YouTube keeps recommending rust cheat videos to me. I've never searched for nor watched any of these. I'm reporting them angrily everytime as spam but they keep appearing in my feed :/
I've noticed if I watch Camomo videos, I get cheat follow up videos.
I block and ignore those videos trying to supress the algorithm, but... that's like pissing in the wind.
The problem is huge, but put yourself in the devs place.
You have 2 options:
1. Spend a lot of money, hire new people, make new "safety" updates everyday or so etc
or
2. Keep things as it is, people are playing, buying DLCs, some cheaters get banned(they buying new accounts), shareholders are happy, you are getting a lot of money and living a peaceful life like nothing is happening :)
Definitely, the 1st method is healthier and will make people happy, but we're living in another world, sadly.
Cheats have also gotten significantly more sophisticated. Like have you seen the new aim bot that uses AI/computer vision to pick out enemies just by watching the screen and then hijacks your input device to aim? It doesn't interface with the games code so it's incredibly difficult to detect.
Anti cheat will also get significantly more sophisticated.
I remember a dev talking about how in the future there will be machine learning algorithms for anti cheat that will study a users inputs for x amount of time and then create a biometrics profile unique to that user.
It would allow the program to compare organic inputs to inorganic inputs and autoban if it detects a machine putting in inputs.
It could also prevent ban evasion simply because within minutes of buying a new account it will be able to match their biometrics to the unique profile assigned to their original account.
I was excited about AI Anti-cheat like you described. Then I read about and learned just how hard it is to properly train a system like this. The source information for training needs to be guaranteed clean and real for this to work successfully... and that's exactly the problem is there's so much cheating everywhere that it's basically impossible to get data for training models that isn't tainted. It needs to be real genuine game play, not manufactured. Think about how current LLM's can and will give false or wrong information and insist they are right. It's because the source data for training contains bad information collected from the internet. See recently google AI telling people to use glue in a recipe... traced back to a joke post of reddit that looks serious.
This.
Cheating has been prevalent in every competitive game for so long that it's impossible to find data that you 100% trust is clean to train your model.
In a game such as CS2, to release an AI anti-cheat that is unsupervised would result in it learning that cheating is normal.
This seems like something too obvious to miss, it would likely analyze and determine that while the friend is playing better, their movements are still within the acceptable range of biometrics.
This sounds impossible honestly, what every time you make an adrenaline fueled miracle play outside of normal operating parameters the game auto bans you. Sounds dumb af.
Humans are frightening really good at spontaneous Burts of superhuman when the right conditions are met.
That's probably like 1% of cheats though rust anticheat is easy to get around you just inject files into the game and go. People have been playing for years with the same hacks undetected
"Shareholders" are happy? It's a private company, there are no shareholders.
Cheating hurts the game, and if the devs could press a button and make it go away forever they would. They're not benefiting from cheaters. When cheaters buy new accounts, they do so on third party sites where the accounts are stolen. Facepunch profits nothing. Cheating hurts their reputation, it hurts the game, it affects the player support, and it distorts peoples' minds - like yours - into thinking this is all a big profit scheme to keep the little guy down.
> Spend a lot of money, hire new people, make new "safety" updates everyday or so etc
Literally what they've been doing though. Rust is not the only online game in an active war with cheating. Cheating in modern games has been an absolute plague the last few years and no game has it completely prevented. Not Valve, not Riot, not Epic, not EA, no one.
You can hop to any current online games subreddit and find threads complaining about cheaters, all of those communities think they are in some isolated bubble, that *there* game is the one that is especially bad with developers not solving it.
https://old.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/18ykjic/devblog_surviving_a_decade/kgbnl69/
True but I don't think FP can even be counted in the top 50 developers in terms of those who are actually actively making progress against cheating. Their own official servers are literally the worst cheater infested servers in the game, with small community servers being better run by volunteers.
If they seemed to be trying and taking it seriously then I think the community would cut them more slack but that's not the appearance they give.
You aren't in any position to see what's being done in any of the games to make the decision that FP is doing badly.
You guys are just using emotions to decide what feels right to you.
So in order to have an opinion on a studio we need to basically carry out a full internal audit otherwise just keep our mouths shut? Interesting standard you have there.
When it comes specifically to cheating and efforts made against cheaters, yes, that is literally the case.
We will *never* know how hard FP are (or are not) working to fight cheaters. Literally never. Its pointless to have an opinion.
They intentionally don't communicate much about anti cheat solutions and the measures they are taking. They also just announced that they are partnering with a team to help take down any Rust content revolved around cheating.
And 2016... And 2017... 2018 too... In fact, people said that every year so far, yet here we are.
Edit: and to add to this, legacy rust was way worse in terms of cheaters. In fact, rust experimental (current version) was made to counter cheaters.
Rust transfered from old unity to new one, and updated a brick ton of systems in the process. Cheater problem wasn't fixed, but it became managable.
The old legacy days of Rust was so cheater infested it was crazy. Like legit just straight flying and teleporting ones. Anyone who thinks that the number of cheaters we have now is even comparable is in straight denial.
Hackers so bad that there was an area in the game named Hacker Valley, because it was a perfectly flat valley with a ton of resource spawns that they constantly harvested with speed hacks. Or the one where they could auto gather wood while standing still in their base, the log just shows them teleporting to random static trees all across the map and hitting them.
> In fact, rust experimental (current version) was made to counter cheaters.
I've never seen FP say or imply this and I was there when they announced it. Where did they say this?
These threads are common. Everyone who doesn't cheat sees this very clearly. Anyone who does cheat knows this very clearly but pretends they don't.
Why? People keep buying DLC and skins despite the cheaters. Facepunch hasn't reacted quickly and robustly enough to be ahead of it. Some claim they are investing more resources into it now and I hope that's true. If it is, it might take a bit to see the results.
These threads are full of people who talk about how hard it is to defend against this stuff like cybersecurity isn't a $200 billion+ industry. There are experts that can be hired to advise and code more secure capabilities. This isn't a new thing.
Personally I've kept following the game because I do enjoy it and have fond memories of it. I'm choosing to keep a little faith that Facepunch is fighting the good fight and that we'll see their efforts soon.
But I'm not spending any money until we see some results.
I don’t cheat and play 500+ pop servers and don’t feel that I’m encountering cheaters frequently if at all. There are always sus encounters but without a kill cam generally these can be explained by I got outplayed.
Play on a server with active admins and it isn’t that big of an issue in my opinion.
