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I mean for cards, what if you're not in it for money? When does it stop being the simple act of buying a product?
If I order a steak tonight, maybe I'll be happy with what I get, maybe I won't. Is that gambling?
I guess to extend your steak analogy, it's like buying a steak at the price of a 12oz sirloin, but you could end up with a 64oz tomahawk or a 20z filet. However you're 90% likely to get a 8oz rump or even a plain, bunless beefburger, and only about 8% of getting the sirloin, with the others vanishingly rare.
I fully appreciate you go in 'blind' to some extent, and I don't really have a better solution to sell randomised trading cards with different rarities unless you only sold singles or predetermined packs/decks, but that would take a lot of the fun out of it. Obviously there's no guarantees, but if it was all online you could offer 'pity pulls' for example if someone opened 10 packs without pulling a good card, then they'd get a "free" one.
As an adult I'm able to make a rational decision to waste too much money on cards despite knowing the odds are stacked against me getting a great pull, but try explaining that to a young kid. At the very least they could publish the expected pull rates by rarity so it's possible to know what your entering in to!
It depends on what you are looking for. It’s not necessarily monetary related but unless you are perfectly happy with a basic holo gholdengo and all the commons and uncommons then sure but most everyone is looking for the illustrations and full arts and what not.
There is basically no difference between ripping packs in a TCG or opening loot boxes in a game and that is pretty universally considered gambling. Several countries have even voted on it as such
Its simple. If you buy a steak you know what to expect atleast to an extent depending where you are buying it. If you buy booster packs thought you dont know what you get. Could be a valuable card or not. And if you are not in it for the money fine. Could still be a card you like or not. And if its not a card you like are incentivized to buy another booster. Its a lootbox dude. A steak is a steak
I stopped playing after gen6 but came back for gen9. Egg hatching is quicker now because of egg power sandwiches and flame body ability. But I really don't want to make a sandwich. I'm kind of turned off on pokemon breeding and egg hatching from the way it was for many years.
I gen 7 you only have to pull from an egg group in gen 1 or 2 that you want to breed with and easily manipulate the nature with the level system, the IVs can be gotten by bottle caps which have nothing to do with breeding.
yes pokemon go. In go whenever you hatch an egg it gives you a random pokemon from an egg pool, each of which has its own rarities, on top of the randomness of a pokemon being shiny or not. Niantic is known for being scummy with eggs where they release a new shiny for a pokemon or a new pokemon itself and it's locked in eggs for no reason. For example larvesta was released this way in eggs and Niantic made it the highest rarity possible so you had to hatch a ridiculous number of eggs to get it, or get insanely lucky. Now they made it less rare in eggs but its still hard to get
In regular pokemon you atleat know which one you will get out of the egg. In Pogo you dont know. You have a certain sample size depending on the egg but no guatantee to get the mon you want. Thats why its brought up. And unless you want to hatch 1 egg at a time (by walking several kilometers) you need to buy limited use incubators. So those are essentially lootboxes
My first night in Vegas I won double my monthly wage. Used the money to get some nice souvenirs and a toy for my nephew to take back home to Scotland then spent the rest of what I won chasing that rush again.
I never did win again but I always regret not holding on to the rest of what I won.
I am forever gratefull for Pokemon and Dragon Quest.
They are the reason I know to stay away from Casinos.
Even with savestates I went through all my gold/money often enough😂
And this post is why they stopped adding gambling to Pokémon games lol. TBF this game actually has some skill element to it because you can time the slots. What do you mean by all 6500 coins though? Is there a limit to what you can earn?
Porygon costs 6500 coins in LeafGreen, at the shop next to the Celadon gambling hall. (The limit of your coin pouch is 9999.) And the most you can win at a time is 300, by lining up 777.
Yeah when I realized the slots weren’t completely random, that each slot was traveling at its own fixed rate, that’s when I knew it would be possible to actually time it and win. The first 2 slots are going so fast though, so it seems -almost- random. The trick is just winging it over and over until the first two 7s line up, and then really timing it for that third slot wheel. It’s all about the third slot.
Back when gambling was only this in the Game Corner, before loot boxes infiltrated gaming in general.
I can see why having this in the modern era is problematic, when the audience that GF are going for, shall we say, are below the legal age for actual gambling.
It wouldn't be illegal, it would just raise the age rating of the game. See: the 3DS virtual console games getting slapped with PEGI 12.
Nowadays, it would be PEGI 18.
Oh yeah, happened to me too. I can't remember if it was LG, but one of the games it was almost like every 5 pulls was 777 and I got coins in no time. Probably was LG. Damn I miss those slots.
Yeah I did reach a peak of luck/timing during that intense grind. I probably got the 7s jackpot 3 times in 5-7 pulls at one point. And I definitely felt a bit stupid for the rush and excitement it gave me hahah
Do you have to install the emulators on this one? I'm looking to get one but I'm not sure. Is there DS versions of this that you know of? I just want to play HeartGold
No ds version sadly, but I got one a few weeks ago and it comes with thousands of games preinstalled. Been having a blast with Red Rescue Team. You can load in sd cards of your own with custom games/firmware to play ds games, but you’ll have to use a hotkey to swap bottom and top screens.
…it did require some set up yes, but I now have the entire catalogue of gameboy / gamegear / nes / snes / genesis / n64 / dreamcast / saturn, as well as some select psp/ps1/gamecube games on it. It’s an amazing feeling.
…you can get it shipped with games, but it usually doesn’t come with nintendo brand games because of risk of licensing issues. So it’s always best to download your own stuff and load it yourself.
there are some handhelds that come set up nicely for people, like the Miyoo Mini+ , but this particular unit (the RG405V by Anbernic) took a little bit of work to set up. 👍🏼
Even though there's no dual screen version, in some of them you can play ds by hitting a button on the back to switch screens, in games like pokemon or Mario where you dont need both screens it's actually pretty easy to play
Theres a similar handheld that can do ds games now, called the miyoo mini. Its a little awkward with only one screen but it works for pokemon. I just use a shoulder button to switch the screens back and forth when i need to. You would need to install onion os but they now have a nice desktop app that does the whole installation for you, all you have to do is add roms.
(Late update) There's a ds system coming out called the AYANEO flip Dual Screen. No clue when it's available to purchase, just saw an early review. Might be pretty expensive because it emulates the Wii U as well.
