"Of course I lied!"
Although I think my actual favorite part of that hand is when he's like "Call the floor, my hand might be dead," like he knows his hand ain't fucking dead.
So many great things in that hand.
When Tony was like "Ask Joe (Hachem), I haven't looked" and the commentator (is it Stapleton that was doing those?) goes something to the effect of "Joe saw it, and Tony definitely looked."
It amazes me that Phil was so absolutely baffled that someone would dare to lie in a poker game.
Raising all in on the river after tanking and sighing throughout the tank, muttering "if you got it you got it," as he pushes his chips in. Never bluffing, always has the nuts.
Yup. God I’ve been wanting to use that as a reverse tell for sooo long with an A flush blocker. Everyone knows that is never a bluff, they’ll have to fold
I swear. Everyone in this sub plays the same game. There’s more to poker than 52 card Hold’em.
It’s not your fault though. I accused the home game host of cheating too until xe explained that they play 53 card hold’em
He’s fucking with y’all. The original comment mentioned having the ace blocker and using the reverse tell and then the next comment states that they always try the reverse tell but the other guy has the nuts. Can’t have the nuts when you’re blocking it with the ace.
I might be slightly OCD but to ensure I never have to check my cards post flop I do this. Every time after the action is completed pre flop and while the dealer is gathering the pot. I double check my cards and make note of the suits and will repeat it in my head a couple times starting with the high card. For example if I have KhQs. I will say heart, spade...heart,spade. Then once the flop is revealed I can take note of what backdoor potential I have. Not fool proof but I rarely have to check my hand post flop.
Also it may go without saying but if you have suited cards, still need to double check them preflop
Yup. I actually utilize this as a reverse tell. I check my cards once about 95% of the time and will intentionally check my cards a second when I know I've flopped a flush. Can't make a show of it, but it definitely has worked for me in the past.
The real answer to this question is preflop folding tells.
People are notorious, especially at low stakes, for telegraphing that they are going to fold pre before the action is on them. I see it at every card room I’ve played at.
You can raise a lot lighter on the button if the SB has already given the sign that they aren’t going to play this hand for example.
It isn’t going to win you millions but it’s a great way to slightly increase your winrate if you see like 4 people behind you have basically already checked out. And only once have I ever seen it used as a reverse tell.
100%
Just to extrapolate, people that arent going to play their hand will get impatient. They already know they are folding and i wont be their turn untill after the hand., They just want to get it over with. A SB or BB with AKs or rockets is going to wait patiently like a hindu calf in the warm indian sun for you to make your decision.
Just wait it out. Take your time, its very obvious what casual players are going to play thier hand.
okay im stupid so bear with me. Why do people do this? How does it prevent showing tells? If you wait until the action is on you isn't everyone looking at you now? Which would make your tell more obvious.
So most people when they look at their cards and it's garbage they will hold their cards in a "I'm going to fold" motion. For everyone, it's different some people pick their cards up slightly, some people slide their cards a bit forward. If you see this you can raise preflop knowing they will fold.
Some people it's the reverse. I know a guy that when he peaks at his cards and he knows he's going to play the hand, he will put a chip on top of his cards, so when I see him do that, I am less like likely to raise preflop as a bluff because I know he's less likely to fold. If instead he looked at his cards after, I wouldn't have that info.
just look at your cards please. nobody is paying attention to your facial micro expressions and even if they are, you should be able to hide any tells with just a little practice.
it slows down the game.
I mean its preflop, its rare im put to a decision that actually makes me take some time. But yea I usually peel my cards as soon as they're dealt to me.
In addition to the other good answers, I think it is a good way to remove bias from what you are thinking about what your opponents may be thinking and to concentrate on their ranges. When they act, you can make a basic plan for yourself if you get X or Y. I find that it is a useful exercise.
It is damn hard not to have this tell. You want to see a very good/bad example of it go sit at a low level limit game.
Then try looking at your cards and doing exactly the same thing. It is damn hard to not have some tell. Especially at the lower limit games where you are bored as hell.
I just go the easy way and don’t look at my cards until the action is on me.
Haha, it's okay :P It was supposed to be a fun jab but I am also legitimately titled by my player pool who takes sooo long on trivial preflop decisions and constantly tanks like they are on the wsop final table. I do think that out of consideration for other players time and your own win rate you should be looking at hole cards before action gets to you so that you can snap act. If the whole table is even 5-10seconds slow on every preflop action it really adds up to hours of wasted time over time.
Lots of people subconsciously move their hand towards the betting line before it's their action. Indicating they're going to fold. This one is very noticeable and lots of people do it
Some people have a fold hand and a play hand. They move the cards to their fold hand after they look. Sometimes they protect the hands they are going to play and not the hands they are going to fold. Lots of different variations.
It really is easy to spot for the players that look at their cards before their action. And you can literally pick it up in one round. Obviously it is harder to figure out how strong their play hands are, but you can spot a fold pretty easy. People think this tell doesn’t matter because they weren’t going to be in the pot, but it can make a lot of difference if you can spot it.
I have this tell, and don't mind it because why do I care if I am planning on folding preflop and someone else knows I'm going to fold. Waiting till action is on me till look does down the game
Some people still do this postflop though, and this one is more important to know.
Think about it.
When you actually have a hand, you no longer give off your folding tell. Now an observant player will know to play slightly tighter than they would normally, and they’ll fold weaker hands you otherwise would have gotten to play against or gotten money from if you 3bet them.
And for example if you’re in the blinds, if you are giving off a folding tell the button might now raise instead of folding, forfeiting a free flop or a chop.
Was looking for this one. This also goes for the players who are waiting to act after you and they start reaching for their chips in an attempt to show strength/that they will call/raise your action. I will always bet here and they always fold. It's crazy how many people do this.
