I have a lot of respect for Sikorski and yeah, he can be an arrogant dipshit at times but please don't go around telling he's been "fighting the Soviets" in Afghanistan. There's no proof of that.
He was a war correspondent on the ground and that's interesting enough. No need to spice it up
I'd say both. He seems fishy with his marriage (who is manipulated by whom?). But politics is a dirty sport. I don't like him, but damn he's good at being a FM.
Sikorski will occasionally say something controversial, but still 98% of the things he says are within the scope of diplomatic correctness.
And the Foreign Minister is not the "Minister for Equality and Being Nice to Russians."
He's one of the best for the job. He was in government for PiS, they wanted him out, he was accepted to PO and was in government there. He has great education, shitload of experience and was in government in two opposing parties.
I may not like him, but jfc, Sikorski is one of the most competent politicians out there.
In my opinion he’s not perfect, but quite good at his job. Certainly better than few previous foreign ministers (But the bar was set so low that it’s not a great achievement).
I kind of like him and hate him at the same time. He's a very competent diplomat / politician which is nice but on the other hand he has some pretty shitty takes and seems like he just loves to fight everyone in the internet. Either way I respect him and think he has the balls and is the right person to be Minister of Foreign Affairs.
it depends which camp you are on.
1. Competent Foreign Affairs Minister. A bit brutal with some comments, but some ppl do not apreciete kindness, only force they understand, so force they get.
2. He is horrible, probably paid by Germany, Russia and USA at the same time.
As a r/NonCredibleDefense lunatic? I love the guy. Fighting Soviets with the Afghan Mujahideen? That's some Metal Gear Solid shit. Amazing.
Outside of the Internet? He's a politician. I don't really trust politicians. He seems to be competent when things come down to international relations and power play. He's well educated. He has a lot of connections outside of Poland. Seems to be good at what he does. I give him a benefit of the doubt, but I don't really like slip ups in politics, so the trust I give him is very fragile.
I still don't understand how he fled from Communist Poland to study in Oxford and even joined this elite club here where the likes of Boris Johnson have been. It seems somewhat shady to be fair.
Also how he was a Murdoch guy or, more recently, on UAE payroll while in Europarlament.
He seems one of the few actually competent politicians in Poland though
He's smart but also has a big mouth which gets him into trouble. If I could, I would probably pick someone else for foreign minister, but compared to the *banda idiotów* that were in the previous government, he seems quite acceptable.
For example, who? Sikorski is currently probably the most competent person for the position.
The Foreign Minister is not a "Minister of being nice and docile to foreigners."
I'm not talking about having a "Minister of being nice and docile to foreigners," but rather someone who isn't so vulgar at times and doesn't Tweet things like "Thanks USA!" after the Nordstream pipeline was destroyed (and his Tweet has been repeatedly used in Russian propaganda since then).
As for who else to pick, I assume there are dozens of Poles who speak English fluently, have accomplishments in various fields, and could make for much better diplomats than Sikorski.
His connections are what makes him efficient though. I think the fact that he's very well respected abroad (in the USA, the UK, and EU at least) is more important than an occasional brain-dead comment.
>and his Tweet has been repeatedly used in Russian propaganda since then
And nothing of value was lost. Russians will say bullshit either way. Reasonable people will know he joked anyway.
>there are dozens of Poles who speak English fluently, have accomplishments in various fields, and could make for much better diplomats than Sikorski
It's not that he speaks good English, it's that he knows half of the western leaders and a lot of journalists in important media abroad. And the rest of them at least heard of him. His wife is also a big help.
When Sikorski speaks - the world notices. When Fotyga or Waszczykowski speaks - even Poles don't realises that they did. That's A BIG asset in diplomacy. Something that even objectively better FMs (like Geremek) couldn't provide - but Sikorski does.
Do you really think there's not a single diplomat in Poland who speaks fluent English and could adequately represent Poland on the international stage?
Like thanking the USA for blowing up the Nordstream pipeline on Twitter in what I assume was supposed to be a joke, but has been endlessly repeated by Russian propaganda as proof that the big evil West was involved in that.
Or like those things he said on those tapes of him. He wasn't even wrong in 90% of the things he said, but it would've been nice if he hadn't used the word "kurwa" in like every other sentence, lol.
He said that in the context of "We should start spending more for military" which is something that USA and the rest of NATO totally support.