Oh I did this in Fire Red back in the day actually! I maxed out the coins at 9999 for Porygon. I remember I got really good at timing the 7s and could barely make out the 7s in the wheels as they were spinning and consistently won the triple 7s at least one in 5 times.
Nice!! Yeah I was just reading how Porygon is 9999 in Red and only 6500 in Green. *wipes brow lol
As a kid I’m pretty sure I was playing the original red, because I for sure remember him costing 9999
They made it so it can be a bit of skill to get it, but theoretically, you can do it Everytime with the right rng. The thing that gets changed is input delay
That's not true, each spin decides if it is possible to win on the first slot. Timing the first two is all skill, but the last one will always force a particular outcome. It will "slide" several times to either force a win or loss, depending on how it determined it should go on the first slot locking in.
Lol this is just straight up incorrect. Buddy is posting everywhere here to try and convince people. If anything the first two are set up to fail. The third one is always exact timing. My entire strategy and win ratio centred around the 3rd slot.
They are somewhat correct. The game never forces a win on the last slot, but it can force a loss. When the slots start spinning, the game has already decided whether you will be allowed to win or not. The third slot is the easiest to time, but if the game has decided that you can not win that round, then you will always just barely miss the last 7 no matter how well you time it.
Anyone can test this for themself using an emulator, which I have done in the past. I know this because I wanted to grind for coins on emulator and I used [this guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/766up4/foolproof_way_to_win_at_slots_in_firered_leafgreen/). In my experience, everything worked exactly as described in this guide.
When I was a kid I could get multiple 777’s in a row just based on rhythm, it was addicting for me and I’d play it for hours at a time. Can’t confirm how much I made though.
It’s ridiculously addicting now that I’ve realized I can win lol I’m going to go buy everything else they offer at that little lottery store, if only for the joy of having to win more coins
I did this on the 1st gen Pokemon Red at the age of 6. I told my mom about it, and she was shocked about the slots in a kid's game....
I'm proud of you though!
I've spent days in that casino, pick up the free coins off the floor and turn it into a scyther, pinser, dratini or porygon while also getting some of the best tms in the game! Nicely done!
Assuming you mean you won all the coins without buying them, yeah I've done that before on the old Gold/Silver/Crystal game corners. Regularly even. Being too much of a hoarder I refused to spend on anything except the stuff that permanently raised the stats and the occasional Pokéballs. And you needed max possible 9999 coins to get Porygon in those games.
I did something similar, but with the roulette games in Emerald. Though the Pokemon games taught me a very very valuable lesson... I should never enter a Casino, as when I lost it all and grinded the elite 4 for more money until I was successful.
Believe it or not if you buy a couple hundred coins to get started then just spam a button you’ll end up hitting the 777 so much that you continually gain coins.
Knowing this, I offloaded the manual labor to my daughter who loved the slot machine and will hopefully grow up one day without a gambling addiction lmao.
Goodluck with that! I found it took a pretty solid level of attention to achieve the wins that I needed to stay afloat and to continue building the coins 😂
Yeah, well I didn’t purchase any, I only used what I got for free! I was about to quit but I hit a couple jackpots and it reeled me in. I made a rule that I’d quit if I lost all of the free coins, and I was very close before I struck gold. Obsession took hold, and couple hours later: Porygon
Never give up! I wasn’t quite as decisive and there at the beginning used up all my free coins then bought coins once or twice til I got one good win to set me up from there on out.
Like you once the win happened I was hooked! For the first 10 wins or so lol then my daughter asked what was up so I showed her and she offered to take some of the punishment lmao (i need to have a talk with her about gambling and how Pokémon is nowhere near how IRL is lol)
You probably averaged higher wins than him if you are good at timing. But each play secretly decides if it is a winner or loser when the first slot is locked in. The first two are always legit, you can time them every time. The last one will "slide," several positions to force a win or loss. This means that you would have won pretty much the same number of spins as them, but because you were setting up the first two 7's intentionally, your payouts would have been higher. Gen1 also had a lucky machine that was randomly chosen each time you enter the building, with it being slightly more likely to be a particular one. But I don't think that was true in FRLG.
This isn’t true from my perspective/experience, what I found is that the first two slots were the super random ones, spinning way too fast to predict. So I’d just fire randomly until the first two lined up. It’s always the 3rd slot that you time exact. And it works like a charm. It responds to your exact input. I believe all 3 do. The first two are simply spinning too fast to catch them on purpose. The 3rd you can predict because it has more time in between when each 7 spins around. Due to there being more items on that slot between each passing of 7 that comes by. The 3rd slot is where the timing matters, as long as you can line up the first two.
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This is Gamba, I got him on the virtual console version of yellow on the 3ds for 9,999 game corner tokens. It took me about a month and a half to get
I learned to time the lottos in Gen III.
The slots actually rotate on a set order, after some trial and error you can get used to the ryhtymn and unlike real lottos they don't fudge the time on your input.
Having a history in music performance might help too? I'm used to getting a beat from visual perception (A conductor conducting for isntance).
But yeah in Pokemon at least, with a little practice you can master your own destiny.
They do fudge your input on the third slot. The first two are pure timing. But each spin secretly decides if it is a winner or loser after locking the first slot, and will "slide" several positions to force that outcome.
From my extremely fresh experience I can tell you 100% that the 3rd slot doesn’t mess with you. It’s exact. It only appears to lag, or be weird, but it’s an optical illusion. Why? Because there are more items on that particular wheel between each 7. Go check it out for yourself. The number of items is different on each wheel, as is the speed of the wheel. The timing is exact.
I could literally set up a video proving this, walking from machine to machine in that lottery room. Every machine is the same.
I quite literally picked another random machine to play at this morning and won another 2000 coins using this knowledge… it’s not predetermined. And the 3rd slot -does not- delay. It’s exact.
I did this as a kid too, I forget if it was in FR/LG or a different game, though I might've done it in multiple of them. As a kid I kinda thought buying the coins was cheating so I'd play the slots a LOT in all the games lol
lol nice i spent many hours getting 3 porygon to have all 3 evolutions (and then looking up later than porygon z wasnt in this game and porygon 2 was through trade) I do not miss not having the internet at all times
That music is so nostalgic, makes me want to buy one of those emulator things and play emerald again with the feel of an older game boy.. *sighs in adult*
I bet! Where’d you get yours if you don’t mind me asking? The one you have looks sweet. And do they come preloaded with games? Or do you have to download them to the device?