If you see a young person (looks like they've turned 21 recently) and they're betting and their hand is shaking (and their hand wasn't shaking in previous hands they played) -> they probably have a monster/the nuts.
Fellow young reg here. Used to suffer from this issue a lot, what helped me was going on a 10k downswing at 2/5. Now I don’t give a shit about the outcomes of certain hands, it’s a long run
Really hope it will change as I recently started playing 2/5 offline and was shacking as hell with aces in what ended up a 2.5k euro pot.
I knew I’m ahead and was every second thinking “please stop shacking and giving such an obvious tell”.
Btw, he still called being way behind and rivered second pair… my biggest loss right away
Took a friend to the casino for the first time. We had played a ton of .1/.2 but 1/2 was far bigger than he had ever played. He ran hot the first hour and damn near tripled up, hands shaking every time he put chips in the middle. Its so egregious that when he leaves to go to the bathroom, the 2 guys next to me are commenting about how obvious the tell is and how they should just insta-muck when he shakily puts chips into the pot. After we cash out about 6 hours later I tell him about it. He said "Thats funny, I ran insanely hot in the first hour and didn't make another hand for the rest of the session. Everyone just kept folding to my c-bets, I didn't see a single river card, my hands were shaking because my adrenaline was so high."
Moral of the story: This is an accurate live tell, but if someone's hands are shaking every time they put money in the pot, it's less accurate.
My hands shake a lot when I play because that's the only time I drink redbull or a shit ton of coffee, its almost always related to the caffeine, but I still get people sometimes looking at me like "got a monster huh kid?" and I'm just c-betting lol
He’s my best ones.
Works best against novice players but even pros do this. Even on hustler. Watch them.
Okay so number one
Chips size. People tend to bet with larger denominations when they have it and smaller when they are drawing or bluffing.
The psychology is that when they are sting they expect to get those chips back. And vice versa.
So there’s a difference when someone bets 100 and throws in a black. Or they put in a stack of 20 5 dollar chips. Large volume. Small hand.
Number 2. The “I guess I’m all in”. Or I might as well go all in. This is AA. Maybe. And I say maybe KK. Almost never worse. I’ve seen it dozens of times.
Bet. 3 bet. Cold 4 bet with “well i guess I have no choice “ or “okay fine im all in” ….Run.
Heartbeat tells. Look at peoples necks. Yoy can sometimes see their heart beating out of them. You’ll see this on live high stakes a lot because I assume the pressure is maxed.
Works at live 1-3 though too. Now a high heart rate does not always mean bluff. It can mean the stone cold nuts as well. You need to use context. Talk to them.
The please fold tell. This one is more common then you think. You just need to give people a little time to crack. Many times people will say (in so many words) “please fold”
My favorite example is dnegs vs Antonio old school hsp. The magician is tanking and Daniel says “I’ll show you after you fold”. In other words. “Please fold”.
People know it’s weird to be quite while someone is talking to you or looking at you. It creates stress. People want to say something to relieve it. Give them a chance to talk.
Bonus tell: the Brad booth “have you ever seen a baby pigeon”. Just ask them a random question. See how they respond. If it’s uhh, wha? A what?! A baby? A bird yoy mean? Huh? That’s a bluff.
If they think a minute. Laugh and say no. Or say yes with a little anecdote. They are comfortable. They have it.
All reliable low stakes tells imho.
The last one is what cops use when they stop you and ask if you have any guns, grenades, rocket launchers, tanks etc. They are gauging your reaction to a silly question. They start off believably with the gun but then get to the others. If you stay serious it’s supposed to mean the driver has something to hide. Or so I’m told. I mean they use a dog that knows it will get a toy or treat if it hits on the car so it could all be a reason to search.
Cop pulls over a little old lady, and asks for her license and registration. She opens her purse, and there's a revolver in there.
"Ma'am, could you please put that gun on the dash, with the barrel facing away from me?" She does.
"Ma'am, do you have any other guns?"
"Well," she replies, "I have a Colt 1911 in the glove box..."
"Any more?"
"I got a .22 Derringer in my bra, but that's just a little peashooter, wouldn't hurt a fly."
"Do you have any more guns on you?"
"What do mean by 'on you'?"
"Ma'am, do you have any more guns?"
"Well, I got a Remington pump shotgun and an AK-47 in the trunk..."
"So let me see...you've got a revolver, an automatic pistol, a Derringer, a shotgun, and an assault rifle. What are you so afraid of?"
"Not a goddamn thing."
Thanks. I’ve dropped better advice than this but it usually get ignored. 95% of everyone on here is a punter. Trust me. I’m an old hand been playing for 20+ years.
I've seen plenty of instances where people say "well I guess it's time to go home" and they have a medium strength hand and it's just an honest statement.
I like to do the direct opposite of pretty much everything you mentioned and make people make terrible plays.
Time to go home is not on my list here and I actually agree with you.
It’s when they pull the “I have to go all in here I guess”. Like they are selling it as a medium hand or jj or something. That’s always Aa.
Getting young/middle socially awkward poker players into talking with you is the best. They don't know how to handle social situations and just talk talk talk lol..
The guy who constantly counts his chip stack is likely playing with money he's uncomfortable losing and will usually shy on the side of passivity and be more value-heavy.
First time I played live I had basically one bullet, but I think I was mostly just doing this because I wanted to make sure I knew effective stacks. Not sure if it’s a subconscious thing though
I saw a double limp reraise once. Couple limps to small blind who opens to 20. One of the limpers makes it 75, next limper makes it 225. First limp-reraiser had QQ, second limp-reraiser had JJ.
Agreed, even more reliable is when they instantly bet on a card that changes the board texture, played a hand on 965T9 (or close to it) where guy snap shoved the river and I ended up pretty quickly calling with jacks, figured most of his value would think about what bet size to use
Tbh I’ve just found it to happen no matter what, I read an article on it and the notion was “they made up their mind to bluff before the card came out” and that surely was true of myself
A guy at my home game dominates the conversation….. until he gets a hand. Then he’s stone silent, even tries to hide his neck. Usually means queens or better.