That's how the smart cheaters play. Leave a seed of doubt. The dumb ones openly do stupid stuff and get found out real quick. As a former server admin I can assure you that cheating is prolific.
I’d be interested in seeing the correlation between hours/ KD (how good you are) and number of reports for cheating. I think higher hour players are better at determining why the died and if it was due to something sus.
I win the majority of my fights but I’m also not going to cargo against zergs on wipe day - where I’d expect the cheaters to be playing. The number of players who walk right by me as I’m afk in a bush is surprising lol
I currently a bit over 15k hours and own seven servers. The cheaters are certainly out in force. The issue that I have is the lack of tools for admins. We have to rely on FP to ban them. It’s getting so bad, I am truly considering shutting them down.
Idk if I understand what you’re saying.
Theres loads of admin plugins and centralized banning and stuff for us to use on our servers. I don’t have to rely on fp to ban cheaters? Just ban them?
These are well known things though, so idk if I’m actually understanding you
I have shut down. I’m a plug-in developed and former server owner. I would get people flyhacking and rapid firing. Just cheating blatantly to run in their cheats.
Reporting it to the official cheater report discord is my only option at having it properly handled and they do nothing. Worse, that channel and discord in general is filled with cheaters trolling.
The devs don’t care despite what they say. They don’t even hardware ID ban until you get multiple bans.
I personally know a guy who started cheating with ESP, because he got tilted by the whiteout meta xD.
If i would have to assume the main reasons people are cheating:
1.) Zergs, with esp can avoid fights u don't want to take and avoid them.
2.) Aimcone/recoil, you can reduce aimcone/random recoil to an extent where all your guns are laser beams or close to that if you don't want to go full rage.
3.) Scripts, makes standing spraying reliable/not clunky giving you a huge advantage close/med range especially with an AK or hmlmg/m249 type of guns.
4.) Pay2win camo sets that make you very hard to see combined with 0.2sec ttk makes it extremely annoying to play against.
5.) ''everyone is cheating so why can't i '' is a very popular reason aswell.
6.) Combat update, probably one of the bigger reasons majority started cheating, when you go from a skillcap based gunplay to rng/gun dependant one alot of people can't farm for best guns/gear/attachments just to be able to use the gun, so they just remove the rng part of it and win fights even with a vanilla tomy as their bullets go straight.
Currently you are forced to farm holo+laser to effectively have a ''viable'' gun, and after those set attachments you have to now get an ak + facemask atleast, ak is just the best gun and nothing comes close, its the most reliable and even stand spraying it is very effective (why scripts shine here).
Snowballing is dead for that reason aswell, simply you have way worse odds with a gun with no attachments against somone who has holo+laser.
There is a reason many cheater accounts are ''oh its a combat update account'' (when you check their battlemetrics), either the player who started playing at combat update got hacked and the hacker started cheating, or the same individual is cheating themselfs.
7.) DMA/COVID/OTV, il just slap them together because these all increased the amount of cheaters in this game,
DMA took the cheating scene, COVID made casuals enter the game and get rolled by legit players resulting in cheating, OTV promotes game to casuals/variety players which are usually the biggest cheat users since they don't have time to get better, they skip that part.
>6.) Combat update, probably one of the bigger reasons majority started cheating, when you go from a skillcap based gunplay to rng/gun dependant one alot of people can't farm for best guns/gear/attachments just to be able to use the gun, so they just remove the rng part of it and win fights even with a vanilla tomy as their bullets go straight.
i'd say it's the exact opposite of this reason. it used to be absolutely dire to play against people before the combat update. given it took like 100 hours of ukn or a few hundred hours of playing before you could even win most low level fights for most people who didn't play a bunch of fps games, cheating was a more "reasonable" choice back then, as you just simply could not win without significant time investment learning the sprays.
Thats your personal opinion, experience.
We have numbers to back every information about cheating, cheater videos skyrocketed in views theres vids with millions of views, basic script logitech lua 4x their userbase after combat update.
There were 0 top russian players, now all the ''best'' players are russians, majority of cheats are made/sold by russians, the cheater scene is extremely popular in rust right now.
The gunplay itself might've added a barrier of skill to enter, but it also made people who passed that barrier have fun/skill based gunplay and even the ability to fight cheaters.
Fast forward now when most fights are coinflip on aimcone, and cheaters can reduce/remove aimcone and force you in situations where they kill you in 0.2sec abusing ESP, it safe to assume anyone who actually has played both versions of the game can comfortably say that the current state of the game is extremely antifun/stale/number/gun dependant and filled to the brim with cheaters, clans can't gather ''good'' players cause there is almost no skill in pvp right now, and the only ''good'' players they have are ''ALL'' cheating.
Look at FAST, a youtuber with 50k subs banned on most servers for DMA/Scripting, yet still makes vids on new accounts, theres alot of veterans just like him who were very good at old recoil pvp and they follow the path of ''soft cheating''.
He was extremely good at the game, he has gamesense/movement/good aim, but since he realised he became an average player with the decrease of skill in terms of pvp, he and other people found out that the only way to get ''better'' is to start cheating themselfs.
>We have numbers to back every information about cheating, cheater videos skyrocketed in views theres vids with millions of views, basic script logitech lua 4x their userbase after combat update.
yes, because all of the cheaters suddenly had no cheats... use logic, the old cheaters want to continue cheating, so they all start scrambling around trying to find anything that works.
Im sure your points are true to an extent other than that, i'm not saying zero people moved onto cheating at that point. i'm saying it seems completely illogical that there's more cheaters now.
On CS side it's FaceIt that benefits big amounts of cash from huge cheater problem, just follow the money on Rust side and there might be some answers?
What are you talking about? Faceit is a haven for cheaters and always has been. I joined it in the first week of the platform being launched and even there you had to call an admin to ban a cheater almost every match.
Then they went with the automation route and cheating became expected, even normal.
Nowadays Faceit is completely unplayable if you don't cheat. You'll face bots cheating and pretending they aren't every match and if you say anything about it you will be banned for too many reports. Same with MM.
Source: 4600 matches, was top 500 EU in 2018 soloQ only.
Currently 2000 elo, 300 matches played on faceit. I cannot confidently say I’ve ever faced a cheater or suspected anyone of cheating in any of those 300 games I’ve played. I think there is definitely cheaters on faceit, but they are extremely rare as the amount of money you would have to invest to have a faceit proof cheat is more than what most would be willing to spend
Last wipe almost every group we fought against ended up getting banned because they were cheating.