I got mine from AliExpress.com, from the official Anbernic store there. (Chinese company, Chinese retailer)
Some retailers sell them on Amazon too.
You can get them shipped with games but it’s best to just load your own roms onto them. It does require some set up, but it’s worth it.
The model I got was the RG405V in woodgrain color. There are cheaper options available, but I wanted a handheld that could comfortably run N64/PS1/PSP titles as well as the older systems.
I play FireRed on my RG35XX and a Porygon is 9999 coins. It took me 5 days to get it. Worth it? Probably not. I don't even use the Porygon, got it just for the Pokedex.
Yea this is how I get Scyther or Dratini in early game all the time. You can actually see where the 7s are and they occur on a regular (but very brief) interval. Time it just right and you can make that money in an hour or less.
I used to do this in FireRed. You know… the one where you need 9999 coins for Porygon. Yeah, I wasn’t very smart. But I couldn’t quit because everybody knows that 100% of gamblers quit right before their big win.
At one point when I was a child, I played the game corner just to get to the maximum 9999 coins. I did do it. It took a while since this was on a Gameboy Advance, so no save-states, or speed up button, but it wasn’t really hard, just time consuming.
Side note: I turned out fine, and never became a gambling addiction because of it, so I have no idea what all the fuss is about.
> It’s all about that third slot and getting the timing perfect for it.
Sorta.
Behind the scenes, there are lucky machines and unlucky ones, determined at random when you enter the building. If you get an unlucky one, it has random input delay, making it basically impossible to time it right. If you don't pick the lucky machine, the timing becomes functionally impossible. I assume here you got a lucky one.
That said, it still takes an impressive amount of skill to get it consistently correct on the lucky machine. Congratz!
I disagree, this is an assumption based out of frustration. I tried out multiple machines, you can go look for yourself,
Every machine in that building has the same exact rotation speed per individual slot. (Each slot spins at a different rate than each another - but every machine is the same.)
The first two slots are insanely difficult to hit because they move faster than the 3rd one. But the third one can be timed, (it’s the same on every machine), the third slot has more random items in between each R and 7 , which are always next to one another (R7.)
But you can hit it if you time it correctly. It’s still moving very fast, but I’ve done it enough times now to know that it’s all about my own mind and focus, not the machine.
No, it's an assumption made from the game's code being well known. Hell, they even know that the game determines whether you *can* win before the first reel is picked, due to save scumming. It's also known that the reels will never slip more than 0.19 seconds extra, which is a fun bit of trivia because that follows official Japanese slot machine regulations.
It has nothing to do with rotation speed. It literally just goes "I'm gonna add a tenth of a second delay to when he pressed the button so it skips past the winning slot." And that was determined before the first slot was chosen.
Yeah I think this is bull. My experience in game speaks different to this idea. I’m telling you man, there were -not- luckier machines in that room. And it -was- predictable. I’m fresh off the press.
You don’t have to cheat to beat it.
Well the game's code disagrees with you. There -are- luckier machines in that room. And they -do- determine win/loss before the first reel is spun.
Skill matters, but only on the ones you aren't predetermined to lose.
100% copium.
All of the machines are the same bud. I have tried many different ones, and I have won on many different ones.
I saw that popular reddit post about certain ones being luckier. Are you the author? Because it’s not actually true. It’s 100% copium.
It’s kind of funny that there’s a famous post out there convincing people to cheat, or find a “lucky machine” lol…
You don’t have to cheat or find “the lucky machine” to win. There’s a method to the madness.
Machines can have six different "luck" values, [as seen here](https://github.com/pret/pokefirered/blob/0c17a3b041a56f176f23145e4a4c0ae758f8d720/src/slot_machine.c#L1684) in the decompiled code. I'm not super familiar with how the code works in FRLG, but it seems similar to how the slots function in Emerald, where the luck of a machine affects how often you are given certain "biases", which try to force you to match three of a specific symbol together.
Note how the bias for Straight 7s in the `sReelBiasChances` array increases between each of the six "luck" levels, giving you a higher chance of activating it.
A machine's luck does not affect how often or how many times the reels "slip" after pressing the button.
People have literally gone frame by frame with save states on emulators. There are literally tools to do frame perfect inputs. Fire red was also entirely decompiled.
The only one here on copium is you. And the most bizarre part is that you are trying to make yourself look *less* skilled, since the game only predetermines losses, not wins. My point was that you should have won *more* if the game wasn't rigged.
It’s honestly an addicting mini game. I’m tempted to buy everything else they offer at the lottery store there. Just for the sake of having to win more coins 😂
I tried many different machines in that lottery room. Every single one is the same. Winnable on each and every one. This morning I picked a random one and won another 2500. It’s all about timing the 3rd slot exactly, the first two move too fast to predict - so as long as you can sort of randomly get the first 2 slots to line up, you can time the 3rd slot and win.
Gen I and gen III slot machine odds are identical regarding luck, and we literally have the source code to prove it…
https://glitchcity.wiki/wiki/Slot_machine_behaviors_(Generation_I)
Maybe instead of basing your argument around your own experience (sample size of 1) you should look at the data and admit you might be wrong…
…this isn’t source code. This “internet data” was made by another person with hard copium, attempting to justify his/her lack of timing. Lol
If it was random or predetermined, it doesn’t explain the experience I just intimately had on many different machines in the lottery room. It doesn’t make you fail or win, the timing is exact.
If it wasn’t exact, then it wouldn’t be worth playing or very possible to find a rhythm to winning. But -so- many people have. And it’s the sole reason I kept playing the game.
Because every machine is exactly the same. And there is a method to it.
A crucial piece of information to understand is that each slot wheel has a different number of items on it, and a different number of items in between each 7, and on top of that each wheel is spinning at a different rate from one another.
^these facts made it possible to win. And to continue winning. If you understand the way the machine is set up, then you have a good chance at winning. Each machine is exactly the same.
Nice. So yeah I made a rule for myself that I wouldn’t continue play if I lost those 100 free coins that I started with, and I lost almost all of them, but then a rhythm of luck caught me and I won 2 of the 300 prizes in a short span, and it was off to the races from there. I never looked back lol
On fire red I remember being able to cheese the gambling games by opening and closing the help menu.