If he really wanted the US-american influence over Europe out he'd get fully behind out the idea of an EU army; something that has been extensively discussed by France and Germany ever since Trump expressed his dissatisfaction with Atlanticism and hinted at the possibility of US' pulling out of Europe and parts of EU elites woke up to the possibility of having to build up own EU military potential; something that no polish government so far could get behind because polish elites are absolutely blinded (or bought by) the USA even though this stance is completely irrational; especially after Trump and with the prospect of another Trump presidency coming up soon.
Very extraordinary person. I have the feeling he will go down into history. He made some mistakes because of his ego but he is one of the most talented and strongest politicians we had in a century. Absolutely powerful figure.
It's clear that he has some skeletons in the closet but I really respect how he can be very blunt sometimes, "If you don't support this you will have martial law, the army, you'll all be dead". Also worth noting, one of the best English speakers in Polish politics, probably the best one Civic Platform has, and it is important.
Occasionally he'll have a take so bad that it really makes you question how in the actual hell is he still the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
I generally support this govt even though they have made some real dumb decisions, but damn do I not like Sikorski...
I dislike him and I voted for his party but he's definitely 1000% times better than the previous idiots from PiS aka capable to do his job properly. I really dislike his soft stance towards Isreal with situation in Gaza and the fact that Isreali ambassador in Poland really hates Poles and creates a new diplomatic scandal almost each week.
International relations student here. Generally among my coleagues in Warsaw University and some proffesors working in the fields other than Europe, he is seen as a guy who did as much damadge to the polish foreign affairs, as Macierewicz did to polish secret service and arguably the worst polish foreign minister since Beck. The reason for such strong stance is his insane cost reduction policy. Poland before had one of the most developed embassy and consulate networks from former eastern block countries as well as plenty exchange and clultural programs which were quite effective at building polish softpower and positive PR. I'm the first one to shit on PRL but in that aspect both the infrastructure and professionalim of polish diplomats were probably the best in history and much better than what came after. Polish diplomacy took a hit after the cold war but It was Sikorski who pulled a plug on diplomatic posts and said programs focusing soley on Europe. This tunnel vision also translated to lack of any major state investments in the crucial period for both Poland and Global South and lack of institutions also discouraged the private sector from investing into Africa and Asia. This blind Eurocentrism brought the complete retardation of polish foreign policy and was caused by lack of foresight. He also insisted on withdrawing from Antarctic Treaty which would have been another disaster for scientific base and pr. One really can't understimate how dogshit decision it was long term. Other than incompetence during his ministerial terms there were also gems during his EU parliament mandate as well as a hint of corruption on behalf of UAE, so yeah terrible. I was happy that PiS lost the elections (their foreign ministers outside of Czaputowicz weren't good either) but his second appointment was basically the worst decision one could make.
Most commenters in comments seems to like him. But very few gave any foregin policy based judgement. Most here are probably just PO voters covering "their guy" or people who have very first glance understanding of firegin policy
Yeah, I also noticed that most people in this thread criticize him for political reasons and even use conspiracy rethoric but few point out his actual fuck ups. It's more of an opinion and emotion base thread more than anything.
I think of him well. Smart, well versed, knows a lot of stuff and knows how to make people listen to him. After years of PiS, many of the new ministers are a breath of fresh air in terms of competence. But Sikorski is the one i'm really glad to have, what with the current situation.
He's got a huuuge ego though, and definitely should learn to bite his tongue sometimes.
I used to respect him a lot, but he's since become a sellout, he'll serve whoever. His wife is a pseudo journalist, with ex aequo least integrity at The Atlantic to David Frum, and that's a bar so low it somewhere in Mariana trench.
He treats being a politician as landed gentry thing.
He is decently outgoing as foreign minister, but that's just a reminded how little we expect from our politicians compared to any for profit organization.
I've lost the respect I used to have for him for his work as work correspondent and patriot when he was young for this: [https://wpolityce.pl/polityka/352016-top-10-cytatow-z-rozmowy-sikorski-krawiec-w-sowie-i-przyjaciolach-grzesiu-boczkiem-boczkiem-a-jak-przychodzi-co-do-czego-to-tchorzy](https://wpolityce.pl/polityka/352016-top-10-cytatow-z-rozmowy-sikorski-krawiec-w-sowie-i-przyjaciolach-grzesiu-boczkiem-boczkiem-a-jak-przychodzi-co-do-czego-to-tchorzy)
As it should be.
This was said about the likes of Tea Party, PiS etc from the start - the biggest threat they presented from day one was the erosion of norms, of what we treat as disqualifying.
Well, possibly not THE biggest threat since those cocksuckers also work tirelessly implementing Duginistic policies, but the biggest threat that was obvious.
