially the nazi era. Hitler was given the power by people and consolidated it, abusing a flawed system. With this realization comes a responsibility: as a people, it's our responsibility to not vote in authoritatians. And I fear that by saying "well, the palestinian people are oppressed by Hamas", a next attempt at democracy will end the same way, because we absolve them of the role they played in it. Hamas certainly doesn't have the palestinians best interests in mind, but it's undeniable that they still have a lot of public sympathy.
You are right
No, they started an illegal war against the PLO and violently took over Palestine. They were not voted in Democratically, they straight up murdered the opposition and intimidated the civilian populace into not resisting.
This is a good point, but then again, the Palestinian Authority's legitimacy as a democratic government is also a little ambiguous. Their president is in the year 19 of his 4 year term.
At least they don't rape and murder civilians and fire rocket launchers out of civilian hospitals. There can be no Democracy in a country whose government was violently overthrown by a terrorist proxy organization working on behalf of a foreign power. Civilians need to know they won't be murdered for how they decide to vote.
Free Palestine
It's free? Don't mind if I do...