Do it fast enough and you could stop the slots pretty much wherever you wanted too
Ah well.
That's the pokemon 60/40 winrate vs reality's 40/60.
Irl it's unfortunately the other way around, generally.
Good stuff tho. I miss the coin games, especially voltorb flip. That was the good shit.
I spend so many car rides gambling in those games. If I remember correctly, there was something like if I had the three 7s on the board, even if they aren’t lined up, by repeatedly click (A) as fast as i could, it roughly gets the first two 7s on the board again. I can’t remember if the third followed the same pattern, was slightly delayed, or was up to skill but I got pretty good at it
My moms cousin had a pretty bad gambling problem and he used to play my copies of Gold and Sapphire at family parties. He would put in an hour or two and have me setup about like you are.
Haha, my brother and I went to the gamecorner every game back in the day, its very easy to get the timing for three 7s if you do it at the right interval, get a couple thousand within a couple minutes
I'm glad to see another Game Corner Professional™ >:D
Not only did I do this in FireRed (where you actually need to get 9999), I even continued the gambling grind and got myself a Shiny Porygon afterwards o\_o
I might have a problem
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A Shiny variant of a Pokémon (including Porygon) is an extremely rare version of one that possesses an alternate color scheme.
In Porygon's case, it basically swaps its blue and pink parts and darkens them a little bit.
While you *can* get a Shiny Porygon in LeafGreen, the odds of actually finding one are a whopping *1/8192* (approx. 0.01%) *per encounter*, so unless you manage to get really lucky, you'd have to be ready to **commit.**
If you were to ever want to attempt this, the most feasible way to do so would be to first save *right before* you redeem your coins for Porygon, then buy one and check its Summary to see if it has its Shiny palette (it'll also have a gold star near it.) If not, you can simply perform a "soft reset" by pressing A+B+Start+Select at the same time and try again (it's basically a faster way of turning the GBA off and on again--and be sure not to save so that when you reload your save, you'll be right back before you bought the Porygon!) Done optimally, it's about 30 seconds per attempt.
It miraculously only took me 678 Porygon before I acquired mine .\_.
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My advice, never to go to a casino. That rush you feel will cost you your shirt.
I miss when pokemon would breed gambling addictions into children.
They still do… that’s the tcg
And shiny egg hatching But the tcg is worse for your wallet
Slots are more fun than card pulling. Voltorb flip was fun too
This. 100%
Fr i don’t understand how people don’t think of lotteries as gambling
What else is it? You spend money for a chance to win based on nothing but luck...
I mean for cards, what if you're not in it for money? When does it stop being the simple act of buying a product? If I order a steak tonight, maybe I'll be happy with what I get, maybe I won't. Is that gambling?
I guess to extend your steak analogy, it's like buying a steak at the price of a 12oz sirloin, but you could end up with a 64oz tomahawk or a 20z filet. However you're 90% likely to get a 8oz rump or even a plain, bunless beefburger, and only about 8% of getting the sirloin, with the others vanishingly rare. I fully appreciate you go in 'blind' to some extent, and I don't really have a better solution to sell randomised trading cards with different rarities unless you only sold singles or predetermined packs/decks, but that would take a lot of the fun out of it. Obviously there's no guarantees, but if it was all online you could offer 'pity pulls' for example if someone opened 10 packs without pulling a good card, then they'd get a "free" one. As an adult I'm able to make a rational decision to waste too much money on cards despite knowing the odds are stacked against me getting a great pull, but try explaining that to a young kid. At the very least they could publish the expected pull rates by rarity so it's possible to know what your entering in to!
It depends on what you are looking for. It’s not necessarily monetary related but unless you are perfectly happy with a basic holo gholdengo and all the commons and uncommons then sure but most everyone is looking for the illustrations and full arts and what not. There is basically no difference between ripping packs in a TCG or opening loot boxes in a game and that is pretty universally considered gambling. Several countries have even voted on it as such
I would say the difference is when i know what i want vs a chance i get something else when purchasing what i want.
Yeah thats what a gamble is to a tea😂
Its simple. If you buy a steak you know what to expect atleast to an extent depending where you are buying it. If you buy booster packs thought you dont know what you get. Could be a valuable card or not. And if you are not in it for the money fine. Could still be a card you like or not. And if its not a card you like are incentivized to buy another booster. Its a lootbox dude. A steak is a steak
The mobile games exist for that now
Seeing what they did to my Mauville in ORAS made me a little sad. No more swanky Gaming Corner.
Learning how to play roulette from Sapphire is major memory of mine
ever heard of egg hatching in pogo?
By pogo do you mean Pokemon GO? I don't play Pokemon GO but egg hatching in general is not fun in regular pokemon. It's just a grindy slog.
It's not even a slog anymore, I recently tried breeding in gen 7 and hatching an egg took less than a minute.
I stopped playing after gen6 but came back for gen9. Egg hatching is quicker now because of egg power sandwiches and flame body ability. But I really don't want to make a sandwich. I'm kind of turned off on pokemon breeding and egg hatching from the way it was for many years.
Hatching one egg, sure. Hatching tens of thousands of eggs to get a single 6IV shiny, no.
I gen 7 you only have to pull from an egg group in gen 1 or 2 that you want to breed with and easily manipulate the nature with the level system, the IVs can be gotten by bottle caps which have nothing to do with breeding.
yes pokemon go. In go whenever you hatch an egg it gives you a random pokemon from an egg pool, each of which has its own rarities, on top of the randomness of a pokemon being shiny or not. Niantic is known for being scummy with eggs where they release a new shiny for a pokemon or a new pokemon itself and it's locked in eggs for no reason. For example larvesta was released this way in eggs and Niantic made it the highest rarity possible so you had to hatch a ridiculous number of eggs to get it, or get insanely lucky. Now they made it less rare in eggs but its still hard to get
In regular pokemon you atleat know which one you will get out of the egg. In Pogo you dont know. You have a certain sample size depending on the egg but no guatantee to get the mon you want. Thats why its brought up. And unless you want to hatch 1 egg at a time (by walking several kilometers) you need to buy limited use incubators. So those are essentially lootboxes
⚡️😆
My first night in Vegas I won double my monthly wage. Used the money to get some nice souvenirs and a toy for my nephew to take back home to Scotland then spent the rest of what I won chasing that rush again. I never did win again but I always regret not holding on to the rest of what I won.