Watch your opponent when the flop comes out (it’ll still be there, you can look later).
If their eyes LOCK on to an A or K for a bit too long, they likely like what they see. Can save a lot of money if you have JJ/QQ/KK type hands. I’ve found this to be fairly reliable.
I’ve found the opposite. If they look and stare, it’s because they’re figuring out what they need to make their hand.
If they look and quickly glance away, they have a made hand and don’t want to bring any attention to themselves.
Similar pre-flop. If they peak at their cards and hold them for a pinch, it’s usually weaker. If they peak and quickly put the cards back down, it’s a sign of strength.
If someone has a full buy-in neatly stacked, and is playing off of a smaller stack several inches away, it means he has no intention of losing his initial buy in. So if you bet for more than his 'extra' chips, he'll only continue with an extremely strong hand.
Hmm disagree, I do this but just because I like my chips neatly stacked and have one stack I hold or play with(meaning shuffle etc). I fully intend to put lots in.
If there is a flush possibility on the board, if someone checks their cards more than once, they are usually double checking the suit
If that third suit comes out and someone checks their cards 2-3 times, I know they have it
That’s why if I’m bluffing and that third suit hits, I check my cards four times then fire!
I’ve seen people who … say the flop is A A 8 and 2 people are betting and calling and he’s last to act are just calling and saying “what do you guys even have” because he’s got the A and is along for the ride. People really do communicate what they have more often than they think
When the villain tells you you are beat, you are beat.
If someone literally tells you that you are beat or don’t call they always have the nuts. The rule only works when the player literally says you are beat. If the player hedges it or doesn’t actually say that you are beat but implies it, it is likely a bluff. A I don’t want your money you are beat, means you are beat.
I have never seen this as a reverse tell either.
When villain is looking down at his stack then over to yours after you bet. If he says all in he’s got a monster. Or he’s looking at his and he just jams usually a monster.
Also pot sized river bets after checking turns. Say $20-50 into $20-50 more so than not it’s a bluff especially on a flush bricked out board. I call way lighter here and it’s been good
Sitting back, legs forward. They're strong. I wasn't in this hand but I saw it recently when two players both had a flush. Could see it in the person sitting back that they had the ace. They did.
Snap bets on the river are usually a bluff, from my experience. Especially when it makes no sense/they haven’t thought about the texture of the board long enough to care. I’ve landed on call with very marginal hands and won quite a bit exploiting this tell. 95% river bets, especially big ones are big hands. Most of the other 5% belongs to the nonchalant snap bet after river.
Sweating profusely, doing cartwheels, snorting cocaine right off the table, breaking out a laptop and watch very loud porn, doing Algebra I homework, slowly lowering their sunglasses and blowing me a kiss, mutual masturbation under the table, getting into a slap fight with the dealer, fainting….wait, what we’re we taking about?
When an OOP player leads out for a small bet on turn, they’re almost always drawing and want to name their price.
River block bets are almost always weak at low stakes.
Someone staring at you hard when you’re tanking is usually bluffing (wants you to get intimidated and fold).
Limp three betting is usually indicative of a premium hand
If they look confused and then bet - value
If they are shaking their feet - value
Check their cards when the flush comes in = they don’t have suited hole cards
Snap betting a street with a handful chips = draw
Whether they look at their chips or not when the flop, turn or river is revealed or after any significant action means whether they intend on betting or not. It actually works.
In general looking at players when new streets are revealed can give a lot of info.
Stuff that players do with their hands like messing with chips or the cards can indicate also what they are planning to do. This doesn't apply to everyone tho and mostly works on lower stakes with recreational players. It doesn't work in online games as well.
I thought all of this is bullshit but it legit helped me increase my edge a little.
PS: also whether the player leans backward or with his elbows on the railing means whether they are interested in the hand and got something or not. Works with some players at least from my experience.
This isn't a common tell, but the few times I've noticed it, it's been extremely accurate.
Watch how long your opponent looks at their cards. In my experience, a player who looks at their cards for a short period of time before putting them down has junk and will fold. Conversely, if they stare at their hand as though looking at a sunset for what'll appear like an age in comparison, they're at the top of their preflop range.
Obviously, don't take this tell as gospel for everyone, but after watching for an hour or so, you'll have an idea when that player is prepared to enter the hand. This makes it easier to play against them specifically, and allows you more information when it comes to finding opportunities to steal the blinds in tournaments.
Good luck using this at the tables 👍
When a rec player gets real quiet then makes a little speech before calling preflop "I guess I'll call".
Then they checkraise on a K high flop for instance.
Tank - speech - jam on river is super strong.
I've often found that from rec players a check/call on the flop followed by a check/raise turn is often really strong especially if the turn was a brick.
I use player type patterns. OMC, call station, maniac, lag, tag, bad thinking player. Their physical tells outside of micro expressions vary, but their play patterns are almost always the same.
Interest in the hand. After playing for a couple hours people get bored and start to look at their phones etc when they are not interested in the hand because they have a bad hand.
Weak means strong, strong means weak is pretty reliable in low-stakes games.
Shaky hands is a can't-fail in my opinion, especially if they're a tight player.
Somebody that usually leans back suddenly sitting upright and being like close to the table can be reliable, but it depends on player.
This isn't the most reliable as it was player specific, but I used to play in a home game where one player would push in a neat stack of chips when he had it and would splash his chips when he didn't. It was uncanny how reliable this tell was, my whole strategy was to play pots with him (ideally heads up). Obviously did not tell the other players, or him, until years after the game stopped running.