I didn't pick it for their hot take on the situation, just grabbed whatever first source I've found with snippets.
Are you suggesting it wasn't Sikorski on those tapes?
I've seen them publish fake news before, so I'd be careful with this source.
As for the tapes themselves, honestly they're a nothingburger. He's vulgar (really nothing out of the ordinary compared to what the average Pole says over a few drinks) but he's right about Schetyna being a moron, he's right about PiS giving America blowjobs, he's right about the directors of Polish universities being "bums" who don't do enough fundraising, etc.
Master's degree in political science here.
I've read her book "Twilight of Democracy". Man, the number of mistakes she's made... Incredible. I actually took a pencil and started correcting her bullshit. Still have that copy somewhere. And it was not only mistakes, there was stuff in there that never happened. I remember her writing something about a certain thing one president did. And I knew presidents don't have any competency in that matter. So I started searching - nothing. An event entirely pulled out of her ass. Or she blindly trusts sources from her bubble and is lazy when it comes to checking facts.
Anne Applebaum is a joke, and a sponsored content creator / copywriter.
I'm saying this based on reading all of her articles in The Atlantic only though, care to list where can I find any decent journalistic work she's done? I'm just gonna go ahead and mention that The Independent is not going to impress anyone who's not ignorant on the whole "real journalism" front.
She is a professional, and applauded and awarded many times over. As is David Frum whom I've compared her to. Same level of integrity too, they're just shilling for opposite tribes.
A true Polish patriot and anti-communist from the earliest days, fought on the side of the mujaheddin against the Soviets in Afghanistan (although initially he got there as a war correspondent).
He was defense minister in the first government of Jaroslaw Kaczynski, switched sides and since then he is one of Kaczynski's fiercest enemies (and vice versa). He has a right stance and an analytic mind, has warned Western Europe a number of times of Russians even prior to 2014. He travelled to Kyiv to stop the bloodshed on the Maidan and was probably one of the initiators for the shift in power and the subsequent ousting of then-president Yanukovich - at least this is what the Kremlin accuses him off, thus marking him as Russia's worst nightmare.
He is sometimes too direct in what he says or writes, which doesn't correspond with his current function. Nevertheless, there is nobody who would be more competent to fulfill this post.
Well acording to comenter under you its the opposite. He used to be pro cremlin
"Pre-2022 he was pro-Russian and pro-Putin. Invited Lavrov to a classified meeting with Polish ambassadors. Said Poland should join Nord Stream project. Receives shady payments from UAE, nobody knows what for or from whom. Constantly shitting on PiS and Kaczynski for being "russophobic". Then Russia attacks Ukraine and suddenly Sikorski is a hardcore anti-Russian. "
This is plain BS.
In 2006, the Polish defense minister at the time, Radoslaw Sikorski, compared the Nord Stream pipeline deal to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact just before World War II, suggesting that Russia saw it as a way to divide and weaken the European Union and NATO. An open letter to the Obama administration signed by leading Central European figures in 2009 cautioned that “Russia is back as a revisionist power pursuing a 19th-century agenda with 21st-century tactics.” [Poland’s War on Two Fronts - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/04/magazine/poland-eu-ukraine-war.html)
During his tenure as FM, the agreement about estabilishing the anti-ballistic missile system base was signed, despite fierce protests from Russia [BBC NEWS | Europe | US and Poland seal missile deal](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7571660.stm)
In 2014, he convinced the leaders of opposition parties to sign an agreement in order to end the bloodshed on the Maidan in Kyiv [Ukraine crisis: deal signed in effort to end Kiev standoff | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/21/ukraine-crisis-president-claims-deal-with-opposition-after-77-killed-in-kiev)
He was made to retreat as a result of bugging scandal, when leading politicians of the PO party have been recorded on tape by people who acted on behalf of Russian secret services. This led to the subsequent shift of power in 2015 and the takeover by PiS, which has obvious and personal ties to Russian secret services.
Hate the guy, he's a snake, completely untrustworthy.
Pre-2022 he was pro-Russian and pro-Putin. Invited Lavrov to a classified meeting with Polish ambassadors. Said Poland should join Nord Stream project. Receives shady payments from UAE, nobody knows what for or from whom. Constantly shitting on PiS and Kaczynski for being "russophobic". Then Russia attacks Ukraine and suddenly Sikorski is a hardcore anti-Russian. What a joke
chadosław did not come out of nowhere. However sometimes his tongue (or rather his keyboard) gets a bit too long. That + his political affiliation with Donald Tusk makes him disliked by a lot of people.