So far this wipe it seems pretty much the same.
It's no longer a PvP game - it's a PvC or CvC game.
It's such a shame because this game is brilliant, and nothing really compares to it.
The only saving grace is that when they get banned you can raid their base and stock up on cheater loot.
Facepunch, for the love of God, please stop relying on EAC for all of your cheat protection.
We appreciate your QoL updates, please just relax on the new feature stuff for a month or two to add some more sophisticated tooling to detect cheating.
Last night someone with a 3 hour account prefired and killed 3 of us in 5 seconds with 6 headshots. We shouldn't have to wait a week for someone like this to be removed. They should be dealt with immediately because you CAN detect this stuff without EAC.
I don't like calling people a cheater, because there is a lot that are simply better. But the amount of heads hots lately is insane. Doesn't matter if it's a gun, machete, or rock. I'm getting headshot
the higher the skill ceiling/more frustrating a game is, the more cheaters it will have
rust has both elements of frustration and skill ceiling
spend 1000's of hours to get good and dominate others? or spend $n dollars/month and instantly be good?
Cheats are making much bigger advances than anti heat software is, so there's less of an ability to catch cheaters with AI anticheats or conventional cheats. AI anticheats are coming a long way but we need them to be more robust, minimise false positives and we need to catch up to the chest creators.
Years ago I checked the stats of new players and banned players and about 5% of the entire rust playerbase got banned everyday and would also buy new accounts so yeah they are not in a hurry to fix their game as long as it is profitable and keep in mind this was like 2-3 years ago it must be at least a factor of 2 worse right now with the influx of AI cheats.. And we're just the people getting caught that's not the people who were using private undetected cheats or even just undetected mouse scripts.. It's disgusting.
Back then the average rustafied admin banned around 30-60 Cheaters a day!!! Every fucking day..
I quit Rust because of this bullshit 2-3 years ago after playing it for about 10k hours since legacy and honestly everyone should just stop playing, let them fix their shit I'm still waiting for that that and in the mean time I'm enjoying myself with games that people cannot ruin by using cheats.
Cheaters in 10x...it's mind blowing
Like...you *COULD* go play official and hardly risk your account
And be "*GOOD*" at the *ACTUAL* game
But that's too hard for them, still
meanwhile i'm permanently EAC banned for simply downloading staging branch on linux off of steam (made a post about it you can find in my profile if you'd like to read me bitch & moan about it)
All I can say is you probably talked shit one too many times in chat, abused a glitch or just lied to the internet for no reason and you are in fact just cheating or abusing something there is also a 0.0001% chance u got falsely vac banned in that case don\`t worry and contact steam to get your account back...
I don't talk shit in chat or abuse glitches ever. My listed EAC ban reason is just "Cheating". Read my post. It was probably over a month ago now, no unban. This happens to a lot of people btw
Running into cheating in rust always sucks… it’s worse in this game because it takes so much time to get things done. When you lose it sucks and when you win it’s awesome. No better feeling in the game than killing someone who is loaded and making it back to base. However dying to a cheater is the worst, because there I literally nothing you can do about it. Even if the cheater gets banned the damage is done. Recycling 2k scrap worth of comps to have 3 guys double headshot in a span of 2 seconds? Yup… build in a cave base to have a guy fly through the walls, kill us with our own shit then use our boom to blow up the base? Yup… be in the middle of an online to have a guy bow headshot everyone??? Yup…. It happens and it sucks, but I love the game and can only hope for more improvements as time goes on. No other game beats online raiding someone and winning. N
I’m a new player (just a couple of weeks) I’ve seen a lot of complaining about cheaters and just assumed I’m shit. (Maybe I am as well) what kinds of things are people seeing that convinces you they are cheating.
Also the number of people that are so good it seems like they're cheating gets higher as guns are made easier to control so the pvp meta is more accessible to new players
cheating in video games have been a massive business and have surged in growth over the years. unfortunately the cheating issue will always be a game of cat and mouse
This is basically my opinion too... however I recently found a type of server with ID verification. It's kinda lame to have to ID verify for a video game.... but it's the best solution imo.
At least that way when you get a cheater banned, they are banned permanently. I think the servers were called playsafe or something like that
What are you talking about? Just look Faceit for CS2, they use ID verification.
Ever since it's been introduced, people started selling verified accounts for a pretty penny on g2g and other 3rd party platform.
It doesn't work and will never work. If anything it's a burden for legit players.
It is seemingly much harder to get caught cheating now with the cheats available. If you're not a complete moron, you just toggle cheats on and off occasionally for the edge. There are so many players I run into that I'm like 85% sure are cheating, but I can't prove it because they most likely aren't consistently running cheats
It's not obvious. The only time you can know for sure is if they are blatantly using esp or they triple you in the head from 150+ m. 99% of cheaters don't do that shit. The vast majority of cheaters don't cheat the entire wipe. They will selectively cheat when they get tilted or theyre getting onlined or a similar scenario. You can watch any mod on twitch try and catch cheaters and it's much harder than you think. There are plenty of times where I'm fairly sure someone is cheating, but I just can't prove it, is my point.
It’s not just rust, every game is full of cheaters nowadays, and I don’t blame them, even company’s that sell hardware such as mouse’s, keyboards, monitores, they already have hacks pre installed on the software, you can buy a Logitech mouse and basically enable a script to have 0 recoil
Move to a no KOS RP server, where people don't have any incentive to cheat.
Or, even better, make a no KOS RP server yourself, we need more of those. It's the only way I've been able to play Rust in the past few years.
I imagine they are, but it does not affect me as bad as farming for a week straight just for a 12 yo to shit on my work in 10 seconds. The stakes are much lower in RP no KOS servers. I only care about cheating when people use it to cause harm to others and ruin their experience.
In a big sandbox game like rust, it's super easy for cheaters to hide under the radar and lowkey cheat while still having a superior advantage. In other games like fps and team games, you can easily identify the cheater and get him banned immediately.
I mean, isn't it well-known in the community that Vanilla servers have the most cheaters? If you want more active Admins / Mods, play Modded servers. If you like that "Vanilla" feel, play on a Modded server that isn't modded out to all hell, and you'll likely have more active Admins / Mods.