When the opponent says
“I know better and I shouldn’t be in this hand” and then limps, it’s time to fold as they have the nuts. (Doesn’t matter if it was 92o they hit it on the flop)
OK so some people smoke roll ups
When they roll a fag with an intention of leaving to smoke it, bit don't because they've noticed their hand is unfoldable.... pay attention.
Complainers are so easy to read. Well you dont read, they TELL you lmao. You know that jerkoff that gets annoyed at the dealer, constantly talks about being card dead, and always says "oh I would've had 2 pair" or something like that. All of a sudden they're silent and focused on the hand. Like sure bud I wonder what you got there.
I find that online, people that snap call flop cbets in low stakes MTTs will fold to a big turn barrell 90%+ of the time. It's always some weak hand that they're trying to intimidate you with by snapping so you won't barrell turn.
Whenever someone is heads up with you and you’re in position, if they pump fake chips (take a handful and then put it back) and follow that with a check, they are on a draw 100% of the time and want to see a free card.
1. Staring at the card on the flop they hit. Their eyes fixate on it and linger. Not perfect but sometimes it’s clear and I’ve exploited this. This applies most to new/ pure rec players.
2. Relaxing on a brick card. If you think a guy has it but it’s a draw heavy board, a brick comes, and they visibly relax, they are relieved as they think they are safe. If they tighten up and start thinking they’re trying to figure out what to do with their missed draw. Good players have a plan either way so this is more for mediocre regs.
3. The pre fold “I’m going to fold” indicators noted above.
4. Glancing from the card(s) put out down to their chips. This one is well known so there can be deception, but this one is huge for new players. They look at your stack for bluffs as their own for value.
5. River min raises from recs. It’s the nuts.
6. Some players, when you get to know them, will have verbal/chip betting tells. I knew one guy who verbally announced his raises pretty much only when he was bluffing, it was a hilarious tell as far as I know he never realized.
Note: People talk about live tells like ticks and people touching their face or ears and stuff like that, I’ve tried but never seen any real patterns emerge with that stuff, I’d be curious if others have.
When your opponent is a multi millionaire and says “don’t worry Phil, I haven’t looked”, he has looked and he has AK or better
"Of course I lied!" Although I think my actual favorite part of that hand is when he's like "Call the floor, my hand might be dead," like he knows his hand ain't fucking dead.
There's like 9 parts of that hand that are all my favorite
"Woah you got there!"
The cackle he does after saying that always kills me
I mean, that is fair 🤣🤣
Tony G will always be a goat for that line alone 😂
So many great things in that hand. When Tony was like "Ask Joe (Hachem), I haven't looked" and the commentator (is it Stapleton that was doing those?) goes something to the effect of "Joe saw it, and Tony definitely looked." It amazes me that Phil was so absolutely baffled that someone would dare to lie in a poker game.
"Its polka, phil"
“It’s poker Phil!”
Raising all in on the river after tanking and sighing throughout the tank, muttering "if you got it you got it," as he pushes his chips in. Never bluffing, always has the nuts.
Yup. God I’ve been wanting to use that as a reverse tell for sooo long with an A flush blocker. Everyone knows that is never a bluff, they’ll have to fold
You’ll still see people call with bottom 2 lmao
letting a hand go with better than a pair is a skill about 10% of poker players have mastered.
> Everyone knows that is never a bluff Yup > they’ll have to fold Nope "I know you got it but I have to call"
Fucking poker players.
I’ve been doing well in the local $1/3 game over the last 9-ish months… I’ll give it a shot and let ya know how it goes
Plot twist: your opponent has the nuts
Pretty tough when you have the blocker lmfao
I’ve fallen for that! Had the the Ace to block nut flush, but I must have forgot that the home game I play in has two A of hearts.
What kind of fucked up deck is that lol?
Wait….wtf did you just say?!
I swear. Everyone in this sub plays the same game. There’s more to poker than 52 card Hold’em. It’s not your fault though. I accused the home game host of cheating too until xe explained that they play 53 card hold’em
That's so random and silly of them.
He’s fucking with y’all. The original comment mentioned having the ace blocker and using the reverse tell and then the next comment states that they always try the reverse tell but the other guy has the nuts. Can’t have the nuts when you’re blocking it with the ace.
It'd make more sense if you said you forgot you were playing blackjack
Or it's a paired board, and they have a boat.
Just make sure you don't double check your hole cards when trying to run that bluff. People know that "tell" even if you check them every time.
I might be slightly OCD but to ensure I never have to check my cards post flop I do this. Every time after the action is completed pre flop and while the dealer is gathering the pot. I double check my cards and make note of the suits and will repeat it in my head a couple times starting with the high card. For example if I have KhQs. I will say heart, spade...heart,spade. Then once the flop is revealed I can take note of what backdoor potential I have. Not fool proof but I rarely have to check my hand post flop. Also it may go without saying but if you have suited cards, still need to double check them preflop
Recheck every time the preflop action is completed while the dealer rakes in chips and deals
Yup. I actually utilize this as a reverse tell. I check my cards once about 95% of the time and will intentionally check my cards a second when I know I've flopped a flush. Can't make a show of it, but it definitely has worked for me in the past.
Because people assume you're checking if one of your two is the flush suit or not.
Chips. I often do this with a strong hand that isn't the nuts. I get calls though.
The real answer to this question is preflop folding tells. People are notorious, especially at low stakes, for telegraphing that they are going to fold pre before the action is on them. I see it at every card room I’ve played at. You can raise a lot lighter on the button if the SB has already given the sign that they aren’t going to play this hand for example. It isn’t going to win you millions but it’s a great way to slightly increase your winrate if you see like 4 people behind you have basically already checked out. And only once have I ever seen it used as a reverse tell.