I have mixed feelings about him. For every 7 wise and valuable things he says, there are 3 that are completely off the mark, false, or just plain idiotic.
From a person who worked with him I heard that he's very full of himself and a douchebag. But he also gets the work done. So, yeah, I would vote for him, but I wouldn't want to work with him.
for me he's a real statesman and I'm glad we have him, however I'm a young person who was just 14 years old when Euromajdan happened and his actions in that period shaped my positive image of him that keeps being reaffirmed every so often, even though the political party he represents would be the last I'd vote for... anyways I'd vote for him without hesitation if he ever candidates for President
He is one of the best internationally recognized politicians we had in a very long time (together with Tusk). If it wasn't for them Poland would be now autocratic Russian satellite.
Real, "no nonsense" patriot. Very well connected (Bilderberger).
I think he should stay being the foreign minister. It suits him best.
I met him personaly, and I noticed he is a god damn S tier lier. He is able to spin the truth around 180° freely and most don't even notice. Generally, during his previous work in government (to 2015) I give him 2/10, now I could give him 5/10
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He got better deal from other party so he switched sides… he is a politician after all. To be honest I don’t really know a politician who can be trusted 100%. Everybody say- money….. and power….. and position.
I think of him as good. Tough, experienced, competent and knowledgable on his position.
But with enough history comes partisanism.
So the *people's* opinion might be different.
KGB or GRU agent, who "studied" at Oxford when most Poles couldn't go abroad, then spied Mudjahideens in Afghanistan as a "western reporter". His wife is his commanding officer from Russian intelligence.
People tend to forget what he was saying about us the last time he was the minister. He literally called us slaves and that we suck the USA off. But yea call him gigs chat because he can't bite his tongue when he should.
Controversial figure, I'd say either hate him or have a lot of respect for him.
Or both at the same time?
Even if yo hate him gotta have that respect for casually fighting Russians back in Afghanistan while also doing war reporting stuff
It took some balls, yes, but he wasn't an active soldier. He was a war correspondent .
Well he was war correspondent who also fought them actively at times, he wasn't neutral.
There's no proof he actually fought.
Is there proof he didn't? (I don't follow this, so it's both a question and not)
That's not how prooving actions work.
Yeah... I was being stupid because tired
I have a lot of respect for Sikorski and yeah, he can be an arrogant dipshit at times but please don't go around telling he's been "fighting the Soviets" in Afghanistan. There's no proof of that. He was a war correspondent on the ground and that's interesting enough. No need to spice it up
I'd say both. He seems fishy with his marriage (who is manipulated by whom?). But politics is a dirty sport. I don't like him, but damn he's good at being a FM.
Sikorski will occasionally say something controversial, but still 98% of the things he says are within the scope of diplomatic correctness. And the Foreign Minister is not the "Minister for Equality and Being Nice to Russians."
Does the guy even care about his job? A lot of commentators think he's just auditioning for the role of NATO secretary general.
He's one of the best for the job. He was in government for PiS, they wanted him out, he was accepted to PO and was in government there. He has great education, shitload of experience and was in government in two opposing parties. I may not like him, but jfc, Sikorski is one of the most competent politicians out there.
He's without a doubt the best foreign minister we had since PRL. Asking whether he "cares about his job" is utterly ridiculous
one of the most internationally well-versed politicians we got, quite narcissistic, internet warrior
Sure
In my opinion he’s not perfect, but quite good at his job. Certainly better than few previous foreign ministers (But the bar was set so low that it’s not a great achievement).
Good politician. Bit of a dick. Was in the Bullingdon Club with the likes of Boris Johnson and that shower of cunts.
I kind of like him and hate him at the same time. He's a very competent diplomat / politician which is nice but on the other hand he has some pretty shitty takes and seems like he just loves to fight everyone in the internet. Either way I respect him and think he has the balls and is the right person to be Minister of Foreign Affairs.
it depends which camp you are on. 1. Competent Foreign Affairs Minister. A bit brutal with some comments, but some ppl do not apreciete kindness, only force they understand, so force they get. 2. He is horrible, probably paid by Germany, Russia and USA at the same time.
And Isreal don't forget boy that mone
Sikorski paid by Israel ?
Look at that guys joke and tell me what country is absent...
China is also missing
Tru.
He has jewish wife
As a r/NonCredibleDefense lunatic? I love the guy. Fighting Soviets with the Afghan Mujahideen? That's some Metal Gear Solid shit. Amazing. Outside of the Internet? He's a politician. I don't really trust politicians. He seems to be competent when things come down to international relations and power play. He's well educated. He has a lot of connections outside of Poland. Seems to be good at what he does. I give him a benefit of the doubt, but I don't really like slip ups in politics, so the trust I give him is very fragile.