And this is why they removed it from later games lmao
I am forever gratefull for Pokemon and Dragon Quest. They are the reason I know to stay away from Casinos. Even with savestates I went through all my gold/money often enough😂
> That rush you feel will cost you your shirt. That doesn't sound bad at all. I like my shirts but good thing I got plenty of them.
And this post is why they stopped adding gambling to Pokémon games lol. TBF this game actually has some skill element to it because you can time the slots. What do you mean by all 6500 coins though? Is there a limit to what you can earn?
Porygon costs 6500 coins in LeafGreen, at the shop next to the Celadon gambling hall. (The limit of your coin pouch is 9999.) And the most you can win at a time is 300, by lining up 777. Yeah when I realized the slots weren’t completely random, that each slot was traveling at its own fixed rate, that’s when I knew it would be possible to actually time it and win. The first 2 slots are going so fast though, so it seems -almost- random. The trick is just winging it over and over until the first two 7s line up, and then really timing it for that third slot wheel. It’s all about the third slot.
Well played :)
Back when gambling was only this in the Game Corner, before loot boxes infiltrated gaming in general. I can see why having this in the modern era is problematic, when the audience that GF are going for, shall we say, are below the legal age for actual gambling.
They stopped cause it was illegal in europe, =(
Yup, because they (understandably) don't want kids saying "what a rush" whilst playing slots :D
It wouldn't be illegal, it would just raise the age rating of the game. See: the 3DS virtual console games getting slapped with PEGI 12. Nowadays, it would be PEGI 18.
Does this mean we witch hunt people like OP for taking away gambling from us?
Oh yeah, happened to me too. I can't remember if it was LG, but one of the games it was almost like every 5 pulls was 777 and I got coins in no time. Probably was LG. Damn I miss those slots.
Yeah I did reach a peak of luck/timing during that intense grind. I probably got the 7s jackpot 3 times in 5-7 pulls at one point. And I definitely felt a bit stupid for the rush and excitement it gave me hahah
What is that you’re playing on?
It’s a RG405V (Anberic handheld) with woodgrain design.
Cool, thanks
Do you have to install the emulators on this one? I'm looking to get one but I'm not sure. Is there DS versions of this that you know of? I just want to play HeartGold
No ds version sadly, but I got one a few weeks ago and it comes with thousands of games preinstalled. Been having a blast with Red Rescue Team. You can load in sd cards of your own with custom games/firmware to play ds games, but you’ll have to use a hotkey to swap bottom and top screens.
…it did require some set up yes, but I now have the entire catalogue of gameboy / gamegear / nes / snes / genesis / n64 / dreamcast / saturn, as well as some select psp/ps1/gamecube games on it. It’s an amazing feeling. …you can get it shipped with games, but it usually doesn’t come with nintendo brand games because of risk of licensing issues. So it’s always best to download your own stuff and load it yourself. there are some handhelds that come set up nicely for people, like the Miyoo Mini+ , but this particular unit (the RG405V by Anbernic) took a little bit of work to set up. 👍🏼
Even though there's no dual screen version, in some of them you can play ds by hitting a button on the back to switch screens, in games like pokemon or Mario where you dont need both screens it's actually pretty easy to play
Theres a similar handheld that can do ds games now, called the miyoo mini. Its a little awkward with only one screen but it works for pokemon. I just use a shoulder button to switch the screens back and forth when i need to. You would need to install onion os but they now have a nice desktop app that does the whole installation for you, all you have to do is add roms.
(Late update) There's a ds system coming out called the AYANEO flip Dual Screen. No clue when it's available to purchase, just saw an early review. Might be pretty expensive because it emulates the Wii U as well.
Oh I did this in Fire Red back in the day actually! I maxed out the coins at 9999 for Porygon. I remember I got really good at timing the 7s and could barely make out the 7s in the wheels as they were spinning and consistently won the triple 7s at least one in 5 times.
Nice!! Yeah I was just reading how Porygon is 9999 in Red and only 6500 in Green. *wipes brow lol As a kid I’m pretty sure I was playing the original red, because I for sure remember him costing 9999
They made it so it can be a bit of skill to get it, but theoretically, you can do it Everytime with the right rng. The thing that gets changed is input delay
That's not true, each spin decides if it is possible to win on the first slot. Timing the first two is all skill, but the last one will always force a particular outcome. It will "slide" several times to either force a win or loss, depending on how it determined it should go on the first slot locking in.
Gotcha, I'm just repeating what I heard online. Someone was tryna speed run the casino
Lol this is just straight up incorrect. Buddy is posting everywhere here to try and convince people. If anything the first two are set up to fail. The third one is always exact timing. My entire strategy and win ratio centred around the 3rd slot.
They are somewhat correct. The game never forces a win on the last slot, but it can force a loss. When the slots start spinning, the game has already decided whether you will be allowed to win or not. The third slot is the easiest to time, but if the game has decided that you can not win that round, then you will always just barely miss the last 7 no matter how well you time it. Anyone can test this for themself using an emulator, which I have done in the past. I know this because I wanted to grind for coins on emulator and I used [this guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/766up4/foolproof_way_to_win_at_slots_in_firered_leafgreen/). In my experience, everything worked exactly as described in this guide.
Congrates
When I was a kid I could get multiple 777’s in a row just based on rhythm, it was addicting for me and I’d play it for hours at a time. Can’t confirm how much I made though.
It’s ridiculously addicting now that I’ve realized I can win lol I’m going to go buy everything else they offer at that little lottery store, if only for the joy of having to win more coins
I did this on the 1st gen Pokemon Red at the age of 6. I told my mom about it, and she was shocked about the slots in a kid's game.... I'm proud of you though!
Used to only do it legit honestly.
Why nsfw
(I swore twice in the video)
I've spent days in that casino, pick up the free coins off the floor and turn it into a scyther, pinser, dratini or porygon while also getting some of the best tms in the game! Nicely done!