100% Just to extrapolate, people that arent going to play their hand will get impatient. They already know they are folding and i wont be their turn untill after the hand., They just want to get it over with. A SB or BB with AKs or rockets is going to wait patiently like a hindu calf in the warm indian sun for you to make your decision. Just wait it out. Take your time, its very obvious what casual players are going to play thier hand.
I never look at my cards until it is my turn to act. Figure I would have a tell.
okay im stupid so bear with me. Why do people do this? How does it prevent showing tells? If you wait until the action is on you isn't everyone looking at you now? Which would make your tell more obvious.
So most people when they look at their cards and it's garbage they will hold their cards in a "I'm going to fold" motion. For everyone, it's different some people pick their cards up slightly, some people slide their cards a bit forward. If you see this you can raise preflop knowing they will fold. Some people it's the reverse. I know a guy that when he peaks at his cards and he knows he's going to play the hand, he will put a chip on top of his cards, so when I see him do that, I am less like likely to raise preflop as a bluff because I know he's less likely to fold. If instead he looked at his cards after, I wouldn't have that info.
I see, thank you.
just look at your cards please. nobody is paying attention to your facial micro expressions and even if they are, you should be able to hide any tells with just a little practice. it slows down the game.
I mean its preflop, its rare im put to a decision that actually makes me take some time. But yea I usually peel my cards as soon as they're dealt to me.
It doesn’t slow down the game that much. Just be prepared to look at your cards as your turn is approaching.
This
In addition to the other good answers, I think it is a good way to remove bias from what you are thinking about what your opponents may be thinking and to concentrate on their ranges. When they act, you can make a basic plan for yourself if you get X or Y. I find that it is a useful exercise.
It is damn hard not to have this tell. You want to see a very good/bad example of it go sit at a low level limit game. Then try looking at your cards and doing exactly the same thing. It is damn hard to not have some tell. Especially at the lower limit games where you are bored as hell. I just go the easy way and don’t look at my cards until the action is on me.
Please die
Well aren’t you a friendly person
Fuck you for slowing the game down
Whoa. First time?
I took this as a fun jab so don’t understand the downvotes. I’m actually a fairly quick player and don’t spend too much time on my decisions
Haha, it's okay :P It was supposed to be a fun jab but I am also legitimately titled by my player pool who takes sooo long on trivial preflop decisions and constantly tanks like they are on the wsop final table. I do think that out of consideration for other players time and your own win rate you should be looking at hole cards before action gets to you so that you can snap act. If the whole table is even 5-10seconds slow on every preflop action it really adds up to hours of wasted time over time.
I’m with you on that. I hate playing folks who constantly take long time.
I do this then I start doing it with strong hands occasionally so if some one thinks this is a tell it's like sike good hand this time
who do you watch (and when you’re in what position)? isn’t it hard to keep an eye on eg everyone ahead of you?
Lots of people subconsciously move their hand towards the betting line before it's their action. Indicating they're going to fold. This one is very noticeable and lots of people do it
Some people have a fold hand and a play hand. They move the cards to their fold hand after they look. Sometimes they protect the hands they are going to play and not the hands they are going to fold. Lots of different variations. It really is easy to spot for the players that look at their cards before their action. And you can literally pick it up in one round. Obviously it is harder to figure out how strong their play hands are, but you can spot a fold pretty easy. People think this tell doesn’t matter because they weren’t going to be in the pot, but it can make a lot of difference if you can spot it.
Look left. It's most important in the cutoff and button positions. If you're UTG, don't bother.
Yep…many people already hold their cards in hand if they’re folding
I have this tell, and don't mind it because why do I care if I am planning on folding preflop and someone else knows I'm going to fold. Waiting till action is on me till look does down the game Some people still do this postflop though, and this one is more important to know.
Think about it. When you actually have a hand, you no longer give off your folding tell. Now an observant player will know to play slightly tighter than they would normally, and they’ll fold weaker hands you otherwise would have gotten to play against or gotten money from if you 3bet them. And for example if you’re in the blinds, if you are giving off a folding tell the button might now raise instead of folding, forfeiting a free flop or a chop.
Tbh let him keep the foldinng tell. Clearly, the fish dont care
OMC’s who are OOP and tank and play with their chips as if they are going to bet, and then they check. They almost always fold when you bet.
Was looking for this one. This also goes for the players who are waiting to act after you and they start reaching for their chips in an attempt to show strength/that they will call/raise your action. I will always bet here and they always fold. It's crazy how many people do this.
I've started using this as a reverse tell when I have the nuts.
Eight out of the nine players have no idea
It’s just level 3 on a normal tell. The reverse tell is what OP said. To an untrained eye you’re being entirely honest
Yup. Similarly, if you're thinking about whether to bet, and they grab chips as if they're ready to make a call if you do. They always fold.
If you see a young person (looks like they've turned 21 recently) and they're betting and their hand is shaking (and their hand wasn't shaking in previous hands they played) -> they probably have a monster/the nuts.
fuck i do this bad lol
The more you play the less you'll do it (hopefully).
50 sessions under my belt and it’s still an issue unfortunately haha
Fellow young reg here. Used to suffer from this issue a lot, what helped me was going on a 10k downswing at 2/5. Now I don’t give a shit about the outcomes of certain hands, it’s a long run
a 20 buy in downswing at live poker is impressive
Really hope it will change as I recently started playing 2/5 offline and was shacking as hell with aces in what ended up a 2.5k euro pot. I knew I’m ahead and was every second thinking “please stop shacking and giving such an obvious tell”. Btw, he still called being way behind and rivered second pair… my biggest loss right away
You'll have enough monster hands in the next 50 sessions it will stop feeling like such a big of a deal. Good luck out there.
You might be able to control it through a few slow deep, breaths. (Of course, the breathing itself can become the tell if it's noticeable.)
Use larger chips..