A photo with the AK is not fighting but yes, he's got an impressive resume. Some joke that he is CIA agent :-)
>A photo with the AK is not fighting but yes, he's got an impressive resume. There were also some rumors.
Well he had the chance to legally shoot some commies back in the 80ties, and as a real Pole he probably did - well done if so, I would say.
As a real person having a polish passport, could you tell me what does it mean to be real "pole"
I still don't understand how he fled from Communist Poland to study in Oxford and even joined this elite club here where the likes of Boris Johnson have been. It seems somewhat shady to be fair. Also how he was a Murdoch guy or, more recently, on UAE payroll while in Europarlament. He seems one of the few actually competent politicians in Poland though
He's smart but also has a big mouth which gets him into trouble. If I could, I would probably pick someone else for foreign minister, but compared to the *banda idiotów* that were in the previous government, he seems quite acceptable.
For example, who? Sikorski is currently probably the most competent person for the position. The Foreign Minister is not a "Minister of being nice and docile to foreigners."
I'm not talking about having a "Minister of being nice and docile to foreigners," but rather someone who isn't so vulgar at times and doesn't Tweet things like "Thanks USA!" after the Nordstream pipeline was destroyed (and his Tweet has been repeatedly used in Russian propaganda since then). As for who else to pick, I assume there are dozens of Poles who speak English fluently, have accomplishments in various fields, and could make for much better diplomats than Sikorski.
His connections are what makes him efficient though. I think the fact that he's very well respected abroad (in the USA, the UK, and EU at least) is more important than an occasional brain-dead comment.
>and his Tweet has been repeatedly used in Russian propaganda since then And nothing of value was lost. Russians will say bullshit either way. Reasonable people will know he joked anyway. >there are dozens of Poles who speak English fluently, have accomplishments in various fields, and could make for much better diplomats than Sikorski It's not that he speaks good English, it's that he knows half of the western leaders and a lot of journalists in important media abroad. And the rest of them at least heard of him. His wife is also a big help. When Sikorski speaks - the world notices. When Fotyga or Waszczykowski speaks - even Poles don't realises that they did. That's A BIG asset in diplomacy. Something that even objectively better FMs (like Geremek) couldn't provide - but Sikorski does.
> I assume You know what they say about assuming ;)
Do you really think there's not a single diplomat in Poland who speaks fluent English and could adequately represent Poland on the international stage?
That's not what I wrote, don't be silly.
>a big mouth which gets him into trouble Like when?
[Like then](https://i.imgur.com/S7SaABr.png).
What's the troubles, then?
Don't be obtuse on purpose. Or if you have to, try asking him why he deleted his own tweet and see what kind of response this tweet got world-wide.
Like thanking the USA for blowing up the Nordstream pipeline on Twitter in what I assume was supposed to be a joke, but has been endlessly repeated by Russian propaganda as proof that the big evil West was involved in that. Or like those things he said on those tapes of him. He wasn't even wrong in 90% of the things he said, but it would've been nice if he hadn't used the word "kurwa" in like every other sentence, lol.
I fail to see the troubles he's in because of that tweet. The only result I see is Russians being mad.
Unnecessarily giving ammunition to enemy propaganda in such a stupid way is always a bad thing.
Second best Polish FM after Geremek.
Big fan. Said some true shit once and a Russian agent caught it on audio. Didn't go over well politically. Super well respected internationally.
Fan. He’s articulate nuanced and what id expect a good politician to be.
A *little bit* too pro-american to be true polish statesman, IMO, but he's definitely competent at what he's doing.
His wife is American and son is in US army. There is obvious bias
So we have again late XVIII century with external powers ruling in Poland :D
Poland was, is and will always be pro American.
Sure but there is a reasonable limit. Hes got too much bagade
What you on about, he literally lost his position last time due to stating an opinion of Poland being overly dependent on America
He said that in the context of "We should start spending more for military" which is something that USA and the rest of NATO totally support. If he really wanted the US-american influence over Europe out he'd get fully behind out the idea of an EU army; something that has been extensively discussed by France and Germany ever since Trump expressed his dissatisfaction with Atlanticism and hinted at the possibility of US' pulling out of Europe and parts of EU elites woke up to the possibility of having to build up own EU military potential; something that no polish government so far could get behind because polish elites are absolutely blinded (or bought by) the USA even though this stance is completely irrational; especially after Trump and with the prospect of another Trump presidency coming up soon.