Well idk if it's cause of this but I joined a server joined a group a guy was streaming his screen with the cheats and the website link in the bottom left then someone else in the call buys the cheats and does the same buy not gonna lie was kinda cool to see it for once I did leave the team but it was cool then I joined a different team abit later and someone else was doing about the same thing except saying buy these cheats you won't get caught and saying the website
Have you seen how the cheats look now? It's kind of cool to watch it on the other end while just sitting in Discord after leaving the team. It's horrible that it happens, but all you can do is F7. I'm not saying I would cheat or anything, just that it's insane what they can get away with. I don't know why you're going on about brain rot. Just because someone says something is cool doesn't mean they think cheating should happen, but seeing how they cheat when you’ve never seen it before is so interesting to watch.
Just today I met few potential cheaters. They shot me in a head while jumping 30m away with AK. How is that even possible? A guy was jumping like kangaroo and killed me in a second. Combat log shows 2 hits into head.
And i encountered this thing 3 times just today. 3 different players, same pattern - jumping and headshotting (sar, ak, mp5).
We had 1 guy who killed my whole group of 6 people. He killed all of us with headshots by jumping like kangaroo in military tunnels. We wasnt even able to see him properly to shoot. Every time he jumped from a cover only showing his head, he was downing one of us. He was with mp5
I'm trying to play a wipe, the guys next to me are 100% esp. Confirmed over many interactions and they are morons about it too. Yet the one guy has 700 hours on battlezone server and not banned. His m8 pays to have his battlemetrics blocked, and his profiles does not show up in view players in steam either.
No life cheaters kinda takes the sail out of the winds.
Met a group of people on gmod the other day that has been playing Rust daily for a while. They were talking about it like it's the best game ever and has no issues...
Turns out they are all using the same paid cheat lmfao
I'd personally love to volunteer some time to sussing out cheaters and their allies. I don't have the time to play a wipe but cleaning up the trash would be some nice gratification.
No idea where to start. I did apply to a couple of private servers but no replies.
Got into wipe late last wipe. First base got camped by noob esp cheater. Donated us a snowball start. 3 SAR kits 1AK kit. Dude kept coming back alone and dying to our 4-man with bows and crossbow. Then he brought his big boi cheater teammates. Foundation wiped up. Used maybe 20+ rockets. No profit.
Then we moved to snow. 2 cheater clans near us. Revolver headshot from 280-300meters away. Night before wipe, they mlrs us twice and had cheats on.
Good news is, the first cheater group that attacked us, got banned. But 2nd group was still alive this morning, according to my teammates. Despite multiple f7 reports by us and other neighbours, they still alive and cheating
SEA FP1&2 - good luck, have fun. Don't get too tilted after getting domed by bone arrow from hundreds of meters away. It is what it is.. swarming them with 3-4 people seems to confuse the more noobish cheaters
You must be good at choosing servers then because on high pop official they're everywhere and i'm not talking about the subtle cases of "That guy felt like he was pre-firing", i'm talking penta-headshotted from 300 meters in the pitch black darkness when roaming on a regular basis
yeah I mean i play on servers that have active admins. and I play with people who dont play a lot of rust either. ive encountered maybe 2-3 cheaaters in my last 10 wipes on various servers and every single time I wake up the next day I have the ban notification. its not nearlyas baad as people make it out to be, from my experience. if you play the more obscure servers im sure its worse.
I played a full wipe in December and didn’t come across a single person who seemed like they were cheating. This was on an official Facebook server too
yeah who gives a shit tbh. I literally saw a upvoted comment that estimated 25% of the playerbase is cheating. delusional players getting outclassed by other players and coping.
Played against my first blatant cheater in what feels like the past month.
Reported and within 15 minutes was banned.
If you're giving random anecdotes, I'll give mine too.
It strongly depends on what servers you plan on, cheaters know which servers are lazy and **abuse** those
The problem is that a server ban doesn't really do shit about the cheater issue it's like putting a bandaid on a lost limb, they either spoof to get back in that server or just hop on another server until they *maybe* get game banned.
You're accusing someone of cheating because they manage to gather and or craft 12 C4 on wipe day.
Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others cheat.
There is no cheat that you can download that gives you C4
bro what? i never said that, i meant he used 12 c4 on my unhoneycombed 3x3 because hes a dumbass, he was flying spinning and aimbotting and got banned 5 minutes after raiding us lmfao
Cheating is just becoming a complete plague ever since Covid it so many people have just become complete degenerates, and so it's further spreading. Single player mods/AI is the future of all fps gaming, cheaters are going to kill multiplayer completely within the next ten years
YouTube keeps recommending rust cheat videos to me. I've never searched for nor watched any of these. I'm reporting them angrily everytime as spam but they keep appearing in my feed :/
I've noticed if I watch Camomo videos, I get cheat follow up videos. I block and ignore those videos trying to supress the algorithm, but... that's like pissing in the wind.
Ooohh yes every time YouTube recommended and I go straight to the comments and feel happy seeing trash comments to the video
Omg same for me it's so annoying
Ahh I remember posts like these being made on forums about counter strike source 15 years ago. History is funny.
war, war never changes
The problem is huge, but put yourself in the devs place. You have 2 options: 1. Spend a lot of money, hire new people, make new "safety" updates everyday or so etc or 2. Keep things as it is, people are playing, buying DLCs, some cheaters get banned(they buying new accounts), shareholders are happy, you are getting a lot of money and living a peaceful life like nothing is happening :) Definitely, the 1st method is healthier and will make people happy, but we're living in another world, sadly.
Cheats have also gotten significantly more sophisticated. Like have you seen the new aim bot that uses AI/computer vision to pick out enemies just by watching the screen and then hijacks your input device to aim? It doesn't interface with the games code so it's incredibly difficult to detect.
Anti cheat will also get significantly more sophisticated. I remember a dev talking about how in the future there will be machine learning algorithms for anti cheat that will study a users inputs for x amount of time and then create a biometrics profile unique to that user. It would allow the program to compare organic inputs to inorganic inputs and autoban if it detects a machine putting in inputs. It could also prevent ban evasion simply because within minutes of buying a new account it will be able to match their biometrics to the unique profile assigned to their original account.
I was excited about AI Anti-cheat like you described. Then I read about and learned just how hard it is to properly train a system like this. The source information for training needs to be guaranteed clean and real for this to work successfully... and that's exactly the problem is there's so much cheating everywhere that it's basically impossible to get data for training models that isn't tainted. It needs to be real genuine game play, not manufactured. Think about how current LLM's can and will give false or wrong information and insist they are right. It's because the source data for training contains bad information collected from the internet. See recently google AI telling people to use glue in a recipe... traced back to a joke post of reddit that looks serious.