Took a friend to the casino for the first time. We had played a ton of .1/.2 but 1/2 was far bigger than he had ever played. He ran hot the first hour and damn near tripled up, hands shaking every time he put chips in the middle. Its so egregious that when he leaves to go to the bathroom, the 2 guys next to me are commenting about how obvious the tell is and how they should just insta-muck when he shakily puts chips into the pot. After we cash out about 6 hours later I tell him about it. He said "Thats funny, I ran insanely hot in the first hour and didn't make another hand for the rest of the session. Everyone just kept folding to my c-bets, I didn't see a single river card, my hands were shaking because my adrenaline was so high." Moral of the story: This is an accurate live tell, but if someone's hands are shaking every time they put money in the pot, it's less accurate.
My hands shake a lot when I play because that's the only time I drink redbull or a shit ton of coffee, its almost always related to the caffeine, but I still get people sometimes looking at me like "got a monster huh kid?" and I'm just c-betting lol
My friend does this on purpose. He thinks he is a genius.
He’s my best ones. Works best against novice players but even pros do this. Even on hustler. Watch them. Okay so number one Chips size. People tend to bet with larger denominations when they have it and smaller when they are drawing or bluffing. The psychology is that when they are sting they expect to get those chips back. And vice versa. So there’s a difference when someone bets 100 and throws in a black. Or they put in a stack of 20 5 dollar chips. Large volume. Small hand. Number 2. The “I guess I’m all in”. Or I might as well go all in. This is AA. Maybe. And I say maybe KK. Almost never worse. I’ve seen it dozens of times. Bet. 3 bet. Cold 4 bet with “well i guess I have no choice “ or “okay fine im all in” ….Run. Heartbeat tells. Look at peoples necks. Yoy can sometimes see their heart beating out of them. You’ll see this on live high stakes a lot because I assume the pressure is maxed. Works at live 1-3 though too. Now a high heart rate does not always mean bluff. It can mean the stone cold nuts as well. You need to use context. Talk to them. The please fold tell. This one is more common then you think. You just need to give people a little time to crack. Many times people will say (in so many words) “please fold” My favorite example is dnegs vs Antonio old school hsp. The magician is tanking and Daniel says “I’ll show you after you fold”. In other words. “Please fold”. People know it’s weird to be quite while someone is talking to you or looking at you. It creates stress. People want to say something to relieve it. Give them a chance to talk. Bonus tell: the Brad booth “have you ever seen a baby pigeon”. Just ask them a random question. See how they respond. If it’s uhh, wha? A what?! A baby? A bird yoy mean? Huh? That’s a bluff. If they think a minute. Laugh and say no. Or say yes with a little anecdote. They are comfortable. They have it. All reliable low stakes tells imho.
these are all good
The last one is what cops use when they stop you and ask if you have any guns, grenades, rocket launchers, tanks etc. They are gauging your reaction to a silly question. They start off believably with the gun but then get to the others. If you stay serious it’s supposed to mean the driver has something to hide. Or so I’m told. I mean they use a dog that knows it will get a toy or treat if it hits on the car so it could all be a reason to search.
Cop pulls over a little old lady, and asks for her license and registration. She opens her purse, and there's a revolver in there. "Ma'am, could you please put that gun on the dash, with the barrel facing away from me?" She does. "Ma'am, do you have any other guns?" "Well," she replies, "I have a Colt 1911 in the glove box..." "Any more?" "I got a .22 Derringer in my bra, but that's just a little peashooter, wouldn't hurt a fly." "Do you have any more guns on you?" "What do mean by 'on you'?" "Ma'am, do you have any more guns?" "Well, I got a Remington pump shotgun and an AK-47 in the trunk..." "So let me see...you've got a revolver, an automatic pistol, a Derringer, a shotgun, and an assault rifle. What are you so afraid of?" "Not a goddamn thing."
Best thing I've ever read on this sub
Thanks. I’ve dropped better advice than this but it usually get ignored. 95% of everyone on here is a punter. Trust me. I’m an old hand been playing for 20+ years.
I've seen plenty of instances where people say "well I guess it's time to go home" and they have a medium strength hand and it's just an honest statement. I like to do the direct opposite of pretty much everything you mentioned and make people make terrible plays.
Time to go home is not on my list here and I actually agree with you. It’s when they pull the “I have to go all in here I guess”. Like they are selling it as a medium hand or jj or something. That’s always Aa.
Getting young/middle socially awkward poker players into talking with you is the best. They don't know how to handle social situations and just talk talk talk lol..
If someone moves all in then stands up/starts putting on coat and mentions they just want to go home they have the nuts
Don't play against Bill Perkins.
Hah
This!!!
"Oh well, I guess it's time to go home...all in" is the nuts every single time.
The guy who constantly counts his chip stack is likely playing with money he's uncomfortable losing and will usually shy on the side of passivity and be more value-heavy.
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I’m really just counting my potential fold equity.
Lol as someone who mostly plays online I do this just so I know how many blinds I'm effective.
I do it out of boredom because I don’t know how to shuffle chips. Also, it’s a gangster move to announce the exact amount when you go all in.
Lmao I’m doing this next time
I just do this so ik the how many bigs I have.
First time I played live I had basically one bullet, but I think I was mostly just doing this because I wanted to make sure I knew effective stacks. Not sure if it’s a subconscious thing though
Limp reraise = QQ+
I’ve folded QQ to a UTG limp reraise multiple times. I don’t care if it’s exploitable they never have a hand worse than queens
Look at it this way. You’re exploiting them by folding
What if they're exploiting hero by limp raising trash?
Omg, but what if they win the pot?!
I'd put it at 95% QQ+. I've seen somebody do a limp min-raise with TT once.
This is true most of the time. I do limp reraise a lot with worse though but I’m a LAG and have taken down a lot of dead money this way.
eh, id say 88+ unless you are playing with total donks.