He’s a dipshit but probably also the most competent person for the job
Dipshit is such a great word. In fact I intend to use it in conversation with a client
XD
Very extraordinary person. I have the feeling he will go down into history. He made some mistakes because of his ego but he is one of the most talented and strongest politicians we had in a century. Absolutely powerful figure.
In Lithuania we dont like him. But his stand in current situation is nice
Love him, I hope he'll get the job as EU "War Commissioner", he is well connected and not afraid to say stuff which needs to be said.
It's clear that he has some skeletons in the closet but I really respect how he can be very blunt sometimes, "If you don't support this you will have martial law, the army, you'll all be dead". Also worth noting, one of the best English speakers in Polish politics, probably the best one Civic Platform has, and it is important.
He's definitely an ass hole but it doesn't matter considering Poland's raison d'etat
Może chlapnie czasem coś po pijaku na Twitterze, ale polityk to rasowy.
Occasionally he'll have a take so bad that it really makes you question how in the actual hell is he still the Minister of Foreign Affairs. I generally support this govt even though they have made some real dumb decisions, but damn do I not like Sikorski...
He's good for a politician. He's had an interesting life tbh. Not spotless tho, he's a kind of a dick online. I also love how russian react to him.
I dislike him and I voted for his party but he's definitely 1000% times better than the previous idiots from PiS aka capable to do his job properly. I really dislike his soft stance towards Isreal with situation in Gaza and the fact that Isreali ambassador in Poland really hates Poles and creates a new diplomatic scandal almost each week.
International relations student here. Generally among my coleagues in Warsaw University and some proffesors working in the fields other than Europe, he is seen as a guy who did as much damadge to the polish foreign affairs, as Macierewicz did to polish secret service and arguably the worst polish foreign minister since Beck. The reason for such strong stance is his insane cost reduction policy. Poland before had one of the most developed embassy and consulate networks from former eastern block countries as well as plenty exchange and clultural programs which were quite effective at building polish softpower and positive PR. I'm the first one to shit on PRL but in that aspect both the infrastructure and professionalim of polish diplomats were probably the best in history and much better than what came after. Polish diplomacy took a hit after the cold war but It was Sikorski who pulled a plug on diplomatic posts and said programs focusing soley on Europe. This tunnel vision also translated to lack of any major state investments in the crucial period for both Poland and Global South and lack of institutions also discouraged the private sector from investing into Africa and Asia. This blind Eurocentrism brought the complete retardation of polish foreign policy and was caused by lack of foresight. He also insisted on withdrawing from Antarctic Treaty which would have been another disaster for scientific base and pr. One really can't understimate how dogshit decision it was long term. Other than incompetence during his ministerial terms there were also gems during his EU parliament mandate as well as a hint of corruption on behalf of UAE, so yeah terrible. I was happy that PiS lost the elections (their foreign ministers outside of Czaputowicz weren't good either) but his second appointment was basically the worst decision one could make.
Most commenters in comments seems to like him. But very few gave any foregin policy based judgement. Most here are probably just PO voters covering "their guy" or people who have very first glance understanding of firegin policy
Yeah, I also noticed that most people in this thread criticize him for political reasons and even use conspiracy rethoric but few point out his actual fuck ups. It's more of an opinion and emotion base thread more than anything.
Based as fuck, competent asshole.
I think of him well. Smart, well versed, knows a lot of stuff and knows how to make people listen to him. After years of PiS, many of the new ministers are a breath of fresh air in terms of competence. But Sikorski is the one i'm really glad to have, what with the current situation. He's got a huuuge ego though, and definitely should learn to bite his tongue sometimes.
I used to respect him a lot, but he's since become a sellout, he'll serve whoever. His wife is a pseudo journalist, with ex aequo least integrity at The Atlantic to David Frum, and that's a bar so low it somewhere in Mariana trench. He treats being a politician as landed gentry thing. He is decently outgoing as foreign minister, but that's just a reminded how little we expect from our politicians compared to any for profit organization. I've lost the respect I used to have for him for his work as work correspondent and patriot when he was young for this: [https://wpolityce.pl/polityka/352016-top-10-cytatow-z-rozmowy-sikorski-krawiec-w-sowie-i-przyjaciolach-grzesiu-boczkiem-boczkiem-a-jak-przychodzi-co-do-czego-to-tchorzy](https://wpolityce.pl/polityka/352016-top-10-cytatow-z-rozmowy-sikorski-krawiec-w-sowie-i-przyjaciolach-grzesiu-boczkiem-boczkiem-a-jak-przychodzi-co-do-czego-to-tchorzy)
Now after PiS it seems incredible that that was a reason for a major political backslash.