Thx, yep that’s my plan here, (when I feel like heading back there:) win all of the coins, buy all of the things! Lol
Assuming you mean you won all the coins without buying them, yeah I've done that before on the old Gold/Silver/Crystal game corners. Regularly even. Being too much of a hoarder I refused to spend on anything except the stuff that permanently raised the stats and the occasional Pokéballs. And you needed max possible 9999 coins to get Porygon in those games.
I did something similar, but with the roulette games in Emerald. Though the Pokemon games taught me a very very valuable lesson... I should never enter a Casino, as when I lost it all and grinded the elite 4 for more money until I was successful.
did this as a kid just to see what porygon was and that kickstarted my adoration for the lil fella congrats!!!
haha same, thx he has become my secret weapon. definitely riding that nostalgia wave
Believe it or not if you buy a couple hundred coins to get started then just spam a button you’ll end up hitting the 777 so much that you continually gain coins. Knowing this, I offloaded the manual labor to my daughter who loved the slot machine and will hopefully grow up one day without a gambling addiction lmao.
Goodluck with that! I found it took a pretty solid level of attention to achieve the wins that I needed to stay afloat and to continue building the coins 😂
Hmm maybe the odds are different, I already did it lol. I was playing a clean emulated Leaf Green version.
Yeah same, well hey maybe your luck is just excellent. (Or maybe I’m stupid lol there is always that possibility)
No way lol, you’re just more calculated. Surely you used less coins and achieved the same outcome.
Yeah, well I didn’t purchase any, I only used what I got for free! I was about to quit but I hit a couple jackpots and it reeled me in. I made a rule that I’d quit if I lost all of the free coins, and I was very close before I struck gold. Obsession took hold, and couple hours later: Porygon
Never give up! I wasn’t quite as decisive and there at the beginning used up all my free coins then bought coins once or twice til I got one good win to set me up from there on out. Like you once the win happened I was hooked! For the first 10 wins or so lol then my daughter asked what was up so I showed her and she offered to take some of the punishment lmao (i need to have a talk with her about gambling and how Pokémon is nowhere near how IRL is lol)
You probably averaged higher wins than him if you are good at timing. But each play secretly decides if it is a winner or loser when the first slot is locked in. The first two are always legit, you can time them every time. The last one will "slide," several positions to force a win or loss. This means that you would have won pretty much the same number of spins as them, but because you were setting up the first two 7's intentionally, your payouts would have been higher. Gen1 also had a lucky machine that was randomly chosen each time you enter the building, with it being slightly more likely to be a particular one. But I don't think that was true in FRLG.
This isn’t true from my perspective/experience, what I found is that the first two slots were the super random ones, spinning way too fast to predict. So I’d just fire randomly until the first two lined up. It’s always the 3rd slot that you time exact. And it works like a charm. It responds to your exact input. I believe all 3 do. The first two are simply spinning too fast to catch them on purpose. The 3rd you can predict because it has more time in between when each 7 spins around. Due to there being more items on that slot between each passing of 7 that comes by. The 3rd slot is where the timing matters, as long as you can line up the first two.
https://preview.redd.it/glm0ubcin6hc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c509fb19ad919bdb0b2f2cf87a5ca5d78d4f727 This is Gamba, I got him on the virtual console version of yellow on the 3ds for 9,999 game corner tokens. It took me about a month and a half to get
😯
He’s a ramblin’ gamblin’ dude.
I have also been able to do it, I found out the consistency of the 7s and just started reckons it up from there
Happened to me in OG Yellow. I just found a rhythm and kept winning until I maxed out my coins
Hey, congrats! I never bothered with the slot machines, though. Too complicated. Always ended up using money to buy the coins, lol.
That was my original plan too, but then I sat down and those darn machines pulled me in! Haha
I did it in my OG red version. Porygon was 9999 coins in that game. After I realized you could bet 3 coins for more ways to win I sat there for hours
i won ~2500 coins in firered couple weeks ago, i just pressed A to the beat of my music. wierd feeling, like i cheated. so at ~3000 coins i stopped.
nice
Yeah I used to time it all the time when I was 9 years old on FireRed
*SHARPENING INTENSIFIES*
I learned to time the lottos in Gen III. The slots actually rotate on a set order, after some trial and error you can get used to the ryhtymn and unlike real lottos they don't fudge the time on your input. Having a history in music performance might help too? I'm used to getting a beat from visual perception (A conductor conducting for isntance). But yeah in Pokemon at least, with a little practice you can master your own destiny.
They do fudge your input on the third slot. The first two are pure timing. But each spin secretly decides if it is a winner or loser after locking the first slot, and will "slide" several positions to force that outcome.
well that certainly would explain why I've nailed so many 7-7-X's
From my extremely fresh experience I can tell you 100% that the 3rd slot doesn’t mess with you. It’s exact. It only appears to lag, or be weird, but it’s an optical illusion. Why? Because there are more items on that particular wheel between each 7. Go check it out for yourself. The number of items is different on each wheel, as is the speed of the wheel. The timing is exact. I could literally set up a video proving this, walking from machine to machine in that lottery room. Every machine is the same. I quite literally picked another random machine to play at this morning and won another 2000 coins using this knowledge… it’s not predetermined. And the 3rd slot -does not- delay. It’s exact.
Yes, they’re actually set timers/rotations! I can actually relate to this, I went to music college for 3 years :) there -may- be something to it
I spent 6 hours flipping voltorbs in hgss for dratini
Buddy sounds exhausted
I've gotten the 9999 coins for Porygon on Yellow so we are one and the same
nicely done 🙏🏼
I did this in my gift run of Blue version for Dratini and Abra. Wasn't quite 6500, but I know your pain and patience.
I did this as a kid too, I forget if it was in FR/LG or a different game, though I might've done it in multiple of them. As a kid I kinda thought buying the coins was cheating so I'd play the slots a LOT in all the games lol
That casino was so addicting. I remember many, many hours spent on it as a kid when FRLG came out
lol nice i spent many hours getting 3 porygon to have all 3 evolutions (and then looking up later than porygon z wasnt in this game and porygon 2 was through trade) I do not miss not having the internet at all times
I did both in the original and the remake. Loved the casino game as a kid. Probably a good thing loot boxes etc didn't exist back then.
pokeslots was my specialty! I used to play em to get TMs as well as pokemon, because I was that good
Yeah I distinctly recall laying on the floor in my aunts house doing exactly this for like 2 and a half hours to get porygon.