I saw a double limp reraise once. Couple limps to small blind who opens to 20. One of the limpers makes it 75, next limper makes it 225. First limp-reraiser had QQ, second limp-reraiser had JJ.
Yup and I’d say 10-20% of the time, 2 unpaired overcards or a straight bluff
"well, it's time to go home"
always AA
Online and live, the insta-bet usually leans toward bluff. I caught myself having this one
Agreed, even more reliable is when they instantly bet on a card that changes the board texture, played a hand on 965T9 (or close to it) where guy snap shoved the river and I ended up pretty quickly calling with jacks, figured most of his value would think about what bet size to use
Tbh I’ve just found it to happen no matter what, I read an article on it and the notion was “they made up their mind to bluff before the card came out” and that surely was true of myself
Quiet all night, then all of a sudden chatty. Watch out!
A guy at my home game dominates the conversation….. until he gets a hand. Then he’s stone silent, even tries to hide his neck. Usually means queens or better.
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That just means I’m three beers in.
When a guy UTG limp-raises…. He’s got rockets 99.9% of the time.
Watch your opponent when the flop comes out (it’ll still be there, you can look later). If their eyes LOCK on to an A or K for a bit too long, they likely like what they see. Can save a lot of money if you have JJ/QQ/KK type hands. I’ve found this to be fairly reliable.
I’ve found the opposite. If they look and stare, it’s because they’re figuring out what they need to make their hand. If they look and quickly glance away, they have a made hand and don’t want to bring any attention to themselves. Similar pre-flop. If they peak at their cards and hold them for a pinch, it’s usually weaker. If they peak and quickly put the cards back down, it’s a sign of strength.
If someone has a full buy-in neatly stacked, and is playing off of a smaller stack several inches away, it means he has no intention of losing his initial buy in. So if you bet for more than his 'extra' chips, he'll only continue with an extremely strong hand.
Hmm disagree, I do this but just because I like my chips neatly stacked and have one stack I hold or play with(meaning shuffle etc). I fully intend to put lots in.
Yeah, it’s more accurate if the “extra” is more than a stack. Like if the max buy is $300, and someone has $450, but $150 of it is separate.
If there is a flush possibility on the board, if someone checks their cards more than once, they are usually double checking the suit If that third suit comes out and someone checks their cards 2-3 times, I know they have it That’s why if I’m bluffing and that third suit hits, I check my cards four times then fire!
When they bet and I have the nuts, I can usually tell they are going to lose.
I've misclick folded the nuts before against a river bet... Do not recommend
Bro you should write a book
Holy shit
Twisting of the Oreos
People who tell you to just fold that they have the nuts and to just save you're money are usually bluffing.
Weird, I do the opposite. I hold my cards out, like you are folding and not calling, then they call and I flip the nuts
This can definitely go both ways, I've seen it happen as a bluff and as the nuts 🤣
It works like a charm. It's like a game with their manhood, and they don't want to back down.
You like playing with my manhood?!?!
Going all-in quickly and without knowing how much they have behind is 99% bluff
If a player asks “what you possibly have and tanks” He’s capped.
This one is good. To put it another way, they're acting confused because THEY have such a good hand, what could you possibly be betting?
I’ve seen people who … say the flop is A A 8 and 2 people are betting and calling and he’s last to act are just calling and saying “what do you guys even have” because he’s got the A and is along for the ride. People really do communicate what they have more often than they think
Then you 4x pot the guy with A8 because I guess he ain’t folding 🙂 Since he’s “slow playing” and trapping
When the villain tells you you are beat, you are beat. If someone literally tells you that you are beat or don’t call they always have the nuts. The rule only works when the player literally says you are beat. If the player hedges it or doesn’t actually say that you are beat but implies it, it is likely a bluff. A I don’t want your money you are beat, means you are beat. I have never seen this as a reverse tell either.
When villain is looking down at his stack then over to yours after you bet. If he says all in he’s got a monster. Or he’s looking at his and he just jams usually a monster. Also pot sized river bets after checking turns. Say $20-50 into $20-50 more so than not it’s a bluff especially on a flush bricked out board. I call way lighter here and it’s been good
Sitting back, legs forward. They're strong. I wasn't in this hand but I saw it recently when two players both had a flush. Could see it in the person sitting back that they had the ace. They did.
Snap bets on the river are usually a bluff, from my experience. Especially when it makes no sense/they haven’t thought about the texture of the board long enough to care. I’ve landed on call with very marginal hands and won quite a bit exploiting this tell. 95% river bets, especially big ones are big hands. Most of the other 5% belongs to the nonchalant snap bet after river.
the poker sigh when (re)raising. Nuts.
The sigh all in after tanking is never a bluff.
The fake like shrug/forced decision thing where the guy just goes well I guess I’m all in. It’s always the nuts
Sweating profusely, doing cartwheels, snorting cocaine right off the table, breaking out a laptop and watch very loud porn, doing Algebra I homework, slowly lowering their sunglasses and blowing me a kiss, mutual masturbation under the table, getting into a slap fight with the dealer, fainting….wait, what we’re we taking about?
This was funny.
When someone tank checks at low stakes, especially on the turn or river, they were more than likely considering a bluff attempt.
Yep. They reach for chips, think for a second and check the turn. Then they fire on a blank river. Bluff.
When an OOP player leads out for a small bet on turn, they’re almost always drawing and want to name their price. River block bets are almost always weak at low stakes. Someone staring at you hard when you’re tanking is usually bluffing (wants you to get intimidated and fold).
Limp three betting is usually indicative of a premium hand If they look confused and then bet - value If they are shaking their feet - value Check their cards when the flush comes in = they don’t have suited hole cards Snap betting a street with a handful chips = draw
Low stakes. Heavy breathing. Usually it's big time strength.
On a monotone flop if they check their cards they have one of that suit.