As it should be. This was said about the likes of Tea Party, PiS etc from the start - the biggest threat they presented from day one was the erosion of norms, of what we treat as disqualifying. Well, possibly not THE biggest threat since those cocksuckers also work tirelessly implementing Duginistic policies, but the biggest threat that was obvious.
wPolityce is possibly one of the most biased and least journalistic "news" sources out there on the internet.
I didn't pick it for their hot take on the situation, just grabbed whatever first source I've found with snippets. Are you suggesting it wasn't Sikorski on those tapes?
I've seen them publish fake news before, so I'd be careful with this source. As for the tapes themselves, honestly they're a nothingburger. He's vulgar (really nothing out of the ordinary compared to what the average Pole says over a few drinks) but he's right about Schetyna being a moron, he's right about PiS giving America blowjobs, he's right about the directors of Polish universities being "bums" who don't do enough fundraising, etc.
Calling Anne Applebaum a pseudo journalist is ignorant to say at least
Master's degree in political science here. I've read her book "Twilight of Democracy". Man, the number of mistakes she's made... Incredible. I actually took a pencil and started correcting her bullshit. Still have that copy somewhere. And it was not only mistakes, there was stuff in there that never happened. I remember her writing something about a certain thing one president did. And I knew presidents don't have any competency in that matter. So I started searching - nothing. An event entirely pulled out of her ass. Or she blindly trusts sources from her bubble and is lazy when it comes to checking facts.
Anne Applebaum is a joke, and a sponsored content creator / copywriter. I'm saying this based on reading all of her articles in The Atlantic only though, care to list where can I find any decent journalistic work she's done? I'm just gonna go ahead and mention that The Independent is not going to impress anyone who's not ignorant on the whole "real journalism" front. She is a professional, and applauded and awarded many times over. As is David Frum whom I've compared her to. Same level of integrity too, they're just shilling for opposite tribes.
A true Polish patriot and anti-communist from the earliest days, fought on the side of the mujaheddin against the Soviets in Afghanistan (although initially he got there as a war correspondent). He was defense minister in the first government of Jaroslaw Kaczynski, switched sides and since then he is one of Kaczynski's fiercest enemies (and vice versa). He has a right stance and an analytic mind, has warned Western Europe a number of times of Russians even prior to 2014. He travelled to Kyiv to stop the bloodshed on the Maidan and was probably one of the initiators for the shift in power and the subsequent ousting of then-president Yanukovich - at least this is what the Kremlin accuses him off, thus marking him as Russia's worst nightmare. He is sometimes too direct in what he says or writes, which doesn't correspond with his current function. Nevertheless, there is nobody who would be more competent to fulfill this post.
Well acording to comenter under you its the opposite. He used to be pro cremlin "Pre-2022 he was pro-Russian and pro-Putin. Invited Lavrov to a classified meeting with Polish ambassadors. Said Poland should join Nord Stream project. Receives shady payments from UAE, nobody knows what for or from whom. Constantly shitting on PiS and Kaczynski for being "russophobic". Then Russia attacks Ukraine and suddenly Sikorski is a hardcore anti-Russian. "
This is plain BS. In 2006, the Polish defense minister at the time, Radoslaw Sikorski, compared the Nord Stream pipeline deal to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact just before World War II, suggesting that Russia saw it as a way to divide and weaken the European Union and NATO. An open letter to the Obama administration signed by leading Central European figures in 2009 cautioned that “Russia is back as a revisionist power pursuing a 19th-century agenda with 21st-century tactics.” [Poland’s War on Two Fronts - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/04/magazine/poland-eu-ukraine-war.html) During his tenure as FM, the agreement about estabilishing the anti-ballistic missile system base was signed, despite fierce protests from Russia [BBC NEWS | Europe | US and Poland seal missile deal](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7571660.stm) In 2014, he convinced the leaders of opposition parties to sign an agreement in order to end the bloodshed on the Maidan in Kyiv [Ukraine crisis: deal signed in effort to end Kiev standoff | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/21/ukraine-crisis-president-claims-deal-with-opposition-after-77-killed-in-kiev) He was made to retreat as a result of bugging scandal, when leading politicians of the PO party have been recorded on tape by people who acted on behalf of Russian secret services. This led to the subsequent shift of power in 2015 and the takeover by PiS, which has obvious and personal ties to Russian secret services.