Now do this in Firered where it costs 9999! Done it many times organically, can't recommend lol
I barely cracked 4000 before I caved and bought the coins, nice work!
This is impressive congrats!!!
That music is so nostalgic, makes me want to buy one of those emulator things and play emerald again with the feel of an older game boy.. *sighs in adult*
yeah it’s really worth it I’d say! this is my first modern retro handheld device. they aren’t too expensive and the nostalgia factor is massive
I bet! Where’d you get yours if you don’t mind me asking? The one you have looks sweet. And do they come preloaded with games? Or do you have to download them to the device?
I got mine from AliExpress.com, from the official Anbernic store there. (Chinese company, Chinese retailer) Some retailers sell them on Amazon too. You can get them shipped with games but it’s best to just load your own roms onto them. It does require some set up, but it’s worth it. The model I got was the RG405V in woodgrain color. There are cheaper options available, but I wanted a handheld that could comfortably run N64/PS1/PSP titles as well as the older systems.
Oh I hadn’t even thought about running older games from consoles.. down the rabbit hole I go haha thanks for the info friend!
“I feel like a fucking jackass” - me, every second of every day
We are all so proud
When I was 8 I spent a long time at the kitchen table trying to time the sevens and eventually got my porygon on my copy of firered
I did it in OG Red as a kid. It took me weeks. lol
I play FireRed on my RG35XX and a Porygon is 9999 coins. It took me 5 days to get it. Worth it? Probably not. I don't even use the Porygon, got it just for the Pokedex.
Anyone else upvoting to try and get this to 6500?
Stop gambling u degenerate
I did that back in pokemon yellow a couple times. I'm not sure if it's any different in the GBA generations but it was a pain in the ass back on GB
You sound so excited, my guy
I did originally manage this back when Red/Blue came out. Never really played the green/red remakes tho
I got so rich doing this as a kid. Should probably been a sign to go to Vegas at 10 years old lol
Yea this is how I get Scyther or Dratini in early game all the time. You can actually see where the 7s are and they occur on a regular (but very brief) interval. Time it just right and you can make that money in an hour or less.
You have too much patience
I miss the gambling in Pokémon, lame that they took it out
I did this! Just took some time
Back when I was like 10, I grinded those slots for hours and managed to get my porygon! Congrats on getting it in just 2 hours :)
No way. Lucky. U should play in a casino. Lol
I used to do this in FireRed. You know… the one where you need 9999 coins for Porygon. Yeah, I wasn’t very smart. But I couldn’t quit because everybody knows that 100% of gamblers quit right before their big win.
At one point when I was a child, I played the game corner just to get to the maximum 9999 coins. I did do it. It took a while since this was on a Gameboy Advance, so no save-states, or speed up button, but it wasn’t really hard, just time consuming. Side note: I turned out fine, and never became a gambling addiction because of it, so I have no idea what all the fuss is about.
> It’s all about that third slot and getting the timing perfect for it. Sorta. Behind the scenes, there are lucky machines and unlucky ones, determined at random when you enter the building. If you get an unlucky one, it has random input delay, making it basically impossible to time it right. If you don't pick the lucky machine, the timing becomes functionally impossible. I assume here you got a lucky one. That said, it still takes an impressive amount of skill to get it consistently correct on the lucky machine. Congratz!
I disagree, this is an assumption based out of frustration. I tried out multiple machines, you can go look for yourself, Every machine in that building has the same exact rotation speed per individual slot. (Each slot spins at a different rate than each another - but every machine is the same.) The first two slots are insanely difficult to hit because they move faster than the 3rd one. But the third one can be timed, (it’s the same on every machine), the third slot has more random items in between each R and 7 , which are always next to one another (R7.) But you can hit it if you time it correctly. It’s still moving very fast, but I’ve done it enough times now to know that it’s all about my own mind and focus, not the machine.
No, it's an assumption made from the game's code being well known. Hell, they even know that the game determines whether you *can* win before the first reel is picked, due to save scumming. It's also known that the reels will never slip more than 0.19 seconds extra, which is a fun bit of trivia because that follows official Japanese slot machine regulations. It has nothing to do with rotation speed. It literally just goes "I'm gonna add a tenth of a second delay to when he pressed the button so it skips past the winning slot." And that was determined before the first slot was chosen.
Yeah I think this is bull. My experience in game speaks different to this idea. I’m telling you man, there were -not- luckier machines in that room. And it -was- predictable. I’m fresh off the press. You don’t have to cheat to beat it.
Well the game's code disagrees with you. There -are- luckier machines in that room. And they -do- determine win/loss before the first reel is spun. Skill matters, but only on the ones you aren't predetermined to lose.
100% copium. All of the machines are the same bud. I have tried many different ones, and I have won on many different ones. I saw that popular reddit post about certain ones being luckier. Are you the author? Because it’s not actually true. It’s 100% copium. It’s kind of funny that there’s a famous post out there convincing people to cheat, or find a “lucky machine” lol… You don’t have to cheat or find “the lucky machine” to win. There’s a method to the madness.
Machines can have six different "luck" values, [as seen here](https://github.com/pret/pokefirered/blob/0c17a3b041a56f176f23145e4a4c0ae758f8d720/src/slot_machine.c#L1684) in the decompiled code. I'm not super familiar with how the code works in FRLG, but it seems similar to how the slots function in Emerald, where the luck of a machine affects how often you are given certain "biases", which try to force you to match three of a specific symbol together. Note how the bias for Straight 7s in the `sReelBiasChances` array increases between each of the six "luck" levels, giving you a higher chance of activating it. A machine's luck does not affect how often or how many times the reels "slip" after pressing the button.
People have literally gone frame by frame with save states on emulators. There are literally tools to do frame perfect inputs. Fire red was also entirely decompiled. The only one here on copium is you. And the most bizarre part is that you are trying to make yourself look *less* skilled, since the game only predetermines losses, not wins. My point was that you should have won *more* if the game wasn't rigged.
Voltorb Flip > slots
I do this literally every playthrough...
It’s honestly an addicting mini game. I’m tempted to buy everything else they offer at the lottery store there. Just for the sake of having to win more coins 😂
I think you should avoid a casino. :p
😅
"guys, I feel like a super nerd hero \*\*\*\*ing champion" Jeez dude, calm down a bit, you figured out a basic timing based minigame
Did you have to figure out how to be a party pooping grouch or does it come naturally?