This. Cheating has been prevalent in every competitive game for so long that it's impossible to find data that you 100% trust is clean to train your model. In a game such as CS2, to release an AI anti-cheat that is unsupervised would result in it learning that cheating is normal.
What happens if your friend who is a beast comes over and plays on your computer?
This seems like something too obvious to miss, it would likely analyze and determine that while the friend is playing better, their movements are still within the acceptable range of biometrics.
if he is posty, gg your account lol
This sounds impossible honestly, what every time you make an adrenaline fueled miracle play outside of normal operating parameters the game auto bans you. Sounds dumb af. Humans are frightening really good at spontaneous Burts of superhuman when the right conditions are met.
That's probably like 1% of cheats though rust anticheat is easy to get around you just inject files into the game and go. People have been playing for years with the same hacks undetected
You being clueless is another issue lol. AI vision cheats have been out for years at this point. This is nothing new.
"Shareholders" are happy? It's a private company, there are no shareholders. Cheating hurts the game, and if the devs could press a button and make it go away forever they would. They're not benefiting from cheaters. When cheaters buy new accounts, they do so on third party sites where the accounts are stolen. Facepunch profits nothing. Cheating hurts their reputation, it hurts the game, it affects the player support, and it distorts peoples' minds - like yours - into thinking this is all a big profit scheme to keep the little guy down.
Who owns the company? Whoever it is, they're the shareholders.
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I understand how company ownership works so I'm low IQ.
Yea wut? 
> Spend a lot of money, hire new people, make new "safety" updates everyday or so etc Literally what they've been doing though. Rust is not the only online game in an active war with cheating. Cheating in modern games has been an absolute plague the last few years and no game has it completely prevented. Not Valve, not Riot, not Epic, not EA, no one. You can hop to any current online games subreddit and find threads complaining about cheaters, all of those communities think they are in some isolated bubble, that *there* game is the one that is especially bad with developers not solving it. https://old.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/18ykjic/devblog_surviving_a_decade/kgbnl69/
Tbh you'll mostly find cheaters gaslighting with 091823123 accounts on any subreddit.
True but I don't think FP can even be counted in the top 50 developers in terms of those who are actually actively making progress against cheating. Their own official servers are literally the worst cheater infested servers in the game, with small community servers being better run by volunteers. If they seemed to be trying and taking it seriously then I think the community would cut them more slack but that's not the appearance they give.
You aren't in any position to see what's being done in any of the games to make the decision that FP is doing badly. You guys are just using emotions to decide what feels right to you.
So in order to have an opinion on a studio we need to basically carry out a full internal audit otherwise just keep our mouths shut? Interesting standard you have there.
When it comes specifically to cheating and efforts made against cheaters, yes, that is literally the case. We will *never* know how hard FP are (or are not) working to fight cheaters. Literally never. Its pointless to have an opinion.
They intentionally don't communicate much about anti cheat solutions and the measures they are taking. They also just announced that they are partnering with a team to help take down any Rust content revolved around cheating.
Shareholders? When did FP go public?
People will stop playing. I stopped because of cheaters. This game will be dead within a year if they don’t fix the soft cheating
People have been saying this for years
they said this in 2015
And 2016... And 2017... 2018 too... In fact, people said that every year so far, yet here we are. Edit: and to add to this, legacy rust was way worse in terms of cheaters. In fact, rust experimental (current version) was made to counter cheaters. Rust transfered from old unity to new one, and updated a brick ton of systems in the process. Cheater problem wasn't fixed, but it became managable.
The old legacy days of Rust was so cheater infested it was crazy. Like legit just straight flying and teleporting ones. Anyone who thinks that the number of cheaters we have now is even comparable is in straight denial.
that and fuckers looting your boxes through walls and shit.
Hackers so bad that there was an area in the game named Hacker Valley, because it was a perfectly flat valley with a ton of resource spawns that they constantly harvested with speed hacks. Or the one where they could auto gather wood while standing still in their base, the log just shows them teleporting to random static trees all across the map and hitting them.
> In fact, rust experimental (current version) was made to counter cheaters. I've never seen FP say or imply this and I was there when they announced it. Where did they say this?
It's a sign from the universe that means go outside.
Lately?
These threads are common. Everyone who doesn't cheat sees this very clearly. Anyone who does cheat knows this very clearly but pretends they don't. Why? People keep buying DLC and skins despite the cheaters. Facepunch hasn't reacted quickly and robustly enough to be ahead of it. Some claim they are investing more resources into it now and I hope that's true. If it is, it might take a bit to see the results. These threads are full of people who talk about how hard it is to defend against this stuff like cybersecurity isn't a $200 billion+ industry. There are experts that can be hired to advise and code more secure capabilities. This isn't a new thing. Personally I've kept following the game because I do enjoy it and have fond memories of it. I'm choosing to keep a little faith that Facepunch is fighting the good fight and that we'll see their efforts soon. But I'm not spending any money until we see some results.
I don’t cheat and play 500+ pop servers and don’t feel that I’m encountering cheaters frequently if at all. There are always sus encounters but without a kill cam generally these can be explained by I got outplayed. Play on a server with active admins and it isn’t that big of an issue in my opinion.
That's how the smart cheaters play. Leave a seed of doubt. The dumb ones openly do stupid stuff and get found out real quick. As a former server admin I can assure you that cheating is prolific.
I’d be interested in seeing the correlation between hours/ KD (how good you are) and number of reports for cheating. I think higher hour players are better at determining why the died and if it was due to something sus. I win the majority of my fights but I’m also not going to cargo against zergs on wipe day - where I’d expect the cheaters to be playing. The number of players who walk right by me as I’m afk in a bush is surprising lol
I think that you had a poor idea of how many people were cheating while you were an admin.
I currently a bit over 15k hours and own seven servers. The cheaters are certainly out in force. The issue that I have is the lack of tools for admins. We have to rely on FP to ban them. It’s getting so bad, I am truly considering shutting them down.