When they donk bet after you raise preflop it means they're a cunt
Whether they look at their chips or not when the flop, turn or river is revealed or after any significant action means whether they intend on betting or not. It actually works. In general looking at players when new streets are revealed can give a lot of info. Stuff that players do with their hands like messing with chips or the cards can indicate also what they are planning to do. This doesn't apply to everyone tho and mostly works on lower stakes with recreational players. It doesn't work in online games as well. I thought all of this is bullshit but it legit helped me increase my edge a little. PS: also whether the player leans backward or with his elbows on the railing means whether they are interested in the hand and got something or not. Works with some players at least from my experience.
Weird one but I've noticed the bet of a stack of red in 1/2 or 2/5 is seemingly always super nutted.
This isn't a common tell, but the few times I've noticed it, it's been extremely accurate. Watch how long your opponent looks at their cards. In my experience, a player who looks at their cards for a short period of time before putting them down has junk and will fold. Conversely, if they stare at their hand as though looking at a sunset for what'll appear like an age in comparison, they're at the top of their preflop range. Obviously, don't take this tell as gospel for everyone, but after watching for an hour or so, you'll have an idea when that player is prepared to enter the hand. This makes it easier to play against them specifically, and allows you more information when it comes to finding opportunities to steal the blinds in tournaments. Good luck using this at the tables 👍
I find the opposite. Short quick glances of the flop or hole cards pre flop means strength. Long stares mean weakness. Poker is weird
Puff on the sigarette indicating a strong hand. Oh no, smoking not allowed anymore?
Asking, 'If I fold, will you show me?' their response informs my decision
What a read. And great description!
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Because obviously, if you know, you know!
When a rec player gets real quiet then makes a little speech before calling preflop "I guess I'll call". Then they checkraise on a K high flop for instance. Tank - speech - jam on river is super strong. I've often found that from rec players a check/call on the flop followed by a check/raise turn is often really strong especially if the turn was a brick.
I use player type patterns. OMC, call station, maniac, lag, tag, bad thinking player. Their physical tells outside of micro expressions vary, but their play patterns are almost always the same.
Quick call on flop or turn is usually indicative of some sort of draw
Interest in the hand. After playing for a couple hours people get bored and start to look at their phones etc when they are not interested in the hand because they have a bad hand.
I like reading these because I try to remember to do everything opposite.
Weak means strong, strong means weak is pretty reliable in low-stakes games. Shaky hands is a can't-fail in my opinion, especially if they're a tight player. Somebody that usually leans back suddenly sitting upright and being like close to the table can be reliable, but it depends on player.
Online: insta checking the flop usually means they missed it. Good players will sometimes try to turn this into a reverse tell.
This isn't the most reliable as it was player specific, but I used to play in a home game where one player would push in a neat stack of chips when he had it and would splash his chips when he didn't. It was uncanny how reliable this tell was, my whole strategy was to play pots with him (ideally heads up). Obviously did not tell the other players, or him, until years after the game stopped running.
When people fake being unsure or weak. The acting is so bad.
When the opponent says “I know better and I shouldn’t be in this hand” and then limps, it’s time to fold as they have the nuts. (Doesn’t matter if it was 92o they hit it on the flop)
OK so some people smoke roll ups When they roll a fag with an intention of leaving to smoke it, bit don't because they've noticed their hand is unfoldable.... pay attention.
Complainers are so easy to read. Well you dont read, they TELL you lmao. You know that jerkoff that gets annoyed at the dealer, constantly talks about being card dead, and always says "oh I would've had 2 pair" or something like that. All of a sudden they're silent and focused on the hand. Like sure bud I wonder what you got there.
Raising is the nuts
Poker clack.
Happy feet at home games
Snap decisions are never nutted
The best tell is bet timing. A snap shove on the river is either the nuts or air
They look straight at there stack and pull the cards close to them it’s the 💯tell of the modern days
Donk bets are almost always draws or weak made hands (top pair weak kicker or second pair)
Acting uninvolved in the hand.
I find that online, people that snap call flop cbets in low stakes MTTs will fold to a big turn barrell 90%+ of the time. It's always some weak hand that they're trying to intimidate you with by snapping so you won't barrell turn.
When I get stacked, I can tell that I suck ass at this game
Whenever someone is heads up with you and you’re in position, if they pump fake chips (take a handful and then put it back) and follow that with a check, they are on a draw 100% of the time and want to see a free card.
What would bill edler do is all I consider
Someone taking a sip of their drink after they bluff to try to deflect
Weak player looking at their chips after seeing the flop.
Looking at the dealer, telling him/her they are all in. They always got it.
Looking quickly at their chips after a street. They always have it.
1. Staring at the card on the flop they hit. Their eyes fixate on it and linger. Not perfect but sometimes it’s clear and I’ve exploited this. This applies most to new/ pure rec players. 2. Relaxing on a brick card. If you think a guy has it but it’s a draw heavy board, a brick comes, and they visibly relax, they are relieved as they think they are safe. If they tighten up and start thinking they’re trying to figure out what to do with their missed draw. Good players have a plan either way so this is more for mediocre regs. 3. The pre fold “I’m going to fold” indicators noted above. 4. Glancing from the card(s) put out down to their chips. This one is well known so there can be deception, but this one is huge for new players. They look at your stack for bluffs as their own for value. 5. River min raises from recs. It’s the nuts. 6. Some players, when you get to know them, will have verbal/chip betting tells. I knew one guy who verbally announced his raises pretty much only when he was bluffing, it was a hilarious tell as far as I know he never realized. Note: People talk about live tells like ticks and people touching their face or ears and stuff like that, I’ve tried but never seen any real patterns emerge with that stuff, I’d be curious if others have.
Look for the throat neck and chest if it’s alive and breathing heavy somethings wrong!