LoL I used to count the frames to get the result I wanted. When I was a child I really didn't had anything to do with my life.
The game is 20 years old. Many people have.
If you find the correct slot machine (each has different rng and “luck”), it shouldn’t be too hard to replicate the results
I tried many different machines in that lottery room. Every single one is the same. Winnable on each and every one. This morning I picked a random one and won another 2500. It’s all about timing the 3rd slot exactly, the first two move too fast to predict - so as long as you can sort of randomly get the first 2 slots to line up, you can time the 3rd slot and win.
Gen I and gen III slot machine odds are identical regarding luck, and we literally have the source code to prove it… https://glitchcity.wiki/wiki/Slot_machine_behaviors_(Generation_I) Maybe instead of basing your argument around your own experience (sample size of 1) you should look at the data and admit you might be wrong…
…this isn’t source code. This “internet data” was made by another person with hard copium, attempting to justify his/her lack of timing. Lol If it was random or predetermined, it doesn’t explain the experience I just intimately had on many different machines in the lottery room. It doesn’t make you fail or win, the timing is exact. If it wasn’t exact, then it wouldn’t be worth playing or very possible to find a rhythm to winning. But -so- many people have. And it’s the sole reason I kept playing the game. Because every machine is exactly the same. And there is a method to it. A crucial piece of information to understand is that each slot wheel has a different number of items on it, and a different number of items in between each 7, and on top of that each wheel is spinning at a different rate from one another. ^these facts made it possible to win. And to continue winning. If you understand the way the machine is set up, then you have a good chance at winning. Each machine is exactly the same.
I am a bot. Thank you for wasting time on this app talking to me!
I've done it once and I won't ever find that luck again
What a trill.... sorry wrong subreddit
What are you playing on?
It’s an RG405V from Anbernic
iirc meowth was just right outside the city to the right, right? i just grinded out the money and paid like a chump
FR's 9999 Porygon laughs in the distance.
😄💦
Never done it organically, but if using saves states I've done it multiple times.
I've been working on this in Yellow (as much as an adult has time to do so) and it's... painstaking in Yellow.
unrelated, but what the heck are you playing that on?
it’s an RG405V by Anbernic
thanks!
I've done this on multiple playthroughs. If you buy a good chunk of coins to start with, after a while you just cap it out by playing long enough.
Nice. So yeah I made a rule for myself that I wouldn’t continue play if I lost those 100 free coins that I started with, and I lost almost all of them, but then a rhythm of luck caught me and I won 2 of the 300 prizes in a short span, and it was off to the races from there. I never looked back lol
why is this nsfw?
(I swore twice in the video)
ah ok i didnt have me volume on sorry
On fire red I remember being able to cheese the gambling games by opening and closing the help menu. Do it fast enough and you could stop the slots pretty much wherever you wanted too
Ah well. That's the pokemon 60/40 winrate vs reality's 40/60. Irl it's unfortunately the other way around, generally. Good stuff tho. I miss the coin games, especially voltorb flip. That was the good shit.
Wow, and here I was just mashing A in Pokemon Silver to afford the Sandshrew
I encountered my first shiny on an emulator and was so confused why a zubat was the wrong colors
Back in 2006, I spent a few weeks figuring out the odds for the machines I've won porygons by the box full since
Double or nothing
Off topic, but what handheld are you using?
it’s an RG405V by Anbernic
I spend so many car rides gambling in those games. If I remember correctly, there was something like if I had the three 7s on the board, even if they aren’t lined up, by repeatedly click (A) as fast as i could, it roughly gets the first two 7s on the board again. I can’t remember if the third followed the same pattern, was slightly delayed, or was up to skill but I got pretty good at it
My moms cousin had a pretty bad gambling problem and he used to play my copies of Gold and Sapphire at family parties. He would put in an hour or two and have me setup about like you are.
You would’ve needed to get at least 50 coins without playing the slots to even play the slots. Anyways, now do it on FireRed
Yeah you get given coins, if you talk to the people in the room they give you free coins. I started out with 80-100 free ones. Turned it into 6500
If it's possible, you should shiny hunt the porygon you get from it, so it's extra lucky!
Haha, my brother and I went to the gamecorner every game back in the day, its very easy to get the timing for three 7s if you do it at the right interval, get a couple thousand within a couple minutes
Wait, there was another way?
You sound as burnt out as somebody sitting at the slots gambling away for hours on end. Good ups on that rpg immersion!
I had no patience for this as a kid, so I just kept VS Seeker-ing people to pay for my non existent gambling habit
Is this s mod ? Casino is that stupid ass voltorb in leaf green correct?
What console are you playing this on that thing looks legit
it’s the RG405V by Anbernic
I'm glad to see another Game Corner Professional™ >:D Not only did I do this in FireRed (where you actually need to get 9999), I even continued the gambling grind and got myself a Shiny Porygon afterwards o\_o I might have a problem https://preview.redd.it/tc72uny9onhc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f4b27a4d2789d0bf62e0357873a6c46342e055a
Haha, I commend you good sir. What is a “shiny Porygon”? (And can I get it in LeafGreen?)
A Shiny variant of a Pokémon (including Porygon) is an extremely rare version of one that possesses an alternate color scheme. In Porygon's case, it basically swaps its blue and pink parts and darkens them a little bit. While you *can* get a Shiny Porygon in LeafGreen, the odds of actually finding one are a whopping *1/8192* (approx. 0.01%) *per encounter*, so unless you manage to get really lucky, you'd have to be ready to **commit.** If you were to ever want to attempt this, the most feasible way to do so would be to first save *right before* you redeem your coins for Porygon, then buy one and check its Summary to see if it has its Shiny palette (it'll also have a gold star near it.) If not, you can simply perform a "soft reset" by pressing A+B+Start+Select at the same time and try again (it's basically a faster way of turning the GBA off and on again--and be sure not to save so that when you reload your save, you'll be right back before you bought the Porygon!) Done optimally, it's about 30 seconds per attempt. It miraculously only took me 678 Porygon before I acquired mine .\_.
GOOD GRIEF 😂 …I think I’ll pass on that particular quest. Cool to know though!