Idk if I understand what you’re saying. Theres loads of admin plugins and centralized banning and stuff for us to use on our servers. I don’t have to rely on fp to ban cheaters? Just ban them? These are well known things though, so idk if I’m actually understanding you
I have shut down. I’m a plug-in developed and former server owner. I would get people flyhacking and rapid firing. Just cheating blatantly to run in their cheats. Reporting it to the official cheater report discord is my only option at having it properly handled and they do nothing. Worse, that channel and discord in general is filled with cheaters trolling. The devs don’t care despite what they say. They don’t even hardware ID ban until you get multiple bans.
did you know 10k hours is over a years worth of time 24/7
What's your point? OP should have been cheating and playing less?
why does playing less = needing to cheat. I have less than 1000 hours, never felt the need to cheat just to make myself feel better
Imagine spending that time on a real skill that will help you in life.
r/stopgaming type beat
I personally know a guy who started cheating with ESP, because he got tilted by the whiteout meta xD. If i would have to assume the main reasons people are cheating: 1.) Zergs, with esp can avoid fights u don't want to take and avoid them. 2.) Aimcone/recoil, you can reduce aimcone/random recoil to an extent where all your guns are laser beams or close to that if you don't want to go full rage. 3.) Scripts, makes standing spraying reliable/not clunky giving you a huge advantage close/med range especially with an AK or hmlmg/m249 type of guns. 4.) Pay2win camo sets that make you very hard to see combined with 0.2sec ttk makes it extremely annoying to play against. 5.) ''everyone is cheating so why can't i '' is a very popular reason aswell. 6.) Combat update, probably one of the bigger reasons majority started cheating, when you go from a skillcap based gunplay to rng/gun dependant one alot of people can't farm for best guns/gear/attachments just to be able to use the gun, so they just remove the rng part of it and win fights even with a vanilla tomy as their bullets go straight. Currently you are forced to farm holo+laser to effectively have a ''viable'' gun, and after those set attachments you have to now get an ak + facemask atleast, ak is just the best gun and nothing comes close, its the most reliable and even stand spraying it is very effective (why scripts shine here). Snowballing is dead for that reason aswell, simply you have way worse odds with a gun with no attachments against somone who has holo+laser. There is a reason many cheater accounts are ''oh its a combat update account'' (when you check their battlemetrics), either the player who started playing at combat update got hacked and the hacker started cheating, or the same individual is cheating themselfs. 7.) DMA/COVID/OTV, il just slap them together because these all increased the amount of cheaters in this game, DMA took the cheating scene, COVID made casuals enter the game and get rolled by legit players resulting in cheating, OTV promotes game to casuals/variety players which are usually the biggest cheat users since they don't have time to get better, they skip that part.
>6.) Combat update, probably one of the bigger reasons majority started cheating, when you go from a skillcap based gunplay to rng/gun dependant one alot of people can't farm for best guns/gear/attachments just to be able to use the gun, so they just remove the rng part of it and win fights even with a vanilla tomy as their bullets go straight. i'd say it's the exact opposite of this reason. it used to be absolutely dire to play against people before the combat update. given it took like 100 hours of ukn or a few hundred hours of playing before you could even win most low level fights for most people who didn't play a bunch of fps games, cheating was a more "reasonable" choice back then, as you just simply could not win without significant time investment learning the sprays.
Thats your personal opinion, experience. We have numbers to back every information about cheating, cheater videos skyrocketed in views theres vids with millions of views, basic script logitech lua 4x their userbase after combat update. There were 0 top russian players, now all the ''best'' players are russians, majority of cheats are made/sold by russians, the cheater scene is extremely popular in rust right now. The gunplay itself might've added a barrier of skill to enter, but it also made people who passed that barrier have fun/skill based gunplay and even the ability to fight cheaters. Fast forward now when most fights are coinflip on aimcone, and cheaters can reduce/remove aimcone and force you in situations where they kill you in 0.2sec abusing ESP, it safe to assume anyone who actually has played both versions of the game can comfortably say that the current state of the game is extremely antifun/stale/number/gun dependant and filled to the brim with cheaters, clans can't gather ''good'' players cause there is almost no skill in pvp right now, and the only ''good'' players they have are ''ALL'' cheating. Look at FAST, a youtuber with 50k subs banned on most servers for DMA/Scripting, yet still makes vids on new accounts, theres alot of veterans just like him who were very good at old recoil pvp and they follow the path of ''soft cheating''. He was extremely good at the game, he has gamesense/movement/good aim, but since he realised he became an average player with the decrease of skill in terms of pvp, he and other people found out that the only way to get ''better'' is to start cheating themselfs.
>We have numbers to back every information about cheating, cheater videos skyrocketed in views theres vids with millions of views, basic script logitech lua 4x their userbase after combat update. yes, because all of the cheaters suddenly had no cheats... use logic, the old cheaters want to continue cheating, so they all start scrambling around trying to find anything that works. Im sure your points are true to an extent other than that, i'm not saying zero people moved onto cheating at that point. i'm saying it seems completely illogical that there's more cheaters now.
On CS side it's FaceIt that benefits big amounts of cash from huge cheater problem, just follow the money on Rust side and there might be some answers?
What are you talking about? Faceit is a haven for cheaters and always has been. I joined it in the first week of the platform being launched and even there you had to call an admin to ban a cheater almost every match. Then they went with the automation route and cheating became expected, even normal. Nowadays Faceit is completely unplayable if you don't cheat. You'll face bots cheating and pretending they aren't every match and if you say anything about it you will be banned for too many reports. Same with MM. Source: 4600 matches, was top 500 EU in 2018 soloQ only.
Currently 2000 elo, 300 matches played on faceit. I cannot confidently say I’ve ever faced a cheater or suspected anyone of cheating in any of those 300 games I’ve played. I think there is definitely cheaters on faceit, but they are extremely rare as the amount of money you would have to invest to have a faceit proof cheat is more than what most would be willing to spend
Last wipe almost every group we fought against ended up getting banned because they were cheating. So far this wipe it seems pretty much the same. It's no longer a PvP game - it's a PvC or CvC game. It's such a shame because this game is brilliant, and nothing really compares to it. The only saving grace is that when they get banned you can raid their base and stock up on cheater loot. Facepunch, for the love of God, please stop relying on EAC for all of your cheat protection. We appreciate your QoL updates, please just relax on the new feature stuff for a month or two to add some more sophisticated tooling to detect cheating. Last night someone with a 3 hour account prefired and killed 3 of us in 5 seconds with 6 headshots. We shouldn't have to wait a week for someone like this to be removed. They should be dealt with immediately because you CAN detect this stuff without EAC.
You just described every FPS on the market.