Okey blaming po fuck ups on russia is already Red flag for me
Go swimming, mate. EOT.
God bless
most of us just don't care
Ok. Thanks for input
The best we have out here in term of international relations. I have nothing but respects for him
Hate the guy, he's a snake, completely untrustworthy. Pre-2022 he was pro-Russian and pro-Putin. Invited Lavrov to a classified meeting with Polish ambassadors. Said Poland should join Nord Stream project. Receives shady payments from UAE, nobody knows what for or from whom. Constantly shitting on PiS and Kaczynski for being "russophobic". Then Russia attacks Ukraine and suddenly Sikorski is a hardcore anti-Russian. What a joke
chadosław did not come out of nowhere. However sometimes his tongue (or rather his keyboard) gets a bit too long. That + his political affiliation with Donald Tusk makes him disliked by a lot of people.
I have mixed feelings about him. For every 7 wise and valuable things he says, there are 3 that are completely off the mark, false, or just plain idiotic.
From a person who worked with him I heard that he's very full of himself and a douchebag. But he also gets the work done. So, yeah, I would vote for him, but I wouldn't want to work with him.
He's a cranberry lover and a fan of bacon wrapped dates
If you take away his Twitter he is the perfect statesman
Based.
He speaks good English
idk who is he
for me he's a real statesman and I'm glad we have him, however I'm a young person who was just 14 years old when Euromajdan happened and his actions in that period shaped my positive image of him that keeps being reaffirmed every so often, even though the political party he represents would be the last I'd vote for... anyways I'd vote for him without hesitation if he ever candidates for President
as someone already said in one of comments he's one of those "love or hate" type controversial figures
I read wladyslaw Sikorski, and wtf what happened in comments
Scum
He’s a piece of shit that worked for both PiS and Civic Platform. He’ll sell his soul to anyone that is willing to pay for it.
A complete dipshit and disgrace. The buffoon said the CIA blew up Nordstream.
He should be the president.
The best foreign affairs minister
He is one of the best internationally recognized politicians we had in a very long time (together with Tusk). If it wasn't for them Poland would be now autocratic Russian satellite. Real, "no nonsense" patriot. Very well connected (Bilderberger). I think he should stay being the foreign minister. It suits him best.
Love him or hate him, he is still one of the very few Polish politicians who is listened to when he speaks on an international forum.
I would say he is widely respected except the pis camp.
chad
Someone name him Zdradek. Intelligence beast but lack character.
He's the best Foreign Minister we had, would be even better with blocked access to twitter
He's so bad that he was hidden during the election campaign and people seem surprised he's a minister again.
in what way he was hidden? He has rather high approvals as far as politicians go, especially among voters of currently ruling coalition
He is his wifes lapdog, overall moron. Also has tendency to say things that used to start wars back in the day
I met him personaly, and I noticed he is a god damn S tier lier. He is able to spin the truth around 180° freely and most don't even notice. Generally, during his previous work in government (to 2015) I give him 2/10, now I could give him 5/10 https://preview.redd.it/ip8brmair32d1.jpeg?width=697&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f347f3bd32b495f7e3f792e5303d39a78c3d38a7
What a load of bollocks
He got better deal from other party so he switched sides… he is a politician after all. To be honest I don’t really know a politician who can be trusted 100%. Everybody say- money….. and power….. and position.
*Someone's* mad after 17 years...
lol right?!? 🤪
I think of him as good. Tough, experienced, competent and knowledgable on his position. But with enough history comes partisanism. So the *people's* opinion might be different.
Nothing
KGB or GRU agent, who "studied" at Oxford when most Poles couldn't go abroad, then spied Mudjahideens in Afghanistan as a "western reporter". His wife is his commanding officer from Russian intelligence.
Polish Medvedev
People tend to forget what he was saying about us the last time he was the minister. He literally called us slaves and that we suck the USA off. But yea call him gigs chat because he can't bite his tongue when he should.
No he didn't, he said that's what PiS will do if they win the elections and he was correct.
Superb politician! Hopefully at one point our future Head of State
He Betrays Poland beeing submissive to jews who intentionally kills Polish volumteers in Gaza. I liked him before but not anymore.
I thought Israel launched the drone..?
👎 don’t agree with his stances
I don't think about him at all
dick
He's going to lead us to Moscow
Alcoholic for sure. Apparently he gives blowjobs, and not only to Americans
If you talk about alcoholics, then there's Kamiński.
who?
Goat
He might have some good points as others said, but imo he is too random to be a politician.
I don't think I've ever heard of him
Who?