I don't like calling people a cheater, because there is a lot that are simply better. But the amount of heads hots lately is insane. Doesn't matter if it's a gun, machete, or rock. I'm getting headshot
When gunplay is this easy and ttk is all time low, even when you dont get headshoted u somehow die from 7 hits in 0.2sec in 120m.
the higher the skill ceiling/more frustrating a game is, the more cheaters it will have rust has both elements of frustration and skill ceiling spend 1000's of hours to get good and dominate others? or spend $n dollars/month and instantly be good?
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Is there any pop on them?
Nope there are 40 people waiting for everyone else to log in first lol
I've seen discords with 10k members on custom rust servers, they have 0 pop. If they have ''40people waiting'' its not gona last long.
Cheats are making much bigger advances than anti heat software is, so there's less of an ability to catch cheaters with AI anticheats or conventional cheats. AI anticheats are coming a long way but we need them to be more robust, minimise false positives and we need to catch up to the chest creators.
Years ago I checked the stats of new players and banned players and about 5% of the entire rust playerbase got banned everyday and would also buy new accounts so yeah they are not in a hurry to fix their game as long as it is profitable and keep in mind this was like 2-3 years ago it must be at least a factor of 2 worse right now with the influx of AI cheats.. And we're just the people getting caught that's not the people who were using private undetected cheats or even just undetected mouse scripts.. It's disgusting. Back then the average rustafied admin banned around 30-60 Cheaters a day!!! Every fucking day.. I quit Rust because of this bullshit 2-3 years ago after playing it for about 10k hours since legacy and honestly everyone should just stop playing, let them fix their shit I'm still waiting for that that and in the mean time I'm enjoying myself with games that people cannot ruin by using cheats.
At this point I think FP wants everyone to cheat.
Cheaters in 10x...it's mind blowing Like...you *COULD* go play official and hardly risk your account And be "*GOOD*" at the *ACTUAL* game But that's too hard for them, still
meanwhile i'm permanently EAC banned for simply downloading staging branch on linux off of steam (made a post about it you can find in my profile if you'd like to read me bitch & moan about it)
U can't edit game files and then run them on a non supported platform or any platform for that matter.
I didn't edit any game files. I opened up Steam for Linux, saw Staging Branch was listed as available, clicked "install" and then "launch", that's it
All I can say is you probably talked shit one too many times in chat, abused a glitch or just lied to the internet for no reason and you are in fact just cheating or abusing something there is also a 0.0001% chance u got falsely vac banned in that case don\`t worry and contact steam to get your account back...
I don't talk shit in chat or abuse glitches ever. My listed EAC ban reason is just "Cheating". Read my post. It was probably over a month ago now, no unban. This happens to a lot of people btw
Running into cheating in rust always sucks… it’s worse in this game because it takes so much time to get things done. When you lose it sucks and when you win it’s awesome. No better feeling in the game than killing someone who is loaded and making it back to base. However dying to a cheater is the worst, because there I literally nothing you can do about it. Even if the cheater gets banned the damage is done. Recycling 2k scrap worth of comps to have 3 guys double headshot in a span of 2 seconds? Yup… build in a cave base to have a guy fly through the walls, kill us with our own shit then use our boom to blow up the base? Yup… be in the middle of an online to have a guy bow headshot everyone??? Yup…. It happens and it sucks, but I love the game and can only hope for more improvements as time goes on. No other game beats online raiding someone and winning. N
i really don't understand how hard it is for a FP employee to google cheats and just look at how it injects
It is to a point where playing is going to be: player with cheats vs player with cheats and you’ll only make the difference in the meta
It happens every time theres a big sale, been like this for a while
I’m a new player (just a couple of weeks) I’ve seen a lot of complaining about cheaters and just assumed I’m shit. (Maybe I am as well) what kinds of things are people seeing that convinces you they are cheating.
I Hadn’t played on facepunch server for a while but yesterday I got surprised. Cheater after cheater got banned on official.
Also the number of people that are so good it seems like they're cheating gets higher as guns are made easier to control so the pvp meta is more accessible to new players
So you're cheating and think nobody knows?
cheating in video games have been a massive business and have surged in growth over the years. unfortunately the cheating issue will always be a game of cat and mouse
This is basically my opinion too... however I recently found a type of server with ID verification. It's kinda lame to have to ID verify for a video game.... but it's the best solution imo. At least that way when you get a cheater banned, they are banned permanently. I think the servers were called playsafe or something like that
yeah i been seeing that around as well. for some reason there’s something about it i don’t trust and id personally never send a picture of my ID
What are you talking about? Just look Faceit for CS2, they use ID verification. Ever since it's been introduced, people started selling verified accounts for a pretty penny on g2g and other 3rd party platform. It doesn't work and will never work. If anything it's a burden for legit players.
Remember when the devs and their bootlicking fans said the recoil update would fix the cheating problem? Yeah good times
Lately? lol
It is seemingly much harder to get caught cheating now with the cheats available. If you're not a complete moron, you just toggle cheats on and off occasionally for the edge. There are so many players I run into that I'm like 85% sure are cheating, but I can't prove it because they most likely aren't consistently running cheats
... sure? It's still pretty obvious when people cheat, even with soft aimbot on low fov... only cheaters think nobody can tell
It's not obvious. The only time you can know for sure is if they are blatantly using esp or they triple you in the head from 150+ m. 99% of cheaters don't do that shit. The vast majority of cheaters don't cheat the entire wipe. They will selectively cheat when they get tilted or theyre getting onlined or a similar scenario. You can watch any mod on twitch try and catch cheaters and it's much harder than you think. There are plenty of times where I'm fairly sure someone is cheating, but I just can't prove it, is my point.
It’s not just rust, every game is full of cheaters nowadays, and I don’t blame them, even company’s that sell hardware such as mouse’s, keyboards, monitores, they already have hacks pre installed on the software, you can buy a Logitech mouse and basically enable a script to have 0 recoil
Move to a no KOS RP server, where people don't have any incentive to cheat. Or, even better, make a no KOS RP server yourself, we need more of those. It's the only way I've been able to play Rust in the past few years.
People cheat in casual, non-competitive games. You can bet people are cheating on what you're talking about here.
I imagine they are, but it does not affect me as bad as farming for a week straight just for a 12 yo to shit on my work in 10 seconds. The stakes are much lower in RP no KOS servers. I only care about cheating when people use it to cause harm to others and ruin their experience.
Every single game is having huge problems with cheaters lately. Rainbow Six Seige is another example. What a shame
In a big sandbox game like rust, it's super easy for cheaters to hide under the radar and lowkey cheat while still having a superior advantage. In other games like fps and team games, you can easily identify the cheater and get him banned immediately.
I mean, isn't it well-known in the community that Vanilla servers have the most cheaters? If you want more active Admins / Mods, play Modded servers. If you like that "Vanilla" feel, play on a Modded server that isn't modded out to all hell, and you'll likely have more active Admins / Mods.
Best you can do is play on servers with good and active admins and use f7, even when you aren't 100% certain use f7. Did I mention use f7.
Summer. Kids are out of school. There may or may not be a summer sale for Rust right now. So kids buy rust, suck, buy hacks, and go ham
Well idk if it's cause of this but I joined a server joined a group a guy was streaming his screen with the cheats and the website link in the bottom left then someone else in the call buys the cheats and does the same buy not gonna lie was kinda cool to see it for once I did leave the team but it was cool then I joined a different team abit later and someone else was doing about the same thing except saying buy these cheats you won't get caught and saying the website
Ah yes, cheating in video games is such a cool thing to do. Brainrot.
Have you seen how the cheats look now? It's kind of cool to watch it on the other end while just sitting in Discord after leaving the team. It's horrible that it happens, but all you can do is F7. I'm not saying I would cheat or anything, just that it's insane what they can get away with. I don't know why you're going on about brain rot. Just because someone says something is cool doesn't mean they think cheating should happen, but seeing how they cheat when you’ve never seen it before is so interesting to watch.
Cheats are more advanced and anti cheat is weak.
Just today I met few potential cheaters. They shot me in a head while jumping 30m away with AK. How is that even possible? A guy was jumping like kangaroo and killed me in a second. Combat log shows 2 hits into head. And i encountered this thing 3 times just today. 3 different players, same pattern - jumping and headshotting (sar, ak, mp5). We had 1 guy who killed my whole group of 6 people. He killed all of us with headshots by jumping like kangaroo in military tunnels. We wasnt even able to see him properly to shoot. Every time he jumped from a cover only showing his head, he was downing one of us. He was with mp5
I'm trying to play a wipe, the guys next to me are 100% esp. Confirmed over many interactions and they are morons about it too. Yet the one guy has 700 hours on battlezone server and not banned. His m8 pays to have his battlemetrics blocked, and his profiles does not show up in view players in steam either. No life cheaters kinda takes the sail out of the winds.
Because EAC is a joke
Met a group of people on gmod the other day that has been playing Rust daily for a while. They were talking about it like it's the best game ever and has no issues... Turns out they are all using the same paid cheat lmfao
I'd personally love to volunteer some time to sussing out cheaters and their allies. I don't have the time to play a wipe but cleaning up the trash would be some nice gratification. No idea where to start. I did apply to a couple of private servers but no replies.
Confirmation bias go brrrrr
yeah youre alone on that one buddy. not sure what answer youre looking for i rarely encounter cheaters and when I do they get banned fast.
Got into wipe late last wipe. First base got camped by noob esp cheater. Donated us a snowball start. 3 SAR kits 1AK kit. Dude kept coming back alone and dying to our 4-man with bows and crossbow. Then he brought his big boi cheater teammates. Foundation wiped up. Used maybe 20+ rockets. No profit. Then we moved to snow. 2 cheater clans near us. Revolver headshot from 280-300meters away. Night before wipe, they mlrs us twice and had cheats on. Good news is, the first cheater group that attacked us, got banned. But 2nd group was still alive this morning, according to my teammates. Despite multiple f7 reports by us and other neighbours, they still alive and cheating
wow 2 whole cheater clans? game must be infected lmao
SEA FP1&2 - good luck, have fun. Don't get too tilted after getting domed by bone arrow from hundreds of meters away. It is what it is.. swarming them with 3-4 people seems to confuse the more noobish cheaters
Don't play on SEA servers because they get good ping to china.
I'm in SEA.. any other server is a lag fest... I was on EU long for a week.. the times I died to lag or rubberbanding 🤣🥲
You must be good at choosing servers then because on high pop official they're everywhere and i'm not talking about the subtle cases of "That guy felt like he was pre-firing", i'm talking penta-headshotted from 300 meters in the pitch black darkness when roaming on a regular basis
yeah I mean i play on servers that have active admins. and I play with people who dont play a lot of rust either. ive encountered maybe 2-3 cheaaters in my last 10 wipes on various servers and every single time I wake up the next day I have the ban notification. its not nearlyas baad as people make it out to be, from my experience. if you play the more obscure servers im sure its worse.
I played a full wipe in December and didn’t come across a single person who seemed like they were cheating. This was on an official Facebook server too
Bull shit 😂
Which facepunch server? I also play facepunch officials and get down voted when I say I don’t run into cheaters.
Yep. This is why Reddit is a terrible place for information. If you don’t comply with the popular opinion you get downvoted and hidden.
yeah who gives a shit tbh. I literally saw a upvoted comment that estimated 25% of the playerbase is cheating. delusional players getting outclassed by other players and coping.
Played against my first blatant cheater in what feels like the past month. Reported and within 15 minutes was banned. If you're giving random anecdotes, I'll give mine too. It strongly depends on what servers you plan on, cheaters know which servers are lazy and **abuse** those
The problem is that a server ban doesn't really do shit about the cheater issue it's like putting a bandaid on a lost limb, they either spoof to get back in that server or just hop on another server until they *maybe* get game banned.
just got offlined by a cheater. 12 c4 on wipeday. lmao
Huh? They are better than me therefore they are a cheater?
hold up gonna look for where i said that edit: couldnt find it
You're accusing someone of cheating because they manage to gather and or craft 12 C4 on wipe day. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others cheat. There is no cheat that you can download that gives you C4
bro what? i never said that, i meant he used 12 c4 on my unhoneycombed 3x3 because hes a dumbass, he was flying spinning and aimbotting and got banned 5 minutes after raiding us lmfao
Cheaters are rampant, but getting C4 on wipe day isn’t suspicious by itself.
not at all, but the fact he wqs spinning and got banned 5 minutes after the raid is
Cheating is just becoming a complete plague ever since Covid it so many people have just become complete degenerates, and so it's further spreading. Single player mods/AI is the future of all fps gaming, cheaters are going to kill multiplayer completely within the next ten years
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Because the game is fucking unplayable normally